We had a great day!
slunky
such an active day with people. No nightmares last night. Our thrpst
refered us to a place to go for some support. It's an ICCD Clubhouse. So
we had orientation this morning. We went to that, and they were very
nice. After orientation, they asked us if we'd stay the day, so we did.
They were very friendly. It's a lot to explain, but we joined, and they
kept us very busy, but only because we wanted to be. (You don't have to
do anything you don't want to, and you're not pressured to do so. You
can come in anytime they're open, you don't have to attend regularly.)
It was a really good experience. We're going back tomorrow and probably
Friday, and then continuing some days next week. We're so excited about
it. Think this is one place we actually do like. :)
More information on ISSD Clubhouses:
http://www.iccd.org/article.asp?articleID=3
--
-slunky
gathring
that seems pretty cool from the part i read. i'm glad it helped your day
be so good.
--
�There are two major products that came out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX.
We don't believe this to be a coincidence.� -- Jeremy S. Anderson
slunky
> slunky wrote:
>> Feel pretty good right now. A little tired and a little anxious from
>> such an active day with people. No nightmares last night. Our thrpst
>> refered us to a place to go for some support. It's an ICCD Clubhouse. So
>> we had orientation this morning. We went to that, and they were very
>> nice. After orientation, they asked us if we'd stay the day, so we did.
>>
>>
>> They were very friendly. It's a lot to explain, but we joined, and they
>> kept us very busy, but only because we wanted to be. (You don't have to
>> do anything you don't want to, and you're not pressured to do so. You
>> can come in anytime they're open, you don't have to attend regularly.)
>> It was a really good experience. We're going back tomorrow and probably
>> Friday, and then continuing some days next week. We're so excited about
>> it. Think this is one place we actually do like. :)
>>
>> More information on ISSD Clubhouses:
>>
>> http://www.iccd.org/article.asp?articleID=3
>
> that seems pretty cool from the part i read. i'm glad it helped your day
> be so good.
We are glad too.
--
-slunky
Puddles
> Feel pretty good right now. A little tired and a little anxious from
> such an active day with people.
good
No nightmares last night.
really good
Our thrpst
> refered us to a place to go for some support. It's an ICCD Clubhouse. So
> we had orientation this morning. We went to that, and they were very
> nice. After orientation, they asked us if we'd stay the day, so we did.
WOW, thats great!
>
>
> They were very friendly. It's a lot to explain, but we joined, and they
> kept us very busy, but only because we wanted to be. (You don't have to
> do anything you don't want to, and you're not pressured to do so. You
> can come in anytime they're open, you don't have to attend regularly.)
> It was a really good experience. We're going back tomorrow and probably
> Friday, and then continuing some days next week. We're so excited about
> it. Think this is one place we actually do like. :)
>
> More information on ISSD Clubhouses:
>
> http://www.iccd.org/article.asp?articleID=3
>
Do you have to keep getting referrals from your t or can you just show
up when you want to?
--
Puddles
(I rant, therefore I am)
confused
That's really neat. I'm so glad you are excited about it.
--
Bye,
C of confused
confused
Slunky said he's a member now. I think that means he gets to show up when he
wants to. If I understand it right, Slunky maybe gets to help out there and
he "belongs". :)
gathring
that's what i thought, especially after looking at the web site
Puddles
ok, just wanted to make sure cause think that would be perfect for him.
think it is wrong to have to get referrals (that still bothers me when
slunky told me about that).
well, is bed time. nite nite asd.
all the puddles
gathring
confused
Nite
--
"wolfie" of confused
slunky
> slunky wrote:
>> Feel pretty good right now. A little tired and a little anxious from
>> such an active day with people.
>
> good
>
> No nightmares last night.
>
> really good
Yes.
>> Our thrpst
>> refered us to a place to go for some support. It's an ICCD Clubhouse. So
>> we had orientation this morning. We went to that, and they were very
>> nice. After orientation, they asked us if we'd stay the day, so we did.
>
> WOW, thats great!
Well, what actually happened is they asked if we wanted to stay, and we
said we had to go pick up slunkette from school (because we did). So we
left, walked one building away and called someone to pick her up for us,
and then we went back.
>> They were very friendly. It's a lot to explain, but we joined, and they
>> kept us very busy, but only because we wanted to be. (You don't have to
>> do anything you don't want to, and you're not pressured to do so. You
>> can come in anytime they're open, you don't have to attend regularly.)
>> It was a really good experience. We're going back tomorrow and probably
>> Friday, and then continuing some days next week. We're so excited about
>> it. Think this is one place we actually do like. :)
>>
>> More information on ISSD Clubhouses:
>>
>> http://www.iccd.org/article.asp?articleID=3
>
> Do you have to keep getting referrals from your t or can you just show
> up when you want to?
No, just needed one referal. Could've probably applied without a referal
too, but this just sped things up. Now we're a member for life. We even
have a little card so we can go to clubhouses in other states or even
other countries.
--
-slunky
slunky
> Puddles wrote:
>> Do you have to keep getting referrals from your t or can you just show
>> up when you want to?
>
> Slunky said he's a member now. I think that means he gets to show up when he
> wants to. If I understand it right, Slunky maybe gets to help out there and
> he "belongs". :)
> --
> Bye,
>
> C of confused
Yes! We do feel like we belong, and we do get to help out. It's member
run. There are only nine staff members for the entire place. We feel
like we have a purpose there. We aren't just a "client" or a "patient".
We are a collaegue.
--
-slunky
gathring
this is really cool. D and i have been talking about something like this
for 12 years, didn't know something already existed
slunky
>> run. There are only nine staff members for the entire place. We feel
>> like we have a purpose there. We aren't just a "client" or a "patient".
>> We are a collaegue.
>
> this is really cool. D and i have been talking about something like this
> for 12 years, didn't know something already existed
We didn't know either. When someone explained it to us two years ago,
they didn't do a very good job. We thought it was some kind of work
house, but it's not.
--
-slunky
gathring
nod. will be trying to find out more. there isn't one in fresno, but
there is in tucson, where we will be going when d graduates
slunky
> slunky wrote:
>> We didn't know either. When someone explained it to us two years ago,
>> they didn't do a very good job. We thought it was some kind of work
>> house, but it's not.
>
> nod. will be trying to find out more. there isn't one in fresno, but
> there is in tucson, where we will be going when d graduates
We'll have to ask tomorrow, but there are people at the place we go to
that are there to train to open a clubhouse in California. Not sure
where though. (The clubhouse we go to is one of the places they train
other clubhouses at.)
--
-slunky
astri
> Feel pretty good right now. A little tired and a little anxious from
> such an active day with people. No nightmares last night. Our thrpst
> refered us to a place to go for some support. It's an ICCD Clubhouse.
