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Lesanne

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Feb 7, 2004, 3:24:42 PM2/7/04
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My average for the week was 160. At least I am fairly sure next week will
be a loss. My leader at my meeting (where I was at 159.5) said that it is
probably not realistic for me to try to get to 155 anyway. I put my
measurements into a site that Bob Greene has up, and came out with
"athletic" category at 19. something percent body fat. I am going to quit
trying to lose more and just concentrate on staying in the high one fifties,
y Ya as they say here


Connie

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Feb 7, 2004, 9:42:28 PM2/7/04
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Lesanne:

High 150s sounds like a good weight goal to me. WTG Lesanne!!

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Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/205/155
RAFL 210.5/205/198.5

Fred

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A MAINTAIN below GOAL is a GOOD THING (as Martha would say).

Mind if I ask why the leader thought 155 was not realistic? Bone size
or bone density or?????

What does that Bob Greene site use to make that determination?

And is that "y Ya?" And if so, what does it mean when they say it
down "thar?"

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Nathalie W

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And you know what, the fact that you quit wanting to lose to 155 might make
you go there.
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134.1/101.4/minigoal 99.9 Goal 68 Kg
295.6/223.5/minigoal 220.3/Goal 150 pounds
RAFL 105.3/101.4/96 Kg
232/223.5/212 lbs
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Lynne

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On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:24:42 GMT, "Lesanne" <larn...@rgv.rr.com>
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If you feel good stay where you are. Unrealistic goals that are
impossible to attain just wreck self-esteem. You've come a very long
way, and you need to be proud of your accomplishments. A BF of 19 is
AMAZING!!! You're my hero!

Lynne

Lesanne

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Feb 8, 2004, 9:01:50 AM2/8/04
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Loosely translated y Ya, means "and whatever" "and so on" "and thats it",
that kind of thing. I am a happy camper my own scale is back to 157 this
morning. The leader thinks 155 is not realistic because of my muscle mass,
and the size I am right now, as in measurements. She thinks I am done.
Also, I do still have enough skin to cover 365 pounds although it has done a
fabulous job of shrinking up, It doesn't flake off or anything. And the way
I tend to get Ferociously hungry and feel weak when I try to get below where
I am right now. My bone structure is fairly average, but I began
weightlifting while I was still in the mid 250's and I was not dieting at
the time. I have lost some of the muscle mass, but you can still clearly
see quite a bit of it here and there, particularly in my quads and my
shoulders. Bob Greene uses height, age, weight, waist measurement and sex
(there was no place for "no" in the sex choices so I went with F for
failing). My waist measurement is 29 inches. Also, the top of me (lets not
get too specific) still has two rather large weights that I don't care to
totally lose, they give the body some shape. Y Ya. Gonna stick as close to
157 as I can. She does not think that is realistic either, but whatever.
She thinks the 164 goal is good. But I am not going there.

:) Lesanne
365/160/157
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Lesanne

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It could happen, got back to 157.5 this morning. :)

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Lesanne

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I am a happy camper this morning. I think that history does make some
difference. I used to be quite happy at 200 and thought I would stay there.
Compared to 365, it was truly much better. Compared to now, no contest. I
really think I need to accept this as the spot and learn to modify the mood
swings instead of my size
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Fred

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Interesting info. All of it including Bob Greene forcing you to make
a choice (G)

Now, how do you pronounce Y Ya?

I think the famished is probably a good indication that the body needs
more food. But then again, I would have said that at a HIGHER weight
since I still somewhat believe those damn little fat cells are
secreting hormones demanding to be fed again!!!?????? That would
cause the resultant demand for food????

I'm in hover mode now - up a fraction, down a fraction. I like it
here, too just around 158 or so. At least, the way I feel biking and
skiing....

Sardines (second course) are calling....

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Prairie Roots

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Modifying my size is proving to be MUCH easier than modifying my mood
swings. When you get that one figured out, let us know.

