Waiting for a cab
slunky
"observed h*liday", so there won't be any buses even leaving for their
first runs until ten. We need to be at thrpy at eight.
Luckily, our SSDI got deposited yesterday, so we should have money for a
cab. (hopefully, as long as the ride doesn't cost more than twenty
dollars) So we are waiting for our cab to come which we asked to be here
at seven. That will give us plenty of time to get there. Probably too
much, but we would always rather be very early than late at all.
Been up since early early this morning. Couldn't sleep. Had really bad
nightmare. The kind that gets us so mixed up that we v*mit. Still
feeling a little queezy, so it's good we didn't have to walk to five
miles uphill to get there. (Our thrpst's office is right on the
foothills of the Rocky Mountains.)
We are going to go wait outside for the cab now, so we're there when it
comes and they don't have to call for us to come down.
--
-slunky
astri
ok
hope you get there ok
-- astri
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> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, slunky wrote:
>> Today, buses here are running on sunday schedule because of the
>> "observed h*liday", so there won't be any buses even leaving for
>> their first runs until ten. We need to be at thrpy at eight.
>>
>> Luckily, our SSDI got deposited yesterday, so we should have money
>> for a cab. (hopefully, as long as the ride doesn't cost more than
>> twenty dollars) So we are waiting for our cab to come which we asked
>> to be here at seven. That will give us plenty of time to get there.
>> Probably too much, but we would always rather be very early than late
>> at all.
>>
>> Been up since early early this morning. Couldn't sleep. Had really
>> bad nightmare. The kind that gets us so mixed up that we v*mit. Still
>> feeling a little queezy, so it's good we didn't have to walk to five
>> miles uphill to get there. (Our thrpst's office is right on the
>> foothills of the Rocky Mountains.)
>>
>> We are going to go wait outside for the cab now, so we're there when
>> it comes and they don't have to call for us to come down.
>
> ok
>
> hope you get there ok
We did. It was only a five minute ride from here by cab. We tipped the
driver four dollars. He was pleased at that. :) So very tired now.
Talked a lot. Got sick. One of the others talked lots too. Had
flashback. Hugged a stuffed bear. Cried lots.
T explained lots of things. The little that was talking to her told lots
of scary things. Some things we pretend didn't happen. Some things I
didn't know about too. She said she has a clearer picture now. She said
where we grew up has "pockets" of these people. She said the man used
mostly "traditional methods" of pr*gramming. She said we all were very
brave today. Me and the little who won't say their name for telling, and
the others for letting us.
--
-slunky
astri
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>
>
> We did. It was only a five minute ride from here by cab. We tipped
> the driver four dollars. He was pleased at that. :) So very tired
> now. Talked a lot. Got sick. One of the others talked lots too. Had
> flashback. Hugged a stuffed bear. Cried lots.
>
> T explained lots of things. The little that was talking to her told
> lots of scary things. Some things we pretend didn't happen. Some
> things I didn't know about too. She said she has a clearer picture
> now. She said where we grew up has "pockets" of these people. She
> said the man used mostly "traditional methods" of pr*gramming. She
> said we all were very brave today. Me and the little who won't say
> their name for telling, and the others for letting us.
wow
powerful session
slunky
> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, slunky wrote:
>> We did. It was only a five minute ride from here by cab. We tipped
>> the driver four dollars. He was pleased at that. :) So very tired
>> now. Talked a lot. Got sick. One of the others talked lots too. Had
>> flashback. Hugged a stuffed bear. Cried lots.
>>
>> T explained lots of things. The little that was talking to her told
>> lots of scary things. Some things we pretend didn't happen. Some
>> things I didn't know about too. She said she has a clearer picture
>> now. She said where we grew up has "pockets" of these people. She
>> said the man used mostly "traditional methods" of pr*gramming. She
>> said we all were very brave today. Me and the little who won't say
>> their name for telling, and the others for letting us.
>
> wow
>
> powerful session
Yes, very powerful. So much information. Very tired. T just called to
check on us, but we didn't hear the phone ring. We only know because it
did ring to say there was a voicemail. She said she was thinking about
us and wanted to tell us we all did a fabulous job today and very hard
work, and she wanted to make sure we got home ok. She also wanted to
remind us that she will be in the mountains this weekend so her phone
service will be spotty, but she'll check her messages and call back when
she can, and to try to use the safe places we made if we need to while
waiting for her to call back.
