Can anyone breifly describe Maharaji / (Prem Rawat) 's technique of knowledge
ship
Hi
Please can anyone briefly describe to me what Prem Rewat (AKA
"Maharaji")'s "techniques of knowledge" are?
I gather I now need to spend about 80 hours watching DVDs of the main
man talking (highly repetitively), before we are allowed to be told.
Yes I desperatly need to get back into meditation. But no, I do NOT
wish to waste 80+ hours of my life in order to find out something that
he was freely given.
Any ideas?
I have done Silva, TM and various Bhuddist meditational training.
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
Jan Panteltje
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Yes Prem Pal Sing Rawat shows 4 meditation techniques.
However the ultimate technique he uses himself is to guide you
into devotion to him (as a person).
That DVD part is only the beginning, once you experience something,
and every little child should know there is a process that CAN happen
inside you, -and possibly already happens inside you- the club of 'devotees'
will start to tell you that experience is really him (P.P.S. Rawat, and some
will even tell you he is God (in more personal conversation).
So what is the plus?
The PLUS is that he is aware of that process inside and is with is most of
the time.
What is the min?
The MINUS is that ALTHOUGH he proclaims that he wants to spread it for free
(the 4 meditation techniques, the understanding and recognition of that
process hopefully) to the whole world, if you record his TV transmissions
and give these to people (burn a DVD) he will send you a cease and desist
letter (I have an email from tprf.org here if you do not believe me, just
email me (remove N o S p a m from the email address).
Why? there can be only one reason why, he wants to make money.
There are many things that happened in the past that confirm this (I know him
since 1974 really).
So the minis is that he will try to guide you into devotion for him, and
you will end up giving him your money, time, dedication.
So it is a trap, it is an old Indian trap, from the time of the caste system,
how the priests made their slaves, call themselves superior.
Same with any other church, but the pope does it a different way, but for sure
P.P.S. Rawat's devotees 'KNOW' if you leave the 'true guru' you go to hell.
So, the techniques are simple, and using these persistent will give YOU insight
of what it is you need to know, and these techniques P.P.S. Rawat shows have
been changed a number of times (did he get sued?), so whatever the latest is
I dunno.
'Guru is perfect and can make his own' I have heard.
So, I'd say get the techniques, and get the f*ck out of there.
But practice these techniques, or ANY OTHERS that suit you, consistently and
understand that power and bliss inside.
ship
Thanks. Interesting insights, though to be fair the situation
does sound pretty much as I expected!
The only thing in doubt is just how cynical he actually is
about what he is doing. He is clearly high influential (read
powerful) over thousands and thousands of people/followers/devotees.
And we all know that "power corrupts". But surely meditation brings
clarity. And surely he is aware of his ethically suspect
manipulations?!
It's easy to be cynical. But that may simply be inaccurate.
I have seen him in the flesh and for 3 or 4 hours on DVD.
I think he is *probably* sincere... he *is* trying to help.
And if his techniques *do* bring happiness/bliss/peace
to thousands of people... well, it looks like he is succeeding too!
For now, let's ignore the fact that there may well be other,
*better* techniques and fonts of wisdom out there, if his techniques
work well that's good... as far as it goes. And it may have convinced
HIM that he
is special/has The Answer.
I am also particularly intrigued that he managed to start so young - at
the age of 13 or 8 or something wasnt it?! Who the heck and why the
heck did anyone want to listen to such a young inexperienced fella
prattle on! *International* audiences all over the place, apparently.
Weird. Definitely weird.
So I am intrigued about what his meditational techniques actually
*are* that keep him in chubbily well-fed in his expensive suits...
To be completely objective about this, I think I do see contentment
in his face. And probably honesty. Though crucially not *humility*!
* * *
What originally intriqued me was that someone at my place of work
claims to have tried all sorts of different techniques... but
claims that Maharaji's is "much the best"!
* * *
> So, I'd say get the techniques, and get the f*ck out of there.
> But practice these techniques, or ANY OTHERS that suit you, consistently and
> understand that power and bliss inside.
Nonetheless, I would very much like to know wht the *current* version
of his meditational techniques actually are!
Call it my curiousity.
And I dont think it's valid to say all meditational techniques are the
same. The scientific training in me says that this is highly unlikely.
(Though yes, no doubt practise is much more important than what
actual techniques one is using...)
... But I STILL want to know what actual techniques is this "cult"
using?!
Instructions anyone?!
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
P.S. Have any of you guys tried using any modern technology to help
meditate?
e.g. Floatation tanks?
e.g. BioFeedback / EEGs from the likes of Audio Ltd in London UK
or toolsforexploration.com. I am reliably told that if you can get
your brain frequencies into the right shape you can make VERY much
faster progress in you meditations...
Anyone actually TRIED these things?
Jan Panteltje
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>clarity. And surely he is aware of his ethically suspect
>manipulations?!
Yes he is, he fired people in the organization that wanted a
different 'model'.
>It's easy to be cynical. But that may simply be inaccurate.
>I have seen him in the flesh and for 3 or 4 hours on DVD.
>I think he is *probably* sincere... he *is* trying to help.
>And if his techniques *do* bring happiness/bliss/peace
>to thousands of people... well, it looks like he is succeeding too!
So, this is the beginning, 'The goal justifies the means'.
This is what every religion thrives on!
>For now, let's ignore the fact that there may well be other,
>*better* techniques and fonts of wisdom out there, if his techniques
>work well that's good... as far as it goes. And it may have convinced
>HIM that he
>is special/has The Answer.
Possible.
>I am also particularly intrigued that he managed to start so young - at
>the age of 13 or 8 or something wasnt it?! Who the heck and why the
>heck did anyone want to listen to such a young inexperienced fella
>prattle on! *International* audiences all over the place, apparently.