In the meantime, I'm carrying on with strength training and aerobic
exercise. Activity seems to fatigue Sybil/Eve/Jasmine/Tawanda/et al.
It hasn't been this quiet in a long time. LOL

Prairie Roots

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Joyce

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Wow Lesanne, sometimes those other indicators tell us much more than just the
number seen on the scale. Being considered *athletic* is wonderful! I checked
the website out, found out I am *acceptable* according to his little quiz. I'm
not sure if there would be any difference in the reading since it currently is TOM
(ugh!) and chinese dinner last night. <G> Regardless, there was something else
there that opened my eyes up a bit more ... acceptable weight ... 129-158. So why
should I keep hoping for 125? Like you, I think I'm going to quit worrying about
the possibility of seeing the 120's again and work on staying in the low to mid
130's. And work on that body fat that just won't go away. <G>

Congrats on your new and fit body. You've come a long way!!!

Joyce

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Miss Violette

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LOL, Lee, who relates
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Lesanne

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oh man, what a great breakfast, oatmeal and sardines. I love sardines, but
with onion (iced) and ak mak crackers. Bob did not force me, but it did
give me another opinion. And it kind of agrees with all the people who see
me. Nobody is encouraging me to lose any more, even my thin women friends
have all said Stop. The ones that used to look at me like I was nuts when I
wanted to stop at 200 and 180 etc. I get hungry when I overeat, but it is a
different hungry than the hungry that shows up when I hit 156. THAT is an
eat the paint off the walls, dizzy spells kind of hungry. And I do want to
try and build up my upper body strength to where it was when I started this,
which may call for more food. I know I am most likely to get dizzy/hungry
days when I do a real lively weights workout, and have the lower end of my
weight range.

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Lesanne

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THIS is So True. Everyone is yammering away today after 3 days off my
exercise program.... But the cold is Way better.

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Lesanne

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Thanks Joyce. I know muscle weighs. And Burns calories. I have slender
"bones" but long ones? My hands are larger than almost any woman I know,
but I have a tiny wrist measurement. It is hard to use many of the
indicators of frame size. And taller women don't fit right into the
recommended averages as far as calorie consumption goes either. I am
religiously logging every bite right now into diet power to see what my
metabolic rate is, and at this moment it is telling me I am burning 2300
calories a day. I expect that to come down some when I stay at a stable
weight for a couple of weeks. I don't even Want to eat that much. It is
reacting right now to me losing from that evil one six place.

I think you are at a great weight, now build some muscles and those will
burn off any tummy fat that is hanging around :).
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Connie

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Lesanne:

What is the Bob Greene site?

Connie

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Deb in Northern California

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I love your attitude.

F for Failing Sex is great. I am sure most men would choose M for minimal.
LOL

Debbie

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Lesanne

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http://www.getwiththeprogram.com
I hope ;0

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Lesanne

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hehe good one

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Fred

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No, I meant that Bob required you to pick a sex!! (g)

Sardines with onions are fine but too much efforts early in the a.m.
before a ski trip, a GREAT SKI TRIP, as it turns out.

I get that famished feeling after a lot of exercise and it cannot
easily be quenched. Tomorrow is probably going to be one of those
days, which is why I don't believe that Flex's requirement that I eat
all of my activity points on the day of activity is right - not for
_ME_.

I also don't think I can go down much more - Most of my lower body is
muscle but like you, I could work the upper body quite a bit more.
Very little, other than ski poling, works that but my lower body gets
all kinds of exercise. (sipping port now that the skinny cow is
finished) I'm hoping to counter the green tea from sushi dinner as it
appears to keep me awake so the port is intended to redeaden things
(G)

I think you have done great and there is no reason to push down the
range. I think WW has worked wonders and I think that their weight
ranges are pretty realistic and there is a RANGE for a reason - not
everyone should be top or bottom.

Funny, just now at sushi the folks sitting next to me ordered sashimi
(no rice) and I made an Atkins comment. They both said they did WW
(G). He made lifetime and she was also there, I believe. They also
mentioned that they bought the stock when it first went public and did
well. He lost 20 pounds and asked me how much. I said 60 and they
were both dumbfounded - asking about twice more! We had a great time
discussing foods and diets while eating dinner (G)


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Fred

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You know if they ever call you for jury duty you could serve all alone
(sort of!) (G)

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Fred

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It is getwiththeprogram.ORG

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Fred

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(sigh) - I only came out as "fit!" (sniff)

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Miss Violette

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a whole post filled with nsvs that is wonderful to read, Lee

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Connie

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Thanks Fred and Lesanne!!

