Glutton for punishment
Donke...@webtv.net
accused of being a misogynist. I'll take my chances, I guess.
It seems to me, that women don't get lonely in the
same way men do. When I say that I'm lonely, I mean that I feel a
desperate need to find a female companion. I just want to find that
special person (the whole person, and nothing but the person). I don't
have any big plans in mind, or anything. I get the idea that women don't
feel the same way. It seems as if most of them aren't looking for a man,
just to have the man himself. It's as if he's a means to an end. They
have this "life plan", and if a man happens to be a part of that, fine;
if not, fine. I don't need a nice house, or a nice car, or any of that
materialistic crap. I just want to get by, and have someone to share my
life with. A lot of people say that men are practical, and women are
emotional, but I think they've got it backwards. I'm a very passionate
and impulsive person (and a little bit foolish, at times). I'm not a
very practical person, and I'm glad. What does PRACTICALITY have to do
with LOVE, anyway? (I'm sure that someone will tell me!)
If any of you want to disagree with me, go ahead. Just don't call me
a woman-hater or a misogynist. For one thing, it's not true. For another
thing, I'm not saying that all women are like this. It just seems to me,
that a lot of women are. I don't have any scientific proof, or anything.
It's just how things SEEM to me.
Elsie Bell
a man who feels likewise about women. People will suspect there's a good reason
and take her word for it, that she has been at some point badly treated.
i think men are expected to be too grown up, able to be depended on.
women rarely get accused of mysogyny, and their words are interpreted
differently
and I think women generally are expected to be too vulnerable
A lot of unnecessary pressure is exerted either way.
I'm glad I'm a woman though
this is just an observation
I don't think all men should be constantly vulnerable and child-like, weak etc
and I don't think all women should be tough and self-sufficient
I think we should just learn what being ourselves entails
Eleonore Beaudoin
In the last days, nothing reached me nowhere, nothign felt
like replying to...I think it has to do with somethign in me
being in the making and not the posts themselves,
but I welcome this post as it happens to be the one that
makes me reply, and gets me off apathy...At least for a moment.
The subject you are touching is one that is biologically
set in some ways.
There are pshysiological differences that are more than
physical differences only, in the metabolic systems of men
and women.And the difference you mention are in part related
to that, and soemthign that shoudl be in my ooinion taken
into consideration if oen wants to face the reality of two
genders that in soem ways are almost two different species.
Let's look at some things that are well known but that we
often tend to not put in an enumeration: women know as girls
they will be "women" when their periods start. They know
that can be anytime between 9 and 14 in average. Then they
will have those each 28 days.Then there is pregnancy that lasts
9 months, Then the 40 days after. Then the four decades of
fertility, with the last one being menopause, and the time
menopause lasts, etc, etc.
In other words, TIME and duiration is a notion that is
within a woman's very body, and in such, does make it so
that time is a facot that is sort of inherent to their
being: their being woman, if you want. On top of the time
or duration notion, other physiological differences make it so
time will also matter to women in a different way, on a
different level, an inner one, unavoidably there even if
totally unconsciously.
You mentioned being impulsive for instance. Of course women
are too, just look at some shopping and you will see that
immediately;-):).
But let's take that impulsiveness and look at it in a
physiologicval *difference*, at the risk of being accused of
generalizing. Soem later will take care of ""reminding me""
of all the exceptiosn to the rule, wehre the rule remains
anyway, sort of, in the **pshysiological* side of it.
Take sexual peak.
Man sees attractive woman. Body si already ready "to serve":).
Of course the same can happen with any woman quite often.
But not as a general rule in the following: a man might
still be ""ready to serve" his wife instantly after x years
wehre the wife might then not feel like it instantly...
The very physiological differences in sexuality make it so,
again talking here in awful generalizations, please people
do not blast me for it::). I read soemwhere that women like
to have a build up *all day*. Where correct em if I am
wrong, but men, if they woudl smile at the thought, would
impulsively tend more to have many orgasms all day:). Again
that of course is the case frequently qith eomen too, wehre
they can have for isntacne multiple orgasms where so far
nothign fo that sort was stated about men. But the mulptiple
orgasm happens with one partner at a time anyway. Where
perhaps at best the same amount of orgasms coudl happen
occasionally with a man, with the same woman or not.
(Yes, yes, I know, a woamn coudl have 25 partners a day. But
that si not what I am trying to get to explain here, so,
that oen one coudl ask dear Abby or soemthing:)).
The very sexual peak of woman is over time moree than for
man as you most certainly know, and in that si also a
difference where with man it could be compared to
"impulsiveness" and with women, to "duration".
All those things perhaps make it so that wmen look for
duration and durable realtionships, where men if they look
fo r that as well, maybe look for that more in a
""social"" context. Long term relationships still being
described by social images as THE thing bringign stability
and lalala.
When a man meets a woman, he might have beign ion bed with
her in mind. Here and now. The woman has the same on her
mind, but rather in a "I wonder hwo he is in bed", i.e.
can he offer those things that a woman needs for smethign to
be other than a fling. Let;s face it: at the limit, any
woman coudl have a fling any hour of the day: if I woudl
open my door and shout on my door step "Sex, anyone?", no
matter what I woudl look like, I woudl have a line-up from
here to Australia;-):):), if you see what I mean:).
Then there must be a reason that makes it so I donlt feel
like shouting that on my door step nor having that line-up
at all!:) Selection!
The selection process will want it or not still be made, in
the case of a woman, wth those inherent TIME inner
differences in her PSYCHE.
A very impulsive man might turn her on for his being so
"cruedly male", say;-). But for a long term thing, it woudl
soon lose of its flavor, because of the inherent time clocks.
(NOTE: unrelated to this paragraph, but...Another difference we
did not mention is the fact
that a woman ovulates once a month, one egg: a man produces
billions of spermatozoides a day, each day: n that already
is the impuslive pattern "vs" the time duration pattern).
If man meets woman and man is on purte impulsive mode, for
the sake of our example here (not taking it that you are
impulsive up to that way, not to worry:)), and grabs woman
and starts fondling her in public, odds are he will get the
slap of his life and end up in jail:). If a wman would
stre6tch the time factor too long without giving anythign in
at all for encouragement, man woudl end up goign to sdee
elsewehre...That too is part of the effects of the different
psyche that coems from different physiological genders.
So. On a date, that a woman thinks of it or not, will be the
signs that her subconscious catches about who a man is "in
bed"". That might or not cross her mind consciously but is
there anyway. There will also be the old old remanants of
mommy's voice sayign "not ont he forst date" and so on,
where other generatiosn lived that difference before and
learned as they coudl to make do with it...To try and bridge
the differernces in a way that can be as satisfactory as can
be, where man's impulses and woman's impulses too -to not
insult anyoen ehre and not make them think I woudl think
womena re those thigns that feel nothign physically of the
impulse nature (I am talking psyche here mainly, but due to
inherent time factors within the body of men and women)-,
will be taken into consideration.
