:(

[astri]

we miss asd

[jill]

In article <2013012906...@oz.volcano.org>,
astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>we miss asd

Yes, very very much I agree. It is so sad to see this awesome universe
go away.

Rainbow Colors (Jill)
--
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The colors blend, the edges soften. Swirling and mixing
we are becoming white light.
ji...@tuells.org

[Catkejan]

On Jan 29, 11:05 am, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> we miss asd

Glad to hear from you!

jp

[astri]

On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, jill wrote:
> In article <2013012906...@oz.volcano.org>,
> astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> we miss asd
>
> Yes, very very much I agree. It is so sad to see this awesome
> universe go away.

*sigh*

[astri]

hihi :)

[mischa]

Am 29.01.2013 17:05, schrieb astri:
> we miss asd
>
us too
but its nice to see you posting again :-)
mischas chaos

[astri]

On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, mischa wrote:
> Am 29.01.2013 17:05, schrieb astri:
>> we miss asd
>>
> us too

*sigh*

> but its nice to see you posting again :-)

hihi :)

[Nahanton]

On 2013-01-29 11:05:08 -0500, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> said:

> we miss asd

hi hi astri..

Good to see you here. I never thought that this could happen here at
asd. There were so many ppl who posted. Such a vibrant community.
Very sad.. :(

Nahanton

[mischa]

hi Nahanton & astri

we still cannot believe this is really happening to asd. somehow we
still hope things will change again and somehow people will come back
and post etc
mischa's chaos

[astri]

On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, Nahanton wrote:
> On 2013-01-29 11:05:08 -0500, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> said:
>
>> we miss asd
>
> hi hi astri..

hihi

> Good to see you here.

ty

> I never thought that this could happen here at asd.
> There were so many ppl who posted. Such a vibrant community.
> Very sad.. :(

so true :(

[astri]

On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, mischa wrote:

> hi Nahanton & astri

hi

> we still cannot believe this is really happening to asd. somehow we
> still hope things will change again and somehow people will come back
> and post etc

usenet is so yesterday. just text. no animations jumping all over. no
pretty pictures. sigh

[Catkejan]

If there was some place like asdis but with animations I suppose I
could deal. I don't even know somewhere like that, though.

Sigh.

jp

[Catkejan]

hihihi :)

(If this becomes too silly you can say.)

jp

[astri]

neither do i.

> Sigh.

quite

[astri]

On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, Catkejan wrote:
> On Jan 29, 10:42 pm, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Catkejan wrote:
>>> On Jan 29, 11:05 am, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> we miss asd
>>
>>> Glad to hear from you!
>>
>> hihi :)
>
> hihihi :)

hihihihi :)

> (If this becomes too silly you can say.)

heh
silly?
certainly not!

[jill]

In article <23010fc4-4a2a-49a8...@h8g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Catkejan <M8R-...@mailinator.com> wrote:

For example, by saying 'heeheehee' *ducking and running*

[jill]

In article <2013013017...@oz.volcano.org>,

I'm pretty sure it's more than just that. Many people dote on email
and it is pretty much text only between normal people. And on facebook
there are side ads and such, but the interaction is still all in text
with a few simple smilies (which are hysterically funny btw). So
people still do a lot of text only interactions.

I think it is more about how we interact, what we say. ASD feels more
personal and interactive than the other group type things I know of.
For example, I am in a nook group on facebook. People come and go,
they post one sentence or just click 'like'. They don't seem to go off
topic very far or very often. I don't get to know them as an
individual, they are simply words on a screen who 'get' the concept of
nooking. Very shallow. Maybe people prefer this type of communication.

And the other part to that is there is no sense of obligation. I don't
HAVE TO post to the nook group. It goes on just fine without me. Here
I feel a sense of obligation and committment to keeping the group
moving. Without me, the group is lessened. There is that sense of 'I
must'. I'm sure many people in our society would prefer to have as
little of this as possible. Our social sense of personal
responsibility is pretty low right now :P

[jill]

In article <d0b6ace9-5d3b-4776...@f6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Catkejan <M8R-...@mailinator.com> wrote:

LOL I can imagine the smilies we would come up with in this group.
The one with one smiley dissolving into lots of smilies all milling
about. The one with a bunch of boxes with smilies in each box, all
making different faces.

[astri]

there are support communities out there. none of them seem much like
asd, tho. they all have rules and moderators and stuff like that. to
us, the "nice" we see there seems fake, cuz they don't have any choice.
there's this obligatory and automatic "i support you" without much of
the critical, active engagement that is asd at its best. we looked when
we realized what was happening at asd. the "nice" here doesn't feel
fake cuz it isn't obligatory.

[astri]

On Thu, 31 Jan 2013, jill wrote:

> In article <d0b6ace9-5d3b-4776...@f6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> Catkejan <M8R-...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>
>> If there was some place like asdis but with animations I suppose I
>> could deal. I don't even know somewhere like that, though.
>>
>> Sigh.
>

> LOL I can imagine the smilies we would come up with in this group.
> The one with one smiley dissolving into lots of smilies all milling
> about. The one with a bunch of boxes with smilies in each box, all
> making different faces.

don't like all the animation stuff. too visually overstimulating.

[Catkejan]

On Jan 31, 9:44 am, j...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:
> In article <20130130172559.P52...@oz.volcano.org>,

>
> astri  <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, mischa wrote:
>
> >> hi Nahanton & astri
>
> >hi
>
> >> we still cannot believe this is really happening to asd. somehow we
> >> still hope things will change again and somehow people will come back
> >> and post etc
>
> >usenet is so yesterday. just text. no animations jumping all over. no
> >pretty pictures. sigh
>
> I'm pretty sure it's more than just that. Many people dote on email
> and it is pretty much text only between normal people. And on facebook
> there are side ads and such, but the interaction is still all in text
> with a few simple smilies (which are hysterically funny btw). So
> people still do a lot of text only interactions.
>
> I think it is more about how we interact, what we say. ASD feels more
> personal and interactive than the other group type things I know of.
> For example, I am in a nook group on facebook. People come and go,
> they post one sentence or just click 'like'. They don't seem to go off
> topic very far or very often. I don't get to know them as an
> individual, they are simply words on a screen who 'get' the concept of
> nooking. Very shallow. Maybe people prefer this type of communication.

Hmm... The other online discussion group (vague enough term yet?) I
frequent has lots of off-topic posts, too. Though like asdis it's hard
to say what's on-topic because the topic is so loosely defined. I
think the "feel" of getting to know posters keeps me coming back more
than anything, now that I think of it.

That's a text-only group, too. Not even any smilies.

I suspect asdis is highly impractical to stumble upon. Too few new
people posting and staying.

You'd need creative google groups searching--I can't even find posts I
know I read yesterday let alone anything serendipitous. Google groups
isn't the most popular thing to visit to begin with and I bet even
fewer people get regular usenet services unless they've specific
groups in mind.

> And the other part to that is there is no sense of obligation. I don't
> HAVE TO post to the nook group. It goes on just fine without me. Here
> I feel a sense of obligation and committment to keeping the group
> moving. Without me, the group is lessened. There is that sense of 'I
> must'. I'm sure many people in our society would prefer to have as
> little of this as possible. Our social sense of personal
> responsibility is pretty low right now :P
>
> Rainbow Colors (Jill)

Sometimes that's the only reason I post, but I've never generated
volume because of it.

jp

[Catkejan]

On Jan 31, 9:37 am, j...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:
> In article <23010fc4-4a2a-49a8-9838-5f480bbe5...@h8g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,

>
> Catkejan  <M8R-5v...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 29, 10:42=A0pm, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Catkejan wrote:
> >> > On Jan 29, 11:05=A0am, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> we miss asd
>
> >> > Glad to hear from you!
>
> >> hihi :)
>
> >hihihi :)
>
> >(If this becomes too silly you can say.)
>
> >jp
>
> For example, by saying 'heeheehee' *ducking and running*

quack quack quack quack

(That's a duck saying "hi" four times.)

jp

[Catkejan]

hi :) :)
:) hi :)
:) :) hi

(looks like I'm playing a game)

jp

[jill]

In article <9441b613-556b-4b5a...@pp8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Catkejan <M8R-...@mailinator.com> wrote:

>On Jan 31, 9:44=A0am, j...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:
>> In article <20130130172559.P52...@oz.volcano.org>,
>>

In one of the nook groups I frequent they have set up 'threads' so
everyone can always be on topic :P We are allowed to talk about
anything as long as we put it in the right 'thread'. So, if I'm
chatting along about a book I'm reading on my nook and it reminds me
of something funny my dog did I have to NOT say that but go to the
other area where posts about pets are allowed and find the thread
labeled 'funny things about pets' and put it there. *rolls eyes* It is
completely unnatural when it comes to communication.

