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They aren't a crisis like. We called and they transfered us to admitting
department. That guy said they can give referals or bring us in for an
assessment to be inpatient. The text messages we've been getting from
unknown numbers are right. We are f*cked.
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> Our t never called back. Doesn't even seem to have her phone on.
> Nobody is here at asd. EB not answering their phone. We are calling
> up to the hsptl and crossing fingers they don't send people out here.
hi
was hard night for you
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Yes. We are so scared. We sitting here crying huddled down on the floor
so we aren't seen from windows. Letting slunkette play video games all
morning. Keeps her from running back and forth.
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> They aren't a crisis like. We called and they transfered us to
> admitting department. That guy said they can give referals or bring
> us in for an assessment to be inpatient. The text messages we've been
> getting from unknown numbers are right. We are f*cked.
not necessarily
try this: 1-800-273-TALK
is national crisis line
Are they ok? We will call. Thank you.
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hi. been messed up in a way that i mostly couldn't read and mostly
don't want to spread my 'stuff' around cause it will only make me feel
worse of myself. i am home for a few hours if you want to email me i
can send you my phone number and you can talk. or i can talk if that
is better. don't feel obliged. no hurt feelings. just offering if it
would help. the email is what shows up here.
wish you had a safer place to live.
know this might sound dumb and not even sure it still is made but
there used to be a cell phone that was made for the elderly that had
some kind of limited service. like five people could call it or you
them, and 911. it was meant to be low cost and not confusing. and it
had big buttons on it. at least i think that is how it worked. the
thing about it that seemed like it might work for you is that even if
others inside gave out the number it wouldn't work. that depends, of
course, on whether i remember this correctly. or can you set up a
permanent block on all messages or calls except from a few selected
numbers? t. pdoc. wife. whoever you choose?
anyway, i'm sorry you have such a frightening nite. think you did
really well managing it all.
betsy
k
don't know how they are
found them online
We are a big mess. Don't want to trigger anybody. Only tried calling EB
because we had set up rules together beforehand to try not to trigger
each other. Thank you for the offer. We don't want to make you feel
worse though.
> wish you had a safer place to live.
We don't feel like anywhere is safe. Kids have annual doc checkups
today. Don't know how we'll even be able to leave the house to go wait
for a bus.
> know this might sound dumb and not even sure it still is made but
> there used to be a cell phone that was made for the elderly that had
> some kind of limited service. like five people could call it or you
> them, and 911. it was meant to be low cost and not confusing. and it
> had big buttons on it. at least i think that is how it worked. the
> thing about it that seemed like it might work for you is that even if
> others inside gave out the number it wouldn't work. that depends, of
> course, on whether i remember this correctly. or can you set up a
> permanent block on all messages or calls except from a few selected
> numbers? t. pdoc. wife. whoever you choose?
Is a good idea. Seems like any channel for contact we stop, we just get
it worse somewhere else though.
> anyway, i'm sorry you have such a frightening nite. think you did
> really well managing it all.
>
> betsy
Thank you. Tried to. Don't know if hiding in a corner all night
repeatedly calling t's phone even though it's turned off is managing
well though. We called her back and left one more message apoligizing
for calling on her day off. Told her we don't keep calling.
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Thank you. Routes to the same place as 1-800-SUI when we called just
now. Is agency run where it connected to. That residential treatment
place we went AWOL three times from and got sent away from crisis
program for crying. They know us. They think we're just a borderline
looking to get more triggered so we'll attempt sui. Thank you for trying
to help. Appreciate it.
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is ok. our worse feeling is about self stuff. your stuff isn't ours so
it doesn't have that kind of impact. if you want to email the rules
you set up with EB so i can be safe for you that might help. is your
choice. i'm not worried about it. if it would help to just talk i can
listen well. sometimes just someone being calm and hearing is a help
for us.
> > wish you had a safer place to live.
>
> We don't feel like anywhere is safe. Kids have annual doc checkups
> today. Don't know how we'll even be able to leave the house to go wait
> for a bus.
>
any money for cab? maybe do some checking about transport programs in
your city. here there is a program where disabled ppl (and that
includes emotionally disabled) can get vouchers from county to use for
taking cab ride within the county. all you have to pay is tip. driver
turns in voucher for cash. we had them at one time cause of so
triggered by bus travel. ended up not using cause felt like we were
just being weak and lazy. was foolish. anyway, maybe see if there are
options and prolly t can help get it set up.
> > know this might sound dumb and not even sure it still is made but
> > there used to be a cell phone that was made for the elderly that had
> > some kind of limited service. like five people could call it or you
> > them, and 911. it was meant to be low cost and not confusing. and it
> > had big buttons on it. Â at least i think that is how it worked. the
> > thing about it that seemed like it might work for you is that even if
> > others inside gave out the number it wouldn't work. that depends, of
> > course, on whether i remember this correctly. or can you set up a
> > permanent block on all messages or calls except from a few selected
> > numbers? Â t. pdoc. wife. whoever you choose?
