I Loooove My Daughter! Advice please?
richard...@gmail.com
fun so that she enjoys it when she starts dating. In other words I
want to sleep with her, but in a loving way not just force her into
it. Does anybody have any advice on the best way to do this?
Thanks.
Don Quixote
First I commend you for taking the initiative on this. A lot of fathers
take the easy "legally safe" way out and just don't get involved. Also
don't loose track of your goal here, its not to have your own
sex-slave/child, but to insure that she realizes her healthy sexual
self, and of course you can get a lot of enjoyment from being the
teacher/mentor.
As far as the details, I can only say what I would do in the same situation.
First I would sit my daughter down and have a good talk with her about
the goals that I wanted to help her reach. I would explain that if she
heightens her sexual senses and experiences some of the sexual pleasures
that she will be more sexually compatible with her future male
companion, and she will be more willing and eager to engage in sex with
him anytime he wants and needs it. In short by the strict adherence to
my instruction she will become the perfect sexual companion for whomever
she wants to share her life with.
I would get her to commit to that goal and to following my instructions.
I would start by explaining about the role of masturbation in getting
her more at ease about sexual feelings. I would tell her I want to have
regular daily sessions with her to help her get started, plus she should
set up at least one other time in the day where she should religiously
practice these things by herself (perhaps setting an alarm on her
wristwatch) wherever she happens to be at that time.
Later I would ask her to tell me about those times when she was
shopping, at school, or in public and how she was able to do her ritual
masturbation on schedule.
In those sessions with me I would ask her to wear a tee shirt with no
bra and a short skirt. She should start by slowly scratching around
both her nipples through her tee shirt with the middle fingernails of
each hand. The object is for her to get and keep her nipples erect for
a preset time (five to ten minutes using a timer).
As she is doing this and she starts feeling the sensations I would
explain that it sometimes helps to "lick the air" with her tongue, and
that her clit may also need to be occasionally fingered.
After she has done this for a couple sessions and is really starting to
get into it, I would ask that when her nipples are erect if I could suck
on them a little. Or while she was standing and stimulating her nipples
if I could run my hand from behind through her legs and rub her crotch.
I would also suggest that occasionally while she is stimulating her
nipples or fingering her clit with one hand that she might enjoy holding
on to my cock with her other hand. I would also tell her that having
her clit licked feels really good and that I would really enjoy doing it
to her. And that I also enjoy having my cock sucked on. And of course
we could both enjoy 69.
if things went well I could look forward to many mutual masturbation and
oral sessions with my daughter. However I would wait till she demanded
it from me before I would actually fuck her.
Hopefully with all this training she would become somewhat addicted to
sex and would fully express that in her life with those around her.
Anyway, I hope things go well for you and your daughter.
DonQuixote169 at Yahoo dot Com
Bree
She's 15 and hasn't had sex yet?!
Bree
richard...@gmail.com
try! Do you have any photos or more anecdotes as examples of your
techniques? Please send them to me if you do.
Just another thought, should I maybe bring porn (mainstream stuff, not
anything unusual) and/or alcohol into the mix? Does anyone have any
experience with these as far as helping to lose any inhibitions?
Yes bree, so far she's been very well-behaved, now I would like to see
her be "naughty"!
Scorpio, thanks for your advice. I certainly have no intention of
impregnating her or ruining her life, just showing her in a loving and
caring way that sex can be extremely pleasurable and that its not just
just all about her date shooting his load in her.
Thanks everyone, keep the advice coming, any more would be a great
help.
bobandcarole..
My best advice would be to take a large
kitchen knife and shove it in your heart.
A. Paul Ing
<<>>On May 21, 11:13?am, richardahag...@gmail.com wrote:
<<>>> I want to teach my 15 y.o. daughter in a practical way that sex can be
<<>>> fun so that she enjoys it when she starts dating. In other words I
<<>>> want to sleep with her, but in a loving way not just force her into
<<>>> it. Does anybody have any advice on the best way to do this?
<<>>> Thanks.
<<>>
nudist_emy
wrote:
the usual mentally defective response from the bad meat known as bob.
i sure hope bobs gene line ends with him. if bob spends more than 10
seconds within 10 feet of a child, the child is being abused. bob,
garden shears or a hedge trimmer will do a great testiclectomy.
Tynk
Bullshit removed:
> Your name is not TYNK is it?
I don't have a 15 yr old kid, dumbass.
I don't have a wanker, I'm not gay, I don't have sex with family
members, and this loser that is cross posting this crap to your groups
is nothing more than a dancing monkey puppet.
He loves attention by saying big bad things about people ( said in a
smartass tone with boo boo lip), trying to piss them off.
He can't tick me off, as I think of him as, well...nothing more than a
childish moron who has his brains scrambled back in the Vietnam
war. Probably from killing too many woman and children, or maybe his
duties were cleaning the toliets and the fumes fried what brains he
left. Maybe it was all the drugs. Who knows and who cares.
S_MacCloud
> On May 21, 11:13?am, richardahag...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I want to teach my 15 y.o. daughter in a practical way that sex can be
> > fun so that she enjoys it when she starts dating. In other words I
> > want to sleep with her, but in a loving way not just force her into
> > it. Does anybody have any advice on the best way to do this?
> > Thanks.
>
While she's sleeping, straddle her shoulders and jerk off into face.
But pump your dick 1000 times in the hall first, so that when you straddle
her you can just pull her by her hair and say "wake up sweetie and open your
mouth".
That oughta teach her what lover is all about...
A. Paul Ing
their buddy TYNK showed them that..pretty dam perverted if yo ask me,
but then again what do you expect for a couple of "chuite packers"
alt.va...@hotmail.com
appreciate being able to use our newsgroup again for ontopic
discussion. Thank you.
R. Steve Walz
Ask her if she wants to. If she doesn't then leave her the hell alone.
Steve
bobandcarole
Paul yanked tynks tranny chain again...LOL
bobandcarole
> grandfather)? Bob has no chance of reproducing (thank God!), not that "he"
> is capable of reproduction, anyway, so no worries. But bob's fear of sex
> (and equating sex with abuse) will keep him far, far from parenthood.
