questions about eating
wolfie of confuzzled
Is it normal, when you eat a meal to feel full afterwards? Does that
mean you ate too much?
Is it normal to wait until you are sure you are hungry before eating?
pdoc t always says that it's normal to sometimes under eat and sometimes
over eat. That in the end it balances out. Is that true? Does that work
for you?
How do you decide what to eat?
These are probably incedibly dumb questions.:/
one last question - if you are vegetarian/vegan, can you say why?
Shiyiya
> feeling insecure about this but...
>
> Is it normal, when you eat a meal to feel full afterwards? Does that
> mean you ate too much?
means you ate enough. Full means eaten enough.
>
> Is it normal to wait until you are sure you are hungry before eating?
Some people eat when they get hungry, some people eat at regular
intervals regardless. With ED, the regular intervals is probably better
idea because I bet hunger signals are pretty scrambled.
>
> pdoc t always says that it's normal to sometimes under eat and sometimes
> over eat. That in the end it balances out. Is that true? Does that work
> for you?
For most people, yes. dieting and ED skew perceptions of what is normal
eating, though.
>
> How do you decide what to eat?
Sometimes eat foods you like. Sometimes eat foods you have in the house
:P Sometimes body will turn up with a craving for something, and a lot
of the time that means it needs a nutrient that's in that food.
>
> These are probably incedibly dumb questions.:/
Bet you never learned normal eating?
>
> one last question - if you are vegetarian/vegan, can you say why?
This blog post talks about what normal eating can mean
http://the-f-word.org/blog/index.php/2009/06/24/what-is-normal-eating-anyway/
The blog is by a woman recovered/in recovery from ED. Is a good blog.
Warning that that post and whole blog mentions ED fairly often. That
post also links to somewhere with sample meal plans for people learning
how to eat normally.
cometz
<nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> feeling insecure about this but...
>
> Is it normal, when you eat a meal to feel full afterwards? Does that
> mean you ate too much?
>
yes. but keep in mind that the stomach grows and shrinks based on
eating habits. not just a meal making it grow, but if, over time, you
(or one) eats too little the stomach does shrink some and the full
feeling happens more quickly. one will find it harder to consume a
large meal. conversely if one is consistently over eating then the
stomach capacity increases so one would be able to eat larger amounts
of food before feeling full.
also the body takes time to recognize it is full. for ppl who eat too
much doctors recommend not to eat till full cause within, umm, i think
about 15 minutes the digestion process begins in earnest and one will
feel full. example is someone eating a big meal, filling up and sits
at table for a bit talking to others. if you pay attention you will
notice that after a short time the big meal begins to settle and ppl
start stretching and making sort of "oof" noises about how full they
are. it takes a while for the body and brain to catch up. so docs tell
overeaters to stop before they feel full cause the fullness will
happen anyway.
> Is it normal to wait until you are sure you are hungry before eating?
not comfortable with the word normal cause it implies abnormality or
wrongness if one doesn't fit the model.
think it is harder to be aware or to be confident about lots of body
things when you are dissociative.
do know that when i was an undereater that sometimes i would notice
being hungry and then almost immediately feel nauseous. think all the
moderate responses were very off kilter.
think it is not surprising that you ask the question. also think it
worries you which makes it an important question. maybe the answer is
that you will have to figure out the answer that is true for you. not
trying to be a jerk, just that there are so many implications and
possibilities that it sounds like something you will have to work on
to understand its importance for you.
fwiw, i get hungry and ignore it. i can ignore for a long time.
eventually some inside get very upset and anxious and i realize i have
to get up and eat something.
think body and food are very problematic for many ppl. that's a
pretty easy conclusion, eh?
>
> pdoc t always says that it's normal to sometimes under eat and sometimes
> over eat. That in the end it balances out. Is that true? Does that work
> for you?
>
it used to more than now. partly cause of older body metabolizes more
slowly. partly cause i don't do as much walking as i used to. so the
balance is less constant. but when younger but not the undereating
time, worked out pretty much as sometimes too much, sometimes prolly
less than desirable or quality was questionable. (cheetos anyone?)
i think nature's creations all have periods of too much and periods of
too little. only humans have perfected a way to have too much all the
time. so to some degree we have disrupted the cycle and is why many
ppl become overweight. lions don't go into the lion 7-11 and order up
donuts and coffee.
> How do you decide what to eat?