> So we had orientation this morning. We went to that, and they were
> very nice. After orientation, they asked us if we'd stay the day, so
> we did.
>
> They were very friendly. It's a lot to explain, but we joined, and
> they kept us very busy, but only because we wanted to be. (You don't
> have to do anything you don't want to, and you're not pressured to do
> so. You can come in anytime they're open, you don't have to attend
> regularly.) It was a really good experience. We're going back
> tomorrow and probably Friday, and then continuing some days next
> week. We're so excited about it. Think this is one place we actually
> do like. :)
hope it continues to feel good there
-- astri
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to email send to astri
======================
at volcano dot org
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gathring
cool, let me know what you find out
slunky
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>
>> Feel pretty good right now. A little tired and a little anxious from
>> such an active day with people. No nightmares last night. Our thrpst
>> refered us to a place to go for some support. It's an ICCD Clubhouse.
>> So we had orientation this morning. We went to that, and they were
>> very nice. After orientation, they asked us if we'd stay the day, so
>> we did.
>>
>> They were very friendly. It's a lot to explain, but we joined, and
>> they kept us very busy, but only because we wanted to be. (You don't
>> have to do anything you don't want to, and you're not pressured to do
>> so. You can come in anytime they're open, you don't have to attend
>> regularly.) It was a really good experience. We're going back
>> tomorrow and probably Friday, and then continuing some days next
>> week. We're so excited about it. Think this is one place we actually
>> do like. :)
>
> hope it continues to feel good there
Thanks. We hope so too.
--
-slunky
slunky
> slunky wrote:
>> We'll have to ask tomorrow, but there are people at the place we go to
>> that are there to train to open a clubhouse in California. Not sure
>> where though. (The clubhouse we go to is one of the places they train
>> other clubhouses at.)
>
> cool, let me know what you find out
We will.
--
-slunky
confused
:) sounds really positive.
--
"wolfie" of confused
Juniper
slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
Looks interesting. I skimmed with my antennae up to see if anything
alarmed me, and nothing did.
I think it's great you've found this!
Juniper
slunky
>> Yes! We do feel like we belong, and we do get to help out. It's member
>> run. There are only nine staff members for the entire place. We feel
>> like we have a purpose there. We aren't just a "client" or a
>> "patient". We are a collaegue.
>
> :) sounds really positive.
> --
> "wolfie" of confused
Yes, but we had a bad day today. Nothing about the clubhouse (except
when they had lunch, and we went to get some, then became indredibly
distressed about eating and didn't eat). We had a flashback while we
were there, and just couldn't get over it, and didn't talk about it, and
tried not to cry, and kept telling everyone we were ok even though we
weren't. We couldn't even get any work done. Couldn't function at all,
and it was very frustrating.
Anyways, skills training went ok this morning. We didn't get a chance to
talk to our thrpst about our concerns because we had to cover two groups
worth of material. :( We know she's trying to shift things to DBT. She's
already planning on changing our individual sessions like she said she
wouldn't, and she's going to start changing the phone calls me make to
her from support calls into skills coaching calls. (She sort of did that
today.) We don't like this, but she's just trying to help. She even said
today that her plan is that maybe in six months to start us in the DBT
group instead of individual skills training.
--
-slunky
gathring
sigh. bet there is massive pressure from her supervisor. wish there was
better understanding regarding mental health. wish some people could get
the whole one size does not fit all concept.
sorry today was tough, hope tomorrow is better.
jill
This is very very cool! It sounds a lot like the place I worked at
before moving. At our place we had t'pists who ran groups like AA and
daily living skills stuff (balancing checkbooks was one asked for a
lot) and I did that stuff. But we also just had a community like it
says. People came and went. The only requirement was that if you were
there you had to sign up to do one 'job'. These jobs ranged from 'make
lunch' to 'offer to get someone something once during the day (like
a glass of water)' I never met someone who couldn't do at least one
of these jobs every time they came. We called us a community center.
I'm glad to hear such a place exists outside of IL as I have looked
for others in other states and have never found something like it.
Rainbow Colors (Jill)
--
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The colors blend, the edges soften. Swirling and mixing
we are becoming white light.
ji...@tuells.org
Juniper
slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
I wonder if she's doing this to follow the principle of "first get the
client stabilized, then get into the ouchy stuff." I think that's
probably OK, as long as she's clear with you that that's what she's
doing. And as long as that's what you need and agree to!
Hang in! It sounds like she really does care but is caught between her
supervisors and her inexperience. Someday she may look back and think
of you as the client who taught her so much. Unfortunately that doesn't
help you today. :-(
Juniper
astri
> _/ confused <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote \_
>> slunky wrote:
>>> Yes! We do feel like we belong, and we do get to help out. It's
>>> member run. There are only nine staff members for the entire place.
>>> We feel like we have a purpose there. We aren't just a "client" or
>>> a "patient". We are a collaegue.
>>
>> :) sounds really positive.
>> --
>> "wolfie" of confused
>
> Yes, but we had a bad day today. Nothing about the clubhouse (except
> when they had lunch, and we went to get some, then became indredibly
> distressed about eating and didn't eat). We had a flashback while we
> were there, and just couldn't get over it, and didn't talk about it,
> and tried not to cry, and kept telling everyone we were ok even
> though we weren't. We couldn't even get any work done. Couldn't
> function at all, and it was very frustrating.
:(
they were trying to be supportive?
> Anyways, skills training went ok this morning. We didn't get a chance
> to talk to our thrpst about our concerns because we had to cover two
> groups worth of material. :( We know she's trying to shift things to
> DBT. She's already planning on changing our individual sessions like
> she said she wouldn't, and she's going to start changing the phone
> calls me make to her from support calls into skills coaching calls.
> (She sort of did that today.) We don't like this, but she's just
> trying to help. She even said today that her plan is that maybe in
> six months to start us in the DBT group instead of individual skills
> training.
sigh
fwiw, the aa found dbt to be the most helpful thing for her.
slunky
>> when they had lunch, and we went to get some, then became indredibly
>> distressed about eating and didn't eat). We had a flashback while we
>> were there, and just couldn't get over it, and didn't talk about it, and
>> tried not to cry, and kept telling everyone we were ok even though we
>> weren't. We couldn't even get any work done. Couldn't function at all,
>> and it was very frustrating.
>>
>> Anyways, skills training went ok this morning. We didn't get a chance to
>> talk to our thrpst about our concerns because we had to cover two groups
>> worth of material. :( We know she's trying to shift things to DBT. She's
>> already planning on changing our individual sessions like she said she
>> wouldn't, and she's going to start changing the phone calls me make to
>> her from support calls into skills coaching calls. (She sort of did that
>> today.) We don't like this, but she's just trying to help. She even said
>> today that her plan is that maybe in six months to start us in the DBT
>> group instead of individual skills training.
