Suggestions for this newsgroup
Jeri
piss off most of the people who post here but I think this needs to be said.
This newsgroup is becoming less and less effective as a support group. The
noise to signal ratio within support threads is increasing to the point that
supportive posts are getting lost in the chit chat. Imagine what it's like
to come to this group for the first time. Hurting, emotionally devastated,
getting up the courage to post your problem and ask for advice. You come
back and there are 20 replies! The problem is only 5 really have anything to
do with you at all. The rest are just several people having a conversation
that has nothing to do with you or your problems. How welcome would that
make you feel?
At the very least people should change the subject line so others will know
that the content of the post is no longer the same topic that started the
thread. Better yet, if you want to engage in chit chat or flirting take it
to email, ICQ, or IRC. Not only will the support, advice, and on topic
divorce/support discussions not get lost but it will make it less
intimidating for a new person to post. It's difficult enough for some to try
to become part of an already existing group especially when they're going
through the hurt and rejection of separation and divorce. It makes it that
much harder when the group becomes cliquish.
I do want to make it clear that I'm not talking about off topic threads.
Threads that are started about favorite music, jokes, food, or whatever make
the room friendlier and more approachable. Everyone can join in without
feeling like they've stepped into the middle of a private conversation.
I really hope I haven't pissed people off. That wasn't my intention at all.
Stepping down off my soapbox.
--
Jeri
"Set your course by the stars, and not by the lights of every passing ship."
-Omar Bradley
Kathryn Litherland
Jeri:
I understand what you're saying, but I want you to think about it from a
different perspective: one of the things, I think, that encourages our
long-time "regulars" to stick around and participate in the "support"
function of this NG is that fact that, while offering support to newcomers
on the specifics of divorce, it also offers a friendly place to socialize
a little. I, for one, know that if posting were limited to "divorce
support" functions, I would have been gone from here a long time ago.
I'll let you decide whether that's a good thing or a bad thing :-). For
example, I used to participate quite activiely on misc.kids about 5-6
years ago, and it felt like a "community" of sorts: about kids, but
also a fun place to "hang out." but after I came back from my
dissertation field work I discovered that, due to the increase in
spamming, flaming, and shear volume following the real "internet
explosion," misc.kids had broken up into misc.kids and
misc.kids.moderated. While the "moderated" newsgroup killed the problem
of spamming, flaming, etc., it also killed much of the sense of community,
for me at least. I didn't stick with misc.kids.moderated for long.
In a way, I feel like this place is a "community"--and I don't think the
common fact of divorce is the only thing that holds that together.
Community is not "about" a single facet of our lives; it is precisely
those multiple intersectings of interest, mutual aid, work, leisure, etc.
that makes a community. I think we in the U.S. are strange in the overall
history of human society for the way we feel the need to compartmentalize
our lives so much (this is the place I work and the people I work with,
which is separate from the neighborhood where I live, which is separate
from the church where I worship and the people I worship with, this
is the place where I come to talk about divorce, which is separate
from the place I go to talk about my son's HS graduation, etc...). I'm
not sure that's the best way to approach life.
So, I suppose we could attempt to remember to change our headers. But I'd
hate for this group to turn into a place where generic "advice-bots"
response helpfully to all questions, without having the latitude to
develop our self-presentation as being fully rounded individuals who are
so much more than "a divorcé(e)."
-----
Dr. Kathryn Litherland
Managing Editor
Journal of Latin American Anthropology
Snoopy Jones
much like high school.
Having said that, I also somewhat agree with Kathryn's comments.
There must be some middle ground, although I couldn't find any with my
former best friend, now apparently my biggest enemy!
Steve Martin
"Jeri" <starg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:PTJW6.206280$f85.31...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com...
Jeri, I agree that a lot of the replies have gotten off the thread, and I am
guilty of being one of the worst violators. Thank you for bringing it to my
attention, and I will do better in the future.
I have read your posts for a while and know that you are sincere in your
comments. There is no offense taken as I know there is no offense meant.
Kathryn does have a point of why some of our interaction is desirable and
healthy. I am sure with the collective wisdom here that we can find a way
to accommodate everyone's needs.
Snoopy Jones, Can you be more specific on your complaints about the Sat.
night chats? I have been to almost every one of them, and have not noticed
any cliquish behavior. And I don't recall your name showing up. Did you
visit as someone else?
sam
Don't push the red button, Never push the red button! Daffy Duck
shinypenny
for a long while. Now I have found the need to come back for a spell
(hopefully only temporarily, while I work out some things on my mind).