>
used to be random, as i got hungry i got food to fill up the hunger.
when son arrived began making three squares a day cause i knew it was
important to provide him with decent diet. now the body has pre-
diabetes so am far more careful to eat well and somewhat regularly.
i pick foods i like and are healthy. think the idea of eating food you
don't like cause it is "good for you" is dopey. i love broccolli,
spring greens, salmon, heavy seeded bread, i drink soy milk and eat
soy yogurt. i have soy ice cream around for treats. i love string
beans so i buy frozen organic ones and steam them. i eat cereal for
snacks. i get a high fiber and protein one with low sugars and fat. i
love pears and apples and bananas. and chocolate. i try to limit the
chocolate, or get it as choc syrup on vanilla ice cream. we all love
donuts so sometimes i will get two for a treat. i like lentil soup,
minestrone soup and split pea soup. oh, and potato chips. i buy these
40% less fat ones. they are still yummy and crunchy and salty
deliciousness.
it took me a long time to grasp that i waste very little and eat much
healthier when i only have foods i really enjoy. i don't like cooking
so a lot of stuff is steam and eat. or put something between two
slices of bread. plus i make trade offs like if i have a healthy
salmon sandwich with greens i also allow myself to have chips with it.
if i make a good dinner of steamed beans, have a banana and drink soy
milk i will have a bowl of ice cream for dessert.
it has taken me a long time to figure out how to eat healthy and not
waste food. so i understand how confusing and difficult it is to
figure out.
> These are probably incedibly dumb questions.:/
no, they aren't. they are sincere questions. you are struggling to
make order and sense.
>
> one last question - if you are vegetarian/vegan, can you say why?
am vegetarian. eat fish. mostly only canned alaskan salmon. tried
vegan but the body gets really worn out and feels weak. found if i ate
a couple ounces a day i was ok.
don't want to eat other creatures. think if one is going to eat other
creatures then one should have to, at least once, k*ll the creature
one is going to eat so it is clearly understood what one is doing.
since i know i couldn't do this i think i can't morally eat creatures.
(make guilty exception with fish. maybe could k*ll fish. stupid
distinction. not comfortable about it.) how creatures are treated
from the day they are born till they are k*lled is so wrong that it
makes us feel ill. how they are k*lled is hideously cruel. also,
because creatures are fed high fat diets to make them bigger so they
can earn some human more money, because their living circumstances are
so inhumane that they get and pass along infections of all kinds so
are given constant diet of antibiotics that mean humans end up with
super infections that can't be healed, they are wildly unhealthy for
anyone to be eating. cause of the physical harm done to creatures
(stuff so insane and hideous i can't say it or even let the edges of
thought pictures remember what i've seen) that to participate in it,
to eat such unhealthy and tainted food and know it was done for
someone to make money....
it is all wrong wrong.
don't like milk for same reasons. also makes us sick. and as son's gf
pointed out, we are the only creature on the planet that regulary
drinks the milk of a different species. humans, esp. in the states,
have so twisted up food products and body images and stupid lies and
all of it, well it part of why so many ppl in this country are so
unhealthy and unhappy. so it makes sense to me that we would all be
confused about the subject.
betsy
astri
> feeling insecure about this but...
>
> Is it normal, when you eat a meal to feel full afterwards? Does that
> mean you ate too much?
we have been told that it is normal to feel full afterwards and that
does not mean you ate too much unless you are painfully full and
bloated.
> Is it normal to wait until you are sure you are hungry before eating?
how do you know you are hungry?
sometimes, we only know we're hungry when we're lightheaded
that's supposed to be way past hungry
> pdoc t always says that it's normal to sometimes under eat and
> sometimes over eat. That in the end it balances out. Is that true?
supposed to be
is what c does
is what sir lala does
> Does that work for you?
ummmm
> How do you decide what to eat?
depends who it is?
> These are probably incedibly dumb questions.:/
>
> one last question - if you are vegetarian/vegan, can you say why?
noticed we were vegetarian when we were on our own and feeding
ourselves and basically never chose meat
don't like the texture of animal protein, really
don't like the taste
don't like the mouth feel
and if the veggie "substitutes" are too much like the real thing, we
don't like those, either.
but after being vegetarian for a while, it also became an ethical thing
and now don't like the idea of eating critters
-- astri
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Juniper
wolfie of confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> feeling insecure about this but...
>
> Is it normal, when you eat a meal to feel full afterwards? Does that
> mean you ate too much?