Congratulations kiddiefucker.
It's amazing how much you can write defending the indefensible.
A. Paul Ing
<bobandc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<<>>On Jul 9, 11:25?am, Tynk <TY...@aol.com> wrote: <<Tranny TYNK
Give it up TYNK, and I am not referring to your tranny ass either!
rec.a...@hotmail.com
bobandcarole
Did tynker bell hire you vampy?
bobandcarole
rec.a...@hotmail.com
Alt.Va...@hotmail.com
W. E. Fred Wallace
Please remove rec.models.rockets from replies to this spamthread. We
A. Paul Ing
Hi Freddie old BOI!
bobandcarole..
No
bobandcarole
>
> - Show quoted text -
You're an idiot. A moron of the highest order. You're so stupid it's
a
wonder you can remember to breath. Intelligent ideas bounce off your
head as
if it were coated with teflon. Creative thoughts take alternate
transportation in order to avoid even being in the same state as you.
If you
had an original thought it would die of loneliness before the hour was
out.
On an intelligence scale of 1 to 10 (10 corresponding to the highest
attainable IQ) you're rating is so far into negative numbers that one
would
need to travel into another quantum reality in order to even catch a
distant
glimpse of it.
Wonderer
"bobandcarole" <bobandc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184169953.8...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
say's the mirror on the wall
>
bob&carole
> "bobandcarole" <bobandcarol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
You are a fiend and a coward. You are degenerate,
noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing
you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish
you would kill yourself and do the world a favor.
R. Steve Walz
Nawh, you're just a little doggie who was brainwashed by abuse, like
a little doggie who was beaten after a bell was rung, you have become
terrified of all bells or even things that only sound a little like
bells.
You're not actually "debased" or "despise" or whatever, you were
trained by parental abuse done to you as a child to be ashamed and
embarrassed about anything sexual, especially regarding children,
and so now when we talk about it you get so embarrassed and red-faced
that you want to klll us all before we bring the big bad mommie with
a stick to beat you again!
Steve
Wonderer
"bob&carole" <bobandc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184179849.5...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
don't tell me about you'r ilness, seek mental health workers asap, you need
a spell in the looney bin
>
>
>
bobandcarole
> bobandcarole.. wrote:
> > On May 21, 11:13?am, richardahag...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> I want to teach my 15 y.o. daughter in a practical way that sex can be
> >> fun so that she enjoys it when she starts dating. In other words I
> >> want to sleep with her, but in a loving way not just force her into
> >> it. Does anybody have any advice on the best way to do this?
> >> Thanks.
>
> > My best advice would be to take a large
> > kitchen knife and shove it in your heart.
>
You are correct..next......
>
> He loves his daughter and wants to help her overcome her natural fear of
> sex. A little instruction couldn't hurt. Then she won't be such a cold
> fish when she has sex with that special someone.
>
> After all, who taught you?
Not a fucking pedophile...
Wonderer
"bobandcarole" <bobandc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184209473.6...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
you shure of that, it sounds like you were caut raping a little boy
>
>
bobandcarole
> "bobandcarole" <bobandcarol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
No it doesn't Jethro
Wonderer
just shows how little this child killer knows, he doesn't know my name
>
>
bobandcarole
May I see your moderators credentials?
bobandcarole
Idiot fits you perfectly
Wonderer
you hold that title, i don't
>
>
>
bobandcarole
> "bobandcarole" <bobandcarole...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
LOL sorry. wrong again
Wonderer
nope
>
>
bobandcarole
You're a pedophile, you are always wrong
>
>
>
> - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
ScottyFLL
> 62ar.com <->
> 4
>
>
> 4
That's a lot of writing just to say that Blob is fat and stupid!
ScottyFLL
I do not think he has any.
Sniper.308
Bob is foraging again! He's a mouth peice and a forager! He has no
creditability!
I will visit Bob this summer. People at AOL are very helpful.
LOL
A. Paul Ing
this was Vampie.
Oh, pocket rocket I see. Sorry Fred, the quota for this month is full,
ask again next month or submit a RFD to BIG 8 board.
ThePsyko
heard cry out in news:1179760418.748528.77500
@y2g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> I want to teach my 15 y.o. daughter in a practical way that sex can be
> fun so that she enjoys it when she starts dating. In other words I
> want to sleep with her, but in a loving way not just force her into
> it. Does anybody have any advice on the best way to do this?
> Thanks.
>
>
Incest can have serious long-term effects on its victims. One study
concluded that among the survivors of incest who were victimized by
their mothers, 60 percent (60%) of the women had eating disorders as
did one-fourth (25%) of the men. Of the 93 women and nine men included
in this study, 80 percent (80%) of the women and all of the men
reported sexual problems in their adult life. In addition, almost two-
thirds of the women stated that they never or rarely went to the
doctor or the dentist as the examination was too terrifying for them.
Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) -- which includes amnesia,
nightmares and flashbacks -- also remains prevalent among incest
survivors (Vanderbilt, 1992). Additionally, there is research which
indicates that children who have been sexually abused by a relative
suffers from even more intense guilt and shame, low self-esteem,
depression and self-destructive behavior (such as substance abuse,
sexual promiscuity and prostitution) than children who have been
sexually assaulted by a stranger (Matsakis, 1991).
In a study of male survivors of child sexual abuse, over 80 percent
(80%) had a history of substance abuse, 50 percent (50%) had suicidal
thoughts, 23 percent (23%) attempted suicide, and almost 70 percent
(70%) received psychological treatment. Thirty-one percent (31%) had
violently victimized others. (Lisak, 1994.)
IOW, if you truely loved your daughter, you wouldn't even think of having
sex with her.
--
ThePsyko
Public Enemy #7
**Pissing off the planet, one person at a time**
Fast Larry
> Please remove rec.models.rockets from replies to this spamthread. We
> would
> appreciate being able to use our newsgroup again for ontopic
> discussion. Thank you.
Hi W.E.
In the past I have had several models riding my rocket.