>
> sigh. bet there is massive pressure from her supervisor. wish there was
> better understanding regarding mental health. wish some people could get
> the whole one size does not fit all concept.
>
> sorry today was tough, hope tomorrow is better.
Yes, thank you. We're worried about it. We're sad she isn't taking our
feelings into account on this.
--
-slunky
slunky
> This is very very cool! It sounds a lot like the place I worked at
> before moving. At our place we had t'pists who ran groups like AA and
> daily living skills stuff (balancing checkbooks was one asked for a
> lot) and I did that stuff.
At this place, there's 36 "standards" that the Clubhouse has to abide by
to be called an ICCD Clubhouse, and one of them is that the clubhouse is
not a place for traditional thrpy or med management.
> But we also just had a community like it says. People came and went.
> The only requirement was that if you were there you had to sign up to
> do one 'job'. These jobs ranged from 'make lunch' to 'offer to get
> someone something once during the day (like a glass of water)' I never
> met someone who couldn't do at least one of these jobs every time they
> came. We called us a community center. I'm glad to hear such a place
> exists outside of IL as I have looked for others in other states and
> have never found something like it.
Here you're not required to do anything, but if you're not going to do
anything, what's the point in even showing up? You aren't required to
show up, so really, everyone that comes wants a responsibility and work
to do. Yesterday, we were so mixed up we could hardly do anything, but
we still managed to change the calendar to October and clean a little.
--
-slunky
slunky
> In article <slrngeaua9....@evo.zero>,
> slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>> Yes, but we had a bad day today. Nothing about the clubhouse (except
>> when they had lunch, and we went to get some, then became indredibly
>> distressed about eating and didn't eat). We had a flashback while we
>> were there, and just couldn't get over it, and didn't talk about it, and
>> tried not to cry, and kept telling everyone we were ok even though we
>> weren't. We couldn't even get any work done. Couldn't function at all,
>> and it was very frustrating.
>>
>> Anyways, skills training went ok this morning. We didn't get a chance to
>> talk to our thrpst about our concerns because we had to cover two groups
>> worth of material. :( We know she's trying to shift things to DBT. She's
>> already planning on changing our individual sessions like she said she
>> wouldn't, and she's going to start changing the phone calls me make to
>> her from support calls into skills coaching calls. (She sort of did that
>> today.) We don't like this, but she's just trying to help. She even said
>> today that her plan is that maybe in six months to start us in the DBT
>> group instead of individual skills training.
>
> I wonder if she's doing this to follow the principle of "first get the
> client stabilized, then get into the ouchy stuff." I think that's
> probably OK, as long as she's clear with you that that's what she's
> doing. And as long as that's what you need and agree to!
but we didn't agree to this except the one extra visit a week for skills
training. She said the rest would be the same, but she's changing
everything. We're smart enough to see that. We're just waiting for the
day when she rolls out the no contact rule for twenty-four hours after
c*tting. It's going to happen, and then we'll quit.
> Hang in! It sounds like she really does care but is caught between her
> supervisors and her inexperience. Someday she may look back and think
> of you as the client who taught her so much. Unfortunately that doesn't
> help you today. :-(
Well, since we're the only client she's teaching DBT to directly, we're
at least going to be experience for her.
--
-slunky
slunky
>> Yes, but we had a bad day today. Nothing about the clubhouse (except
>> when they had lunch, and we went to get some, then became indredibly
>> distressed about eating and didn't eat). We had a flashback while we
>> were there, and just couldn't get over it, and didn't talk about it,
>> and tried not to cry, and kept telling everyone we were ok even
>> though we weren't. We couldn't even get any work done. Couldn't
>> function at all, and it was very frustrating.
>
>:(
>
> they were trying to be supportive?
Yes, they were, and they asked what they could do for us, but we don't
know what they can do for us.
>> Anyways, skills training went ok this morning. We didn't get a chance
>> to talk to our thrpst about our concerns because we had to cover two
>> groups worth of material. :( We know she's trying to shift things to
>> DBT. She's already planning on changing our individual sessions like
>> she said she wouldn't, and she's going to start changing the phone
>> calls me make to her from support calls into skills coaching calls.
>> (She sort of did that today.) We don't like this, but she's just
>> trying to help. She even said today that her plan is that maybe in
>> six months to start us in the DBT group instead of individual skills
>> training.
>
> sigh
>
> fwiw, the aa found dbt to be the most helpful thing for her.
Ok, but it's so frustrating to be seeing our thrpst for a whole year,
and then she wants to change things entirely and against what we wanted
and what we are comfortable with.
--
-slunky
Baba Yaga
>Anyways, skills training went ok this morning. We didn't get a chance to
>talk to our thrpst about our concerns because we had to cover two groups
>worth of material. :( We know she's trying to shift things to DBT. She's
>already planning on changing our individual sessions like she said she
>wouldn't,
8-(
>and she's going to start changing the phone calls me make to
>her from support calls into skills coaching calls. (She sort of did that
>today.) We don't like this, but she's just trying to help. She even said
>today that her plan is that maybe in six months to start us in the DBT
>group instead of individual skills training.
Well. Don't think the DBT is necessarily a problem - suspect that if
we'd had it (in a safe-enough context, and frankly, we never had one
of those until Usenet) when we were younger and before lots of other
stuff, would have been useful. We *do* think it'd be a good idea to
educate your tpist on power dynamics, because the way I read this, it
seems likely she's not realising how important those are.
Is reasonable for her to persuade, to make her preference clear, to
decline to do stuff she's not comfortable with. It *isn't good enough
for her to decide for you what you need (even if she's right!), or to
be unwilling to make the transition in a way which respects your
needs.
(Sometimes people see the dramatic needs, and want to help those so
much that they don't realise that the normal, undramatic needs are
*as* important; or don't realise that their attempts to help the
dramatic needs could possibly be contrary to the more ordinary needs.
That can mean that they see where a helpful end point, or at least
mid-point, would be, and forget that the journey matters, too.)
Baba Yaga
--
If it's my lot to spend my life swimming upstream in treacle then
goddamn it I'll be the best treacle swimmer there is, and learn to
find things about it to enjoy!
- The Autiste formerly known as Genyin
slunky
> slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote, in alt.support.dissociation:
>
>>Anyways, skills training went ok this morning. We didn't get a chance to
>>talk to our thrpst about our concerns because we had to cover two groups
>>worth of material. :( We know she's trying to shift things to DBT. She's
>>already planning on changing our individual sessions like she said she
>>wouldn't,
>
> 8-(
>
>>and she's going to start changing the phone calls me make to
>>her from support calls into skills coaching calls. (She sort of did that
>>today.) We don't like this, but she's just trying to help. She even said
>>today that her plan is that maybe in six months to start us in the DBT
>>group instead of individual skills training.