>Weird. Definitely weird.
His father Shri Hans Ji Maharaj (you MUST have seen pics of him on the DVDs)
died when Prempal was 8 or so .. one of his father's devotees (father
was in the same business) named Charanand or something put Prempal on the
throne (there were already a lot of followers and a real throne), and
proclaimed him the 'new satguru'.
In fact his elder brother was supposed to followup up the father......
There were big fights in that family about that, his elder brother is now
also some guru, when Prempal married an older US women his mother flipped
out badly, and I think the original 'Divine Light mission' wealth went
eventually to his family.
The whole thing is powered by Charanand worshiping Prempal as 'God',
Satguru, whatever.
Charanand brought him to the west, and once away from P.P.R.'s family
set up shop there.
There is a song from Charanand (P.P.S. made him sing) it is called:
'We are traders of the holy name.'
This is EXACTLY the business P.P.S.R. and his family have been and are in.
They sell you knowledge of the self, of YOURSELF, then make you think is
is them, now you depend on them.
(Well they (may) give it for free, but then you forever dedicate money to
them).
Better would be to say: 'That what you experience is universal to man and
happens all the time and your chances of experiencing it are 50% with or
without me.'
But the business model is different: 'Only Guru can show it'.
Of cause you could say:
'Well if he had not talked about it nobody would know, so he does good.'
Just play some satsangs he gave in India, and he presents a more Guru
like picture there then in the west.....
He puts no end on how much you can dedicate to him, and that has strange
effects:
I have been in meetings where people were asked to take a loan on their
house to finance his new plane (yet an other one).
Of cause he NEEDS a plane to tell people about those 4 techniques.
They asked 1 million for a do-up of his house (one of the many he has).
There is really no limit to what you can give.
And totally illegal too, the meeting started of with telling us it was illegal
as he has a special tax status in the US, and is not allowed to solicit money
like that.
So, a criminal organization, people who think 'the goal justifies the means',
how did Bob Mishler (the old CEO of Divine Light Mission) die?
Shortly after he left and started saying these things and more then I do now?
Look at www.ex-premie.org (or something like that perhaps), and read their
forums.
>So I am intrigued about what his meditational techniques actually
>*are* that keep him in chubbily well-fed in his expensive suits...
The same techniques the old ones were called light, music, holy name,
and nectar.
In the latest version P.P.S.R. patented holy name as 'sit back close your
eyes and do nothing'. (knowledge session with him in Le Tourquet France).
He can sue me for revealing that if he likes, fat chance, did that
already a lot.... he has no patent on relaxing, PRIOR ART :-)
These techniques are described on www.ex-premie.org in detail,
the same techniques are in every Yoga book, I found it in my pranayama book
long before I received these 4.
So please note it is NOT those techniques.
What it is is that you need to understand what happens inside YOU.
Do not try to understand the person P.P.S.R., he has same or more faults as
anyone else, he is NOT perfect.
Understand what state you are in, is something happening that makes every
moment more beautiful, makes you go deeper ever breath, if so hang on to it.
Understand when it changes, and why, correct, and stay with it, that is where
the bliss is!
Peter
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> On a sunny day (17 Aug 2005 07:07:28 -0700) it happened "ship"
> <shi...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <1124287648.1...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >
> >Hi
> >
> >Please can anyone briefly describe to me what Prem Rewat (AKA
> >"Maharaji")'s "techniques of knowledge" are?
> >
I tried Maharajis 4 meditations, they where unpractial to use, TM has been
more practical for me. But why do you want to get his knowledge ?.
fiss
> It's easy to be cynical. But that may simply be inaccurate.
> I have seen him in the flesh and for 3 or 4 hours on DVD.
> I think he is *probably* sincere... he *is* trying to help.
> And if his techniques *do* bring happiness/bliss/peace
> to thousands of people... well, it looks like he is succeeding too!
>
Maharaji's addreses are a rich source of inspiration. Many people, as
they come to hear him again and again, experience great joy as they
uncover the depth behind his words. While some people feel satisfied
just listening to him, others want to experience for themselves the
peace within that Maharaji says is possible. For those, Maharaji offers
a practical way to that peace-four techniques he calls Knowledge. If
you wish to discover more about what Knowledge is and how to prepare to
learn these techniques, you can read a brochure
(http://thekeys.maharaji.net/downloads/DM_en/dm_en.html) or watch a
video
(http://thekeys.maharaji.net/home/downloads/discovering_more_en.html)
named "Discovering More", which clarify further what Maharaji is
offering. They are also available in print and DVD versions. More
information on how to get them is available here:
http://thekeys.maharaji.net/keys/localinfo.php
Before learning these techniques, there is a period of preparation that
may take from three to five months. The preparation involves viewing
video materials called "The Keys." There are six Keys. The first five
consist of a presentation by Maharaji and approximately ten to twelve
hours of supporting video material.
After watching the first five Keys, you can ask to be shown the
techniques of Knowledge, which are taught in the sixth Key in a special
session. These sessions take place in many countries around the world
on scheduled dates each year.
If you are interested in entering the Keys process, visit:
http://www.thekeys.maharaji.net/
--Fiss
fiss
ship
obviously a standard bit of text that you just pasted in. Am I right?
Sorry dont you have time to actually compose anything original or are
you too busy fighting a mindless war of words?
How depressing, may be Maharaji really is a cult...
Fiss, I am not impressed. I came to this newsgroup with an unbiased
open hear. But your move is a transparently counter-productive one, I
fear.
Hillariously so on reflection!
