Off Topic - Americans killed in Iraq
GrandpaChuck
Americans killed in Iraq as of December 30, 2006 is 3000. United
Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 2, 2006.
As of January 1, 2007 it has been 1339 days since Bush declared,
"Mission Accomplished."
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Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
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Americans killed in Iraq as of December 30, 2006 is 3000. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 1, 2007 it has been 1339 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished."
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis
Jeff
"GrandpaChuck" <Grandp...@B4ME.org> wrote in message
news:79fip2ttl8u6uqfva...@4ax.com...
> THIS IS WHAT THE TOTAL NUMBERS LOOK LIKE
>
> Americans killed in Iraq as of December 30, 2006 is 3000. United
> Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
> Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 2, 2006.
What about all the Iraqis who died? How about all the national treasures
destroyed? How about the disruption to the lives of the Iraqis?
Jeff
calvi...@gmail.com
hoping the new year brings you some happiness. Maybe Pelosi will be
your savior and light up your misery. I will say that YOU are the
primary reason I quit seeking "diabetes support" on
"alt.support.diabetes". Your constant political bitch has sucked the
life out of this group and, I suspect, anyone who has daily contact
with you. Fortunately, I saw your poison 2 years ago and decided to
"opt out" of this, your personal bitch box.
Others, beware.
DesertHare
"You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other
man's freedom. You can only be free if I am free."
"GrandpaChuck" <Grandp...@B4ME.org> wrote in message
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GrandpaChuck
Jeff I have mentioned those losses many, many times. Bush and his oil
baron buddies should have to pay for the damage to the infrastructure,
etc. However, there is no way to bring back the Iraqi lives lost due
to American actions or even to know the numbers, especially now when
Iraqis are killing Iraqis over religion and how to worship Allah. What
a stupid thing to kill others for, but that has been behind more wars
than anything else throughout history.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of December 30, 2006 is 3000. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
rk
news:1167682277....@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: You've been in misery over this for a LOOOONG time Gramps. Here's
Well as much as Chuck contributes to this group and his poliitcal posts
are ALWAYS marked "OT" -- I'd rather have him in the group then someone
like yourself that hasn't contributed nada but seems the need to bitch about
a post marked OT...
My New Year suggestion to you is to pull the flag pole outta yer arse and
contribute or just STFU.
--- another added to my ever growing KF
RK, T1
dx-5/00 asd-7/00
Animas IR1250 pumper
Last A1C: Rising!
ray
You are correct - this is way off topic.
> THIS IS WHAT THE TOTAL NUMBERS LOOK LIKE
>
> Americans killed in Iraq as of December 30, 2006 is 3000. United
> Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
> Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 2, 2006.
>
> As of January 1, 2007 it has been 1339 days since Bush declared,
> "Mission Accomplished."
Funny, I don't recall that President Bush ever declared that. I do recall
a sign saying that which was unfurled by the crew of an aircraft carrier
he visited.
Cheri
--
Cheri
BlueBrooke
> wrote in message <4lsip29jnfqrne4pd...@4ax.com>...
>Failing that, the big "off topic" in the subject line, as well as the
>name of the poster, is ample warning that you don't want to read the
>message, isn't it?
>--
>
>BlueBrooke
>T2/D&E/June 2005
>
>The things that come to those who wait will
>be the things left by those who got there first.
TaniO
(in message
<l8ydnVCfCaZ-EgTY...@wideopenwest.com>):
Well said, Reisa.
TaniO
GrandpaChuck
I am not "in miser over this" at all. I just happen to believe it is a
crime and Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and company deserve to be tried for
war crimes.
If you quit seeking diabetes support because of my sigline then you
weren't really looking for it in the first place. How difficult is it
to just ignore my sigline? What "constant political bitch" are you
talking about? There is still plenty of life in ASD.
Calvin you are crying sour grapes over nothing.
GrandpaChuck
>On 1 Jan 2007 12:11:17 -0800, calvi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>I'm sick of the political crap, too, but it doesn't stop me from
>reading this group. There are tools to make your experience much more
>pleasant for you -- and those around you -- but Google does not
>provide them.
>
>Failing that, the big "off topic" in the subject line, as well as the
>name of the poster, is ample warning that you don't want to read the
>message, isn't it?
"Google does not provide them"? Does Google make it mandatory that you
read what I post? Don't blame me for things I have no control over.
Plus, as you noted, I did not just put OT before the subject but
actually said "Off Topic". Anyone that ignored that and then objects
to its content is just looking for something to bitch about. What a
wonderful way to start the new year ---- NOT.
GrandpaChuck
wrote:
What an eloquent way to say it. ;-)
Thanks.
>
>--- another added to my ever growing KF
>
>RK, T1
>dx-5/00 asd-7/00
>Animas IR1250 pumper
>Last A1C: Rising!
>
--
GrandpaChuck
<Bruce_The...@Rosebud.com> wrote:
>On 1 Jan 2007 12:11:17 -0800, calvi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>Resolving your IP 75.118.24.46 indicates you are with WIDEOPENWEST
>OHIO WOW. Their webpage at http://www1.wowway.com/internet.asp does
>not indicate if they have usenet groups for their subscribers. Since
>you use Google Groups, I assume wideopen does not have usenet access.
>Google groups does not give you filtering capabilities. You may want
>to use a commerical usenet provider so you can use Agent to filter out
>problem posters. Individual net out of Germany is the cheapest I know
>of at about $15 per year at http://news.individual.net/.
