A low lesson in the mall

[Bjørn Steensrud]

Went to a small shopping mall today, looking for paint. Small disturbance
outside the shop, I can't see - the attendant rushes out and calls security.
Elderly man lying on the floor, two men help him up and deposit him on a
nearby bench.
Conscious, but pale, shaking, cold sweat. Me: "Do you have diabetes?" He:
"yes ...type 2"
/me tells security guy to get some juice and waves off shop attendant
bringing water. Security guy looks question at me, I mention lows and tell
him I have the same affliction and know the symptoms. Security guy returns
with juice, sits down with man, friendly calm talk, I ask him to make sure
the man gets something to eat soonish.

There are a lot of retired people (including me) using that mall, its coffee
shops and benches. I hope the security guy tells his colleagues - raising
consciousness.

[W. Baker]

Bj?rn Steensrud <bjo...@skogkatt.homelinux.org> wrote:
: Went to a small shopping mall today, looking for paint. Small disturbance

I had a similar situation at a funeral. Once it got settled I told the
director to always keep either regular can s of coke or jusices around for
such emergencies. I don't know if they did it:-)

Wendy

[hemyd]

"Bj�rnSteensrud" <bjo...@skogkatt.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:p0gsf9-...@astilbe.skogkatt.homelinux.org...

I personally feel sorry about the fact that the old man was apparently one
of the many people who are clueless about what dose of insulin will have
what effect on their bg versus what they eat and what they do. People such
as those drift between being hyper and hypo, without knowing what the hell
is going on. At least this man was elderly, and this is probably a good
reason for his ignorance, but many people are in their middle years and
still don't know how to cope.

Henry

[hemyd]

"W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:k0g8da$qr9$1...@reader1.panix.com...

Was the deceased person adequately revived, Wendy...? Sorry - I had to say
it.....

Henry

[Maya Zuiderweg]

hemyd gebruikte zijn klavier om te schrijven :
> "BjørnSteensrud" <bjo...@skogkatt.homelinux.org> wrote in message

This afternoon (at his work) my husband had to support a colleague who
is a pumper.
One minute before he had an interesting converstation with the man,
went off to fetch coffee, was shouted at by another colleague that
first colleague had a hypo, please help!!
Husband ran back to find first colleague going all limp, not responding
when spoken to. Second colleague shoved sweetness into first colleagues
mouth while husband supported him to keep him upright.
When first colleague came 'round, he asked "whats happening, I had an
interesting talk with you, dont remember what happened next".

Doing, one minute youre talking interesting business, daing, youre out.

Nothing had warned him, not any signals..
M.

[Ellen K.]

I think I've posted this before, but it was before you joined us so I'll
post it again:

I have a Type 1 cousin who is a medical device programmer. He wouldn't have
a pump for all the money in the world.

"Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote in
message news:ZbKdnXDySPLPtrHN...@giganews.com...

> hemyd gebruikte zijn klavier om te schrijven :

>> "Bjï¿œrnSteensrud" <bjo...@skogkatt.homelinux.org> wrote in message

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Ellen K. bracht volgend idée uit :

> I think I've posted this before, but it was before you joined us so I'll post
> it again:
>
> I have a Type 1 cousin who is a medical device programmer. He wouldn't have
> a pump for all the money in the world.

I wont either. I'll stay as long with the insulin-pen as I can.
But. Right now Actrapid is stopped from production.
Still..there _are_ two insulins that have the same action profile, so I
can get those.
For as long as these 2 are produced - which is not very long, my
diabetes nurse told me.
After that I also have to be a pumper :-[

GRGRGRGR!!!

Maya

>
> "Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote in
> message news:ZbKdnXDySPLPtrHN...@giganews.com...
>> hemyd gebruikte zijn klavier om te schrijven :

<snip>

[Nick Cramer]

"hemyd" <myd...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "Bj�rnSteensrud" <bjo...@skogkatt.homelinux.org> wrote in message

I'm 77. I've been Type 2 for 20 years, my kid brother even longer. My
parents didn't have it, but my maternal grandfather and paternal
grandmother did. I learned a lot from folks on this NewsGroup. I worry
about my grandkids (ages 12 & 18) and had this exchange with my daughter,
Janet.