>That's a text-only group, too. Not even any smilies.

I like the smiley things cause they are SO funny and can be used to
express non verbal communication that words just can't convey. Of
course I rarely use the smilies as they were intended *grin* For
example, my favorite one is two smilies and the one is poking the
other one with a stick and the one being poked makes hysterically
funny faces. I randomly sprinkle that in my posts because it is funny,
not because I want it to mean what it was designed to mean. *insert it
here*

>I suspect asdis is highly impractical to stumble upon. Too few new
>people posting and staying.
>
>You'd need creative google groups searching--I can't even find posts I
>know I read yesterday let alone anything serendipitous. Google groups
>isn't the most popular thing to visit to begin with and I bet even
>fewer people get regular usenet services unless they've specific
>groups in mind.

I'm not even sure regular people get usenet service unless they go
through google :P~~~~~~ Many isps don't mention it or carry it.

>> And the other part to that is there is no sense of obligation. I don't
>> HAVE TO post to the nook group. It goes on just fine without me. Here
>> I feel a sense of obligation and committment to keeping the group
>> moving. Without me, the group is lessened. There is that sense of 'I
>> must'. I'm sure many people in our society would prefer to have as
>> little of this as possible. Our social sense of personal
>> responsibility is pretty low right now :P
>>
>> Rainbow Colors (Jill)
>
>Sometimes that's the only reason I post, but I've never generated
>volume because of it.
>
>jp

At this point anything is better than nothing. And on that note, my SO
finally figured out how to get my asd posts more than once a day. Of
course now that the posting is so low it's not like I have to worry
about keeping up. STOMP

[astri]

On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, Catkejan wrote:
> On Jan 31, 9:44 am, j...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:
>> In article <20130130172559.P52...@oz.volcano.org>,
>> astri  <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> usenet is so yesterday. just text. no animations jumping all over.
>>> no pretty pictures. sigh
>>
>> I'm pretty sure it's more than just that. Many people dote on email
>> and it is pretty much text only between normal people. And on
>> facebook there are side ads and such, but the interaction is still
>> all in text with a few simple smilies (which are hysterically funny
>> btw). So people still do a lot of text only interactions.
>>
>> I think it is more about how we interact, what we say. ASD feels
>> more personal and interactive than the other group type things I
>> know of. For example, I am in a nook group on facebook. People
>> come and go, they post one sentence or just click 'like'. They
>> don't seem to go off topic very far or very often. I don't get to
>> know them as an individual, they are simply words on a screen who
>> 'get' the concept of nooking. Very shallow. Maybe people prefer
>> this type of communication.
>
> Hmm... The other online discussion group (vague enough term yet?) I
> frequent has lots of off-topic posts, too. Though like asdis it's
> hard to say what's on-topic because the topic is so loosely defined.
> I think the "feel" of getting to know posters keeps me coming back
> more than anything, now that I think of it.

that's what community is about, we think.

> That's a text-only group, too. Not even any smilies.
>
> I suspect asdis is highly impractical to stumble upon. Too few new
> people posting and staying.

so true.

> You'd need creative google groups searching--I can't even find posts
> I know I read yesterday let alone anything serendipitous. Google
> groups isn't the most popular thing to visit to begin with and I bet
> even fewer people get regular usenet services unless they've specific
> groups in mind.

exactly

[astri]

heh

[astri]

:)

> (looks like I'm playing a game)

tic tac toe!!!

[mischa]

hi there

what a nice rainy evening to be a melancholic member of asd talking to
other sort of melancholic, sort of sentimental or simply great members
of asd :-)

oh well ... maybe we're yesterday, too?

mischa's chaos

[mischa]

hi jp

if it had to be asd with animations, that would be okay with us, too.
so ... if anybody finds such a place, let us all konw! :-)
mischa's chaos

[mischa]

hi RC & astri

Am 31.01.2013 17:18, schrieb astri:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2013, jill wrote:
>> In article <2013013017...@oz.volcano.org>,
>> astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, mischa wrote:
>>>
>>>> we still cannot believe this is really happening to asd. somehow we
>>>> still hope things will change again and somehow people will come
>>>> back and post etc
>>>
>>> usenet is so yesterday. just text. no animations jumping all over.
>>> no pretty pictures. sigh
>>
>> I'm pretty sure it's more than just that. Many people dote on email
>> and it is pretty much text only between normal people. And on
>> facebook there are side ads and such, but the interaction is still
>> all in text with a few simple smilies (which are hysterically funny
>> btw). So people still do a lot of text only interactions.

hm ... well, you may have a point. we've been wondering about the effect
of facebook & co. (we're not into those, just in case someone's
wondering or looking for us there ;-))
but if they are basically text only or text mostly, that's not big the
difference

>> I think it is more about how we interact, what we say. ASD feels more
>> personal and interactive than the other group type things I know of.

*nodding*
which is why it is so sad to lose asd. it's not just another virtual
technical something on the net. it's about very personal contacts.
sometimes it feels like the home of our soul(s), so to say, a f*mily of
choice for sure

>> For example, I am in a nook group on facebook. People come and go,
>> they post one sentence or just click 'like'. They don't seem to go
>> off topic very far or very often. I don't get to know them as an
>> individual, they are simply words on a screen who 'get' the concept
>> of nooking. Very shallow. Maybe people prefer this type of
>> communication.

yup. very non-committal, just on/off to get some info or share bits and
pieces of information. pretty much like the boards and groups our SO
reads on technical stuff

>> And the other part to that is there is no sense of obligation. I
>> don't HAVE TO post to the nook group. It goes on just fine without
>> me. Here I feel a sense of obligation and committment to keeping the
>> group moving. Without me, the group is lessened. There is that
>> sense of 'I must'. I'm sure many people in our society would prefer
>> to have as little of this as possible. Our social sense of personal
>> responsibility is pretty low right now :P

yup. stupid society - or rather: societies unless you meant this to be
something like "the western cultures".
and it's sad cuz I think societies sort of stop to be societies if they
lack any sens of personal responsibility. it's like letting go what
keeps us (as in us who we form the societies) together. :-(

> there are support communities out there. none of them seem much like
> asd, tho. they all have rules and moderators and stuff like that. to
> us, the "nice" we see there seems fake, cuz they don't have any choice.
> there's this obligatory and automatic "i support you" without much of
> the critical, active engagement that is asd at its best. we looked when
> we realized what was happening at asd. the "nice" here doesn't feel
> fake cuz it isn't obligatory.

yeah right. asd is as real as the net gets. at least that's what it
feels to us. like people we meet here and what goes on between them is
really real. definitely not fake, not at all
which, again, makes the thought we all might be losing this so
unbearably sad
mischa's chaos

[mischa]

Hi JP & those reading along

... just one or two thoughts to add:

[...]

> I suspect asdis is highly impractical to stumble upon. Too few new
> people posting and staying.