>_____________________________________
>http://www.healthdiabeticsoftware.com/ Free
Or possibly just ignore things I post that are OT?
GrandpaChuck
<cactu...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>Clarence Darrow
>"You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other
>man's freedom. You can only be free if I am free."
>
>
Amen brother.
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Grandpa Chuck
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~
Americans killed in Iraq as of December 30, 2006 is 3000. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 1, 2007 it has been 1339 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished."
GrandpaChuck
>On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:58:55 +0000, GrandpaChuck wrote:
>
>You are correct - this is way off topic.
>
>> THIS IS WHAT THE TOTAL NUMBERS LOOK LIKE
>>
>> Americans killed in Iraq as of December 30, 2006 is 3000. United
>> Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
>> Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 2, 2006.
>>
>> As of January 1, 2007 it has been 1339 days since Bush declared,
>> "Mission Accomplished."
>
>Funny, I don't recall that President Bush ever declared that. I do recall
>a sign saying that which was unfurled by the crew of an aircraft carrier
>he visited.
>
Are you naive enough to believe he didn't have it put up?
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of December 30, 2006 is 3000. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 1, 2007 it has been 1339 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished."
Freckles
"ray" <r...@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.01.01....@zianet.com...
> On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:58:55 +0000, GrandpaChuck wrote:
>
> You are correct - this is way off topic.
>
>> THIS IS WHAT THE TOTAL NUMBERS LOOK LIKE
>>
>> Americans killed in Iraq as of December 30, 2006 is 3000. United
>> Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
>> Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 2, 2006.
>>
>> As of January 1, 2007 it has been 1339 days since Bush declared,
>> "Mission Accomplished."
>
> Funny, I don't recall that President Bush ever declared that. I do recall
> a sign saying that which was unfurled by the crew of an aircraft carrier
> he visited.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not certain he said those actual words either, but he certainly implied
them in his speech aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003. The
"Mission Accomplished" banner was in full view as he made this speech.
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the
United States and our Allies have prevailed.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/print/20030501-15.html
Anon
great American tragedy.
Anon
"GrandpaChuck" <Grandp...@B4ME.org> wrote in message
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GrandpaChuck
>Thanks for your posts, we need to be reminded of the consequences of this
>great American tragedy.
>
>Anon
>
Thank you Anon and others that have come to my defense over this
thread.
I find it very sad that some people just cannot stand to be reminded
of the cost in lives lost in Iraq, even if they happen to support it.
Priscilla Ballou
"Freckles" <Freckl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I'm not certain he said those actual words either, but he certainly implied
> them in his speech aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003. The
> "Mission Accomplished" banner was in full view as he made this speech.
And you can bet your booties that if Bush hadn't agreed with it, it
wouldn't have been there.
Priscilla
Priscilla Ballou
calvi...@gmail.com wrote:
If you used a real newsreader, you could have filtered out his posts.
You've done your own self in.
Priscilla
ray
> On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:50:36 -0700, ray <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:58:55 +0000, GrandpaChuck wrote:
>>
>>You are correct - this is way off topic.
>>
>>> THIS IS WHAT THE TOTAL NUMBERS LOOK LIKE
>>>
>>> Americans killed in Iraq as of December 30, 2006 is 3000. United
>>> Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
>>> Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 2, 2006.
>>>
>>> As of January 1, 2007 it has been 1339 days since Bush declared,
>>> "Mission Accomplished."
>>
>>Funny, I don't recall that President Bush ever declared that. I do recall
>>a sign saying that which was unfurled by the crew of an aircraft carrier
>>he visited.
>>
>
> Are you naive enough to believe he didn't have it put up?
Yes. I've been in the U.S. military and I know how these things work. Very
probably a query was sent to the 'president's men' to see if they had any
objection. Non appearing . . .
rk
news:jbljp25g3b6j8n8tp...@4ax.com...
: On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 00:16:19 GMT, GrandpaChuck <Grandp...@B4ME.org>
: wrote:
:
: >On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:01:12 -0800, "Anon" <an...@anon.com> wrote:
: >
: >>Thanks for your posts, we need to be reminded of the consequences of
this
: >>great American tragedy.
: >>
: >>Anon
: >>
: >
: >Thank you Anon and others that have come to my defense over this
: >thread.
: >
: >I find it very sad that some people just cannot stand to be reminded
: >of the cost in lives lost in Iraq, even if they happen to support it.
: "Some people" are reminded every day without any help from you.
:
: It would be refreshing if you were as supportives of others' rights as
: you are of your own. Free speech goes both ways. Marked "OT" or not,
: you have every right to post anything you wish -- as do those who
: disagree with you.
: --
:
: BlueBrooke
: T2/D&E/June 2005
Gee and here I thought this was a "Support group" is it not? Chuck has just
as much right to post his political "bitch" if he so desires... did you ever
think
that perhaps the war very much upsets him, which would cause his glucose
to rise because of the stress.. and this is his way of coming here with what
he considers "friends" to get it off his chest?
Try being a bit more supportive other then telling him NOT to post because
you don't think it's important to you... It is to him... and I find his
posts very
refreshing.
pfft!
RK, t1
Jeff
"GrandpaChuck" <Grandp...@B4ME.org> wrote in message
> On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 17:15:17 GMT, "Jeff" <je...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"GrandpaChuck" <Grandp...@B4ME.org> wrote in message
>>news:79fip2ttl8u6uqfva...@4ax.com...
