Please read before committing suicide
May
however hard life may seem at the time. Not even those high born Japanese
who commit ceremonial suicide in order to atone for some disgrace. It's not
a brave person who commits suicide, only a weak person because they are
giving in. Many don't realise that people only truly learn by hardships and
strictness. We don't learn anything by kindness alone. Hardships, pain,
disabilities; to name a few all give motivation, determination to win.
We come to this Earth to develop our immortal soul and by committing suicide
means we have failed, but think of this: If you heat metal in a furnace do
you do so because the metal has erred and must be punished, or do you do it
in order to improve the qualities of the material? Such is life!
Cutting your life short only creates more problems. All I ask is that you
read this free book beforehand via this link
http://www.lobsangrampa.org/data/I Believe.pdf
Josh's Mom
I must tell you that you have no clue what the people who choose to
suicide have to endure. Yes, it would be good to save anyone and
everyone from suicide. But hardships is so not even close to the pain.
The pain they are in is beyond what you can ever imagine. I think many
don't actually want to die - they want to stop the pain. The idea that
the people who have made this choice and followed thru are weak is
crazy. They are brave. Tell me - could you stand up on a building and
jump off? Could you take a gun and pull the trigger and blow your head
off? Could you set yourself on fire with the purpose to die and end
the pain? If you think about it - it really isn't the easy way out.
They are desperate and in more pain than anything you can imagine.
Many of them have suffered with this pain for years and years. I
really don't think you should talk about things you know nothing
about. I am guessing by what you wrote you are trying to discourage
suicide. Do you really believe that if someone read what you wrote
that was considering suicide that this would help or make them feel
further alone and push them more into the final act? We have children
as young as 8 years old that suicide. Suicide is an epidemic and it
can happen even in your family. Do you know in the United States
someone takes their own life every 12 minutes? Do you have clue what
the global numbers are? Do you even care? If truly it was important to
you to help prevent suicide there are things that need to happen.
Education for many to know that there is help out there and that
things can get better for some. Our Professionals in the mental health
care - do you know how many are turned away that beg for help? Do you
know that even with insurance and asking for help how many of these so
called professionals don't really listen and just give out more pills?
Even when told month after month - year after year that the patient is
feeling worse - they just say keep taking the same pills. What about
all our military hero's that have gone and fought for our freedom -
whether or not we agree with the war - they come home and their is no
help for them. Our own government does not help them. Yes they can get
on a list and if in crisis - the list maybe a year away. Some just
aren't even told that they can even get on a list. Those that do get
help - it doesn't help. Much more research needs to be done.
My oldest son - my heart and soul, died by taking his life. A part of
me died when he died. As much as I don't want him to be gone and want
him with me again. I do understand what he believed at that time when
he made his decision and his pain was beyond what even my pain is with
grieving him for the rest of my life. Trust me my pain is horrible - I
want my son back. Yes I do know he is with God, so before you even
start the hell issue because I am betting that will be your words. My
son is now at peace and with God and I will be with him again when my
time on this Earth is up. If you have children, I pray you never
truly understand how much pain I and all parents feel when a child
dies. I know that his hell was actually here on Earth and his pain was
unbearable. He felt that dying was his only solution to end that pain.
So many believe that.
I resent the way you speak about this issue. You have no knowledge,
understanding or even compassion. Do you really believe a weak person
could pull that trigger or jump off that building or whatever else
they did to die? No they were desperate and they were brave. Most
certainly not weak. Do you really think that anyone has ever killed
themselves because of some hardships in life? Please get educated on
this subject before you speak about such things. You are doing more
harm than any good. I don't think that is your intention.
Josh's Mom
Love is Stronger Than Death
FranE...@aol.com
Oh you poor ignorant person. Suicide has nothing to do with brave or
weak. It is a malfunction in the brain. People who are suicidal need
help and hope. Not some crap like what you just wrote. You need to
be more compassionate. Remember what goes around comes around.
Anthony Wilson
<FranE...@aol.com> wrote in message
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excellent reply. weak people don't kill themselves. you don't know how or
why we exist. we didn't "come" from anywhere. we don't have immortal souls.
we become souls when we are born. When we die, that's it. I am an agnostic.