Until we cross paths again,
Fuck you, Sir
Fast Larry Guninger
A. Paul Ing
Don Quixote
emotions that don't really apply) end up making a message that really is
just a big lie. Below I will replace those words and point out those
generalizations to show that the message has very little to say.
ThePsyko wrote:
> On 21 May 2007 I stormed the castle called alt.hackers.malicious and
> heard cry out in news:1179760418.748528.77500
> @y2g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>> I want to teach my 15 y.o. daughter in a practical way that sex can be
>> fun so that she enjoys it when she starts dating. In other words I
>> want to sleep with her, but in a loving way not just force her into
>> it. Does anybody have any advice on the best way to do this?
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
> Incest can have serious long-term effects on its victims. One study
Note that only participants of Non-consensual Incest are truly "victims"
so this study must only be about that type of incest (i.e. Rape)
> concluded that among the survivors of [Non-consensual] incest who were victimized by
> their mothers, 60 percent (60%) of the women had eating disorders as
> did one-fourth (25%) of the men. Of the 93 women and nine men included
> in this study, 80 percent (80%) of the women and all of the men
> reported sexual problems in their adult life.
The study should have also included the percentage of "Normal" men and
women that have sexual problems in their adult life. Those are people
that have been screwed up by having the Political Correct Majority's
version of "Normal" forced on them.
> In addition, almost two-
> thirds of the women stated that they never or rarely went to the
> doctor or the dentist as the examination was too terrifying for them.
Is this because they feared that their personal/sexual lives would also
be examined and compared to the PCM's approved live style.
> Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) -- which includes amnesia,
PTSD only applies to actual TRAUMA such as Rape. Pleasant sexual
experiences from someone close do not have this effect.
> nightmares and flashbacks -- also remains prevalent among incest
> survivors (Vanderbilt, 1992). Additionally, there is research which
> indicates that children who have been sexually abused by a relative
(i.e. raped, not just consensual sex). Note that the reaction of others
and of the "authorities", including the intense pressure to accept the
role of "victim" or to admit guilt to being part of the evil problem,
does result in TRAUMA that could later lead to PTSD.
> suffers from even more intense guilt and shame, low self-esteem,
> depression and self-destructive behavior (such as substance abuse,
> sexual promiscuity and prostitution) than children who have been
> sexually assaulted by a stranger (Matsakis, 1991).
>
> In a study of male survivors of child sexual abuse
[read "rape" not consensual sex]
> over 80 percent
> (80%) had a history of substance abuse, 50 percent (50%) had suicidal
> thoughts, 23 percent (23%) attempted suicide, and almost 70 percent
> (70%) received psychological treatment. Thirty-one percent (31%) had
> violently victimized others. (Lisak, 1994.)
>
>
> IOW, if you truely loved your daughter, you wouldn't even think of having
> sex with her.
>
Obviously you associate sex with the taking of pleasure for yourself at
others expense (perhaps you should see a psychiatrist about this before
you hurt the ones you love). If you associated sex with the giving of
pleasure to others it would be obvious that if you loved your daughter
that you would want to give her gifts of pleasure and intimacy.
DonQuixote169 at Yahoo dot Com
ThePsyko
Don Quixote cry out in
news:%ouli.6313$rR....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> The use of Generalizations, and tainted words (with extra meanings and
> emotions that don't really apply) end up making a message that really
> is just a big lie. Below I will replace those words and point out
> those generalizations to show that the message has very little to say.
>
> ThePsyko wrote:
>> On 21 May 2007 I stormed the castle called alt.hackers.malicious and
>> heard cry out in news:1179760418.748528.77500
>> @y2g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> I want to teach my 15 y.o. daughter in a practical way that sex can
>>> be fun so that she enjoys it when she starts dating. In other words
>>> I want to sleep with her, but in a loving way not just force her
>>> into it. Does anybody have any advice on the best way to do this?
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>> Incest can have serious long-term effects on its victims. One study
>
> Note that only participants of Non-consensual Incest are truly
> "victims" so this study must only be about that type of incest (i.e.
> Rape)
So those children that "consent" to it because they know that they really
have no choice but to submit to their parents wishes, despite how they
really feel about it, are not victims? Children have a need to be loved
by their parents - many of them will do whatever it takes (at a young age
anyway) to keep that "love" - even if it means doing things they don't
like. For a 5 or 6 year old, the unspoken choice of "get naked or you
won't be loved" isn't much of a choice, is it?
>
>> concluded that among the survivors of [Non-consensual] incest who
>> were victimized by their mothers, 60 percent (60%) of the women had
>> eating disorders as did one-fourth (25%) of the men. Of the 93 women
>> and nine men included in this study, 80 percent (80%) of the women
>> and all of the men reported sexual problems in their adult life.
> The study should have also included the percentage of "Normal" men and
> women that have sexual problems in their adult life. Those are people
> that have been screwed up by having the Political Correct Majority's
> version of "Normal" forced on them.
So all sexual problems are caused by having somebody elses version of
"normal" being forced on them?
>
>> In addition, almost two-
>> thirds of the women stated that they never or rarely went to the
>> doctor or the dentist as the examination was too terrifying for them.
>
> Is this because they feared that their personal/sexual lives would
> also be examined and compared to the PCM's approved live style.
That seems like quite a reach - I'm not sure how you got there, but that
wasn't addressed from what I read.
Of course I don't know of anybody who is afraid that their dentist is
going to even ASK about their sex life, much less pass judgement on it.
>
>> Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) -- which includes amnesia,
> PTSD only applies to actual TRAUMA such as Rape. Pleasant sexual
> experiences from someone close do not have this effect.
It is possible to have "pleasant sexual experiences" physically while
still being negatively affected mentally and emotionally. That seems to
be one aspect that I don't see addressed often by the 'pro child/adult
sex' crowd. Of course physical sexual sensations are pleasant (usually)
- but that can just add to the childs confusion about the entire
situation.
