Advice needed
David M
subscribed.
I seek information and have carefully read the 50 posts that were
downloaded. Many of you seem to be very responsible, observant, and
willing to share a tale or two.
This is my story as a carer. I am very hurt about all this.
Unfortunately prior to treatment I/we were hardly advised about
anyside effects or likely upsets that may occur.
I certainly would appreciate for some of you folk to read this page,
and to comment, either directly to me or in this forum.
I note the latest bit of research from the Australian Hep group, is on
the after effects of treatment.
I cant say too much in case of legal action, so I have this little
acknowledgement below.
I neither seek nor expect sympathy, as this is my own fault. I ask for
your understanding and for others to learn from my mistakes. Let this
serve as a warning for those tempted to follow a similar path without
being very sure of what the outcome may be.
http://vickyroos.com.au/index.html
http://www.hepqld.asn.au/resources/Recovery_from_hepatitis_C_treatments.pdf
I thank you for your time.
David
Waterspider
hepatitis C and it is not a request for information or advice.
It is a painfully self-centered blog by a bitter man whose relationship with
a woman, who happened to have hep C, didn't work out. He be charged for the
highly personal, slanderous information he published about his former
partner and I can't help but feel sorry for her, not just because of her
difficulties with treatment, but because she is being haunted by this
obviously disturbed man who should simply suck it up and move on. Most of us
have had relationships that didn't work out and all of us here understand
the emotional difficulties of treatment, so I doubt he'll get much sympathy
from ash-c.
"David M" <bi...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Waterspider
Meant to say, "He should be charged."
Guess I'm looking forward to Talk Like a Pirate Day. Arrrrrr!
David M
wrote:
>To hopefully save someone a waste of time, this has little to do with
>hepatitis C and it is not a request for information or advice.
>
>It is a painfully self-centered blog by a bitter man whose relationship with
>a woman, who happened to have hep C, didn't work out. He be charged for the
>highly personal, slanderous information he published about his former
>partner and I can't help but feel sorry for her, not just because of her
>difficulties with treatment, but because she is being haunted by this
>obviously disturbed man who should simply suck it up and move on. Most of us
>have had relationships that didn't work out and all of us here understand
>the emotional difficulties of treatment, so I doubt he'll get much sympathy
>from ash-c.
The advice I wanted was about the web page. I now have your opinion
which differs hugely from several others that I have.
It is self centered and I am bitter, but I am moving on with my life.
I totally altered my life to accomodate her and help her get cured and
was left severly out of pocket and out of love. In short I fell for
her sob story. Note the part where I said there was no need to involve
me at all, she could have lived with her daughter. I actually helped
move that daughter from that house by the way.
It is not slanderous, it is true as I have demonstrated. Her
Australian family complained to the police about the page, I altered
it to accomodate the complaint, the police were happy. I note that in
Sweden, the police are jailing people for similar internet scams.
The relationship did not work out as she had no intention of having a
relationship, I and my son were simply set up and used. She is a sex
scammer and she has no shame.
I suggest you re read it and understand it if you are able, as others
have done, I dont want or expect yours or anyones sympathy.
David M
wrote:
>Meant to say, "He should be charged."
There is nothing to charge me with. I in fact, was told by the
Queensland Police Service to take her to court in a civil action. I
may explore this possibility, but to do so means dragging it out even
more, something I am loathe to do. I feel that simply shaming her is
enough, that is, if she can be shamed.
Nyarnon
O dear, upset waterspider did you? Well thats not hard to do she has the
self constraint of pitbull. But your posting is awfully off topic here.
I will not go as far as waterspider to condemn you as I realize I don't
know you or what happened according to you. I do know there are always
two stories in these sort of cases. And again both do not belong here.
Please take it somewhere else. Maybe she is a mormon, take it to a
mormon group. Maybe she collects stamps, take it to a philately group,
but dont take it here just because she had HCV. It's rude and
stigmatizing and won't bring you any sympathy you are not looking for.
As for shame. You should be ashamed for doing this to us. We do not
deserve this. Now be so kind and let us go about or buisness. Please.
--
HCV Care group HepC Nomads: http://hepcnomads.co.uk/phpBB3/index.php
David M
wrote:
> You should be ashamed for doing this to us. We do not
>deserve this. Now be so kind and let us go about or buisness. Please.
