Purposefully infect yourself with herpes to develop antibodies?
co...@pattayacitythailand.zzn.com
months) to develop antibodies which will help protect you from further
infection. Until you develop antibodies you may spread the infection.
Would it be possible to purposefully infect a very small patch of skin,
for instance, on the back of your arm above your elbow perhaps, so that
you would devlop antibodies, have very minor symptoms, and after 12-16
weeks be protected from ever contracting the disease elsewhere?
grant
will not become infected in other locations. Many people have both types of
Herpes, so your theory is flawed.
If you infect your arm, the virus will live in whatever nerve bundle
services that location. This leaves the more common herpes sites still
vulnerable to infection.
ar
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kevinth
HeeroYuy
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If that were possible, it would already be standard procedure with regards
to immunization seesions with your doctor.
co...@pattayacitythailand.zzn.com
> Herpes doesn't work that way. Having the antibodies does not guarantee you
> will not become infected in other locations. Many people have both types of
> Herpes, so your theory is flawed.
You would have to be "immunized" this way against both types of Herpes
of course. One small spot on each arm. :)
> If you infect your arm, the virus will live in whatever nerve bundle
> services that location. This leaves the more common herpes sites still
> vulnerable to infection.
Not necessarily.
I've read that after 12-16 weeks you may become immune to further
infection. For instance, if you have oral herpes HSV-1 on your mouth,
then you will not be at risk for
contracting HSV-1 on your genitals through receptive oral sex from
someone else.
From: http://www.herpes.com/hsv1-2.html
"A prior infection with oral HSV-1 lowers the risk of acquiring genital
HSV-1 even further. Studies show that genital HSV-1 infections almost
always occur in people who have no prior infection with HSV of either
type (Corey, Annals of Internal Medicine, 1983).
In the absence of prior oral infection, however, HSV-1 spreads easily
to the genital area, usually through oral sex. In some countries, such
as Japan and parts of Great Britain, genital HSV-1 is as common as
genital HSV- 2, or more common.
"Prevalence rates of genital HSV-1 differ based on the practice of oral
sex and on the percentage of people who are HSV-1 positive from
childhood," explains Anna Wald, MD researcher at the University of
Washington at Seattle.
Finally, the question of immunity and HSV types is complicated by an
additional issue. Some studies suggest that the ganglia themselves may
acquire some immunity to HSV after they are exposed to one viral type.
In the laboratory, infection of ganglia with more than one virus is
difficult, suggesting that it may be more difficult to acquire a second
HSV type in a location where you already have HSV. A prior genital
infection with HSV-1, for example, may give more protection against
genital HSV-2 than a prior oral infection with HSV-1.
What does all this mean on a practical level? Let's look at some
examples to find out. Say you have genital HSV-1 and your partner has
genital HSV-2. If you have unprotected sex, there is a small but real
risk that you will get HSV-2, resulting in more outbreaks and more
shedding. "We have documented cases where a person acquires HSV-2 after
a prior genital HSV- 1 infection," says Wald. "I don't think it happens
often, but it does happen."
On the other hand, it's very unlikely that your partner will get
genital HSV- 1 from you. "I've never seen a case of a person acquiring
HSV-1 on top of HSV-2," says Wald. "It's possible, but it would be
unusual."
What if your partner has genital HSV-2 and you perform oral sex on him
or her? Will you get HSV- 2 in the mouth? Given the widespread practice
of oral sex (some three-quarters of all adults practice it, according
to The Social Organization of Sexuality, 1994) and the prevalence of
genital HSV-2 infection, you might expect oral HSV-2 to be relatively
common. It's not.
According to one study, almost 100% of recognizable HSV-2 infection is
genital (Nahmias, Scandinavian Journal of Infectious Diseases
Supplement, 1990). One reason is that most adults are already infected
with HSV-1 orally, which provides some immunity against infection with
HSV 2. Another reason is that oral HSV-2 rarely reactivates, so even if
an infection does exist, no one knows.