Connie

Joyce

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I never looked at the official url - I typed in bobgreene.com and my browser took
me to the site you listed. LOL!

Joyce

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Joyce

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at least you can say you are *fit*. I am *normal* or whatever. .1 away from
being fit. <sigh>

Joyce

Lesanne

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OH, the sex issue. :). A wrong number :). I think once there is not a lot
of fat to draw from, when the body is trying to repair tissue it will Insist
on energy sources of some kind. It is truly a different quality of hunger
from that one that I would feel for a couple of weeks when I had to drop my
points? That one was intense too, but perversely almost enjoyable compared
to the exercise and lower weigh induced one. It felt "healthy" or
something, whereas the other feels "CRITICAL". I can't describe it, do you
feel the difference?
good deal on the nice ski trip. I wonder if I could ski.?
Upper body development almost requires resistance training i.e. inside
boring stuff. I am on here putting off starting, but gonna do it this
morning.
I am reminded of green tea by your post, gonna make a pot.

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Lesanne

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PR and I together could make up a jury pool. You know, it is funny, one of
the things that one of my exes said drove him crazy was the way I could
argue both sides of things in the same discussion. That would be the ex
with the brain. As opposed to the ex with the body...

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Lesanne

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oh Thank you Fred, my memory serks...

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Lesanne

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WHAT!??! How can this bee?? Wait, where is fit in that range? I am just
barely in athletic, a half inch more on my waist and I would be outta there.

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Lesanne

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good for you, I wondered how you found it with my messup

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Connie

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Went to that site and even when I get to goal it says I'm overweight.
Tha Nerve!! Apparently he hasn't heard that WW says it's okay for me to
weigh 155... Later that morning ... Oh no WW says that I should weigh
148 since I'm less than 45... oh bummer!! Well I'm not changing my
goal... so there!!

Connie
Confused but sufficiently Happy

Joyce

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Now this I find really bizarre. I enter the exact same stats but use minimal for
the sex choice <G> and come up just under 8.7% body fat, fail that sex thing and
get slammed with 25.3%. Why the huge difference? I know women carry more natural
fatty tissue, but c'mon - I find it pretty dang hard to believe there is THAT much
of a difference. And what if you fall somewhere in between? Like I swear I was
supposed to be born a male, but came out a female ... super wide shoulders, monkey
arms (really need more of a mens sizing shirts as womens are too short in length
and sleeve length, and too narrow in the shoulders). And vice versa ... I know a
few men whose bone/body structure is actually more feminine than my own. <G>

I have what I think of as a normal wrist measurement, but according to charts it
puts me right on the edge of medium/large framed (6.5 inches) - and my wrist bone
really sticks out! I also seem to be blessed with those longer hands - probably
not as long as yours, but not near as tiny as my *petite* daughter ... who happens
to be only 1 inch shorter than me. So where do those of us *tweeners* fall? Or
is this just another one of those *take your best guess* type of things?

One of these days I am going to get out and buy those weights, just have some
other crap to straighten out first. I do have quite a bit of muscle, always have,
probably always will ... just not as much as I'd like. <G> I think I need to
build the muscles in the stomach area - everything else is doin' pretty well. <G>
And yikes ... if I lose more in any area - will it mean going down to even smaller
sizes? I'm in some 6's, some 8's ... depending ... pants already - and those 6's
tend to be pretty hard to find.

I have no idea as to what calorie count I should be consuming - think my daily
trends tend to flucuate way too much right now to even try and figure it out. I
may just have to take a stab at the program you like ... is always fun to play
with new things. <G>

Joyce

Joyce

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I may not be *athletic*, but me is one smart woman. <G>

Joyce

Lesanne

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I had noticed that :)

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Lesanne

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Well if you Were M, then that would be a very small WAIST measurement that
you had there. This thing is using that tool the docs' came up with a
couple of years ago using the waist measurement to figure cardiac risk
factors? The ole apple shaped thing? I am going to go see what I come out
with if I go minimal...