In the old granny ays, the role of woman in dates consisted
into sort of both driving the guy nuts and making the
impulsiveness turn into desire, desire being the impulse
brought into a duration fframe of tinme: impulse maintained
over time became desire...The goald was to make a man desire
a wman, her specifically, and not just stay satisfied with
his impulse being satisfied, which elad to bye bye fry fry,
was nice meeting you, at least in thsoe days. But still
today for the differenc in psyche: in the odl ays, the idea
was to maintain the desire alive for a life time, which was
no easy thign to do.... But which was the way for women to
then be able to live their relationship(s) in duration mode,
so they woudl eb satisfactory to them a well...Dating was
born;-), vs mating, say?;-)
So, what does that make it today?
Today, social images presented to woemn (and men) changed a
lot, becomign mroe realistic, exactly acceptign that women
do have impulses too, and are not sinners for that much.
Just liek ti became known that men coudl cry and not be
spineless just for that much either?
So the images offered socially of men-women relatings is not
always relationships, and it is not always that way in life:
I woudl nto call a one night stand a relationship, say. It
is an encouter, and an exchange, but not a relationship in that.
But in man-women *relationships* the inner physiological
diferences in the psyche remain.
My way of saying it usually is short:
"Men are "here and now" (impulsive). Women are "Now and THEN".
(Think fo the old cliche "will he respect me in the morning"
which emans literally "will he still ahve a ""reason""
(desire) to see me the day after his impulses have been
answered").
On one side it coudl end up with man wondering if she ever
will be in the "now". He wants it but wants it NOW! She's
here is she not??? Then what's the fuss?;-):):)
As for woman, it might be |He is here now. But where was he
yesterday,and where will he be tomorrow? So, he is here now,
and fine, he wants me now...But what after?? What of then?
Does he not think of "then" at all??? What is he, macho?
Insensitive? Thoughtless? Brain in the wrong spot??? Can;t
he plan anything, can't he have any follow up on anything?
Look at him eating his meal like there was no tomorrow!!! Gee,
is this what pelasure is to him?? Feed me, gimme sex, give
it NOW, and I donlt care about later"???
The entore dating thing finally ends up being that: the man,
here and now, and the woman, now and then, tryign to fidn f
together they can bridge the relating with a compromise of
***here and then**. Not just here and no. Not just now and then.
But somethign that takes both into consideration. Where
respecting her own rythm and inner identity, a woman just
can not pretend she is not havign those physiological
differences "forever". And where if a few men woudl have
made it waiting to have sex forever for the same, their names
woudl ahve been written in history and legends, so rare they
woudl be;-). (Noe that there was such a case reported in
Acadian history with Evangeline and her beau. They just ahd
been married when the husband was deported at large. They
met again after a lifetime of his tryign to find the way
back home and her waiting for him forever. They met and he
died in her arms, never havign known another woman, aparently.
End of stoic story:)).
I wonder if men know for most of them what the ida behind
flowers and reasataurant invitations and the whole works
is about...Sends a woman the message that he CAN spend time
"on her" (read it letterally of you want;-), woudl still eb
applicable:)). It is doin things to try and have a chance in
the selective process. Soudns crude and cold, but so it is....
Yet...the resatuarant or candele dinner thing is so used
that most women know it is the one two three hop dance
steps, and will tend to look for other signs....
Like in my case eyars ago, noticing that the same candles
were there and had soemhow melted a good 5 inch more since
the last date at this man's place....That the pile of
records had been turned over, shwoing another dinner time
duration too;-) L:).
Sighns that impulse is there, desire for one specific
person, nope. Can be fine dependiong on how a woman happens
to feel, but can also let her know that exactly, of that one
is plsying the "lifetime" scene to her, erm...Soemthing does
nto jive:).
So I dunno. Is desire so terrible?
What man is not taken heart mind and soul by a woman he desires
with all his might? What man doe snot in fact dream of that?
But in my opinion, only time factor can make the impulse
becoem desire...Answerring it the secodn it is expressed or
sensed is simply like blowing a candle just cause it is lit.
LAM, odd image here LOL:)
From there, does not of course mena thatvwomen do not feel
liek a fling at any given moment of their life. The
lkifetime thing is actually not a priority all the time in
their conscious mind: I'd rather spend a lifetime alone than
send it with soem given men, say:). Again, selecting has
always been the thign of waman, simply cause they have the
choice on their side, given the fact that the impulsive oens
are the men, or to take the example again, simply cause
*they* are the oens that coudl atthe limit open the door and
shoput "sex, anyone?" and get a line-up to Australia.
In heards in the old cromagnon days, men woudl be like with
stalions, the strngest one being the one that woudl serve
all mares. The selection was doen for the mares in that way
without their havign a thing to do much: the stalions woudl
fight to death until the strongest woudl be left. But then
he had like 40 mares to live his daily impulsions with:),
where each ahd their time *of the year*. I am sure you
noticed that things changed;-):):).
Some men actually marry for the idea of having a sex partner
at their side, at a hand's reach, each night the lord brings.
Woe boy. History HAS mentioned quiote a few of those that
ended up waking up to reality fast enough:). She soon
developed headaches;-), invited the mother in law over for
two weeks or whatever...
That inner difference is one in my opinion that should be
remembered both by men and women, and not about their own
gender inner psyche differences only, but about the other's
as well.
Else the gap will remain unknown, and oen that no one thinks
of bridging, expcet in "them dirty pigs" and "miss ratio"
type of statements that just express a difference both are
too unaware of to try and bridge...
It si risjy to answer such a post as yours, specially in the
way I have. Unless one wrties a long book on it,l it
willalways remain generalizatiosn and leave on opened to
cracks and repartes and so on of a "You social retard, Chloe"
nature.
But I think they are exactly the abc of soem undebiable
differences, that, as undeniable as they may be *as
generalizing as they are put in here for not makign this
post even longer*, are yet still leavign most undeniably unaware
of the differences and of hwo to communicate THROUGH them.
To all readers: I am just pulling out of the neck of soem
sort of blackhell hole. Please donlt blast, and pelase read
with good will, as againl that topic is one thatc an never
be presented in any post without it seeming generalizing way
too much. I am aware of that and therefore expect that soem
might react that way. And ask those to then please
reconsider and be nice and easy. Had a very ahrd Murphy's
law week and Friday.
Best to you, D-L!
Chloe
(Donke...@webtv.net) writes:
> I'm almost afraid to say some of these things, because I'd rather not be
> accused of being a misogynist. I'll take my chances, I guess.
> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0It seems to me, that women don't get lonely in the
--
Eleonore Beaudoin
Aww, mannnn! Why did mamma not tell me that???
hereI am, a bright and not too uglly thang, poor like mad
and a bachelor...Ya mean...I ahd to g for the bucks????
Why did not oen tell me!!!!!;-):):)
BTW, as odd as this willsound, you too are free to marry a
rich man.
The reasons why you have not are probabl rthe same reasosn
why I have not (yet?). Have not met one yet that cared about
broke me LOL:)
Rich peole intermarry. That si why we stay poor all our
lives. Or soemthign like that...?