So far we've been talking about transmission of HSV-1 or 2 from its
site of preference. What about transmission from another site? Say you
acquire genital HSV-1 through oral sex. Can you spread the virus to a
partner through genital sex?
The answer is yes, but probably not as easily as it was spread through
oral sex. The main reason is that the virus reactivates and sheds less
often outside its site of preference. Only about one quarter of people
with genital HSV- 1 shed virus at all in the absence of symptoms, while
55% of people with HSV-2 do (Wald, New England Journal of Medicine,
1995). "Shedding data appear to parallel recurrence data, meaning that
people who have a lot of recurrences also have a lot of shedding," says
Wald.
While HSV- 1 can be spread from genitals to genitals, "we think it is
spread more easily through oral sex because HSV-1 reactivates more
frequently in the oral area," says Wald. However, she warns,
"transmission of genital HSV-1 during asymptomatic shedding has been
documented." In other words, genital HSV-1 can be spread through
genital sex, even when there are no symptoms. "Good" Virus/ "Bad" Virus
If HSV infection is as easily transmitted from the mouth as from the
genitals, then why do people take steps to prevent genital but not oral
infection? Why don't we kiss through dental dams ?
"It's ironic, isn't it?" says Wald. "It's not about health, it's about
social acceptability."
Scientists can tell us all day that the main difference between the two
viral types is simply their site of preference-whether they typically
occur above the waist or below. But the unspoken attitudes of our
society send a different message. That's just the problem, social
attitudes whisper. Below the waist is bad.
"People think of oral herpes as the "good" herpes and genital herpes as
the "bad" kind," says Glover of the National Herpes Hotline. "It's
partly that they don't understand the similarities between HSV-1 and 2.
But it's also that good and bad is how our culture views sex and our
bodies."
The inescapable fact is that HSV-1 is usually spread through contact
with infected lips, while HSV-2 usually spread through contact with
infected genitals. From a social point of view, the problem is not the
disease; it's how you got it.
Whether we like it or not, the social prejudice against genital herpes,
no matter which virus causes it, is a reality. "People have more
trouble explaining to a new partner that they have genital herpes, even
if it's HSV- 1, than if they have a cold sore," says Glover. "Just
saying the word "genital" is like an anvil that pulls the sentence
down".
Is this topic making you crazy? For people who have trouble dealing
with social attitudes toward genital herpes, the blatant double
standard society applies to oral herpes can be frustrating, to say the
least.
"Talk to a wise friend," suggests Rebecca, a health communication
specialist on the National Herpes Hotline. "Join a support group. Find
Someone you respect and exchange ideas them. It's always reassuring to
see that not everyone lives inside the walls our society builds around
sexual issues and realities. "
It's also worth hoping that new research on the similarities between
HSV-1 and 2, as well as increased public education about genital
herpes, can help lower the level of misunderstanding about both types
of the virus. Today, the greatest difference between HSV- 1 and 2
appears to be the way we think about them. Tomorrow, that may
change...."
> ar
Banty
co...@pattayacitythailand.zzn.com says...
>
>Banty wrote:
>> In article <1146774084.0...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> co...@pattayacitythailand.zzn.com says...
>> >
>> >After contracting either Herpes 1 or 2 it takes 12-16 weeks (3-4
>> >months) to develop antibodies which will help protect you from further
>> >infection. Until you develop antibodies you may spread the infection.
>> >Would it be possible to purposefully infect a very small patch of skin,
>> >for instance, on the back of your arm above your elbow perhaps, so that
>> >you would devlop antibodies, have very minor symptoms, and after 12-16
>> >weeks be protected from ever contracting the disease elsewhere?
>> >
>>
>> symptomatic non-primary outbreak, or even if you're asymptomatic (or having a
>> sub-symptomatic outbreak). Not only during the primary infection.
>
>That's not what I've read. I've read that after 12-16 weeks you are
>generally immune to further infection. For instance, if you have oral
>herpes HSV-1 on your mouth, then you will not be at risk for
You dont' understand. Once you're infected, you're infected. The virus will
reside in your ganglia for further reactivation if/when the conditions are
right. There's no point in protecting yourself against "further infection" no
more than using contraceptives during pregnancy would protect yourself against
"further pregnancy".