But I don't see God punishing those in pain. Suicide ends problems for the
person who did it That was his goal. I have a degree in Psychology. I would
suggest you study more so you can see things the right way.
anonymous
>
> On Jun 11, 4:13 pm, "May" <May.T.Co...@Blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > People who commit suicide don't realise that suicide is never justified;
> > however hard life may seem at the time. Not even those high born Japanese
> > who commit ceremonial suicide in order to atone for some disgrace. It's not
> > a brave person who commits suicide, only a weak person because they are
> > giving in. Many don't realise that people only truly learn by hardships and
> > strictness. We don't learn anything by kindness alone. Hardships, pain,
> > disabilities; to name a few all give motivation, determination to win.
> >
can be.
But the problem is nobody recognizes the person is unhappy and can't
find a reason
to live or doesn't realize that if they only enjoy one thing in life
such as
bouncing a ball, that is reason to live another day and if they bound a
ball for joy
each day, soon they will find a second joy or reason for living and with
time they will
find another reason and soon they don't want to commit suicide.
There are exceptions, fo course, homosexuality being one. If a young
boy or girl
turns 11 or 12 and realizes they are homosexual or likely homosexual
which are the most
hated people on the planet across all cultures, races, religions, on the
entire planet,
including parents, friends, then they have little or no hope of support
in small towns and
even possible cities.
> > We come to this Earth to develop our immortal soul and by committing suicide
> > means we have failed, but think of this: If you heat metal in a furnace do
> > you do so because the metal has erred and must be punished, or do you do it
> > in order to improve the qualities of the material? Such is life!
> >
No, we come to this earth believing that who we are with all our faults
and good qualities will
be at least accepted, ignored or loved, but learn that nobody but nobody
wants their offspring
to be homosexual. That wasn't part of the deal when the parents tried
to have a kid. They said
we will have a kid but it can't be homosexual.
> > Cutting your life short only creates more problems.
True, killing oneself is not the answer or the route one must take, but
do parents and society
send a clear message to the world that being a homosexual is not a
reason to kill ones self?
Understand that the medical community is reasonably good at giving pain
killers for physical pain, but
how good are they at giving pain killers for the brain?
All I ask is that you
> > read this free book beforehand via this linkhttp://www.lobsangrampa.org/data/IBelieve.pdf
>
> I must tell you that you have no clue what the people who choose to
> suicide have to endure. Yes, it would be good to save anyone and
> everyone from suicide. But hardships is so not even close to the pain.
> The pain they are in is beyond what you can ever imagine. I think many
> don't actually want to die - they want to stop the pain.
Exactly. How does a homosexual stop the pain of everyone on the planet
hating them
and wanting to distance themselves from them and perhaps even kill them?
> The idea that
> the people who have made this choice and followed thru are weak is
> crazy.
It is not about being weak or strong. Where on the net or where on the
earth
is it easily found of how someone who is homosexual can have good life?
F8F-Bearcat
I'd like to tell you to go fuck yourself, but I'm too much of a
gentleman to say such a thing.
Anthony Wilson
"F8F-Bearcat" <pegb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:u9sne4phahif6vdpp...@4ax.com...
Being a counselor, I am also. But I will say the following. Suicide is not
an action that strangers have the right to judge. There MAY be issues of
morality if a parent kills himself and leaves children on the street or
welfare. People are NOT weak who commit suicide. Have you ever held a loaded
gun in your mouth and realized that if you push that tiny piece of metal
called a trigger just one inch, you will take off your head forever?? I am a
retired minister. The Bible does not teach an immortal soul. Check Eccl. and
the Jews today and their beliefs about the soul. The soul can die. The soul
is YOU. Depression is an illness just as real and painful to a person as
being shot in the leg might be. Life isn't a game that we are obligated to
win. In fact, no one asked to be born, so you have no right to make them
live their lives according to your rules. So people don't have to win, they
shouldn't be forced to even play. They didn't agree to the rules of life
before they were born, so how can you hold them responsible if they break
your rules?? Who decided your view was correct??? Think about all of this. I
have first-hand experience with this topic.