Ship
Shiperton Henteh
not_a_...@yahoo.com
> The only thing in doubt is just how cynical he actually is
> about what he is doing.
One of Maharaj Ji's 5 "Commandments" to the Premies
was(is?) "Leave no room for doubt in your mind."
> But I STILL want to know what actual techniques is this "cult"
> using?!
As Jan said, they're all available in Yoga; Patanjali's sutras.
A basic "quiet" breathing technique.
Another BT, by folding back the tongue, leads to "living waters".
A third eye technique.
An inner sound technique.
Do the ones that suit you. The whole point of techniques is to
go beyond technique. Beyond human, if possible. There's
nothing "special" about GMJ's techniques, really. Spiritual
BS plastered heavily on him, wherever possible, to add some
amount of credence.
All the listening to Satsang to qualify for "receiving Knowledge"
is to set the hooks while qualifying the fish for dinner. If you
(the fish) can listen to that much Satsang *without* meditating,
you are prime for the picking, once you've had a few "other
worldly" experiences while meditating that you can attribute
to now having "Knowledge".
> Have any of you guys tried using any modern technology to
> help meditate?
Yup.
> Floatation tanks?
Yup.
> BioFeedback
Yup.
> EEGs from the likes of Audio Ltd in London UK
> or toolsforexploration.com.
Monroe Institute Hemi-sync workshops, OK?
> I am reliably told that if you can get your brain frequencies
> into the right shape you can make VERY much faster
> progress in you meditations...
I'd agree with this. Brain entrainment, they call it. It can help,
but eventually it's just you. No tapes, no earphones, no ears.
> Anyone actually TRIED these things?
Yup, all of 'em. Anyone know where there's a floatation tank?
-Not a soul
Alis...@nothere.com
>After watching the first five Keys, you can ask to be shown the
>techniques of Knowledge, which are taught in the sixth Key in a special
>session. These sessions take place in many countries around the world
>on scheduled dates each year.
>
>If you are interested in entering the Keys process, visit:
>http://www.thekeys.maharaji.net/
>
>--Fiss
Or, you could just go to the Keys (the ones at the bottom of Florida),
order a margarita, a plate of boiled shrimp, and find enlightenment in
a really nice sunset while listening to a steel drum band.
"Om....Om on the range"
Cheers,
Dave
George Cherry
<not_a_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I used a flotation tank once and decided it didn't help enough
to warrant getting all wet in a kind of "community bathtub".
> Yup.
>
>> BioFeedback
A biofeedback machine I really enjoyed and learned from
is RESPeRATE. RESPeRATE is mentioned in the Physician's
Desk Reference as the only non-drug method proven to reduce
blood pressure. I enjoyed using RESPeRATE, learned from it,
and now I never use it, having learned what it could teach me. It
is definitely a good Breath Meditation Guru. : o )
You can learn more about it from
BTW, I have no connection with the machine's manufacturer
other than my one-time purchase of one machine. I had
done TM for 30 years, but had stalled with it. Now I'm very
involved with all kinds of meditation. I'm teaching a class
on Breathwalk this fall. RESPeRATE got me moving again
with meditation. However, I probably won't mention it in my
class on Breathwalk.
George
ship
I still find it intriquing that Mahari has managed to be as successful
as he has in the (relatively sophisticated) 1st World.
Surely there must be slightly more to The Keys?!
Maybe simple as they sound, they do actually work better than other
techniques... Or maybe they are rather inadequately described on this
thread!
I'm curious that's all.
Ship
BTW, I tried some of these techniques and yes your arm gets very tired
withing about a minute - let alone 15! I gather that there is some
device
you can use to help you keep your finger on your forhead/thumbs on your
ears. But before I rush out and buy something, can anyone - anyone who
has ACTUALLY TRIED these things - can they tell me whether they work
any better than any OTHER techniques...?
Acadia
1. Those from folks who hate Maharaji, believe that he is a fraud, and will
repeat lies or half-truths about him.
2. Those who love Maharaji, believe that he is the real deal, and will
repeat lies or half-truths about him.
In the end, it all comes down to this: YOU HAVE GOT TO LISTEN TO YOUR OWN
HEART.
In my opinion the Truth is too simple and too pure to be reasoned out by
those that hate him (all true masters have been hated by the majority for
very logical reasons, it's the safe thing to do), and those who love him
(all true masters have been loved by a small minority for very illogical
reasons, those that just don't get the TRUE message).
Again, Good Luck, and Peace be with you.
Acadia
Jan Panteltje
<acad...@ONyourLIFE.com> wrote in <dJydndAFIsK...@comcast.com>:
>
>
>Ship, you are basically going to receive two kinds of answers here:
>
>
>
>1. Those from folks who hate Maharaji, believe that he is a fraud, and will
>repeat lies or half-truths about him.
>
>
>
>2. Those who love Maharaji, believe that he is the real deal, and will
>repeat lies or half-truths about him.
>
Not exactly, you miss the point.
Love and hate has NOTHING to do with fraud or honest.
That experience inside is the source of love.
And not having it is no love.
If P.P.S. Rawat is in without experience 'in his mind' and you are with that
experience, it is impossible to love him.
So, as there are 2 persons (you and him) and 2 states, there are
4 possibilities:
You your love P.P.S. Rawat his love
1) Experience present No experience not present
2) Experience present Experience present
3) No Experience not present No Experience not present
4) No experience not present Experience present
Best is 2, but that the has an experience does not mean in any way that he
gives a f*ck or cares about you other then as a money source.
Best for you (and required anyways) is 1 or 2
Best for him (and required anyways) is 2 or 4.
In 1 you cannot possible love him, as he would suck.