"Okay Babo:)
I am waiting for the new insurance docs for them. When I get that, I will
print up your part of this email and follow it to the letter for their next
Dr. appt. [ . . . . ]
Jaye

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:59 AM, Nick Cramer <n_cr...@pacbell.net> wrote:

Apparently, I didn't impress on you how important I think this diabetes
thing is. Let me be more precise. They should find an endocrinologist who
specializes in diabetes and who recognizes the importance of a
low-carbohydrate diet. They should have their A1c checked every year. It
should always be below 6! If the doctor says that above 6 is OK, CHANGE
DOCTORS!!! They should occasionally check their blood glucose. Fasting
blood glucose (FBG), before eating breakfast, should be between 80 and 100.
Two hours after a meal (well, maybe except pizza) it should be below 120.

Yep! This is from dad

--- On Sun, 8/12/12, Jaye T wrote:

From: Jaye T
Subject: Hi Dad:)
To: "Nick Cramer" <n_cr...@pacbell.net>
Date: Sunday, August 12, 2012, 8:45 AM

I received your reply to my email:)
Thanks for what you said and all of the great advice.
[ . . . . ]
I definitely have explained to them about living healthy and staying fit.
They are both very athletic, and workout everyday."

I'm doin' the best I can. ;-))

--
Nick, KI6VAV. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
families: https://semperfifund.org https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/
http://www.specialops.org/ http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ ~Semper Fi~
http://www.woundedwarriors.ca/ http://www.legacy.com.au/ ~Semper Fi~

[Julie Bove]

"Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote in

message news:yuWdnTjIw4b_17HN...@giganews.com...

> Ellen K. bracht volgend idée uit :
>> I think I've posted this before, but it was before you joined us so I'll
>> post it again:
>>
>> I have a Type 1 cousin who is a medical device programmer. He wouldn't
>> have a pump for all the money in the world.
>
> I wont either. I'll stay as long with the insulin-pen as I can.
> But. Right now Actrapid is stopped from production.
> Still..there _are_ two insulins that have the same action profile, so I
> can get those.
> For as long as these 2 are produced - which is not very long, my diabetes
> nurse told me.
> After that I also have to be a pumper :-[
>
> GRGRGRGR!!!
>
> Maya

My brother uses a pump and loves it. Looks horrid to me. I wouldn't want
to have to keep changing the infusion set and there is no way I would want
to walk around with something sticking out of my stomach!

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Julie Bove was zeer hard aan het denken :

_Medical_ _device_ _planner_ does not want to have (use) a pump for all
the monay in the world.
Either he knows how unreliable these things are from his own medical
device planning (my guess) or he is afraid of keeping to change the
infusion sets (also pretty ugh). Or...it may be a long time ago and all
pumps work heavenly nowadays. :-?
M.

[W. Baker]

hemyd <myd...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:


: "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message

No, but he ws happily, not joined by a very nice typee 1 young woman.

Wendy

[hemyd]

"W. Baker" wrote in message news:k0hms9$539$2...@reader1.panix.com...

You never know, Wendy, that nice young woman could have revived him.....

Henry

[hemyd]

"Ellen K." wrote in message news:JIXWr.83$%f1...@newsfe12.iad...

I think I've posted this before, but it was before you joined us so I'll
post it again:

I have a Type 1 cousin who is a medical device programmer. He wouldn't have
a pump for all the money in the world.

My friend Tom is a Type 1 with a pump. he forever talks about his canula
(not sure of the spelling) doing this or doing that - either blocking, or
letting loose unwanted insulin.... He's in the process of getting a new one,
but listening to his tales, I am happy to keep on injecting. But then again,
I am not Type 1 and don't have to inject as often as he does.