HSV-1 generally is found around the mouth; HSV-2 generally around the genitals,
but not necessarily, and infection from one does not protect you from infection
with the other. Ganglia are local; people can and do get infected with both
types in two areas.
There really is no *point* in pre-infecting yourself. It doesn't work that way.
You've put in a post to alt.support.herpes - that's a good group; you really
needn't be going to a parenting group and vaguely related medical groups (aids?
hepataitis?) and polyamory and sex groups about this.
Banty
--
co...@pattayacitythailand.zzn.com
I guess you can neither read nor understand simple concepts. When you
first get the virus and have an outbreak you are capable of infecting
yourself in other places, and spreading the infection. After you gain
antibodies this is no longer as possible.
> HSV-1 generally is found around the mouth; HSV-2 generally around the genitals,
> but not necessarily, and infection from one does not protect you from infection
> with the other. Ganglia are local; people can and do get infected with both
> types in two areas.
Although if you read the posted article you would discover that having
one does possibly lower the chance of getting the other in the same
place.
> There really is no *point* in pre-infecting yourself. It doesn't work that way.
Does it?
> You've put in a post to alt.support.herpes - that's a good group; you really
> needn't be going to a parenting group and vaguely related medical groups (aids?
> hepataitis?) and polyamory and sex groups about this.
If I didn't post elsewhere, I would have less chance of gaining
responses from people smarter than yourself....
> Banty
>
>
> --
SR
general when it comes fo your health and the health of those you might
com in contact with.
Ray Gordon
> general when it comes fo your health and the health of those you might
> com in contact with.
So how do guys check for it with those ONSs they have with the bar skanks?
--
"Google maintains the USENET." -- The Honorable R. Barclay Surrick, Eastern
District of PA Judge
From Parker v. Google, E.D.Pa. #04-cv-3918
jjtj
>>I strongly advise against exposing yourself to herpes or any disease in
>> general when it comes fo your health and the health of those you might
>> com in contact with.
>
>So how do guys check for it with those ONSs they have with the bar skanks?
---- Proof of Gordon Roy Parker stating women deserve to be raped & murdered :
>>From: r____a__...@juno.com (Outfoxing The Foxes)
>>Subject: Re: Need A Piece Of Advice
>>Date: 1998/11/02
>>Message-ID: <19981102.144604.2648...@juno.com>
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>>156-157,160-161,163-164,181-182,196-197,199
>>Newsgroups: alt.romance
>>Look at the way women treat "losers" and you will see
>>why they wind up beaten, murdered, raped, robbed, disrespected, and
>>oppressed. It is because women DESERVE it. The ones who harmed me
>>should thank their lucky stars that I didn't react like a primate and
>>just dump them six feet underground. Unfortunately, premeditated murder
>>would ruin this ethical thing I have going for me, although on a primal
>>level it is quite appealing.
------------- Gordon Roy Parker on the day of 9/11 ------------------
>>"There was no significant loss of life in those towers. Not
>>a one."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001
>>"This attack happened in my HOMETOWN, a hometown I do not
>>live in or work in because of illegal behavior. I hope those
>>who swiped my ability to live there enjoy the message they got from GOD
>>today.........."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001
>>"In that building existed little more than a bunch of companies
>>which hire "office whores" and the like. I have no sympathy for
>>employment discriminators, and if someone had to die in this attack, I
>>couldn't think of a better group of people for the terrorists to pick."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001
>>"Now you know what it's like to see your horrors mocked the way mine
>>have been. That's not mental illness, that's a political message,
>>apparently delivered quite brilliantly."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11, 2001
>>"There was no significant loss of life in those towers. Their own
>>evil is what prevented me from being among the dead, and which added the
>>"Unknown Office Whore" to their numbers because god forbid some loser
>>executive would have to hire a man.Those corporations could have hired
>>me, put me to work in that building, let me live in NYC, and experience
>>all of the fun that's going on up there now."
>> - Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon), September 11
------ Gordon Roy Parker threatening children, the sick and elderly --------
>>Subject: Re: May Lissa's Mom DIE PAINFULLY ANDROT IN HELL****
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:13:02 -0600
>>From: ray...@hotmail.com
>>Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion
>>Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> ****Disclaimer: I was discriminated against on the basis of
>>gender today and told point-blank that this was the reason. Having been
>>taunted by the WHOREDENS and by Lissa over this, I consider it only fair
>>to return similar sentiments. When I get a full apology from Lissa, and
>>from Dave, and his website and RayFAQ go down, I will CONSIDER changing
>>my attitude.
>> Ray, first of all STOP CURSING, KIDS READ THIS TOO!! Dave, lol!
>>HA HAHA! dang! oh shit! maaaaaan...! lol! hmmmaaaa! Ray's gonna sue you!
>>looool!!!! [laughing] shit.... hire me as your lawyer. he he ha ha ha...
>>loooll
>> <----Stop Cursing? FUCK YOU. FUCK GYMNAST WHORES TOO. They
>>know DAMN well what goes on and what harmed me and they LAUGH at it.
>>May they all do a GOMEZ on vault and have the ambulance do a GRIVICH on
>>the way to the hospital if they are going to laugh at my career road
>>blocks, sexual road blocks that they CLAIM to disapprove of...except
>>when they need a job, so then it's okay to show a little ass, as long as
>>the boss doesn't try to touch that ass. FUCK THEM. They're moral
>>GARBAGE! They know it too; that's why they can't stand hearing it; if
>>it weren't true they wouldn't care. They're good for ONE THING and ONE
>>THING only, and they know that too. If they want me to be nice to them,
>>let them undo a few years of damage and apologize for THEIR attitudes.
>>They bring this shit on themselves with their arrogance. Spoiled BRATS.
>> You think my suing Dave and Dominique is a joke? Keep laughing.
>>Please. I'd love it if you did. You want to be Dave's lawyer? Go right
>>ahead. You punks think this is playtime; you're in for an awfully rude
>>shock. I gave fair warning. Dave(and Dominique through Dave) said "Go
>>for it." I will. I'll go for every last ounce of gold that resides in
>>both their scumbag pockets.
>> See, I was being a NICE GUY about this before. I decided not to
>>be NICE anymore. I get really FUCKING PISSED OFFwhen people mock my
>>pain, enough to where I start focusing my energy on THEIR pain. Lissa's
>>pain. The pain of watching her mother die the same death my secretarial
>>career died. Yes, that death. I know what it's like to watch something
>>you love die. Watching my father die right in front of my eyes at age
>>12 wasn't as painful as watching women get sexually harassed by their
>>bosses, but that was nothing compared to the pain of seeing women mock
>>the issue, like it were okay, like they couldn't have the courage to do
>>the right thing.
>> Lissa, watch your mom fade away and think of mycareer, and then
>>think of the fact that I can revive my career. Noone will be able to
>>revive your mom. No one. She's DYING, and she's DYING slowly. Does she
>>even remember your name anymore? I don't think so.....you think Dave's
>>such a nice guy? I don't. Hedoes that page for you, Missy, Dominique,
>>and all those wonderful girls who worship him. You think he's going to
>>get away with it? He's not. If you want to see God's punishment for your
>>treatment of me, watch it in your mom.
>> My last spell went to Jaycie's knees. She still competing?
>>Nope. The next one goes to Lissa's mom. Note her condition today and
>>see how she progresses from here. Don't mess with a psychic. After
>>this one is done I'll start REALLY wishing for some Gomez action on the
>>vault, and I'll start naming names and focusing ALL of my psychic energy
>>on it.
------------Proof of Gordon Roy Parkers wishing a minor to die-----
>>Path: news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news
>>Cc: cave...@nni.com
>>Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:58:08 -0400
>>Subject: Ray Takes FULL RESPONSIBLITY For The Michelle Mistake
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>>WARNING: If Oedipus, Krusty or Tusky respond to this message in any way,
>>I will return to ASF immediately. If they want me off that newsgroup
>>they can stay the hell out of my threads.