Thanks, but I am not ashamed. Nor is my family, but after talking to
some of her family, they are ashamed. This is named as a support
group, and I merely offered another life story for peoples
consideration. The Hepatitis Council convenor here in Queensland
thought it worthy of personal comment to me, as did the Clinical nurse
operating the trials for the hospital where we were supposed to go.
I thank you for your support however.
Nyarnon
Obviously you dont understand this has nothing to do with hcv. If and
when your story is true your a criminal victim. I'm sure there is a
support group for that. But it's not here. Don't bring it here we have
nothing to do with it. As soon as you got/had HCV or if you have
questions as a carer or just are interested in HCV, we will be glad to
see you again. And give you our support.
David M
wrote:
>Obviously you dont understand this has nothing to do with hcv. If and
>when your story is true your a criminal victim. I'm sure there is a
>support group for that. But it's not here. Don't bring it here we have
>nothing to do with it. As soon as you got/had HCV or if you have
>questions as a carer or just are interested in HCV, we will be glad to
>see you again. And give you our support.
I do have Hep B, contracted from the local hospital along with a
variety of Golden Staph, prior to my leg being amputated. I since may
have contracted Hep C from Vicky, as there was several blood contacts,
not from needles I hasten to add. Her skin is so fragile, the
slightest scrape on furniture would cause her to bleed.
I know ( Police info, I do have friends in the Force, as well as the
Welfare agency) I have been victimised in a criminal scam, but I have
decided I will not take it to court. The waiting time here is about 5
to 7 years for a civil action. I honestly do not think she will be
around then.
Again I thank you, and after my next round of tests, I may well be
back.
David
Nyarnon
> Again I thank you, and after my next round of tests, I may well be
> back.
> David
Well there you go there's your support. The chance you get HCV in a
normal heterosexual relationship is extremely small. But I am sure you
have used precautions anyway knowing she has HCV and you being a smart
fellow. Right? Anyway heads up, smart or dumb the chance that she left
you a present is very very small. Even smaller becouse she was the woman
and not you. Seems that we man are a bit more dangerous to the other sex.
Here you go;
HCV Heterosexual Transmission
NATAP http://natap.org/
_______________________________________________
"it is possible that HIV infection may play a role in increasing the
likelihood of HCV sexual transmission because of a compromised immune
system in the setting of continued high-risk sexual behaviors."......"In
this study group, the prevalence of HCV infection among women with no
reported history of IDU or receipt of blood transfusion was 6.5% (3.6%
for the HIV− and 7.7% for the HIV+)."
"While it has been demonstrated among married couples with one
HCV-infected member that HCV sexual transmission is not efficient,30
molecular epidemiologic studies have nonetheless shown that HCV RNA can
be detected in the semen of HCV viremic men, and men coinfected with HIV
are more likely to have HCV RNA detected in the semen than men with only
HCV infection.15,31–33 Only further studies using experimental infection
in a cell culture system or an animal model would prove that HCV RNA
positivity in semen reflects the presence of infectious virus."
"Further study of the sexual practices of women with HIV and at risk for
HIV may shed light on potential mechanisms of sexual transmission of
HCV. Like HIV, STDs may increase the risk of HCV transmission through
ulcerative lesions, providing a portal of entry for HCV. Anal sex,
intercourse during menstruation, and sex with physical trauma may also
provide avenues for enhanced sexual transmission of HCV through exposure
to blood. Among HIV-infected MSM, it has been suggested that high-risk
sexual practices including anal fisting and sex in the presence of
ulcerative coinfections are associated with HCV acquisition and may have
fueled recent HCV outbreaks in this subgroup of MSM.34,35 These same
mechanisms may be important for HCV transmission among HIV-infected
women engaging in high-risk sexual practices.36"
"Concerns about the higher HCV prevalence and increasing HIV rates in
Hispanics, who are the fastest growing ethnic minority group in the
United States, should alert public health officials to the importance of
the potential for sexual transmission of HCV.46 Similarly, in the United
States, HCV prevalence rates are highest for non-Hispanic black men
between 40–49 years of age raising concern about the potential
transmission of HCV to their sexual partners who might engage in
high-risk sexual behaviors.1"
"Because IDU was defined by self-report, it is possible that some women
classified as non-IDU chose not to report their own IDU"
Factors Associated with Prevalent Hepatitis C Infection Among
HIV-Infected Women with No Reported History of Injection Drug Use: The
Women's Interagency HIV Study (WIHS)
AIDS Patient Care and STDs
Volume: 23 Issue 11: November 20, 2009
Toni Frederick, Ph.D.,1 Pamela Burian, P.A.-C.,2 Norah Terrault, M.D.,4
Mardge Cohen, M.D.,5 Michael Augenbraun, M.D.,6
Mary Young, M.D.,7 Eric Seaberg, Ph.D.,8 Jessica Justman, M.D.,9
Alexandra M. Levine, M.D.,2 Wendy J. Mack, Ph.D.,3 and Andrea Kovacs, M.D.1
1Maternal-Child and Adolescent Center for Infectious Diseases and
Virology, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California.