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Lesanne

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snort. 5.6% bodyfat. Right.

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Prairie Roots

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Who needs a husband to argue with? All by myself, the discussion can
get pretty heated.

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Prairie Roots
232/163.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

Lesanne

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yeah me too.
and me too
mee too
yeah
si
an how....

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Fred

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re: hunger

Yes. Earlier on during the early WW, I would do my very steep hike
and try resisting my sandwich trying to limit points within reason.
But the hike made it unreasonable resistance. I would get halfway
down and NEED to eat and I would have to stop and get out the
sandwich. It was not that I had not had a brief snack at the top but
it was not enough.

I try not letting that happen since there is always RESERVE foods in
my lunch bag like gorp and dried fruits and chocolates. The lunch bag
always has additional foods that stays from trip to trip. Too
famished might have me attacking too much of that extra stuff.

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Fred

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I think your goal can be higher if you feel comfortable there, KID!
(G)

Fred

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I approx waist and rounded to 157 where I might plant myself. I did
not toy with the numbers to see what would make me an athlete.

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Fred

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Now, I could ask if those were separate X's or just one with two minds
or two bodies or just you and YOU discussing the one guy but from two
different (personality) perspectives? (G)

You could be a lawyer if you can do both sides with reason.

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Fred

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Well, that's what a friend just lost her patience with - her new
Tanita scale gave too completely different results for the same data
of Weight, height, etc but changed Female to Male and saw such a
change in percentage fat. She now wants to know Tanita's secrety
formula (G)

Prairie Roots

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>Now, I could ask if those were separate X's or just one with two minds
>or two bodies or just you and YOU discussing the one guy but from two
>different (personality) perspectives? (G)

This is beginning to sound a little like the song "I'm My Own
Grandpa."

>You could be a lawyer if you can do both sides with reason.

So far, we've got a jury and attys for the plaintiff AND defense. All
we need now is da JUDGE.

Fred

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One more split and you will have an entire country! (G)

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Joyce

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Dig deep girl, I'm sure you can find in judge in there somewhere. <G>

Joyce

Joyce

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Well, if she figures out that formula - have her pass it along to the rest of us.
I can see where this *formula* might be another one of those general guideline
type things, but there are so many different body types - male and female - that I
really don't see how just one specific body measurement (such as waist) can give a
totally accurate account. Eh, maybe just playing that *close enough* game?

Joyce

Joyce

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I know what you are saying, but it still is mind boggling to me ... maybe my brain
is just tired today. This method definitely does seem to favor those women with
distinctive waists ... not those that have little to no waistline. But I do know
my own flaws and I can't argue that. I also know I'm never gonna have a tiny
waistline - never have so why would I think I would down the road? I'm also
interested to see what next week's measurements will be ... after TOM .. if any
difference at all. LOL Us women sure have a lot of baggage to deal with.

Joyce

Connie

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I guess you can't be athletic and still have a thick waist... hasn't
seen some of the women hockey players that I know!!

Connie

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Yeah, yeah, you deal with baggage but with cars coming with undersized
sparetires, you'd think us guys would be able to have undersized spare
tires, too! (G)

Fred

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That was her beef - somewhere this scale was doing some kind of
computing which seemed based on girl/boy and not real values - she's a
computer programmer and wants to know what's hidden behind the
"curtain!" (G)

Lesanne

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I would make a great lawyer. 2 guys. Very different. Biker, and History
professor.

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i got one.

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Lesanne

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I think it is another guesstimate thing.

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Fred

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Ah, a _WOMEN_ of extremes.