>>Read up. I post this not for myself, because I don't care what people
>>think of me. I post this for my METHOD, because it's being destroyed by
>>attacks on its creator.
>>I am going to clear the record on a few things here:
>>1. I DID wish death on Michelle's daughter Cierra. I did so in an
>>attempt to snap her back to reality after she had used others' defamation
>>of me as leverage to get me to want her. Why did I "hurt" her? I DID
>>NOT TALK TO HER. That's correct: my crime with Michelle was not falling
>>back in love with her after she had fallen in love with me for four
>>months, IMing me constantly, E-mailing me constantly, BEGGING me to love
>>her the way I "loved" "Dominique" (these two are in quotes because I
>>neither loved her nor necessarily knew her).
>>2. Wishing death on someone is not a crime. The words were spoken in
>>anger, after MONTHS of provocation
--------------- Gordon Roy Parker claiming to be Jesus Christ ------
>]] "You seem to think I fear death. I fear death no more
>]] than Jesus did. I *was* Jesus in a past life, you see.
>]] That's how I know HE *wasn't* Christ! Note that I will
>]] be 32 years old in 1999. I won't say more."
>]]
>]] - ray "I was Jesus" Parker, Mar 27/98
EVERY BODY SING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
------------Sung to the N.Y. Dolls song "Personality Crisis" ----
YEEEAAHHHHH!!! YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH..
<WAIT> NO NO NO NO ..NO NO NO.. N0! N0!
Well we can't take him this week
And his dolls can't write another S-P-E-A-CCCCC-HHH !!!
..they hope for a better day when this newsloon just fades away..
all' about that "..inexcusable failure.."
...if he likes it &/or no-t..
But now his um, 'hellen' & herpes, 'dats all he got..
(Judge hadd'a rule about that "..inexcusable..")
yeah...yeah yeah yeah...
But now he needs to be a man, now he got to be 'da man'..
AND he KNOWS he gots to do it all, NOW NOW WOWS !!!
Yet he thinks about the times he failed, on every account..
..& it sure got to be a 'drag' when he wants2 kill his'self..
he has to deal with "..AOL.." chat rooms where he molest' about
(He denied' 'bout..)
..'bout his "..inexcusable failure.."
..a Judge told him that.....that's what he got..
But now his mommie, and dollies, 'dats all he got..
Just GOTTA SHOUT ABOUT HIS "..inexcusable.."
YEAH YEAH YEAH...YEAH...
<break for crowd to think the song is over..>
And he's a... coward hate monger on that 9/11 afternoon..
<livin proof of a real loonie-toon ! ! >
change on into da sock-puppet, fooling no 1 2 soon..
he WETS his UNDER-ROOOOOSSSSSS!!!!!!
......"..inexcusable failure.."
if he likes it &/or no-t....It's always "..NOT.."
But now his, 'hellen' and herpes ' dats whot he got..
That loser is a "..INEXCUSABLE FAILURE !!!!.."
YEAH YEAH..YEAH YEAH..
Now, with all da perks n free rides Penni Parker pays 4
His dollies become his 'private friends' nite n day 4..
That "..inexcusable.." 's (failing to do it all againnnnn)
(ah ah..no longer fun..)
"..inexcusable.." will his pain ever end..?
<not 2 B so much like a..>
"..inexcusable.." impressions of a joke,
..n 2 pretend 2 pretend 2 pretend too pretend,
"..inexcusable ..".." dreams of celebrities he'll never meet
(he lives their life off television)
Talkin' about that "..inexcusable failure.."
if he likes it &/or no-t....It's always "..NOT.."
But now um, 'hellen' and herpes ' dats whot he got..
hey grp-ie don't you worry
"..inexcusable failure.." please don't cry
he's just a "..inexcusable failure.." and cannot stop
Because he walks a "..inexcusable.."
Talks a "..inexcusable failure.."
georgewv...@yahoo.com
Just ask them. They'll usually be honest about it.
"Do you feel lucky? Well do ya, punk?"
grant
because you aren't interested in hearing the real facts from real people who
have herpes. And you're rude.