*nodding*

>
> You'd need creative google groups searching--I can't even find posts I
> know I read yesterday let alone anything serendipitous. Google groups
> isn't the most popular thing to visit to begin with and I bet even
> fewer people get regular usenet services unless they've specific
> groups in mind.

hm ... is there anybody here with enough technical insight to figure out
how to change this? I mean, are there ways to change this? What it would
it take to set up asd in a way which would be more accessible?

mischa's chaos

[jill]

In article <keh5su$ee2$2...@solani.org>,

mischa <mis...@sorryadressis.invalid> wrote:
>hi jp
>
>if it had to be asd with animations, that would be okay with us, too.
>so ... if anybody finds such a place, let us all konw! :-)
>mischa's chaos

I am quite sure we could host some sort of web based something or
other (whatever they are called now) that would take asd out of
usenet. Of course it would mean we would still need PEOPLE
participating, but I am quite sure my computer set up is capable of
handling such a project.

Does anyone think it would help?

What I am thinking of is a website that people could access just like
they do any other website and people would log in and could have
aliases and whatnot. And we could have smilies! *grin* And all you
would need to get to it would be a web browser. I would make sure it
was nook friendly (of course) so it could be used on mobile devices.

But it would be as much like the real asd as possible.

If anyone is curious what I'm thinking of check out clubnook.com. That
one in particular is quite busy compared to what I was thinking of,
but the basic idea is there. You have to sign in, you can be anon,
people can post in different areas if they need stuff to be spoilered
or not.

I know it's not really the same but it would at least make asd easier
to use for everyone.

Let me know everyone, what you think!

Rainbow Colors (Jill)

>Am 31.01.2013 05:11, schrieb Catkejan:
>> On Jan 30, 10:28 pm, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, mischa wrote:
>>>> hi Nahanton & astri
>>>
>>> hi
>>>
>>>> we still cannot believe this is really happening to asd. somehow we
>>>> still hope things will change again and somehow people will come back
>>>> and post etc
>>>
>>> usenet is so yesterday. just text. no animations jumping all over. no
>>> pretty pictures. sigh
>>
>> If there was some place like asdis but with animations I suppose I
>> could deal. I don't even know somewhere like that, though.
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> jp
>>
>

[Just Me]

In article
<51cd610e-ee10-42f3...@pd8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,

A multiple duck

[Just Me]

In article <w_Odnc5Rxar9RJbM...@giganews.com>,

ji...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:

> I like the smiley things cause they are SO funny and can be used to
> express non verbal communication that words just can't convey. Of
> course I rarely use the smilies as they were intended *grin* For
> example, my favorite one is two smilies and the one is poking the
> other one with a stick and the one being poked makes hysterically
> funny faces. I randomly sprinkle that in my posts because it is funny,
> not because I want it to mean what it was designed to mean. *insert it
> here*

so much to say on all discussions re this. kinda trying not to because
is "so much."

Re smilies and graphics, most forum software have option to allow
individuals to disable all images if they'd like: smilies, pics in sigs
and posts, disable avatars. If view through RSS feed (also going away
like usenet) or mobile site, can also see simpler version of site. so
whoever want could see stick poking graphic. If disabled would see
(*poke*) or similar txt.

just sayin'. customizable per user.

[jill]

In article <kehk7j$pfn$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

Yes, the one template I'm thinking of definitely allows customizable
in many ways to each user. It is also customizable to the person who
runs the website as well.

[jill]

In article <keh6ir$h3d$1...@solani.org>,

mischa <mis...@sorryadressis.invalid> wrote:
>Hi JP & those reading along
>

>... just on or two thoughts to add:

It isn't about how visible asd is, but rather how visible/usable
usenet is. Many isps don't even allow it to be an option which is why
some have to get it through google. Google groups are great for very
limited use, but not for bigger navigation. So, on the one hand it's
better than not finding asd at all ever, but it is so awkward to use
that nothing is easy to find, even if you know what you are looking
for and know it exists.

In order to change this we would have to do something like I suggested
in my other post, change the fundamentalness of asd to make it usable
regardless of isp.

[gathring]

On 1/29/2013 8:05 AM, astri wrote:
> we miss asd
>
Think its safe to say asd misses you too

[gathring]

On 1/30/2013 1:59 PM, mischa wrote:
> hi Nahanton & astri
>

> we still cannot believe this is really happening to asd. somehow we
> still hope things will change again and somehow people will come back
> and post etc

> mischa's chaos
>
> Am 30.01.2013 21:00, schrieb Nahanton:
>> On 2013-01-29 11:05:08 -0500, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> said:
>>
>>> we miss asd
>>
>> hi hi astri..
>>
>> Good to see you here. I never thought that this could happen here at
>> asd. There were so many ppl who posted. Such a vibrant community.
>> Very sad.. :(
>>
>> Nahanton
>>
>

us too. this has always been a place we could come or come back to.

[gathring]

On 1/30/2013 7:28 PM, astri wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, mischa wrote:
>
>> hi Nahanton & astri
>

> hi

>
>> we still cannot believe this is really happening to asd. somehow we
>> still hope things will change again and somehow people will come back
>> and post etc
>

> usenet is so yesterday. just text. no animations jumping all over. no
> pretty pictures. sigh

nothing but real human interaction? actual conversations? oh my

[astri]

On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, mischa wrote:

> hi there

hi

> what a nice rainy evening to be a melancholic member of asd talking
> to other sort of melancholic, sort of sentimental or simply great
> members of asd :-)

heh

> Am 31.01.2013 04:28, schrieb astri:
>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, mischa wrote:
>>
>>> hi Nahanton & astri
>>
>> hi
>>
>>> we still cannot believe this is really happening to asd. somehow we
>>> still hope things will change again and somehow people will come
>>> back and post etc
>>
>> usenet is so yesterday. just text. no animations jumping all over.
>> no pretty pictures. sigh
>
> oh well ... maybe we're yesterday, too?

well, *we're* last week!

[gathring]

I think the lack of support of usenet by many isps is a big part of it.
combine that with the some odd type of phenomena that seems to have
taken place a few years back. the phenomena i'm thinking of is that
fewer people seem to want to know about all of what's available on the
web. maybe that isn't it. maybe they all want one way to access all
that's out there. i know that irc is not as robust as it once was
either, and seems to be more scattered, making it hard to find people
with whom you have commonalities.

[gathring]

feels as if its a bit like the art of letter writing. when new, more
'efficient' methods of communications became widely available and
affordable, people didn't 'need' that skill anymore.

i agree with the general consensus here tho...the other 'resources'
available today seem stilted and lacking personality. people seem afraid
to share anything deeply personal, or to form meaningful relationships.
some of that i think is because of the 'thread' phenomena. maybe some of
it is because web pages seem so much more public. when i first started
using usenet, the only way to access it was to find a group or groups by
searching through lists of thousands, using a separate application.

maybe community means something different now

[astri]

On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, mischa wrote:

> Am 31.01.2013 17:18, schrieb astri:
>> On Thu, 31 Jan 2013, jill wrote:
>>> In article <2013013017...@oz.volcano.org>,
>>> astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, mischa wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> we still cannot believe this is really happening to asd. somehow
>>>>> we still hope things will change again and somehow people will
>>>>> come back and post etc
>>>>
>>>> usenet is so yesterday. just text. no animations jumping all over.
>>>> no pretty pictures. sigh
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure it's more than just that. Many people dote on email
>>> and it is pretty much text only between normal people. And on
>>> facebook there are side ads and such, but the interaction is still
>>> all in text with a few simple smilies (which are hysterically funny
>>> btw). So people still do a lot of text only interactions.
>
> hm ... well, you may have a point. we've been wondering about the
> effect of facebook & co. (we're not into those, just in case
> someone's wondering or looking for us there ;-))

we refuse to do facebook

> but if they are basically text only or text mostly, that's not big
> the difference

a big difference is the degree of control over what and where folks
post stuff in those places.

>>> I think it is more about how we interact, what we say. ASD feels
>>> more personal and interactive than the other group type things I
>>> know of.
>
> *nodding*

yes

> which is why it is so sad to lose asd. it's not just another virtual
> technical something on the net. it's about very personal contacts.
> sometimes it feels like the home of our soul(s), so to say, a f*mily
> of choice for sure

yes!