He knows the trick and is not going after you for love.
In 4 he cannot possibly love you as you would suck, but you may still feel
love coming from him and you are hooked.
Such is how nature works.
If somebody was to hate him while he has no experience, that would be bliss,
and the end of that hate.
If somebody was to hate him while he had an experience, that somebody would
have problems.
If he was to hate you while you had an experience he would have problems.
Actually I have dumped VHS tapes of him, (speaking in Miami Florida) where
he did a program totally in his mind, because it was so horrible to listen
to it.
And that was a blissful experience, do not want that sort of crap in the house.
So, ALWAYS we should know:
Where are we at, be in that bliss.
And where he is at, at any time while that, makes no difference whatsoever
to you.
And that sort of defuses his 'omnipresence' and other attributes assigned to
him by the Elan Vital club.
Just make 4000% sure you are in that experience, and things will work out
for you, with or without P.P.S. Rawat, but without leaves you more money and
time.
P.P.S. Rawat presents himself these days as the 'successful business man'
(even on his own site), a change from the 1970ties the 'Lord Of The Universe',
and as a successful business man he shows he has (had) you hooked.
ship
I just want to know what the exact techniques that Mahariji teaches
are that's all - whether it "works" or not is a different debate!
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
ship
I just want to know what his techniques of "knowledge" are - EXACTLY
what they are. Then shall make my own mind up about whether or not
they work.
Like I say I dont hate PPSR nor love PPSR.
But please can someone give me the EXACT full descripton of what
his techniques of knowledge actually are!
With thanks
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
not_a_...@yahoo.com
why do you want to know what "it" is, exactly?
So anyway, like I said before:
> As Jan said, they're all available in Yoga; Patanjali's [Yoga] Sutras.
> A basic "quiet" breathing technique. [listen, feel, be your breathe]
> Another BT, by folding back the tongue, leads to "living waters".
> A third eye technique. [touch your third eye, just so]
> An inner sound technique. [plug your ears and listen]
....and do a half hour each every day. GMJ's group is founded in
Bahkti,
so the chela LOVES the guru, too. That is a MAJOR ingredient in GMJs
formula to entry level experiences in meditation [love is what works].
-Not a soul
Green Frankie
>Hi
>Please can anyone briefly describe to me what Prem Rewat (AKA
>"Maharaji")'s "techniques of knowledge" are?
Raj yoga techniques: the same as you can find in any book on the same from
any bookshop.
>I gather I now need to spend about 80 hours watching DVDs of the main
>man talking (highly repetitively), before we are allowed to be told.
Consider yourself lucky: my friend had to spend six months, 24/7, and
transform her entire life into a devotee before being granted such secret
information. It took her a further 21 years to realise she had been so
royally conned. And got nothing in return for all that effort, time, money
and devotion.
The 80 hrs dvd'ing is intended to turn you into a devotee and worship at
the feet of the 'Lord of the Universe'. The outcome is that you will
support him in his Lear-jet lifestyle and sustain his own ego/delusions. It
is not for your benefit at all.
>Yes I desperatly need to get back into meditation. But no, I do NOT
>wish to waste 80+ hours of my life in order to find out something that
>he was freely given.
>
>Any ideas?
Yes, avoid this idiocy like the plague. It is about buying into the whole
package of Maharaji being God incarnate on the earth, and being allowed the
privilege of kissing his feet (literally, not just metaphorically). Oh, and
once having the techniques 'revealed' to you, you will be sworn to secrecy
never to reveal them, to give them an extra layer of mystique....
>
>I have done Silva, TM and various Bhuddist meditational training.
If none of these have 'worked' for you in the past; why do you think it
will be any different this time?
Seriously, I suggest your time and money would be better spent working with
a psychotherapist to help you uncover what you are really trying to avoid
by escaping into meditative 'bliss'. Otherwise you are doing the mental
equivalent of drugging yourself away from reality through
meditation/medication. I'm not judging you, in saying this: I speak from
bitter and long, painful, experience.
>
>
>Ship
>Shiperton Henethe
Nowhereman
are variations of well known meditation techniques. The simplest and
most widely practised one being meditation on the breath - yes, it's
that simple. No mantras involved, just following and listening to the
breath going in and out.
If you want to discuss this further, why not go to the web forum at
http://www.drek.us/aaa/index.shtml and people there will be glad to
answer all your questions.
Philip Lewis
"ship" <shi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Having now had a look at what the 4 keys of Knowledge appear to be
> I still find it intriquing that Mahari has managed to be as successful
> as he has in the (relatively sophisticated) 1st World.
>
> Surely there must be slightly more to The Keys?!
>
> Maybe simple as they sound, they do actually work better than other
> techniques... Or maybe they are rather inadequately described on this
> thread!
>
> I'm curious that's all.
Curiosity killed the cat remember! The 'cat' is that which you are seeking
and that which is also REAL within you - if you start focussing too much on
the 'keys' or tecniques in themselves and then try to figure out how such
'simple' methods could possibly work - you have already moved away from the
whole point of receiving the keys in the first place. The keys of Knowledge
are not about a technical practice of 'meditation' or 'yoga' so you can pat
yourself on the back by getting 'good at it' - they are something much more
profound and SIMPLE at the same time, they are the methods by which you
finally get introduced to what is real and precious within YOURSELF. Give
the 'doubting Thomas' in you too much ammunition and you will NEVER
understand what the Keys are and you will miss the opportunity of a
lifetime - please take heed.
Phil
Jan Panteltje
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>"ship" <shi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Having now had a look at what the 4 keys of Knowledge appear to be
>> I still find it intriquing that Mahari has managed to be as successful
>> as he has in the (relatively sophisticated) 1st World.