>>> THIS IS WHAT THE TOTAL NUMBERS LOOK LIKE
>>>
>>> Americans killed in Iraq as of December 30, 2006 is 3000. United
>>> Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
>>> Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 2, 2006.
>>
>>What about all the Iraqis who died? How about all the national treasures
>>destroyed? How about the disruption to the lives of the Iraqis?
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>
> Jeff I have mentioned those losses many, many times. Bush and his oil
> baron buddies should have to pay for the damage to the infrastructure,
> etc. However, there is no way to bring back the Iraqi lives lost due
> to American actions or even to know the numbers, especially now when
> Iraqis are killing Iraqis over religion and how to worship Allah. What
> a stupid thing to kill others for, but that has been behind more wars
> than anything else throughout history.
I totally agree with you.
I just wanted to remind that other people than US, Britiish and Allied
troops have perished, including the people we went into to protect in the
first place.
Jeff
Anon
"Jeff" <je...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:AIkmh.1608$IT2.985@trnddc06...
>
> "GrandpaChuck" <Grandp...@B4ME.org> wrote in message
> news:arjip2hpuvkj4e18l...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 17:15:17 GMT, "Jeff" <je...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"GrandpaChuck" <Grandp...@B4ME.org> wrote in message
>>>news:79fip2ttl8u6uqfva...@4ax.com...
>>>> THIS IS WHAT THE TOTAL NUMBERS LOOK LIKE
>>>>
>>>> Americans killed in Iraq as of December 30, 2006 is 3000. United
>>>> Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
>>>> Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 2, 2006.
>>>
>>>What about all the Iraqis who died? How about all the national treasures
>>>destroyed? How about the disruption to the lives of the Iraqis?
>>>
>>>Jeff
>>>
>>
>> Jeff I have mentioned those losses many, many times. Bush and his oil
>> baron buddies should have to pay for the damage to the infrastructure,
>> etc. However, there is no way to bring back the Iraqi lives lost due
>> to American actions or even to know the numbers, especially now when
>> Iraqis are killing Iraqis over religion and how to worship Allah. What
>> a stupid thing to kill others for, but that has been behind more wars
>> than anything else throughout history.
>
> I totally agree with you.
>
> I just wanted to remind that other people than US, Britiish and Allied
> troops have perished, including the people we went into to protect in the
> first place.
>
> Jeff
So you say we went into Iraq to protect the Iraqi people?
GW said it was because Saddam had WMD's. I don't remember anything about
protecting the Iraqi people until later.
Of course it really was GW's personal vendetta against Saddam for trying to
kill his daddy. Just think about it, 3000 US military killed in GW's
personal vendetta. He should be hung by the same rope they used on Saddam,
after a fair trial of course.
GrandpaChuck
>On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:42:23 GMT, GrandpaChuck <Grandp...@B4ME.org>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:46:37 -0600, BlueBrooke <.@.> wrote:
>>
>>>On 1 Jan 2007 12:11:17 -0800, calvi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>You've been in misery over this for a LOOOONG time Gramps. Here's
>>>>hoping the new year brings you some happiness. Maybe Pelosi will be
>>>>your savior and light up your misery. I will say that YOU are the
>>>>primary reason I quit seeking "diabetes support" on
>>>>"alt.support.diabetes". Your constant political bitch has sucked the
>>>>life out of this group and, I suspect, anyone who has daily contact
>>>>with you. Fortunately, I saw your poison 2 years ago and decided to
>>>>"opt out" of this, your personal bitch box.
>>>>
>>>>Others, beware.
>>>
>>>I'm sick of the political crap, too, but it doesn't stop me from
>>>reading this group. There are tools to make your experience much more
>>>pleasant for you -- and those around you -- but Google does not
>>>provide them.
>>>
>>>Failing that, the big "off topic" in the subject line, as well as the
>>>name of the poster, is ample warning that you don't want to read the
>>>message, isn't it?
>>
>>"Google does not provide them"? Does Google make it mandatory that you
>>read what I post? Don't blame me for things I have no control over.
>
>Trust me -- I only blame you for things you *do* have control over.
>While I appreciate that you properly note some of your political
>rantings as "OT" you also often interject this junk into other threads
>-- this is a good way to get around KFs.
>
>Google does not provide the tools a real newsreader does.
>Is that specific enough for you?
>
>Since it seems you want to get people upset with your constant
>political agenda, I'd think you'd be pleased at your accomplishment,
>not irritated that you are being successful.
Exactly what "constant political agenda" are you talking about? I
don't believe I do any such thing, so please do be specific.
GrandpaChuck
And just who was their Commander and Chief?
--
Grandpa Chuck
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Americans killed in Iraq as of December 30, 2006 is 3000. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 1, 2007 it has been 1339 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished."
GrandpaChuck
You bet your sweet biffie he approved of it.
He looked like a freakin clown getting off the helicopter dressed in a
flight suit, especially considering his military record.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of December 30, 2006 is 3000. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 1, 2007 it has been 1339 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished."
GrandpaChuck
>On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 00:16:19 GMT, GrandpaChuck <Grandp...@B4ME.org>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:01:12 -0800, "Anon" <an...@anon.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks for your posts, we need to be reminded of the consequences of this
>>>great American tragedy.
>>>
>>>Anon
>>>
>>
>>Thank you Anon and others that have come to my defense over this
>>thread.
>>
>>I find it very sad that some people just cannot stand to be reminded
>>of the cost in lives lost in Iraq, even if they happen to support it.