Oh, she just called back in the middle of this post because we left her
a message that we got her message. She said is good we are trying to
rest because it was a hard session. Lots of hard work, and she wanted to
tell us she cares about us. Is good to have a t who cares about us.
--
-slunky
astri
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>
>>
>> powerful session
>
> Yes, very powerful. So much information. Very tired. T just called to
> check on us, but we didn't hear the phone ring. We only know because
> it did ring to say there was a voicemail. She said she was thinking
> about us and wanted to tell us we all did a fabulous job today and
> very hard work, and she wanted to make sure we got home ok. She also
> wanted to remind us that she will be in the mountains this weekend so
> her phone service will be spotty, but she'll check her messages and
> call back when she can, and to try to use the safe places we made if
> we need to while waiting for her to call back.
>
> Oh, she just called back in the middle of this post because we left
> her a message that we got her message. She said is good we are trying
> to rest because it was a hard session. Lots of hard work, and she
> wanted to tell us she cares about us. Is good to have a t who cares
> about us.
she really keeps in touch!
slunky
> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, slunky wrote:
>> Yes, very powerful. So much information. Very tired. T just called to
>> check on us, but we didn't hear the phone ring. We only know because
>> it did ring to say there was a voicemail. She said she was thinking
>> about us and wanted to tell us we all did a fabulous job today and
>> very hard work, and she wanted to make sure we got home ok. She also
>> wanted to remind us that she will be in the mountains this weekend so
>> her phone service will be spotty, but she'll check her messages and
>> call back when she can, and to try to use the safe places we made if
>> we need to while waiting for her to call back.
>>
>> Oh, she just called back in the middle of this post because we left
>> her a message that we got her message. She said is good we are trying
>> to rest because it was a hard session. Lots of hard work, and she
>> wanted to tell us she cares about us. Is good to have a t who cares
>> about us.
>
> she really keeps in touch!
Yes, and we are really glad she does. She said she wants to be as
dedicated to helping as we are in getting better. She asked us in
session if we wanted to end twenty minutes early because we were really
feeling nausiated, but we told her we wanted to stay and how we want to
feel better, and she said she knows and she is impressed by when we told
her on the phone earlier this week we would just walk to thrpy if we
couldn't take a cab today. She also said she was only asking if we
wanted to end early because she doesn't want us to feel trapped there or
like we have to stay. She said it's ok for us to say it's too much and
stop for the day, and to never feel bad for doing that to take care of
ourselves.
--
-slunky
Juniper
slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
Yes. You all were very brave. I'm so proud of you and so glad you
could do that.
Juniper
Juniper
slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
Yes. You deserve a T who cares about you.
Juniper
Peppermint Patootie
slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
Good. She sounds really good.
Juniper
slunky
Just wish it didn't make us so tired or so sad or so mixed up.
--
-slunky
slunky
slunky
She is. She knows so much from other clients that she is good at
helping.
--
-slunky
jill
What always worked for us was to take the last (about) 10 minutes
to get grounded and talk about jello. That way we could leave the
session feeling at least somewhat focused on the present and someone
who could get us home was aware they needed to be in charge.
Rainbow Colors (Jill)
slunky
> In article <slrnh4t2a7...@evo.zero>,
> slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>>Yes, and we are really glad she does. She said she wants to be as
>>dedicated to helping as we are in getting better. She asked us in
>>session if we wanted to end twenty minutes early because we were really
>>feeling nausiated, but we told her we wanted to stay and how we want to
>>feel better, and she said she knows and she is impressed by when we told
>>her on the phone earlier this week we would just walk to thrpy if we
>>couldn't take a cab today. She also said she was only asking if we
>>wanted to end early because she doesn't want us to feel trapped there or
>>like we have to stay. She said it's ok for us to say it's too much and
>>stop for the day, and to never feel bad for doing that to take care of
>>ourselves.
>
> to get grounded and talk about jello. That way we could leave the
> session feeling at least somewhat focused on the present and someone
> who could get us home was aware they needed to be in charge.