>
>> nightmares and flashbacks -- also remains prevalent among incest
>> survivors (Vanderbilt, 1992). Additionally, there is research which
>> indicates that children who have been sexually abused by a relative
>
> (i.e. raped, not just consensual sex). Note that the reaction of
> others and of the "authorities", including the intense pressure to
> accept the role of "victim" or to admit guilt to being part of the
> evil problem, does result in TRAUMA that could later lead to PTSD.
typical pedo blather. "it's all their fault for MAKING her a victim -
all I did was fuck her and she loved it." To some extent, and in some
cases, I do not doubt that to be true, but to say it is the reason,
period, is irresponsible IMO
>
>> suffers from even more intense guilt and shame, low self-esteem,
>> depression and self-destructive behavior (such as substance abuse,
>> sexual promiscuity and prostitution) than children who have been
>> sexually assaulted by a stranger (Matsakis, 1991).
>>
>> In a study of male survivors of child sexual abuse
>
> [read "rape" not consensual sex]
No, read "child sexual abuse". Had they meant rape, I'm sure they would
have said "rape".
>
> > over 80 percent
>> (80%) had a history of substance abuse, 50 percent (50%) had suicidal
>> thoughts, 23 percent (23%) attempted suicide, and almost 70 percent
>> (70%) received psychological treatment. Thirty-one percent (31%) had
>> violently victimized others. (Lisak, 1994.)
>>
>>
>> IOW, if you truely loved your daughter, you wouldn't even think of
>> having sex with her.
>>
>
> Obviously you associate sex with the taking of pleasure for yourself
> at others expense (perhaps you should see a psychiatrist about this
> before you hurt the ones you love).
obviously you suffer from the same problem as Steve Walz -
overgeneralization and the making of assumptions to suit your position.
> If you associated sex with the
> giving of pleasure to others it would be obvious that if you loved
> your daughter that you would want to give her gifts of pleasure and
> intimacy.
In an age appropriate way, sure.
R. Steve Walz
>
> On 12 Jul 2007 I stormed the castle called alt.support.incest and heard
> Don Quixote cry out in
> news:%ouli.6313$rR....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> > The use of Generalizations, and tainted words (with extra meanings and
> > emotions that don't really apply) end up making a message that really
> > is just a big lie. Below I will replace those words and point out
> > those generalizations to show that the message has very little to say.
> >
> > ThePsyko wrote:
> >> On 21 May 2007 I stormed the castle called alt.hackers.malicious and
> >> heard cry out in news:1179760418.748528.77500
> >> @y2g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >>> I want to teach my 15 y.o. daughter in a practical way that sex can
> >>> be fun so that she enjoys it when she starts dating. In other words
> >>> I want to sleep with her, but in a loving way not just force her
> >>> into it. Does anybody have any advice on the best way to do this?
> >>> Thanks.
> >
> >> Incest can have serious long-term effects on its victims. One study
> >
> > Note that only participants of Non-consensual Incest are truly
> > "victims" so this study must only be about that type of incest (i.e.
> > Rape)
>
> So those children that "consent" to it because they know that they really
> have no choice but to submit to their parents wishes, despite how they
> really feel about it, are not victims?
If they are not avidly enthused, then they did NOT consent. A decent
parent does NOT blackmail their child into anything they don't want
by threatening something else of theirs. That's CHILD ABUSE!!
> Children have a need to be loved
> by their parents - many of them will do whatever it takes (at a young age
> anyway) to keep that "love" - even if it means doing things they don't
> like. For a 5 or 6 year old, the unspoken choice of "get naked or you
> won't be loved" isn't much of a choice, is it?
-------------------------------
It's rape, it's NOT consensual, and it's nothing *I'M* talking about.
> >> concluded that among the survivors of [Non-consensual] incest who
> >> were victimized by their mothers, 60 percent (60%) of the women had
> >> eating disorders as did one-fourth (25%) of the men. Of the 93 women
> >> and nine men included in this study, 80 percent (80%) of the women
> >> and all of the men reported sexual problems in their adult life.
> >
> > The study should have also included the percentage of "Normal" men and
> > women that have sexual problems in their adult life. Those are people
> > that have been screwed up by having the Political Correct Majority's
> > version of "Normal" forced on them.
>
> So all sexual problems are caused by having somebody elses version of
> "normal" being forced on them?
----------------------------------
Since there is NO "natural" normal, that is inevitable.
If a new cultural script is an improvement, what's the difference?
> >> In addition, almost two-
> >> thirds of the women stated that they never or rarely went to the
> >> doctor or the dentist as the examination was too terrifying for them.
> >
> > Is this because they feared that their personal/sexual lives would
> > also be examined and compared to the PCM's approved live style.
>
> That seems like quite a reach - I'm not sure how you got there, but that
> wasn't addressed from what I read.
-------------------------------
It was a simple and obvious question that would need to be answered
before the methogology of the study is sealed and made available.
> Of course I don't know of anybody who is afraid that their dentist is
> going to even ASK about their sex life, much less pass judgement on it.
----------------------
REALLY? You don't have much foresight psychologically, do you?
> >> Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) -- which includes amnesia,
> > PTSD only applies to actual TRAUMA such as Rape. Pleasant sexual
> > experiences from someone close do not have this effect.
>
> It is possible to have "pleasant sexual experiences" physically while
> still being negatively affected mentally and emotionally. That seems to
> be one aspect that I don't see addressed often by the 'pro child/adult
> sex' crowd. Of course physical sexual sensations are pleasant (usually)
> - but that can just add to the childs confusion about the entire
> situation.
--------------------------------------
It is seldom possible to have pleasant experiences when being
terrified, harmed or tortured.
However it is QUITE normal to experience pleasure and even orgasm from
being raped without being terrified or harmed or tortured. Rape that
is NOT battery, is only sexual assault, is an affront to the Xtian
antisexuality brainwwshed into most women in this culture. Women of
this culture typically have secret fantasies of being raped, and they
react to being forced to have sex in a similar fashion, even though
they are horrified that they feel pleasure from it. They may actually
have the most powerful orgasms of their life from rape, even if they
didn't have any from intercourse prior to that! This is quite confusing
for them, who then worry why they reacted in such a "slutty" manner,
and it becomes a fear-fascination, them sort of wishing it could happen
again if only to experience the thrill and orgasm at that intensity
again, and some actually do try to find their attacker romantically!