>
> Well. Don't think the DBT is necessarily a problem - suspect that if
> we'd had it (in a safe-enough context, and frankly, we never had one
> of those until Usenet) when we were younger and before lots of other
> stuff, would have been useful.
From what we've read and learned so far in DBT, dissociation and
"hearing voices" are "problem *behavoirs*" and choices we make.
> We *do* think it'd be a good idea to educate your tpist on power
> dynamics, because the way I read this, it seems likely she's not
> realising how important those are.
We don't know what those are. Oh, you mean like dynamics of her power,
right?
> Is reasonable for her to persuade, to make her preference clear, to
> decline to do stuff she's not comfortable with. It *isn't good enough
> for her to decide for you what you need (even if she's right!), or to
> be unwilling to make the transition in a way which respects your
> needs.
Exactly.
> (Sometimes people see the dramatic needs, and want to help those so
> much that they don't realise that the normal, undramatic needs are
> *as* important; or don't realise that their attempts to help the
> dramatic needs could possibly be contrary to the more ordinary needs.
> That can mean that they see where a helpful end point, or at least
> mid-point, would be, and forget that the journey matters, too.)
Yes.
--
-slunky
astri
would be worried and angry and sad
would be worried and angry
astri
> Here you're not required to do anything, but if you're not going to
> do anything, what's the point in even showing up? You aren't required
> to show up, so really, everyone that comes wants a responsibility and
> work to do. Yesterday, we were so mixed up we could hardly do
> anything, but we still managed to change the calendar to October and
> clean a little.
you're trying
do they accept that you're multiple?
or is that stuff not even mentioned?
astri
> but we didn't agree to this except the one extra visit a week for
> skills training. She said the rest would be the same, but she's
> changing everything. We're smart enough to see that.
we think you should talk about this with her. if you can't bring it up
in session, then write her an email and say it there and say you need
to discuss that either in email or in session.
astri
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>> Yes, but we had a bad day today. Nothing about the clubhouse
>>> (except when they had lunch, and we went to get some, then became
>>> indredibly distressed about eating and didn't eat). We had a
>>> flashback while we were there, and just couldn't get over it, and
>>> didn't talk about it, and tried not to cry, and kept telling
>>> everyone we were ok even though we weren't. We couldn't even get
>>> any work done. Couldn't function at all, and it was very
>>> frustrating.
>>
>> :(
>>
>> they were trying to be supportive?
>
> Yes, they were, and they asked what they could do for us, but we
> don't know what they can do for us.
maybe just to be able to be there and know that you aren't going to get
kicked out for having a hard time?
>>> Anyways, skills training went ok this morning. We didn't get a
>>> chance to talk to our thrpst about our concerns because we had to
>>> cover two groups worth of material. :( We know she's trying to
>>> shift things to DBT. She's already planning on changing our
>>> individual sessions like she said she wouldn't, and she's going to
>>> start changing the phone calls me make to her from support calls
>>> into skills coaching calls. (She sort of did that today.) We don't
>>> like this, but she's just trying to help. She even said today that
>>> her plan is that maybe in six months to start us in the DBT group
>>> instead of individual skills training.
>>
>> sigh
>>
>> fwiw, the aa found dbt to be the most helpful thing for her.
>
> Ok, but it's so frustrating to be seeing our thrpst for a whole year,
> and then she wants to change things entirely and against what we
> wanted and what we are comfortable with.
yes. we understand that. it doesn't seem fair. and we think it
should still be discussed.
astri
>> slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote, in alt.support.dissociation:
>>
>>> Anyways, skills training went ok this morning. We didn't get a
>>> chance to talk to our thrpst about our concerns because we had to
>>> cover two groups worth of material. :( We know she's trying to
>>> shift things to DBT. She's already planning on changing our
>>> individual sessions like she said she wouldn't,
>>
>> 8-(
>>
>>> and she's going to start changing the phone calls me make to her
>>> from support calls into skills coaching calls. (She sort of did
>>> that today.) We don't like this, but she's just trying to help. She
>>> even said today that her plan is that maybe in six months to start
>>> us in the DBT group instead of individual skills training.
>>
>> Well. Don't think the DBT is necessarily a problem - suspect that
>> if we'd had it (in a safe-enough context, and frankly, we never had
>> one of those until Usenet) when we were younger and before lots of
>> other stuff, would have been useful.
>
> From what we've read and learned so far in DBT, dissociation and
> "hearing voices" are "problem *behavoirs*" and choices we make.
blech
>> We *do* think it'd be a good idea to educate your tpist on power
>> dynamics, because the way I read this, it seems likely she's not
>> realising how important those are.
>
> We don't know what those are. Oh, you mean like dynamics of her
> power, right?
that she's more powerful than you in this relationship and that she is
using her power to force you to agree to things you wouldn't ordinarily
agree to.
>> Is reasonable for her to persuade, to make her preference clear, to
>> decline to do stuff she's not comfortable with. It *isn't good
>> enough for her to decide for you what you need (even if she's
>> right!), or to be unwilling to make the transition in a way which
>> respects your needs.
>
> Exactly.
>
>> (Sometimes people see the dramatic needs, and want to help those so
>> much that they don't realise that the normal, undramatic needs are
>> *as* important; or don't realise that their attempts to help the
>> dramatic needs could possibly be contrary to the more ordinary needs.
>> That can mean that they see where a helpful end point, or at least
>> mid-point, would be, and forget that the journey matters, too.)
>
> Yes.
we like when baba posts
slunky
>> Yes, thank you. We're worried about it. We're sad she isn't taking
>> our feelings into account on this.
>
> would be worried and angry and sad
Yes, we are all those things right now.
--
-slunky
slunky
>> Here you're not required to do anything, but if you're not going to
>> do anything, what's the point in even showing up? You aren't required
>> to show up, so really, everyone that comes wants a responsibility and
>> work to do. Yesterday, we were so mixed up we could hardly do
>> anything, but we still managed to change the calendar to October and
>> clean a little.
>
> you're trying
Yes, we didn't really do much today there, so we came home early.
> do they accept that you're multiple?
> or is that stuff not even mentioned?
Nobody really asks, but the people that asked are fine with it and said
all of us are welcome if we're all respectful.
--
-slunky
slunky
>
>> but we didn't agree to this except the one extra visit a week for
>> skills training. She said the rest would be the same, but she's
>> changing everything. We're smart enough to see that.
>
> we think you should talk about this with her. if you can't bring it up
> in session, then write her an email and say it there and say you need
> to discuss that either in email or in session.
Ok, we will do that today since we see her monday.
--
-slunky
slunky
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>> Yes, they were, and they asked what they could do for us, but we
>> don't know what they can do for us.
>
> maybe just to be able to be there and know that you aren't going to get
> kicked out for having a hard time?