Depends on what you mean by "feel full." I can feel comfortably full
after I've eaten a meal. If I've eaten too much I will likely feel
uncomfortably full. Often I have to wait a little while -- like 20
minutes -- to see if I'm full or if I need to eat some more.
> Is it normal to wait until you are sure you are hungry before eating?
Depends. If I know I am going to be going somewhere or doing something
that will require energy, I will eat some whether I feel hungry or not,
knowing that later I will wish I had eaten. And there are stages of
feeling hungry. I need to not wait until I'm very hungry before I start
preparing something to eat. If I wait too late I'm so hungry I can't
make healthy choices about what to eat.
> pdoc t always says that it's normal to sometimes under eat and sometimes
> over eat. That in the end it balances out. Is that true? Does that work
> for you?
I think that's true. I personally need to make more deliberate choices
about what and when I will eat since I have diabetes, and what/when I
eat is one way I control my blood sugar.
> How do you decide what to eat?
Some combination of:
- what appeals to me in the moment
- what I have in the house
- what would be healthy for me to eat (e.g. vegies and protein vs carbs
in my case)
> These are probably incedibly dumb questions.:/
Nope. They're good questions to ask when trying to figure out what
healthy eating is. Asking these questions can be a part of learning to
take care of oneself better.
> one last question - if you are vegetarian/vegan, can you say why?
Can't help there, I'm afraid. I'm an omnivore.
Juniper
jill
>
>Is it normal, when you eat a meal to feel full afterwards? Does that
>mean you ate too much?
Yes, this is normal.
>Is it normal to wait until you are sure you are hungry before eating?
Yes, this is normal.
>pdoc t always says that it's normal to sometimes under eat and sometimes
>over eat. That in the end it balances out. Is that true? Does that work
>for you?
Ok, that said, it doesn't work that way for me :P I tend to just not
notice full/not full. I don't notice hungry either. I notice physical
symptoms that go along with low bl*od sugar and such and I guess if I
were to overeat (I don't think I've done that in years...) I would
notice it because my stomach would hurt but I wouldn't think 'I
overate'. I have some odd disconnectedness about eating. I just
figured out what is healthy to eat and stick to it. That way the body
is taken care of and I don't have to think about it.
But normal people in my life report that sometimes they eat too much
and sometimes they eat too little and that basically it averages out
over the span of about a week at a time. Professional books say this
is healthy too. When I was in school I learned this.
>How do you decide what to eat?
I figured it out scientifically and just stick to that. No thinking
involved :P
>These are probably incedibly dumb questions.:/
Not at all dumb! I can't wait to read more peoples talking about this
cause maybe it will figure some stuff out for me. I am really clueless
when it comes to my eating.
>one last question - if you are vegetarian/vegan, can you say why?
I am an ovo lacto vegetarian (I eat dairy and eggs) but I am going
more toward veganism over time. Initially I started being veggie for
very logical reasons (no surprise!:). Most people in western society
eat too much fat. Most fat comes from either junk food or meat. Stop
eating meat/junk food and you cut out almost all saturated fat. I
was climbing very intensely at the time and needed to get my body fat
down to a silly level to be able to climb competitively (I did this
btw so it did work:P).
Over time, the longer I go without eating meat the less I can imagine
eating meat. I am now veggie as much for 'moral' reasons as I am for
health reasons. In fact, that is why I am going more vegan. The more I
think about eating eggs the more it grosses me out. The more I think
about milk the more it grosses me out. Of course thinking about eating
_period_ grosses me out so I'm not sure I'm totally 'sane' about this
topic *wry grin*
Over time I have learned quite a few things about meat production in
the world to convince myself that eating meat is just plain wrong.
Rainbow Colors (Jill)
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The colors blend, the edges soften. Swirling and mixing
we are becoming white light.
ji...@tuells.org
wolfie of confuzzled
> wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
<snipping good answers>
>> These are probably incedibly dumb questions.:/
>
> Bet you never learned normal eating?
guess not.
>>
>> one last question - if you are vegetarian/vegan, can you say why?
>
> This blog post talks about what normal eating can mean
> http://the-f-word.org/blog/index.php/2009/06/24/what-is-normal-eating-anyway/
>
was a very cool blog. we spent a lot of time looking
>
> The blog is by a woman recovered/in recovery from ED. Is a good blog.