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1-800-342-9647 or 1-866-966-1020 DCOE Outreach Center.
1-800-263-8255 Veterans Administration Suicide Hotline, Non-DOD, they do not share info with your command/boss unless you ask them to, so call and talk! The life you save,... may be your own! Buddy Aide! Veterans Standdown 21 Aug Pioneer Park
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http://www.militaryonesource.com/ US Military/families. PTSD and other mental health related problems.
http://www.depressionisreal.org/depression-resources.html
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We act, interact and act on things and it effects others.
Mike
Abrigon Gusiq
I scream to quiet stones
But no reply for they are gone
and long dead. Beyond my pain
anger and longing for their
forgivness. But still I scream
for the pain holds me fast.
No room for anything else.
No room for love, or joy.
Only the consuming cancer
that dwells in me, given
for failures in ancient
time, and now long gone
but still it lingers and
holds me back, with ropes
strong and tight, strangling
all that I was, locked in
pain unending, and no one to
beg forgiveness for
errors and ignorance
far from bliss.
Mike
2009
(still working on)
Abrigon Gusiq
P-Shame
A poem
A deed
Permission
A knife
A sword
A friends
Swift cut
Head rolls
And shame
Ends, honor
Restored and
Witnessed
Seppeku
Mike Adams
2011
Abrigon Gusiq
Dis-functional fun, and less than happy life style.. Mommy why you drunk again? Wheres daddy? Daddy wheres mommy, and what are you doing?
True some kids are ignorant of how good their lives are or could be..
I know for me, I was depressed and had issues I am still dealing with that I had or showed when I was 5-6.. Couping skills for one. Depression and morbid. Hyper nature and frustrations dealing with it, and how people reacted to my hyper nature.. I could have done alot better, but ...
Mike
Suicide Survivor, mine and several friends..
Abrigon Gusiq
They are gone those faces in the dark
and I am happy but sad in this for I
knew they for a short time, they have
effected and affected me more than their
lived, loves and deeds, other than our
time together as friends and some as
lovers, but love not of lust but
friendship. But now they fade and
I am at peace, but sad in their final
passing for what of them and thier
deaths? I move on and live but how
much pain has come from their deaths
some self inflected, others by mistep.
Some by some one elses hand and deeds.
But they held me for years for their
effect and lifes, lasting longer
than their lives was, but I measure
much by their passing and the result
of their passing and my knowing them.
Now to walk in the daylight, to love
myself once again, forgiven not by them
for they are beyond any thing mortal
and forgiveness is not theirs to give
but for me to forgive myself for
misdeed or just ignorance and knot
knowing how to do more or to know
the danger of their words and acts.
But I know the effect, the pain unending
what if I have screams and dwelled on
for many hours long and hard but
nothing comes back but more darkness
and it MUST end for in the dwelling
I have lost myself, dwelling in darkness
hating one self until all I have is
my self loathing and pain. Crying
alwasy never feeling more than the
obsession of the pain of their passing
and what I could have done better.
To honor them by living and not dying
to move on and help others know
the happiness of living and not
dying in darkness and wander down
paths foul and insane. Lost in the morase
of depression and dead to all but
the strongest emotions and feelings
forces to hurt one self to just feel
anything, to know anything and to hate
onself continually for what?
Something that some else did and now
long gone but me a victim still
of their passing or almost hateful
leaving of this life. Not trusting
or just not helping me to help them.
So now, we shall see, live, be happy
do not solve small problems with
permenant solutions. Think of the
others you leave behind and do you
hate them as much as what you left
them with? So please live, and
its not all bad, okay! We just over
simplify in the black and white,
dark and light, happy and lack of.
So if not for self, them for me
friends, loved ones or even those
you hate, for if anything you by
living will show your love for those
who love you, and annoy the hell
out of those who hate you and give
them purpose by hating you!
But in this I LIVE!
Mike
Alaska
2009
Abrigon Gusiq
Mike
Alaska