From that perspective, I have to say that I've been musing to myself
how nice and civil this group has become! Much more approachable.
Years ago, it was pretty intimidating, and you had to be bold or a
complete masochist to stick your neck out, on certain issues.
On the whole, the opinions and personalities seem a lot more balanced
than they used to be. I don't see the sort of personal attacks, and
endless debates, that I used to see (and, um, let myself get sucked
into).
Or......... maybe it is just my attitude? Maybe I'm not so fragile
anymore? I don't know. Interesting question.
But if it is because I'm not so fragile anymore, then surely this
group should take some credit for that.
jen
"Jeri" <starg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<PTJW6.206280$f85.31...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>...
Fido
>
> This has been bothering me for quite some time now and I'm hoping I
> don't piss off most of the people who post here but I think this needs
> to be said.
>
> This newsgroup is becoming less and less effective as a support group.
> The noise to signal ratio within support threads is increasing to the
> point that supportive posts are getting lost in the chit chat.
Well, first, this is usenet, and I will tell you from many years posting
to various groups, the advice you get on usenet is almost always just
plain lousy.
But that doesn't mean it's useless. I learned a *lot* by reading here.
First - was that I was not alone. Secondly - I was not crazy. Well, not
compaired to the folks that post here. What I mean is.... that I learned
that what I was going through was typical. Almost boringly typical.
> I really hope I haven't pissed people off. That wasn't my intention at
> all.
Then *you* provide helpful advice. You know, that empathetic stuff takes
a *lot* of energy, and it is hard to do it for a long time.
> Stepping down off my soapbox.
:-)
Best - Fido
floridaNB
wrote:
>I was a regular on this newsgroup three years ago. Then I disappeared
>for a long while. Now I have found the need to come back for a spell
>(hopefully only temporarily, while I work out some things on my mind).
>
>From that perspective, I have to say that I've been musing to myself
>how nice and civil this group has become! Much more approachable.
>Years ago, it was pretty intimidating, and you had to be bold or a
>complete masochist to stick your neck out, on certain issues.
>
>On the whole, the opinions and personalities seem a lot more balanced
>than they used to be. I don't see the sort of personal attacks, and
>endless debates, that I used to see (and, um, let myself get sucked
>into).
Perhaps it was like that three years ago but two years ago this was a
fairly civil, friendly place.
>Or......... maybe it is just my attitude? Maybe I'm not so fragile
>anymore? I don't know. Interesting question.
That has to be true for all of us other than the trolls.
>But if it is because I'm not so fragile anymore, then surely this
>group should take some credit for that.
>
>jen
Nah, you get the credit ... although it is helpful to know you, as an
individual, are not the only one in the whole world facing problems,
without being receptive to suggestions and new ideas, nothing would
have changed.
FloridaNB
Drinky-Crow
<snoo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I agree and feel much the same way about the Sat. night chats. Very cliquey,
>much like high school.
>
Ahh, that explains the comment about 'cliques' I saw in last night's
chat. My newsgroup feed was down, so I didn't see the above message
until this morning.
Let me state first off, that I'm not a shill or a plant! Having said
that, I must say that while Snoopy and I have probably both seen the
same behavior in the ASD Chat channel, we've prolly interpreted it
differently.
Sure, I felt odd coming in as a neophyte to the channel, and also as a
long-time lurker to the group. I noticed almost right away that the
folks in the channel certainly had an air of community about them- the
'regulars' were both comfortable enough with each other, and knew
enough about each other to have interesting and serious conversations.
Conversations such as you would have if you bumped into an old friend
in the grocery store.
However, I was also welcomed into the group. While it was true that I
couldn't participate in many of the more personal conversations, 'twas
not because the 'clique' excluded me, but only that, as a newcomer, I
didn't know the background, yet. And actually, getting to know the
other people on the group has happened pretty quickly, and on my own
terms, too. No-one took me by the hand and 'led me around making
introductions', so to speak. But if the conversation turned to a
topic that interested me, I was free to blurt something out, and my
comments were listened to, and replied to (right, guys? You aren't
all laughing at me behind my back in there, are you... : - )
That meant I got out of it exactly as much as I was willing to put
into it.
With the current average count of 6 - 12 members, the ASD Chats are a
great way to talk with fellow newsgroup members in an environment
where the signal-to-noise ratio is quite favorable. Ever seen the
chat rooms where 150 members are awash in a sea of Hello's and Bye's?
