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Dec 11, 2009, 12:11:40 AM12/11/09
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Hi everyone. How has everyone been? We ok. evl still try to make me bad
person and say he waiting to come home. We have bad cold and stay home
from work today. we see t tomorrow. how everyone been?

confuzzled

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Dec 11, 2009, 12:18:10 AM12/11/09
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hi. we been wondering about you lots. thought about emailing you but we
never emailed you and dont wanna intrued

regrets you got a cold. you not bad person. promise. wish evl would go way

seems like everybody here been having a hard time :(

we just made a post. we lots tired. cant think. we ok but maybe...
well... we fine.

we saw new t today. we see pdoc t tomorrow

cant think. we go bed now. wish we could stay up and talk. thinkwe
gotta go way. go hide in blankies. something. dunno

we like you

astri

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Dec 11, 2009, 12:31:14 AM12/11/09
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hi

is good see you here
not got lots words

-- astri

======================
to email send to astri
======================
at volcano dot org
======================

cometz

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Dec 11, 2009, 1:24:41 AM12/11/09
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hi. glad to see you here. wondering where you were. sorry about evl.
he needs you to give in. is part of the whole p*rp thing. make you
feel wrong and then they take advantage. you owe him nothing. never
again.

sorry about cold. just finishing one this week. all stuffy in the
nose. is freezing cold here. windy too. going to bed soon. flannel
sheets and lotsa blankets. warm.

betsy

Shiyiya

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Dec 11, 2009, 1:43:01 AM12/11/09
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we okay mostly. had iffy day yesterday but better now. evl wrong, you
good person. strong. :) hope you feel better soon from cold.

Puddles

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Dec 11, 2009, 10:02:14 PM12/11/09
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You can email. I wish you would really. It helps me to come back to asd.
I am try to be here now though. I think i need to be. I figured
everyone may be having hard time. is hard time of year... f*mily and
stuff. sigh. I am reply to posts this time round. I want to be here.

Puddles

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Dec 11, 2009, 10:02:52 PM12/11/09
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i have lots of words, they just don't come out. giggles....

jill

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Dec 11, 2009, 10:06:57 PM12/11/09
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In article <7oe2kcF...@mid.individual.net>,

Puddles <allthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hi everyone. How has everyone been? We ok. evl still try to make me bad

Stay strong. You are NOT NOT NOT a bad person!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am busy and doing stuff and getting organized for this time of year
and all that.

>person and say he waiting to come home. We have bad cold and stay home
>from work today. we see t tomorrow. how everyone been?

I have begun the process for getting kidlette more help through
school. What I want is some sort of counseling type stuff. I assume I
won't get that through the public school (:P~~) and will go elsewhere
for it, but at least if people at school will listen to me and agree
something needs to be done we can get moving on issues that are
getting worse this year but have been happening for years. Lots of
little things that all add up. Being a mom is more frustrating than
being a t'pist. My hands are tied and other people don't LISTEN when I
talk cause I am 'just mom' :P~~

Rainbow Colors (Jill)
--
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The colors blend, the edges soften. Swirling and mixing
we are becoming white light.
ji...@tuells.org

Puddles

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Dec 11, 2009, 10:09:12 PM12/11/09
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yes, am learning about lots of blankets, we have to keep the heat down
this winter because lower finances. Is lots of snuggles in big fluff in
our house and make sure all lights are out and windows winterized.

evl is evl. I think you are right, this is part of his evilness. You are
right he has to make it so that 'i give in' so i will be wrong. but he
still finds ways to ask to come back but only under my faults.

kids miss him, and i do to sometimes but i keep trying to remember. I
try not to erase all the bad stuff. littles want him back.

t is helping. t helps us remember what the older parts want and why we
are doing this. im glad for t and asd cause this is lonely hard to do.

How has your life been betsy?

Puddles

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Dec 11, 2009, 10:09:40 PM12/11/09
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how come iffy day?

Puddles

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Dec 11, 2009, 11:03:07 PM12/11/09
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jill wrote:
> In article <7oe2kcF...@mid.individual.net>,
> Puddles <allthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone. How has everyone been? We ok. evl still try to make me bad
>
> Stay strong. You are NOT NOT NOT a bad person!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I am busy and doing stuff and getting organized for this time of year
> and all that.
>
>> person and say he waiting to come home. We have bad cold and stay home
>>from work today. we see t tomorrow. how everyone been?
>
> I have begun the process for getting kidlette more help through
> school. What I want is some sort of counseling type stuff. I assume I
> won't get that through the public school (:P~~) and will go elsewhere
> for it, but at least if people at school will listen to me and agree
> something needs to be done we can get moving on issues that are
> getting worse this year but have been happening for years. Lots of
> little things that all add up. Being a mom is more frustrating than
> being a t'pist. My hands are tied and other people don't LISTEN when I
> talk cause I am 'just mom' :P~~
>
> Rainbow Colors (Jill)

:) i know what exactly what you are talking about. Despite my degree,
when fighting for thing two to get special ed services, I felt like I
was speaking to *my* teachers as a student... being discarded and such.
I had to threaten with lawyers and utilization of state statue's that
the nit wits didn't even know existed.

