Anyone here yet?
ubiquity
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confuzzled
> Still very much fear here.
>
> (t)
hi
we got to go to work soon
sorry was such rough night
you were brave. glad you called police
ubiquity
Hi. Maybe you already left. We are still so scared. We need bread and
eggs, but we're still too scared to go outside even though the sun is
coming up and there's other people out.
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astri
> Still very much fear here.
was horrible stuff
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ubiquity
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, ubiquity wrote:
>
>> Still very much fear here.
>
> was horrible stuff
Keep wanting to just have been a bad dream, but the text messages are
still on the phone and the bits of asphault still sit on the window
sill. Last night we were babbling to the police about not being a
hallucinator. They said they know. They said is obvious people were
there to scare us. They just didn't know who. They saw the first text
message.
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astri
> On 2009-12-21, astri wrote...
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, ubiquity wrote:
>>
>>> Still very much fear here.
>>
>> was horrible stuff
>
> Keep wanting to just have been a bad dream, but the text messages are
> still on the phone and the bits of asphault still sit on the window
> sill. Last night we were babbling to the police about not being a
> hallucinator. They said they know. They said is obvious people were
> there to scare us. They just didn't know who. They saw the first text
> message.
if you get any more envelopes, put them in baggie and maybe they can
get fingerprints
ubiquity
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, ubiquity wrote:
>> Keep wanting to just have been a bad dream, but the text messages are
>> still on the phone and the bits of asphault still sit on the window
>> sill. Last night we were babbling to the police about not being a
>> hallucinator. They said they know. They said is obvious people were
>> there to scare us. They just didn't know who. They saw the first text
>> message.
>
> if you get any more envelopes, put them in baggie and maybe they can
> get fingerprints
Ok. Who is doing this to me? What did we ever do to deserve this?
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astri
don't know and don't think you deserve it
cometz
somebody very messed up. you don't deserve it. doesn't work that way.
the ugly ones know how to find kids who are vulnerable. that is all.
think on it, they don't go after adults. that would be too dangerous.
they find little people and then they figure out which ones are most
vulnerable. when you (me, prolly most here) have broken messed up
foo's then we are already at risk.
you never did anything to deserve this. you were a kid and deserved to
be loved and protected. the bad was the grownups around you. stinks.
worse than stinks but that is all we will say cause we might get too
angry saying more.
wish you could find out who the bad ones are and then they could be
stopped. maybe when you are all stronger you would be able to think on
that kind of thing. for now is just enough, sometimes too much, to try
to be safe and protected.
betsy
ubiquity
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, ubiquity wrote:
>>> if you get any more envelopes, put them in baggie and maybe they can
>>> get fingerprints
>>
>> Ok. Who is doing this to me? What did we ever do to deserve this?
>
> don't know and don't think you deserve it
Do you think our t sent them? Do you think she's testing us? She
promised never to do that, but we are scared.
T said she was going to order a pizza on wednesday for session. She said
we can pick what kind. She told vicki it's game day. She said can have
party and games for littles and it can be safe. She said nobody will get
h*rt. She said nobody has to do anything. We can call it off anytime if
we want.
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cometz
> On 2009-12-21, astri wrote...
> > On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, ubiquity wrote:
> >> On 2009-12-21, astri wrote...
> >>> if you get any more envelopes, put them in baggie and maybe they can
> >>> get fingerprints
>
> >> Ok. Who is doing this to me? What did we ever do to deserve this?
>
> > don't know and don't think you deserve it
>
> Do you think our t sent them? Do you think she's testing us? She
> promised never to do that, but we are scared.
>
no no no. that is understandable paranoia from past evl done to you.
she is good and safe. she would never do it and will always work to
protect all of you from that happening as much as she can. she is one
of the good guys. that's a promise i know is true. others at asd will
agree, i spect.
> T said she was going to order a pizza on wednesday for session. She said
> we can pick what kind. She told vicki it's game day. She said can have
> party and games for littles and it can be safe. She said nobody will get
> h*rt. She said nobody has to do anything. We can call it off anytime if
> we want.
>
unless you are too triggered to risk it i think it sounds like a very
nice idea. give youse chances to experience safe fun. help learn a
little bit of trust again. she is safe person. she has told you some
about her life. she doesn't make secrets and she always is on your
side. think she likes you a lot and really wants you to have a good
life, not a fearful, sad one.
maybe tell her you are scared and maybe plan only for pizza and then
if everyone is ok can do games. maybe not have games all out right
away. might be triggering initially. have some pizza, feel safe. then
see how you all are feeling. doesn't have to be all or nothing. you
can be in charge and make choices. she will understand and appreciate
that. even Kat says so. she says good tpsts let you get to pick so
you don't be scared.
betsy, and Kat
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ubiquity
> On Dec 21, 1:27?pm, ubiquity <ubiqu...@aftertragedy.us> wrote:
>> Ok. Who is doing this to me? What did we ever do to deserve this?
>>
>> (t)
>
> the ugly ones know how to find kids who are vulnerable. that is all.
> think on it, they don't go after adults. that would be too dangerous.
> they find little people and then they figure out which ones are most
> vulnerable. when you (me, prolly most here) have broken messed up
> foo's then we are already at risk.
>
> you never did anything to deserve this. you were a kid and deserved to
> be loved and protected. the bad was the grownups around you. stinks.
> worse than stinks but that is all we will say cause we might get too
> angry saying more.
>
> wish you could find out who the bad ones are and then they could be
> stopped. maybe when you are all stronger you would be able to think on
> that kind of thing. for now is just enough, sometimes too much, to try
> to be safe and protected.
>
> betsy
We will try to be safe. Baby fell asleep. We are going to lay down on
the floor with him and try to rest a little while he's not up. We can go
lots of days without sleeping, but days where we are super-panicky and
hypervigilant wears us out too much for sanity to stay up.
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cometz
hope is a good nap. gentle rest for you both.
betsy
ubiquity
> On Dec 21, 1:53?pm, ubiquity <ubiqu...@aftertragedy.us> wrote:
>> Do you think our t sent them? Do you think she's testing us? She
>> promised never to do that, but we are scared.
>
> no no no. that is understandable paranoia from past evl done to you.
> she is good and safe. she would never do it and will always work to
> protect all of you from that happening as much as she can. she is one
> of the good guys. that's a promise i know is true. others at asd will
> agree, i spect.
Ok. We always frightened we are being tested. We know it's her day off.