>
>"Some people" are reminded every day without any help from you.
>
>It would be refreshing if you were as supportives of others' rights as
>you are of your own.
And I am whole heartedly.
> Free speech goes both ways. Marked "OT" or not,
>you have every right to post anything you wish -- as do those who
>disagree with you.
--
GrandpaChuck
wrote:
Our oldest grandson is in the Marine Reserves and we know it is only a
matter of when, not if, he will be called on to go to fight in Iraq.
Cheri
won't be picky. LOL
--
Cheri
GrandpaChuck wrote in message
<7pnjp216lkmsv2n60...@4ax.com>...
Freckles
"GrandpaChuck" <Grandp...@B4ME.org> wrote in message
> On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:42:09 -0500, Priscilla Ballou
> <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <JaGdnX4Q5vVuAgTY...@comcast.com>,
>> "Freckles" <Freckl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not certain he said those actual words either, but he certainly
>>> implied
>>> them in his speech aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003. The
>>> "Mission Accomplished" banner was in full view as he made this speech.
>>
>>And you can bet your booties that if Bush hadn't agreed with it, it
>>wouldn't have been there.
>>
>>Priscilla
>
> You bet your sweet biffie he approved of it.
> He looked like a freakin clown getting off the helicopter dressed in a
> flight suit, especially considering his military record.
> -ô¿ô-
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chuck
Bush has always looked like a clown to me, but to be accurate he landed on
the USS Abraham Lincoln in a Navy 4 seat S-3B Viking airplane. A small point
I admit, but one some right winged clown may call you on.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ma¢k
into the madness of usenet:
>You've been in misery over this for a LOOOONG time Gramps. Here's
>hoping the new year brings you some happiness. Maybe Pelosi will be
>your savior and light up your misery. I will say that YOU are the
>primary reason I quit seeking "diabetes support" on
>"alt.support.diabetes". Your constant political bitch has sucked the
>life out of this group and, I suspect, anyone who has daily contact
>with you. Fortunately, I saw your poison 2 years ago and decided to
>"opt out" of this, your personal bitch box.
>
>Others, beware.
if you were telling the truth and had "opted out" as you dishonestly
claimed you would never have read the post and replied to it.
My hope for you is to find self honesty sometime in the new year.
Your anger is an internal problem not caused by Chuck or anyone else
posting here.
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(for a few minutes, we were told) a jet airplane at our expense." Cheap
theatrical photo op.
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oldal4865
GrandpaChuck wrote in message
<79fip2ttl8u6uqfva...@4ax.com>...
>THIS IS WHAT THE TOTAL NUMBERS LOOK LIKE
>
>Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
>
>As of January 1, 2007 it has been 1339 days since Bush declared,
>"Mission Accomplished."
>
You forgot the other numbers:
Innocent people murdered by Saddam: 2,000,000
Chemical Warfare Agents captured in Iraq:
Enough to kill 4,000,000 million more innocent people
(Note: See History Channel, 10:00 p.m. tonight for a better look)
9/11 was botched. They would have killed 50,000 innocent people if they
had executed properly.
They are rich, smart, and fanatical. They said they were coming back.
Now they know how to do it right.
But the Bush Afghanistan/Iraq campaigns have shut down their leadership and
shut down the Saddam Murder Machine. They could easily have killed 100,000
to 300,000 innocent U.S. and Europeans by now but they haven't.
Thank George Bush for stopping this letter Chuck:
"Dear Chuck:
We regret to inform you that your grandchildren were among the 11,000
children and teachers killed in the last terror attack.
We have determined that the chemical agent was VX, manufactured in Iraq.
Because of the immense hazard in dealing with the effects of this agent, we
will not be able to release their bodies, nor allow them to be viewed.
Your grandchildren, and the rest of the murdered children will be shipped
to a hazardous waste incinerator in Texas for disposal.
Because of the large number of victims, we expect the incineration of the
children's remains to take at least six months. We will make a sample of
the commingled ashes of all the victims available to you at that time if you
so request. . . ."
You didn't get that letter Chuck.
Days since last terrorist attack on U.S. soil: 1939
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
Old Al
Peter C
ray wrote:
> > As of January 1, 2007 it has been 1339 days since Bush declared,
> > "Mission Accomplished."
>
> a sign saying that which was unfurled by the crew of an aircraft carrier
> he visited.
>
Blimey, I didn't realise that ! I didn't realise that Gramps has been
lying all along and putting words in Bush's mouth.
Grandpa, please do the decent thing and remove that line from your sig
about Bush declaring "Mission accomplished". An apology would be in
order as well, to Bush and to the rest of the ng.
--------------------------------------------------------
Truth is the first casualty of War.
Ma¢k
<olda...@yahoo.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet:
>Chemical Warfare Agents captured in Iraq:
>
> Enough to kill 4,000,000 million more innocent people
>
> (Note: See History Channel, 10:00 p.m. tonight for a better look)
I'll have to see that one for myself. Last report on the news I saw
still held that there were no weapons of mass destruction including
this type when Iraq was invaded. Yes Iraq was building an arsenal at
one time, but had dismantled it when they were stonewalling the UN
inspectors.
There is no direct ties between 9-11 and Iraq.
Is our propaganda machine now twisting things the same way Al Jazeera
is?
Yes Iraq needed to have the dictator and mass murderer removed from
power. Sadam was murdering innocent Iraqis for years with the full
knowledge of the UN, the USA and The British governments and we did
nothing while they were dying. The no fly zones and embargoes did not
stop the mass killings.
