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Bob Pastorio  
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 More options Jul 9 2003, 10:53 pm
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet.low-carb, alt.support.diabetes, sci.med.cardiology
From: Bob Pastorio <pasto...@rica.net>
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:07:07 -0400
Local: Wed, Jul 9 2003 11:07 pm
Subject: Re: A Brilliant Cardiologist Once Wrote......

Chris Malcolm wrote:

> >See, here we get into credentials. I've been around the world as a
> >foodservice person. Your understandings of how much food is served at
> >typical meals isn't even remotely informed. My assumptions are based on
> >actual measurements in literally hundreds of feeding establishments.

> Ah, that explains where your inflated ideas of food consumption come
> from. There's a big difference between what people eat in restaurants
> and what they eat at home. Except of course in the case of overweight
> people, many of whom have got into the habit of eating three
> restaurant size meals a day.

It explains my "practical understanding" of how different countries and
cultures see their dining needs. Your assumptions are ignorant and
self-serving. In fact, the differences between commercial feeding and
domestic feeding has been well-studied and understood. Because you're
blissfully ignorant of it doesn't mean that everybody is.

> >And both of you missed the point, again. That with two pounds of food
> >distributed across three or more meals means that each will be so small

> Three or *more* meals? I don't know *anyone* who eats more than three
> meals a day who isn't considerably overweight.

Well, then, that settles that. No one who isn't a dirigible eats more
than 3 times a day. Next question. Idiot.

> And where does this
> idea of balance between meal sizes come from? I don't know anyone who
> eats three meals a day of roughly equal size who isn't considerably
> overweight. (I don't know any athletes or heavy manual workers, who
> may wellneed to eat that much, without getting fat.)

It's sneaking that "equal size" in there that lets you steam up and do
your strawman thing. Nicely done. Well, except for the small fact that
no one has posited that but you.

I was illustrating yet another point that sailed over your head that if
the meals were in fact evenly divided, they would be unsatisfying. Not
that it was a prescription.

> >as to be mere snacks and that any hungers between those sparse meals
> >must either go unsatisfied

> If you can't skip breakfast and wait for lunch then I don't think it's
> hunger, I think it's the Pavlovian reaction of frequently stuffed guts
> calling out for their regular stuffing.

Right. Now you're also a physiologist in addition to a nutritionist,
cultural anthropologist, sociologist and all-round social theoretician.
Good on ya, mate.

> >It takes discipline to restrain one self at those buffets. But then
> >again it takes discipline to restrict eating by whatever name you call
> >it. It takes discipline to restrict carbs. Or to eat low-fat. It all
> >takes discipline. But the ones where caloric intake is counted rather
> >than gross weight have actual science behind them rather than some
> >fanciful story about mountain climbers.

> Nutritional science is well known to be one of the "sciences" least
> well deserving of the name. The total failure of nutritional science
> to do anything about the growing epidemic of obesity is a good
> indication of its status.

The utter failure of the human race to colonize space is because those
damned astrophysicists haven't done their jobs. Freakin scientists.
Can't count on them for anything.

What unabated twaddle.

> In fact there is suggestive evidence that
> the failings of nutritional science's comprehension is partly to
> blame. Another good indication of its scientific status is the
> "scientific" basis on which it decided that it would be good for
> people's health to subsitute margarine for butter. The truth is that
> orthodox nutritional science as taught to professional dieticians and
> nutritionists and doctors is scandalously unscientific.

Nutritional science, like all science is an ongoing process, not a
firmament. And, yes, the state of it is in ferment and has been erratic
in the past. But the nature of science is that it's a process that
constantly unfolds. Today's science is the best information we have
today. Tomorrow's will be more precise. And the next day's will be more
exact yet. But that isn't to say

Orthodox nutritional teachings have not been good. Agreed. BTW, there
are no professional "nutritionists" and there are no criteria for
calling oneself that and no accrediting bodies that certify it.
Dietitians are certified, and their history haven't been good. Doctors
haven't been taught about nutrition very much because it's role in
health wasn't well-understood until recently. In toto, the science has
been weak and fragmented. No disagreement.

But not to put too fine a point on it, science is proceeding in quarters
around the world. There is good information and more is emerging daily.
That judgment is based on today's studies. Like all of science.

But, not one scientist has endorsed weighing food rather than analyzing
the contents. Not one professional food scientist has recommended
weighing food. Not one organization, medical, nutritional or otherwise
has suggested we weigh our food. Not even the scale manufacturers
suggest that.

I bet it's a conspiracy... <dark music up>

Pastorio


 
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