> >> nightmares and flashbacks -- also remains prevalent among incest
> >> survivors (Vanderbilt, 1992). Additionally, there is research which
> >> indicates that children who have been sexually abused by a relative
> >
> > (i.e. raped, not just consensual sex). Note that the reaction of
> > others and of the "authorities", including the intense pressure to
> > accept the role of "victim" or to admit guilt to being part of the
> > evil problem, does result in TRAUMA that could later lead to PTSD.
>
> typical pedo blather.
------------------------
No, it isn't. Whether you grasp it or not, actual pedophiles have
nothing of interest to say to people like you. They couldn't care
less. Actual pedophiles are fixated and couldn't be bothered with you.
All you've been talking to around here are sexual freedom advocates.
> "it's all their fault for MAKING her a victim -
> all I did was fuck her and she loved it." To some extent, and in some
> cases, I do not doubt that to be true, but to say it is the reason,
> period, is irresponsible IMO
-------------------------------
If you're partner loves sex, that *IS* a good reason to fuck her.
If you don't grasp that you need your head examined (or your dick!)
And statutory rape laws are going away, little by little. France has
virtually eliminated them, and Canada lowered their consent law in
1989 to 14, and to 12 for sex with 13 and 14 year olds. Statutory
rape law tries to make a consenting partner into an involuntary
accuser, and that's ridiculous and inhumane to kids AND their lovers!
> >> suffers from even more intense guilt and shame, low self-esteem,
> >> depression and self-destructive behavior (such as substance abuse,
> >> sexual promiscuity and prostitution) than children who have been
> >> sexually assaulted by a stranger (Matsakis, 1991).
> >>
> >> In a study of male survivors of child sexual abuse
> >
> > [read "rape" not consensual sex]
>
> No, read "child sexual abuse". Had they meant rape, I'm sure they would
> have said "rape".
---------------------------------
No, rape, because for those to even come to the attention of the
authorities means that it was involuntary, people don't tell on
their lovers.
> > > over 80 percent
> >> (80%) had a history of substance abuse, 50 percent (50%) had suicidal
> >> thoughts, 23 percent (23%) attempted suicide, and almost 70 percent
> >> (70%) received psychological treatment. Thirty-one percent (31%) had
> >> violently victimized others. (Lisak, 1994.)
> >>
> >>
> >> IOW, if you truely loved your daughter, you wouldn't even think of
> >> having sex with her.
> >>
> >
> > Obviously you associate sex with the taking of pleasure for yourself
> > at others expense (perhaps you should see a psychiatrist about this
> > before you hurt the ones you love).
>
> obviously you suffer from the same problem as Steve Walz -
> overgeneralization and the making of assumptions to suit your position.
-----------------------------
He's right, though, you have a perp-victim model for sexuality!!
Your notion is that sex is about "taking", which is sick!
> > If you associated sex with the
> > giving of pleasure to others it would be obvious that if you loved
> > your daughter that you would want to give her gifts of pleasure and
> > intimacy.
>
> In an age appropriate way, sure.
---------------------------
Is sex appropriate for a 15 year old woman with a big hairy pussy and
C-cup tits?? Canada and Mexico think it is, and I think so, in fact
it is for anyone sexually developed enough to WANT it!
Steve
W. E. Fred Wallace
You would not want to cross paths with me with that type of language,
ever..
fastla...@bellsouth.net
>
> - Show quoted text -
I have a 17th degree blackbelt in Karate and Hapkido and a brown belt
origami. My hands are registered as deadly weapons in 49 of the 50
U.S. States (fuck Rhode Island).
Fuck with me, you might live to regret it. Your choice, Fred.
Wonderer
you are posting in this, therefore you are a paedophile, by tou'r own
definition
and i am not wrong
trippy
took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...
> On 12 Jul 2007 I stormed the castle called alt.support.incest and heard
> Don Quixote cry out in
> news:%ouli.6313$rR....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> >
> > Note that only participants of Non-consensual Incest are truly
> > "victims" so this study must only be about that type of incest (i.e.
> > Rape)
>
> So those children that "consent" to it because they know that they really
> have no choice but to submit to their parents wishes, despite how they
> really feel about it, are not victims?
Children can't legally give consent.
--
trippy
mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM
NP: "So She's Leaving" -- The Trews
"What did I tell the kid. It's about how hard you can get hit,
and keep moving forward. It's about how much you can take,
and keep moving forward. Get up."
-- Sylvester Stallone "Rocky Balboa"
R. Steve Walz
>
> In article <Xns996B81AFE2...@nntp.petitmorte.net>, ThePsyko
> took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...
>
> > On 12 Jul 2007 I stormed the castle called alt.support.incest and heard
> > Don Quixote cry out in
> > news:%ouli.6313$rR....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >
>
> > >
> > > Note that only participants of Non-consensual Incest are truly
> > > "victims" so this study must only be about that type of incest (i.e.
> > > Rape)
> >
> > So those children that "consent" to it because they know that they really
> > have no choice but to submit to their parents wishes, despite how they
> > really feel about it, are not victims?
>
> Children can't legally give consent.
But in actual fact they can, and:
"The law is an ass!" - Mark Twain
Steve
Sniper .308
bobandcarole
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:39:48 -0700, "Sniper.308"
>
>
> Another Blob forgery
Nope
Sniper .308
you forgot to get a new email address for your latest forgeries
Don Quixote
> In article <Xns996B81AFE2...@nntp.petitmorte.net>, ThePsyko
> took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...
>
>> On 12 Jul 2007 I stormed the castle called alt.support.incest and heard
>> Don Quixote cry out
>>
>
>>> "victims" so this study must only be about that type of incest (i.e.
>>> Rape)
>> So those children that "consent" to it because they know that they really
>> have no choice but to submit to their parents wishes, despite how they
>> really feel about it, are not victims?