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Miss Violette

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we agree with all of you, Lee
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Joyce

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Feb 13, 2004, 3:09:00 AM2/13/04
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YUP! That is pretty much exactly what I've been thinking. I may have learned a
lesson though. Do NOT measure yourself the day of TOM and the morning after
eating chinese. Results are NOT pretty. LOL! I measured again a few days ago,
results changed dramatically. I am now *fit* and hovering on *athletic*. Guess
this is just like myself ... changes moods whenever it feels like it. <G>

Joyce

Joyce

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Feb 13, 2004, 3:25:14 AM2/13/04
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Fair 'nuff! You are hereby granted permission to have undersized spare tires too.
<G> Evidentally the different phases of my female life also had something to do
with the measurement factor ... checked again earlier this week and the
measurement changed by more than a full inch ... thus moving me into the fit
range, 1% away from the athletic ... which I don't buy either (the athletic part).
I think nothing is gonna please me. <G>

On another wierd note ... official weigh in will be very interesting tomorrow. I
have avoided the scale the entire week, just not in the mood to face the music, so
to speak - also hasn't been forefront on my mind. Hiked down there Wednesday
morning, stepped up, stepped off. Slid the bar thing down to zero to make sure it
was still well calibrated, thinking the boys must have moved it around when moving
things in the basement. Nope, was still where it should be. Stepped back up,
same reading ... a new all time low for me - at least all time low since I was ill
in the early '80's. And this after finally making that decision to stick with 130
for maintanence. We'll see ... maybe it was only playing games with me.

Joyce

Joyce

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Feb 13, 2004, 3:26:11 AM2/13/04
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I wonder how one would go about finding out what IS behind those curtains. Bet
this is something we're never gonna know. <G>

Joyce

Joyce

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Feb 13, 2004, 3:29:40 AM2/13/04
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I knew it wouldn't take long to find one. Now the question is ... is she/he
willing to come out and play the part?

joyce

Connie

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Feb 13, 2004, 11:38:05 AM2/13/04
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Where's my corset...I'm going to be fit yet!! ;-) Maybe in 50 lbs.

Connie

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241.5/204/155
RAFL 210.5/204/198.5

Fred

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Feb 13, 2004, 11:41:31 AM2/13/04
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Well, I await the OFFICIAL results

Fred

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Feb 13, 2004, 11:44:48 AM2/13/04
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Proprietary, I'm sure. The tanita website makes it sound as if it is
validated against studies so I guess there is a difference in the
percent-fat or the normal woman and man who weigh the same and have
the same other appropriate stats (I don't recall if age, height or
what are entered as factors).

Connie

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Feb 13, 2004, 12:30:28 PM2/13/04
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I love it ... an all-time low and she wasn't even trying... ain't that
the way life goes.

Connie

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Connie

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Feb 13, 2004, 12:32:39 PM2/13/04
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Yep. It's enough to drive ya crazy. Wait a minute I am crazy!! Well it's
enough to drive ya to drink then.

Connie

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Fred

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Feb 13, 2004, 3:38:33 PM2/13/04
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Yup - drink - WATER!!!!

Maybe more "interstitial" fat is just pre-supposed for women at any
given weight/age/height. So it makes a generalization when
calculating body fat.

Joyce

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Feb 14, 2004, 2:23:39 PM2/14/04
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Well, they weren't nearly as exciting as the unofficial results. Up a pound from
what it was on Wednesday - wouldn't ya just know it. <sigh> Since I only weighed
myself twice in the week ... on wednesday and on friday ... I decided to not use
the average, just went with the actual reading of 129.5 ... one tenth of a pound
higher than my all-time low since joining ww (which I hit sometime in december).
But it's still well within my maintainence game plan, so I am a happy camper.

Joyce
started ww 2/5/02 ---> 228.8/129.5/150ww goal/140ish personal goal
WW GOAL!!! 2/21/03 ---> LIFETIME 4/4/03
PERSONAL GOAL: 5/16/03

Joyce

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Feb 14, 2004, 2:33:34 PM2/14/04
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That's pretty much exactly what I said when I stepped on the scale ... go figure!
I ate more this last week, exercised less, stayed away from the scale. I also did
away with the flexpoints way of journalling, and went back 100% to the old ww plan
... upped my daily point range and banked/reversed banked away. It makes no
sense to me at all. It could very well be just a shift in water weight. It does
confuse me though as to how the heck I find a firm number where I can maintain.
<sigh> Close to a year into the maintainence game and I'm still playing with
numbers.