We spent about the last ten talking about other things (don't remember
exactly what.) Her next client didn't make it so time ran over another
fifteen minutes while she put things away.
--
-slunky
Juniper
slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
> _/ Juniper <jun...@asarian-intl.org> wrote \_
> > In article <slrnh4sob2...@evo.zero>,
> > Yes. You deserve a T who cares about you.
>
> Really?
Yup.
Juniper
Juniper
> > could do that.
>
> Just wish it didn't make us so tired or so sad or so mixed up.
Yeah. Maybe that will ease up as you do it more and more. It would
make sense to me that it would.
Juniper
fuzzy
fuzzy
slunky
> In article <slrnh4tb23...@evo.zero>,
> slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>
>> _/ Juniper <jun...@asarian-intl.org> wrote \_
>> > In article <slrnh4sob2...@evo.zero>,
>> > Yes. You deserve a T who cares about you.
>>
>> Really?
>
> Yup.
Ok.
--
-slunky
slunky
> In article <slrnh4tb1a...@evo.zero>,
> slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>> _/ Juniper <jun...@asarian-intl.org> wrote \_
>> > Yes. You all were very brave. I'm so proud of you and so glad you
>> > could do that.
>>
>> Just wish it didn't make us so tired or so sad or so mixed up.
>
> Yeah. Maybe that will ease up as you do it more and more. It would
> make sense to me that it would.
Ok, hope so. Lots of people said the flashbacks would get easier, but
they haven't.
--
-slunky
slunky
> slunky wrote:
>> Yes, very powerful. So much information. Very tired. T just called to
>> check on us, but we didn't hear the phone ring. We only know because it
>> did ring to say there was a voicemail. She said she was thinking about
>> us and wanted to tell us we all did a fabulous job today and very hard
>> work, and she wanted to make sure we got home ok. She also wanted to
>> remind us that she will be in the mountains this weekend so her phone
>> service will be spotty, but she'll check her messages and call back when
>> she can, and to try to use the safe places we made if we need to while
>> waiting for her to call back.
>>
>> Oh, she just called back in the middle of this post because we left her
>> a message that we got her message. She said is good we are trying to
>> rest because it was a hard session. Lots of hard work, and she wanted to
>> tell us she cares about us. Is good to have a t who cares about us.
>
> we are really impressed with your t
:)
--
-slunky
EB
> _/ Juniper <juni...@asarian-intl.org> wrote \_
>
> > In article <slrnh4tb1a.19b.slu...@evo.zero>,
> > slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
> >> _/ Juniper <juni...@asarian-intl.org> wrote \_
> >> > Yes. You all were very brave. I'm so proud of you and so glad you
> >> > could do that.
>
> >> Just wish it didn't make us so tired or so sad or so mixed up.
>
> > Yeah. Maybe that will ease up as you do it more and more. It would
> > make sense to me that it would.
>
> Ok, hope so. Lots of people said the flashbacks would get easier, but
> they haven't.
>
> --
> -slunky
well, yeah, they do get better. but not at first. cuz right now the
alters need to get it out and talk and that takes big toll. they don't
get better, in my experience, until some of the alters talk and feel
the feelings of them.
slunky
> On Jul 4, 6:20?am, slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>> Ok, hope so. Lots of people said the flashbacks would get easier, but
>> they haven't.
>
> alters need to get it out and talk and that takes big toll. they don't
> get better, in my experience, until some of the alters talk and feel
> the feelings of them.
Agency thrpst said if we just coped now we would get used to them.
--
-slunky
Baba Yaga
Well, that just shows she doesn't understand them.
Surely it's obvious that flashing back is re-experiencing, not mere
pallid 'remembering', and therefore that one doesn't get used it any
more than one 'got used to' the original experience?
Baba Yaga
who today rediscovered the power of smell to send one back the
years...
--
Without our shadow aspects we'd be bland, dull, incomplete.
- Juniper
Juniper
slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
I think we have enough information now to say that she didn't know what
she was talking about.
Juniper
--
Hearts cannot be bound to orthodoxy.
slunky
>
> Well, that just shows she doesn't understand them.