2Department of Medicine, Division of Hematology, University of Southern
California, Los Angeles, California.
3Department of Preventive Medicine, Keck School of Medicine, University
of Southern California, Los Angeles, California.
4Division of Gastroenterology, University of California at San
Francisco, San Francisco, California.
5Cook County Medical Center, Chicago, Illinois.
6State University at Downstate Medical Center, Brooklyn, New York.
7Georgetown University School of Medicine, Washington, D.C.
8Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, Baltimore, Maryland.
9Bronx-Lebanon Hospital Center, Bronx, New York.
Abstract
Although the primary mode of hepatitis C virus (HCV) transmission is
exposure to blood products or injection drug use (IDU), studies have
found varying independent risk factors for HCV infection among persons
with no history of IDU or exposure to blood products. For HIV-infected
women, sexual transmission may be another potential source of HCV
infection. HIV-infected and HIV-negative women at risk for HIV enrolled
in the Women's Interagency HIV Study (WIHS) during October 1994 to
November 1995 and again between October 2001 and November 2002 were
studied. Clinical and demographic factors associated with HCV
seroprevalence were assessed in multivariate logistic regression models
controlling for history of blood transfusion and IDU. Among 3636 women
with HCV results, 31.5% were HCV antibody positive (HCV+) including
13.5% with no reported history of IDU or blood transfusions.
Multivariate logistic regression analyses stratified on IDU showed that
among women with no history of IDU, sex with an IDU male was
independently associated with HCV positivity (odds ratio [OR]=2.8, 95%
confidence [CI]=2.1, 3.8, p<0.0001) after controlling for blood
transfusion, age, HIV infection, unemployment, birth in the United
States, history of hepatitis B infection, and current smoking status.
Further stratification on HIV status showed that the association was
significant only for the HIV+ (OR=1.9, 95% CI=1.3, 2.7, p=0.0007)
compared to the HIV− women (OR=1.1, 95% CI=0.4, 2.7) although these odds
ratios were not significantly different (p=0.25). For HIV-positive women
with no reported history of IDU, sex with an IDU male was independently
associated with HCV suggesting that sexual transmission may be an
important mode of HCV transmission for these high-risk women.
Introduction
In the United States, an estimated 4.1 million people (1.6% of the
population) are infected with hepatitis C virus (HCV).1 Although the
predominant modes of HCV transmission are through exposure to blood or
blood products and injection drug use (IDU), there are studies
suggesting that sexual transmission can occur in 5%–20%2,3 of those who
are HCV infected and deny any history of blood transfusion or IDU.
Various independent risk factors for nonparenteral HCV transmission
among those denying a history of IDU include snorting cocaine, crack
use, low socioeconomic status, herpes simplex virus (HSV)-2 infection,
frequent alcohol use, tattooing/body piercing, gonorrhea, HIV infection,
as well as high-risk sexual activity. 4–10 However, it has been
difficult to assess HCV infection transmission via nonparenteral routes,
especially sexual transmission, because of shared risk factors among
individuals at risk for HCV infection.