Think it might even be her bday, think it was around this week. We try
not to worry, but is like, we can't help it because what if it /is/ a
test.
>> T said she was going to order a pizza on wednesday for session. She said
>> we can pick what kind. She told vicki it's game day. She said can have
>> party and games for littles and it can be safe. She said nobody will get
>> h*rt. She said nobody has to do anything. We can call it off anytime if
>> we want.
>
> unless you are too triggered to risk it i think it sounds like a very
> nice idea. give youse chances to experience safe fun. help learn a
> little bit of trust again.
That's what she said. When she found out some were going out for ice
cream at night, she asked the one who told her if we could plan on
sometime going after session for ice cream. She said she could buy us
ice cream, no obligations, and take us home that day. We knew a month in
advance. It was nice. She said we could eat it at the ice cream place,
decided we were too dizzy when we got there because that's what we had
planned on, and she did just take us home. Right home. Told us every
turn she'd make, and she did exactly like she said.
> she is safe person. she has told you some about her life. she doesn't
> make secrets and she always is on your side. think she likes you a lot
> and really wants you to have a good life, not a fearful, sad one.
Think so too. Just scared sometimes. Always we were a little worried
about agency thrpst. She kept so much hidden. She didn't even use her
real name with us we found out.
> maybe tell her you are scared and maybe plan only for pizza and then
> if everyone is ok can do games. maybe not have games all out right
> away. might be triggering initially. have some pizza, feel safe. then
> see how you all are feeling. doesn't have to be all or nothing. you
> can be in charge and make choices. she will understand and appreciate
> that. even Kat says so. she says good tpsts let you get to pick so
> you don't be scared.
>
> betsy, and Kat
Ok. Is a good idea. Thanks.
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ubiquity
> On Dec 21, 2:08?pm, ubiquity <ubiqu...@aftertragedy.us> wrote:
>> On 2009-12-21, cometz wrote...
>> > somebody very messed up. you don't deserve it. doesn't work that way.
>> > the ugly ones know how to find kids who are vulnerable. that is all.
>> > think on it, they don't go after adults. that would be too dangerous.
>> > they find little people and then they figure out which ones are most
>> > vulnerable. when you (me, prolly most here) have broken messed up
>> > foo's then we are already at risk.
>>
>> > you never did anything to deserve this. you were a kid and deserved to
>> > be loved and protected. the bad was the grownups around you. stinks.
>> > worse than stinks but that is all we will say cause we might get too
>> > angry saying more.
>>
>> > wish you could find out who the bad ones are and then they could be
>> > stopped. maybe when you are all stronger you would be able to think on
>> > that kind of thing. for now is just enough, sometimes too much, to try
>> > to be safe and protected.
>>
>> > betsy
>>
>> We will try to be safe. Baby fell asleep. We are going to lay down on
>> the floor with him and try to rest a little while he's not up. We can go
>> lots of days without sleeping, but days where we are super-panicky and
>> hypervigilant wears us out too much for sanity to stay up.
>>
>> (t)
>
>
> betsy
Thanks. Our t called back. Now we're a little calmer. Don't think we'll
sleep, but think we can lay down and maybe the room won't swing around
if we close our eyes. Time to rest hopefully.
Thank you betsy and Kat and astri and confused for being here this
morning. Was very much help.
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jill
I'm very sure it's not your t'pist! Either there are people some of
you have met who are doing this (not really good friends, that's for
sure!) or it's people from the past. Not people I'd consider friends
either.
I think you should go to t'py on Wed and have a nice time. Let the
kids play, eat pizza, have fun. Let them learn that it is possible
to just have fun.
What I would do is save anything you can save from the people who
threw asphalt and put it in plastic bags and keep it up away from
the kids (I am worried there might be something in the chocolate that
is hurtful) and give it all to the police when they come.
Rainbow Colors (Jill)
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ubiquity
> In article <slrnhivh11....@asus.zero>,
> ubiquity <ubiq...@aftertragedy.us> wrote:
>>Do you think our t sent them? Do you think she's testing us? She
>>promised never to do that, but we are scared.
>>
>>T said she was going to order a pizza on wednesday for session. She said
>>we can pick what kind. She told vicki it's game day. She said can have
>>party and games for littles and it can be safe. She said nobody will get
>>h*rt. She said nobody has to do anything. We can call it off anytime if
>>we want.
>>
>>(t)
>
> you have met who are doing this (not really good friends, that's for
> sure!) or it's people from the past. Not people I'd consider friends
> either.
:(
> I think you should go to t'py on Wed and have a nice time. Let the
> kids play, eat pizza, have fun. Let them learn that it is possible
> to just have fun.
Ok. T has an appointment downtown before seeing us. We were going to
ride the bus up there, but she said she can pick us up and drive us home
if we need it. She will be in the neighborhood.
> What I would do is save anything you can save from the people who
> threw asphalt and put it in plastic bags and keep it up away from
> the kids (I am worried there might be something in the chocolate that
> is hurtful) and give it all to the police when they come.
>
> Rainbow Colors (Jill)
A detective came this afternoon and took photos of the asphault bits and
the text messages on the cell and a statement. They have the audio of
the asphault hitting the window on the 9-1-1 call. He said they will be
working on it, and to call if it happens again. Really don't want it to
happen again. Scared. So much anxiety now that it's dark again. We are
worried. Panicked.
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cometz
hi. we fell asleep all day. kat is around a lot and kind of swithcy
but will try to stick around. kat said that maybe you should talk to
your tpst and she can help you guys know if there are any games that
might be a problem for some of you. then she can have games that
aren't going to be scxary.
hi this is Kat. can you ask yur therpis to get fun napkns. then it is
saf only still fun and she can also find owt wat games ar the best. we
ar all very soory for the scary stuf. also we lik you and hop you ar
all saf.
By from Kat
confuzzled
> On 2009-12-22, jill wrote...
>> In article <slrnhivh11....@asus.zero>,
>> ubiquity <ubiq...@aftertragedy.us> wrote:
<...>
>> I think you should go to t'py on Wed and have a nice time. Let the
>> kids play, eat pizza, have fun. Let them learn that it is possible
>> to just have fun.
>
> Ok. T has an appointment downtown before seeing us. We were going to
> ride the bus up there, but she said she can pick us up and drive us home
> if we need it. She will be in the neighborhood.
think she's a good t
think she's safe
>
>> What I would do is save anything you can save from the people who
>> threw asphalt and put it in plastic bags and keep it up away from
>> the kids (I am worried there might be something in the chocolate that
>> is hurtful) and give it all to the police when they come.