Sadam was hiding right under our noses after the invasion. The only
reason we got him, was because Iraqi civilians found him and turned
him.
The entire world has failed in this matter regarding Iraq. Bush does
not deserve credit for doing under a lie what should have been done
decades ago without the lie.
--
MâckŠŽ Deltec CoZmore Pumper
Peter C
"oldal4865" <olda...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4vuv8vF...@mid.individual.net...
>
> Days since last terrorist attack on U.S. soil: 1939
>
> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
>
and said "So far so good" as he passed the tenth floor windows.
GrandpaChuck
I sit corrected. Golly it is only the second day of the year and
already I have made at least two mistakes.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of January 1, 2007 is 3000. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 2, 2007 it has been 1340 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished."
GrandpaChuck
<peter.c...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Ain't gonna happen. If he didn't say those exact words his meaning was
just as clear as the letters on the banner and he celebrated the false
victory. All the time he had that Cheshire cat grin on his face that
he hasn't lost since the Supreme Court of the United States awarded
him the presidency when he actually lost the election. Jeb did a fine
job of screwing up the vote in Florida when he thought they might just
throw the election in to the courts. GW has been grinning like a
little boy caught with his hand in cookie jar and his pants around his
ankles ever since.
Freckles
"GrandpaChuck" <Grandp...@B4ME.org> wrote in message
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Only two? Then you have a long way to go to catch up with me.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Peter C
> As of January 2, 2007 it has been 1340 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished."
It hasn't been any days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished"
because as someoone pointed out to you Bush has never declared "Mission
Accomplished".
Do the decent thing, take that lie out of your sig. There is enough
trouble in Iraq without people like you twisting the truth for effect.
Is it not bad enough that so many people have died there without you
making it worse by embellishing the facts with lies just to make a
point.
I have seen this sig line of yours on many occasions and of course, I
took it for granted that Bush had said the words you have repeatedly
attributed to him. Now I found I was wrong to trust you, you are a
dishonest propagandist.
Nor do I accept your assurances now that you respect the dead US troops
killed in Iraq, you are just using them for your own political partisan
ends - your juxtaposition of the 3000 figure with a LIE intended to
throw casualty figs into ironic relief shows that.
So I say again, have the decency, courage and character to remove the
lie from your sig.
As it stands the sig doesn't reflect badly on Bush ; such dishonesty
reflects badly on YOU.
Freckles
"Peter C" <peter.c...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1167776637....@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
>> As of January 2, 2007 it has been 1340 days since Bush declared, "Mission
>> Accomplished."
>
> It hasn't been any days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished"
> because as someoone pointed out to you Bush has never declared "Mission
> Accomplished".
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe not, but he definitely implied "Mission Accomplished" in his speech.
"Mission Accomplished" was in that speech to start with, but Donald Rumsfeld
changed it to:
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."[6]
When he received an advance copy of the speech, Secretary of Defense Donald
Rumsfeld took care to remove any use of the phrase "Mission Accomplished" in
the speech itself. Later, when journalist Bob Woodward asked him about his
changes to the speech, Rumsfeld responded:"I was in Baghdad, and I was given
a draft of that thing to look at. And I just died, and I said my God, it's
too conclusive. And I fixed it and sent it back. they fixed the speech, but
not the sign."[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Accomplished
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DersertHare
"Peter C" <peter.c...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1167776637....@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
GrandpaChuck
<Freckl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"GrandpaChuck" <Grandp...@B4ME.org> wrote in message
>news:5ohlp2105r057stj4...@4ax.com...
>> I sit corrected. Golly it is only the second day of the year and
>> already I have made at least two mistakes.
>> --
>>
>> Grandpa Chuck
>> -ô¿ô-
>> ~
>
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Only two? Then you have a long way to go to catch up with me.
>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
LOL
Only two here in ASD that I am aware of so far.
My higher power, other wise known as my wife Laurie who is five inches
taller than me, will remind me oh so gently of any others I make and
don't take notice of.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of January 1, 2007 is 3000. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
GrandpaChuck
<peter.c...@btinternet.com> wrote:
What exactly did he say while standing in front of the banner with the
shit-eating grin on his face?
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of January 1, 2007 is 3000. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 2, 2007 it has been 1340 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished."
GrandpaChuck
You know every time I post the long one showing a star to represent
every soldier killed in Iraq there are a bunch of naysayers who start
throwing flames at me. Why?
That one is easy enough; they don't want any of us to be reminded of
the real cost in the lives of our fathers, sons, brothers, mothers,
daughters and sisters. They think if we aren't reminded we just might
still support this ill conceived war.
Well, you are not going to stop me. The only thing that will do that
is an end to our involvement in the Iraqi's religious war. I would
much rather have inspirational quotes in my sigline and not have to
periodically post the ones with all the stars on it. If there were a
symbol on my keyboard that looks like a person I would use that in
place of the stars. Even better would be a very small representation
of a flag draped coffin.
Some people are still under the illusion that George W. Bush is a good
president. I wish he was, but it just isn't true at all.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of January 1, 2007 is 3000. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 2, 2007 it has been 1340 days since Bush while standing in front of the banner Mission Accomplished said,
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."
GrandpaChuck
wrote:
>On 2 Jan 2007 14:23:57 -0800, "Peter C"
><peter.c...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> As of January 2, 2007 it has been 1340 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished."