> Surely it's obvious that flashing back is re-experiencing, not mere
> pallid 'remembering', and therefore that one doesn't get used it any
> more than one 'got used to' the original experience?
We actually believe agency thrpst would suggest we just get used to it
and cope if it was happening now.
> Baba Yaga
> who today rediscovered the power of smell to send one back the
> years...
--
-slunky
slunky
Ok. Guess we can stop thinking about what she says since she severed
things monday. Only tie now is to the court and that she has our palm
pilot in her desk.
--
-slunky
astri
> Baba Yaga
> who today rediscovered the power of smell to send one back the
> years...
hope was a pleasant sending?
astri
can you get the palm pilot back?
slunky
>> Ok. Guess we can stop thinking about what she says since she severed
>> things monday. Only tie now is to the court and that she has our palm
>> pilot in her desk.
>
> can you get the palm pilot back?
Probably. Would mean calling her.
--
-slunky
Emerging Butterfly
maybe you can call her in current t.'s presence so it's not so
triggering.
slunky
> triggering.
Agency thrpst never answers during that time.
--
-slunky
EBs
> _/ Emerging Butterfly <emerging.butter...@hotmail.com> wrote \_
>
> > On Jul 9, 7:39?am, slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
> >> Probably. Would mean calling her.
>
> > maybe you can call her in current t.'s presence so it's not so
> > triggering.
>
> Agency thrpst never answers during that time.
>
> --
> -slunky
Leave a message?
slunky
> On Jul 9, 1:07?pm, slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>> _/ Emerging Butterfly <emerging.butter...@hotmail.com> wrote \_
>> > triggering.
>>
>> Agency thrpst never answers during that time.
>
Really don't want to.
--
-slunky
EBs
> _/ EBs <creativel...@live.com> wrote \_
Okay. Maybe the palm pilot can wait.
slunky
>>
>> Really don't want to.
>
Ok. She has had it in her drawer over a year.
--
-slunky
gathring
maybe you could have current t send a letter to agency t with a copy of
a signed release saying you want all notes and personal property
turned over to current t. then you don't have to deal with agency t at all.
--
But a reality check here: this is not some great moral failing. It's
part of learning to be securely human in a confusing world. - Baba Yaga
astri
why has she kept it?
slunky
> EBs wrote:
>> Okay. Maybe the palm pilot can wait.
>
> maybe you could have current t send a letter to agency t with a copy of
> a signed release saying you want all notes and personal property
> turned over to current t. then you don't have to deal with agency t at all.
That would probably work. Since agency thrpst has cancelled all future
appointment already, there isn't anything holding us back.
--
-slunky
slunky
>>
>> Ok. She has had it in her drawer over a year.
>
> why has she kept it?
Last year a couple weeks before we started DBT, we asked her if she'd
record something for us so we didn't call her or her voicemail so much.
She said she would, so we brought it to her to use to record. She never
did. She kept saying she would, but she never did.
--
-slunky
astri
when is your next commitment hearing?
don't do anything playing with the terms of the commitment without
consulting with your advocate/attorney and your current t.
astri
blah
slunky
>> That would probably work. Since agency thrpst has cancelled all
>> future appointment already, there isn't anything holding us back.
>
> when is your next commitment hearing?
Sometime in October. We will get a letter.
> don't do anything playing with the terms of the commitment without
> consulting with your advocate/attorney and your current t.
Yes, we would call the Dept of Psychiatry because they run civil
commitment court and find out first.
--
-slunky
slunky
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2009, slunky wrote:
>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>
>> Last year a couple weeks before we started DBT, we asked her if she'd
>> record something for us so we didn't call her or her voicemail so
>> much. She said she would, so we brought it to her to use to record.
>> She never did. She kept saying she would, but she never did.
>
> blah
She kept making excuses about it. Finally we just stopped asking.
--
-slunky
astri
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2009, slunky wrote:
>>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>>> why has she kept it?
>>>
>>> Last year a couple weeks before we started DBT, we asked her if
>>> she'd record something for us so we didn't call her or her
>>> voicemail so much. She said she would, so we brought it to her to
>>> use to record. She never did. She kept saying she would, but she
>>> never did.