Regarding the newsgroup, I too will agree that i've seen threads
devolve into a running string of puns and in-jokes once the original
poster's question has been answered. In truth, it never bothered me,
I thought it was pretty cool that the regular posters knew each other
well enough to josh and kid with each other that way.
If folks are willing to self-moderate, and move the kidding & puns to
a separate thread, that's certainly fine. If it disappears entirely,
I will miss it. Perhaps I need more interaction with 'real' humans
out in the 'real' world, but I find that a little time here blowing
off steam and reading the funny comments cheers me up. I'm sure
others get the same effect out of it.
However, if there's one Usenet pet peeve of mine, it would be this:
My newsreader sucks in the headers, and I can then select which
messages I wish to grab. Along with the header, I see the number of
lines each message is composed of. Back in the day of measured
internet service (that's how old I am!) it made a difference, and one
tended to only grab the shorter messages.
Nevertheless, it's annoying to see a 30-line message, with half a
dozen replies, and each reply is larger and larger than the last...
So if there's one rule I would encourage, it's this:
TRIM YOUR REPLY! TRIM YOUR REPLY!
Nothing bugs me more than seeing a reply that makes me scroll
wayyyyyyyyyy down to the end, only to see all quoted text except for a
one line "Yeah, Me Too!" reply at the end.
I know, I'm getting cranky in my old age (see above for age). And I
certainly understand that snipping-and-quoting depends on one's
software, not everyone uses the same newsreader, and some may be
unable to snip and quote. Some may just not want to, either. Other
reasons may apply. I'm not mad at anyone, and I CERTAINLY don't ever
want to discourage anyone from posting.
So no harm done, I hope- I'm not gonna rant and flame about it, and I
don't want to be thought of as the resident ranting looney. We seem
to have a couple already, and I don't want to deny them their pleasure
(or whatever they get out of it).
So, er, I guess all that's left to say is "Party On!"
--Drinky
p.s. wanna see a newsgroup full of flaming, spamming gratuitous
cliques, arcane terminology, and possibly the worst signal-to-noise
ratio on Usenet? Check out alt.religion.scientology someday....
hehehehe
bean-counter
"Drinky-Crow" <drinky-crow@no_one_here.com> wrote in message
> --Drinky
>
> p.s. wanna see a newsgroup full of flaming, spamming gratuitous
> cliques, arcane terminology, and possibly the worst signal-to-noise
> ratio on Usenet? Check out alt.religion.scientology someday....
> hehehehe
I saw the same type of stuff in alt.support.depression...I think I read it
for a week and decided it wasn't worth my time.
bc
p.s. did I snip enough for you, Drinky?? :c)
Joe St. Lucas
>wayyyyyyyyyy down to the end, only to see all quoted text except for a
>one line "Yeah, Me Too!" reply at the end.
My peeve is a one line response and a 20 line sig file.
FOUR line sig files are the courteous limit.
Snoopy Jones
We can agree to disagree. I stand by MY perception as I am sure that it is
accurate of what I felt.
For weeks prior to my wife leaving I could not access the chat as I was
behind a router/firewall. Once she left I got rid of it and looked forward
to getting some much needed support when I logged into the chat. I used the
handle IpswichMA. I was welcomed and then it went about it's business. I
thought that it was to be more folks helping each other out than what it
turned out to be. My fault. The reality fell short of my expectations. The
two occasions when I lurked in must have been at a time when chat room
occupancy was very high and many different threads were running at the same
time.
I still think that the original poster Jeri had some great comments. I only
agreed and added my chat comment.
I'm not asking you to validate my impressions, just accept that they are my
impressions. They might be shared by other people too battered by their
situation to come out of the shadows where they lurk.
To quote Jeri "I really hope I haven't pissed people off. That wasn't my
intention at all."
<rant/on>
Not been a great week my former best friend, now apparently my worst enemy,
has escalated this war of who bought which CD to the point that I spent
$1500 in court fighting over $500 worth of possessions. No end in sight. My
legal bills for just 6 weeks are $5200. She was the one who said she wanted
to be FRIENDS. She was the one who out of the blue said she was leaving (and
she did, with a GUN). She said she would listen, BUT she wasn't changing her
mind.
When I asked why, she said that I never accepted her, that I thought her
family was trash, she didn't get the wedding she wanted 21 years ago but the
one my mother wanted, that my father made my mother's life miserable by
manulipulating her throughout their 53 year marriage ended by her cancer
death 5 years ago and now he was making her life miserable by manulipulating
her(my wife) through me.