>>
>>It hasn't been any days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished"
>>because as someoone pointed out to you Bush has never declared "Mission
>>Accomplished".
>>Do the decent thing, take that lie out of your sig.
I believed it to be true. You will see my sigline has been revised.
Try watching "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" and you will see where
it came from.
>> There is enough
>>trouble in Iraq without people like you twisting the truth for effect.
That is a bald faced lie.
>>Is it not bad enough that so many people have died there without you
>>making it worse by embellishing the facts with lies just to make a
>>point.
I have not done that at all.
>>I have seen this sig line of yours on many occasions and of course, I
>>took it for granted that Bush had said the words you have repeatedly
>>attributed to him. Now I found I was wrong to trust you, you are a
>>dishonest propagandist.
Not by intention and I resent you claiming I have. If you don't like
me sigline why have you read and reread it so many times?
>>Nor do I accept your assurances now that you respect the dead US troops
>>killed in Iraq,
You could not be more wrong. I do indeed have a very high respect for
all of our troops in Iraq.
>> you are just using them for your own political partisan
>>ends - your juxtaposition of the 3000 figure with a LIE intended to
>>throw casualty figs into ironic relief shows that.
Another lie on your part.
>>So I say again, have the decency, courage and character to remove the
>>lie from your sig.
>>As it stands the sig doesn't reflect badly on Bush ; such dishonesty
>>reflects badly on YOU.
FYI, I was not knowingly being dishonest in any way, shape or form.
I now have the proper quote and have made the change. Any thinking
person knows what his intentions were.
BTW, how is YOUR diabetes? I don't recall seeing you posting things
having to do with our disease. Do any of you regulars recall Peter C
asking questions about his diabetes or sharing his experiences?
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of January 1, 2007 is 3000. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 2, 2007 it has been 1340 days since Bush while standing in front of the banner Mission Accomplished declared,
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." IOW "Mission Accomplished."
DersertHare
"GrandpaChuck" <Grandp...@B4ME.org> wrote in message
>
> You know every time I post the long one showing a star to represent
> every soldier killed in Iraq there are a bunch of naysayers who start
> throwing flames at me. Why?
WHY? Maybe people get tired of hearing your war rants. I can google you and
find these rants in everything from Psoriasis Support to OnlinePCTips.com
over the years.
That's why!
Trust me, you're not the the only one who cares about our soldiers.
Maybe it's just time to give it a rest.
Cheri
--
Cheri
GrandpaChuck wrote in message
<4v0mp29cegoi1sdhv...@4ax.com>...
Kurt
Add my "yes" to your poll...although I don't consider myself a
"regular", I'm more like an "above average."
Kurt
GrandpaChuck
<cactu...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>"GrandpaChuck" <Grandp...@B4ME.org> wrote in message
>news:tuulp2ppnlm4qpmrj...@4ax.com...
>>
>> You know every time I post the long one showing a star to represent
>> every soldier killed in Iraq there are a bunch of naysayers who start
>> throwing flames at me. Why?
>
>WHY? Maybe people get tired of hearing your war rants. I can google you and
>find these rants in everything from Psoriasis Support to OnlinePCTips.com
>over the years.
What the hell is OnlinePCTips?
I have never heard of it.
>
> That's why!
>
> Trust me, you're not the the only one who cares about our soldiers.
>
>Maybe it's just time to give it a rest.
Not going to happen so long as one American soldier is still in Iraq.
Now they are saying Bush is going to send something like 20,000 more
soldiers into Iraq to be targets for the so-called insurgents. Is that
what we would be called if someone invaded our country and you and I
chose to fight back?
If you don't like my sigline don't read it. Simple enough?
You must have way, way too much time on your hands if you did that
kind of search on me, especially since I have not been using Grandpa
Chuck for very long at all.
BTW, I also use the same sigline in my emails - even to our elected
officials.
The best thing I can do is just ignore those of you who don't want to
know the true cost of Bush's war.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of January 1, 2007 is 3000. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 2, 2007 it has been 1340 days since Bush while standing in front of the banner Mission Accomplished declared,
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." IOW "Mission Accomplished."
GrandpaChuck
wrote:
>Yes, many times. In ASDUK as well. :-)
Well I don't recall seeing him here before and I don't subscribe to
ASDUK.
DersertHare
"GrandpaChuck" <Grandp...@B4ME.org> wrote in message
We know the cost. You let it consume your life, I don't. Besides I already
have my own little war going on down here. It's called illegal's crossing
the border.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&q=immigration
http://www.numbersusa.com/index
If I want an update on the war in Iraq, I think I'm capable of turning on
the TV.
Peter C
GrandpaChuck wrote:
>
> Americans killed in Iraq as of January 1, 2007 is 3000. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
> Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
> Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
> As of January 2, 2007 it has been 1340 days since Bush while standing in front of the banner Mission Accomplished declared,
> "In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." IOW "Mission Accomplished."
Thanks for seeing sense Chuck and taking the lie out of your sig.
Although you still tarnish your sig by leaving in the IOW bit.
As another poster has pointed out to you, Cheney removed the phrase
"Mission Accomplished" because he said it was too "conclusive" IOW Bush
and the govt did not "declare" Mission Accomplished because they didn't
think it was, even if some ill-advised sailors with the offending
banner thought so.
Freckles
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
That poster was me, and the one that changed the speech was Rumsfeld, not
Cheney. Rumsfeld said "*they* fixed the speech, but not the sign," meaning
the Whitehouse made the change in the speech, but did not have the "Mission
Accomplished" sign taken down. I suggest you go back and reread my post
and/or the link I provided.