;-)
:)
"cranky
bridge crab" (rod...@netpci.com) writes:
> They also seem to handle being alone much better, but appearances can be
> deceiving , I spose.
>
> All the guys know where you're coming from. It's said that men are more
> attracted to the physical, while women are more attracted to the more
> practical substantial elements.
>
> Programming has much to do with it. A female child is conditioned:
> "Isn't she a darling bright beautiful girl?" "Yes and when she grows up
> she's going to marry a man who's rich!"
>
>
>
--
Unicorn
YEEE HA.. YOUR OK..
Pamela
"Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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Unicorn
Actually, what you said makes alot of sense and no one should fault you but
most will give their opinions.
<I have been recently called a man hater.. and that is far from truth, but
it is their opinion and I don't feel it a statement worthy of being
defensive>
From my own experiences, I seek a partner in life, not the random pattern I
am seeing as a single..
I believe in my deepest loneliness I thought that was all I should open me
up to the one and only and I did not seek simplicity of the man/woman
friendships so to say.. I was from a long term marriage and was very good at
dodging any form of conversation that was not simple kidding with a man and
we had deep friendships because I don't pull punches, I give them honesty..
I had allot of male friends that were born of my work and of my x husband
and we were a gathering place so to say with an open swinging door on our
home always.. I did not feel shy of men who where single.. there was no
reason to.. I was simply that *married* but friend to all.. Unfortunately
some of those friendships are now lost because upon becoming single they
wished for more of a relationship with me, and I backed off reaching to them
as just friends not sure how to respond to what they wished to change in
what were fantastic long term brother/sister type relationships..
When I became single, my own attitude changed, I am seeing this now by
going out with my still married girlfriends who are getting me out more to
just have a drink or *support* me in my wonderings.. they have like I once
had no problem with just going out to make friends.. not to dodge hits..
perception is the key as well as projection of self.. prejudging
relationships or setting yourself up internally for either commitment or
rejection is not good.. simple conversation and just extending the hand to
say, "Hi this is me", or laughing about something happening around you seems
to work best..
And talking with those other young girls at more depth of friendship trying
to learn what it is in my attitude that closes me off from meeting anyone
when I see they can feel comfortable with talking to anyone and simply being
themselves....
I became withdrawn and distant and did not open myself for simple real world
male friendships because the *hit factor* was there and I was unsure of how
to react without coming across cold.. when I extended myself, it was almost
immediately thought I wanted a physical commitment or I was hitting on them
to simply initiate a conversation or invite a man over to go fishing with me
in friendship as a single and I became internally defensive.. allot of men
out there seems to want to judge your actions assume you want more or rush
to some depth of relationship that I am not able or willing to give without
knowing it is a relationship that is of a more committed nature.. as a youth
I did not date but a few boys and any relationships I had were long and we
did not give up on each other so easily once we committed emotionally. I
don't look at pocketbooks, I look at emotional maturity instead.. I look for
the ability for another to want to get to know who I am, not what I *feel*
like actually..
I am very practical in real life though, I have children I am responsible
for, and I have been through the no money, build a family and make ends
meet, go to school, work daily, establish one's career and achieve thingy
as well as loose it all as a result of division of marital property and then
rebuild again with heavier responsibilities on my own.. divorce melts all
of that away equally dividing what supported many into pieces and puts you
in an economic state of survival mode with no one to depend upon but self to
support little ones financially, emotionally and physically, your own needs
are cast aside.. I have to be practical, I stand for them as a teaching and
motivating factor that is a mold and an image in a sense of how they should
not become tilted in life.. because I chose divorce not *the unit of mother
father that is normal for a family*.. because I choose to teach them what is
morally correct, not what is apparent *loneliness* and grabbing for anyone
in the single scene..
I have a home, I have a car, they are not my value however as a single
mother it takes allot of responsibility to maintain them. I don't have a
whole lot of time to seek another.. And if I find another someday to blend
with us and create the total picture of *nuclear family* we will build
together a better and brighter future.. but for now... I am practical and I
must be independent and care for them as a mother should, not as a single
bringing men home with me.. and it takes time for another to *get to know
me* as I believe it takes time to *get to know another*.. time is a key in
lonely.. for when you are lonely you don't want to wait.. you want the
instant fix so to say.. and some jump out of friendships into relationships
much too early..
I want to just get by also, and I am not a material or position oriented
person.. but I would wish to see that another that I would seek would be
able to take care of themselves in reality.. trying to learn, trying to grow
and be a better person inside of themselves.. if they appear really down on
themselves and in deep depression, I would not wish to be the one who is the
focus to bring them out of it for the whole relationship is one sided and
only dependent upon having a relationship with someone..the relationship
would begin tilted and would end in one or the other deciding they can't be
wholly responsible for the others happiness.. it must begin within them
the need to create a positive energy for themselves..
One must be a whole number first, then and only then can 2 blend to become
one in my opinion..
But, I will tell you since I made my New Years resolution of simply meeting
others, new male and female friends alike everytime I go out.. I am feeling
less lonely and making more friends to just go out with when I want to for I
am the whole number now, not always seeking or looking for another to make
me happy.. it begins within.. it extends without..
Now, like me.. just for tonight, go out there and just simply meet people..
no more, no less, just meet them.. not seek one to take the lonely away..
Pamela
<Donke...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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I'm almost afraid to say some of these things, because I'd rather not be
accused of being a misogynist. I'll take my chances, I guess.
Eleonore Beaudoin
Hi, Pam!:)
Well, I dunno if I am ok. I think o em as okay, but that
does not mean I am to all.
But sure glad soemoen else thinks I am okay!:):)
;-)
Thanks for your support and kidn words whiel I was down...
Took a lot to get me out of where I was, and I barely am out
of it. I give it my best shot, truystign in Gid and life
that if I do my best God will take care of the rest...
((BTW..Does that eman He does the sleepign while I work late
hours;-):)
((No offense meant, Boss, you know me too well to think
otherwise:))
Best to you and gald to see you here still, Pam!:)
Chloe
--
ric
well it's obvious,
you wouldn't have listened anyway ;)
yo mamma musta been wise
love that mind that is all your own Chloe
stay independant and free
but hope you find the one of your dreams
so you won't be lonely
yup, I think I've decided what it is I love about you most
it's there's no box big enough for you...
you are part of everything
cuz you let everything be part of you
and you walk your path
with your own two feet
you are free
you are love
and you *are* beautiful
*HUG*
honest love, ric
''Cherish your visions; cherish your ideals;
cherish the music that stirs in your heart,
the beauty that forms in your mind, the
loveliness that drapes your purest thoughts.
For if you remain true to them...
your world will at last be built.''