Henry

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Het is zￜ dat hemyd formuleerde :

Sheesh I really look forward to become a pumper (*not*)
M

[hemyd]

"Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote in

message news:UJGdnYwQuISPlLDN...@giganews.com...

Tom seems to "tweak" the dose of the pump from hour to hour.... It seems
that it often does what it wants to regardless, and often Tom seems to
adjust his "dose" of bread to make up for the eccentricity of the pump.

I personally prefer to entrust the delivery of the correct dose of Insulin
to myself rather than some external device.....

Henry

[Ellen K.]

As a medical device programmer he has seen first-hand how the companies
release the products without adequate testing. He is not willing to entrust
his life to an inadequately-tested device.

"Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote in

message news:jdWdnc_d8u8VzLHN...@giganews.com...

> Julie Bove was zeer hard aan het denken :
>> "Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote
>> in message news:yuWdnTjIw4b_17HN...@giganews.com...

>>> Ellen K. bracht volgend idï¿œe uit :

[Bjørn Steensrud]

[snip exchange]

Thanks for sharing! Saved for future use.

Both my grandmothers and my mother were type 2 - an overweight brother had
raised bg that normalized when he lost weight ... I have told my children to
watch it. One's a medical doctor so he should know by himself, but the girls
need a Talk like you gave Janet - especially the oldest, now 45.

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Op 17-8-2012, heeft Ellen K. verondersteld :

> As a medical device programmer he has seen first-hand how the companies
> release the products without adequate testing. He is not willing to entrust
> his life to an inadequately-tested device.

So "not enough tested" is the problem. Here we have TNO, independant,
tests BG-meters, for instance. If they also test pumps, I dont (yet)
know.
M.

> "Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote in
> message news:jdWdnc_d8u8VzLHN...@giganews.com...
>> Julie Bove was zeer hard aan het denken :
>>> "Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote
>>> in message news:yuWdnTjIw4b_17HN...@giganews.com...
>>>> Ellen K. bracht volgend idï¿œe uit :
>>>>> I think I've posted this before, but it was before you joined us so I'll
>>>>> post it again:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a Type 1 cousin who is a medical device programmer. He wouldn't
>>>>> have a pump for all the money in the world.
>>>>
>>>> I wont either. I'll stay as long with the insulin-pen as I can.
>>>> But. Right now Actrapid is stopped from production.
>>>> Still..there _are_ two insulins that have the same action profile, so I
>>>> can get those.
>>>> For as long as these 2 are produced - which is not very long, my diabetes
>>>> nurse told me.
>>>> After that I also have to be a pumper :-[

<snippety>

[Maya Zuiderweg]

hemyd drukte met precisie uit :

Me too. But I will have to, as the insulin I use isnt manufactured
anymore. Right now there are 2 companies that jump in the space that
NovoNordisk left: Eli Lilly adn Sanofi Aventis. They both still have a
typ e of insulin that I can use (with little alterationa). But my
diabetes nurse told me that these 2 insulins are also goin out of
production.
What then? I asked. Reply: a pump.
The real reason I will have to use a pump is that I cant have
(injected) insulin in my body at night.
Ive tried that once (Lantus), urged by my then-time diabetes
specialist, but even the lowest dosage made me hypo at night.
With a pump I could turn it off at night, or take it off or sth - she
told me.
I dont like this at all :-[
M.

[Peppermint Patootie]

In article <aOadneOeveRp_rPN...@giganews.com>,
Maya Zuiderweg <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$>
wrote:

> Me too. But I will have to, as the insulin I use isnt manufactured
> anymore. Right now there are 2 companies that jump in the space that
> NovoNordisk left: Eli Lilly adn Sanofi Aventis. They both still have a
> typ e of insulin that I can use (with little alterationa). But my
> diabetes nurse told me that these 2 insulins are also goin out of
> production.
> What then? I asked. Reply: a pump.
> The real reason I will have to use a pump is that I cant have
> (injected) insulin in my body at night.
> Ive tried that once (Lantus), urged by my then-time diabetes
> specialist, but even the lowest dosage made me hypo at night.
> With a pump I could turn it off at night, or take it off or sth - she
> told me.
> I dont like this at all :-[
> M.