> Warning that that post and whole blog mentions ED fairly often. That
> post also links to somewhere with sample meal plans for people learning
> how to eat normally.
meal plans just overwhelming but we been thinking long and hard about
this:
http://www.nourishingconnections.com/Basic%20Hunger%20Satiety%20Scale.pdf
we've gotten into the habit of *stopping* eating at 4. guess we have
some work to do
Shiyiya
> Shiyiya wrote:
>> wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
>
>
> <snipping good answers>
>
>>> These are probably incedibly dumb questions.:/
>>
>> Bet you never learned normal eating?
>
> guess not.
seems like foo never taught you a lot of things.
>>>
>>> one last question - if you are vegetarian/vegan, can you say why?
(will note we didn't answer this. Dedicated omnivore. Know lots of
things about meat production and horrible and/or gross, but like meat
(and cheese!) too much to give it up. :P)
>>
>> This blog post talks about what normal eating can mean
>> http://the-f-word.org/blog/index.php/2009/06/24/what-is-normal-eating-anyway/
>>
> was a very cool blog. we spent a lot of time looking
>>
>> The blog is by a woman recovered/in recovery from ED. Is a good blog.
>> Warning that that post and whole blog mentions ED fairly often. That
>> post also links to somewhere with sample meal plans for people
>> learning how to eat normally.
>
> meal plans just overwhelming but we been thinking long and hard about
> this:
> http://www.nourishingconnections.com/Basic%20Hunger%20Satiety%20Scale.pdf
>
> we've gotten into the habit of *stopping* eating at 4. guess we have
> some work to do
glad it was some help :)
wolfie of confuzzled
> On Dec 27, 9:10 pm, wolfie of confuzzled
> <nospamsometimesknownas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> feeling insecure about this but...
>>
>> Is it normal, when you eat a meal to feel full afterwards? Does that
>> mean you ate too much?
>>
>
> yes. but keep in mind that the stomach grows and shrinks based on
> eating habits. not just a meal making it grow, but if, over time, you
> (or one) eats too little the stomach does shrink some and the full
> feeling happens more quickly. one will find it harder to consume a
> large meal. conversely if one is consistently over eating then the
> stomach capacity increases so one would be able to eat larger amounts
> of food before feeling full.
>
> also the body takes time to recognize it is full. for ppl who eat too
> much doctors recommend not to eat till full cause within, umm, i think
> about 15 minutes the digestion process begins in earnest and one will
> feel full. example is someone eating a big meal, filling up and sits
> at table for a bit talking to others. if you pay attention you will
> notice that after a short time the big meal begins to settle and ppl
> start stretching and making sort of "oof" noises about how full they
> are. it takes a while for the body and brain to catch up. so docs tell
> overeaters to stop before they feel full cause the fullness will
> happen anyway.
>
think we in a recovery stage. guess we've been here before. *hate
it!!!!!!!!!* body is suddenly hungry. and we not getting as full as
fast. and even when we eat until full (ugh) we get hungry again. body is
just wants more more more. is easy to panic and not eat because feels
all of control in big way
think maybe we did this one before and managed to keep eating and not
freak and things calmed down.
>> Is it normal to wait until you are sure you are hungry before eating?
>
> not comfortable with the word normal cause it implies abnormality or
> wrongness if one doesn't fit the model.
> think it is harder to be aware or to be confident about lots of body
> things when you are dissociative.
ja. think maybe we should have used the word healthy but we got all
tangled up on that somehow
> do know that when i was an undereater that sometimes i would notice
> being hungry and then almost immediately feel nauseous. think all the
> moderate responses were very off kilter.
heh. understand that
um... think that sometimes when we notice we hungry we decide to exercise
> think it is not surprising that you ask the question. also think it
> worries you which makes it an important question. maybe the answer is
> that you will have to figure out the answer that is true for you. not
> trying to be a jerk, just that there are so many implications and
> possibilities that it sounds like something you will have to work on
> to understand its importance for you.
<big sigh>
> fwiw, i get hungry and ignore it. i can ignore for a long time.
> eventually some inside get very upset and anxious and i realize i have
> to get up and eat something.
>
k
> think body and food are very problematic for many ppl. that's a
> pretty easy conclusion, eh?