~~ James Allen ~~
Eleonore Beaudoin wrote in message <85qsmb$hql$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca>...
ric
Hi DL... not buying into the material world does put us (meaning you and me as I
don't either) in the minority... I've found that I had to compromise the
existential ideas in order to find some chance to socialize... for poverty
limits freedom to explore most social activities, even if one is happy-as-a-clam
with nothing...
the 60's and early 70's saw a surge of non-material ways tried... communes and
agricultural communities where people lived by pooling resources and leaving the
mainstream of society... but few became self-sustaining enough to grow into a
large enough community to provide a population base big enough to grow within
itself... most intimate relationships and couples came to the communities as
couples or found a mate outside the community...
still, some basic need for money or barter matrials was needed by each member of
the community to survive... it's a matter of compromise as I see it... for the
world is just a bigger commune... we share, albiet very unequally and unfairly,
the resources to survive...
it took some time for me to get past my denial of the need to compromise... to
actually have to spend a good portion of my awake time doing something I didn't
always want to do every day, just to earn my own independence and freedom to
explore socially... seems to stupid and unfair, but this is living in the
material world and that's where almost everybody lives... so that's where I've
got to get to in order to meet others and have any chance of social
fulfillment...
I still find myself very isolated philosophically for most of the people I meet
anywhere I go are more dependant on material things than I am... it is very sad,
even depressing to know that I've driving a new car and I've drivien an old car
and more people approach me when I pull up in a new car... this is part of the
reason I have long hair and facial hair, I don't want to attract people only
interested in a GQ look and life...
thing is, I can enjoy the glitz and glamour life too... I mean, why do we watch
movies?... luxury is a very nice experience... few would turn it away and most
who do are looked at kinda funny :)
the best I can do is be happy within myself doing things by myself... and keep
doing things out there where other people are... and not get myself down because
I'm alone and would rather share...
maybe I look at life kinda life it's an ice cream sundae... I sure would like
extra scoops and toppings and even a spoon... and I'd love someone to share it
with... but if all I've got is a dab of ice cream on my lonely little finger,
I'll enjoy that dab as much as I can...
to all the lonely little fingers out there...
use them well tonight ;)
honest love, ric
attitude isn't everything,
but it changes perception...
perception isn't everything,
it just changes everything,
from one point of view...
Donke...@webtv.net wrote in message
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cranky bridge crab
Unicorn
Been there recently too.. putting in 16 to 20 a day .. we are gonna be ok..
let's play a little.. talk in some email and heal a little..
and don't ya know dear sweet Chloe..
you are one of the reasons I came back.. you are one of the reasons I stay
I felt that feeling you were feeling myself, and your bye.. made me cry..
I got that wonderful gift from you in the mail, and angel you are and an
angel I did not feel like
for I had forgotten to give you support too..
and lady.. you are a wonderful person.. yes indeed, no doubt about it.. Kay
Pamela
"Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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>
> Hi, Pam!:)
> "Unicorn" (Unicorn...@yahoo.com) writes:
> > CHLOE..
> > YEEE HA.. YOUR OK..
>
> Well, I dunno if I am ok. I think o em as okay, but that
> does not mean I am to all.
>
> But sure glad soemoen else thinks I am okay!:):)
> ;-)
>
> Thanks for your support and kidn words whiel I was down...
> Took a lot to get me out of where I was, and I barely am out
> of it. I give it my best shot, truystign in Gid and life
> that if I do my best God will take care of the rest...
> ((BTW..Does that eman He does the sleepign while I work late
> hours;-):)
> ((No offense meant, Boss, you know me too well to think
> otherwise:))
>
> Best to you and gald to see you here still, Pam!:)
>
> Chloe
> >
> > Pamela
> >
> > "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
> > news:85qsmb$hql$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca...
> >>
> >> Aww, mannnn! Why did mamma not tell me that???
> >> hereI am, a bright and not too uglly thang, poor like mad
> >> and a bachelor...Ya mean...I ahd to g for the bucks????
> >>
> >> Why did not oen tell me!!!!!;-):):)
> >>
> >>
> >> BTW, as odd as this willsound, you too are free to marry a
> >> rich man.
> >> The reasons why you have not are probabl rthe same reasosn
> >> why I have not (yet?). Have not met one yet that cared about
> >> broke me LOL:)
> >> Rich peole intermarry. That si why we stay poor all our
> >> lives. Or soemthign like that...?
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >> :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "cranky
> >> bridge crab" (rod...@netpci.com) writes:
> >> --
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
Eleonore Beaudoin
> Sweet Chloe..
> Been there recently too.. putting in 16 to 20 a day .. we are gonna be ok..
> let's play a little.. talk in some email and heal a little..
> and don't ya know dear sweet Chloe..
> you are one of the reasons I came back.. you are one of the reasons I stay
Thaks for your words....
If no one says they care, how is one to know...?
I care too, Pam! I care and wish I coudl help soemhow in
your seekign to give to not give all to toerhs and fidnign
your own self back....
> I felt that feeling you were feeling myself, and your bye.. made me cry..
It made me cry too, beforeI said bye. I was so empty inside
and nothign was there that gave the slightest thign to hold
on to it felt...All seems so arid and infertile....
I needed to take time and g then to draw from deep inside
me, to fidn strenght from within...Which is never easy in
moments wehre we already are down and exausted so much...
But where I felt my posting woudl just be brogin my own self
to pieces...Everyoen seemed so taken by talkign about
support and forgettign to give support t each other...Not
just one or not just tohers, me too. We all were affected by
it all I think and all in NEED of support, suddenly, afected
by the negative stuff as we were....
I am glad we are picking up though....And hope youa re too
more and more and always more!:)
> I got that wonderful gift from you in the mail, and angel you are and an
> angel I did not feel like
Woudl angels feel like angels?;-)
Probably not...They probably would measure all they lack
still...
Or woudl angels have learned to not expect to be gods?
I think they probably would and do:)
> for I had forgotten to give you support too..
Reminds me of my first wees in here when I wrote "Who
supports the supporter? Who counsels the counselor...?"...
Only Ric then had caught those words for what they meant...
My needing support too:).
Tall women also like to be carried in arms like
babies:):), and to be hugged and smield to and talked to and
with...To have feedback...
I sometimes exactly look at Ric and wonder who counsels the
counselor, who supports the supporter....
And same for you and for everyoen seen as one that offers
support. There are no supporters: there is just poeple that
care, and are here out of feeling no care aroudn them,
feeling lonely in that...Where expressing thatc are is
important...
Ric? I care. I *really* do. ((I will let you knwo just after I
am doen with my 2,751 posts LOL:) Heheheh:)).
Pam?I care about you too.....And hope you find what you
need, find your road and Way to yourself and to feeling
accomplished not only in your career, your mom;s life, but
as a woman with all that encompasses!!
> and lady.. you are a wonderful person.. yes indeed, no doubt about it.. Kay
Thanks.....I think I woudl need to ehar it many times in
mnay contexts and ways before thinkign someone really
would think so...:)
For insdtanc,e in my downs, I wodnered why it seemed only
said when I was down...I wodnered if people liked "drama"
and were attracted to express carignt o those that were down
only...Adn wodnered exactly then why we do not tend to
express carign when all is fien, too, to prevent the
crashes....:)
I am as guilty as anyone.
When wa the last time I gave YOU support?
Bill?
Ric?
OB?
Liz?
Raff?
All those others that offered ME support so often...?
So here's to you, Pam, a carign hug.....