>>
>> Surely there must be slightly more to The Keys?!
>>
>> Maybe simple as they sound, they do actually work better than other
>> techniques... Or maybe they are rather inadequately described on this
>> thread!
>>
>> I'm curious that's all.
>
>
>Curiosity killed the cat remember! The 'cat' is that which you are seeking
>and that which is also REAL within you
Nope, wrong.
Just for fun, I have a version of 'Remember' here, a video transmitted by
Prempal S. Rawat (alias 'Maharaji', alias 'lord of the universe', alias
'perfect master', alias 'you know who', alias ...), where he states:
http://panteltje.com/press/a1_1.mp3
You will notice that he will ALWAYS put that twist on things to make himself
'needed' to find truth.
The fact that millions of people who are not HIS devotees ALSO found truth
is never ever mentioned.
He (P. P. S. Rawat) who claims you need a LIVING master, adores a dead one
(his father), and now teaches via videos and DVDs, that he prevents others
from copying by threatening those who initially did propagation for him with
'cease and desist' emails and other intimidations (see www.ex.premie.org).
> - if you start focussing too much on
>the 'keys' or tecniques in themselves and then try to figure out how such
>'simple' methods could possibly work - you have already moved away from the
>whole point of receiving the keys in the first place. The keys of Knowledge
When I received knowledge there were no 'Keys', and I never skipped a single
meditation since the mid seventies, because I NEED to know what happens
INSIDE, much more then I need to know what new plane was given to P. P. S.
Rawat lately.
You solicited money for production of those 'Keys' DVDs via phone links in for
example the UK, spend all the money given to you on that plane?
In the seventies people received knowledge by the hundreds, several each day,
in the 'palace of peace' in London.
Many of these are still followers.
And what do you think those 'Keys' do? And how many people receive those
4 techniques these days DAILY in London?
Failure!
IT IS NOT CURIOSITY THAT KILLED THE CAT.
This curiosity, the urge to inquire, to understand is inherent to our human
species, and what makes us different from the cat is that we CAN find out,
understand, and use the acquired knowledge to our advantage (science for
example).
Religion does want you to 'walk their line', accept beliefs, 'P.P.S.R. for God'.
The day WILL come science understands that simple process in the brain that
causes us to experience 'expanding consciousness', you are but a bunch of
neurons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And from here we CAN begin, the truth IS inside!
And by the way that mp3 is made available under the 'fair use' policy
as proof and reporting to what P. P. S. Rawat actually did say, in that video
where he continues to talk about where he took of his pants.
>are not about a technical practice of 'meditation' or 'yoga' so you can pat
>yourself on the back by getting 'good at it' - they are something much more
>profound and SIMPLE at the same time, they are the methods by which you
>finally get introduced to what is real and precious within YOURSELF. Give
>the 'doubting Thomas' in you too much ammunition and you will NEVER
>understand what the Keys are and you will miss the opportunity of a
>lifetime - please take heed.
>
>Phil
The 'keys' are nothing but P. P. S. Rawat talking.
And you know that.
It is not that talking that will do it for you, the only thing that REALLY
will do it for you is the day you understand the difference between when
you are in that experience and when not. And then go for it.
If you can do that, you are truly free.
And yes, you can be grateful to P. P. S. R. for showing it, or being there to
go to as he often (but not always!) is in that place.
This is the positive things that ALL masters have said: Listening to somebody
with that experience will help you see!
Do not look at the person, look at the feeling.
pant...@yahoo.com
"Philip
Lewis" <notte...@hotmail.com> wrote in
<dji7vg$spa$1...@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>:
>
>"ship" <shi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1124711465....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Having now had a look at what the 4 keys of Knowledge appear to be
>> I still find it intriquing that Mahari has managed to be as successful
>> as he has in the (relatively sophisticated) 1st World.
>>
>> Surely there must be slightly more to The Keys?!
>>
>> Maybe simple as they sound, they do actually work better than other
>> techniques... Or maybe they are rather inadequately described on this
>> thread!
>>
>> I'm curious that's all.
>
>
>Curiosity killed the cat remember! The 'cat' is that which you are seeking
>and that which is also REAL within you
Nope, wrong.
Just for fun, I have a version of 'Remember' here, a video transmitted
by
Prempal S. Rawat (alias 'Maharaji', alias 'lord of the universe', alias
'perfect master', alias 'you know who', alias ...), where he states:
http://panteltje.com/press/a1_1.mp3
You will notice that he will ALWAYS put that twist on things to make
himself
'needed' to find truth.
The fact that millions of people who are not HIS devotees ALSO found
truth
is never ever mentioned.
He (P. P. S. Rawat) who claims you need a LIVING master, adores a dead
one
(his father), and now teaches via videos and DVDs, that he prevents
others
from copying by threatening those who initially did propagation for him
with
'cease and desist' emails and other intimidations (see
www.ex.premie.org).
> - if you start focussing too much on
>the 'keys' or tecniques in themselves and then try to figure out how such
>'simple' methods could possibly work - you have already moved away from the
>whole point of receiving the keys in the first place. The keys of Knowledge
The day WILL come science understands that simple process in the brain
that
causes us to experience 'expanding consciousness', you are but a bunch
of
neurons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And from here we CAN begin, the truth IS inside!
And by the way that mp3 is made available under the 'fair use' policy
as proof and reporting to what P. P. S. Rawat actually did say, in that
video
where he continues to talk about where he took of his pants.