Joyce

Miss Violette

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Feb 14, 2004, 3:04:14 PM2/14/04
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excellent, Lee

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Fred

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Feb 14, 2004, 3:53:31 PM2/14/04
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You do realize that we are all playing at this like we are trying to
still lose but also NOT lose while maybe losing is okay but not a good
idea which we then thwart again the next week, etc, etc and who knows
what (G)

Ah, camping - almost getting to be time for that again - in JULY~! (G)
Actually, a Hells Canyon trip may be in the offing in a month or so.
Then again, may save the vacation for other things.

Fred

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Feb 14, 2004, 3:55:30 PM2/14/04
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No you are not. You ARE MAINTAINING. Where were you a year ago?
Where now? And where in between? You lost a bit below but have been
pretty steady, no?

Laura

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Feb 14, 2004, 4:50:51 PM2/14/04
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Stop trying to confuse me <g>

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Prairie Roots

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Feb 14, 2004, 5:15:03 PM2/14/04
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Even as a lifetimer, seeing a new decade lower on the scale must still
be a thrill. Congrats! I love reading your stats, especially as I'm
getting closer to my WW goal and beginning to entertain thoughts about
my personal goal. Thanks so much for sticking around and sharing your
experience.

Prairie Roots


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Miss Violette

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What did you settle on for a journal then? Lee

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Fred

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Feb 14, 2004, 7:57:36 PM2/14/04
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I don't think seeing 140 for me is in the cards which may be why
trying to get lower without a SOLID goal does not work. Accepting a
half decade is probably just not magical enough. And you have pointed
out the one real issue - the rewards for Maintenance have to be just
maintaining. Hover. Up. Hover. Down. Hover, Hover, waffle,
wiffle.... Oh, and the thrill of still seeing myself in a new light -
it is still terrific but so UNconcrete.

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Connie

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Feb 14, 2004, 7:57:34 PM2/14/04
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Excellent results, Joyce, you fit almost athletic person you!!

Connie

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Joyce

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Feb 15, 2004, 3:49:25 AM2/15/04
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HA! I was thinking the same thoughts on Friday when I hit the scales. Not trying
to lose, but still happy to see the numbers down ... then eat more and make up for
it after weighin ... only to cut back down the following days/week to make sure
everything is back where it is supposed to be. Is it us playing games with our
minds, or our minds playing games with us, or is there any difference between the
two? <G> I THINK I have finally realized that I am where I should be. It APPEARS
to be not overly difficult to maintain. Yes, I have to pay attention - but it is
doable. I think I'm thwarting this week. <G>

I've never been into camping, sad to say. My idea of camping is a hotel room
somewhere, with a nice bed and warm, running water. On the rare occassion that I
get a vacation, I'm taking one ... not working harder than I already do at home!
<G> Hub never got into it either, tells the kids he had his fill of camping in
Viet Nam.

Joyce

Joyce

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Feb 15, 2004, 3:57:46 AM2/15/04
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I know we've talked the numbers thing before, and I know that there really isn't a
firm number out there for maintaining. It changes constantly due to many factors.
Yet I still want that firm number! I would feel better with it! Guess that's
what I meant by *playing*. I seem to change that target number week by week,
results don't appear to change at all. Guess that is a good thing?

A year ago, on the button, I was 151.5 - just above my goal (which I reached the
following week). Geeeesh, next week will be my 1 year at ww goal anniversary!
I've lost 20 pounds since then, but yes - overall I have been very steady. I just
realized I need to do some major update work on my weightloss chart - hasn't been
updated since the end of may last year! But I do know that it fell by the wayside
because I was staying on the right path ... seesawing here and there, but overall
... steady.

You're right, as always. I am maintaining ... very happily.