I don't understand. If a pump can use a certain kind of insulin, why
can't you use it without a pump?

PP
--
"What you fail to understand is that criticising established authority by means
of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
- Chris Malcolm

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Peppermint Patootie plaatste dit op zijn scherm :

> In article <aOadneOeveRp_rPN...@giganews.com>,
> Maya Zuiderweg <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$>
> wrote:
>
>> Me too. But I will have to, as the insulin I use isnt manufactured
>> anymore. Right now there are 2 companies that jump in the space that
>> NovoNordisk left: Eli Lilly adn Sanofi Aventis. They both still have a
>> typ e of insulin that I can use (with little alterationa). But my
>> diabetes nurse told me that these 2 insulins are also goin out of
>> production.
>> What then? I asked. Reply: a pump.
>> The real reason I will have to use a pump is that I cant have
>> (injected) insulin in my body at night.
>> Ive tried that once (Lantus), urged by my then-time diabetes
>> specialist, but even the lowest dosage made me hypo at night.
>> With a pump I could turn it off at night, or take it off or sth - she
>> told me.
>> I dont like this at all :-[
>> M.
>
> I don't understand. If a pump can use a certain kind of insulin, why
> can't you use it without a pump?
>
> PP

This is what my diabetes nurse told me: the pump uses the super-fast
insulin.
I cant use basal insulin, acts about 22 hours.
Right now I use Actrapid: acts 4-6 hours.
My problem is with the nights: I use no (injected) insulin at night.
Ive tried that once (for 14 days Lantus!) and even the smallest dosage

made me hypo at night.

M.

[Peppermint Patootie]

In article <ztKdnXXqJ6u7WbPN...@giganews.com>,
Maya Zuiderweg <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$>
wrote:

> > I don't understand. If a pump can use a certain kind of insulin, why
> > can't you use it without a pump?
> >
> > PP
> This is what my diabetes nurse told me: the pump uses the super-fast
> insulin.
> I cant use basal insulin, acts about 22 hours.
> Right now I use Actrapid: acts 4-6 hours.
> My problem is with the nights: I use no (injected) insulin at night.
> Ive tried that once (for 14 days Lantus!) and even the smallest dosage
> made me hypo at night.
> M.

I still don't understand. If the pump uses super-fast insulin, why
can't you use the same insulin? Why does it have to come from a pump?

PP

[Nick Cramer]

"Ellen K." <firstiniti...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> As a medical device programmer he has seen first-hand how the companies
> release the products without adequate testing. He is not willing to
> entrust his life to an inadequately-tested device.
>
> "Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote
> in message news:jdWdnc_d8u8VzLHN...@giganews.com...
> > Julie Bove was zeer hard aan het denken :
> >> "Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$>
> >> wrote in message news:yuWdnTjIw4b_17HN...@giganews.com...

> >>> Ellen K. bracht volgend idée uit :

> >>>> I think I've posted this before, but it was before you joined us so
> >>>> I'll post it again:
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a Type 1 cousin who is a medical device programmer. He
> >>>> wouldn't have a pump for all the money in the world.
> >>>
> >>> I wont either. I'll stay as long with the insulin-pen as I can.
> >>> But. Right now Actrapid is stopped from production.
> >>> Still..there _are_ two insulins that have the same action profile, so
> >>> I can get those.
> >>> For as long as these 2 are produced - which is not very long, my
> >>> diabetes nurse told me.
> >>> After that I also have to be a pumper :-[
> >>>
> >>> GRGRGRGR!!!
> >>>
> >>> Maya
> >>
> >> My brother uses a pump and loves it. Looks horrid to me. I wouldn't
> >> want to have to keep changing the infusion set and there is no way I
> >> would want to walk around with something sticking out of my stomach!
> >
> > _Medical_ _device_ _planner_ does not want to have (use) a pump for all
> > the monay in the world.
> > Either he knows how unreliable these things are from his own medical
> > device planning (my guess) or he is afraid of keeping to change the
> > infusion sets (also pretty ugh). Or...it may be a long time ago and all
> > pumps work heavenly nowadays. :-?