>>
>> Rainbow Colors (Jill)
>
> A detective came this afternoon and took photos of the asphault bits and
> the text messages on the cell and a statement. They have the audio of
> the asphault hitting the window on the 9-1-1 call. He said they will be
> working on it, and to call if it happens again. Really don't want it to
> happen again. Scared. So much anxiety now that it's dark again. We are
> worried. Panicked.
>
> (t)
we just got home. wish we could have stayed and talked to you more this
morning. we haven't read all the posts yet. started here because is last
post from you and wanted to see if you ok. glad you called police, you
being brave
ubiquity
> hi. we fell asleep all day. kat is around a lot and kind of swithcy
> but will try to stick around. kat said that maybe you should talk to
> your tpst and she can help you guys know if there are any games that
> might be a problem for some of you. then she can have games that
> aren't going to be scxary.
Already decided we just going to play rummikub and talk. We all like
rummikub. Is a safe game. Played it at the hsptl too with the psych tech
our son is named after. We have a set, but our t said she bought a set
and it's in her car still waiting for wednesday so she doesn't forget
it.
> hi this is Kat. can you ask yur therpis to get fun napkns. then it is
> saf only still fun and she can also find owt wat games ar the best. we
> ar all very soory for the scary stuf. also we lik you and hop you ar
> all saf.
> By from Kat
Thanks.
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ubiquity
> ubiquity wrote:
>> On 2009-12-22, jill wrote...
>>> In article <slrnhivh11....@asus.zero>,
>>> ubiquity <ubiq...@aftertragedy.us> wrote:
>
><...>
>>> I think you should go to t'py on Wed and have a nice time. Let the
>>> kids play, eat pizza, have fun. Let them learn that it is possible
>>> to just have fun.
>>
>> Ok. T has an appointment downtown before seeing us. We were going to
>> ride the bus up there, but she said she can pick us up and drive us home
>> if we need it. She will be in the neighborhood.
>
> think she's a good t
> think she's safe
Ok. We rode with her that day we had a breakdown and pushed out of the
doors on the bus too. She found us when we called and drove us right
home.
>>> What I would do is save anything you can save from the people who
>>> threw asphalt and put it in plastic bags and keep it up away from
>>> the kids (I am worried there might be something in the chocolate that
>>> is hurtful) and give it all to the police when they come.
>>>
>>> Rainbow Colors (Jill)
>>
>> A detective came this afternoon and took photos of the asphault bits and
>> the text messages on the cell and a statement. They have the audio of
>> the asphault hitting the window on the 9-1-1 call. He said they will be
>> working on it, and to call if it happens again. Really don't want it to
>> happen again. Scared. So much anxiety now that it's dark again. We are
>> worried. Panicked.
>>
>> (t)
>
> we just got home. wish we could have stayed and talked to you more this
> morning.
Glad you did what you could. Helped.
> we haven't read all the posts yet. started here because is last
> post from you and wanted to see if you ok. glad you called police, you
> being brave
Ok, don't feel like you need to read them though. Only if you feel like
it.
How was your day? (we actually going to go lay in the dark, but we will
see when we get back)
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confuzzled
> On 2009-12-22, confuzzled wrote...
>> ubiquity wrote:
>>> On 2009-12-22, jill wrote...
>>>> In article <slrnhivh11....@asus.zero>,
>>>> ubiquity <ubiq...@aftertragedy.us> wrote:
>> <...>
>>>> I think you should go to t'py on Wed and have a nice time. Let the
>>>> kids play, eat pizza, have fun. Let them learn that it is possible
>>>> to just have fun.
>>> Ok. T has an appointment downtown before seeing us. We were going to
>>> ride the bus up there, but she said she can pick us up and drive us home
>>> if we need it. She will be in the neighborhood.
>> think she's a good t
>> think she's safe
>
> Ok. We rode with her that day we had a breakdown and pushed out of the
> doors on the bus too. She found us when we called and drove us right
> home.
>
>>>> What I would do is save anything you can save from the people who
>>>> threw asphalt and put it in plastic bags and keep it up away from
>>>> the kids (I am worried there might be something in the chocolate that
>>>> is hurtful) and give it all to the police when they come.
>>>>
>>>> Rainbow Colors (Jill)
>>> A detective came this afternoon and took photos of the asphault bits and
>>> the text messages on the cell and a statement. They have the audio of
>>> the asphault hitting the window on the 9-1-1 call. He said they will be
>>> working on it, and to call if it happens again. Really don't want it to
>>> happen again. Scared. So much anxiety now that it's dark again. We are
>>> worried. Panicked.
>>>
>>> (t)
>> we just got home. wish we could have stayed and talked to you more this
>> morning.
>
> Glad you did what you could. Helped.
>
k
was big scary thing that happened
>> we haven't read all the posts yet. started here because is last
>> post from you and wanted to see if you ok. glad you called police, you
>> being brave
>
> Ok, don't feel like you need to read them though. Only if you feel like
> it.
>
k. cant really think right now.
> How was your day? (we actually going to go lay in the dark, but we will
> see when we get back)
>
> (t)
our day was long. we slept last night but was all busy busy inside and
bad dreams and waking up. then we got to work and just got busy. guess
we've started a diet too. then we saw t. was wolfie and she had walls
up. think maybe we weren't very cooperative.
confuzzled
> On 2009-12-22, cometz wrote...
>> hi. we fell asleep all day. kat is around a lot and kind of swithcy
>> but will try to stick around. kat said that maybe you should talk to
>> your tpst and she can help you guys know if there are any games that
>> might be a problem for some of you. then she can have games that
>> aren't going to be scxary.
>
> Already decided we just going to play rummikub and talk. We all like
> rummikub. Is a safe game. Played it at the hsptl too with the psych tech
> our son is named after. We have a set, but our t said she bought a set
> and it's in her car still waiting for wednesday so she doesn't forget
> it.
we like rummikube. we play that with n
i wonder if our t would play games
i wanna play with her
astri
> On 2009-12-21, astri wrote...
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, ubiquity wrote:
>>> On 2009-12-21, astri wrote...
>>>> if you get any more envelopes, put them in baggie and maybe they can
>>>> get fingerprints
>>>
>>> Ok. Who is doing this to me? What did we ever do to deserve this?