>>
>> blah
>
> She kept making excuses about it. Finally we just stopped asking.
too bad you didn't get your palm pilot back then
slunky
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2009, slunky wrote:
>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2009, slunky wrote:
>>>> Last year a couple weeks before we started DBT, we asked her if
>>>> she'd record something for us so we didn't call her or her
>>>> voicemail so much. She said she would, so we brought it to her to
>>>> use to record. She never did. She kept saying she would, but she
>>>> never did.
>>>
>>> blah
>>
>> She kept making excuses about it. Finally we just stopped asking.
>
> too bad you didn't get your palm pilot back then
Yeah, but she said she would still record it.
--
-slunky
astri
:P
slunky
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2009, slunky wrote:
>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>
>> Yeah, but she said she would still record it.
>
> :P
Last time, she brought it up that it was in her desk, and she had just
forgotten about it, but we were inpatient at the time.
--
-slunky
fuzzy
> EBs wrote:
>> On Jul 9, 3:14 pm, slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>>> _/ EBs <creativel...@live.com> wrote \_
>>>
>>>> On Jul 9, 1:07?pm, slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>>>>> _/ Emerging Butterfly <emerging.butter...@hotmail.com> wrote \_
>>>>>> maybe you can call her in current t.'s presence so it's not so
>>>>>> triggering.
>>>>> Agency thrpst never answers during that time.
>>>> Leave a message?
>>> Really don't want to.
>>>
>>> --
>>> -slunky
>>
>> Okay. Maybe the palm pilot can wait.
>
> maybe you could have current t send a letter to agency t with a copy of
> a signed release saying you want all notes and personal property turned
> over to current t. then you don't have to deal with agency t at all.
>
hi gathring we always happy to see you post
fuzzy
fuzzy
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2009, slunky wrote:
>>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2009, slunky wrote:
>>>>> Last year a couple weeks before we started DBT, we asked her if
>>>>> she'd record something for us so we didn't call her or her
>>>>> voicemail so much. She said she would, so we brought it to her to
>>>>> use to record. She never did. She kept saying she would, but she
>>>>> never did.
>>>> blah
>>> She kept making excuses about it. Finally we just stopped asking.
>> too bad you didn't get your palm pilot back then
>
> Yeah, but she said she would still record it.
>
gathring
hi
slunky
> slunky wrote:
>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>
>> Yeah, but she said she would still record it.
>
> she wasn't very good at doing what she said
We talked about the agency some today in thrpy. She said the agency
really hammers new thrpsts there with lots of supervision to mold them
to policy.
--
-slunky
Emerging Butterfly
> _/ fuzzy <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote \_
yup. that happens at the local mh centers too. young people come in
eager to help and are pummeled with the policy and with "what's
proven" and "what really works" -- thinking outside the box is *not*
encouraged!
slunky
>> _/ fuzzy <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote \_
>>
>> We talked about the agency some today in thrpy. She said the agency
>> really hammers new thrpsts there with lots of supervision to mold them
>> to policy.
>
> eager to help and are pummeled with the policy and with "what's
> proven" and "what really works" -- thinking outside the box is *not*
> encouraged!
Our t said we might have done some good to see her for so long though,
and let her know what really works. She said someday maybe agency t will
go private practice and have been inspired by us to do tr*uma work. We
can only hope. :)
--
-slunky
Emerging Butterfly
> _/ Emerging Butterfly <emerging.butter...@hotmail.com> wrote \_
Yes. :)
slunky
> On Jul 10, 3:53?pm, slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>> _/ Emerging Butterfly <emerging.butter...@hotmail.com> wrote \_
>> > eager to help and are pummeled with the policy and with "what's
>> > proven" and "what really works" -- thinking outside the box is *not*
>> > encouraged!
>>
>> Our t said we might have done some good to see her for so long though,
>> and let her know what really works. She said someday maybe agency t will
>> go private practice and have been inspired by us to do tr*uma work. We
>> can only hope. :)
>
We know agency thrpst had at least a little interest in us because she
kept notes for the agency on her computer, but would sometimes jot
something down in a journal during session, and would refer to the
journal about things we told her on the phone, so she was taking extra
notes.