The importance of sexual transmission in HCV transmission is
controversial. Studies of monogamous sex partners of patients with HCV
viremia and chronic liver disease show infrequent transmission.11 While
there are documented cases of acute HCV infection among non-drug–using
men who have sex with men (MSM),12–18 the ongoing Omega Cohort Study
estimated that HCV sexual transmission among MSM is rare.19 However,
evidence for sexual transmission of HCV has been shown in several types
of studies including prevalence studies in attendees of sexually
transmitted disease (STD) clinics, investigation of cases identified
from surveillance reports, and cross-sectional and longitudinal partner
studies.1,9,20–22 Many of these studies have been limited by small size,
lack of uninfected controls, and difficulty excluding other routes of
transmission. While the role of sexual transmission has been examined in
a growing number of diverse populations including urban populations,
veterans, individuals attending STD clinics, and homosexual men, none
have evaluated a large sample of HIV-infected and HIV-negative women
with similar risk histories.
We examined factors associated with HCV antibody positivity among a
large sample of HIV-infected (HIV+) and HIV-uninfected (HIV−) women with
similar risk who were evaluated for HCV infection. The development of a
more complete profile of factors contributing to HCV transmission may
assist in further clinical and preventive efforts for both HIV-infected
and -uninfected women at high risk for HIV infection.
Discussion
In this large sample of HIV-infected and high-risk HIV-uninfected women,
we found that among women who self-reported no history of IDU, sex with
an IDU male was independently associated with prevalent HCV infection
after controlling for receipt of blood transfusion, older age,
unemployment, smoking, birth in the United States, and hepatitis B
infection. This effect was statistically significant only for the
HIV-infected although no statistically significant interaction was
noted. While this study is cross-sectional, it is possible that HIV
infection may play a role in increasing the likelihood of HCV sexual
transmission because of a compromised immune system in the setting of
continued high-risk sexual behaviors.
In this study group, the prevalence of HCV infection among women with no
reported history of IDU or receipt of blood transfusion was 6.5% (3.6%
for the HIV− and 7.7% for the HIV+). Because of the large proportion of
HIV-infected women in our study with high-risk behaviors for both HIV
and HCV infection, this prevalence is higher than has been reported for
other high risk groups such as patients at two large STD clinics in
Canada (3.4%), a sample of sexually active, nontransfused, inner-city
women with no evidence of IDU (1.6%), and among women residing in
low-income neighborhoods of northern California (2.5%).1,8,25
In the United States, it is estimated that IDU accounts for
approximately 60% of HCV transmissions, blood transfusion for less than
5%, sexual exposures approximately 10%–20%, other exposures 10%, with
10% due to unidentified sources of infection.2 In our cohort of HCV
positive women, 86.5% reported exposure through parenteral routes
leaving 13.5% potentially due to other exposures, including sexual
transmission.
Consistent with other studies, we showed that risk-taking behaviors
including history of drug use (including crack, cocaine, and heroin),
smoking, drinking, and high-risk sex (trading sex for drugs or money,
sex with an HIV-positive male, more lifetime sexual partners and STDs)
were associated with a higher prevalence of HCV infection.7,10,25–28 A
recent study of risk factors associated with acute HCV infection found
that 11 of 13 cases with unknown mode of transmission reported high-risk
sexual behavior.29 While it has been demonstrated among married couples
with one HCV-infected member that HCV sexual transmission is not
efficient,30 molecular epidemiologic studies have nonetheless shown that
HCV RNA can be detected in the semen of HCV viremic men, and men
coinfected with HIV are more likely to have HCV RNA detected in the
semen than men with only HCV infection.15,31–33 Only further studies
using experimental infection in a cell culture system or an animal model
would prove that HCV RNA positivity in semen reflects the presence of
infectious virus.
Further study of the sexual practices of women with HIV and at risk for
HIV may shed light on potential mechanisms of sexual transmission of
HCV. Like HIV, STDs may increase the risk of HCV transmission through
ulcerative lesions, providing a portal of entry for HCV. Anal sex,
intercourse during menstruation, and sex with physical trauma may also
provide avenues for enhanced sexual transmission of HCV through exposure
to blood. Among HIV-infected MSM, it has been suggested that high-risk
sexual practices including anal fisting and sex in the presence of
ulcerative coinfections are associated with HCV acquisition and may have
fueled recent HCV outbreaks in this subgroup of MSM.34,35 These same
mechanisms may be important for HCV transmission among HIV-infected
women engaging in high-risk sexual practices.36
Our study supports earlier findings of Hershow37 et al. in 1998 who
evaluated a subgroup of the WIHS cohort (n=296) and found as we did that
while IDU was the strongest predictor of HCV infection, sexual risk
factors were also independently associated. Our analyses expand on their
work by examining the entire WIHS group. While Hershow found only a
marginally significant effect of HIV status, we found a statistically
significant effect of HIV status for both those with and without IDU.