It was helpful to just be someplace where people were saying hi and
smiling and checking in with us when they walked past instead of being
home with all the sharps alone.
>> Ok, but it's so frustrating to be seeing our thrpst for a whole year,
>> and then she wants to change things entirely and against what we
>> wanted and what we are comfortable with.
>
> yes. we understand that. it doesn't seem fair. and we think it
> should still be discussed.
We will discuss it. We already have things in mind. They just need
written down.
--
-slunky
slunky
>>> if we'd had it (in a safe-enough context, and frankly, we never had
>>> one of those until Usenet) when we were younger and before lots of
>>> other stuff, would have been useful.
>>
>> From what we've read and learned so far in DBT, dissociation and
>> "hearing voices" are "problem *behavoirs*" and choices we make.
>
> blech
Exactly.
>>> We *do* think it'd be a good idea to educate your tpist on power
>>> dynamics, because the way I read this, it seems likely she's not
>>> realising how important those are.
>>
>> We don't know what those are. Oh, you mean like dynamics of her
>> power, right?
>
> that she's more powerful than you in this relationship and that she is
> using her power to force you to agree to things you wouldn't ordinarily
> agree to.
We've also noticed that she seems like an authority figure to us now.
That's not good, but that's our perception that we need to change back.
>>> Is reasonable for her to persuade, to make her preference clear, to
>>> decline to do stuff she's not comfortable with. It *isn't good
>>> enough for her to decide for you what you need (even if she's
>>> right!), or to be unwilling to make the transition in a way which
>>> respects your needs.
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>>> (Sometimes people see the dramatic needs, and want to help those so
>>> much that they don't realise that the normal, undramatic needs are
>>> *as* important; or don't realise that their attempts to help the
>>> dramatic needs could possibly be contrary to the more ordinary needs.
>>> That can mean that they see where a helpful end point, or at least
>>> mid-point, would be, and forget that the journey matters, too.)
>>
>> Yes.
>
> we like when baba posts
We do too. :)
--
-slunky
astri
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>> Yes, thank you. We're worried about it. We're sad she isn't taking
>>> our feelings into account on this.
>>
>> would be worried and angry and sad
>
> Yes, we are all those things right now.
sigh
astri
:)
astri
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>> Yes, they were, and they asked what they could do for us, but we
>>> don't know what they can do for us.
>>
>> maybe just to be able to be there and know that you aren't going to
>> get kicked out for having a hard time?
>
> It was helpful to just be someplace where people were saying hi and
> smiling and checking in with us when they walked past instead of
> being home with all the sharps alone.
bet it was
>>> Ok, but it's so frustrating to be seeing our thrpst for a whole
>>> year, and then she wants to change things entirely and against what
>>> we wanted and what we are comfortable with.
>>
>> yes. we understand that. it doesn't seem fair. and we think it
>> should still be discussed.
>
> We will discuss it. We already have things in mind. They just need
> written down.
ok
astri
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>> _/ Baba Yaga <spam...@phonecoop.coop> wrote \_
>>>> Well. Don't think the DBT is necessarily a problem - suspect that
>>>> if we'd had it (in a safe-enough context, and frankly, we never
>>>> had one of those until Usenet) when we were younger and before
>>>> lots of other stuff, would have been useful.
>>>
>>> From what we've read and learned so far in DBT, dissociation and
>>> "hearing voices" are "problem *behavoirs*" and choices we make.
>>
>> blech
>
> Exactly.
>
>>>> We *do* think it'd be a good idea to educate your tpist on power
>>>> dynamics, because the way I read this, it seems likely she's not
>>>> realising how important those are.
>>>
>>> We don't know what those are. Oh, you mean like dynamics of her
>>> power, right?
>>
>> that she's more powerful than you in this relationship and that she
>> is using her power to force you to agree to things you wouldn't
>> ordinarily agree to.
>
> We've also noticed that she seems like an authority figure to us now.
> That's not good, but that's our perception that we need to change
> back.
she's acting like one, so of course she seems like one. maybe is
something else you should include in your communication?
>>>> Is reasonable for her to persuade, to make her preference clear,
>>>> to decline to do stuff she's not comfortable with. It *isn't good
>>>> enough for her to decide for you what you need (even if she's
>>>> right!), or to be unwilling to make the transition in a way which
>>>> respects your needs.
>>>
>>> Exactly.
>>>
>>>> (Sometimes people see the dramatic needs, and want to help those
>>>> so much that they don't realise that the normal, undramatic needs
>>>> are *as* important; or don't realise that their attempts to help
>>>> the dramatic needs could possibly be contrary to the more ordinary
>>>> needs. That can mean that they see where a helpful end point, or
>>>> at least mid-point, would be, and forget that the journey matters,
>>>> too.)
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>
>> we like when baba posts
>
> We do too. :)
:)
slunky
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>>> Yes, thank you. We're worried about it. We're sad she isn't taking
>>>> our feelings into account on this.
>>>
>>> would be worried and angry and sad
>>
>> Yes, we are all those things right now.
>
> sigh
Trying to just get on with the day though. Thinking about it, but not
dwelling so much on it right now.
--
-slunky
slunky
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>> or is that stuff not even mentioned?
>>
>> Nobody really asks, but the people that asked are fine with it and
>> said all of us are welcome if we're all respectful.
>
> :)
We were very happy to hear it too.
--
-slunky
slunky
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>> It was helpful to just be someplace where people were saying hi and
>> smiling and checking in with us when they walked past instead of
>> being home with all the sharps alone.
>
> bet it was
It's good to know we can ask for help there too if we want it.
Oh, we forgot to mention yesterday, our favorite psych tech, the one who
if we ever have a son we're naming him after, interns at the Clubhouse
too!
>> We will discuss it. We already have things in mind. They just need
>> written down.
>
> ok
We finished it, and we're going to bring it to her on monday.
--
-slunky
slunky
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>> We've also noticed that she seems like an authority figure to us now.
>> That's not good, but that's our perception that we need to change
>> back.
>
> she's acting like one, so of course she seems like one. maybe is
> something else you should include in your communication?
We put it in the letter.
>>> we like when baba posts
>>
>> We do too. :)
>
>:)
AmBeR reads Baba Yaga stories from a folklore book we found too.
--
-slunky
cuddle
Hi Slunky.
cuddle
Can I ask what the name is? Just curious. I think if I would have had a
girl I would have either named her Baily or Hannah Ann.
slunky
> slunky wrote:
>> AmBeR reads Baba Yaga stories from a folklore book we found too.
>
> Hi Slunky.
Hi cuddle and all the puddles.
--
-slunky
slunky
> girl I would have either named her Baily or Hannah Ann.
Simon.