She said that she would leave the house, have me served with divorce and an
order to vacate and be back in the house within a week! To do this in Mass.
she had to claim abuse. Remember, she left with a GUN. I now have a
restraining order against me. She has come to the house twice to pick up
personal possessions. She agreed to only take what was stipulated by the
court. I agreed to many more items. If she thinks that I won't agree to an
item she now just takes them. There was a cop here the last time, still she
has stolen at least 5 items.
<rant/off>
WOW!! That felt GOOD!!
"Why can't we just get along?" - Rodney King
Thanx for listenin',
Snoopy aka IpswichMA aka Phil
Snoopy puts on his flame-proof suit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janie" <Mac_...@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.support.divorce
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Suggestions for this newsgroup
> In article <MZLW6.1460$P46.7...@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, Snoopy
> Jones <snoo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree and feel much the same way about the Sat. night chats. Very
cliquey,
> > much like high school.
>
> Snoopy I'm not sure this is accurate.
>
> So it seems to me an unfair burden to place on those who do the chats
> comfortably, to say that they are responsible for "making" anyone feel
> comfortable or not in the chat. So long as folks aren't doing anything
> overt to make others feel UNcomfortable, it seems to me that it's the
> responsibility of each of us to find our own comfort level in whatever
> social setting we choose to interact.
>
> However, I do acknowledge that there are times when 2 or 3 folks will
> get caught up in some history of their own, or some topic that only
> interests them, and seem to totally forget anyone else is in the
> channel with them.
> Janie
>
> --
> The reason why rivers and seas receive the homage of a hundred mountain
> streams is that they keep below them. -- Lao Tse
Fido
>
> Remember, she left with a GUN. I now have a
> restraining order against me.
Hey, yes, you *are* getting divorced in Massachusetts!
Hey, in Maine she slugged me, I called the cops, and the next day she
shows up in court at the custody hearing with a request for a
restraining order, wacky isn't it?
Anyway, you are lucky she did not shoot you with the gun. As I
understand the law in Massachusetts, if you get in the way of a bullet
fired by your wife, even if you do so inadvertently, then you can be
charged with assault.
Best - Fido
Brandon Hutchison
> I understand what you're saying, but I want you to think about it from a
> different perspective: one of the things, I think, that encourages our
> long-time "regulars" to stick around and participate in the "support"
> function of this NG is that fact that, while offering support to newcomers
> on the specifics of divorce, it also offers a friendly place to socialize
> a little.
That wasn't the complaint...it was simply suggested that the Subject
heading reflect the main topic of the post.
If someone wants to change a topic under discussion, they should amend the
Subject heading.
This should apply to any topic, but I can see how it is more important
to do so when someone is seeking support and you have changed their theme.
Other usenet etiquette that is almost universally ignored is taking care
not to quote too much from earlier postings.
Please repost enough to make it clear what you are talking about, but
please not the entire previous posting ...which probably already includes
several entire postings from earlier people.
Following this rule saves bandwidth...modem time nad money...and makes
discussions easier to follow...
Brandon Hutchison
Indy
I was at first worried about chatting so I didn't. I waited a while then
curosity got the better of me, I decided to check it out. I too was welcomed.
I sat in silence as they chatted away, then it occured to me, if I wanted to
talk about something or wanted the others to respond to me I had to first
either ask a question or join into the conversation.
I was even asked why I was so quiet. I have found that the chats are a
helpful way to get to know one another in a firendly way. There are regulars
in the channel to be sure, (and I am an irregular (LOL) )
BUt I have found you need to hgive it a chance.
Sometimes it's silly in there, sometimes it's serious, it can't always be one
way.. Sometimes when dealing with such a sensitve subject you need to have a
little bit of humour and nonsence, other wise it's psotively depressing.
floridaNB
(Drinky-Crow) wrote:
<snip>
>However, if there's one Usenet pet peeve of mine, it would be this:
>My newsreader sucks in the headers, and I can then select which
>messages I wish to grab.
You are using Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 ... that version is known
to have some Y2K problems. You may want to download v1.21 ... it will
install right over the other one and pick up all your saved databases.
>Along with the header, I see the number of
>lines each message is composed of. Back in the day of measured
>internet service (that's how old I am!) it made a difference, and one
>tended to only grab the shorter messages.
>
>Nevertheless, it's annoying to see a 30-line message, with half a
>dozen replies, and each reply is larger and larger than the last...
>
>So if there's one rule I would encourage, it's this:
>TRIM YOUR REPLY! TRIM YOUR REPLY!
>
>Nothing bugs me more than seeing a reply that makes me scroll
>wayyyyyyyyyy down to the end, only to see all quoted text except for a
>one line "Yeah, Me Too!" reply at the end.