Because IDU was defined by self-report, it is possible that some women
classified as non-IDU chose not to report their own IDU. We attempted to
minimize this possible misclassification by excluding 12 women who
reported no baseline IDU but later reported IDU at a subsequent WIHS
visit. Analysis of the WIHS longitudinal data through 2004 showed
overall consistency in reporting of IDU over time. Only 0.5% (12/2522)
of the non-IDU women at baseline reported IDU during a follow-up visit
compared to 39% of those with IDU at baseline. Of these 12 women, four
reported IDU within 1 year of the baseline visit, two within 2 years,
and the remaining six reported IDU 5 or more years after the baseline
visit. While these 12 women did not differ from the total population by
HIV status, age or HCV status, they were removed from the analysis
because of the potential for misclassification of their baseline IDU
status. Prior studies have also shown that self-reported information
from WIHS participants correlates with appropriate biologic markers.38
While IDU women are known to partner with IDU men, studies of sexual
behaviors of IDU men have found that they commonly choose non-IDU women
as their sex partners.39,40 Neaigus et al. have recently shown that
HIV-infected injecting and non-injecting male drug users were more
likely to have lower risk sexual partners (HIV- and non-IDU) than
high-risk partners, creating a potential bridge for STDs diseases from a
high-prevalence to a low-prevalence population.41
Consistent with other studies we found that HCV was associated with
older age, birth in the United States, level of education, poverty,
hepatitis B infection, and being HIV-infected.1,10,25–27 Being
unemployed has not previously been reported as a factor associated with
HCV, although low socioeconomic status and poverty have been described
as risk factors.8,18,25,28 It is possible that being unemployed may be
related to poor health and greater risk-taking behaviors and thus a
greater susceptibility to acquiring HCV through both parenteral and
nonparenteral means. Further work is needed to determine the specific
types of sexual activity that might predispose to HCV transmission.
Limitations of this study include the potential for underreporting STDs,
risk behaviors and recall bias, particularly regarding IDU, STDs, and
sexual behaviors. Our study did not address specific sexual habits that
may increase HCV transmission risk as well as other possible risk
factors for transmission, including sharing of razors or toothbrushes,
receipt of tattoos, or body piercings. Data regarding cohabitation where
these issues could have been explored were not collected in WIHS.
Similarly, data were not collected regarding the sharing of straws or
other devices to snort drugs, which have been hypothesized as potential
mechanisms for HCV transmission through hyperemic and traumatized nasal
mucosa. Importantly, this was a cross-sectional analysis of prevalent
HCV infection and thus, no conclusions can be made about the risk
factors for acquiring HCV infection over time. In IDU populations, the
time since first injection is frequently used to judge length of HCV
infection because HCV transmission risk is high due to very high blood
HCV levels. However, similar assumptions cannot be made with sexual
transmission as the risk following sexual exposure is much lower than
following blood exposure, most probably since genital HCV levels are
very low or undetectable.42,43 Finally, another limitation of the study
is the possible underestimation of HCV among the HIV-positive women
because of the higher rate of false-negative HCV antibody tests in this
population, particularly those with IDU and CD4 cell counts
<200cells/mm3.44,45
While in the United States HCV infection due to blood transfusions is
diminishing due to blood screening, HCV is still a major public health
concern. Use of injection and noninjection drugs is still a major
problem and is associated with trading sex for drugs or money and
engaging in risky sexual behaviors. Concerns about the higher HCV
prevalence and increasing HIV rates in Hispanics, who are the fastest
growing ethnic minority group in the United States, should alert public
health officials to the importance of the potential for sexual
transmission of HCV.46 Similarly, in the United States, HCV prevalence
rates are highest for non-Hispanic black men between 40–49 years of age
raising concern about the potential transmission of HCV to their sexual
partners who might engage in high-risk sexual behaviors.1
In conclusion, our study demonstrates an overall HCV prevalence of 6.5%
among HIV-infected and high-risk HIV-negative women without a history of
IDU or receipt of blood transfusions. In multivariate analyses, older
age, birth in the United States, unemployment, hepatitis B, HIV
coinfection, and sex with an IDU were associated with HCV infection.