>
ja :)
<...>
>i pick foods i like and are healthy. think the idea of eating food you
> don't like cause it is "good for you" is dopey. i love broccolli,
> spring greens, salmon, heavy seeded bread, i drink soy milk and eat
> soy yogurt. i have soy ice cream around for treats. i love string
> beans so i buy frozen organic ones and steam them. i eat cereal for
> snacks. i get a high fiber and protein one with low sugars and fat. i
> love pears and apples and bananas. and chocolate. i try to limit the
> chocolate, or get it as choc syrup on vanilla ice cream. we all love
> donuts so sometimes i will get two for a treat. i like lentil soup,
> minestrone soup and split pea soup. oh, and potato chips. i buy these
> 40% less fat ones. they are still yummy and crunchy and salty
> deliciousness.
>
wow. that's lots of food you like. we get stuck on should and shouldn't
too much when trying to decide what to eat. can stall us for hours
> it took me a long time to grasp that i waste very little and eat much
> healthier when i only have foods i really enjoy. i don't like cooking
> so a lot of stuff is steam and eat. or put something between two
> slices of bread. plus i make trade offs like if i have a healthy
> salmon sandwich with greens i also allow myself to have chips with it.
> if i make a good dinner of steamed beans, have a banana and drink soy
> milk i will have a bowl of ice cream for dessert.
>
> it has taken me a long time to figure out how to eat healthy and not
> waste food. so i understand how confusing and difficult it is to
> figure out.
>
just wish we didn't have to eat at all :P
>> These are probably incedibly dumb questions.:/
>
> no, they aren't. they are sincere questions. you are struggling to
> make order and sense.
>
trying.
guess maybe sometimes when we really trying, I'm not trying so much.
this time I really trying
we read your answer to the vegetarian question. lots there. maybe we
will have to come back to that later
we been talking to charlie. she really wants to be vegetarian. we sort
of trying to offer a deal. if she can help with eating and we can have
healthy, sustained diet we can try vegetarian
is lots of back and forth and bickering and talking inside about all
this right now
wolfie of confuzzled
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009, wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
>
>> feeling insecure about this but...
>>
>> Is it normal, when you eat a meal to feel full afterwards? Does that
>> mean you ate too much?
>
> we have been told that it is normal to feel full afterwards and that
> does not mean you ate too much unless you are painfully full and
> bloated.
>
>> Is it normal to wait until you are sure you are hungry before eating?
>
> how do you know you are hungry?
umm.. sometimes shay tells us?
> sometimes, we only know we're hungry when we're lightheaded
> that's supposed to be way past hungry
>
oh. we get lightheaded and tired
but then things get quiet. we told t a bit about that and she said it
was a way to diss?
>> pdoc t always says that it's normal to sometimes under eat and
>> sometimes over eat. That in the end it balances out. Is that true?
>
> supposed to be
> is what c does
> is what sir lala does
>
k
>> Does that work for you?
>
> ummmm
>
heh :P
>> How do you decide what to eat?
>
> depends who it is?
>
that too
<sigh>
again, we read your answer to the vegetarian question. later. hopefully
folks won't mind if we bring it up again
Shiyiya
remember that is body has been deprived for a long time it's going to
need extra for a while because it has to play catch-up with getting
nutrients.
it is pretty inconvenient :P
wolfie of confuzzled
> In article <7pqici...@mid.individual.net>,
> wolfie of confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> feeling insecure about this but...
>>
>> Is it normal, when you eat a meal to feel full afterwards? Does that
>> mean you ate too much?
>
> Depends on what you mean by "feel full." I can feel comfortably full
> after I've eaten a meal. If I've eaten too much I will likely feel
> uncomfortably full. Often I have to wait a little while -- like 20
> minutes -- to see if I'm full or if I need to eat some more.
>
k. maybe you can't answer this, but can you say what's different between
comfortably full and uncomfortably full?
>> Is it normal to wait until you are sure you are hungry before eating?
>
> Depends. If I know I am going to be going somewhere or doing something
> that will require energy, I will eat some whether I feel hungry or not,
> knowing that later I will wish I had eaten. And there are stages of
> feeling hungry. I need to not wait until I'm very hungry before I start
> preparing something to eat. If I wait too late I'm so hungry I can't
> make healthy choices about what to eat.
>
k. this makes sense
<...>
>> How do you decide what to eat?
>
> Some combination of:
>
> - what appeals to me in the moment
> - what I have in the house
> - what would be healthy for me to eat (e.g. vegies and protein vs carbs
> in my case)
>
in that order?