>>
>> don't know and don't think you deserve it
>
> Do you think our t sent them? Do you think she's testing us? She
> promised never to do that, but we are scared.
definitely don't think t is doing that
> T said she was going to order a pizza on wednesday for session. She
> said we can pick what kind. She told vicki it's game day. She said
> can have party and games for littles and it can be safe. She said
> nobody will get h*rt. She said nobody has to do anything. We can call
> it off anytime if we want.
is it scary?
astri
> Think so too. Just scared sometimes. Always we were a little worried
> about agency thrpst. She kept so much hidden. She didn't even use her
> real name with us we found out.
omg
that's *so* paranoid of the agency t!!!
never *heard* of that
gah
astri
> Thanks. Our t called back. Now we're a little calmer. Don't think
> we'll sleep, but think we can lay down and maybe the room won't swing
> around if we close our eyes. Time to rest hopefully.
>
> Thank you betsy and Kat and astri and confused for being here this
> morning. Was very much help.
yw
astri
> A detective came this afternoon and took photos of the asphault bits
> and the text messages on the cell and a statement. They have the
> audio of the asphault hitting the window on the 9-1-1 call. He said
> they will be working on it, and to call if it happens again. Really
> don't want it to happen again. Scared. So much anxiety now that it's
> dark again. We are worried. Panicked.
hope it doesn't happen again
glad the police are taking it seriously
astri
> our day was long. we slept last night but was all busy busy inside
> and bad dreams and waking up. then we got to work and just got busy.
> guess we've started a diet too. then we saw t. was wolfie and she had
> walls up. think maybe we weren't very cooperative.
sigh
was that cuz of the diet?
Baba Yaga
alt.support.dissociation:
>our day was long. we slept last night but was all busy busy inside and
>bad dreams and waking up. then we got to work and just got busy. guess
>we've started a diet too.
oh, dear.
that sounds not very safe.
>then we saw t. was wolfie and she had walls
>up. think maybe we weren't very cooperative.
can't always be.
Baba Yaga
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External things are no more like the perceptions they give rise to,
than wine is similar to intoxication, or opium to the delirium which
it produces.
- John Playfair
ubiquity
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, ubiquity wrote:
>> On 2009-12-21, astri wrote...
>>
>> Do you think our t sent them? Do you think she's testing us? She
>> promised never to do that, but we are scared.
>
> definitely don't think t is doing that
She said she's not.
>> T said she was going to order a pizza on wednesday for session. She
>> said we can pick what kind. She told vicki it's game day. She said
>> can have party and games for littles and it can be safe. She said
>> nobody will get h*rt. She said nobody has to do anything. We can call
>> it off anytime if we want.
>
> is it scary?
Not scary. A little worrisome, but anything like that is.
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ubiquity
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, ubiquity wrote:
>
>> Think so too. Just scared sometimes. Always we were a little worried
>> about agency thrpst. She kept so much hidden. She didn't even use her
>> real name with us we found out.
>
> omg
>
> that's *so* paranoid of the agency t!!!
> never *heard* of that
>
> gah
Well she used her middle name, and think that's ok, but we remember
first going in there and there was confusion because the thrpst from the
last place had told us our new thrpst's name was Laura. When we asked
that, they didn't know who. When we told agency thrpst about the
confusion, she denied her name being Laura. Said she had no idea who
that was. One night we were looking up state licensing stuff, her CSW
and later LCSW both licensed to Laura <rest of her name>. Also, we
always had suspected she was lying about her identity because her
license wasn't displayed anywhere. Every thrpst we'd ever seen had their
license and diploma on their wall or framed on their desk.
Only thing she ever told us about herself was her age and that she
missed having a dishwasher. Her husband's house had no dishwasher when
she moved in with him.
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ubiquity
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2009, ubiquity wrote:
>
>> A detective came this afternoon and took photos of the asphault bits
>> and the text messages on the cell and a statement. They have the
>> audio of the asphault hitting the window on the 9-1-1 call. He said
>> they will be working on it, and to call if it happens again. Really
>> don't want it to happen again. Scared. So much anxiety now that it's
>> dark again. We are worried. Panicked.
>
> hope it doesn't happen again
> glad the police are taking it seriously
Quiet night last night. Still so fearful. Sat at the window all night
looking into the alley.
(t)
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-ubiquity constellation
Shiyiya
hope they don't come back and hope the police can do something about it.
sounds like it was very very scary.
jill
People agree it happened, people are wanting to help you, everyone
accepts you are not hallucinating it. The bad people better start
running! You are getting stronger, btw. You probly can't see it yet,
but when I first 'met' you, had something like this happened, you
would have hurt your body, ended up losing time, been put in hosp,
maybe other things. And _this_ time you reached out to asd, called
your t'pist several times, called 911, talked to cops, saved evidence,
and other things. That is some definite growth and strength!!!
Of course you are scared and anxious and of course you don't like that
this is happening. No one would! Your reactions are completely normal
and healthy! :) If it does happen again, try to take pictures (stay
safe of course, don't do anything that might be dangerous!), call 911
again, mention the name of the detective if you remember it, save
evidence. It won't take long before the bad people get tired of
bugging with someone who is strong and adult. They will go away or get
caught.
astri
k
astri
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, ubiquity wrote:
>>
>>> Think so too. Just scared sometimes. Always we were a little
>>> worried about agency thrpst. She kept so much hidden. She didn't
>>> even use her real name with us we found out.
>>
>> omg
>>
>> that's *so* paranoid of the agency t!!!
>> never *heard* of that
>>
>> gah
>
> Well she used her middle name, and think that's ok, but we remember
> first going in there and there was confusion because the thrpst from
> the last place had told us our new thrpst's name was Laura. When we
> asked that, they didn't know who. When we told agency thrpst about
> the confusion, she denied her name being Laura. Said she had no idea
> who that was. One night we were looking up state licensing stuff, her
> CSW and later LCSW both licensed to Laura <rest of her name>. Also,
> we always had suspected she was lying about her identity because her
> license wasn't displayed anywhere. Every thrpst we'd ever seen had
> their license and diploma on their wall or framed on their desk.
that just makes it seem like she was afraid of her agency clients which
makes us wonder why she would work there :(
> Only thing she ever told us about herself was her age and that she
> missed having a dishwasher. Her husband's house had no dishwasher
> when she moved in with him.
k
astri
but at least it was quiet
ubiquity
> In article <slrnhj0act....@asus.zero>,
> ubiquity <ubiq...@aftertragedy.us> wrote:
>>A detective came this afternoon and took photos of the asphault bits and
>>the text messages on the cell and a statement. They have the audio of
>>the asphault hitting the window on the 9-1-1 call. He said they will be
>>working on it, and to call if it happens again. Really don't want it to
>>happen again. Scared. So much anxiety now that it's dark again. We are
>>worried. Panicked.