What is true on paper is not always true in real life. If you believe an
article, why bother asking these questions? The real life people who live
with the virus every day are telling you that article doesn't hold up in
actual life. It all sounds good. But the real fact is that when dealing
with herpes, there are no guarantees for anything.
ar
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Alex
R...@cybersheet.com wrote on 5/5/06 5:19 AM:
>> I strongly advise against exposing yourself to herpes or any disease in
>> general when it comes fo your health and the health of those you might
>> com in contact with.
>
> So how do guys check for it with those ONSs they have with the bar skanks?
>
Funny how that question is asked by the only guy here with herpes.
Wonder if Gordon takes meds for THAT.
Sue
> I guess you can neither read nor understand simple concepts. When you
> first get the virus and have an outbreak you are capable of infecting
> yourself in other places, and spreading the infection. After you gain
> antibodies this is no longer as possible.
That is so not true. You need to do some research because once you have
Herpes, you always have it and you can have a break out at any time. It
lives in the ganglia in the spine. You can even infect another person
without an active outbreak.
--
Sue (mom to three girls)
Angela S.
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Banty
What, exactly, are you planning? Infecting yourself on some non-genital area
(such as the mouth) with HSV-1 and HSV-2 in hopes of sparing your genital area?
Or what?
And you're wrong - a risk of HSV infection anywhere increases the risk of
introducing the virus where you really don't want it, like the eyes, or even the
meninges.
Please discuss your ideas with a physician. I think you're fishing for
confirmation of your ideas here.
There is no fix to this. You need to practice safe sex. (Or 'your' girls in
Thailand, or whatever else is your motivation you have in asking this.) Even if
HSV was taken off the menu of possible consequences of not doing so, there are a
lot of worse things out there still, believe me.
Banty
--
Agent Smith
news:vgv6g.31132$P2....@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com:
It does beg the question of why a herpes vaccine isn't as easy to make
as a polio vaccine, or any of the other many vaccines that have been
cheap and commonly available since the heydey of Jonas Salk and FDR's
legendary March of Dimes.
Does anybody remember the guy who won the Ignobel Prize, several years
ago, for proving that humans are immune to feline ear mites, by trying
to infect hinself? :-P
The resounding collective gasp of abject terror, from the entire
scientific community, was deafening. If the guy weren't smart enough to
be a scientist, he'd have won the Darwin Award, rather than an Ignobel.
I wonder if he ever won a second grant award...
GMCarter
snip...
>What, exactly, are you planning? Infecting yourself on some non-genital area
>(such as the mouth) with HSV-1 and HSV-2 in hopes of sparing your genital area?
>Or what?
Maybe the individual is confused by things like live varicella
vaccines. See, e.g.,
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/352/22/2271
What the individual does not understand is that this virus is
"attenuated" so that it doesn't cause disease.
Merely exposing oneself to a simplex virus is not too wise (but
chances are relatively good that the person already has HSV anyway).
The possibility that a low dose exposure may elicit adequate immunity
upon subsequent exposure with a higher innoculum is dicey at best.
In short, nice try but not likely to be a good idea.
George M. Carter
Banty
I think if it were feasible, there would be a vaccine for HSV already.
Banty
--
GMCarter
snip...
>I think if it were feasible, there would be a vaccine for HSV already.
A hopeful but somewhat unlikely thought. The disease doesn't cause so
much trouble (tho lesions may facilitate infections like HIV).
Pharma is more interested in me-too drugs, slight changes in
formulation (usually excipients) to extend patent life and other nudgy
shifts in the blockbuster, oversold, overprescribed and way-overpriced
drugs they like to shove down people's throats til their insurance
caps are maxed. Then those companies may take their turn screwing the
patient, taking up where over-charging hospitals and clinics leave
off. Healthcare in the US: a fucking mess.