((((C(A(R(I(N(G((((((PAM))))))C)A)R)I)N)G)))))
Bestestest to you!!
Chloe
--
Flameman
But I can't just sit hear waiting on you forever
I bet if I looked ten years into the future, you
will still be there posting, this would be OK, but
I need something real, to actually feel someone in my
arms to love again and see the person
We never got to have a proper conversation, time wouldn't
allow it. In my heart I so wish we could just sit down and
have a proper conversation, things are just so impossible
like this
Chloe I'm harmless and my actions are real if you notice,
I'm not afraid to say what's on my mind. I do things
differently than you, I believe in talking things out, it makes
you feel so much better, but just to be kept in the dark like
this is insulting to a person
So call me a lurker a pest a stalker an alcoholic, then if I'm
these things then why did you talk to me for three months,
give me your number, send me a present and so on
why if I'm so evil, why did you stay?
I bought two bottles of wine but don't want to open them, I'm
going out. Going to see the real world, with real people. Not
Watching a load of menopausal people going round and round
in circles really wishing in the back of there minds they need someone
in their bed before all feeling is digitised and gone
I'm young although ill I have been in remission for three years, I
still have life, have a lot to give. I sponsor 14 African children
and get letters telling me how happy they are, there like my children.
You help people on ASL they are like your children, it's good to give
Chloe, but there must be a balance.
So you haven't the courage to say goodbye then I'll say it for you.
Goodbye my sweet Chloe
Do you realise the power you have, the beauty? You can have who
you like, go out there Chloe and love again, live again, feel it for real.
I'm going out to have lots and lots of sex...........wish me luck:)
Goodbye
Trevor
Eleonore Beaudoin <bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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Donke...@webtv.net
like shouting that on my door step nor having that line-up at all!:)
Selection!"
What kind of "selectivity" are you talking about? I think men and women
are both selective. I don't mind the fact that women are selective,
because I DO have some good qualities, and I should have just as good of
a chance finding someone as anyone else. I SHOULD, but I DON'T. There's
one thing I don't have, and probably never will have. I don't have a
job. It's not that I'm lazy. I can't work, because I'm mentally
disabled. It's not like I don't have money coming in. It's not much
money, but it's something. If I have to have a job to have a woman, then
I'm doomed. Why can't a woman love me just for me. I feel as though I'm
being punished. I guess it's not enough that I have to put up with
mental problems, I've been sentenced to a life of loneliness, because
of them.
I don't know about most men, but I'm not looking for just sex. It may
sound like a lie, but if a really beautiful girl came up to me, and
asked me to have sex with her, I would say "no". For one thing, I don't
believe in sex before marriage,because I'm a Christian. For another
thing, sex without love wouldn't be all that enjoyable.
Candyman
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> In article 19570-38...@storefull-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net,
> Donke...@webtv.net at Donke...@webtv.net wrote on 1/16/00 18:44:
>
> > For another
> > thing, sex without love wouldn't be all that enjoyable.
>
> Exactly.
>
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Couldn't agree with you more. And even when in love it must be mutual, in
other words if my wife is tired or just not in the mood - I respect her
wishes. I don't wine, moan or hound her until it becomes a ok go a head,
hurry up and get off (I didn't mean that the way it may have sounded).
chief
ric
beautiful dear friend...
you've been there for me when I was down
and you were even there when I was gone
yours is a heart that rises above
to inspire me to carry on
you're touched by some spiritual love
that words could never quite express
to know you is to love you, love
to know you is to be blessed
you'll never get all you deserve
for you deserve more than exists
within you is a precious soul
and beauty that life can't resist
those who don't know you have missed out
on wonders only angels know
the child can touch the butterfly
the rain can make the flowers grow
a light that's brighter than the stars
a truth that's deeper than the sea
a friend I can always count on
this is what you mean to me
thank you Chloe... honest love, ric
Eleonore Beaudoin wrote in message
>((((C(A(R(I(N(G((((((PAM))))))C)A)R)I)N)G)))))
>Bestestest to you!!
>Chloe
..
..
Elsie Bell
your inbox is behaving .........
For my part in the list below - you can forget worrying about that side of
things! You've given me support so many times and often just by being there.
You mght have noticed I'm not very good at seeming to be taking advice but it
does all go in and I listen to what you say .
Chloe said
pam / aka cloud9
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 02:19:26 -0800 (PST), Donke...@webtv.net wrote:
>I'm almost afraid to say some of these things, because I'd rather not be
>accused of being a misogynist. I'll take my chances, I guess.
>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0It seems to me, that women don't get lonely in the
Eleonore Beaudoin
Hi, Liz,
Nope:),
I have not noticed: it hardly crossed my mind to give you
any at all that I remember...Sorry would I have sounded
that way then!:)
But nope, I never felt hurt or neglected or whatever
negative thing one might think rejected advice might bring
either, cause I simply never thought of handing you any...I
just did not see you as one needing some, simply:). My
impression is rather that you know what you are lookign for,
or that you
are looking for whatever you happen to be lookign for
whenever you are:), and my feelign si that as
as long as one is looking, that's all it takes.
so....
Here's your penitence for today LOL:)
Soem advice for you!! L:)
ADVICE: Keep doign whatever you are doing LOL:)
(Again that reminds me of the chapter where the Ruler in the
Little Prince orders people to sit down *after* they sat
down:):))
And not to forget:
ADVICE NUMBER TWO: Ignore advice number one at will:):)
L:)
Don't worry, I never felt that in any way, either from me
nor you, in the exchange:)
I advise we keep it that way then:)
[Small print available on request]
;-)
Chloe
Elsie Bell (els...@aol.comnospam) writes:
> Hi chloe I've written to you earlier today , just a quick one as I dont know if
> your inbox is behaving .........
> For my part in the list below - you can forget worrying about that side of
> things! You've given me support so many times and often just by being there.
> You mght have noticed I'm not very good at seeming to be taking advice but it
> does all go in and I listen to what you say .
>
> Chloe said
>>When wa the last time I gave YOU support?
>>Bill?
>>Ric?
>>OB?
>>Liz?
>>Raff?
>>All those others that offered ME support so often...?
>
--
Unicorn
snipping if I may to the meat of the advice.. hope you don't mind..
Chloe ok now.. all tilting coming upright again?
Pamela
"Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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<gentle snips>
> ADVICE: Keep doign whatever you are doing LOL:)
> (Again that reminds me of the chapter where the Ruler in the
> Little Prince orders people to sit down *after* they sat
> down:):))
<tiny snip>
> And not to forget:
> ADVICE NUMBER TWO: Ignore advice number one at will:):)
>
<another gentle snip>
>
> L:)
Candyman
You're starting to sound like a Lamb, hahahehe
Hugs
Eddie (Chief)
You are what you eat, hehehe
Unicorn
Clipping it next time.. to reply to Chloe.. for I had not seen her words
till now.. thank you for carrying her words to me..
Pamela
"ric" <asl...@REMOVE-CAPS-BEFORE-REPLYegroups.com> wrote in message
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>
> beautiful dear friend...