>>
>>(t)
>
> accepts you are not hallucinating it. The bad people better start
> running! You are getting stronger, btw. You probly can't see it yet,
> but when I first 'met' you, had something like this happened, you
> would have hurt your body, ended up losing time, been put in hosp,
> maybe other things. And _this_ time you reached out to asd, called
> your t'pist several times, called 911, talked to cops, saved evidence,
> and other things. That is some definite growth and strength!!!
Is good? Makes us feel more scared. Cowering huddled in a corner for
twelve hours scared witless doesn't feel like growth.
> Of course you are scared and anxious and of course you don't like that
> this is happening. No one would! Your reactions are completely normal
> and healthy! :) If it does happen again, try to take pictures (stay
> safe of course, don't do anything that might be dangerous!), call 911
> again, mention the name of the detective if you remember it, save
> evidence. It won't take long before the bad people get tired of
> bugging with someone who is strong and adult. They will go away or get
> caught.
>
> Rainbow Colors (Jill)
We are just so afraid. T said we should take pictures too. The time we
went out and took a picture from the back enterance, the ice cream van
didn't come back again as far as we know. Our t said she's noticed if we
take a picture, seems they move to something else. We wanted to the
other night. We were so afraid if we looked, they would throw a rock
through the window or escalate. :(
(t)
--
-ubiquity constellation
ubiquity
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009, ubiquity wrote:
>> On 2009-12-22, astri wrote...
>>
>> Not scary. A little worrisome, but anything like that is.
>
> k
We've never liked parties, get togethers, sl**povers, etc.
(t)
--
-ubiquity constellation
ubiquity
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009, ubiquity wrote:
>> Well she used her middle name, and think that's ok, but we remember
>> first going in there and there was confusion because the thrpst from
>> the last place had told us our new thrpst's name was Laura. When we
>> asked that, they didn't know who. When we told agency thrpst about
>> the confusion, she denied her name being Laura. Said she had no idea
>> who that was. One night we were looking up state licensing stuff, her
>> CSW and later LCSW both licensed to Laura <rest of her name>. Also,
>> we always had suspected she was lying about her identity because her
>> license wasn't displayed anywhere. Every thrpst we'd ever seen had
>> their license and diploma on their wall or framed on their desk.
>
> that just makes it seem like she was afraid of her agency clients which
> makes us wonder why she would work there :(
Yeah, think she thought that too. Don't know. *shrugs* If she'd leave
the room even for a minute she'd take her purse with her. Thought that
was a little strange, especially when she'd take it out of the cabinet
to take with her. Not like we'd rifle through her things. She would
always say how she wanted to be equals, but she always held us in this
sick patient role.
(t)
--
-ubiquity constellation
ubiquity
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009, ubiquity wrote:
>> On 2009-12-22, astri wrote...
>>> glad the police are taking it seriously
>>
>> Quiet night last night. Still so fearful. Sat at the window all night
>> looking into the alley.
>
> but at least it was quiet
anticipating h*rt isnt pleasant. just want to get it over with. wanted
to deliver us. just beg to be k*lled so its done and over for good.
(s)
--
-ubiquity constellation
astri
really glad you found current t
astri
> On 2009-12-22, astri wrote...
>> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009, ubiquity wrote:
>>> On 2009-12-22, astri wrote...
>>>> hope it doesn't happen again
>>>> glad the police are taking it seriously
>>>
>>> Quiet night last night. Still so fearful. Sat at the window all
>>> night looking into the alley.
>>
>> but at least it was quiet
>
> anticipating h*rt isnt pleasant. just want to get it over with.
> wanted to deliver us. just beg to be k*lled so its done and over for
> good.
but maybe they not actually gonna h*rt you
maybe they just trying to t*rrorize you
maybe they just trying to protect themselves
they don't want you to get better
they afraid if you get better you might tell on them
jill
ubiquity <ubiq...@aftertragedy.us> wrote:
>On 2009-12-22, jill wrote...
>> In article <slrnhj0act....@asus.zero>,
>> ubiquity <ubiq...@aftertragedy.us> wrote:
>>>A detective came this afternoon and took photos of the asphault bits and
>>>the text messages on the cell and a statement. They have the audio of
>>>the asphault hitting the window on the 9-1-1 call. He said they will be
>>>working on it, and to call if it happens again. Really don't want it to
>>>happen again. Scared. So much anxiety now that it's dark again. We are
>>>worried. Panicked.
>>>
>>>(t)
>>
>> People agree it happened, people are wanting to help you, everyone
>> accepts you are not hallucinating it. The bad people better start
>> running! You are getting stronger, btw. You probly can't see it yet,
>> but when I first 'met' you, had something like this happened, you
>> would have hurt your body, ended up losing time, been put in hosp,
>> maybe other things. And _this_ time you reached out to asd, called
>> your t'pist several times, called 911, talked to cops, saved evidence,
>> and other things. That is some definite growth and strength!!!
>
>Is good? Makes us feel more scared. Cowering huddled in a corner for
>twelve hours scared witless doesn't feel like growth.
Think of it this way: you _knew_ you felt this, you knew _why_ you
felt this, you have external agreement that this is true and you
aren't 'just crazy', you didn't end up inpt from it. I'd say it's
growth even if it's not fun. Believe me, growth was rarely 'fun'
in the early steps! :P
>> Of course you are scared and anxious and of course you don't like that
>> this is happening. No one would! Your reactions are completely normal
>> and healthy! :) If it does happen again, try to take pictures (stay
>> safe of course, don't do anything that might be dangerous!), call 911
>> again, mention the name of the detective if you remember it, save
>> evidence. It won't take long before the bad people get tired of
>> bugging with someone who is strong and adult. They will go away or get
>> caught.
>>
>> Rainbow Colors (Jill)
>
>We are just so afraid. T said we should take pictures too. The time we
>went out and took a picture from the back enterance, the ice cream van
>didn't come back again as far as we know. Our t said she's noticed if we
>take a picture, seems they move to something else. We wanted to the
>other night. We were so afraid if we looked, they would throw a rock
>through the window or escalate. :(
>
>(t)
>--
> -ubiquity constellation
Yes, you have to do what seems safest in the moment. Your wife was
with you, right? Maybe _she_ could have taken the picture from
outside. If they don't know who she is they wouldn't have paid any
attention to someone walking by, maybe. I dunno. Pictures and
reporting them to police and speaking up (here, with t'pist, etc)
is a very smart thing to do. Stuff like this only flourishes in
secret and fear. Once you take your power and strength and say NO
and STOP, you aren't an easy target and not as much fun to mess with.