As you know, FreeAgent and Agent highlight quoted text in one color
and new text in another color making it quite easy to find the new
material ... BUT if people start a line with a recognized quote
character (">" or ":") it can be a bear trying to figure what is new
text.
Additionally, it would help if people hit the return key twice before
inserting new text into quoted material ... especially for those whose
newsreaders do not show quoted vs new text in different colors.
>I know, I'm getting cranky in my old age (see above for age). And I
>certainly understand that snipping-and-quoting depends on one's
>software, not everyone uses the same newsreader, and some may be
>unable to snip and quote. Some may just not want to, either. Other
>reasons may apply. I'm not mad at anyone, and I CERTAINLY don't ever
>want to discourage anyone from posting.
I will wade through interesting posts no matter how difficult they may
be to decipher but mentioning these simple conventions helps those new
to Usenet to modify their behavior if they want the widest possible
audience.
Btw, I might add that many major ISPs will not carry posts done in
HTML or with binaries included or attached. Usenet groups, unless
specifically designated for binaries, are supposed to be done in plain
ASCII text. People can post anything they like but as a Mindspring
user, I will never see such posts unless someone else quotes them.
Thread drift does not bother me ... once a thread veers into a
direction I don't care to go, I just ignore it. YMMV
FloridaNB
floridaNB
>> I really hope I haven't pissed people off. That wasn't my intention at all.
<snip>
>I would like to use a few words to echo what Jen said - I've been
>posting/reading here since 1998, with about 10 months off from mid-99
>to mid-2000. My first day reading the group in '98, I came in during
>an internal "war" between Andre, Victoria Lee, Daisy and a few others.
>Now *that* really put me off. If other posters hadn't been carrying on
>"as usual" around the periphery of that battle, I wouldn't have stayed.
<snip>
Ah, this brings back fond memories of the flame war between Fido and
Big Daddy .... were you here then or was that during your vacation
from the group? That one was a classic :-)
FloridaNB
Drinky-Crow
(floridaNB) wrote:
>
>You are using Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 ... that version is known
>to have some Y2K problems. You may want to download v1.21 ... it will
>install right over the other one and pick up all your saved databases.
Really? Hmm, haven't noticed any problems yet, but thanks for the
tip.
My computer is as Microsoft-Free as I can comfortably make it (sure, I
could switch to Linux... someday... )
>
>As you know, FreeAgent and Agent highlight quoted text in one color
>and new text in another color making it quite easy to find the new
>material ... BUT if people start a line with a recognized quote
>character (">" or ":") it can be a bear trying to figure what is new
>text.
Yeah, it happens to me, too.. I stick a smiley in, and it appears I'm
quoting something else... The color feature is cool.
>
>Additionally, it would help if people hit the return key twice before
>inserting new text into quoted material ... especially for those whose
>newsreaders do not show quoted vs new text in different colors.
>
[snip]
>
>Btw, I might add that many major ISPs will not carry posts done in
>HTML or with binaries included or attached. Usenet groups, unless
>specifically designated for binaries, are supposed to be done in plain
>ASCII text. People can post anything they like but as a Mindspring
>user, I will never see such posts unless someone else quotes them.
My ISP filters these out: most of the time, all I see is the person's
followup post, where they're saying "Hey, why is everyone mad at me
for posting a picture?"
Speaking of... My Non-Microsoft email program doesn't understand
anything but plain text, and all attachments are saved separately. I
like it, I don't see the cutesy flowery backgrounds and crap, and no
worries about malicious VBS scripts sneakin' into my in-box!
(Ok, I really am old and grumpy, aren't I? Ah, well, I earned the
right, I think...)
--Drinky
Indy
>> My computer is as Microsoft-Free as I can comfortably make it (sure, I
>> could switch to Linux... someday... )
>
You said it Janie!! I just spent the better part of the day on a PC, and am
so happy to be back on my MAC!! (now if only I could afford to get one of
the newer faster models I'd be one happy camper!)
Drinky-Crow
>
>Just get a Mac :-)
>
>--
>The reason why rivers and seas receive the homage of a hundred mountain
>streams is that they keep below them. -- Lao Tse
(sounding letters out...) "M..... A...... C...... "
Hmm, okay, I am sorta hungry, and Mickey D's is just up the road.. but
what that has to do with my operating system is beyond me...
: - )
--Drinky
wolf...@yourmamma.net
wrote:
Hmm... Atleast the sig line is at the bottom of the message.