--
-slunky
jill
slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>_/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>> Yes, but we had a bad day today. Nothing about the clubhouse (except
>>> when they had lunch, and we went to get some, then became indredibly
>>> distressed about eating and didn't eat). We had a flashback while we
>>> were there, and just couldn't get over it, and didn't talk about it,
>>> and tried not to cry, and kept telling everyone we were ok even
>>> though we weren't. We couldn't even get any work done. Couldn't
>>> function at all, and it was very frustrating.
>>
>>:(
>>
>> they were trying to be supportive?
>
>Yes, they were, and they asked what they could do for us, but we don't
>know what they can do for us.
Then try to think generically. What would help in those moments? A
quiet room alone? Someone to just listen to you ramble? A blanket to
hide under? Distraction? Just brainstorm stuff in general then see if
any of it is even possible in that setting. That is skills training
that will work! *wry grin* Even if you can't think of what might work,
try to think of what might seem like it might possibly some day work
and try _that_! Just keep trying different things. Even if you just
try them in your head to see if they would help.
If it helps, try to put into term of asd. What might someone _here_
do or say that might help?
Then, once you think you have an idea tell them 'if you see this
happening, try x' They really do want to help so giving them something
to do will help. Plus, it might really work and that would be GREAT!
Rainbow Colors (Jill)
>>> Anyways, skills training went ok this morning. We didn't get a chance
>>> to talk to our thrpst about our concerns because we had to cover two
>>> groups worth of material. :( We know she's trying to shift things to
>>> DBT. She's already planning on changing our individual sessions like
>>> she said she wouldn't, and she's going to start changing the phone
>>> calls me make to her from support calls into skills coaching calls.
>>> (She sort of did that today.) We don't like this, but she's just
>>> trying to help. She even said today that her plan is that maybe in
>>> six months to start us in the DBT group instead of individual skills
>>> training.
>>
>> sigh
>>
>> fwiw, the aa found dbt to be the most helpful thing for her.
>
>Ok, but it's so frustrating to be seeing our thrpst for a whole year,
>and then she wants to change things entirely and against what we wanted
>and what we are comfortable with.
>
>--
> -slunky
--
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The colors blend, the edges soften. Swirling and mixing
we are becoming white light.
ji...@tuells.org
jill
slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>_/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>> It was helpful to just be someplace where people were saying hi and
>>> smiling and checking in with us when they walked past instead of
>>> being home with all the sharps alone.
>>
>> bet it was
>
>It's good to know we can ask for help there too if we want it.
>
>Oh, we forgot to mention yesterday, our favorite psych tech, the one who
>if we ever have a son we're naming him after, interns at the Clubhouse
>too!
Oh man, this is so cool! I remember being inpt and having the
absolutely best intern. He and we would just chat and talk and 'be'
together. It was so helpful! Then once, when some of us were freaking
out and went into the 'quiet room' to be safe he came and sat in the
doorway and just sat there. Like a witness or something :) I would
love to be able to find him and thank him!
Rainbow Colors (Jill)
>>> We will discuss it. We already have things in mind. They just need
>>> written down.
>>
>> ok
>
>We finished it, and we're going to bring it to her on monday.
>
>--
> -slunky
cuddle
:) giggles
jill
slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>_/ jill <ji...@tuells.org> wrote \_
>> This is very very cool! It sounds a lot like the place I worked at
>> before moving. At our place we had t'pists who ran groups like AA and
>> daily living skills stuff (balancing checkbooks was one asked for a
>> lot) and I did that stuff.
>
>At this place, there's 36 "standards" that the Clubhouse has to abide by
>to be called an ICCD Clubhouse, and one of them is that the clubhouse is
>not a place for traditional thrpy or med management.
Yeah, there are definitely differences from where I worked. I would
really like to visit a place like this!
>> But we also just had a community like it says. People came and went.
>> The only requirement was that if you were there you had to sign up to
>> do one 'job'. These jobs ranged from 'make lunch' to 'offer to get
>> someone something once during the day (like a glass of water)' I never
>> met someone who couldn't do at least one of these jobs every time they
>> came. We called us a community center. I'm glad to hear such a place
>> exists outside of IL as I have looked for others in other states and
>> have never found something like it.
>
>Here you're not required to do anything, but if you're not going to do
>anything, what's the point in even showing up? You aren't required to
I agree, although just sitting and being with supportive others is
very powerful imo.
>show up, so really, everyone that comes wants a responsibility and work
>to do. Yesterday, we were so mixed up we could hardly do anything, but
>we still managed to change the calendar to October and clean a little.
>
> -slunky
Sounds about right for amount to do on a day like that.
Rainbow Colors (Jill)
Puddles
Simon reminds me of a british name. maybe because of the famous simon on
American Idol. I like it. Especially for when they are little. I like
Nathaniel too. Oh and Daniel but i don't like Danny for short or Dan.
Would rather the full pronunciation. Hmmm, I have lots of names i like.
I met a girl recently named 'Tuesday'. I like that name for a girl.
--
Puddles
(I rant, therefore I am)
confused
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>> Yes, they were, and they asked what they could do for us, but we
>>> don't know what they can do for us.
>>
>> maybe just to be able to be there and know that you aren't going to
>> get kicked out for having a hard time?
>
> It was helpful to just be someplace where people were saying hi and
> smiling and checking in with us when they walked past instead of being
> home with all the sharps alone.
am very glad you've found that place
>
>>> Ok, but it's so frustrating to be seeing our thrpst for a whole
>>> year, and then she wants to change things entirely and against what
>>> we wanted and what we are comfortable with.
>>
>> yes. we understand that. it doesn't seem fair. and we think it
>> should still be discussed.
>
> We will discuss it. We already have things in mind. They just need
> written down.
good. think it's very important you talk to her.
--
"wolfie" of confused
confused
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>> _/ Baba Yaga <spam...@phonecoop.coop> wrote \_
>>>> Well. Don't think the DBT is necessarily a problem - suspect that
>>>> if we'd had it (in a safe-enough context, and frankly, we never had
>>>> one of those until Usenet) when we were younger and before lots of
>>>> other stuff, would have been useful.
>>>
>>> From what we've read and learned so far in DBT, dissociation and
>>> "hearing voices" are "problem *behavoirs*" and choices we make.
>>
>> blech
>
> Exactly.
>
>>>> We *do* think it'd be a good idea to educate your tpist on power
>>>> dynamics, because the way I read this, it seems likely she's not
>>>> realising how important those are.
>>>
>>> We don't know what those are. Oh, you mean like dynamics of her
>>> power, right?
>>
>> that she's more powerful than you in this relationship and that she
>> is using her power to force you to agree to things you wouldn't
>> ordinarily agree to.
>
> We've also noticed that she seems like an authority figure to us now.
> That's not good, but that's our perception that we need to change
> back.
think this is imporatn realization
--
"wolfie" of confused
confused
:( regrets
slunky
> slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>>Yes, they were, and they asked what they could do for us, but we don't
>>know what they can do for us.