Of course throwing a rock through your window would have been a very
stupid thing for them to do. Fingerprints, mad landlords, more police
vigilance cause it is a more serious crime.
wolfie of confuzzled
> confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote, in
> alt.support.dissociation:
>
>> our day was long. we slept last night but was all busy busy inside and
>> bad dreams and waking up. then we got to work and just got busy. guess
>> we've started a diet too.
>
> oh, dear.
> that sounds not very safe.
>
hate this time of year. hate all the triggers. then there's food
everywhere. wanna make sure they don't go overboard and eat too much.
beside, we not been exercising as much.
feels better to be on a diet. there's others that want it to. but now
I'm not so sure. guess the body doesn't feel good. wouldn't care but
tomorrow we get to see n and n-hubby and kiddo. is probably our only
chance while they here. don't wanna ruin it
but shay told t we going on a diet and we said it here so now we have
to. we started and then we stopped and then we started again. seems like
weakness if we can't stick with it for more then a couple days in a row.
dunno what's right.
hate this time of year.
sorry, lots of posts but we cant much seem to read. don't mean to ignore
Shiyiya
> Baba Yaga wrote:
>> confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote, in
>> alt.support.dissociation:
>>
>>> our day was long. we slept last night but was all busy busy inside
>>> and bad dreams and waking up. then we got to work and just got busy.
>>> guess we've started a diet too.
>>
>> oh, dear.
>> that sounds not very safe.
>>
> you sure it's not safe?
> hate this time of year. hate all the triggers. then there's food
> everywhere. wanna make sure they don't go overboard and eat too much.
> beside, we not been exercising as much.
as I said elsewhere, I think it would be exceedingly difficult for you
guys to eat too much. think your body has had too little for so long
that it would take a lot to get it back to "normal", let alone anything
else.
>
> feels better to be on a diet. there's others that want it to.
soundss like ED talking
> but now
> I'm not so sure. guess the body doesn't feel good. wouldn't care but
> tomorrow we get to see n and n-hubby and kiddo. is probably our only
> chance while they here. don't wanna ruin it
>
> but shay told t we going on a diet and we said it here so now we have
> to. we started and then we stopped and then we started again. seems like
> weakness if we can't stick with it for more then a couple days in a row.
false logic
not eating isn't strength. not eating makes body weak and sick and slow
to heal.
wolfie of confuzzled
> wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
>> Baba Yaga wrote:
>>> confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote, in
>>> alt.support.dissociation:
>>>
>>>> our day was long. we slept last night but was all busy busy inside
>>>> and bad dreams and waking up. then we got to work and just got busy.
>>>> guess we've started a diet too.
>>>
>>> oh, dear.
>>> that sounds not very safe.
>>>
>> you sure it's not safe?
>> hate this time of year. hate all the triggers. then there's food
>> everywhere. wanna make sure they don't go overboard and eat too much.
>> beside, we not been exercising as much.
>
> as I said elsewhere, I think it would be exceedingly difficult for you
> guys to eat too much. think your body has had too little for so long
> that it would take a lot to get it back to "normal", let alone anything
> else.
but maybe we've exaggerated things? maybe the body isn't really that bad
off. would hate to think we've just blown things out of porportion
>>
>> feels better to be on a diet. there's others that want it to.
>
> soundss like ED talking
:/
we always "diet" this time of year.
>> but now I'm not so sure. guess the body doesn't feel good. wouldn't
>> care but tomorrow we get to see n and n-hubby and kiddo. is probably
>> our only chance while they here. don't wanna ruin it
>>
>> but shay told t we going on a diet and we said it here so now we have
>> to. we started and then we stopped and then we started again. seems
>> like weakness if we can't stick with it for more then a couple days in
>> a row.
>
> false logic
>
> not eating isn't strength. not eating makes body weak and sick and slow
> to heal.
somebody else said that ED is weakness. guess that makes sense. think
being on a diet is easier
guess maybe I know it's not really a diet (think maybe not everyone knows)
<sigh>
wish I could diet
least I not thinking about being d*ad right now
guess maybe I need to find some other alternative
really hate this year
n probably not going to be happy with how thin we are. she wants us to
gain weight. thought we were but guess maybe not. don't mean to upset or
worry people. we try to eat so we not upsetting people. is hard to
remember that though.
anyway, how you doing tonight. just can't seem to read other threads
astri
> Baba Yaga wrote:
>> confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote, in
>> alt.support.dissociation:
>>
>>> our day was long. we slept last night but was all busy busy inside
>>> and bad dreams and waking up. then we got to work and just got
>>> busy. guess we've started a diet too.
>>
>> oh, dear.
>> that sounds not very safe.
>>
> you sure it's not safe?
definitely isn't!
> hate this time of year. hate all the triggers. then there's food
> everywhere. wanna make sure they don't go overboard and eat too
> much. beside, we not been exercising as much.
wouldn't be a disaster if they ate
(is what you say to me)
> feels better to be on a diet. there's others that want it to. but now
> I'm not so sure. guess the body doesn't feel good. wouldn't care but
> tomorrow we get to see n and n-hubby and kiddo. is probably our only
> chance while they here. don't wanna ruin it
having the body get sick because you aren't taking proper care of it
would ruin it
> but shay told t we going on a diet and we said it here so now we have
> to. we started and then we stopped and then we started again. seems
> like weakness if we can't stick with it for more then a couple days
> in a row.
ummmm
that implies that if we said we not gonna eat for two days then we'd
have to do it because we said it.
and it implies that if someone said they were gonna take an overd*se,
then it would be weak of them if they didn't.
stopping is the healthy thing to do. you can't afford a diet.
> dunno what's right. hate this time of year.
understand
eating a balanced set of meals with enough calories to sustain health
is right.
> sorry, lots of posts but we cant much seem to read. don't mean to
> ignore
is ok to take care of yourself
astri
>> wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
>>> Baba Yaga wrote:
>>>> confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote, in
>>>> alt.support.dissociation:
>>>>
>>>>> our day was long. we slept last night but was all busy busy
>>>>> inside and bad dreams and waking up. then we got to work and just
>>>>> got busy. guess we've started a diet too.