My bug... excessive quoting.
Why quote 70 lines when your responce is generated by only a line or
two? Save bandwith folks!
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(Drinky-Crow) wrote:
>(sounding letters out...) "M..... A...... C...... "
Mothers Agnist Canada???
As the music of South Park floats through my mind... ;)
Indy
>Janie (Power Mac G3)
I'm Jealous!!! (LOL)
I know there are good points and bad about PCs, but I just prefer my Mac.. It
NEVER gave me as much printer trouble as the PC has been. Then agan My Mac
doesn't support Yahoo chat (lol)
galaxies1973
> I would like to use a few words to echo what Jen said - I've been
> posting/reading here since 1998, with about 10 months off from mid-99
> to mid-2000. My first day reading the group in '98, I came in during
> an internal "war" between Andre, Victoria Lee, Daisy and a few others.
> Now *that* really put me off.
Sheesh - how many of those wars *are* there? I think there was one going
on when I started in early 2000...
Daisy
was going on in 1998? I remember my feelings and emotions were very raw
back then just having my husband leaving after the death of our son in June
of 97.
How's everyone doing anyway? Just popped in to say hello and noticed "my"
name!! LOL Hope everyone is doing fine, I'm doing quite well. Ta Ta for
now!!
Daisy
"galaxies1973" <galax...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.A41.4.10.1010620...@nimbus.dartmouth.edu...
galaxies1973
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:31:54 GMT, florid...@hotmail.com
> (floridaNB) wrote:
>
> >
> >You are using Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 ... that version is known
> >to have some Y2K problems. You may want to download v1.21 ... it will
> >install right over the other one and pick up all your saved databases.
>
>
> Really? Hmm, haven't noticed any problems yet, but thanks for the
> tip.
>
> My computer is as Microsoft-Free as I can comfortably make it (sure, I
> could switch to Linux... someday... )
Do it! do it! Most distributions of linux these days make it easy to go
with dual-boot, for those times when you really do need the hell that is
windows.
Michelle
Fido
:-)
Daisy wrote:
>
>
> How's everyone doing anyway?
I'm crabby. My daughter moved in with me, after having a tiff with her
mom, and it was great. Then mom threatened her with losing her computer,
phone line and room to her brother if she didn't return.
I don't understand that, her brother already has his own room, what is
he going to need two rooms for?
Anyway, she (reluctantly) agreed she would return when school was over
(co-dependency runs in the family), that was about a month ago, and
school ended yesterday, so she moved back with her mom, and I am kinda
depressed about that, I love having my kids with me. :-)
So for the past 7 weeks I've been listening to her mom rail on my
parenting skills, I work too much, I'm not strict enough with the kids,
blah, blah, there's no one to watch them... today I get a call from my
10 yo at work, he wants to know his mother's work number.
How come he knows *my* number but he doesn't know his mom's? And why
can't he ask an adult for that number - is he home alone?
Man, this sucks. Well, as long as I try to keep up with the child
support payments, I won't get any trouble from the kids' mom. I mean,
that's what this is *really* about, isn't it?
Screw the Guardian Ad Litem, I'll tell you. She missed the boat big
time. Well, I think she hated dads anyway. Fuck Maine courts.
So, how 'bout you? How you doing?
Best - Fido
Daisy
Fido
:-)
Daisy wrote:
>
> Hi ya Fido, hows it goin?
Aside from what I posted - great!
Best - Fido
Daisy
through his senior year of high school. Needless to say he and his new
wifey wasn't too happy!! I'm doing great! New hubby is working for the
city water department and everything is hunky dory!
Daisy
"Fido" <tomch...@nxi.com> wrote in message news:3B30F3...@nxi.com...
Donna
Yeah (waxing nostalgic) I remember my first newsgroup way back in 1990
- alt.tv.seinfeld. :)
Membership in that group actually spawned a few books, t-shirts,
studio tapings, meetings with the cast of the show and story ideas
direct to the writers.
The internet sure has opened up many doors for us who otherwise would
have *no*life!
This group has always come through for many of us with lots of
positive advice. The drawback is that once one has healed and moved
on, it is hard to come back on a frequent basis and hear the sadness.
But I will defend this group to the end - Great bunch of people here,
and yes, just like a microcosm of the world, some idiots and some
wonderful people.
Besides, one of my very best friends hangs out here and I have to poke
my head in once in awhile to listen to what he has to say!