>are not about a technical practice of 'meditation' or 'yoga' so you can pat
>yourself on the back by getting 'good at it' - they are something much more
>profound and SIMPLE at the same time, they are the methods by which you
>finally get introduced to what is real and precious within YOURSELF. Give
>the 'doubting Thomas' in you too much ammunition and you will NEVER
>understand what the Keys are and you will miss the opportunity of a
>lifetime - please take heed.
>
>Phil
jody radzik
extraordinare:
http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2005/09/camp-profit-for-prem.html
http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2005/09/prem-rawats-big-splash.html
http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2005/09/fave-guru-stories.html
Philip Lewis
"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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That may be - but maharaji got knowledge from a LIVING master nonetheless
(ie. his father before he died!) and you and I both got knowledge also
courtesy of a LIVING master (i.e. Maharaji).
>and now teaches via videos and DVDs, that he prevents others
> from copying by threatening those who initially did propagation for him
> with
> 'cease and desist' emails and other intimidations (see www.ex.premie.org).
I'm very pleased that a tight controll is kept upon who is attempting to
disseminate knowledge - in the wrong hands knowledge is nothing more than
just a bunch of TECNIQUES!
>
>
>> - if you start focussing too much on
>>the 'keys' or tecniques in themselves and then try to figure out how such
>>'simple' methods could possibly work - you have already moved away from
>>the
>>whole point of receiving the keys in the first place. The keys of
>>Knowledge
> When I received knowledge there were no 'Keys', and I never skipped a
> single
> meditation since the mid seventies, because I NEED to know what happens
> INSIDE, much more then I need to know what new plane was given to P. P. S.
> Rawat lately.
> You solicited money for production of those 'Keys' DVDs via phone links in
> for
> example the UK, spend all the money given to you on that plane?
>
> In the seventies people received knowledge by the hundreds, several each
> day,
> in the 'palace of peace' in London.
> Many of these are still followers.
> And what do you think those 'Keys' do? And how many people receive those
> 4 techniques these days DAILY in London?
> Failure!
>
> IT IS NOT CURIOSITY THAT KILLED THE CAT.
In the precise context I used the term it almost certainly IS!
So what - I myself received knowledge after listening for hours to Maharaji
and his instructors SPEAK!
> It is not that talking that will do it for you, the only thing that REALLY
> will do it for you is the day you understand the difference between when
> you are in that experience and when not. And then go for it.
> If you can do that, you are truly free.
> And yes, you can be grateful to P. P. S. R. for showing it, or being there
> to
> go to as he often (but not always!) is in that place.
> This is the positive things that ALL masters have said: Listening to
> somebody
> with that experience will help you see!
> Do not look at the person, look at the feeling.
Indeed - so pray tell me how you know that the person I responded is now
ready to receive knowledge - for gratifying his curiosity now would preclude
the effects of a TIMELY revelation, unless of course you deem yourself
precient enough to play the role of 'master' yourself!
Phil
Philip Lewis
"jody radzik" <jod...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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revealed the secrets of my own heart and has given me the tools to mine as
much of that inner (endless) wealth as I wish to take.
Phil
Jan Panteltje
Lewis" <notte...@hotmail.com> wrote in
<djk4bs$kuc$1...@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>:
>> The fact that millions of people who are not HIS devotees ALSO found truth
>> is never ever mentioned.
>> He (P. P. S. Rawat) who claims you need a LIVING master, adores a dead one
>> (his father),
>
>That may be - but maharaji got knowledge from a LIVING master nonetheless
>(ie. his father before he died!) and you and I both got knowledge also
>courtesy of a LIVING master (i.e. Maharaji).
Well, that depends, the TECHNIQUE was already in my yoga book.
So.... you (for example) wait and listen to X 'Key' DVDs, then receive
4 techniques that are already well known to just about everybody in India
for example, but JUST BEFORE that you are told about these (you already knew)
you have to promise P. P. S. Rawat to NOT tell anybody about it.
In one of my knowledge reviews by P. P. S. Rawat HIMSELF one of these
techniques was : 'Sit down, close eyes and do NOTHING'
Well seriously, I am not to tell anyone about that one!
Now that is a con artist trick of the other kind I'd say.
> I'm very pleased that a tight controll is kept upon who is attempting to
>disseminate knowledge - in the wrong hands knowledge is nothing more than
>just a bunch of TECNIQUES!
You really have no clue, the (P. P. S. Rawat's) techniques are a way (one of
many that exist) to focus the attention on what happens inside.
If you do not focus on what is happening inside, you may STILL figure
out what happens, as that process is ultimately stronger then you.
FYI I DID figure it out (without 'satsang' or even having heard of
P. P. S. Rawat, then later I went to look him up because I recognized
something.
That brought me in direct confrontation with the first Divine Light Mission
lunatic followers and their ways, including Jagdeo the child raper.
In fact my conversation with Jagdeo went about like this:
Me: Sir I would like that knowledge everybody is talking about, IS IT ANY
DIFFERENT from that power I sometimes feel inside, that makes my mind
still and go deeper?
JD: Do you meditate?
Me: Yes. I do (I already did yoga).
JD: Then mediate on this knowledge.
Me: But I do not have YOUR knowledge.
JD: You are not ready, then he split.
Me: I followed him (was possible in those days), he went on the phone to
P. P. S. Rawat (Lord Of The Universe at that time).
JD (to Lord Of The Universe):
Oh my Lord xx (some number do not remember) people received knowledge today!
So, JD did not want to give me knowledge, because I already had it...
Then I had it with that, went to see Lord Of The Universe Himself.
But he was not home, he was on honeymoon.... Actually I just did NOT want
those techniques, just ask him about that power inside, but Joan Apter
answered the door when I rang the bell at the divine residence ... told me to
listen to 'satsang'..
But anyways I did that for a couple of times... got knowledge from an other
mahatma (give it to him, he is ready ...).