--
-slunky
jill
Emerging Butterfly <emerging....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 10, 2:13=A0pm, slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>> _/ fuzzy <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote \_
>>
>> > slunky wrote:
>> >> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>> >>> too bad you didn't get your palm pilot back then
>>
>> >> Yeah, but she said she would still record it.
>>
>> > she wasn't very good at doing what she said
>>
>> We talked about the agency some today in thrpy. She said the agency
>> really hammers new thrpsts there with lots of supervision to mold them
>> to policy.
>>
>> --
>
>yup. that happens at the local mh centers too. young people come in
>eager to help and are pummeled with the policy and with "what's
>proven" and "what really works" -- thinking outside the box is *not*
>encouraged!
Probly a good thing I moved then *grin* I'm sure I would have been
fired or considered 'weird' or whatever. I know I wasn't tolerating
all the propaganda they were shoving at me when I worked at the
agency in IL. I tended to argue 'but with this client x works better'
and my supervisor would try to tell me that I was wrong and I'd
tune her out cause I don't tolerate people arguing with my reality
*grin*
OTOH, it is true that people come out of college with weird ideas on
what is going to cure schizophrenia or bipolar and they get all hung
up on how terrible it is that someone has to take meds. _That_ doesn't
help either!
Rainbow Colors (Jill)
jill
You know what would _really_ help here, a few years from now contact
her and let her know how great you are doing as you heal and point out
to her what worked. That will help her learn a lot.
Rainbow Colors (Jill)
slunky
> In article <slrnh5fiva...@evo.zero>,
> slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>>We know agency thrpst had at least a little interest in us because she
>>kept notes for the agency on her computer, but would sometimes jot
>>something down in a journal during session, and would refer to the
>>journal about things we told her on the phone, so she was taking extra
>>notes.
>
> her and let her know how great you are doing as you heal and point out
> to her what worked. That will help her learn a lot.
Ok, (she won't be mad?)
--
-slunky
astri
sigh
no wonder your agency t got worse over time
fuzzy
> fuzzy wrote:
>> gathring wrote:
>>> EBs wrote:
>>>> On Jul 9, 3:14 pm, slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>>>>> _/ EBs <creativel...@live.com> wrote \_
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 9, 1:07?pm, slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> _/ Emerging Butterfly <emerging.butter...@hotmail.com> wrote \_
>>>>>>>> maybe you can call her in current t.'s presence so it's not so
>>>>>>>> triggering.
>>>>>>> Agency thrpst never answers during that time.
>>>>>> Leave a message?
>>>>> Really don't want to.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> -slunky
>>>>
>>>> Okay. Maybe the palm pilot can wait.
>>>
>>> maybe you could have current t send a letter to agency t with a copy
>>> of a signed release saying you want all notes and personal property
>>> turned over to current t. then you don't have to deal with agency t
>>> at all.
>>>
>> oooooo, you smart
>>
>> hi gathring we always happy to see you post
>
> hi
>
slunky
>>
>> We talked about the agency some today in thrpy. She said the agency
>> really hammers new thrpsts there with lots of supervision to mold
>> them to policy.
>
> sigh
>
> no wonder your agency t got worse over time
Yeah. :( T was trying to explain to us about mental health c*lts today.
She wasn't saying they are one, but she was relating it to that.
--
-slunky
Emerging Butterfly
> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>
> > On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, slunky wrote:
> >>> she wasn't very good at doing what she said
>
> >> We talked about the agency some today in thrpy. She said the agency
> >> really hammers new thrpsts there with lots of supervision to mold
> >> them to policy.
>
> > sigh
>
> > no wonder your agency t got worse over time
>
> Yeah. :( T was trying to explain to us about mental health c*lts today.
> She wasn't saying they are one, but she was relating it to that.
>
> --
> -slunky
that's what triggered us so badly about dbt -- the pounding of the
same terms and stuff until they lost practical meaning felt c*ltish to
us. and the pressure to conform and use that model, and the insistence
it alone will work, the insistence on ignoring all else. and the
emphasis on p*nishment for not conforming. hugely hugely triggering.
slunky
>> _/ astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote \_
>>
>> Yeah. :( T was trying to explain to us about mental health c*lts today.