Cheers,
Donna
"Daisy" <ms_d...@swbell.net> wrote in message news> Oh the memories :) Seriously though, why would you bring up something that
shinypenny
Congrats on your marriage! You sound good.
jen
"Daisy" <ms_d...@swbell.net> wrote in message news:<gB5Y6.288$Mz1....@nnrp1.sbc.net>...
Fido
:-)
Daisy wrote:
>
> Doing OK, just took the ex back to court to keep child support coming
> through his senior year of high school. Needless to say he and his
> new wifey wasn't too happy!!
Tell him he should be happy that he only has one more year to go! I've
got 8 more years!
And I intend to be crabby during every one of them! (And then I gotta
put 3 kids thru college!)
> I'm doing great! New hubby is working for the
> city water department and everything is hunky dory!
Terr-if-ic!
Best - Fido
>
> Daisy
>
YooperBoyka
galaxies1973 <galax...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.A41.4.10.1010620...@nimbus.dartmouth.edu...
>
> with dual-boot, for those times when you really do need the hell that is
> windows.
>
That's it. I'm sold.
Kats
GMT> (Drinky-Crow) wrote:
>
> >(sounding letters out...) "M..... A...... C...... "
> Mothers Agnist Canada???
Heyyyyyyyyyyyyy...ya got somethin' against us MAC's??? *pout*
>
> As the music of South Park floats through my mind... ;)
You really need to broaden your TV exposure, wolfie...LOL
Kats
<who finally got the time to reprogram her emailer <yeahhh!!..successfully
too> and play catchup>
Kats
You're like me....let bigones be bigones :). Though I only had one wee run
in.
Hope you are still honeymooning :)
Kats
*** The only thing that stays the same is change ***
"Daisy" <ms_d...@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:gB5Y6.288$Mz1....@nnrp1.sbc.net...
Daisy
happier, thanks for asking. And I owe alot of it to this group, they got me
over some rather strange situations and I will eternally grateful!
Daisy
"Kats" <bamb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:DJnY6.111119$r7.14...@news1.busy1.on.home.com...
wolf...@yourmamma.net
>> >(sounding letters out...) "M..... A...... C...... "
>> Mothers Agnist Canada???
>Heyyyyyyyyyyyyy...ya got somethin' against us MAC's??? *pout*
Brian Adams...
>> As the music of South Park floats through my mind... ;)
>You really need to broaden your TV exposure, wolfie...LOL
But it was such a catchy tune... Blame Canada, blame Canada...
With the Simpsons, Futurama, Red Dwarf and Trek do you really more
television?
floridaNB
(Drinky-Crow) wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:31:54 GMT, florid...@hotmail.com
>(floridaNB) wrote:
<snip>
>Speaking of... My Non-Microsoft email program doesn't understand
>anything but plain text, and all attachments are saved separately. I
>like it, I don't see the cutesy flowery backgrounds and crap, and no
>worries about malicious VBS scripts sneakin' into my in-box!
>
>(Ok, I really am old and grumpy, aren't I? Ah, well, I earned the
>right, I think...)
>
>--Drinky
Ha! I am wed to Eudora Light ... I started when she was just a .8 or
.9 little girl and went through all the upgrades through v1.x, 2.x and
3.x until I hit v3.06 ... then I stopped (although I did add the spell
checking feature from v4-pro to her). I like my text only e-mail
program; the only way a virus is going to get me through an e-mail
attachment is if I am stupid enough to run an executable without
knowing its source or without looking at ALL the file extensions...
plus embedded executables don't work in her at all :-)
For the web I use Netscape v4.08 .. browser only ... no mail and no
newsreader ... nothing in the browser has my "real" e-mail address,
name, etc. I too do not care about dancing elephants and malicious
code (especially with Java turned off other than for the most trusted
sites).
FloridaNB
floridaNB
wrote:
>Oh the memories :) Seriously though, why would you bring up something that
>was going on in 1998? I remember my feelings and emotions were very raw
>back then just having my husband leaving after the death of our son in June
>of 97.
>How's everyone doing anyway? Just popped in to say hello and noticed "my"
>name!! LOL Hope everyone is doing fine, I'm doing quite well. Ta Ta for
>now!!
>
>Daisy
Hiya Daisy... I don't get here all that frequently these days. It's
nice to see you are your happy "old" self.
FloridaNB
Drinky-Crow
(floridaNB) wrote:
>
>Ha! I am wed to Eudora Light ... I started when she was just a .8 or
>.9 little girl and went through all the upgrades through v1.x, 2.x and
>3.x until I hit v3.06 ... then I stopped (although I did add the spell
>checking feature from v4-pro to her). I like my text only e-mail
>program; the only way a virus is going to get me through an e-mail
>attachment is if I am stupid enough to run an executable without
>knowing its source or without looking at ALL the file extensions...