I finally won the war, and he has been in services for a little over a
year, but now they are trying to tell me he doesn't need individual
attention anymore because he is doing much better. :P~~~~~~ The reason
he is doing better *is* because he is getting the service.

I feel for you, they made me cry a few times. Its *very* frustrating!

confuzzled

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Dec 11, 2009, 11:26:03 PM12/11/09
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cometz wrote:

> sorry about cold. just finishing one this week. all stuffy in the
> nose. is freezing cold here. windy too. going to bed soon. flannel
> sheets and lotsa blankets. warm.
>
> betsy

hi betsy

(and kat and bb and sarah and... oh we probably forgetting people :/)

hope your cold is better

Shiyiya

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Dec 12, 2009, 1:03:19 AM12/12/09
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....now I have to try and remember what day. irritating flaky memory. oh
yeah. made food even though is hard hard to get self up and cook, big
batch pasta salad to eat on for days, and had bad bad p*in in
abdomenish. had to lie down on the kitchen floor for a while before
could finish dishes. wasn't nice. and then fiance was an ass.

astri

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Dec 12, 2009, 2:13:00 AM12/12/09
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Puddles wrote:

> You can email. I wish you would really. It helps me to come back to
> asd. I am try to be here now though. I think i need to be. I figured
> everyone may be having hard time. is hard time of year... f*mily and
> stuff. sigh. I am reply to posts this time round. I want to be here.

yay

astri

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Dec 12, 2009, 2:13:24 AM12/12/09
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Puddles wrote:
> astri wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Puddles wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone. How has everyone been? We ok. evl still try to make me
>>> bad person and say he waiting to come home. We have bad cold and
>>> stay home from work today. we see t tomorrow. how everyone been?
>>
>> hi
>>
>> is good see you here
>> not got lots words
>
> i have lots of words, they just don't come out. giggles....

:P

astri

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Dec 12, 2009, 2:14:30 AM12/12/09
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, jill wrote:

> I have begun the process for getting kidlette more help through
> school. What I want is some sort of counseling type stuff. I assume I
> won't get that through the public school (:P~~) and will go elsewhere
> for it, but at least if people at school will listen to me and agree
> something needs to be done we can get moving on issues that are
> getting worse this year but have been happening for years. Lots of
> little things that all add up. Being a mom is more frustrating than
> being a t'pist. My hands are tied and other people don't LISTEN when
> I talk cause I am 'just mom' :P~~

:(

astri

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Dec 12, 2009, 2:15:43 AM12/12/09
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Puddles wrote:

> yes, am learning about lots of blankets, we have to keep the heat
> down this winter because lower finances. Is lots of snuggles in big
> fluff in our house and make sure all lights are out and windows
> winterized.
>
> evl is evl. I think you are right, this is part of his evilness. You
> are right he has to make it so that 'i give in' so i will be wrong.
> but he still finds ways to ask to come back but only under my faults.
>
> kids miss him, and i do to sometimes but i keep trying to remember. I
> try not to erase all the bad stuff. littles want him back.
>
> t is helping. t helps us remember what the older parts want and why
> we are doing this. im glad for t and asd cause this is lonely hard to
> do.

glad you make evl stay 'way

jill

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Dec 12, 2009, 6:56:59 PM12/12/09
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In article <7ogivsF...@mid.individual.net>,

I already went the route of threatening a lawyer. One of my professors
in grad school (spec ed) is a lawyer for denver. He and I chatted a
few times about kidlette when she was 3. It was truly amazing how fast
I got what she needed after he sent a simple little email *wicked
grin*

>I finally won the war, and he has been in services for a little over a
>year, but now they are trying to tell me he doesn't need individual
>attention anymore because he is doing much better. :P~~~~~~ The reason
>he is doing better *is* because he is getting the service.

While I agree with what you are saying, be careful you aren't keeping
him in too restrictive of an environment for too long. At his age the
faster you can move him into less restriction the faster he will learn
to adapt to the external world. Kids who are kept in too much
supervision (like 1 on 1) for too long become quite dependent and need
that for longer than kids who are taught to handle things in small
groups. Maybe consider for _next_ school year having him move into a
small group situation?