Also, it might be a good idea for you to look up the word "semantics" in a
dictionary.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Peter C
"Freckles" <Freckl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
Thanks for the correction - it was Rumsfeld not Cheney who would NOT allow
Bush to declare "Mission Accomplished".
Of course the fact the offending phrase was purposefully deleted from Bush's
speech just makes Chuck's claim that Bush "Declared "Mission Accomplished""
an even bigger lie doesn't it ?
Freckles
"Peter C" <pet...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NO, Chuck's claim is not a lie. ! You didn't look up the word "SEMANTICS"
did you.
The phrase "mission completed" was changed by Rumsfeld to read:
"In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."
Which is a long winded way of saying "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"
Another thing, Rumsfeld does not have the power to allow or not allow Bush
to do anything. The Whitehouse decided to make the change he suggested,
almost certainly with Bush's approval, but the Mission Accomplished banner
was left up, again almost certainly because Bush wanted it left up.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Peter C
Freckles wrote:
> "Peter C" <pet...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:fiOmh.51169$UC.5...@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> >
> > "Freckles" <Freckl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:xLGdnfV8nPnbMQbY...@comcast.com...
> >>
> > Thanks for the correction - it was Rumsfeld not Cheney who would NOT allow
> > Bush to declare "Mission Accomplished".
> > Of course the fact the offending phrase was purposefully deleted from
> > Bush's speech just makes Chuck's claim that Bush "Declared "Mission
> > Accomplished"" an even bigger lie doesn't it ?
>
> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> NO, Chuck's claim is not a lie. ! You didn't look up the word "SEMANTICS"
> did you.
I don't need to, thanks all the same. Its just a simple question - did
Bush or did he not declare "Mission Accomplished ? The answer is NO he
did NOT ; the phrase was deliberately
edited out of his speech because wiser heads found it "too conclusive"
i.e. the mission, whatever it was, had not been accomplished in their
view.
If you read Chuck's NEW sig you will see he has finally done the decent
thing and removed
the lie that Bush "declared" mission accomplished.
> The phrase "mission completed" was changed by Rumsfeld to read:
> "In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."
That's not what you said in your original post, you said ""Mission
Accomplished" was in that speech to start with, but Donald Rumsfeld
changed it". Hmm ... perhaps YOU need to look up semantics in the
dictionary.
Besides which , WHEN he said "In the battle of Iraq, the United States
and our allies have prevailed." It was true. The allies had prevailed
in battle and won the actual war - it is the PEACE that we have lost.
Saying you have won a battle is a far lesser claim than claiming you
have accomplished your mission, that's why Rumsfeld downgraded Bush's
language and removed the big claim about "Mission accomplished".
Of course with hindsight it is easy to see the mistake, we should have
left the Iraqi army largely intact and put one of Saddam's henchman
back in charge, as long as he promised to suppress extremism and be
nice to us with no nonsense about WMDs.
>
> Another thing, Rumsfeld does not have the power to allow or not allow Bush
> to do anything. The Whitehouse decided to make the change he suggested,
> almost certainly with Bush's approval, but the Mission Accomplished banner
> was left up, again almost certainly because Bush wanted it left up.
Rumsfeld reminiscences are ambiguous, he says "they" managed to change
the speech but not the banner, could easily mean he thought the banner
had been left through negligence or incompetence.
But it is back to your obsession with semantics and how you define what
the "mission" was and what tests you would set for judging whether it
had been accomplished or not. If the mission was to destroy Saddam's
regime - that had been accomplished even though Saddam was still in
hiding. If the mission was ( as many people believe outside the US )
simply to take control of Iraq's Oil production and reserves, then that
too had been achieved when Bush spoke.
So if the "mission" had been to knock over Saddam and grab Iraqi Oil
then Bush would have been justified in declaring "mission accomplished"
even if, as we know, he did NOT declare any such thing.
It must be hard on poor old Dubya, a particular phrase is edited out of
his speech and he is prevented from saying it and yet the "urban myth"
persists that he DID say it. Damned if does and damned if he doesn't,
as a major American philosopher ( Bart Simpson ) says.
> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Freckles
Read my original post and the link I provided. "mission completed" was typed
in error and I think even you realized that. But never the less, if you knew
how to read a dictionary you would find COMPLETED and ACCOMPLISHED are
synonyms, which means they have the save definitions..
Hmm ... perhaps YOU need to look up semantics in the
> dictionary.
And you for certain should learn how to use a dictionary, because your
intelligents is not nearly as good as you thought, is it?
Don't worry about Bush's feeling. He like you is an idiot and hasn't got
enough sense to know what's happening around him.
>
>> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
The Weasel
> On 2 Jan 2007 04:58:43 -0800, "Peter C"
> <peter.c...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >ray wrote:
> >> > As of January 1, 2007 it has been 1339 days since Bush declared,
> >> > "Mission Accomplished."
> >>
> >> Funny, I don't recall that President Bush ever declared that. I do recall
> >> a sign saying that which was unfurled by the crew of an aircraft carrier
> >> he visited.
> >>
> >
> >Blimey, I didn't realise that ! I didn't realise that Gramps has been
> >lying all along and putting words in Bush's mouth.
> >Grandpa, please do the decent thing and remove that line from your sig
> >about Bush declaring "Mission accomplished". An apology would be in
> >order as well, to Bush and to the rest of the ng.