>> She wasn't saying they are one, but she was relating it to that.
>
> same terms and stuff until they lost practical meaning felt c*ltish to
> us. and the pressure to conform and use that model, and the insistence
> it alone will work, the insistence on ignoring all else. and the
> emphasis on p*nishment for not conforming. hugely hugely triggering.
Yes!
--
-slunky
astri
> By the time we stopped going, she had gone off the deep end about
> acceptance.
sounds like she got some sort of religion :P
astri
> She said it was ok for her to m*nipulate because it was in our best
> interest.
oh, yuck
yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck
today wanted t to tell us what to do
she wouldn't
said being controlled by others is what caused our problems
(or something on that order)
slunky
>
>> By the time we stopped going, she had gone off the deep end about
>> acceptance.
>
> sounds like she got some sort of religion :P
Hmmm..... We do know she married a m*rmon, but we'll leave it at that.
--
-slunky
slunky
>
>> She said it was ok for her to m*nipulate because it was in our best
>> interest.
>
> oh, yuck
> yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck
>
> today wanted t to tell us what to do
> she wouldn't
> said being controlled by others is what caused our problems
> (or something on that order)
Agency thrpst said she knew sometimes we wanted her to tell us what to
do.
--
-slunky
gathring
no
astri
> fuzzy wrote:
>> gathring wrote:
>>>
>>> hi
>>>
>> life getting any easier?
>
> no
:(
jill
Not if she is open minded and learning. If she isn't... by then you
won't care and she won't have any power over you.
Rainbow Colors (Jill)
slunky
> In article <slrnh5g1co...@evo.zero>,
> slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>>_/ jill <ji...@tuells.org> wrote \_
>>> her and let her know how great you are doing as you heal and point out
>>> to her what worked. That will help her learn a lot.
>>
>>Ok, (she won't be mad?)
>
> won't care and she won't have any power over you.
Ok.
--
-slunky
fuzzy
maybe would help to talk about it? post jello?
you isolating?
gathring
dunno, can't
> you isolating?
yeah
astri
> fuzzy wrote:
>> gathring wrote:
>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> life getting any easier?
>>>
>>> no
>>>
>> :(
>>
>> maybe would help to talk about it? post jello?
>
> dunno, can't
>
>> you isolating?
>
> yeah
hi
fuzzy
> X-No-Archive: yes
>
> _/ Hannah <hu47121...@usenet.kitty.sub.org> wrote \_
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> slunky <slu...@cryptobug.com> wrote:
>>> We talked about the agency some today in thrpy. She said the agency
>>> really hammers new thrpsts there with lots of supervision to mold them
>>> to policy.
>> do something, one doesn't promise it in the first place.
>
> She said it was ok for her to m*nipulate because it was in our best
> interest.
>
fuzzy
> fuzzy wrote:
>> gathring wrote:
>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi gathring we always happy to see you post
>>>>>
>>>>> hi
>>>>>
>>>> life getting any easier?
>>>
>>> no
>>>
>> :(
>>
>> maybe would help to talk about it? post jello?
>
> dunno, can't
>
regrets.
do you mind if we keep talking to you and asking questions?
>> you isolating?
>
> yeah
<sigh>
anything we can do to help?
gathring
> On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, gathring wrote:
>> fuzzy wrote:
>>> gathring wrote:
>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> life getting any easier?
>>>>
>>>> no
>>>>
>>> :(
>>>
>>> maybe would help to talk about it? post jello?
>>
>> dunno, can't
>>
>>> you isolating?
>>
>> yeah
>
> hi
hi
gathring
> gathring wrote:
>> fuzzy wrote:
>>> gathring wrote:
>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hi gathring we always happy to see you post
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>
>>>>> life getting any easier?
>>>>
>>>> no
>>>>
>>> :(
>>>
>>> maybe would help to talk about it? post jello?
>>
>> dunno, can't
>>
> regrets.
Thanks
> do you mind if we keep talking to you and asking questions?
no
>>> you isolating?
>>
>> yeah
>
> <sigh>
>
> anything we can do to help?
dunno
Emerging Butterfly
here and listening. sorry it's hard right now.
astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, gathring wrote:
>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> life getting any easier?