Why would children, who watch others enjoying sex, not want to
eventually join in? Initially the parents might try to coax the child
into trying something that they are sure the child will eventually
enjoy. But obviously all of this activity has to be a level and rate
that the child feels comfortable with so that the child does not
experience any trama.
The bottom line though is that any adult/child interaction HAS TO BE FOR
THE CHILD'S BENEFIT and pleasure, not for the enjoyment of the adult.
>
>
> Children can't legally give consent.
>
We all have rights, including self ownership, that come from the fact
that we have a mind capable of independent thought, which ultimately
controls our bodies. This is true regardless of what the Law says or
what age the person is. It is only necessary for the person to realize
that they have this control and for them to ASSERT their independence.
A child disobeying their parents and choosing to have sex with an adult
is just such an assertion of independence (a child's refusal to have sex
with a parent, is another).
But with the "Law" stating that the "Child can't legally give consent"
it is enforcing the Legal System's and/or parents OWNERSHIP of the child
in direct conflict with child's self ownership.
Now it does make complete sense for the legal system to define the Rules
of Liability of such a child/adult relationship so that the adult is
alway responsible if things don't work out ( pregnancy, STD's, emotional
problems requiring treatment, etc.). The child may not be aware of some
of these potential problems while the adult must be.
bobandcarole
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:57:30 -0700, bobandcarole
>
> >On Jul 12, 9:37?pm, Sniper .308 <m...@my.desk> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:39:48 -0700, "Sniper.308"
>
> >> <Sniper....@budweiser.com> wrote:
>
> >> Another Blob forgery
>
> >Nope
>
> you forgot to get a new email address for your latest forgeries
It's summer, cappy. When are you going to arrive on my door step?
ROTF!
"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308
Sniper .308
<bobandc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>It's summer, cappy. When are you going to arrive on my door step?
>ROTF!
Soon enough Blobby.
ROTF because he is fat to get off it
4s00th
<emp...@wanderer64.com> wrote:
>bobandcarole wrote:
>> On Jul 11, 9:14?pm, Mike LaLonde <empe...@wanderer64.com> wrote:
>>> bobandcarole.. wrote:
>>>> On May 21, 11:13?am, richardahag...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> I want to teach my 15 y.o. daughter in a practical way that sex can be
>>>>> fun so that she enjoys it when she starts dating. In other words I
>>>>> want to sleep with her, but in a loving way not just force her into
>>>>> it. Does anybody have any advice on the best way to do this?
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>> My best advice would be to take a large
>>>> kitchen knife and shove it in your heart.
>>> You sick fuck, advocating murder just because someone asked a question.
>>
>> You are correct..next......
>
>So you would kill somebody just because of something they say? What are
>you, some kind of Communist?
Hey, he thinks he should kill me just because I have desires that I
didn't want and deal with daily not to act upon and ask other like
myself for help and offer to help others like myself so that we can
all deal with these desires without becoming child molesters.
Not that he has the balls to do it himself.
>>> He loves his daughter and wants to help her overcome her natural fear of
>>> sex. A little instruction couldn't hurt. Then she won't be such a cold
>>> fish when she has sex with that special someone.
>>>
>>> After all, who taught you?
>>
>> Not a fucking pedophile...
>
>He loves his daughter and wants to teach her the ways of the world.
>What is so wrong about that?
The fact that his daughter is 15 and may feel victimized by such
events is a significant problem -- but then, she may also be old
enough to politely say no or even enjoy it. Who can say? But it does
violate laws in many parts of the world -- if not because of age, then
because of incest. In short, it's a risk that I would take, and one
that I would discourage others from taking.
4s00th
Borked Pseudo Mailed
> Hey, he thinks he should kill me just because I have desires that I
> didn't want and deal with daily
Hanging out in public forums defending perversion beneath contempt isn't
"dealing" with with anything you revisionist shagwit, it's called
enabling. If you were "dealing" with it you wouldn't be here.
Fast Larry
wrote:
THESE ARE ALL FRAUD POST AND NOT FROM THE REAL FAST LARRY.....
To the misguided person who is attacking me, which is normally Debra
Li and or Eric T Hu 99% of the time, who are internet partners in
stalking and attacking people, I wish for there to be peace between us
now. If you have slandered my name unjustly, posted untrue made up
lies, slanders and libels, I pray some day you shall realize that is
wrong and stop. If you have stolen my name, identity and are posting
lies framing me, that is evil and I pray some day you realize that as
well and never do this again towards me or any one else. I pray for
you find peace and learn to turn the other cheek as I now do to you.
I pray you learn to go through a day with out revenge or hatred in
your heart. Who appointed you as the pool Spanish Inquisitor? You
have no right to attack or question me, or any one else. No body has
to answer a single one of your lies or UN just attacks. Every one has
learned, to just ignore you both.
Hatred is only ended by love, Buddha. You must recognize that only a
very sick stalker continues to attack an innocent person for five
years. It is time you stop. Take down your museum and web site of
hate and all made up lies you spent over 100 hours putting up for the
sole purpose to destroy me with. Ask your self, what kind of a person
does such a thing. Do normal people do this?
I do not care if you wish to keep this insanity going on; you only
prove to the world that you are insane by doing it daily. I do not
care if you have stolen my name, pic, handle and identity and posted
in my name over 2,000 times on all the chat boards and 500 times on
RSB in June 2005 alone. You just proved to the world that you are, a
thief, both of you are criminals with no morals and both major big
time liars. You condemned your self and ended any creditability you
might have had with that campaign. Only a total moron would ever
believe you again after that crap.
Nobody believes a word you print as it has all been nothing but made
up untrue lies, slanders and libels with the intent to injure me and
eliminate my ability to earn a living and support my family which
crosses a line and is very evil. Every one here has your number and
has plonked and blocked you long ago. Nobody even see's your messages
of hate and lies. If they do, this dismiss them, as they long ago
dismissed yu, hu and his whittle pal tu tu. So it's on to better
things for me and I bid you adieu, ciao amico mios and tat a toot ta
loo loo tu yu both. You tu need to stop acting like little kids,
grown up and put an end to this madness and move on with your lives
and end your vendetta's of hate and revenge. Let it go, let it ride,
learn to contribute on these boards, not spread evil and hate. Go
into my sites and you see nothing but good will and me helping other
players to better games. That is what I am all about, helping other
players. Doctor FL, phd.