>> These are probably incedibly dumb questions.:/
>
> Nope. They're good questions to ask when trying to figure out what
> healthy eating is. Asking these questions can be a part of learning to
> take care of oneself better.
>
k. thanks for answering
wolfie of confuzzled
> In article <7pqici...@mid.individual.net>,
> wolfie of confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote:
<...>
>> pdoc t always says that it's normal to sometimes under eat and sometimes
>> over eat. That in the end it balances out. Is that true? Does that work
>> for you?
>
> Ok, that said, it doesn't work that way for me :P I tend to just not
> notice full/not full. I don't notice hungry either. I notice physical
> symptoms that go along with low bl*od sugar and such and I guess if I
> were to overeat (I don't think I've done that in years...) I would
> notice it because my stomach would hurt but I wouldn't think 'I
> overate'. I have some odd disconnectedness about eating. I just
> figured out what is healthy to eat and stick to it. That way the body
> is taken care of and I don't have to think about it.
>
how do you know when to eat then? and how much? what happens if you're
routine is broken?
> But normal people in my life report that sometimes they eat too much
> and sometimes they eat too little and that basically it averages out
> over the span of about a week at a time. Professional books say this
> is healthy too. When I was in school I learned this.
>
>> How do you decide what to eat?
>
> I figured it out scientifically and just stick to that. No thinking
> involved :P
>
we've tried that before
but then we start thinking :P
>> These are probably incedibly dumb questions.:/
>
> Not at all dumb! I can't wait to read more peoples talking about this
> cause maybe it will figure some stuff out for me. I am really clueless
> when it comes to my eating.
>
is interesting
astri
> astri wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009, wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
>>
>>> feeling insecure about this but...
>>>
>>> Is it normal, when you eat a meal to feel full afterwards? Does that
>>> mean you ate too much?
>>
>> we have been told that it is normal to feel full afterwards and that
>> does not mean you ate too much unless you are painfully full and
>> bloated.
>>
> <sigh>
>
>>> Is it normal to wait until you are sure you are hungry before eating?
>>
>> how do you know you are hungry?
>
> umm.. sometimes shay tells us?
k
do you trust her?
(don't trust keiki)
(don't think she knows how to tell either)
(she just makes the opposite assumption)
(but lately we been getting headachy/growly/hungry *easily*)
(hate that)
>> sometimes, we only know we're hungry when we're lightheaded
>> that's supposed to be way past hungry
>>
> oh. we get lightheaded and tired
>
> but then things get quiet. we told t a bit about that and she said it
> was a way to diss?
happens that when you get way past hungry then the body shuts the
feelings down
dunno if that is dissing or not
>>> pdoc t always says that it's normal to sometimes under eat and
>>> sometimes over eat. That in the end it balances out. Is that true?
>>
>> supposed to be
>> is what c does
>> is what sir lala does
>>
> k
>
>>> Does that work for you?
>>
>> ummmm
>>
> heh :P
:P
>>> How do you decide what to eat?
>>
>> depends who it is?
>>
> that too
> <sigh>
>
> again, we read your answer to the vegetarian question. later.
> hopefully folks won't mind if we bring it up again
not at all
jill
I think I'm always from 4 to 7 at most. Probly I hover mostly around
5. I think my hunger/satiety system is broken. I don't notice hunger,
just physical symptoms that tell me my body needs fuel, but even
during that time I don't think eating would be a good thing to do. :P
jill
wolfie of confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>jill wrote:
>> In article <7pqici...@mid.individual.net>,
>> wolfie of confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
><...>
>>> pdoc t always says that it's normal to sometimes under eat and sometimes
>>> over eat. That in the end it balances out. Is that true? Does that work
>>> for you?
>>
>> Ok, that said, it doesn't work that way for me :P I tend to just not
>> notice full/not full. I don't notice hungry either. I notice physical
>> symptoms that go along with low bl*od sugar and such and I guess if I
>> were to overeat (I don't think I've done that in years...) I would
>> notice it because my stomach would hurt but I wouldn't think 'I
>> overate'. I have some odd disconnectedness about eating. I just
>> figured out what is healthy to eat and stick to it. That way the body
>> is taken care of and I don't have to think about it.
>>
>how do you know when to eat then? and how much? what happens if you're
>routine is broken?