>>>>>
>>>>> no
>>>>>
>>>> :(
>>>>
>>>> maybe would help to talk about it? post jello?
>>>
>>> dunno, can't
>>>
>>>> you isolating?
>>>
>>> yeah
>>
>> hi
>
> hi
here
gathring
> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, gathring wrote:
>> astri wrote:
>>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, gathring wrote:
>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> life getting any easier?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no
>>>>>>
>>>>> :(
>>>>>
>>>>> maybe would help to talk about it? post jello?
>>>>
>>>> dunno, can't
>>>>
>>>>> you isolating?
>>>>
>>>> yeah
>>>
>>> hi
>>
>> hi
>
> here
k
astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, gathring wrote:
>>> astri wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, gathring wrote:
>>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> life getting any easier?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> maybe would help to talk about it? post jello?
>>>>>
>>>>> dunno, can't
>>>>>
>>>>>> you isolating?
>>>>>
>>>>> yeah
>>>>
>>>> hi
>>>
>>> hi
>>
>> here
>
> k
will wait
gathring
> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, gathring wrote:
>> astri wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, gathring wrote:
>>>> astri wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, gathring wrote:
>>>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> life getting any easier?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> maybe would help to talk about it? post jello?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dunno, can't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you isolating?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yeah
>>>>>
>>>>> hi
>>>>
>>>> hi
>>>
>>> here
>>
>> k
>
> will wait
astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, gathring wrote:
>>> astri wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, gathring wrote:
>>>>> astri wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, gathring wrote:
>>>>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>>>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>>>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> life getting any easier?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> maybe would help to talk about it? post jello?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dunno, can't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you isolating?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yeah
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi
>>>>>
>>>>> hi
>>>>
>>>> here
>>>
>>> k
>>
>> will wait
> thanks
yw
Emerging Butterfly
i will, too.
can you give maybe one word?
fuzzy
> fuzzy wrote:
>> gathring wrote:
>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hi gathring we always happy to see you post
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> life getting any easier?
>>>>>
>>>>> no
>>>>>
>>>> :(
>>>>
>>>> maybe would help to talk about it? post jello?
>>>
>>> dunno, can't
>>>
>> regrets.
>
> Thanks
yw
>
>> do you mind if we keep talking to you and asking questions?
>
> no
>
k. hmm...
you getting any you time?
drumming? painting? photography?
>>>> you isolating?
>>>
>>> yeah
>>
>> <sigh>
>>
>> anything we can do to help?
>
> dunno
k
maybe we'll make you a hidey hole with blankies. can crawl in and camp
out in there
fuzzy
> astri wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, gathring wrote:
>>> astri wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, gathring wrote:
>>>>> astri wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, gathring wrote:
>>>>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>>>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>>>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> life getting any easier?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> maybe would help to talk about it? post jello?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dunno, can't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you isolating?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yeah
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi
>>>>>
>>>>> hi
>>>>
>>>> here
>>>
>>> k
>>
>> will wait
> thanks
>
<settles in to wait>
gathring
> gathring wrote:
>> fuzzy wrote:
>>> gathring wrote:
>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>>>>> gathring wrote:
>>>>>>>> fuzzy wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hi gathring we always happy to see you post
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> life getting any easier?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no
>>>>>>
>>>>> :(
>>>>>
>>>>> maybe would help to talk about it? post jello?
>>>>
>>>> dunno, can't
>>>>
>>> regrets.
>>
>> Thanks
>
> yw
>>
>>> do you mind if we keep talking to you and asking questions?
>>
>> no
>>
> k. hmm...
>
> you getting any you time?
getting time
> drumming? painting? photography?
can't
>>>>> you isolating?
>>>>
>>>> yeah
>>>
>>> <sigh>
>>>
>>> anything we can do to help?
>>
>> dunno
>
> k
>
> maybe we'll make you a hidey hole with blankies. can crawl in and camp
> out in there
k
gathring
pistachios please
fuzzy
k
>> drumming? painting? photography?
>
> can't
>
:(
regrets
fuzzy
<hands you some pistachios>
gathring
is hard.