Memory Restoration...(Jill)
uncanny
Jill wrote:
>>>Yes and no. Depends on who you asked *grin* Really, that is very hard
>>>to answer because we didn't know the concept of co-consciousness at
>>>the time so it's hard to say in hindsight if what we had was co-con or
>>>not. Some of us knew of others of us. I personally could hear a few of
>>>the others inside at times. Of course at the time that was 'proof'
>>>that I was crazy :(
>>>
uncanny:
>>I guess what I am wondering/ asking is how can you break the walls of
>>amnesianot necessarily coconsciousness...
>
Jill wrote:
>Hmm, By getting insiders to cooperate with whomever they can cooperate
>with and then pass along messages? By having a 'public' journal that
Jill,
I don't know that I have insiders, amybe but I'm not willing to say that at
this
time. I dissociate and have amnesia = dissociative amnesia not DID.
I guess I wasn't clear... My question is what is the treatment of choice for
dissociative
amnesia? is hypnosis the only way? because what I have been doing hasn't
helped.
>everyone can write in and check on to see what's up? By having one who
>has a story to tell, tell it to a journal/t'pist/friend and then that
>can be passed on? Technically I _still_ have amnesia for lots of my
>childhood (even with integration) so I'm probably not the one to ask:)
>
>>>many of the others to express things there weren't words for. My
>>>t'pist used to talk about how powerful our art was (it all looked the
>>>same to me, confusing:) and it used to be a great point for others to
>>>start topics in t'py that needed to be dealt with.
>>>
uncanny:
>>I don't think I could do that. I was artistic when I was little but now if
>>I picked
>>up a pen to draw I would only doodle and it wouldn't mean anything.
>
Jill wroe:
>I don't know where people in our society got the idea that art,
>artistic and stuff that looks like external stuff is all the same and
>preferable *sigh* One of the most powerful pieces of art this system
>ever did was done by one of the four year olds (at the time) and is
>done in pastel. It is basically a rainbow that covers the entire page.
>I'm quite sure that from an 'official' pov it would be considered
>'primitive' or 'abstract' or whatever and not what you seem to mean by
>'artistic'. It made several people who saw it cry.
>
why do you think they cried?
>Rather than picking up a pen, if you want to 'do' art, try making a
>collage from magazine pictures or finger painting or doing abstract
>stuff with pastels. The point of art in this case is to find a way
>allow internal emotions to be shared externally without the use of
>words. When the kid inside did that rainbow I described I was in the
I think I'll try this. thanks :)
uncanny
>hosp. and in art t'py group. She did it and then hid inside. I was
>left to talk about it and what I said was 'I didn't do this and I have
>no idea what it means'. The art t'pist said 'well, that's ok but when
>I look at it I get some powerful emotions that seem to leap off the
>page.' Being the absolute space cadet that I was that day *grin* I
>just shrugged and blew it off. Later that day a staff person saw the
>picture laying on my desk and asked about it. He got teary eyed as he
>picked it up. I thought he was being a bit silly and told him 'I have
>no idea what it means. Someone else did it'. He said 'well, who ever
>did it is really telling _me_ a lot'. The next day my t'pist saw it
>and said 'wow! Jamie did a great job on this!!' (I was floored cause I
>didn't tell him who did it:) I asked how he knew it was her work and
>he said 'well, just feel the emotion coming off this page' Ok, so
>either everyone else in the universe who sees this piece of paper is
>instantly psychotic *grin* or there is _something_ powerful about that
>work. About two years after it was done I brought it to a group
>session and showed it to people. They also thought the emotions were
>'leaping' off the page when they looked at it and at least one person
>got tears in her eyes.
>
>As for me, I like it but I don't 'get' it *shrug* If I just saw that
>piece of art laying around I would probably think that a creative five
>year old did it. _That_ is how art works. :)
>
>_I_ can't draw a line, much less doing anything 'artistic'. Yet there
>are some inside who are _very_ good at it (and allegedly I would be
>good at it if I tried now that I'm integrated, or so I'm told:). Just
>giving your system permission to experiment with the idea that
>whatever happens doesn't even have to be 'art' can yield some really
>interesting things.
>
>Rainbow Colors (Jill)
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uncanny <anon-...@anon.twwells.com> wrote:
>this exchange was from aboput a month ago. I'm cleaning my outgoing mail.
>
>Jill wrote:
>>>>Yes and no. Depends on who you asked *grin* Really, that is very hard
>>>>to answer because we didn't know the concept of co-consciousness at
>>>>the time so it's hard to say in hindsight if what we had was co-con or
>>>>not. Some of us knew of others of us. I personally could hear a few of
>>>>the others inside at times. Of course at the time that was 'proof'
>>>>that I was crazy :(
>>>>
>uncanny:
>>>I guess what I am wondering/ asking is how can you break the walls of
>>>amnesianot necessarily coconsciousness...
>>
>Jill wrote:
>>Hmm, By getting insiders to cooperate with whomever they can cooperate
>>with and then pass along messages? By having a 'public' journal that
>
>Jill,
>I don't know that I have insiders, amybe but I'm not willing to say that at
>this
>time. I dissociate and have amnesia = dissociative amnesia not DID.
>I guess I wasn't clear... My question is what is the treatment of choice for
>dissociative
>amnesia? is hypnosis the only way? because what I have been doing hasn't
>helped.
You need to do what works. If what you are doing doesn't work then you
should try something else. Hypnosis may help, it may not. There is no
one treatment of choice for any sort of dissociation. A good t'pist
should be able to try several different things and make modifications
as they go to help in that particular case. I personally found
hypnosis to be the best way to heal, but that is just my unique take.
YMMV.
I think what confused me on your original is that you talk about
co-con. To me a person who is dealing with being co-con or not is
talking about insiders. There isn't anything to be co-con with if you
don't have insiders (as I understand the term).
I know this isn't all that helpful, other than to point out that there
are many different ways of healing and if you aren't satisfied with
your current approach you should definitely look into something else.
>>everyone can write in and check on to see what's up? By having one who
>>has a story to tell, tell it to a journal/t'pist/friend and then that
>>can be passed on? Technically I _still_ have amnesia for lots of my
>>childhood (even with integration) so I'm probably not the one to ask:)
>>
>>>>many of the others to express things there weren't words for. My
>>>>t'pist used to talk about how powerful our art was (it all looked the
>>>>same to me, confusing:) and it used to be a great point for others to
>>>>start topics in t'py that needed to be dealt with.
>>>>
>uncanny:
>>>I don't think I could do that. I was artistic when I was little but now if
>>>I picked
>>>up a pen to draw I would only doodle and it wouldn't mean anything.
>>
>Jill wroe:
>>I don't know where people in our society got the idea that art,
>>artistic and stuff that looks like external stuff is all the same and
>>preferable *sigh* One of the most powerful pieces of art this system
>>ever did was done by one of the four year olds (at the time) and is
>>done in pastel. It is basically a rainbow that covers the entire page.
>>I'm quite sure that from an 'official' pov it would be considered
>>'primitive' or 'abstract' or whatever and not what you seem to mean by
>>'artistic'. It made several people who saw it cry.
>>
>why do you think they cried?
They say it is very powerful and emotional.
Rainbow Colors (Jill)
>>Rather than picking up a pen, if you want to 'do' art, try making a
>>collage from magazine pictures or finger painting or doing abstract
>>stuff with pastels. The point of art in this case is to find a way
>>allow internal emotions to be shared externally without the use of
>>words. When the kid inside did that rainbow I described I was in the
>
>I think I'll try this. thanks :)
>uncanny