> >
> >--------------------------------------------------------
> >Truth is the first casualty of War.
>
> Ain't gonna happen. If he didn't say those exact words his meaning was
> just as clear as the letters on the banner and he celebrated the false
> victory. All the time he had that Cheshire cat grin on his face that
> he hasn't lost since the Supreme Court of the United States awarded
> him the presidency
This is false. The US Supreme Court does not have the power to award
the presidency.
By the time that the court received Bush v. Gore, Bush was already the
certified winner of the state. There were no remedy available from the
court to remove Bush's state certification, nor was there a remedy
availble to allow Gore to win Florida.
For Gore to win after 11/26/2000, he must win a challenge in Congress,
not the courts.
> when he actually lost the election.
Again, this is also false. There is no proof that Gore won the
election. He lost every count/recount in Florida.
> Jeb did a fine
> job of screwing up the vote in Florida when he thought they might just
> throw the election in to the courts.
Once again, this is false. Jeb Bush do not take this dispute to the
courts.
It was Al Gore who joined in the suit from Volusia County (Palm Beach
v. Harris). This gave Gore a recount of 4 Democrat majority counties.
When rememdy of the Florida Supreme Court was carried out, Bush won
that recount, and was certified the winner. It was Gore who again went
to the courts asking for another recount (Gore v. Harris).
Freckles
"DersertHare" <cactu...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:xXGmh.72$TE4...@news02.roc.ny...
To FOXX, no doubt.
>----------------------------------------------------
GrandpaChuck
<cactu...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
I wasn't going to bother answering any of these anymore. However, you
assertion that I "Let it consume you(my) life" is absolutely
hysterical. I have a very full life including hobbies and working
others to achieve a life filled with happiness, serenity and peace
that Laurie and I have. I do not obsess of the mess in Iraq at all. I
simply take note of its cost in sigline in order to remind others.
> Besides I already
>have my own little war going on down here. It's called illegal's crossing
>the border.
So who is going to do the work if you are successful? All of the
Latino immigrants I have met here, be they legal or undocumented, are
hard working people who only wish to better themselves and their
families. Isn't that the American way? I was always taught that is
exactly what it is.
>
>If I want an update on the war in Iraq, I think I'm capable of turning on
>the TV.
Then I guess you need to ignore my sigline and perhaps any other OT
threads that I start.
Killfile me if you feel that is what you need to know, but a number of
regulars here will tell you I have been able to help them by sharing
my experience, strength and hope dealing with my diabetes.
How is yours doing?
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of January 1, 2007 is 3004. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 3, 2007 it has been 1341 days since Bush while standing in front of the banner Mission Accomplished declared,
GrandpaChuck
<Freckl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"DersertHare" <cactu...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
>news:xXGmh.72$TE4...@news02.roc.ny...
>> If I want an update on the war in Iraq, I think I'm capable of turning on
>> the TV.
>>---------------------------------------------------
>
>To FOXX, no doubt.
>
>>----------------------------------------------------
>
To Bill O'Liar, do you suppose?
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of January 1, 2007 is 3004. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 3, 2007 it has been 1341 days since Bush while standing in front of the banner Mission Accomplished declared,
GrandpaChuck
<peter.c...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Giime a fuggin break!!
They were told to make that banner and hang it there and you know it.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of January 1, 2007 is 3004. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 3, 2007 it has been 1341 days since Bush while standing in front of the banner Mission Accomplished declared,
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." IOW "Mission Accomplished."
GrandpaChuck
wrote:
It is not and never has been "Chuck's claim".
It is in fact a quote from Countdown with Keith Olbermann.
Just thought you'd like to know. I didn't give Olbermann credit in my
sigline only because of the space it would take up.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in Iraq as of January 1, 2007 is 3004. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 3, 2007 it has been 1341 days since Bush while standing in front of the banner Mission Accomplished declared,
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." IOW "Mission Accomplished."
Peter C
Well, Gramps, you changed your sig line under pressure from me so I can
definitely "declare" Mission Accomplished !!
GrandpaChuck
<peter.c...@btinternet.com> wrote:
LOL
You and others gave me the quotes so I knew the true facts and was
able to make the correction. I thank you for that.
Some people think I obsess over this. Updating my sigline takes less
than one minute per day. I spend more time only when I start and "Off
Topic" thread with the stars representing the dead. Normally I do that
only when the total reaches another one hundred, although I didn't do
it when it reached 2,900.
I think what I need do is post that for instance when it reaches 3,100
and not answer any that criticize it. I have been told by many readers
they appreciate it when I do take the time to post the longer memorial
to the American dead in Iraq. For those who do not, I suggest they
ignore the thread completely.
Have a wonderful day and watch those darned carbs.
Laurie and I have decided to make further cuts in our carb intake. We
are on a raw celery, cauliflower, broccoli and baby carrots snack food
kick in order to try to kill that craving for sweets and chips. (This
was after she gave me a box of Russell Stover assorted chocolates for
Christmas.) I always have been able to limit myself to one piece of
candy even before diabetes, but why do even that. If I crave chocolate
I can eat one little Nestle Treasure or miniature Hershey, which only
contain 7g of carbs, but those cravings don't strike often.
--
Grandpa Chuck
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Americans killed in Iraq as of January 1, 2007 is 3004. United Kingdom = 127 Other = 123.
Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
As of January 3, 2007 it has been 1341 days since Bush while standing in front of the banner Mission Accomplished declared,
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." IOW "Mission Accomplished."