>>>>
>>>> oh, dear.
>>>> that sounds not very safe.
>>>>
>>> you sure it's not safe?
>>> hate this time of year. hate all the triggers. then there's food
>>> everywhere. wanna make sure they don't go overboard and eat too much.
>>> beside, we not been exercising as much.
>>
>> as I said elsewhere, I think it would be exceedingly difficult for
>> you guys to eat too much. think your body has had too little for so
>> long that it would take a lot to get it back to "normal", let alone
>> anything else.
>
> but maybe we've exaggerated things? maybe the body isn't really that
> bad off. would hate to think we've just blown things out of
> porportion
did you not really faint at the hospital?
did you not really have clothes that were too big and sis-in-law didn't
comment that you needed new clothes?
>>> feels better to be on a diet. there's others that want it to.
>>
>> soundss like ED talking
>
> :/
>
> we always "diet" this time of year.
sigh
control
>>> but now I'm not so sure. guess the body doesn't feel good. wouldn't
>>> care but tomorrow we get to see n and n-hubby and kiddo. is
>>> probably our only chance while they here. don't wanna ruin it
>>>
>>> but shay told t we going on a diet and we said it here so now we
>>> have to. we started and then we stopped and then we started again.
>>> seems like weakness if we can't stick with it for more then a
>>> couple days in a row.
>>
>> false logic
>>
>> not eating isn't strength. not eating makes body weak and sick and
>> slow to heal.
>
> somebody else said that ED is weakness. guess that makes sense. think
> being on a diet is easier
yes, is weakness
is the easy way
> guess maybe I know it's not really a diet (think maybe not everyone
> knows)
who doesn't?
> <sigh>
sigh
> wish I could diet
understand
> least I not thinking about being d*ad right now
good
> guess maybe I need to find some other alternative
would be good
> really hate this year
regrets
> n probably not going to be happy with how thin we are. she wants us
> to gain weight. thought we were but guess maybe not. don't mean to
> upset or worry people. we try to eat so we not upsetting people. is
> hard to remember that though.
understand
Shiyiya
> Shiyiya wrote:
>> wolfie of confuzzled wrote:
>>> Baba Yaga wrote:
>>>> confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote, in
>>>> alt.support.dissociation:
>>>>
>>>>> our day was long. we slept last night but was all busy busy inside
>>>>> and bad dreams and waking up. then we got to work and just got
>>>>> busy. guess we've started a diet too.
>>>>
>>>> oh, dear.
>>>> that sounds not very safe.
>>>>
>>> you sure it's not safe?
>>> hate this time of year. hate all the triggers. then there's food
>>> everywhere. wanna make sure they don't go overboard and eat too much.
>>> beside, we not been exercising as much.
>>
>> as I said elsewhere, I think it would be exceedingly difficult for you
>> guys to eat too much. think your body has had too little for so long
>> that it would take a lot to get it back to "normal", let alone
>> anything else.
>
> but maybe we've exaggerated things? maybe the body isn't really that bad
> off. would hate to think we've just blown things out of porportion
Skipping meals is not healthy wolfie. I don't there there is a possible
situation where it's a good idea, other than the kind of brief fasts you
ahve to do before some medical proccedures.
>
>>>
>>> feels better to be on a diet. there's others that want it to.
>>
>> soundss like ED talking
>
> :/
>
> we always "diet" this time of year.
>
>>> but now I'm not so sure. guess the body doesn't feel good. wouldn't
>>> care but tomorrow we get to see n and n-hubby and kiddo. is probably
>>> our only chance while they here. don't wanna ruin it
>>>
>>> but shay told t we going on a diet and we said it here so now we have
>>> to. we started and then we stopped and then we started again. seems
>>> like weakness if we can't stick with it for more then a couple days
>>> in a row.
>>
>> false logic
>>
>> not eating isn't strength. not eating makes body weak and sick and
>> slow to heal.
>
> somebody else said that ED is weakness. guess that makes sense. think
> being on a diet is easier
then why would being on it mean strength?
> guess maybe I know it's not really a diet (think maybe not everyone knows)
>
> <sigh>
>
> wish I could diet
> least I not thinking about being d*ad right now
> guess maybe I need to find some other alternative
>
> really hate this year
>
> n probably not going to be happy with how thin we are. she wants us to
> gain weight. thought we were but guess maybe not. don't mean to upset or
> worry people. we try to eat so we not upsetting people. is hard to
> remember that though.
>
> anyway, how you doing tonight. just can't seem to read other threads
having horrible day. see you replied to our other thread now.
Baba Yaga
>Yes, you have to do what seems safest in the moment. Your wife was
>with you, right? Maybe _she_ could have taken the picture from
>outside. If they don't know who she is they wouldn't have paid any
>attention to someone walking by, maybe. I dunno. Pictures and
>reporting them to police and speaking up (here, with t'pist, etc)
>is a very smart thing to do.
Separating for emphasis.
>Stuff like this only flourishes in
>secret and fear.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
& yes!
>Once you take your power and strength and say NO
>and STOP, you aren't an easy target and not as much fun to mess with.
Yup.
Is growth.
Baba Yaga
--
External things are no more like the perceptions they give rise to,
than wine is similar to intoxication, or opium to the delirium which
it produces.
- John Playfair
Baba Yaga
alt.support.dissociation:
>Baba Yaga wrote:
>> confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote, in
>> alt.support.dissociation:
>>
>>> our day was long. we slept last night but was all busy busy inside and
>>> bad dreams and waking up. then we got to work and just got busy. guess
>>> we've started a diet too.
>>
>> oh, dear.
>> that sounds not very safe.
>>
>you sure it's not safe?
for you, as things are? yes.
>hate this time of year. hate all the triggers.
mmmmhm.
>then there's food
>everywhere. wanna make sure they don't go overboard and eat too much.
understand. is difficult season.
but 'not eating too much' is not the same as dieting, esp. if dieting
involves skipping meals.
also, you said recently you'd lost *more weight. have some leeway,
prolly would be good to regain some.
think it's over-reaction (very understandable over-reaction) fed by
ED.
is too short a season for anyone but a dedicated over-eater to really
be sabotaged by, and don't *think any of you'd be very happy with
dedicated over-eating. over-abundance of highly calorific, often
rather low quality grub inconveniences a lot of people, but
inconvenience is by and large all (despite the avid dieters' ritual,
and sometimes rather phony, lamentations). for you might well even be
healthful.