QC (Quality Control) is expensive. It's cheaper to just mail out a new
unit. My kid brother worked as QC for an elecronics company. They let him
and the other QC guy go. A year later they were out of business - but they
saved money!

So some people die. They were probably old or real sick, so we all save
money. ;-D

[Nick Cramer]

Peppermint Patootie <peppermin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <aOadneOeveRp_rPN...@giganews.com>,
> Maya Zuiderweg <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$>
> wrote:
>
> > Me too. But I will have to, as the insulin I use isnt manufactured
> > anymore. Right now there are 2 companies that jump in the space that
> > NovoNordisk left: Eli Lilly adn Sanofi Aventis. They both still have a
> > typ e of insulin that I can use (with little alterationa). But my
> > diabetes nurse told me that these 2 insulins are also goin out of
> > production.
> > What then? I asked. Reply: a pump.
> > The real reason I will have to use a pump is that I cant have
> > (injected) insulin in my body at night.
> > Ive tried that once (Lantus), urged by my then-time diabetes
> > specialist, but even the lowest dosage made me hypo at night.
> > With a pump I could turn it off at night, or take it off or sth - she
> > told me.
> > I dont like this at all :-[
> > M.
>
> I don't understand. If a pump can use a certain kind of insulin, why
> can't you use it without a pump?

I wondered about that, too, PP. I'm looking fwd to Maya's reply.

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Peppermint Patootie beweerde :

I use Actrapid for insulin. Actrapid is not anymore produced. The other
one, NovoRapid (the superfast insulin) I only use halfway the evening
as a correction if the Actrapid before dinner was too little a dosage.
Actrapid is an insulin that works for 6 hours with me.
(I have stored an amount of Actrapid in the fridge, if you might wonder
why I still use Actrapid, when its out of production).
NovoRapid on its own does not work long enough for me. It works 3
hours, so I only use that for correction on top of the Actrapid (and
only halfway the evening, if needed).
M.

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Oldmilret formuleerde op zondag :

> So when you run out of Actapid you just take two shots of NovoRapid 3
> hours apart. Problem solved. See that was easy.<G>

Nope, does not work that way at all :/

I use Actrapid as another person uses ...say..Lantus.

I'd be happy if an insulin would exist that has a working span of about
12 hours.
I then could put the NovoRapid "on top" of that 12 hours insulin
(before meals for instance).

Problem being that I cant use longworking insulin as at night I develop
hypo's even with the lowest dose of longworking insulin.

M.

[Ozgirl]

"Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote
in message news:X7ednSfED522-KzN...@giganews.com...

>>> I use Actrapid for insulin. Actrapid is not anymore produced. The
>>> other one, NovoRapid (the superfast insulin) I only use halfway the
>>> evening as a correction if the Actrapid before dinner was too little
>>> a dosage.
>>> Actrapid is an insulin that works for 6 hours with me.
>>> (I have stored an amount of Actrapid in the fridge, if you might
>>> wonder why I still use Actrapid, when its out of production).

Heh, there is a guy who only posts in the misc.health.diabetes
newsgroup. He is still using wither beef or pork insulin (or both) that
expired about 8-9 years ago ;) Maya, you are from the Netherlands aren't
you? I am sure I have seen a newsgroup for your country. It might be
useful to post there too to hear what others are using. Oh, I found it
and you are already there ;)

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Ozgirl heeft ons zojuist aangekondigd :

And there is not mucho going on there..;-)

Sheesh, pork still going strong? So he does not _get_ it anymore, he
just uses old supplies :-?

M.
I'm going to metamorphise into a cat..