>
> you've been there for me when I was down
> and you were even there when I was gone
> yours is a heart that rises above
> to inspire me to carry on
>
> you're touched by some spiritual love
> that words could never quite express
> to know you is to love you, love
> to know you is to be blessed
>
> you'll never get all you deserve
> for you deserve more than exists
> within you is a precious soul
> and beauty that life can't resist
>
> those who don't know you have missed out
> on wonders only angels know
> the child can touch the butterfly
> the rain can make the flowers grow
>
> a light that's brighter than the stars
> a truth that's deeper than the sea
> a friend I can always count on
> this is what you mean to me
>
> thank you Chloe... honest love, ric
>
>
> Eleonore Beaudoin wrote in message
> ..
>
>
> ..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Unicorn
Chloe.. it's funny.. for when no one else saw I was crashing all around..
you reached and found me in email.. saying.. Hey Pammy What's up..
or we'd be playing and you were knowing it was keeping me sane sometimes..
and I shall never forget it.. you were sensitive to me many times darlin..
tis a bond between us.. one I would never tear asunder..
I know you care.. and I hope you always know I care in return for who is
you..
and I am very, very proud of you..
I guess In knowing your compassion and the caring for us and having been
there as others fought for your right to simply be you.. it was tearing you
apart.. but I felt you.. there till you left.. then I went boom right along
with you..
And you actually know how much I was being twisted inside by trying to not
be angry.. and stay.. right in the middle..
You are right.. we forgot to support the supporters.. and in an *emotional
upheaval* of the supporters who are the givers of support.. we lost
ourselves inside and could not give support because we had none to fill us
up.. it got to the point I could not see past the resolving of their anger
and I was to drained to give support or even reach for my own..
Remember our wonderful Texas lady always said.. one must replenish the well
or the well becomes dried up and no one shall draw from its substance.. the
words *empty* *void* and *barren* come to mind..
And as always sweet Chloe.. you are right.. I can support anyone..
I just can't support me sometimes..I never learned how to take for myself..
Someday though.. I believe out there somewhere is someone for me to lean
on.. he just isn't found yet..
my self imposed walls are just still too steep.. but I need a place to fall
and feel safe.. that is kinda ASL and what is should in reality be .. for
ALL that seek support in loneliness..
And Chloe.. you are the angel.. not me..
I am still trying to be a human and not live the life of a computer as I
have for this many years working....
one must simply let go of something's that just aren't meant to be.. and I
did in all the midst of this.. Kay ..
All for the sake and the privilege of being a human again.. somewhere to
someone.. someday..
Thank you Chloe..
<<<<<mega big hugs lady>>>>
Pamela
> Eleonore Beaudoin wrote in message
> >"Unicorn" (Unicorn...@yahoo.com) writes:
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ric
merci buckets... thankies... grassy knolls...
I was just saying merci to her... didn't realize *everybody* was gonna go and
read it ;)
seriously, thank you Pamela... honest love, ric
Unicorn wrote in message ...
>Very nice Ric.. and she indeed deserves our respect and love..
>Clipping it next time.. to reply to Chloe.. for I had not seen her words
>till now.. thank you for carrying her words to me..
>Pamela
>"ric" wrote in message
>news:85v08f$21qi$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com...
>> beautiful dear friend...
>> you've been there for me when I was down
>> and you were even there when I was gone
>> yours is a heart that rises above
>> to inspire me to carry on
>> you're touched by some spiritual love
>> that words could never quite express
>> to know you is to love you, love
>> to know you is to be blessed
>> you'll never get all you deserve
>> for you deserve more than exists
>> within you is a precious soul
>> and beauty that life can't resist
>> those who don't know you have missed out
>> on wonders only angels know
>> the child can touch the butterfly
>> the rain can make the flowers grow
>> a light that's brighter than the stars
>> a truth that's deeper than the sea
>> a friend I can always count on
>> this is what you mean to me
>> thank you Chloe... honest love, ric
>> Eleonore Beaudoin wrote in message
>> >"Unicorn" (Unicorn...@yahoo.com) writes:
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Gina
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
You are indeed most unique (and I mean that in a good way). I'm sending you
lots of good thoughts and wishes for happiness, and hopes that the hugs help.
Smiles,
Gina
"I wish I could find a good book to live in ...
Wish I could find a good book ...
Well if I could find a real good book ...
I'd never have to come out and look at ...
What they done to my song ..."
---Melanie
Unicorn
all the stresses of the last week or more.. I read it.. and I appreciated
them.. and you have a Ric folder in the poet's corner on my computer..
Pamela
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Candyman
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On 1/16/00 22:17, Candyman at spo...@banet.net wrote:
>
> > poet wrote:
> >
> >> x-no-archive: yes
> >>
> >> In article 19570-38...@storefull-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net,
> >> Donke...@webtv.net at Donke...@webtv.net wrote on 1/16/00 18:44:
> >>
> >>> For another
> >>> thing, sex without love wouldn't be all that enjoyable.
> >>
> >> Exactly
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > Couldn't agree with you more. And even when in love it must be mutual, in
> > other words if my wife is tired or just not in the mood - I respect her
> > wishes. I don't wine, moan or hound her until it becomes a ok go a head,
> > hurry up and get off (I didn't mean that the way it may have sounded).
>
> So you're saying that you ply her with wine until she's putty in your hands?
>
> Just kidding! :)
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She doesn't drink. Dam it, hahahehehe
Hugs
Eddie (Chief)
Eleonore Beaudoin
It left me speechless...
Does that not say it all.......?
He's so good, yould think each word was meant! (laughing so
madly I discover I have a bit of a belly LOL:))
I took a big risk and downloaded it on my C drive:)
Just in case I woudl put the head-vice one too tight or too
long one day...To remedy to that in no time;-):)
(((((((((((((((((((*Ric*))))))))))))))))))))))))
Will get to you on a reply to that later if it does not roll
out of sight (uploading from said C drive woudl nwo make it
be a risk of nuclear C-drive-wipeout...).
For now, just speechless. I am like that when playing humble
HAHAHAHAHAH, how's that for candor:):) LOL:)
Hehehehahaahah:) Gawd I am NUTS!! But I enjoy it:)
Sorry if it inconveniences anyone:)
Is it time to leave for work ""yet"?
Fraid so, or close anyway:(
Oh well, at least I know it might only be for a few more
weeks....
(Fingers blue from crossign them so tight snce so many
years...:))
And Ric?
(special grateful smile) Thank you for being.......
Chloe
--
Eleonore Beaudoin
Why thank you!:)
Those words from you have their special way of bringign a
very unique ray of hope and sunshine on an otherwise rather
cold and grey day!
Thank you!:)
P.S; Ric likcked his chocoloat pudding bowl just cause he
knew I then woudl not take any and that eh then could look
good offerign me some, knowing I woudl not eat pre-licked
chocolate pudding:(
Care to send me a bowl?(UNlicked, please!!:)
Best to you, Gina!
Chloe
Gina (lawd...@aol.com) writes: > Dear Chloe....
--
David H.