>I feel for you, they made me cry a few times. Its *very* frustrating!

Well, I'm pretty sure I won't cry. I'll just be obnoxious. *grin* I
know so much how to work the system and play the game I'll end up
getting all sorts of things cause they will just want me to stop :)

Really all I want is for her to have someone to check in to every few
days, just a few minutes at a time. They agree this is a good idea but
claim they are 'too busy' to provide this. I am attempting to figure
out how to inconvenience them enough that giving her this small thing
will be the easier of two tasks. Like, if I have the outside t'pist
come to school and need a private office to talk to kidlette every
single day in the middle of some big project and they HAVE TO provide
what is needed and having one of them talk to her at their convenience
will make their life easier :P~~ I hate playing the public school game
but in every other way this school is ideal. If only it were a private
school... *sigh* It really isn't the school's fault. It's the district
:P

My ace is to remind them that if they kick her out of this school (it
is a choice school not a neighborhood school) her 'needs' will
increase significantly and our neighborhood school might not be able
to meet what she will legally need without spending a whole lot more
money. *innocent look* In a traditional school she is going to need
speech, counseling, social skills group, possibly a few other things
and they will have set her up for it by telling me that this school
can't provide for her. _They_ are the ones who will end up documenting
the need!!! Our neighborhood school is tiny with only about 60 kids
and part time spec ed at best. At one point they were bussing all the
spec ed kids down to the flat parts to save money on services...

cometz

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Dec 12, 2009, 7:51:30 PM12/12/09
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is not good. depression deeply bad. is not chemical kind. is bad
brains self kind. hate it. trying to remember that depression is not
who we are. but so connected not easy.

sorry. dislike being a drag all the time. can't get past it.

betsy

cometz

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Dec 12, 2009, 7:57:41 PM12/12/09
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On Dec 11, 11:26 pm, confuzzled <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com>
wrote:

hi.

cold is gone but for that kind of still having leftover gunk in the
head. but mostly we are good for health.

is ok to forget ppl. we can't keep track of others others. feel
guilty, especially when we see astri remembers everyone and about them
too. think our brain is kinda dull that way. even in rl can't do it.
sigh.

sorry. everything is a complain right now. just how it feels all over
inside.

how are you? we like thinking of you snowshoeing and stuff.

betsy

confuzzled

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Dec 13, 2009, 1:01:09 AM12/13/09
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we tried to email you but it came back as no good :/

confuzzled

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Dec 13, 2009, 1:02:02 AM12/13/09
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jill wrote:
> In article <7oe2kcF...@mid.individual.net>,
> Puddles <allthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:

<...>

>> person and say he waiting to come home. We have bad cold and stay home
>>from work today. we see t tomorrow. how everyone been?
>
> I have begun the process for getting kidlette more help through
> school. What I want is some sort of counseling type stuff. I assume I
> won't get that through the public school (:P~~) and will go elsewhere
> for it, but at least if people at school will listen to me and agree
> something needs to be done we can get moving on issues that are
> getting worse this year but have been happening for years. Lots of
> little things that all add up. Being a mom is more frustrating than
> being a t'pist. My hands are tied and other people don't LISTEN when I
> talk cause I am 'just mom' :P~~
>

<sigh>

that story gets repeated over and over and over

hope it doesnt get too frustrating for you

jill

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Dec 13, 2009, 6:51:24 PM12/13/09
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In article <7ojeasF...@mid.individual.net>,

All that really matters is that kidlette gets what she needs and is in
a school program that is beneficial to her. If necessary I will home
school her and find other ways to get other needs met. I know public
school law, which is a strong empowerment :)

Frustration I can handle. I'm used to it :P~~

wolfie of confuzzled

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Dec 13, 2009, 11:12:05 PM12/13/09
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cometz wrote:
> On Dec 11, 11:26 pm, confuzzled <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> cometz wrote:
>>> sorry about cold. just finishing one this week. all stuffy in the
>>> nose. is freezing cold here. windy too. going to bed soon. flannel
>>> sheets and lotsa blankets. warm.
>>> betsy
>> hi betsy
>>
>> (and kat and bb and sarah and... oh we probably forgetting people :/)
>>
>> hope your cold is better
>
> hi.
>
> cold is gone but for that kind of still having leftover gunk in the
> head. but mostly we are good for health.
>
k. glad health is improving. know other things sahrd

> is ok to forget ppl. we can't keep track of others others. feel
> guilty, especially when we see astri remembers everyone and about them
> too. think our brain is kinda dull that way. even in rl can't do it.
> sigh.
>

we not so good at remembering people. better here then in rl

> sorry. everything is a complain right now. just how it feels all over
> inside.

is k. we like reading what you say. probably feels more complaint inside
then it comes across to us


>
> how are you? we like thinking of you snowshoeing and stuff.
>

we are... umm....

we not been snow shoeing. not been managing much. except today we
managed a small hike and it snowed and that ws really good for us. helped.