>
> Is a good idea. Seems like any channel for contact we stop, we just get
> it worse somewhere else though.
>
yes. understand. but if they can't get to you via phone lines then
they have to be out in the real world where it will be easier to catch
them. understand it is terrifying. there is no way to deal with this
and feel safe. that may be part of the hardest thing to know. but you
are safe if you keep doing as you are doing now. you are doing all
the right things to heal and be able to fight back safely. the ugly
ones are not that powerful, even tho i think they taught you to
believe they are. just that everyone inside has to learn that part.
> > anyway, i'm sorry you have such a frightening nite. think you did
> > really well managing it all.
>
> > betsy
>
> Thank you. Tried to. Don't know if hiding in a corner all night
> repeatedly calling t's phone even though it's turned off is managing
> well though. We called her back and left one more message apoligizing
> for calling on her day off. Told her we don't keep calling.
>
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you did the best you could do. you didn't si. you didn't go out. you
called police. you called t. you chose good choices even tho you were
terrified. that is managing. managing doesn't have to mean being in
charge of everything. just managing to not get pulled all the way down
into the darkness again. that is pretty freaking good, imo.
betsy
Ok. We are going to try to rest first while baby is asleep. See how we
feel if we can rest a little first. We will think on it?
>> We don't feel like anywhere is safe. Kids have annual doc checkups
>> today. Don't know how we'll even be able to leave the house to go wait
>> for a bus.
>
> any money for cab?
Not really. Could, but usually save that for emergencies that need a
quick trip. We maybe will call my m*m. Think she said she'd be available
around that time today for a ride.
> maybe do some checking about transport programs in your city. here
> there is a program where disabled ppl (and that includes emotionally
> disabled) can get vouchers from county to use for taking cab ride
> within the county. all you have to pay is tip. driver turns in voucher
> for cash. we had them at one time cause of so triggered by bus travel.
> ended up not using cause felt like we were just being weak and lazy.
> was foolish. anyway, maybe see if there are options and prolly t can
> help get it set up.
There is with medicaid, but kids don't have medicaid anymore. They have
another insurance. The medical transport programs here are by bus
voucher. Agnecy has a deal with cab drivers, but it's only agency and at
case manager's disgression, and they are told only do it if it's
nessesary.
>> Is a good idea. Seems like any channel for contact we stop, we just get
>> it worse somewhere else though.
>
> yes. understand. but if they can't get to you via phone lines then
> they have to be out in the real world where it will be easier to catch
> them. understand it is terrifying. there is no way to deal with this
> and feel safe. that may be part of the hardest thing to know. but you
> are safe if you keep doing as you are doing now. you are doing all
> the right things to heal and be able to fight back safely. the ugly
> ones are not that powerful, even tho i think they taught you to
> believe they are. just that everyone inside has to learn that part.
Wish we could just go to the hsptl, but that's not what it's for. Three
times, we've attempted sui on this same week and been hsptlized. Want to
be home this year.
>> > anyway, i'm sorry you have such a frightening nite. think you did
>> > really well managing it all.
>>
>> > betsy
>>
>> Thank you. Tried to. Don't know if hiding in a corner all night
>> repeatedly calling t's phone even though it's turned off is managing
>> well though. We called her back and left one more message apoligizing
>> for calling on her day off. Told her we don't keep calling.
>>
>> (t)
>
> you did the best you could do. you didn't si.
Well, did earlier in the night in an attempt to keep front. So we did.
> you didn't go out. you called police. you called t. you chose good
> choices even tho you were terrified. that is managing. managing
> doesn't have to mean being in charge of everything. just managing to
> not get pulled all the way down into the darkness again. that is
> pretty freaking good, imo.
>
> betsy
Seems like managing and good things make everything harder. :(
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sigh
>We are a big mess. Don't want to trigger anybody. Only tried calling EB
>because we had set up rules together beforehand to try not to trigger
>each other.
Good rule.
Baba Yaga
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External things are no more like the perceptions they give rise to,
than wine is similar to intoxication, or opium to the delirium which
it produces.
- John Playfair
Would it be bad if we called and lied about our legal name?
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do they have to have your name?
wonder if you can just tell them you'd rather not say and just want to talk
It's agency run. They look up our chart immediately for that strange
crisis plan the creepy guy from day treatment out in there.
> wonder if you can just tell them you'd rather not say and just want to talk
They are not nice. They would interogate until we said.
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bleh
>
>> wonder if you can just tell them you'd rather not say and just want to talk
>
> They are not nice. They would interogate until we said.
>
> (t)
yuck :/
this page here I found
spoiler for sui word in link
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
http://suicidehotlines.com/utah.html
has crisis lines for different places. maybe if you called one for a
different county than you live in it would get you somewhere other than
that agency?
The last time we called, they said to listen to music to distract and
then said they had to get off the phone. They hung up and we took a
bunch of pills.
>> They are not nice. They would interogate until we said.