>
> Then try to think generically. What would help in those moments? A
> quiet room alone? Someone to just listen to you ramble? A blanket to
> hide under? Distraction? Just brainstorm stuff in general then see if
> any of it is even possible in that setting. That is skills training
> that will work! *wry grin* Even if you can't think of what might work,
> try to think of what might seem like it might possibly some day work
> and try _that_! Just keep trying different things. Even if you just
> try them in your head to see if they would help.
>
> If it helps, try to put into term of asd. What might someone _here_
> do or say that might help?
Ok.
> Then, once you think you have an idea tell them 'if you see this
> happening, try x' They really do want to help so giving them something
> to do will help. Plus, it might really work and that would be GREAT!
Yes, sounds like something we should try.
--
-slunky
confused
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>> Here you're not required to do anything, but if you're not going to
>>> do anything, what's the point in even showing up? You aren't
>>> required to show up, so really, everyone that comes wants a
>>> responsibility and work to do. Yesterday, we were so mixed up we
>>> could hardly do anything, but we still managed to change the
>>> calendar to October and clean a little.
>>
>> you're trying
>
> Yes, we didn't really do much today there, so we came home early.
is a process. maybe over time you'll be able to do more and have fewer hard
days
>
>> do they accept that you're multiple?
>> or is that stuff not even mentioned?
>
> Nobody really asks, but the people that asked are fine with it and
> said all of us are welcome if we're all respectful.
wow. we are sort of envious almost
slunky
> In article <slrngec22h....@evo.zero>,
> slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>>At this place, there's 36 "standards" that the Clubhouse has to abide by
>>to be called an ICCD Clubhouse, and one of them is that the clubhouse is
>>not a place for traditional thrpy or med management.
>
> Yeah, there are definitely differences from where I worked. I would
> really like to visit a place like this!
Well, we don't know where you are exactly, but there are clubhouses in
Boulder, Greenley, Grand Junction, Littelton, Fort Collins, and Wheat
Ridge.
>>Here you're not required to do anything, but if you're not going to do
>>anything, what's the point in even showing up? You aren't required to
>
> I agree, although just sitting and being with supportive others is
> very powerful imo.
Think so too.
>>show up, so really, everyone that comes wants a responsibility and work
>>to do. Yesterday, we were so mixed up we could hardly do anything, but
>>we still managed to change the calendar to October and clean a little.
>
> Sounds about right for amount to do on a day like that.
No pressure to do more. We were asked if we wanted to help sort clothes
that came in for a donation to the thrift store (the clubhouse runs a
small thrift store so members can afford clothes, and at fifty cents an
item, it's very affordable.) and we said no, and they said, ok then you
can just hang out. :)
--
-slunky
slunky
> slunky wrote:
>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>>> Yes, they were, and they asked what they could do for us, but we
>>>> don't know what they can do for us.
>>>
>>> maybe just to be able to be there and know that you aren't going to
>>> get kicked out for having a hard time?
>>
>> It was helpful to just be someplace where people were saying hi and
>> smiling and checking in with us when they walked past instead of being
>> home with all the sharps alone.
>
> am very glad you've found that place
Yeah, and we are thankful to our thrpst for helping get us into it, and
she says she's very proud that we are going there.
>>>> Ok, but it's so frustrating to be seeing our thrpst for a whole
>>>> year, and then she wants to change things entirely and against what
>>>> we wanted and what we are comfortable with.
>>>
>>> yes. we understand that. it doesn't seem fair. and we think it
>>> should still be discussed.
>>
>> We will discuss it. We already have things in mind. They just need
>> written down.
>
> good. think it's very important you talk to her.
> --
> "wolfie" of confused
We wrote them down in a letter.
--
-slunky
slunky
>> That's not good, but that's our perception that we need to change
>> back.
>
> think this is imporatn realization
> --
> "wolfie" of confused
We find ourselves feeling like we're submitting to her rather than
following advice.
--
-slunky
slunky
>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>
>> Yes, we didn't really do much today there, so we came home early.
>
> is a process. maybe over time you'll be able to do more and have fewer hard
> days
Our thrpst said that too.
>> Nobody really asks, but the people that asked are fine with it and
>> said all of us are welcome if we're all respectful.
>
> wow. we are sort of envious almost
It's a really different kind of place.
--
-slunky
tuttle
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>
>>> skills training. She said the rest would be the same, but she's
>>> changing everything. We're smart enough to see that.
>> we think you should talk about this with her. if you can't bring it up
>> in session, then write her an email and say it there and say you need
>> to discuss that either in email or in session.
>
> Ok, we will do that today since we see her monday.
>
Ok, I hate to be devils advocate and *please correct me if I am out of
place but.....
(and keep in mind I am trying to catch up going backwards on posts today
so I havn't read the entire story) anyway, how about giving this a 100%
Try? I mean, DBT is skills training but each of you could use these
skills to your benefit with separate needs.
If you really encompass the skills and the philosophy you may find some
of it useful. I have never heard of 'voices' or 'multiples' being a
result of 'behaviors' as Lenahan has never reference these in her book
so it would seem that the philosphy may not be as judgemental as your
agency seems to make it out to be.
You could even go to the Library and check out her book and correct your
agency if needed. If only one of yous finds DBT helpful then it was
worth the effort. I know DBT pretty well and have found that 'everyday
Joe's' can benefit from some of this stuff. For example, DEARMAN skill.
I use this a lot on evl. it really works.
My point originally is that this is just an 'approach'. And i am curious
if you have truly given it your full attention, energy and dedication to
see if the theory works? I am not accusing you of 'not trying but I am
thinking that I know how I react everytime my t tries to change
something. I hate change!! I hate rules! But if I just go with it for
awhile, sometimes I find he was actually on the right path, and
sometimes not. but I never really know until I fully try (even if it is
kicking and screaming the whole way).
Therapy can be a huge learning experience in many different ways. Maybe
I am wrong and DBT has been nothing but anxiety and the feelings of not
being safe.
then again, that is exactly how ppl usually react with change.
Dunno slunky. i am not sure I have the whole picture, but thought I
would take the opposite stance just to challenge you a bit.
PUddle
Wow, that was cool. So, did you? Hang out?
confused
if they can help us before when we were struggling but we never know what to
say (think we probably push them away too)
--
"wolfie" of confused
confused
> _/ confused <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote \_
>> slunky wrote:
>>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>>>> Yes, they were, and they asked what they could do for us, but we
>>>>> don't know what they can do for us.
>>>>
>>>> maybe just to be able to be there and know that you aren't going to
>>>> get kicked out for having a hard time?
>>>
>>> It was helpful to just be someplace where people were saying hi and
>>> smiling and checking in with us when they walked past instead of
>>> being home with all the sharps alone.
