paleo diet and managing coronary heart disease, is there a forum somewhere....
andrew fox
i really want to stop taking some of these drugs i am on after a heart
attack,
i was given and angioplasty and stent when it happened , but i wasnt
in much of a position to argue, my wife would have consented when i
passed out anyway.....
then i was discharged with a mess of drugs and told to take them for
the rest of my life....
the cardiac care nurse hadnt even heard of Q10!!
or shall we start a sub group for cardio care....
andrew
Doug Freyburger
>
> or will it be covered in here?
Note that you can't get real medical advice in any newsgroup or any
forum. Discussing the issue is a different matter.
> i really want to stop taking some of these drugs i am on after a heart
> attack,
> i was given and angioplasty and stent when it happened , but i wasnt
> in much of a position to argue, my wife would have consented when i
> passed out anyway.....
> then i was discharged with a mess of drugs and told to take them for
> the rest of my life....
> the cardiac care nurse hadnt even heard of Q10!!
Just to check - You will work very carefully with your doctor to take
tests to confirm that it's okay to reduce or terminate the use of any
cardiac medication, right? If anyone evr gives any advice otherwise
anywhere on line, run.
My suggestion is to look at combining the principles of low carb and
paleolithic. Consider the two stories of why Dr Robert Atkins got into
the low carb movement. 1) He tried it and it worked on himself so he
studied it until he could write a book on it. 2) He was a practicing
and board certified cardiologist who tried prescribing low fat to his
patients but the few who did manage to follow it for longer than 6
months tended to start getting worse after that. So he started looking
for a system that might be good or bad in the first 6 months but that
had a lower dropout rate and that showed predictable improvement from 6
months on. In other words low carb is heart healthy for a lot of the
same reasons that paleolithic is heart healthy.
Low carbing tends to be based on meat, veggies, eggs, dairy, nuts with
smaller amounts of fruit. Other than dairy that has a very large amount
of overlap with paleolithic. Drop out the dairy (can't get it with a
sharp stick - It does not count to put the stick in the ground as a
fence). Drop specific types of veggies like nightshade relatives.
Control the fresh fruits more carefully than is standard on paleolithic.
Done. ;^)
> or shall we start a sub group for cardio care....
Historically the level of on topic traffic across text UseNet has fallen
year to year for a long time. The number of users stopped growing a
long time ago and it has been in decline for years. In order for a
sub-group to make sense the group would have to see many on topic posts
per year just on that sub-topic. ASD.paleolithic has no on topic
traffic at all for over a year before your recent burst of traffic.
Here is good. There aren't enough posters here to keep the traffic up.
I'm here because I'm a low carbing fan interested in paleo because of
the extensive overlap.
You're a cardio patient asking about potatoes? Not a good idea. Their
main feature is they are fattening food for people who can't afford
enough cheap food to get fat on it. Potatoes are not a cardio patient's
friend.
andrew fox
early season new potatoes are divine!! over the year there is
moderation!
andrew
sf
<dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Here is good. There aren't enough posters here to keep the traffic up.
> I'm here because I'm a low carbing fan interested in paleo because of
> the extensive overlap.
send me to for recipes and lists of good and bad foods? Hubby wants
to try this. He had his stents a few years ago and is doing very
well. Although you'd never look at him and think "unhealthy", he has
all the problems: cholesterol (his good cholesterol isn't high
enough), blood pressure, pre-diabetes and would like to see if going
Paleo helps it any.
> You're a cardio patient asking about potatoes? Not a good idea. Their
> main feature is they are fattening food for people who can't afford
> enough cheap food to get fat on it. Potatoes are not a cardio patient's
> friend.
share one small/medium (depending on perspective) and don't eat them
daily. Like Dave S, he was warned away from fats... and I see that
Paleo dieting also says to buy lean meat and cut away visible fat.
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> Doug Freyburger <dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is good. There aren't enough posters here to keep the traffic up.
>> I'm here because I'm a low carbing fan interested in paleo because of
>> the extensive overlap.
>
> Hi Doug, fancy seeing you here! JK. Do you have any web sites to
> send me to for recipes and lists of good and bad foods? Hubby wants
> to try this.
support for my inconsistent low carbing. I read NeaderThin by Ray
Auddette. It's one of several good books available on the topic. Each
of the popular books on the topic should have at least one support web
forum. You'll be as fast to google for them as I would.
The book NeanderThin suggests a varied exercise plan that can be
implemented by having a list of activities and rolling dice each day to
pick which one to do that day. If you have seen the infomercials about
P90X that claim "muscle confusion" it's that same principle wrapped in a
different package. Ray Auddette apparently does falconry. The only guy
I've ever met who does falconry is in excellent shape. It's a very cool
but very obscure hobby to take up. ;^)
>> You're a cardio patient asking about potatoes? Not a good idea. Their
>> main feature is they are fattening food for people who can't afford
>> enough cheap food to get fat on it. Potatoes are not a cardio patient's
>> friend.
>
> I don't think his cardiologist warned him against potatoes, but we
> share one small/medium (depending on perspective) and don't eat them
> daily.
start with something like this - If you can obtain a food with no
technology more advanced than a sharp stick, and it is healthy to eat
that food raw, then feel free to eat that food either raw or cooked.
Some people will report that potatoes need to be cooked to be
beneficial others think they are fine raw.
Some of the paleo plans observe that humans evolved on the African and
Eurasian land masses so if a plant species is native to Australia or the
Americas they suggest against eating it at least at first. Potatoes are
native to the Americas. Some paleo plans suggest that if any member of
a plant family is toxic don't eat any member of that family. Potatoes
are nightshades and many of that family have very poisonous leaves.
So it depends on which paleo plan you choose and how strict you want to
be on it.
> Like Dave S, he was warned away from fats... and I see that
> Paleo dieting also says to buy lean meat and cut away visible fat.
you can go lean on them if you wish to.
sf
<dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Different paleo plans have different details in their rules.
> They all
> start with something like this - If you can obtain a food with no
> technology more advanced than a sharp stick, and it is healthy to eat
> that food raw, then feel free to eat that food either raw or cooked.
> Some people will report that potatoes need to be cooked to be
> beneficial others think they are fine raw.
> Some of the paleo plans observe that humans evolved on the African and
> Eurasian land masses so if a plant species is native to Australia or the
> Americas they suggest against eating it at least at first. Potatoes are
> native to the Americas. Some paleo plans suggest that if any member of
> a plant family is toxic don't eat any member of that family. Potatoes
> are nightshades and many of that family have very poisonous leaves.
>
> So it depends on which paleo plan you choose and how strict you want to
> be on it.
it's for me. It seems too restrictive. I know I can do individual
meals that way, but not weeks on end of only eating Paleo.
> > Like Dave S, he was warned away from fats... and I see that
> > Paleo dieting also says to buy lean meat and cut away visible fat.
>
> The paleo plans I've read or skimmed don't specify fat verus lean. Thus
> you can go lean on them if you wish to.
Thanks