George M. Carter
co...@pattayacitythailand.zzn.com
> That is not how the herpes simplex virus works
>
> Angela
>
From: http://www.herpes.com/hsv1-2.html
"Studies show that genital HSV-1 infections almost always occur in
people who have no prior infection with HSV of either type (Corey,
Annals of Internal Medicine, 1983). "
Thus suggesting that both HSV-1 orally & HSV-2 genitally offer
protection against contracting HSV-1 genitally.
I was not yet considering infecting myself, I was just promoting this
idea as a think-outside-the-box concept for general discussion. I got
the idea that you gain immunity from further infection in part from
reading the following usenet messages on alt.support.herpes:
According to M2slo2cht:
"And once you're infected and
develop antibodies, you're not likely to be infected again. One thing
to remember, if you're newly infected (and we haven't established that
yet) be careful about touching an outbreak and then touching your eyes
before you wash your hands. You don't want it in your eyes. After
you've developed antibodies, your not likely to spread it to other
parts of your body though. "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.herpes/browse_frm/thread/d72a143ee07a7358/6aa80c0f69f863c3?q=spread+after+your+body+has+developed+antibodies&rnum=3#6aa80c0f69f863c3
"1) HSV2 won't spread through your system on it's own. *If* it spreads
at all, it needs your help (autoinoculation) for that. If you have it
genitally, it stays "below the belt". Doesn't spread to your face.
(Autoinoculation=you touch infected area, get virus on your fingers,
then touch another area, and it might possibly take hold. *But* this
doesn't happen often after your body has developed antibodies) "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.herpes/browse_frm/thread/6bdad25d397fd61f/83df70a3cafdad55?q=spread+after+your+body+has+developed+antibodies&rnum=1#83df70a3cafdad55
"I agree again here. But want to add a caveat. During the first few
months of infection, before your immune system is fully braced for
this virus, you're subject to autoinnoculation. In other words, it's
possible to pick up the virus on your hands/fingers in one location
and spread it to another location by scratching, rubbing, etc in the
other location. For instance, a newbie with type 1 oral might rub his
mouth getting virus on his fingers, then rub his genitals and spread
the virus there. So wash your hands whenever you may have gotten them
on an infected area. Soap and water (washing hands) can easily kill
the virus.
After the first few months, autoinnoculation isn't something to worry
much about but just be aware of its existance for awhile. "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.herpes/browse_frm/thread/26ff4c41b2a80e4e/7d8bc3647b62b849?q=spread+after+your+body+has+developed+antibodies&rnum=5#7d8bc3647b62b849
For if it were possible to infect yourself in one small place, I assume
you would only have minor symptoms as opposed to the possibility of a
larger infection. You would thus only have symptoms of a small
outbreak in one place, and you would not be able to pass the disease
onto other people's genitals or mouths.
By the way, they are working on a vaccine for herpes, see "New vaccine
prevents herpes in women"
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/11/20/herpes.vaccine/
marcia
co...@pattayacitythailand.zzn.com wrote:
> Angela S. wrote:
> > That is not how the herpes simplex virus works
> >
> > Angela
>
> prevents herpes in women"
> http://archives.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/11/20/herpes.vaccine/
If you're smart, you'll wait for the vaccine.
Tim Fitzmaurice
> On 6 May 2006 05:48:44 -0700, Banty <Banty_...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> snip...
>> I think if it were feasible, there would be a vaccine for HSV already.
>
> A hopeful but somewhat unlikely thought. The disease doesn't cause so
> much trouble (tho lesions may facilitate infections like HIV).
Its a very likely thought actually. Lots of people have tried to produce
HSV vaccines. Its just not been successful yet.
Tim
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GMCarter
<tj...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
snip...
>> A hopeful but somewhat unlikely thought. The disease doesn't cause so
>> much trouble (tho lesions may facilitate infections like HIV).
>
>Its a very likely thought actually. Lots of people have tried to produce
>HSV vaccines. Its just not been successful yet.
Actually, I saw some of the research, and it was rather encouraging.
There are times when I think the whole business has gotten so corrupt
that absolutely nothing that won't guarantee a huge multi-billion
dollar return for the stockholders and CEOs will be ignored.
The situation hasn't QUITE gotten there yet.
George M. Carter