Joyce

Joyce

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Feb 15, 2004, 4:16:07 AM2/15/04
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It is a thrill, even if it is a short lived one. <G> I know it won't stay long,
I'm not actively trying to keep it at that point. But yes ... it sure is nice to
see it pop up once in a great while. I'm a bit selfish on sticking around too.
It helps ME stay where I want to be. I am so afraid that if I ventured off it
would be much too easy to let things go totally out of control again. Guess it's
much like those that continue going to meetings when reaching goal and lifetime
... maybe that accountability issue? I know I'm less active in the newsgroup now,
have a hard time keeping up with everything. But I'm always here reading. I
think it keeps my head in a good place.

Joyce

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Joyce

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Ahhhhhhh, the journal was a tough one. I used the online journal and set my target
point at the highest number in my point range ... then totally ignored the
flexpoint number. In the notes section I set up a list for activity points, for
banked or overage food points, and one more for a daily log of where I was for the
week ... over or under points. It worked fantastically! I had to manually figure
out the numbers, but it wasn't difficult at all. And it really does work much
better for ME than the flexpoint thing.

Joyce

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Joyce

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Feb 15, 2004, 4:47:15 AM2/15/04
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LOL! Thanks Connie. And next month when TOM rolls around again, I know I will
once again be *normal*. <G>

Joyce

Joyce

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Feb 15, 2004, 4:49:25 AM2/15/04
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Maybe that's where we have a tougher time settling into just being happy
maintaining? That reward thing! Somehow just staying the same, floating up and
down a bit, just isn't the same as that steady weekly decline ... even when we
know we should be (and are) thrilled with it. Mentally, it really does mess with
you.

Joyce

Fred

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Feb 15, 2004, 7:02:59 PM2/15/04
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I am beginning to think that I am not earning as many points for my
exercise as I use to. It makes sense but I don't like the idea - how
the heck will I earn my DESSERT points. Today's ski trip just did not
seem like enough points. Oh, it was a hell of trip. Sticky snow
dragging on the bottoms of my skis and it snow flurried the entire
time while foggy. Gee, doesn't it sound like fun (G)

I am doing sushi tonight - forced good food and narrow points.

Camping is generally terrific although there have been days or nights
that were less so. I just love looking up at the stars and being in
the clean mountains altho, there have been days when the amount of
work was extraordinary. Should I admit I can do without the hot water
and shower every day (g)

Fred

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Feb 15, 2004, 7:06:05 PM2/15/04
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Amen, sister. It does mess with me, for sure.

And I am one of the individuals who lost each and every weigh in until
I reached Lifetime. So that first gain was a real downer. Each one
since has been less apocolyptic but that, too, is scary since you also
don't want to turn a blind eye to gains.

Miss Violette

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Feb 15, 2004, 7:01:37 PM2/15/04
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happy anniversary!!! Maybe going into game mode with yourself is how you
maintain? Lee

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Fred

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Feb 15, 2004, 7:12:04 PM2/15/04
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Hey, an anniversary to celebrate - Mudslide or sling or fling is due
(G)

Maybe I will find it and toast you from here. Kind of as I wrote
above in the ski thread, where I don't think I'm earning as many
activity points - there is NO FIXED number. More walking one week,
more stairs doing laundry, a birthday party, a dinner with friends, a
shorter walk, a mudslide, a new offering from Trader Joes, a long
vacation. Each thing will cause the point values to change, weekly or
daily.

Miss Violette

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Feb 15, 2004, 7:07:42 PM2/15/04
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This is exactly why I love WW. The flex does work better for me but I have
had an ongoing problem with the concept of a "day" due to the way we work
and the stuff going on if I picked a specific 24 hours I would just be
screwed, I can go for a long time awake then sleep for my big sleep time
four hours and go again for another twenty so I decided that since I eat at
least every two hours when I can and I eat just a few points at a time, my
new day would start when I reached the end of the day's points, plus three
hours. Three hours is one more than I like to go without eating and about
the amount of time I sleep on average. Since I have done this I have had no
trouble at all sticking to points. Lee