"Fast Larry" Guninger
www.poolchat.net
www.fastlarrypool.com
ThePsyko
@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> The child may not be aware of some
> of these potential problems...
exactly. Therefore the child is unable to give fully informed consent.
Granted, I don't doubt there are some older children out there who both
want sex with older people, and who are capable of giving informed
consent, but the majority of children are not. To put many in harms way
in order to satisfy a few is irresponsible IMO.
4s00th
No, not only am I dealing with it -- I'm encouraging others to deal
with their own desires without harming others and seeking the same
kind of support from others who have to deal with such.
As for defending perversion -- well, I guess that's in the eye of the
beholder. I don't care. I don't judge people by what turns them on --
something that they don't even choose but discover the same way we
discover what foods we like, the colors we prefer, the talents we have
and the things that we like to do. I prefer not to judge people at
all, but if I must, I do it by how they choose to behave -- that's the
only way to determine whether someone is good and just or bad.
And one of the ways I choose to behave is to offer others who have
similar problems to mine support so that they, too, can deal with them
without harming others. I remind people that they must take
responsibility for their own decisions and actions; that they cannot
claim to love someone and then abuse them or take advantage of them;
that feelings are not chosen, not good nor bad, but actions are.
I don't excuse anyone or enable anyone -- not even myself. Especially
not myself.
But tell me, Mr Borked Pseudo Mailed: have you never had a thought or
feeling or a desire that you knew would harm someone? Never wanted to
smack someone silly or knock some sense into an idiot? Imagine having
that same feeling every day of your life. Sure, you could deal with it
and not harm someone -- but would you? And could you do it without
help? Probably, but wouldn't help make it easier? Wouldn't reaffirming
your belief that you must not harm anyone else IN A PUBLIC FORUM help?
Wouldn't reaching out to others with the same feelings help?
Or are you too small minded to imagine that you could have problems?
4s00th
Anonymous
> Yersinia pestis wrote:
>> Mike LaLonde <emp...@wanderer64.com>, in their desperate search for
>> clue, wailed:
>>
>>> bobandcarole.. wrote:
>>>> On May 21, 11:13?am, richardahag...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> I want to teach my 15 y.o. daughter in a practical way that sex can
>>>>> be fun so that she enjoys it when she starts dating. In other words
>>>>> I want to sleep with her, but in a loving way not just force her
>>>>> into it. Does anybody have any advice on the best way to do this?
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>> My best advice would be to take a large kitchen knife and shove it in
>>>> your heart.
>>>>
>>> You sick fuck, advocating murder just because someone asked a
>>> question.
>>
>> That'd be 'suicide' not 'murder', cocknose...
>
> So? That doesn't change the core point...that he wanted somebody to die
> because of something they said. That's un-American.
Um, no. He wanted someone do die because they're a disgusting piece of
human filth that deserves to die painfully. The fact that human filth
might self define on occasion is incidental. It's only one mechanism by
which justice might be effectively directed. Unfortunately it doesn't
happen often enough....
Don Quixote
> Mike LaLonde wrote:
>
>> Yersinia pestis wrote:
>>> Mike LaLonde <emp...@wanderer64.com>, in their desperate search for
>>> clue, wailed:
>>>
>>>> bobandcarole.. wrote:
>>>>> On May 21, 11:13?am, richardahag...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> I want to teach my 15 y.o. daughter in a practical way that sex can
>>>>>> be fun so that she enjoys it when she starts dating. In other words
>>>>>> I want to sleep with her, but in a loving way not just force her
>>>>>> into it. Does anybody have any advice on the best way to do this?
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> My best advice would be to take a large kitchen knife and shove it in
>>>>> your heart.
>>>>>
>>>> You sick fuck, advocating murder just because someone asked a
>>>> question.
>>> That'd be 'suicide' not 'murder', cocknose...
>> So? That doesn't change the core point...that he wanted somebody to die
>> because of something they said. That's un-American.
>
> Um, no. He wanted someone do die because they're a disgusting piece of
> human filth that deserves to die painfully.
Lets analyze this statement. For someone to be "a disgusting piece of
human filth" they would have to not only hate others for thinking or
living differently but actually want them to suffer a horrible painful
death. Instead of believing in "live and let live" the D.P.o.H.F would
believe that the "Ends justify the Means" in exterminating those people
that think and live differently. Hitler wanting to exterminate the
Jews, comes to mind.
Funny, that description seems to fit Anonymous, bobandcarole, and a few
others here.
Keep in mind that no one here wants to harm a child. The argument is
whether or not someone's good intention while interacting with a child
could have serious negative consequences.
A person that unintentionally harms a child, is not a D.P.o.H.F. Sure
if that happens that person must be held accountable. But giving a
child a pleasant sexual experience is NOT HARMING THE CHILD.
>The fact that human filth
> might self define on occasion is incidental. It's only one mechanism by
> which justice might be effectively directed. Unfortunately it doesn't
> happen often enough....
>
DonQuixote169 at Yahoo dot Com
Jennie
> To put many in harms way
> in order to satisfy a few is irresponsible.
Great reasoning! Let's ban cars.
Jennie
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
> Anonymous wrote:
>> Mike LaLonde wrote:
>>
>>> Yersinia pestis wrote:
>>>> Mike LaLonde <emp...@wanderer64.com>, in their desperate search for
>>>> clue, wailed:
>>>>
>>>>> bobandcarole.. wrote:
>>>>>> On May 21, 11:13?am, richardahag...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> I want to teach my 15 y.o. daughter in a practical way that sex
>>>>>>> can be fun so that she enjoys it when she starts dating. In other
>>>>>>> words I want to sleep with her, but in a loving way not just force
>>>>>>> her into it. Does anybody have any advice on the best way to do
>>>>>>> this? Thanks.