>>
>> am very glad you've found that place
>
> Yeah, and we are thankful to our thrpst for helping get us into it,
> and she says she's very proud that we are going there.
:)
>
>>>>> Ok, but it's so frustrating to be seeing our thrpst for a whole
>>>>> year, and then she wants to change things entirely and against
>>>>> what we wanted and what we are comfortable with.
>>>>
>>>> yes. we understand that. it doesn't seem fair. and we think it
>>>> should still be discussed.
>>>
>>> We will discuss it. We already have things in mind. They just need
>>> written down.
>>
>> good. think it's very important you talk to her.
>> --
>> "wolfie" of confused
>
> We wrote them down in a letter.
good.
--
"wolfie" of confused
confused
understand this. regrets
--
"wolfie" of confused
astri
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>>>> taking our feelings into account on this.
>>>>
>>>> would be worried and angry and sad
>>>
>>> Yes, we are all those things right now.
>>
>
> Trying to just get on with the day though. Thinking about it, but not
> dwelling so much on it right now.
hope you did ok
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astri
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>> smiling and checking in with us when they walked past instead of
>>> being home with all the sharps alone.
>>
>
> It's good to know we can ask for help there too if we want it.
>
> Oh, we forgot to mention yesterday, our favorite psych tech, the one
> who if we ever have a son we're naming him after, interns at the
> Clubhouse too!
huh
>>> We will discuss it. We already have things in mind. They just need
>>> written down.
>>
>> ok
>
> We finished it, and we're going to bring it to her on monday.
not going to email it?
astri
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>> now. That's not good, but that's our perception that we need to
>>> change back.
>>
>> something else you should include in your communication?
>
> We put it in the letter.
ok
>>>> we like when baba posts
>>>
>>> We do too. :)
>>
>> :)
>
> AmBeR reads Baba Yaga stories from a folklore book we found too.
heh
astri
not healthy
slunky
> slunky wrote:
>> No pressure to do more. We were asked if we wanted to help sort clothes
>> that came in for a donation to the thrift store (the clubhouse runs a
>> small thrift store so members can afford clothes, and at fifty cents an
>> item, it's very affordable.) and we said no, and they said, ok then you
>> can just hang out. :)
>
> Wow, that was cool. So, did you? Hang out?
Yes, but it was hard to even be alive at the time.
--
-slunky
slunky
It's ok. We'll work through it.
--
-slunky
slunky
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>> Trying to just get on with the day though. Thinking about it, but not
>> dwelling so much on it right now.
>
> hope you did ok
We did ok. :)
--
-slunky
slunky
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>> We finished it, and we're going to bring it to her on monday.
>
> not going to email it?
Nope. Not enough time. She'd just get it monday morning now, we'd like
to just hand it to her to read in session.
--
-slunky
slunky
>> We find ourselves feeling like we're submitting to her rather than
>> following advice.
>
> not healthy
We know.
--
-slunky
Amber
I like Baba Yaga and the porkepine!
AmBeR
Juniper
tuttle <allthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
These are good points, but I think the fact that she hasn't discussed
the change with him or gotten his consent trumps all of that. It's not
the DBT that's the problem, I gather. It's that moving that way is
being done without explanation or any attempt to make the decision
together or even get Slunky to agree to it.
Juniper
confused
hi AmBeR
Amber
confused
yae your here!
--
Little Girl of confused
Amber
:D
AmBeR
astri
good
astri
ok
slunky
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>>> We finished it, and we're going to bring it to her on monday.
>>>
>>> not going to email it?
>>
>> Nope. Not enough time. She'd just get it monday morning now, we'd
>> like to just hand it to her to read in session.
>
> ok
She also won't have time to show it to her supervisor first either.
--
-slunky
slunky
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>>> Trying to just get on with the day though. Thinking about it, but not
>>>> dwelling so much on it right now.
>>>
>>> hope you did ok
>>
>> We did ok. :)
>
> good
Today is going ok so far. We're in the middle of dying our hair blue and
pink. :) We bought a new portable media player yesterday, so we've been
busy playing with that some today, and we're going out with a friend
tonight.
--
-slunky
astri
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>>>> We finished it, and we're going to bring it to her on monday.
>>>>
>>>> not going to email it?
>>>
>>> Nope. Not enough time. She'd just get it monday morning now, we'd
>>> like to just hand it to her to read in session.
>>
>> ok
>
> She also won't have time to show it to her supervisor first either.
ah
sly
astri
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>>>> Trying to just get on with the day though. Thinking about it, but
>>>>> not dwelling so much on it right now.
>>>>
>>>> hope you did ok
>>>
>>> We did ok. :)
>>
>> good
>
> Today is going ok so far. We're in the middle of dying our hair blue
> and pink. :)
heh
> We bought a new portable media player yesterday, so
> we've been busy playing with that some today, and we're going out
> with a friend tonight.
:)
confused
I believe you will to. I just wish it wasn't so hard for you right now.
--
"wolfie" of confused
confused
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>>> On Fri, 4 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>>>> We finished it, and we're going to bring it to her on monday.
>>>>
>>>> not going to email it?
>>>
>>> Nope. Not enough time. She'd just get it monday morning now, we'd
>>> like to just hand it to her to read in session.
>>
>> ok
>
> She also won't have time to show it to her supervisor first either.
heh, is an interesting idea. regrets you feel the need to sneak around the
supervisor (someone inside really liked your plan)
--
"wolfie" of confused
slunky
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>>>
>>>> Nope. Not enough time. She'd just get it monday morning now, we'd
>>>> like to just hand it to her to read in session.
>>>
>>> ok
>>
>> She also won't have time to show it to her supervisor first either.
>
> ah
>
> sly
:)
--
-slunky
slunky
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>> Today is going ok so far. We're in the middle of dying our hair blue
>> and pink. :)
>
> heh
Looks pretty good, but we can't get all the extra blue out. Wendy tried
as best she could, but it's going to stay in there and stain like crazy.
>> We bought a new portable media player yesterday, so
>> we've been busy playing with that some today, and we're going out
>> with a friend tonight.
>
>:)
Should be fun. We don't know what we'll do yet, but there should be
something fun to do tonight outside the apartment even with all the
rain.
--
-slunky
astri
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, slunky wrote:
>>> Today is going ok so far. We're in the middle of dying our hair blue
>>> and pink. :)
>>
>> heh
>
> Looks pretty good, but we can't get all the extra blue out. Wendy
> tried as best she could, but it's going to stay in there and stain
> like crazy.
oops
>>> We bought a new portable media player yesterday, so
>>> we've been busy playing with that some today, and we're going out
>>> with a friend tonight.
>>
>> :)
>
> Should be fun. We don't know what we'll do yet, but there should be
> something fun to do tonight outside the apartment even with all the
> rain.
:)