>>> For example, I am in a nook group on facebook. People come and go,
>>> they post one sentence or just click 'like'. They don't seem to go
>>> off topic very far or very often. I don't get to know them as an
>>> individual, they are simply words on a screen who 'get' the concept
>>> of nooking. Very shallow. Maybe people prefer this type of
>>> communication.
>

> of information. pretty much like the boards and groups our SO reads
> on technical stuff

(sorry, lost the first line of what you'd written there)

>>> And the other part to that is there is no sense of obligation. I
>>> don't HAVE TO post to the nook group. It goes on just fine without
>>> me. Here I feel a sense of obligation and committment to keeping
>>> the group moving. Without me, the group is lessened. There is
>>> that sense of 'I must'. I'm sure many people in our society would
>>> prefer to have as little of this as possible. Our social sense of
>>> personal responsibility is pretty low right now :P
>
> yup. stupid society - or rather: societies unless you meant this to
> be something like "the western cultures".
> and it's sad cuz I think societies sort of stop to be societies if
> they lack any sens of personal responsibility. it's like letting go
> what keeps us (as in us who we form the societies) together. :-(

like there are no "villages" any longer

>> there are support communities out there. none of them seem much like
>> asd, tho. they all have rules and moderators and stuff like that.
>> to us, the "nice" we see there seems fake, cuz they don't have any
>> choice. there's this obligatory and automatic "i support you"
>> without much of the critical, active engagement that is asd at its
>> best. we looked when we realized what was happening at asd. the
>> "nice" here doesn't feel fake cuz it isn't obligatory.
>
> yeah right. asd is as real as the net gets. at least that's what it
> feels to us. like people we meet here and what goes on between them
> is really real. definitely not fake, not at all

yeah

> which, again, makes the thought we all might be losing this so
> unbearably sad

yes again

[astri]

On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, mischa wrote:
>

we thought about doing something like that years ago when usenet
started to crumble. (not that we have the technical expertise, tho)

[gathring]

it might work, and being browser based people would be more likely to
stumble on it. when it was mentioned, i was picturing a webpage which
gave direct access to asd. i know its possible, but i don't have the
time or all of the requisite skills to do that tho.

[astri]

On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, jill wrote:
> In article <keh5su$ee2$2...@solani.org>,
> mischa <mis...@sorryadressis.invalid> wrote:
>> hi jp
>>
>> if it had to be asd with animations, that would be okay with us,
>> too. so ... if anybody finds such a place, let us all konw! :-)
>

> I am quite sure we could host some sort of web based something or
> other (whatever they are called now) that would take asd out of
> usenet. Of course it would mean we would still need PEOPLE
> participating, but I am quite sure my computer set up is capable of
> handling such a project.

have you asked your so whether he'd be willing to help you set this
up? and would it be dependent on your net feed or completely separate
from usenet.

> Does anyone think it would help?

depends. asd is, in large part, the community that evolved because of
the people who have been here.

remember when we tried to move asar? that didn't really work very well.

> What I am thinking of is a website that people could access just like
> they do any other website and people would log in and could have
> aliases and whatnot. And we could have smilies!

:P

what's wrong with ascii smilies?

> *grin* And all you would need to get to it would be a web browser. I
> would make sure it was nook friendly (of course) so it could be used
> on mobile devices.
>
> But it would be as much like the real asd as possible.
>
> If anyone is curious what I'm thinking of check out clubnook.com.
> That one in particular is quite busy compared to what I was thinking
> of, but the basic idea is there. You have to sign in, you can be
> anon, people can post in different areas if they need stuff to be
> spoilered or not.

see, but if you make different areas, then already it's not asd. :P

> I know it's not really the same but it would at least make asd easier
> to use for everyone.
>
> Let me know everyone, what you think!

depends

[astri]

heeee

[astri]

On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, Just Me wrote:

sure, but if you disable the images, you end up missing half the
interactions. really. try it.

[astri]

On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, jill wrote:
>
> It isn't about how visible asd is, but rather how visible/usable
> usenet is. Many isps don't even allow it to be an option which is
> why some have to get it through google.

right

> Google groups are great for very limited use, but not for bigger
> navigation. So, on the one hand it's better than not finding asd at
> all ever, but it is so awkward to use that nothing is easy to find,
> even if you know what you are looking for and know it exists.

maybe cuz it's so big?

> In order to change this we would have to do something like I
> suggested in my other post, change the fundamentalness of asd to make
> it usable regardless of isp.

an "improved" google groups type interface that directly reflects
usenet, so those of us who post through usenet newsgroups and those of
us who post through the web interface are accessing the same feed. if
that's possible, that's ideal we think.

[astri]

oh

ty

[astri]

On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, gathring wrote:

yes!

[astri]

On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, gathring wrote:

indeed

[Catkejan]

On Feb 1, 10:04 am, j...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:
> In article <9441b613-556b-4b5a-b0a9-84721bbdb...@pp8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> Catkejan  <M8R-5v...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 31, 9:44=A0am, j...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:
> >> In article <20130130172559.P52...@oz.volcano.org>,

>
> >> astri =A0<as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> >On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, mischa wrote:
>
> >> >> hi Nahanton & astri
>
> >> >hi
>
> >> >> we still cannot believe this is really happening to asd. somehow we
> >> >> still hope things will change again and somehow people will come back
> >> >> and post etc
>
> >> >usenet is so yesterday. just text. no animations jumping all over. no
> >> >pretty pictures. sigh
>

> >> I'm pretty sure it's more than just that. Many people dote on email
> >> and it is pretty much text only between normal people. And on facebook
> >> there are side ads and such, but the interaction is still all in text
> >> with a few simple smilies (which are hysterically funny btw). So
> >> people still do a lot of text only interactions.
>

> >> I think it is more about how we interact, what we say. ASD feels more
> >> personal and interactive than the other group type things I know of.

> >> For example, I am in a nook group on facebook. People come and go,
> >> they post one sentence or just click 'like'. They don't seem to go off
> >> topic very far or very often. I don't get to know them as an
> >> individual, they are simply words on a screen who 'get' the concept of
> >> nooking. Very shallow. Maybe people prefer this type of communication.
>

> >Hmm... The other online discussion group (vague enough term yet?) I
> >frequent has lots of off-topic posts, too. Though like asdis it's hard
> >to say what's on-topic because the topic is so loosely defined. I
> >think the "feel" of getting to know posters keeps me coming back more
> >than anything, now that I think of it.
>

> In one of the nook groups I frequent they have set up 'threads' so
> everyone can always be on topic :P We are allowed to talk about
> anything as long as we put it in the right 'thread'. So, if I'm
> chatting along about a book I'm reading on my nook and it reminds me
> of something funny my dog did I have to NOT say that but go to the
> other area where posts about pets are allowed and find the thread
> labeled 'funny things about pets' and put it there. *rolls eyes* It is
> completely unnatural when it comes to communication.

Ughhh... yeah, feels so forced.

Does your nook group have threads or just one post after another? With
threads (like asdis) it's easier for people to go off on tangents.
With all the posts in a line it gets hard to follow.

> >That's a text-only group, too. Not even any smilies.
>

> I like the smiley things cause they are SO funny and can be used to
> express non verbal communication that words just can't convey. Of
> course I rarely use the smilies as they were intended *grin* For
> example, my favorite one is two smilies and the one is poking the
> other one with a stick and the one being poked makes hysterically
> funny faces. I randomly sprinkle that in my posts because it is funny,
> not because I want it to mean what it was designed to mean. *insert it
> here*

The web-based group I mentioned's text-only, but people link to
images. If I'm feeling like it I open the image and hopefully it's
funny. If it doesn't seem likely to be relevant I don't.

> >I suspect asdis is highly impractical to stumble upon. Too few new
> >people posting and staying.
>

> >You'd need creative google groups searching--I can't even find posts I
> >know I read yesterday let alone anything serendipitous. Google groups
> >isn't the most popular thing to visit to begin with and I bet even
> >fewer people get regular usenet services unless they've specific
> >groups in mind.
>

> I'm not even sure regular people get usenet service unless they go
> through google :P~~~~~~ Many isps don't mention it or carry it.

Yeah, I basically assume usenet means google groups because of that.
No other practical steps to find it, and google groups isn't too
practical.