Puddles

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Dec 14, 2009, 9:13:10 PM12/14/09
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Today was rough day. he called me at work. he knows how much I don't
like it when he calls me at work to be mean and yell at me.

he was mad over things he wants to take that are mine or things I won't
buy him.

The revenge vindictive stuff is now officially begun. he will do
something evil to me now. Something mean. He got me really upset at work
and made it hard to keep working.

Saw t, he was too tired, I was late because I couldn't get the truck
started. oldest at home got mad at me because I had to make him leave
practice early so i can have car. everyone is mad or having bad day
around me, finally rubbed off on me.

t talked about nothing. i needed to talk about something. t asked about
work. we wanted to talk about how scared we are about the things evl is
going to do but we fed into t and just talked about work. then we said a
little about asd, but not until the end and as i was walking out.

my friend was emailing me yesterday and today and i thought about her
all day. I am glad she is there on the other side of the screen. Makes
me feel connected. Makes me feel like someone is there even when I don't
have to talk about nothing. ty friend. :)

Puddles

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Dec 14, 2009, 9:30:16 PM12/14/09
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oh no no. He is not isolated. he is normal classroom with his grade
level but one hour per day he goes to spec. ed class and gets 1 on 1
with reading and writing. then spec ed teacher sometimes will check on
him in the learning environment to help him understand what is being
taught in the 'normal' classroom. (hate that word!)

>
>> I feel for you, they made me cry a few times. Its *very* frustrating!
>
> Well, I'm pretty sure I won't cry. I'll just be obnoxious. *grin* I
> know so much how to work the system and play the game I'll end up
> getting all sorts of things cause they will just want me to stop :)
>
> Really all I want is for her to have someone to check in to every few
> days, just a few minutes at a time. They agree this is a good idea but
> claim they are 'too busy' to provide this.


no no no. this is what we get. it *is* the best choice cost wise,
doesn't the school see this?

I am attempting to figure
> out how to inconvenience them enough that giving her this small thing
> will be the easier of two tasks. Like, if I have the outside t'pist
> come to school and need a private office to talk to kidlette every
> single day in the middle of some big project and they HAVE TO provide
> what is needed and having one of them talk to her at their convenience
> will make their life easier :P~~ I hate playing the public school game
> but in every other way this school is ideal. If only it were a private
> school... *sigh* It really isn't the school's fault. It's the district
> :P
>
> My ace is to remind them that if they kick her out of this school (it
> is a choice school not a neighborhood school) her 'needs' will
> increase significantly and our neighborhood school might not be able
> to meet what she will legally need without spending a whole lot more
> money. *innocent look* In a traditional school she is going to need
> speech, counseling, social skills group, possibly a few other things
> and they will have set her up for it by telling me that this school
> can't provide for her. _They_ are the ones who will end up documenting
> the need!!! Our neighborhood school is tiny with only about 60 kids
> and part time spec ed at best. At one point they were bussing all the
> spec ed kids down to the flat parts to save money on services...
>
> Rainbow Colors (Jill)

Keep us updated, this is horrible! its hard to believe they actually
treat kids like this.

Puddles

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Dec 14, 2009, 9:36:35 PM12/14/09
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no no no. I think its better to talk about it and keep talking about it
until it gets out of you. Hold it in and it gets worse.

Not a drag, is real life and getting through real life.

bad brains? we use the term 'broken brain'. t always says our brain not
broke', we argue for a bit but we know t understands what we mean. feels
like the kind of broken that other ppl don't have.

but guess what? we do! I am same broken bad brain as you. is the same,
just keep going k? keep writing about it.

Puddles

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Dec 14, 2009, 9:41:00 PM12/14/09
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think some ppl are really good at members with outside stuff. we are
really good at members what happen to ppl in their past, but not what
happening to them in the now. make sense?

sometimes. well,, ok, maybe not. well, actually, i am not sure. i really
don't remember what i remember. sigh. i am not making sense now am i?

and i thought i would have a really sophisticated comment to add. :P

nope, i ended up looking like a dork again. :) ok, nevermind.

inappropriate puddle

astri

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Dec 14, 2009, 10:24:41 PM12/14/09
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Puddles wrote:

> Today was rough day. he called me at work. he knows how much I don't
> like it when he calls me at work to be mean and yell at me.