So, HOW we receive knowledge, and WHY, only thing I know is that I sincerely
wanted truth, all of it, immediately, and took great risks and traveled for
that, left everything behind, and will do all that again.
A sincere desire, the cat's curiosity, and be clear in what you want, only ONE
priority.
Then why me, why did I understand it? Why not everybody else:
There, but for fortune go you and I.
Now F*ck your Keys little DVD shop, your fake 'ways of life' your 'way you
present yourself different in India (near God) then in the US' (successful
business man and pilot) all that crap.
It is ONLY about that process inside, NOTHING else matters.
>>
>> IT IS NOT CURIOSITY THAT KILLED THE CAT.
>
>In the precise context I used the term it almost certainly IS!
We are no cats, we are humans, we need not live as cats, ANY way you want
to keep curiosity bounded in that way you create a religion.
Curiosity is the KEY.
Religions have many followers 'I go to church because my dad and granddad
went to the same one, God is in heaven, and if I am nice and go by the concepts
om my church I will go to haven after I die.
And you wil receive knowledge after you watched XX 'Keys' DVD's.
You will then receive 4 techniques you already know about, and ALL will be different.
You must be f*cking joking!
>>>
>>>Phil
>> The 'keys' are nothing but P. P. S. Rawat talking.
>> And you know that.
>
>So what - I myself received knowledge after listening for hours to Maharaji
>and his instructors SPEAK!
Sure, possible, but this is LIFE, this is a world with DIVERSITY, we are not all like you,
in fact in P. P. S. Rawat's OWN words (if that helps you to believe):
'We are all unique' :-)
>> It is not that talking that will do it for you, the only thing that REALLY
>> will do it for you is the day you understand the difference between when
>> you are in that experience and when not. And then go for it.
>> If you can do that, you are truly free.
>> And yes, you can be grateful to P. P. S. R. for showing it, or being there
>> to
>> go to as he often (but not always!) is in that place.
>> This is the positive things that ALL masters have said: Listening to
>> somebody
>> with that experience will help you see!
>> Do not look at the person, look at the feeling.
>
>Indeed - so pray tell me how you know that the person I responded is now
>ready to receive knowledge - for gratifying his curiosity now would preclude
>the effects of a TIMELY revelation, unless of course you deem yourself
Nothing timely<<<------------- nothing revealed,.
The only revelation that needs to happen is inside that you (anybody) understands
that that process within is the source of happiness, how to stay with it.
BEFORE !!!! or AFTER or WITHOUT knowledge of ANY techniques.
It IS possible, I have experienced that, QED.
>precient enough to play the role of 'master' yourself!
Well if an uneducated school kid put on a throne by Charanand when his father
died can do it with some understanding of that process inside, then he is not
the only one.
Take notice.
If I have to I will take it from where he cops out.
Just do not like to wear those stripes, but I have them in my pocket.
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His "knowledge" has led you to *believe* the secrets of your
heart are revealed, much in the same way a born-again Christain
believes his heart is revealed through his love of Christ.
In other words, the ideology is irrelevant-if the faith is
in place. There are thousands of other approaches that would
work just as well as the money-grabbing Prem's does.
It's not what you believe, it's how you believe it. I'm
glad you feel that something is working for you. Too bad
you fail to see the evil that is perpetrated by Prem's people
in his name and in the defense of his wealth and lavish
lifestyle. That pretty much makes you a patsie.
Acadia
broken, it was never working ... :(
Acadia
"Millions long for immortality who don't know what to do with themselves on
a rainy Sunday afternoon."
-Susan Ertz
Philip Lewis
>
> Philip Lewis wrote:
>> "jody radzik" <jod...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1130172387.5...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > Prem Rawat, the private jet-flying manipulator of humanity
>> > extraordinare:
>> >
>> > http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2005/09/camp-profit-for-prem.html
>> > http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2005/09/prem-rawats-big-splash.html
>> > http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2005/09/fave-guru-stories.html
>> >
>> I couldn't give a fuck what Prem Pal does - his knowledge WORKS and it
>> has
>> revealed the secrets of my own heart and has given me the tools to mine
>> as
>> much of that inner (endless) wealth as I wish to take.
>>
>> Phil
>
> His "knowledge" has led you to *believe* the secrets of your
> heart are revealed, much in the same way a born-again Christain
> believes his heart is revealed through his love of Christ.
Wrong. The knowledge that Prem Pal promotes is not knowledge of HIM but of
that which is real WITHIN.
> In other words, the ideology is irrelevant-if the faith is
> in place.
I did not take an ideology aqnd I don't follow one either - knowledge WORKS
independent of my thoyughts and beliefs about Prem Pal - this I have already
PROVED for myself.
> There are thousands of other approaches that would
> work just as well as the money-grabbing Prem's does.
You are free to try them ALL - meanwhile I have found ONE that truly works
and that is enough for me.
> It's not what you believe, it's how you believe it.
You're mumbling. Look - you are not talking to some gullible airhead here as
much as I'm sure you would like to kid yourself otherwise.
As part of the human psyche we have what I have coined as a 'belief
engine' - this 'belief engine' is powerfull - it is what made (to those of
us from christian countries) our early childhood Christmas's so special and
magical because at one time nearly all of us BELIEVED in a 'father
Christmas' or Santa Claus. Later when we were disabused of that 'lie' the
'magic' and sparkle of Christmas began to lose it's lustre. So it is with
our 'belief engine' so that what we 'believe' in becomes a focus for our
psychic energy and the 'believed in' takes on a numinous quality.