> >> And the other part to that is there is no sense of obligation. I don't
> >> HAVE TO post to the nook group. It goes on just fine without me. Here
> >> I feel a sense of obligation and committment to keeping the group
> >> moving. Without me, the group is lessened. There is that sense of 'I
> >> must'. I'm sure many people in our society would prefer to have as
> >> little of this as possible. Our social sense of personal
> >> responsibility is pretty low right now :P
>

> >> Rainbow Colors (Jill)
>
> >Sometimes that's the only reason I post, but I've never generated
> >volume because of it.
>
> >jp
>

> At this point anything is better than nothing. And on that note, my SO
> finally figured out how to get my asd posts more than once a day. Of
> course now that the posting is so low it's not like I have to worry
> about keeping up.  STOMP

But now I can keep up! :)

...

:(

jp

[Catkejan]

On Feb 1, 12:15 pm, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, Catkejan wrote:
> > On Jan 31, 9:37 am, j...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:
> >> In article <23010fc4-4a2a-49a8-9838-5f480bbe5...@h8g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
> >> Catkejan  <M8R-5v...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> >>> (If this becomes too silly you can say.)
>
> >>> jp
>
> >> For example, by saying 'heeheehee' *ducking and running*
>
> > quack quack quack quack
>
> > (That's a duck saying "hi" four times.)
>

> heh

quack!

jp

[Catkejan]

On Feb 1, 12:15 pm, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, Catkejan wrote:

> > On Jan 30, 11:50 pm, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, Catkejan wrote:
> >>> On Jan 29, 10:42 pm, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> >>>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Catkejan wrote:
> >>>>> On Jan 29, 11:05 am, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>> we miss asd
>
> >>>>> Glad to hear from you!
>
> >>>> hihi :)
>
> >>> hihihi :)
>

> >> hihihihi :)

>
> >>> (If this becomes too silly you can say.)
>

> >> heh
> >> silly?
> >> certainly not!
>
> > hi :) :)
> > :) hi :)
> > :) :) hi
>
> :)
>
> > (looks like I'm playing a game)
>
> tic tac toe!!!

Want to play? :)

Google groups doesn't even have the square font. Frustrating!

jp

[Catkejan]

On Feb 1, 2:43 pm, mischa <mis...@sorryadressis.invalid> wrote:
> hi jp
>
> if it had to be asd with animations, that would be okay with us, too.
> so ... if anybody finds such a place, let us all konw! :-)

> mischa's chaos

I did (well, some animations... you have to click before you see
them)! There are groups for everything under the sun... except
dissociation. I've often thought of creating one but it feels like
"betraying" asdis and I don't know if anyone would post.

jp

> Am 31.01.2013 05:11, schrieb Catkejan:
>

> > On Jan 30, 10:28 pm, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, mischa wrote:
> >>> hi Nahanton & astri
>
> >> hi
>
> >>> we still cannot believe this is really happening to asd. somehow we
> >>> still hope things will change again and somehow people will come back
> >>> and post etc
>
> >> usenet is so yesterday. just text. no animations jumping all over. no
> >> pretty pictures. sigh
>

[astri]

On Sat, 2 Feb 2013, gathring wrote:

> I think the lack of support of usenet by many isps is a big part of
> it.

maybe the biggest part?

> combine that with the some odd type of phenomena that seems to have
> taken place a few years back. the phenomena i'm thinking of is that
> fewer people seem to want to know about all of what's available on
> the web. maybe that isn't it. maybe they all want one way to access
> all that's out there.

or that they think that the www and what you can find on google *is*
all that is out there?

> i know that irc is not as robust as it once was either, and seems to
> be more scattered, making it hard to find people with whom you have
> commonalities.

and there are so many other ways to do chatrooms, as well.

[Catkejan]

On Feb 2, 11:33 am, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, jill wrote:

> > In article <keh5su$ee...@solani.org>,

> > mischa  <mis...@sorryadressis.invalid> wrote:
> >> hi jp
>
> >> if it had to be asd with animations, that would be okay with us,
> >> too.  so ...  if anybody finds such a place, let us all konw!  :-)
>
> > I am quite sure we could host some sort of web based something or
> > other (whatever they are called now) that would take asd out of
> > usenet. Of course it would mean we would still need PEOPLE
> > participating, but I am quite sure my computer set up is capable of
> > handling such a project.
>
> have you asked your so whether he'd be willing to help you set this
> up? and would it be dependent on your net feed or completely separate
> from usenet.
>
> > Does anyone think it would help?
>
> depends. asd is, in large part, the community that evolved because of
> the people who have been here.
>
> remember when we tried to move asar? that didn't really work very well.
>
> > What I am thinking of is a website that people could access just like
> > they do any other website and people would log in and could have
> > aliases and whatnot. And we could have smilies!
>
> :P
>
> what's wrong with ascii smilies?

I know this isn't a serious question. My not serious answer's
"Nothing--I prefer them". However, because it's on my mind...

You can make sideways ones two ways: with and without a dash. I make
them without, like :) but lots of phones and such make them with,
like :-)

It's silly, but I feel like I'm doing it "wrong" when I talk with
someone whose buttons make them like that.

jp

[Catkejan]

Yeah. Seems many people don't want to know about anything outside
Facebook and maybe a few extra sites for shopping, radio, or their
news. :/

jp

[Catkejan]

On Feb 1, 6:38 pm, Just Me <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> In article

> <51cd610e-ee10-42f3-93c0-6beee18b7...@pd8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>  Catkejan <M8R-5v...@mailinator.com> wrote:

> > On Jan 31, 9:37 am, j...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:
> > > In article

> > > <23010fc4-4a2a-49a8-9838-5f480bbe5...@h8g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > Catkejan  <M8R-5v...@mailinator.com> wrote:

> > > >On Jan 29, 10:42=A0pm, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > > >> On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Catkejan wrote:
> > > >> > On Jan 29, 11:05=A0am, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > > >> >> we miss asd
>
> > > >> > Glad to hear from you!
>
> > > >> hihi :)
>
> > > >hihihi :)
>

> > > >(If this becomes too silly you can say.)
>

> > > >jp
>
> > > For example, by saying 'heeheehee' *ducking and running*
>
> > quack quack quack quack
>
> > (That's a duck saying "hi" four times.)
>

> > jp
>
> A multiple duck

I like this! Funny! :D

jp

[astri]

On Sat, 2 Feb 2013, gathring wrote:

> feels as if its a bit like the art of letter writing. when new, more
> 'efficient' methods of communications became widely available and
> affordable, people didn't 'need' that skill anymore.

quite true

> i agree with the general consensus here tho...the other 'resources'
> available today seem stilted and lacking personality. people seem
> afraid to share anything deeply personal, or to form meaningful
> relationships. some of that i think is because of the 'thread'
> phenomena.

which stifles actual conversation.

> maybe some of it is because web pages seem so much more public.

maybe?
dunno about that one.

> when i first started using usenet, the only way to access it was to
> find a group or groups by searching through lists of thousands, using
> a separate application.

heh

> maybe community means something different now

maybe

[astri]

On Sat, 2 Feb 2013, gathring wrote:

> it might work, and being browser based people would be more likely to
> stumble on it. when it was mentioned, i was picturing a webpage
> which gave direct access to asd.

that's what we think would be ideal.

> i know its possible, but i don't have the time or all of the
> requisite skills to do that tho.

bet jill's so does ;)

[Catkejan]

On Feb 1, 2:55 pm, mischa <mis...@sorryadressis.invalid> wrote:
> Hi JP & those reading along
>
> ... just one or two thoughts to add:
>
> [...]
>

> > I suspect asdis is highly impractical to stumble upon. Too few new
> > people posting and staying.
>

> *nodding*

>
>
>
> > You'd need creative google groups searching--I can't even find posts I
> > know I read yesterday let alone anything serendipitous. Google groups
> > isn't the most popular thing to visit to begin with and I bet even
> > fewer people get regular usenet services unless they've specific
> > groups in mind.
>

> hm ... is there anybody here with enough technical insight to figure out
> how to change this? I mean, are there ways to change this? What it would
> it take to set up asd in a way which would be more accessible?
>

> mischa's chaos

That's the question, isn't it?