:(

> he was mad over things he wants to take that are mine or things I
> won't buy him.
>
> The revenge vindictive stuff is now officially begun. he will do
> something evil to me now. Something mean. He got me really upset at
> work and made it hard to keep working.

can you record your calls?

> Saw t, he was too tired, I was late because I couldn't get the truck
> started. oldest at home got mad at me because I had to make him
> leave practice early so i can have car. everyone is mad or having bad
> day around me, finally rubbed off on me.

:P

> t talked about nothing. i needed to talk about something. t asked
> about work. we wanted to talk about how scared we are about the
> things evl is going to do but we fed into t and just talked about
> work. then we said a little about asd, but not until the end and as i
> was walking out.

sigh

> my friend was emailing me yesterday and today and i thought about her
> all day. I am glad she is there on the other side of the screen.
> Makes me feel connected. Makes me feel like someone is there even
> when I don't have to talk about nothing. ty friend. :)

:)

confuzzled

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Dec 15, 2009, 12:05:21 AM12/15/09
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Puddles wrote:
> astri wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Puddles wrote:
>>
>>> yes, am learning about lots of blankets, we have to keep the heat
>>> down this winter because lower finances. Is lots of snuggles in big
>>> fluff in our house and make sure all lights are out and windows
>>> winterized.
>>>
>>> evl is evl. I think you are right, this is part of his evilness. You
>>> are right he has to make it so that 'i give in' so i will be wrong.
>>> but he still finds ways to ask to come back but only under my faults.
>>>
>>> kids miss him, and i do to sometimes but i keep trying to remember. I
>>> try not to erase all the bad stuff. littles want him back.
>>>
>>> t is helping. t helps us remember what the older parts want and why
>>> we are doing this. im glad for t and asd cause this is lonely hard to
>>> do.
>>
>> glad you make evl stay 'way
>>
>> -- astri
>>
>> ======================
>> to email send to astri
>> ======================
>> at volcano dot org
>> ======================
>
> Today was rough day. he called me at work. he knows how much I don't
> like it when he calls me at work to be mean and yell at me.
>
:( that not ok

> he was mad over things he wants to take that are mine or things I won't
> buy him.
>
> The revenge vindictive stuff is now officially begun. he will do
> something evil to me now. Something mean. He got me really upset at work
> and made it hard to keep working.
>

k. if you have to could you and boys go to shelter. would be awful but
you need to be safe from him

> Saw t, he was too tired, I was late because I couldn't get the truck
> started. oldest at home got mad at me because I had to make him leave
> practice early so i can have car. everyone is mad or having bad day
> around me, finally rubbed off on me.
>

:/

> t talked about nothing. i needed to talk about something. t asked about
> work. we wanted to talk about how scared we are about the things evl is
> going to do but we fed into t and just talked about work. then we said a
> little about asd, but not until the end and as i was walking out.
>

<sigh>


> my friend was emailing me yesterday and today and i thought about her
> all day. I am glad she is there on the other side of the screen. Makes
> me feel connected. Makes me feel like someone is there even when I don't
> have to talk about nothing. ty friend. :)

:)

jill

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Dec 15, 2009, 10:59:07 PM12/15/09
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In article <7ooalpF...@mid.individual.net>,

It's a perfect example of what is wrong with our public school system
in this country. People are so obsessed with standardized testing and
accountability and money they totally forget that there are actual
children involved, individual human beings. :P

A good quote: what if the government had to hold bake sales to
buy military equipment?

Puddles

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Dec 15, 2009, 11:05:06 PM12/15/09
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:)

Puddles

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Dec 15, 2009, 11:06:04 PM12/15/09
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:)

astri

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Dec 15, 2009, 11:48:20 PM12/15/09
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Puddles wrote:

> :)

hi

Puddles

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Dec 18, 2009, 11:56:08 PM12/18/09
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hi

astri

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Dec 19, 2009, 12:40:14 AM12/19/09
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Puddles wrote:
> astri wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Puddles wrote:
>>
>>> :)
>>
>> hi
>
> hi

Puddles

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Dec 20, 2009, 12:23:05 AM12/20/09
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how you been?

astri

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Dec 20, 2009, 1:40:02 AM12/20/09
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009, Puddles wrote:
> astri wrote:
>>
>> hi
>
> how you been?

busy busy busy busy busy
(running)

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