>plus embedded executables don't work in her at all :-)
>
>For the web I use Netscape v4.08 .. browser only ... no mail and no
>newsreader ... nothing in the browser has my "real" e-mail address,
>name, etc. I too do not care about dancing elephants and malicious
>code (especially with Java turned off other than for the most trusted
>sites).
>
>FloridaNB
>
Really? Me, too! I'm using Eudora (but 3.03) and I always think of
the running joke on the Simpsons when I start it up.
Are you sure you aren't my alter ego, running around at night posting
on Usenet when I'm supposed to be sleeping?
--Drinky
Werebat
>
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 15:51:51 GMT, florid...@hotmail.com
> (floridaNB) wrote:
>
> >
> >Ha! I am wed to Eudora Light ... I started when she was just a .8 or
> >.9 little girl and went through all the upgrades through v1.x, 2.x and
> >3.x until I hit v3.06 ... then I stopped (although I did add the spell
> >checking feature from v4-pro to her). I like my text only e-mail
> >program; the only way a virus is going to get me through an e-mail
> >attachment is if I am stupid enough to run an executable without
> >knowing its source or without looking at ALL the file extensions...
> >plus embedded executables don't work in her at all :-)
> >
> >For the web I use Netscape v4.08 .. browser only ... no mail and no
> >newsreader ... nothing in the browser has my "real" e-mail address,
> >name, etc. I too do not care about dancing elephants and malicious
> >code (especially with Java turned off other than for the most trusted
> >sites).
Heh. I'm using Eudora Pro 2.1.2 and Netscape 2.0!
It's very easy to forge your headers with Netscape 2.0, you see.
- Ron ^*^
Drinky-Crow
wrote:
>
>
>Heh. I'm using Eudora Pro 2.1.2 and Netscape 2.0!
>
>It's very easy to forge your headers with Netscape 2.0, you see.
>
> - Ron ^*^
Y'mean all this jazz? What did you forge?
Oh, and can Eudora Pro filter out e-mail addys? I'm getting a
boatload of spam, these days...
--Drinky
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floridaNB
(Drinky-Crow) wrote:
>Oh, and can Eudora Pro filter out e-mail addys? I'm getting a
>boatload of spam, these days...
I've forgotten .. does Eudora Light v3.03 have filters? V3.06 has
filters you can use in many different ways. I also added spell
checking to V3.06 even though that was not an original option .. just
need a couple of files in the right directory :-)
I get no spam to my "real" e-mail accounts because I NEVER use them on
Usenet or when registering for things on web sites. Soon Earthlink
is going to boost our price by $2/month but in exchange we will get 8
e-mail addresses (I have 3 with my Mindspring account).
Th hotmail account I use here gets loaded with Spam ... and so do my
several Yahoo accounts. I prefer Yahoo because I can use Eudora to
check them and send mail instead of using those awful web interfaces.
FloridaNB
Drinky-Crow
(floridaNB) wrote:
>On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 00:16:42 GMT, drinky-crow@no_one_here.com
>(Drinky-Crow) wrote:
>
>>Oh, and can Eudora Pro filter out e-mail addys? I'm getting a
>>boatload of spam, these days...
>
>I've forgotten .. does Eudora Light v3.03 have filters? V3.06 has
>filters you can use in many different ways. I also added spell
>checking to V3.06 even though that was not an original option .. just
>need a couple of files in the right directory :-)
Oh, heck. Yes, I just checked, and it's the first item under the
'Tools' menu. Guess I should occasionally LOOK at the software I'm
using, and see if it can do anything new.
>
>I get no spam to my "real" e-mail accounts because I NEVER use them on
>Usenet or when registering for things on web sites. Soon Earthlink
>is going to boost our price by $2/month but in exchange we will get 8
>e-mail addresses (I have 3 with my Mindspring account).
Oh, good idea. Think I'll start using my spouse's old account for
that. Spouse never uses it, AFAIK, and if spouse does, too frikken
bad!
>
>Th hotmail account I use here gets loaded with Spam ... and so do my
>several Yahoo accounts. I prefer Yahoo because I can use Eudora to
>check them and send mail instead of using those awful web interfaces.
>
Are you sure you aren't my long-lost twin? I so don't understand
those people that rely on their Hotmail account, but can only access
it through their web browser (and don't even know how to open up a
second browser window!)
--Drinky
>FloridaNB