Further study of other factors that may increase HCV transmission may
provide important information regarding the mechanisms of HCV
transmission and how to prevent such transmissions among HIV-infected
women with multiple risk factors.
_______________________________________________
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Honorable Professeur Von TwoSteps OA
Message-ID : <pi2hj51oklogujind...@4ax.com>
>The Hepatitis Council convenor here in Queensland
Lordy Lordy Lordy, who or what da fuk is that huh ?
I/me/mahself at times do voluntary work at HCQ HQ, never hear of that creature
Maybe someone convened an afternoon booze.up at the Railway Pub around the
corner and forgot to tell me..
I shall make urgent inquires about that yaknow, I assure you..
--
Honorable Professeur Von TwoSteps OA
Tinfoil Sombrero
God.Bless AUK for my award
nyarnon
> From : David M <bi...@microsoft.com>
>
> >The Hepatitis Council convenor here in Queensland
>
> Lordy Lordy Lordy, who or what da fuk is that huh ?
>
OK more support then:
The Hepatitis Council of Queensland Inc. (HCQ) is a not-for-profit,
non-government, community organisation. We provide:
* A FREE confidential telephone information and support service
* FREE counselling with a registered psychologist; face-to-face or
over-the-phone
* Education and training to organizations, schools and businesses
* Support groups and information evenings and events
* FREE brochures, fact-sheets, DVD's and newsletters on viral
hepatitis -
- and much, much more. So please get in contact with us!
We are open from Monday to Friday 9am-5pm (except public holidays) and
we provide a free and confidential service.
People also do volunteer work with HCQ and can make tax-deductible
donations.
The Hepatitis Council of Queensland Inc. (HCQ) is a not-for-profit,
non-government, community organisation. We provide:
* A FREE confidential telephone information and support service
* FREE counselling with a registered psychologist; face-to-face or
over-the-phone
* Education and training to organizations, schools and businesses
* Support groups and information evenings and events
* FREE brochures, fact-sheets, DVD's and newsletters on viral
hepatitis -
- and much, much more. So please get in contact with us!
We are open from Monday to Friday 9am-5pm (except public holidays) and
we provide a free and confidential service.
People also do volunteer work with HCQ and can make tax-deductible
donations.
Opening hours for the Hepatitis Council of QLD are: Monday - Friday,
9:00 am - 5:00 pm.
We will endeavour to reply to your message within 1 working day.
Hepatitis Council of Queensland Inc.
Mezzanine Floor
30 Herschel Street
BRISBANE QLD 4000
Australia
Infoline Phone: 1800 648 491
Receptionist Phone: (07) 3236 0610
Fax Number: (07) 3236 0614
Mailing Address: PO Box 13172 GEORGE STREET QLD 4003
Website: www.hepqld.asn.au
Email: rece...@hepqld.asn.au
Sounds like a good bunch of folks to get in contact with if you have
HCV.
Waterspider
So you think the poor woman is dying, yet you want to torture her until the
very end?
Even after reading your website, I think it's quite a reach calling this a
scam and considering yourself a victim of a crime (poor judgement is still
legal). Your relationship didn't work out. Everything you did was by choice
and you were at no time acting under duress. I would certainly like to hear
the other side of the story, and I'm certain there is one, before condemning
Vicky.
But, to paraphrase Nyranon, unless you've got hep C, we don't care.
Waterspider
"Honorable Professeur Von TwoSteps OA" <.@.> wrote in message
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Your humble servants eagerly await your findings.
David M
<roelfr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Sounds like a good bunch of folks to get in contact with if you have
>HCV.
Yep, Brad is the guy, very pleasant to speak with and knowledgeable.
The clinical nurse and Professor in charge at Greenslopes Hospital are
also very frank and accomodating.