I figure out in the AM an amount of food (example day: 8oz skim milk,
6 oz espresso, serving of vitamin powder mixed in, one meal
replacement bar-breakfast; 4 cups mixed field greens, 1 oz raw nuts, 1
serving some sort of cracker type thing, 1tbl oil/vinegar
dressing-lunch; seitan based jerky strip, piece of fruit- on hand for
snacks during the day; 16oz skim milk latte-snack; 1/2 cup brown rice,
1 cup steamed veggies, spicy korean type sauce (1tbl), nuts or tofu or
seitan one serving-dinner; minimum 2 liters of water; probly 16 oz
ice tea plain for dinner) Comes out to roughly 1500 calories a day. I
tried going down to 1200 but I can't do that for more than 3 days
without getting physical symptoms I think mean low blo*d sugar and I
feel blechy too.
I would be very happy setting a routine like the above and eating it
every single day. Left on my own, I _do_ eat this way. I get variety
in the specifics (what veggies, what carb-pasta/rice/quinoa, etc)
but I really don't care to vary it too much. I rarely _enjoy_ food and
mostly just set times that I am required to consume nutrients (like
on a typical work day I eat at 6:45am, 11:30am, 3pm, 6pm).
I try to stick in treats when I think of it. Treats are usually pretty
simple for me and I rarely think of them so I don't get them very
often. Last night I had a chocolate chip cookie. On the holiday of
mass consumerism and insanity I had a large glass of wine. Tonight we
have a kid sleeping over so we will have pizza. I don't consider pizza
a treat though cause I don't really like it (the kids do). I'll probly
have one piece and a large salad with no protein.
See, very mechanical and scientific.
I took classes in nutrition for my certification and I base most of my
meals on what I learned. I tend to be deficient in fruit and get a bit
too much salt overall. When I think of it I try to fix it by eating an
extra piece of fruit during the day. I'm just not into sweet stuff
that much. From my final project it seems I have the science down
quite well as to what my body needs.
Most of what I eat is quite portable so I just bring it with me
when we travel. My routine is rarely modified by much. During t'giving
we travelled and I brought or bought almost everything so my meals
stayed the same for the most part.
>> But normal people in my life report that sometimes they eat too much
>> and sometimes they eat too little and that basically it averages out
>> over the span of about a week at a time. Professional books say this
>> is healthy too. When I was in school I learned this.
>>
>>> How do you decide what to eat?
>>
>> I figured it out scientifically and just stick to that. No thinking
>> involved :P
>>
>we've tried that before
>but then we start thinking :P
When I start thinking I get a very strong aversion to food in general
and find my diet gets extremely limited in a way that is unhealthy.
For example, textures, smells, temp and processing of foods can make
it impossible for me to eat them. I recently found myself unable to
eat _apples_ of all things! *shrug* Thinking is a very bad idea for me
when it comes to food.
>>> These are probably incedibly dumb questions.:/
>>
>> Not at all dumb! I can't wait to read more peoples talking about this
>> cause maybe it will figure some stuff out for me. I am really clueless
>> when it comes to my eating.
>>
>is interesting
Yeah, as long as I don't think too deeply about it myself. Once, a
very long time ago, a t'pist and I decided that I had way too much
rigid control to allow myself to be anorexic, but that I was basically
that. :P
Juniper
wolfie of confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> k. maybe you can't answer this, but can you say what's different between
> comfortably full and uncomfortably full?
It's not really quantifiable. Comfortably full is when I feel content
and relaxed and full. Uncomfortably full is when I'm holding my belly
because it doesn't feel good, and my stomach feels over-stretched.
My niece, E, gave a good demonstration of "comfortably full" last Friday
after the nice tea we had before exchanging gifts. She smiled, leaned
back on the sofa, pulled the throw around her, and said, "My stomach is
happy!"
> >> How do you decide what to eat?
> >
> > Some combination of:
> >
> > - what appeals to me in the moment
> > - what I have in the house
> > - what would be healthy for me to eat (e.g. vegies and protein vs carbs
> > in my case)
> >
> in that order?
Probably. Sometimes the other way around when I determine what would be
healthy and see if there's a way I could get myself to find that
appealing. ;-)
Juniper
Shiyiya
why would you do that?? pretty sure women are supposed to get 2000 a day....
*mutter about diet industry and skewed perceptions*
have seen mentioned something called "orthorexic" that is very strict
control over obsessively healthy food
jill
Has nothing to do with society. I'm quite independent when it comes
to fads and others opinions. I eat that much because I can't eat more.