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Joyce

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Feb 18, 2004, 2:27:02 AM2/18/04
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Heaven only knows what goes on in my mind, Lee. LOL But whatever it is, it so
far appears to work for me, and that's what is important. I go up, I come down, I
hover. I think my body shape is changing again also. I found a pair of pants I
purchased on sale last month, tucked them into my closet and forgot about them.
Pulled them out yesterday, tags still on so I know they were unworn ... put them
on and the dang things are saggy in the behind and waist. <sigh> I'm hoping they
will shrink in the wash. DANG! I don't think I've ever said that before. LOL I
also had purchased a stretchy t-shirt for my mom, which was too small for her. I
got lazy and never returned it, so figured I would go ahead and wear it. It's a
cheapie from Wal-Mart, misses size Large, which is what I usually reach for
because of my danged shoulders. Threw the thing on this morning and it's huge.
Oh well, I'm wearing it anyway.

Joyce

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>happy anniversary!!! Maybe going into game mode with yourself is how you

Joyce

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Feb 18, 2004, 2:34:35 AM2/18/04
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Ummmmmmm, trekking away in sticky snow flurries and fog is not MY idea of fun.
Glad you enjoyed it though. <G> I have no good advise to offer you in how to
determine those activity points. I know in the past we discussed listening to our
bodies, refeed/refuel as we feel the necessity. But sometimes that is just plain
old tricky - such as what I've gone through this past week. I've been constantly
hungry - and real hunger, not bored hunger. I know it isn't from over exertion by
any means. Does our body just get into occassional cycles where it demands more
food? Or are those old demons trying hard to come out? Or could the body also be
trying to make up for weeks prior when we didn't give it enough? I haven't quite
figured any of this out, and have a feeling I never will.

Well, I have no mountains anywhere near me to look at ... and I can go in my
backyard and look at the stars. I'll also admit to being able to forego the hot
water and shower daily, but it's still nice to have access to it when the need or
desire arises ... as well as an indoor potty (which I do need on a daily basis).
You aren't going to talk me into camping. <G>

Joyce

Joyce

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Feb 18, 2004, 2:36:46 AM2/18/04
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I wish I could say I made it through the entire weightloss process with no gains,
but I can't. There were several blips throughout the year, gains, maintains,
whooshes ... all in all the end result did turn out the same. I do understand
what you're saying though. That first gain was very traumatic. After that they
kind of came in stride and now they don't bug me in the least ... unless they
occur for more than one week.

Joyce

Joyce

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Feb 18, 2004, 2:39:57 AM2/18/04
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Your sleep schedule (or lack of) sounds much like mine. I'm up between 6:30 and 7
in the morning, hit bed between 3 and 4 - long stretch in between. Sometimes I
knock out on the couch in the evening, sometimes I don't. I still figure my *day*
from the time I get up until the time I go to bed. When I get up the new day, and
new journal, begin ... period. If I ended the day when I ran out of points, I
would have some days that only had 12 hours or less in them ... and also would
have some days that never ended. LOL! Again, it's all in finding what works for
US.

Joyce

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Miss Violette

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Feb 18, 2004, 3:08:48 AM2/18/04
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great clothing NSVs, Lee

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Miss Violette

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Feb 18, 2004, 3:24:54 AM2/18/04
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The days do sometimes last a great deal less than 24 hours but this week I
am actually behind, at this writing I have eaten very little on Tuesday's
journal, I still have 13 points left and wed. is the last day of my week. I
have 32 flex points left. This has been a stressful week. My aunt has been
diagnosed with a fast growing form of cancer and helping my mom deal with
this has caused me some difficulty as not only am I helping her I am
thinking about my own sister. I have decided that I will eat something
point dense to at least get to the weekly min. I already think that not
eating is going to cause me a disappointment at the scale. The sleep is a
family thing, my grandfather, mother, a brother and his daughter all sleep
the same. I don't need much more than four if I am not ill. My mother
sleeps about like I do and she still works full time as an EMT at the age of
65. Lee

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Fred

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Feb 18, 2004, 9:37:48 AM2/18/04
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Oh, I've had some remarkable outdoor potties! (G) Not much more will
be said. The less campers, the more for me! (G)

Fred

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Feb 18, 2004, 9:38:46 AM2/18/04
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NO, NOT MORE THAN ONE WEEK!!! Yikes - I may just make it today or
not???
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