Nyarnon
Well you see professionals in health care should be like that. Now how
did they feel about your lovely homepage and harrassing other heppers
just to get back on highschool sweety? There is a lot of negative energy
in that page. I think you should consider getting help there. It's not
quite the 'normal' thing to do to go outing people etc. How would you
like to have f.i. your email address published here
David F. Man.
David M
wrote:
>So you think the poor woman is dying, yet you want to torture her until the
>very end?
I am not torturing her at all, I am merely making others aware of her
actions.
>
>Even after reading your website, I think it's quite a reach calling this a
>scam and considering yourself a victim of a crime (poor judgement is still
>legal). Your relationship didn't work out
Um you dont the half of it, such as the phone calls back home to
ensure her payments were safe, and telling her boss when to expect her
back, prior to that, her promises of selling up over there, and
putting her money in, the business we were establishing, etc etc...
most of which was witnessed by others, I would not be so bold unless I
can back it all up...
Her sister told me there was no relationship, she was here to be
treated and then home....
David M
wrote:
>Well you see professionals in health care should be like that. Now how
>did they feel about your lovely homepage and harrassing other heppers
>just to get back on highschool sweety? There is a lot of negative energy
>in that page. I think you should consider getting help there. It's not
>quite the 'normal' thing to do to go outing people etc. How would you
>like to have f.i. your email address published here
>David F. Man.
I dont know h0w they feel but at least two of them ( professionals)
said that indeed, these scammers should be outed. Indeed all my
friends have said good on me for having the balls to do it.
That is what is was, a scam involving us innocent people. As I said,
she could have recieved the treatment while living with her daughter.
I know how I feel at being conned. I know how my friends feel that
worked with her. I know how my son feels.
I have not published her email address, I have left her old addresses
in to prove to her doubting family, what transpired, they were long
closed.
You can accept the fact, that in this case, I am truthfull and she is
a terrible woman. I doubt that she followed through with the treatment
anyway.
Nyarnon
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:16:41 +0000, Nyarnon <roelfr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Well you see professionals in health care should be like that. Now how
>> did they feel about your lovely homepage and harrassing other heppers
>> just to get back on highschool sweety? There is a lot of negative energy
>> in that page. I think you should consider getting help there. It's not
>> quite the 'normal' thing to do to go outing people etc. How would you
>> like to have f.i. your email address published here
>> David F. Man.
>
>
> I dont know h0w they feel but at least two of them ( professionals)
> said that indeed, these scammers should be outed. Indeed all my
> friends have said good on me for having the balls to do it.
Well your friends is not really a surprise but if you say that these
professionals tolled you to take this action I find that highly disturbing.
<snip for brevity>
> You can accept the fact, that in this case, I am truthfull and she is
> a terrible woman. I doubt that she followed through with the treatment
> anyway.
No I cannot do that. You would like me too, but I am not so stupid to
listen to one side of a story.
Honorable Professeur Von TwoSteps OA
Message-ID : <0orkj5hs4drki9u4n...@4ax.com>
>The clinical nurse and Professor in charge at Greenslopes Hospital are
>also very frank and accomodating.
I once knew a nurse that was very frank and very accommodating yaknow, one day
she gave me the flick for an older guy with a sports car, broke my heart, I couldn't
sleep, eat or shit for a week
Dude you should get ova your.self, splashing all that in.depth personal information
onto a web page then spamming it into usenet is sick. Bollywood makes movies about
weird shit like that, go and seek counseling
Maybe you could also research what dismaying emotional & psychological side affect
may/maynot present during rib.peg treatment instead of whining about how the lady
love.shuned you during her treatment and ran off with some entrepreneur..
Sometimes in life shit happens, learn to deal with it
--
Honorable Professeur Von TwoSteps OA
David M
OA <.@.> wrote:
>Sometimes in life shit happens, learn to deal with it
Yeah, thanks for that.
john
>
> I thank you for your time.
> David
Stop wasting peoples time with this NON related HepC horseshit.Move on
because you sound like a stalker.
john
john
>
> I thank you for your time.
> David
GET A LIFE ASSHOLE.
john
David M
wrote:
>GET A LIFE ASSHOLE.
Yeah, thanks for that.