If you have a bright nicely furnished apartment invite women over.
If you live in a large community join face to face support groups.
If you haven't already, show women you are trying to make money with a
webpage on the internet.
Women hate to be alone more than men.
Women hate to have their privacy invaded more than men.
You are probably as far from being a misogynist as anyone can get. Don't
give up.
--
David H
http://www.geocities.com/worsethandeath
Updated approximately biweekly
worseth...@yahoo.com
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Gina
>
>Those words from you have their special way of bringign a
>very unique ray of hope and sunshine on an otherwise rather
>cold and grey day!
>
>
>Thank you!:)
>
>P.S; Ric likcked his chocoloat pudding bowl just cause he
>knew I then woudl not take any and that eh then could look
>good offerign me some, knowing I woudl not eat pre-licked
>chocolate pudding:(
>Care to send me a bowl?(UNlicked, please!!:)
>
>Best to you, Gina!
>
>Chloe
>
>
much yourself. :-)
Gina
thing has a mind of its own !!!
I was also going to tell you ...
No way, young lady, that you get any pudding tonight. I saw that tantrum of
yours !! <grin> Actually you do throw a pretty good tantrum. Have you been
hanging around my daughter ??!!!! LOL
Hugs and Smiles,
Gina
(typing real fast, trying to beat that "send" command)
Eleonore Beaudoin
> Wait !!! I wasn't finished. That "send" icon did it again. I think the
> thing has a mind of its own !!!
>
> I was also going to tell you ...
>
> No way, young lady, that you get any pudding tonight. I saw that tantrum of
> yours !! <grin> Actually you do throw a pretty good tantrum. Have you been
> hanging around my daughter ??!!!! LOL
(Holding breath a long long long long time, longer than Gina
can stand the thought of lettign me die in the name of her
selfishly keeping all teh chocolate puddign to hereself).
M-m-m-mommy,
you ain't seen n-n-n-n-nothin' yet!
Arches back so Gina can not pick her up to throw her in her
room, still holding breath, making her body as soft as a rag,
grab-less.
Plays dead with her eyes starrign at ceiling long enough for
Gina to really get to panick a bit.
Then plays delirium comatosis for three months only sayinbg
on a zombie vice "Cho-co-late...pud-ding..."...
Adn whent hat still does not work, pretends to talk in her
nightmarish coma and says "To-pi-a-ry....". That one gets
Gina right in the heart. She melts and has a truuck of cold
chocolate pudding delivered right in the itnensive care room:):)
Miam!!:)
Chloe
> >
Hugs and Smiles, > Gina
> (typing real fast, trying to beat that "send" command)
>
>
> "I wish I could find a good book to live in ...
> Wish I could find a good book ...
> Well if I could find a real good book ...
> I'd never have to come out and look at ...
> What they done to my song ..."
> ---Melanie
>
--
Rainbow Knight
wrote:
> Your poetry is excellent Ric, though I did not
> compliment you on it during all the stresses of
> the last week or more.. I read it.. and I appreciated
> them.. and you have a Ric folder in the poet's corner
> on my computer..
Wow! Are you happy now, Ric?
> Pamela
This is fine, Pamela. I prefer to see you like this,
than as in some instances when you have got upset at
him. Ric is a very good person and I don't like to
see him mistreated, you know.
Be well
Raffaele
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ric
thank you for this Pamela...
some of the things I right may be challenging to read
for anyone actually experiencing the emotion
I try to express
I know it is for me sometimes
when I re-expeience a similar emotion...
something like emotion sickness
on the journey through life
but I feel releasing the emotion
no matter how horrible it feels
is better than holding it in...
and then, often, the words are pure fiction
a story from some inspiration
either within me or observed outside...
and from Stephen King to Dr. Suess
or Hitchcock to Mel Brooks
and so many in between
I love to explore all the emotions I can find or imagine...
and a little recognition i all the food I need
to sustain me another night :)
honest love, ric
PS... the writing is also my way of diffusing stresses :)
Unicorn wrote ...
ric
Eleonore Beaudoin ...
>
>It left me speechless...
>Does that not say it all.......?
>
>He's so good, yould think each word was meant! (laughing so
>madly I discover I have a bit of a belly LOL:))
>
tickle tickle ;)
>I took a big risk and downloaded it on my C drive:)
>Just in case I woudl put the head-vice one too tight or too
>long one day...To remedy to that in no time;-):)
>
it's good to keep the large industrial strength head-vices on hand when I'm
around... but of course you know this :)
>(((((((((((((((((((*Ric*))))))))))))))))))))))))
>
(((((((((((((((((((((((*Chloe*))))))))))))))))))))))))
>Will get to you on a reply to that later if it does not roll
>out of sight (uploading from said C drive woudl nwo make it
>be a risk of nuclear C-drive-wipeout...).
>
take care of that C-drive... wouldn't want to lose ya :)
>For now, just speechless. I am like that when playing humble
>HAHAHAHAHAH, how's that for candor:):) LOL:)
>Hehehehahaahah:) Gawd I am NUTS!! But I enjoy it:)
>Sorry if it inconveniences anyone:)
>
I like you like this... so unfettered and poised and all ;)
>Is it time to leave for work ""yet"?
>Fraid so, or close anyway:(
>
>Oh well, at least I know it might only be for a few more
>weeks....
>(Fingers blue from crossign them so tight snce so many
>years...:))
>
*HUG* and one day at a time... and ten kisses,
one for each of those fingers...
>And Ric?
>(special grateful smile) Thank you for being.......
>
>Chloe
>
you too, precious Chloe :)
it might be called poetry
I just thought it was the truth :)
honest love, ric
>"ric" writes:
<just a little something about Chloe><g>
..
Unicorn
unfortunately.. I have not been able to release to much on the group.. tis
to much negativity at me being a poster.. <that's ok.... the playing works..
and the support to others also>
And Ric.. everyone deserves credit for the creation of their words..
positive to negative that is posted to a support group..
Pamela
"ric" <asl...@REMOVE-CAPS-BEFORE-REPLYegroups.com> wrote in message
news:8644nh$2bv0$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com...
>
> thank you for this Pamela...
> some of the things I right may be challenging to read
> for anyone actually experiencing the emotion
> I try to express
>
> I know it is for me sometimes
> when I re-expeience a similar emotion...
>
> something like emotion sickness
> on the journey through life
>
> but I feel releasing the emotion
> no matter how horrible it feels
> is better than holding it in...
>
> and then, often, the words are pure fiction
> a story from some inspiration
> either within me or observed outside...
> and from Stephen King to Dr. Suess
> or Hitchcock to Mel Brooks
> and so many in between
> I love to explore all the emotions I can find or imagine...