Most web sites that profess to show usenet posts or act like usenet
don't. For example, posts are one after another instead of showing
threaded replies. Google groups and bulletin boards work like this.

Strangely, I can think of two sites who make no claims of being more
like usenet but actually are more like them. But if posts from usenet
asdis don't appear on the web then everyone has to use one or the
other or things fragment. And it's really the community of people
that's key, so that's bad.

I don't know.

jp

[astri]

bwawk
bwawk bwawkbwawkbwawkbwawk bwaaaaawk

oh, wait! that wasn't a duck

[astri]

heh

> Google groups doesn't even have the square font. Frustrating!

:P

- - -
- o -
- - -

[astri]

On Sat, 2 Feb 2013, Catkejan wrote:

> On Feb 2, 11:33 am, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> what's wrong with ascii smilies?
>
> I know this isn't a serious question. My not serious answer's
> "Nothing--I prefer them".

me too

> However, because it's on my mind...
>
> You can make sideways ones two ways: with and without a dash. I make
> them without, like :)

me too

> but lots of phones and such make them with,
> like :-)

:P

> It's silly, but I feel like I'm doing it "wrong" when I talk with
> someone whose buttons make them like that.

maybe it's them that are wrong?

[Catkejan]

:) - -

- o -
- - -

Are we playing with x's and o's or hi's and smileys? Or are there
three possible playing pieces (o, :) , and hi)? I like this game. :P

jp

[Catkejan]

Nice thought. But being right and wrong isn't absolute. It's about
conforming and no one finding out I'm bad. Thus, if all the phones
decide :-) is best then what will people think when I use :) instead? :
(

jp

[Catkejan]

honk honk honk!

I'm going to where there are some birds soon, actually.

jp

[gathring]

don't know how easy would be to interface all usenet but think a single
group is definitely achievable

[gathring]

yes, but i never have been able to find another way that had the quality
of the rooms i used to frequent that have since died. sigh

[gathring]

the bigger the world becomes, the smaller we try to make our part of it?

[gathring]

know for sure that the more ideas we can all come up with, the better
the chance of success.

[gathring]

danged chickens! they're everywhere.

[gathring]

i always thought that the way people did their smileys reflected the way
they view their own appearance. the way you look can't be wrong can it?
i certainly hope not.

[Just Me]

In article <an5ftu...@mid.individual.net>,

gathring <nospam...@pacbell.net> wrote:


> i always thought that the way people did their smileys reflected the way
> they view their own appearance. the way you look can't be wrong can it?
> i certainly hope not.

so I don't have head on straight ;)

[Just Me]

In article <an5fmr...@mid.individual.net>,

I think whatever is chosen, the more "that way" is gone into with total
understanding of what = good/bad with it, the more chance of success.

More options/ideas = more chances to find best workable combo of
"good/bad" - imo

[gathring]

i've heard it said that none of the truly great one do.

[gathring]

doesn't best workable combo = most likely to succeed?

[Just Me]

In article <an5k9tF...@mid.individual.net>,

Yes :)

Sorry not clear. Was adding that IMO, part of finding best workable
solution (and success) is options *plus* knowledge/understanding of
benefits/drawbacks for each option.

[gathring]

got it. wise it is you are.

[jill]

In article <5c9199eb-40d7-411e...@rm7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Catkejan <M8R-...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>On Feb 1, 10:04=A0am, j...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:
>> In article <9441b613-556b-4b5a-b0a9-84721bbdb...@pp8g2000pbb.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>> Catkejan =A0<M8R-5v...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>> >On Jan 31, 9:44=3DA0am, j...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:
>> >> In article <20130130172559.P52...@oz.volcano.org>,

>>
>> >> astri =3DA0<as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, mischa wrote:
>>
>> >> >> hi Nahanton & astri
>>
>> >> >hi
>>
>> >> >> we still cannot believe this is really happening to asd. somehow we

>> >> >> still hope things will change again and somehow people will come ba=

>ck
>> >> >> and post etc
>>
>> >> >usenet is so yesterday. just text. no animations jumping all over. no
>> >> >pretty pictures. sigh
>>
>> >> I'm pretty sure it's more than just that. Many people dote on email
>> >> and it is pretty much text only between normal people. And on facebook
>> >> there are side ads and such, but the interaction is still all in text
>> >> with a few simple smilies (which are hysterically funny btw). So
>> >> people still do a lot of text only interactions.
>>
>> >> I think it is more about how we interact, what we say. ASD feels more
>> >> personal and interactive than the other group type things I know of.
>> >> For example, I am in a nook group on facebook. People come and go,
>> >> they post one sentence or just click 'like'. They don't seem to go off
>> >> topic very far or very often. I don't get to know them as an
>> >> individual, they are simply words on a screen who 'get' the concept of
>> >> nooking. Very shallow. Maybe people prefer this type of communication.
>>
>> >Hmm... The other online discussion group (vague enough term yet?) I
>> >frequent has lots of off-topic posts, too. Though like asdis it's hard
>> >to say what's on-topic because the topic is so loosely defined. I
>> >think the "feel" of getting to know posters keeps me coming back more
>> >than anything, now that I think of it.
>>

>> In one of the nook groups I frequent they have set up 'threads' so
>> everyone can always be on topic :P We are allowed to talk about
>> anything as long as we put it in the right 'thread'. So, if I'm
>> chatting along about a book I'm reading on my nook and it reminds me
>> of something funny my dog did I have to NOT say that but go to the
>> other area where posts about pets are allowed and find the thread
>> labeled 'funny things about pets' and put it there. *rolls eyes* It is
>> completely unnatural when it comes to communication.
>
>Ughhh... yeah, feels so forced.
>
>Does your nook group have threads or just one post after another? With
>threads (like asdis) it's easier for people to go off on tangents.
>With all the posts in a line it gets hard to follow.

It has a group of posts that are all supposed to go into that
category. So, there is the category 'silly things pets do' and
everything said in there is supposed to be about this topic. And then
there is a group 'cover suggestions for nook glowing simple' and so
on. We could do it however we want, but we could have a few broad
topics sort of like how we have subject headers that thread together.

>> >That's a text-only group, too. Not even any smilies.
>>

>> I like the smiley things cause they are SO funny and can be used to
>> express non verbal communication that words just can't convey. Of
>> course I rarely use the smilies as they were intended *grin* For
>> example, my favorite one is two smilies and the one is poking the
>> other one with a stick and the one being poked makes hysterically
>> funny faces. I randomly sprinkle that in my posts because it is funny,
>> not because I want it to mean what it was designed to mean. *insert it
>> here*
>
>The web-based group I mentioned's text-only, but people link to
>images. If I'm feeling like it I open the image and hopefully it's
>funny. If it doesn't seem likely to be relevant I don't.

I think people in the nook group do images as well. I mostly ignore
them

>> >I suspect asdis is highly impractical to stumble upon. Too few new
>> >people posting and staying.
>>
>> >You'd need creative google groups searching--I can't even find posts I
>> >know I read yesterday let alone anything serendipitous. Google groups
>> >isn't the most popular thing to visit to begin with and I bet even
>> >fewer people get regular usenet services unless they've specific
>> >groups in mind.
>>

>> I'm not even sure regular people get usenet service unless they go
>> through google :P~~~~~~ Many isps don't mention it or carry it.
>
>Yeah, I basically assume usenet means google groups because of that.
>No other practical steps to find it, and google groups isn't too
>practical.

We don't go through google to get to usenet so it is possible to do it
differently. I have no idea how easy/difficult it is because my SO
does all of that stuff.