>>>>>> My best advice would be to take a large kitchen knife and shove it
>>>>>> in your heart.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You sick fuck, advocating murder just because someone asked a
>>>>> question.
>>>> That'd be 'suicide' not 'murder', cocknose...
>>> So? That doesn't change the core point...that he wanted somebody to
>>> die because of something they said. That's un-American.
>>
>> Um, no. He wanted someone do die because they're a disgusting piece of
>> human filth that deserves to die painfully. The fact that human filth
>> might self define on occasion is incidental. It's only one mechanism by
>> which justice might be effectively directed. Unfortunately it doesn't
>> happen often enough....
>
> Um, yes. He wanted someone to die because he disagreed with them
No you demented freakshow, he wants them to die because they want to fuck
their own child. That's a perfectly normal and healthy emotion.
Protecting offspring from predators is instinctual, and encouraging
wanton predators to self exterminate is a perfectly acceptable
manifestation of that instinct.
Remember that the next time you're fondling yourself across the street
from and elementary school, predator. America would be a better place if
you were a corpse.
> What
> part of un-American don't you get?
The part where self-serving toilet scum tries to twist the concept into
some sort of rationalization for child molestation. The same part any
real American, or any emotionally ballances human being of any
nationality, wouldn't "get".
> People like him and possibly you are
> what is wrong with this country.
Riiiiight... just like people who don't murder and steal are such a big
problem.
Even by troll standards you're an idiot.
R. Steve Walz
>
> On 12 Jul 2007 I stormed the castle called alt.support.incest and heard
> Don Quixote cry out in news:RABli.6998$tj6.4915
> @newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> > The child may not be aware of some
> > of these potential problems...
>
> exactly. Therefore the child is unable to give fully informed consent.
No. That's true of everybody, or anybody, and so it cannot be that
we ALL cannot give informed consent.
> Granted, I don't doubt there are some older children out there who both
> want sex with older people, and who are capable of giving informed
> consent, but the majority of children are not.
------------------
If they are given the choice without threat they are.
Then to them it is merely a choice of what feels good, no different
than to an adult. And we're NOT talking about some situation where
they are going to be harmed by disease or secret evil intent, because
we're ALL subject to that!
> To put many in harms way
> in order to satisfy a few is irresponsible IMO.
----------------------
But to put a VERY few in harms way to satisfy many children and teens
certainly IS! There is NO send, for example, depriving everyone of
freedom and pleasure merely for a little safety, to paraphrase Ben
Franklin.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
No, it is called free speech and advocacy of something you're just
irrationally opposed to. And you're the shitling fuckhead!
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> On 12 Jul 2007 in alt.hackers.malicious, trippy
> <silve...@tacoshells.com> made their contribution to mankind by
> stating in news:MPG.2100788ca...@news.alt.net:
>
> > In article <Xns996B81AFE2...@nntp.petitmorte.net>, ThePsyko
> > took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...
> >
> >> On 12 Jul 2007 I stormed the castle called alt.support.incest and
> >> heard Don Quixote cry out in
> >>
> >
> >> >
> >> > Note that only participants of Non-consensual Incest are truly
> >> > "victims" so this study must only be about that type of incest
> >> > (i.e. Rape)
> >>
> >> So those children that "consent" to it because they know that they
> >> really have no choice but to submit to their parents wishes, despite
> >> how they really feel about it, are not victims?
> >
> >
> > Children can't legally give consent.
>
> *I* know that... it's the incest advocates that seem to have a problem
> with that concept
-----------------
It's not a "concept", it's a wholly erroneous sloganeered mouthing.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> On 13 Jul 2007 I stormed the castle called alt.hackers.malicious and
> heard Mike LaLonde cry out in news:RFJli.2252$YH3.1341@trnddc08...
> > reality that most children are smart enough and cognizant enough to
> > give consent.
> >
>
> like kids, do you?
---------------------
So that's your logic? You want to scream pedophile to dishonestly
win an argument? How cowardly. We're not "pedophile's", that's another
dishonest erroneous sloganeered mouthing! There are so few actual
fixated murderous psychologically distorted pedophiles as to be only
vanishingly dangerous to any particular child. But there are
hundreds to thousands of times more perfectly normal people who aren't
warped by religion and who advocate open consensual sexuality for
everyone!!
And why, if you're not a dishonest piece of shit, do you keep trying
to crosspost this to alt.hackers.malicious ???
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> Yersinia pestis wrote:
> > Mike LaLonde <emp...@wanderer64.com>, in their desperate search for
> > clue, wailed:
> >
> >> bobandcarole.. wrote:
> >>> On May 21, 11:13?am, richardahag...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> I want to teach my 15 y.o. daughter in a practical way that sex can be
> >>>> fun so that she enjoys it when she starts dating. In other words I
> >>>> want to sleep with her, but in a loving way not just force her into
> >>>> it. Does anybody have any advice on the best way to do this?
> >>>> Thanks.
> >>> My best advice would be to take a large
> >>> kitchen knife and shove it in your heart.
> >>>
> >> You sick fuck, advocating murder just because someone asked a question.
> >
> > That'd be 'suicide' not 'murder', cocknose...
>
> So? That doesn't change the core point...that he wanted somebody to die
> because of something they said. That's un-American.
"America" isn't working, let's kill all the Fundie bastards like him!
Steve
Anonymous
> If you can't speak intelligently about this subject, kindly logoff now.
If you can't dismiss the pedofuck images from your sick mind, kindly
guzzle a Drano cocktail. :)
R. Steve Walz
Another mindless little neurotic hacker wannabe.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
Yep. Everyone wants to fuck their kids and give them pleasure.
> Protecting offspring from predators is instinctual, and encouraging
> wanton predators to self exterminate is a perfectly acceptable
> manifestation of that instinct.
---------------------
You act like people who support open sexuality for kids ans teens want
to EAT them or something, literally! You're a sicko!
> Remember that the next time you're fondling yourself across the street
> from and elementary school, predator. America would be a better place if
> you were a corpse.
------------------------
The people who support open sexuality for youth aren't the ones who
do that.
Steve