>
> and a little recognition i all the food I need
> to sustain me another night :)
>
> honest love, ric
>
> PS... the writing is also my way of diffusing stresses :)
>
> Unicorn wrote ...
ric
this happened to me in the past - I poured my heart out about my own most
vulnerable real life challenges and I was accused of trying to start trouble or
otherwise challenged for expressing myself...
speaking honestly, from the heart, is a dream here... a dream I share... and
after being away for a year I now posts my personal rhymes and creative words
and imaginary stories and philosophies and opinions much more freely... I
finally understand what freedom with rsponsibility means - being real and true
to self...
there was a time I'd have hesitated sharing my love and admiration for Chloe
simply because she was being misunderstood and abused here and supporting her
would have me labelled troll or whatever... her heart fnally overcame the
prejudice and that's great (like anybody can hold her down for long ;) ... now
I write as I feel with much less restriction...
I'm a relatively peaceful and happy person today who's been through living hell
and lost everthing and survived... so that's what I put into my words... the
journey I've lived and all I've felt andobserved and imagined, idealistic and
pessimistic... and hopefully, I'm understood... if someone misses my point or
creates one of their own, that's their loss...
and I agree with you, everyone deserves credit for the words they post here...
honest love, ric
"Oh, he was the sun burning bright and brittle
And she was the moon shining back his light a little
He was a shooting star, she was softer and more slowly
He could not make things possible but, she could make them holy"
~ Harry Chapin ~
Unicorn wrote in message ...
>and the playing mine.. as well as writing some of my own poems..
>unfortunately.. I have not been able to release to much on the group.. tis
>to much negativity at me being a poster.. <that's ok.... the playing works..
>and the support to others also>
>And Ric.. everyone deserves credit for the creation of their words..
>positive to negative that is posted to a support group..
>Pamela
>"ric" wrote
>> thank you for this Pamela...
>> some of the things I right may be challenging to read
>> for anyone actually experiencing the emotion
>> I try to express
>> I know it is for me sometimes
>> when I re-expeience a similar emotion...
>> something like emotion sickness
>> on the journey through life
>> but I feel releasing the emotion
>> no matter how horrible it feels
>> is better than holding it in...
>> and then, often, the words are pure fiction
>> a story from some inspiration
>> either within me or observed outside...
>> and from Stephen King to Dr. Suess
>> or Hitchcock to Mel Brooks
>> and so many in between
>> I love to explore all the emotions I can find or imagine...
>> and a little recognition i all the food I need
>> to sustain me another night :)
>> honest love, ric
>> PS... the writing is also my way of diffusing stresses :)
>> Unicorn wrote ...
Eleonore Beaudoin
Once I found a prism shining O so bright
Colorful effusions adreaming That One might...
Long was kept emprisoned -glimpsed right out of sight-
Insides out of schisms, kept-in, lonely, white...
>
>
>
>
> Unicorn wrote in message ...
>>> >Your poetry is excellent Ric, though I did not compliment you on it
>>during
>>> >all the stresses of the last week or more.. I read it.. and I appreciated
>>> >them.. and you have a Ric folder in the poet's corner on my computer..
>
>>> >Pamela
>
--
ric
Eleonore Beaudoin wrote
Harry Chapin wrote:
>>"Oh, he was the sun burning bright and brittle
>>And she was the moon shining back his light a little
>>He was a shooting star, she was softer and more slowly
>>He could not make things possible but, she could make them holy"
>> ~ Harry Chapin ~
>
>Once I found a prism shining O so bright
>Colorful effusions adreaming That One might...
>Long was kept emprisoned -glimpsed right out of sight-
>Insides out of schisms, kept-in, lonely, white...
>
Why Do Little Girls? by Harry Chapin
Originally found in Living Room Suite, 1978.
Why did the little girls grow crooked
While the little boys grow tall
The boys were taught to tumble
The girls told not to fall
The girls answered the telephone
The boys answered the call
That's why little girls grew crooked
While the little boys grew tall
Why did the little girls grow crippled
While the little boys grow strong
The boys allowed to come of age
The girls just came along
The girls were told sing harmonies
The boys could all sing songs
That's why little girls grew crippled
While little boys grew strong
Why did the little girls come broken
While the little boys came whole
The little boys were set aflame
The girls told to fan the coals
The boys all told to be themselves
While the girls were told play the roles
That's why little girls came broken
While little boys came whole
Why were the little girls all frightened
To be just what they are
The boys were told to ask themselves
How high how far
The girls were told to reach the shelves
While the boys were reaching stars
That's why little girls were frightened
To be just what they are
And still they bled for us all
As the moon rode the sky
They carried our seed
When our need ran high
They fed all our children
In the night as they cried
Womankind wept
As mankind died
Why were the little girls left hurtin'
When all the boys were done
And the girls left in the moonlight
When the boys went to meet the sun
And when the girls were open
Why had the little all won?
That's why little girls were hurtin'
When the little boys were done
Why did the little girls grow crooked
While the little boys grew tall
It's maybe because the little boys
Didn't ever have to grow up at all
~ Harry Chapin ~
ric
Eleonore Beaudoin wrote
>>
>>"Oh, he was the sun burning bright and brittle
>>And she was the moon shining back his light a little
>>He was a shooting star, she was softer and more slowly
>>He could not make things possible but, she could make them holy"
>> ~ Harry Chapin ~
>
>Once I found a prism shining O so bright
>Colorful effusions adreaming That One might...
>Long was kept emprisoned -glimpsed right out of sight-
>Insides out of schisms, kept-in, lonely, white...
>
"Flowers Are Red" by Harry Chapin
Originally from the album Living Room Suite, 1975
The little boy went first day of school
He got some crayons and started to draw
He put colors all over the paper
For colors was what he saw
And the teacher said...
What you doin' young man?
I'm paintin' flowers he said
She said...
It's not the time for art young man
And anyway flowers are green and red
There's a time for everything young man
And a way it should be done
You've got to show concern for everyone else
For you're not the only one
And she said...
Flowers are red young man
Green leaves are green...
There's no need to see flowers any other way
Than they way they always have been seen
But the little boy said...
There are so many colors in the rainbow
So many colors in the morning sun
So many colors in the flower and I see every one
Well the teacher said...
You're sassy
There's ways that things should be
And you'll paint flowers the way they are
So repeat after me.....
And she said...
Flowers are red young man
Green leaves are green
There's no need to see flowers any other way
Than they way they always have been seen
But the little boy said...
There are so many colors in the rainbow
So many colors in the morning sun
So many colors in the flower
and I see every one
The teacher put him in a corner
She said...
It's for your own good...
And you won't come out 'til you get it right
And all responding like you should...
Well finally he got lonely
Frightened thoughts filled his head
And he went up to the teacher
And this is what he said...
and he said
Flowers are red...
green leaves are green...
There's no need to see flowers any other way
Than the way they always have been seen
Well time went by like it always does
And they moved to another town
And the little boy went to another school
And this is what he found
The teacher there was smilin'
She said...Painting should be fun
And there are so many colors in a flower
So let's use every one...
But... that little boy painted flowers
In neat rows of green and red
And when the teacher asked him why
This is what he said...
and he said
Flowers are red...
green leaves are green...
There's no need to see flowers any other way
Than the way they always have been seen.
....
but there still must be a way
to hear our children say...
there are so many colours in a rainbow
so many colours in the morning sun
so many colours in a flower...
and I see every one...
~ Harry Chapin ~
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