>> >> And the other part to that is there is no sense of obligation. I don't
>> >> HAVE TO post to the nook group. It goes on just fine without me. Here
>> >> I feel a sense of obligation and committment to keeping the group
>> >> moving. Without me, the group is lessened. There is that sense of 'I
>> >> must'. I'm sure many people in our society would prefer to have as
>> >> little of this as possible. Our social sense of personal
>> >> responsibility is pretty low right now :P
>>
>> >> Rainbow Colors (Jill)
>>
>> >Sometimes that's the only reason I post, but I've never generated
>> >volume because of it.
>>
>> >jp
>>

>> At this point anything is better than nothing. And on that note, my SO
>> finally figured out how to get my asd posts more than once a day. Of
>> course now that the posting is so low it's not like I have to worry
>> about keeping up. =A0STOMP
>
>But now I can keep up! :)
>
>...
>
>:(
>
>jp

True. There is definitely advantages to asd staying small. As long as
it doesn't go away completely.

Rainbow Colors (Jill)

--
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The colors blend, the edges soften. Swirling and mixing
we are becoming white light.
ji...@tuells.org

[jill]

In article <an4t2v...@mid.individual.net>,
gathring <co...@dragonpack.com> wrote:
>On 2/1/2013 2:20 PM, jill wrote:
>> In article <keh5su$ee2$2...@solani.org>,

>> mischa <mis...@sorryadressis.invalid> wrote:
>>> hi jp
>>>
>>> if it had to be asd with animations, that would be okay with us, too.
>>> so ... if anybody finds such a place, let us all konw! :-)

>>> mischa's chaos

>>
>> I am quite sure we could host some sort of web based something or
>> other (whatever they are called now) that would take asd out of
>> usenet. Of course it would mean we would still need PEOPLE
>> participating, but I am quite sure my computer set up is capable of
>> handling such a project.
>>

>> Does anyone think it would help?
>>

>> What I am thinking of is a website that people could access just like
>> they do any other website and people would log in and could have

>> aliases and whatnot. And we could have smilies! *grin* And all you

>> would need to get to it would be a web browser. I would make sure it
>> was nook friendly (of course) so it could be used on mobile devices.
>>
>> But it would be as much like the real asd as possible.
>>
>> If anyone is curious what I'm thinking of check out clubnook.com. That
>> one in particular is quite busy compared to what I was thinking of,
>> but the basic idea is there. You have to sign in, you can be anon,
>> people can post in different areas if they need stuff to be spoilered
>> or not.
>>

>> I know it's not really the same but it would at least make asd easier
>> to use for everyone.
>>
>> Let me know everyone, what you think!
>>

>> Rainbow Colors (Jill)
>>
>>> Am 31.01.2013 05:11, schrieb Catkejan:

>>>> On Jan 30, 10:28 pm, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, mischa wrote:
>>>>>> hi Nahanton & astri
>>>>>
>>>>> hi
>>>>>
>>>>>> we still cannot believe this is really happening to asd. somehow we

>>>>>> still hope things will change again and somehow people will come back

>>>>>> and post etc
>>>>>
>>>>> usenet is so yesterday. just text. no animations jumping all over. no
>>>>> pretty pictures. sigh
>>>>

>>>> If there was some place like asdis but with animations I suppose I
>>>> could deal. I don't even know somewhere like that, though.
>>>>
>>>> Sigh.
>>>>
>>>> jp

>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>it might work, and being browser based people would be more likely to
>stumble on it. when it was mentioned, i was picturing a webpage which

>gave direct access to asd. i know its possible, but i don't have the

>time or all of the requisite skills to do that tho.

I am very sure I could set up a stand alone website and make it be a
lot like asd. I have no idea how to link that to usenet or do anything
else like has been described here.

I do however have someone in mind I might be able to hire...

[astri]

On Sat, 2 Feb 2013, Catkejan wrote:

> it's really the community of people that's key

totally

[jill]

In article <2013020207...@oz.volcano.org>,

Probably not that. I'm sure he could figure it out if we were willing
to work on his time table *rolls eyes* Keep in mind our house is STILL
not done...

But I know of a few different people who are able to do web based
things like this and I am mentally sorting through them to see who
might be safe enough to entrust with this level of information.

[astri]

well, we were playing o
we could play :o

:) - :o

[astri]

oh

we're just bad

[astri]

heh
cool

[astri]

really, we just meant asd on usenet

[astri]

that was about the people, not the room

[astri]

yeah
especially outside our windows at 2am
:P~~~~~~~~~~~~

[jill]

In article <2013020206...@oz.volcano.org>,
astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, jill wrote:
>> In article <keh5su$ee2$2...@solani.org>,
>> mischa <mis...@sorryadressis.invalid> wrote:
>>> hi jp
>>>
>>> if it had to be asd with animations, that would be okay with us,
>>> too. so ... if anybody finds such a place, let us all konw! :-)
>>

>> I am quite sure we could host some sort of web based something or
>> other (whatever they are called now) that would take asd out of
>> usenet. Of course it would mean we would still need PEOPLE
>> participating, but I am quite sure my computer set up is capable of
>> handling such a project.
>

>have you asked your so whether he'd be willing to help you set this
>up? and would it be dependent on your net feed or completely separate
>from usenet.

What I am picturing wouldn't require his help past very basic set up
details. I have looked into running my own website for my business and
I wouldn't need his help for that, past the initial set up.

Based on the hardware we have it would be hosted on our server and
routed through our domain, but on the other side of the firewall and
not connected to usenet (for what I had originally thought of, I had
never considered linking to usenet). that is what I know _I_ can do.
Past this, I would need to find someone who knows more about web
stuff.

>> Does anyone think it would help?
>

>depends. asd is, in large part, the community that evolved because of
>the people who have been here.
>
>remember when we tried to move asar? that didn't really work very well.

As I said in another reply. Much of that was because we simply moved
from usenet to usenet and added moderation on top of it. This would
move from usenet to a web browser environment so it would be
significantly easier to access. The moderation would be simple spam
screening and probably done automatically for the most part so there
would be almost no approval/disapproval on a human level. And if I
recall some of the biggest negativity with asarm was the human
moderation.

>> What I am thinking of is a website that people could access just like
>> they do any other website and people would log in and could have
>> aliases and whatnot. And we could have smilies!
>

>:P

>
>what's wrong with ascii smilies?

How do you the one smilie poking the other one and then that one
making a funny face?

>> *grin* And all you would need to get to it would be a web browser. I
>> would make sure it was nook friendly (of course) so it could be used
>> on mobile devices.
>>
>> But it would be as much like the real asd as possible.
>>
>> If anyone is curious what I'm thinking of check out clubnook.com.
>> That one in particular is quite busy compared to what I was thinking
>> of, but the basic idea is there. You have to sign in, you can be
>> anon, people can post in different areas if they need stuff to be
>> spoilered or not.
>

>see, but if you make different areas, then already it's not asd. :P

We wouldn't need different areas. It could be all one area and we
could maintain spoilers like always. The areas would be very simple
like 'spoilers' 'kids' 'everything else'. Or we would not have
different areas and just lump it all together like here.

>> I know it's not really the same but it would at least make asd easier
>> to use for everyone.
>>
>> Let me know everyone, what you think!
>

>depends


Yep. Now I have to consider and research the who bridge idea. I didn't
even know this was possible. At first glance this is far out of my
skill set so I'd have to find someone to help me and I know the SO
isn't going to be timely enough to be too involved so if I need his
help on a regular basis it won't work. It took him almost a month to
get my email set up on my new phone last year :P~~~

But I am still going to look into what is possible and if I can find
someone to help me pull it off. I have the hardware and connectivity,
I just need something idiot proof _I_ can run or someone with brains
who can help me run it.