>beside, we not been exercising as much.
<<little surprised pleasure>>
that sounds good. remember over-exercising was becoming a problem.
>feels better to be on a diet.
understand that. is illusion of control. feels better than either
admitting uncontrol - dieting for you is just as much uncontrol as
overeating would be -, or illusion of uncontrol.
(think you're worries about over-eating may actually be illusion.
Shay's attuned to bodily needs, so won't eat to surfeit. never had
impression that Oscar regards food as much other than fuel. don't
know that well about fuzzy.)
>there's others that want it to. but now
>I'm not so sure. guess the body doesn't feel good.
is progress to be aware of that. and important to take note of!
>wouldn't care but
>tomorrow we get to see n and n-hubby and kiddo. is probably our only
>chance while they here. don't wanna ruin it
no. is important to have enough to eat so you can enjoy, and they can
enjoy.
>but shay told t we going on a diet and we said it here so now we have
>to.
those are old, bad rules, imposed by people who just wanted to
diminish you.
in the adult world, inhabited by sane people - and it is to be
presumed that your t. is one of those -, changing one's mind is o.k.
neither t. nor anyone here would think the less of you for realising
that you had made a mistake and unmaking it! the more, rather.
>we started and then we stopped and then we started again. seems like
>weakness if we can't stick with it for more then a couple days in a row.
isn't weakness to look after your body. takes strength, because it's
hard thing to learn to do.
>dunno what's right.
>hate this time of year.
mhm. hard in so many ways.
>sorry, lots of posts but we cant much seem to read. don't mean to ignore
it is that way sometimes. really is o.k.
confuzzled
> On 2009-12-21, astri wrote...
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, ubiquity wrote:
>>> On 2009-12-21, astri wrote...
>>>> if you get any more envelopes, put them in baggie and maybe they can
>>>> get fingerprints
>>> Ok. Who is doing this to me? What did we ever do to deserve this?
>> don't know and don't think you deserve it
>
> Do you think our t sent them? Do you think she's testing us? She
> promised never to do that, but we are scared.
>
> T said she was going to order a pizza on wednesday for session. She said
> we can pick what kind. She told vicki it's game day. She said can have
> party and games for littles and it can be safe. She said nobody will get
> h*rt. She said nobody has to do anything. We can call it off anytime if
> we want.
>
> (t)
what's today? wednesday? so, what are you going to do with t? or did it
already happen?
ubiquity
> ubiquity wrote:
>> T said she was going to order a pizza on wednesday for session. She said
>> we can pick what kind. She told vicki it's game day. She said can have
>> party and games for littles and it can be safe. She said nobody will get
>> h*rt. She said nobody has to do anything. We can call it off anytime if
>> we want.
>>
>> (t)
>
> what's today? wednesday? so, what are you going to do with t? or did it
> already happen?
She's coming to pick us up in her car at 2pm and go to her office. She
was telling some of the littles it could be game day today. She is going
to order a pizza even because there's a pizza place in the same shopping
center as her office, so she said it wouldn't be too much cost. She said
she wanted to. She said we've been working really hard.
(t)
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-ubiquity constellation
jill
I absolutely agree with your t'pist! I think you all have done more
work since you met this t'pist than you were able to do total before.
Until now you were simply able to survive. Now you can begin living
and growing and healing. Very hard work, but worth it in the end.
jill
wolfie of confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Baba Yaga wrote:
>> confuzzled <nospamsometi...@gmail.com> wrote, in
>> alt.support.dissociation:
>>
>>> our day was long. we slept last night but was all busy busy inside and
>>> bad dreams and waking up. then we got to work and just got busy. guess
>>> we've started a diet too.
>>
>> oh, dear.
>> that sounds not very safe.
>>
>you sure it's not safe?
>hate this time of year. hate all the triggers. then there's food
>everywhere. wanna make sure they don't go overboard and eat too much.
>beside, we not been exercising as much.
>
>feels better to be on a diet. there's others that want it to. but now
>I'm not so sure. guess the body doesn't feel good. wouldn't care but
>tomorrow we get to see n and n-hubby and kiddo. is probably our only
>chance while they here. don't wanna ruin it
>
>but shay told t we going on a diet and we said it here so now we have
>to. we started and then we stopped and then we started again. seems like
>weakness if we can't stick with it for more then a couple days in a row.
Nope, you can change your mind. You get to do that now. Plus, imo, I
would think it would be better to do a lifestyle change rather than a
diet. Diets don't seem to work for most people, but adjusting what you
eat, how you eat it, when you eat it, etc. and then making that part
of how you live your life seems to work.
>dunno what's right.
>hate this time of year.
What is right, right now, is whatever is going to help you get through
this time as best as possible and with as much time for good stuff and
as little time for bad stuff as possible.
>sorry, lots of posts but we cant much seem to read. don't mean to ignore
We know you are here, even if you aren't _here_ *grin*
ubiquity
> In article <slrnhj4omi....@asus.zero>,
> ubiquity <ubiq...@aftertragedy.us> wrote:
>>She's coming to pick us up in her car at 2pm and go to her office. She
>>was telling some of the littles it could be game day today. She is going
>>to order a pizza even because there's a pizza place in the same shopping
>>center as her office, so she said it wouldn't be too much cost. She said
>>she wanted to. She said we've been working really hard.
>>
>>(t)
>
> work since you met this t'pist than you were able to do total before.
Not sure we were ever doing anything really benefitial before. Was
mostly life skills, DBT, tell us what to do and how we're doing
everything wrong and "not effective".
We can go to thrpy now and talk about whatever, and she'll help direct
it to something helpful. We don't feel so restricted. Don't feel so
pushed or squeezed into a behavioral treatment model.
> Until now you were simply able to survive. Now you can begin living
> and growing and healing. Very hard work, but worth it in the end.
>
> Rainbow Colors (Jill)
Hope someday we do. Near the end of seeing agency thrpst we stopped
talking about lots of stuff, mostly, here, there, everywhere. Try not to
talk about si or self h*te or bad things here anymore.
(t)
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-ubiquity constellation
wolfie of confuzzled
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, confuzzled wrote:
>
>> our day was long. we slept last night but was all busy busy inside
>> and bad dreams and waking up. then we got to work and just got busy.
>> walls up. think maybe we weren't very cooperative.
>
> sigh
>
> was that cuz of the diet?
>
because of stupid h*lidays and going to see foo and too much stuff and
needing to be ok