I'm doing quite well to have gotten up to 1500 a day. At one point in
my life I was at about 1000 and exercising _heavily_ 2 hours a day. I
was _one_ lb away from the dr putting me inpt :P~~ During school
recently I managed to eat 2,200 calories a day for 3 months as an
experiment. I felt ill, bloated and unwell all the time from it and
dreaded eating. This is very bad for me so as soon as the experiment
ended I immediately dropped to 1500 (which is up from the 1200 I was
eating at the beginning of the experiment).
I'm sure I have too much conscious control to get any disorder label
about eating. Unless that's the point. Then I'm probly the poster
child for that label :P~~ Basically, as soon as someone identifies
my eating disordered in any way I research to determine what is
optimally 'perfect' (per science) and go to that. See how healthy
I am *wry grin* For example, at one point I mentioned to a dr I was
concerned because there is alcoholism in my family and the dr said
something about red wine being healthy and up to one glass a day is
ok per some study. So I tried drinking _exactly_ 4oz of red wine
a day for a month.
Shiyiya
You tried eating less because you don't like eating, then?
pretty sure the point of that one is conscious obsessive control :P
And that's reminded me of one of the silly expensife things my grndma
had my d*d buy at sprouts. some bottle of stuff that concentrated the
antioxidants in wine. (also a $60 thing of POWDERED GRASS and why would
you pay that much for POWDERED GRASS)
jill
Something like that. I just don't see the point of eating. It is
simply an act one must do to survive. So I figure out what I need to
survive and figure that is good enough, or at least that was how it
was in the past. Now I try to allow more fun stuff and unnecessary
stuff as balance. That is how I got from 1,000 calories to 1200
calories.
I did some research and I am no where near what is considered
disordered. For example, one article mentioned the person won't eat
anywhere unless the food is made properly, not processed, etc. I
have no problems eating processed foods in small amounts and I am not
nearly as obsessed with organic foods as the article mentioned.
>And that's reminded me of one of the silly expensife things my grndma
>had my d*d buy at sprouts. some bottle of stuff that concentrated the
>antioxidants in wine. (also a $60 thing of POWDERED GRASS and why would
>you pay that much for POWDERED GRASS)
Just drink more wine. You get more antioxidants that way *grin*
Shiyiya
my foo pretty much doesn't do alcohol.
astri
> Something like that. I just don't see the point of eating. It is
> simply an act one must do to survive. So I figure out what I need to
> survive and figure that is good enough, or at least that was how it
> was in the past. Now I try to allow more fun stuff and unnecessary
> stuff as balance. That is how I got from 1,000 calories to 1200
> calories.
but if you couldn't care less about eating and aren't obsessed by it,
then why are you frequently posting about what you eat and where you
eat and what you like to eat and what you don't like to eat?
fuzzy
> wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
>> Shiyiya wrote:
>>> wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
>>
>>
>> <snipping good answers>
>>
>>>> These are probably incedibly dumb questions.:/
>>>
>>> Bet you never learned normal eating?
>>
>> guess not.
>
> seems like foo never taught you a lot of things.
I don't know
or maybe... well the teaching was so mixed up in scary stuff and mixed
messages and other stuff that it wasn't easy to learn
think the foo tried to teach some about healthy eating. think the foo
was pretty ignorant and the m*ther and br*ther pretty regularly binged
so not sure we trusted them much to teach us about eating
gathring
> feeling insecure about this but...
know you got replies, but...
> Is it normal, when you eat a meal to feel full afterwards? Does that
> mean you ate too much?
i sometimes do, sometimes don't. know its better to eat slow, that way
if i start to feel full, i can stop eating before it becomes uncomfortable
> Is it normal to wait until you are sure you are hungry before eating?
i eat at regular intervals, regardless of hunger. most times, if i
waited to feel hunger, i would not be eating at the times and in the
amounts my nutritionist recommended.
> pdoc t always says that it's normal to sometimes under eat and sometimes
> over eat. That in the end it balances out. Is that true? Does that work
> for you?
>
> How do you decide what to eat?
my schedule
> These are probably incedibly dumb questions.:/
if they are, i was incredibly dumb before i want to my nutritionist
> one last question - if you are vegetarian/vegan, can you say why?
have seriously considered it, but because of my diabetes it isn't highly
recommended. do mostly prefer vegetables, and most of my meat is fish or
fowl.