[jill]

In article <232931a1-e2f1-47ce...@pu9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Catkejan <M8R-...@mailinator.com> wrote:

>On Feb 2, 11:33=A0am, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, jill wrote:

>> > In article <keh5su$ee...@solani.org>,

>> > mischa =A0<mis...@sorryadressis.invalid> wrote:
>> >> hi jp
>>
>> >> if it had to be asd with animations, that would be okay with us,

>> >> too. =A0so ... =A0if anybody finds such a place, let us all konw! =A0:=

>-)
>>
>> > I am quite sure we could host some sort of web based something or
>> > other (whatever they are called now) that would take asd out of
>> > usenet. Of course it would mean we would still need PEOPLE
>> > participating, but I am quite sure my computer set up is capable of
>> > handling such a project.
>>
>> have you asked your so whether he'd be willing to help you set this
>> up? and would it be dependent on your net feed or completely separate
>> from usenet.
>>

>> > Does anyone think it would help?
>>
>> depends. asd is, in large part, the community that evolved because of
>> the people who have been here.
>>
>> remember when we tried to move asar? that didn't really work very well.
>>

>> > What I am thinking of is a website that people could access just like
>> > they do any other website and people would log in and could have
>> > aliases and whatnot. And we could have smilies!
>>
>> :P
>>
>> what's wrong with ascii smilies?
>

>I know this isn't a serious question. My not serious answer's

>"Nothing--I prefer them". However, because it's on my mind...

>
>You can make sideways ones two ways: with and without a dash. I make

>them without, like :) but lots of phones and such make them with,
>like :-)
>

>It's silly, but I feel like I'm doing it "wrong" when I talk with
>someone whose buttons make them like that.
>

>jp

I believe the other person is 'wrong', not you. Smilies don't need
noses! Unless you need to put one in for a very specific reason.

Rainbow Colors (Jill)

>> > *grin* And all you would need to get to it would be a web browser. =A0I

>> > would make sure it was nook friendly (of course) so it could be used
>> > on mobile devices.
>>
>> > But it would be as much like the real asd as possible.
>>
>> > If anyone is curious what I'm thinking of check out clubnook.com.
>> > That one in particular is quite busy compared to what I was thinking

>> > of, but the basic idea is there. =A0You have to sign in, you can be

>> > anon, people can post in different areas if they need stuff to be
>> > spoilered or not.
>>
>> see, but if you make different areas, then already it's not asd. :P
>>

>> > I know it's not really the same but it would at least make asd easier
>> > to use for everyone.
>>
>> > Let me know everyone, what you think!
>>
>> depends
>

[jill]

In article <an4sld...@mid.individual.net>,
gathring <co...@dragonpack.com> wrote:
>On 2/1/2013 11:52 AM, mischa wrote:
>> hi RC & astri
>>
>> Am 31.01.2013 17:18, schrieb astri:
>>> On Thu, 31 Jan 2013, jill wrote:
>>>> In article <2013013017...@oz.volcano.org>,

>>>> astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, mischa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> we still cannot believe this is really happening to asd. somehow we
>>>>>> still hope things will change again and somehow people will come
>>>>>> back and post etc
>>>>>
>>>>> usenet is so yesterday. just text. no animations jumping all over.
>>>>> no pretty pictures. sigh
>>>>

>>>> I'm pretty sure it's more than just that. Many people dote on email
>>>> and it is pretty much text only between normal people. And on
>>>> facebook there are side ads and such, but the interaction is still
>>>> all in text with a few simple smilies (which are hysterically funny
>>>> btw). So people still do a lot of text only interactions.
>>

>> hm ... well, you may have a point. we've been wondering about the effect
>> of facebook & co. (we're not into those, just in case someone's
>> wondering or looking for us there ;-))
>> but if they are basically text only or text mostly, that's not big the
>> difference

>>
>>>> I think it is more about how we interact, what we say. ASD feels more
>>>> personal and interactive than the other group type things I know of.
>>

>> *nodding*
>> which is why it is so sad to lose asd. it's not just another virtual
>> technical something on the net. it's about very personal contacts.
>> sometimes it feels like the home of our soul(s), so to say, a f*mily of
>> choice for sure

>>
>>>> For example, I am in a nook group on facebook. People come and go,
>>>> they post one sentence or just click 'like'. They don't seem to go
>>>> off topic very far or very often. I don't get to know them as an
>>>> individual, they are simply words on a screen who 'get' the concept
>>>> of nooking. Very shallow. Maybe people prefer this type of
>>>> communication.
>>

>> yup. very non-committal, just on/off to get some info or share bits and
>> pieces of information. pretty much like the boards and groups our SO
>> reads on technical stuff

>>
>>>> And the other part to that is there is no sense of obligation. I
>>>> don't HAVE TO post to the nook group. It goes on just fine without
>>>> me. Here I feel a sense of obligation and committment to keeping the
>>>> group moving. Without me, the group is lessened. There is that
>>>> sense of 'I must'. I'm sure many people in our society would prefer
>>>> to have as little of this as possible. Our social sense of personal
>>>> responsibility is pretty low right now :P
>>

>> yup. stupid society - or rather: societies unless you meant this to be
>> something like "the western cultures".
>> and it's sad cuz I think societies sort of stop to be societies if they
>> lack any sens of personal responsibility. it's like letting go what
>> keeps us (as in us who we form the societies) together. :-(
>>
>>
>>> there are support communities out there. none of them seem much like
>>> asd, tho. they all have rules and moderators and stuff like that. to
>>> us, the "nice" we see there seems fake, cuz they don't have any choice.
>>> there's this obligatory and automatic "i support you" without much of
>>> the critical, active engagement that is asd at its best. we looked when
>>> we realized what was happening at asd. the "nice" here doesn't feel
>>> fake cuz it isn't obligatory.
>>
>> yeah right. asd is as real as the net gets. at least that's what it
>> feels to us. like people we meet here and what goes on between them is
>> really real. definitely not fake, not at all
>> which, again, makes the thought we all might be losing this so
>> unbearably sad
>> mischa's chaos
>>
>
>feels as if its a bit like the art of letter writing. when new, more
>'efficient' methods of communications became widely available and
>affordable, people didn't 'need' that skill anymore.
>
>i agree with the general consensus here tho...the other 'resources'
>available today seem stilted and lacking personality. people seem afraid
>to share anything deeply personal, or to form meaningful relationships.
>some of that i think is because of the 'thread' phenomena. maybe some of
>it is because web pages seem so much more public. when i first started
>using usenet, the only way to access it was to find a group or groups by
>searching through lists of thousands, using a separate application.
>
>maybe community means something different now

This is a very good point. If you have to scroll through a list the
place feels more private. If you can find it by googling, then it is
not. How much of this perception is important in asd survival? If we
were to move it or make it more accessible in some way, would it
retain the same feeling of privacy? Even if there is some bridge thing
that allows us to type in a web address in google and then it links to
usenet, won't it still feel more public? Will that 'damage' asd in
some way?

Rainbow Colors (Jill)

[gathring]

wasn't sure, wanted to clarify

[gathring]

sure, but where did they all go?

[gathring]

digging around...where the heck is that silencing gun?

[gathring]

if google can do it it can be done. i had seen in the past an irc chat
room available on the web. someone did it to make the room available
through the firewall in their workplace.

at the moment, i'm wishing i was more of a programmer and less of a
hardware/networking person

[gathring]

well, i know search engine ratings affect how fast your page comes up.
if you aren't doing some of the things web designers do to bring up
their ratings, you aren't as likely to get a hit unless there is a very
specific phrase that is searched for.

[jill]

In article <an5fq6...@mid.individual.net>,

gathring <co...@dragonpack.com> wrote:
>On 2/2/2013 9:27 AM, astri wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Feb 2013, Catkejan wrote:
>>> On Feb 1, 12:15�pm, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, Catkejan wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 31, 9:37�am, j...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <23010fc4-4a2a-49a8-9838-5f480bbe5...@h8g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>> Catkejan �<M8R-5v...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> (If this becomes too silly you can say.)
>>>>
>>>>>>> jp
>>>>
>>>>>> For example, by saying 'heeheehee' *ducking and running*
>>>>
>>>>> quack quack quack quack
>>>>
>>>>> (That's a duck saying "hi" four times.)
>>>>
>>>> heh
>>>
>>> quack!
>>
>> bwawk
>> bwawk bwawkbwawkbwawkbwawk bwaaaaawk
>>
>> oh, wait! that wasn't a duck
>
>danged chickens! they're everywhere.

Around here it is canadian geese. I bet they probably have some
extremely important niche in the environment, but I can't see it.