>>
>> (t)
>
> yuck :/
>
> this page here I found
>
> spoiler for sui word in link
>
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
>
> http://suicidehotlines.com/utah.html
>
> has crisis lines for different places. maybe if you called one for a
> different county than you live in it would get you somewhere other than
> that agency?
Those are all numbers for county health agencies run by the same MHCU as
the agency here. Don't know. Thought maybe the hsptl one would be
independant, but they didn't even actually have one. *sigh* Wish IHC had
one.
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That is a completely and utterly useless crisis line. Ugh. :(
>
>>> They are not nice. They would interogate until we said.
>>>
>>> (t)
>> yuck :/
>>
>> this page here I found
>>
>> spoiler for sui word in link
>>
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>>
>> http://suicidehotlines.com/utah.html
>>
>> has crisis lines for different places. maybe if you called one for a
>> different county than you live in it would get you somewhere other than
>> that agency?
>
> Those are all numbers for county health agencies run by the same MHCU as
> the agency here. Don't know. Thought maybe the hsptl one would be
> independant, but they didn't even actually have one. *sigh* Wish IHC had
> one.
>
> (t)
do you think calling one in a different state would work?
Guess it helps some people? Don't know.
>> Those are all numbers for county health agencies run by the same MHCU as
>> the agency here. Don't know. Thought maybe the hsptl one would be
>> independant, but they didn't even actually have one. *sigh* Wish IHC had
>> one.
>>
>> (t)
>
> do you think calling one in a different state would work?
Maybe. Don't know. We heard Samaritans is a good one to call for si
stuff, but that means calling over the atlantic. :/
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some people call crisis lines and don't tell their name.
another thing you could try is to google crisis phone and then just
call a number in another city.
ick
try this one: (517) 337-1717 (24-hour Crisis Line)
(pasted but splatted)
The Listening Ear Crisis Intervention Center has been open 24 hours a
day, 365 days a year since July 15, 1969. We provide free and
confidential service for telephone and walk-in clients in crisis.
We define crisis as "any situation in which your normal coping
mechanisms are ineffective or unavailable." Our volunteers are trained
to deal with crises that include depression, su*cide, loneliness,
s*xual assa*lt, grief, and many others. We also provide referrals for
services throughout the Lansing area. (The referral database will open
in a new window).
We have an all-volunteer staff. Volunteers receive more than 60 hours
of training before ever picking up the phone. All director and
coordinator positions are filled by volunteers.
we think an all-volunteer agency is more likely to be nice and not just
try to make someone go to a hospital.
i dont like talking to stangers. there even more likely to push meds.
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saved the post for him.
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but they don't have any power to do it
k
ty
we used to volunteer at one like that
long time ago
If they're far away and just on the phone and you don't say your name,
there isn't much they could do about meds.
[crisis line & fake names]
>do they have to have your name?
>
>wonder if you can just tell them you'd rather not say and just want to talk
always use a fake name. decided is safer than not saying. can change
from one fake name to another if need for safety, too.
[interesting present tense there. apparently that option is less
closed than I'd like to think. (would like to think by reason mostly
of internal dynamics.)]
>On 2009-12-22, astri wrote...
hasn't been my experience. of course, am not in US.
if necessary, can simply say, don't have effective meds/ respond badly
to meds.
also, are under no obligation to tell them unsafe truths. can test
out how much they're to be trusted with slowly?
Ok. Sorry.
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how cool :)
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> always use a fake name. decided is safer than not saying. can
> change from one fake name to another if need for safety, too.
true
> [interesting present tense there. apparently that option is less
> closed than I'd like to think. (would like to think by reason mostly
> of internal dynamics.)]
hmmmm
hi. been messed up in a way that i mostly couldn't read and mostly
don't want to spread my 'stuff' around cause it will only make me feel
worse of myself. i am home for a few hours if you want to email me i
can send you my phone number and you can talk. or i can talk if that
is better. don't feel obliged. no hurt feelings. just offering if it
would help. the email is what shows up here.
wish you had a safer place to live.
know this might sound dumb and not even sure it still is made but
there used to be a cell phone that was made for the elderly that had
some kind of limited service. like five people could call it or you
them, and 911. it was meant to be low cost and not confusing. and it
had big buttons on it. at least i think that is how it worked. the
thing about it that seemed like it might work for you is that even if
others inside gave out the number it wouldn't work. that depends, of
course, on whether i remember this correctly. or can you set up a
permanent block on all messages or calls except from a few selected
numbers? t. pdoc. wife. whoever you choose?
Excellent suggestion, imo! Most cell phones have very simple-to-implement
blocking features for both incoming phone calls and voicemail, as well as
text messaging. Also with Slunky's expertise on the computer he shouldn't
have any problem creating a few ring tones to u/l to him phone.
Kc
think once you do something, like self-h*rm, you create an option.
really the option was there before but wasn't a realized or known
option. so, even after you stop that option still exists. And is easier
to think of that option as choice then as... umm... dangers self-created
now that we wrote that dont know if it applies or not or makes sense
think is time for us to be done tonight