Note that it is not important that what one believes is 'true' or not but
rather that one simply *believes* for the 'engine's' potential to be
invoked. When it came to Knowledge - I wasn't asked to BELIEVE that it works
or even what it would 'show' me - all I was shown were the keys to enable me
to look WITHIN for myself.
>I'm
> glad you feel that something is working for you. Too bad
> you fail to see the evil that is perpetrated by Prem's people
> in his name and in the defense of his wealth and lavish
> lifestyle. That pretty much makes you a patsie.
>
Too bad you ended up throwing out the 'baby' with the bathwater..
Phil
Acadia
If I recall correctly (and that's a BIG "if"; I'm over 50 so I'm officially
allowed to forget) Jesus Christ lived among theives and prostatutes; can you
imagine what the folks of his time were saying about Him?
Am I comparing JC to MJ: no way!!! If there even is such a thing as a real
"Perfect Master", they would have to be so different from one another
according to the times, locale, and consciousness of the populace, that for
us to get caught up in personalities and behavior is absurd. There is only
one way to know someone who claimes that they can take you back home, and
that is to practice or do whatever they are teaching. Yes, MJ, could be
completely false, but there is only one way to find out and it is not by
listening to rumor mongers!
The Truth is within all of us (or else life isn't even worth living, is it);
find it for gosh sacks. Does anyone have the discipline or love to dive
that deeply within, thru Knowledge (if it is real) or otherwise (and yes,
that requires letting go of the intellect, after all, we all claim to know
what is correct and the truth and we can't all be correct, can we, so let
go of it ALL!)
Acadia
Philip Lewis
"Acadia" <acad...@ONyourLIFE.com> wrote in message
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> LOL, Philip, I must admit that I dooooo like your style.
Why thank you - now I am burdened with your praise! *lol*
Well articulated and a good summary of my own thoughts and priorities! :)
Phil
>
> Acadia
>
GreenFrankie
wrote:
>
>Am I comparing JC to MJ: no way!!! If there even is such a thing as a real
>"Perfect Master", they would have to be so different from one another
>according to the times, locale, and consciousness of the populace, that for
>us to get caught up in personalities and behavior is absurd. There is only
>one way to know someone who claimes that they can take you back home,
>and that is to practice or do whatever they are teaching.
No. There is only one way to blindly follow a leader, and that is to
unquestioningly follow their teachings and practices, ignoring the
experiences of others.
>Yes, MJ, could be
>completely false, but there is only one way to find out and it is not by
>listening to rumor mongers!
There is only one way to become a brain-washed dupe as well: how does that
differ from your recommendation?
>
>The Truth is within all of us
How do you know? Not believe, or hope, but KNOW??
>(or else life isn't even worth living, is it);
You have already decided on the answer to your quest, because you are too
afraid of the consequences of not finding it to be true. When you have so
much invested in finding one answer, can you see how this distorts the
'search'? You are not in reality seeking Truth: you are seeking validation
for something you have already determined must be true.
>find it for gosh sacks. Does anyone have the discipline or love to dive
>that deeply within, thru Knowledge (if it is real) or otherwise (and yes,
>that requires letting go of the intellect,
Oh, for your sake, WAKE UP!!
>after all, we all claim to know
>what is correct and the truth and we can't all be correct, can we, so let
>go of it ALL!)
Yes, folks, follow Acadia's advice: lobotomise yourself!
>
>Acadia
>
sripat...@gmail.com
I am a Sri Lankan marine engineer. I absolutely agree with you. because normal world people think normally.
I had a many friends with MAHARAJI but I understood the all of them with cytology problems.
there is no any restrictions.(like 80 hours to see DVD)that is real bullshit.
nothing there.
my email is sripat...@gmail.com
tp +94778545780
bethr...@gmail.com
> Hi
>
> Please can anyone briefly describe to me what Prem Rewat (AKA
> "Maharaji")'s "techniques of knowledge" are?
>
> man talking (highly repetitively), before we are allowed to be told.
>
> wish to waste 80+ hours of my life in order to find out something that
> he was freely given.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Shiperton Henethe
bethr...@gmail.com
> Ship wrote:
> > The only thing in doubt is just how cynical he actually is
> > about what he is doing.
>
> One of Maharaj Ji's 5 "Commandments" to the Premies
> was(is?) "Leave no room for doubt in your mind."
>
> > But I STILL want to know what actual techniques is this "cult"
> > using?!
>
> An inner sound technique.
>
> Do the ones that suit you. The whole point of techniques is to
> go beyond technique. Beyond human, if possible. There's
> nothing "special" about GMJ's techniques, really. Spiritual
> BS plastered heavily on him, wherever possible, to add some
> amount of credence.
>
> All the listening to Satsang to qualify for "receiving Knowledge"
> is to set the hooks while qualifying the fish for dinner. If you
> (the fish) can listen to that much Satsang *without* meditating,
> you are prime for the picking, once you've had a few "other
> worldly" experiences while meditating that you can attribute
> to now having "Knowledge".
>
> > Have any of you guys tried using any modern technology to
> > help meditate?
>
> Yup.
>
> > Floatation tanks?
>
>
> > BioFeedback
>
> Yup.
>
> > EEGs from the likes of Audio Ltd in London UK
> > or toolsforexploration.com.
>
> Monroe Institute Hemi-sync workshops, OK?
>
> > I am reliably told that if you can get your brain frequencies
> > into the right shape you can make VERY much faster
> > progress in you meditations...
>
> I'd agree with this. Brain entrainment, they call it. It can help,
> but eventually it's just you. No tapes, no earphones, no ears.
>
> > Anyone actually TRIED these things?
>
> Yup, all of 'em. Anyone know where there's a floatation tank?
>
> -Not a soul
