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 More options May 16 2012, 7:22 pm
Newsgroups: alt.support.diabetes
From: mainframetech <mainframet...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:22:01 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, May 16 2012 7:22 pm
Subject: Re: Dietary supplements increase cancer risk
On May 16, 3:41 pm, deT notsuH <pcird*BACKWAR...@umich.edu> wrote:

> Maybe wickedpedia isn't the best reference to go by....

> Not sure if this link will work for you, but it is the actual article
> referenced in the link posted by Gysde:http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/104/10/732.full
> Since you are most focused on folic acid, here's the relevant section
> (RCT = randomized controlled trial, widely regarded as the gold standard):
> <quote>
> Folic Acid

> Folate, a water soluble B-vitamin, is required for a variety of
> methylation-related processes. Although the terms “folate” and “folic
> acid” are sometimes used synonymously, the latter refers to the
> synthetic oxidized form that is commonly used in fortification and
> supplements, whereas naturally occurring folates are reduced molecules
> that exist in nature in several different forms with various degrees of
> polyglutamation. The association of folate and folic acid with cancer
> risk has been most intensely studied with regard to colorectal
> neoplasia. Although it has been proposed that synthetic sources of
> folate might confer greater protection than natural forms, results of
> one meta-analysis of observational studies of colorectal cancer showed
> that total folate (dietary plus synthetic sources) did not provide
> greater protection than dietary folate. In contrast to observational
> data showing a protective association of folate status with risk, a
> recent meta-analysis of RCTs found no effect of folic acid
> supplementation on risk of colorectal adenomas over the 3-year treatment
> period. In view of these findings, folic acid does not seem to be a
> promising avenue for colon cancer prevention as previously hoped.

> Contrary to the hypothesized benefit, the results of one trial showed
> that long-term folic acid supplementation increases risk of advanced
> colorectal adenomas (relative risk = 1.67; 95% confidence interval =
> 1.00 to 2.80) and of developing three or more adenomas (relative risk =
> 2.32; 95% confidence interval = 1.23 to 4.35). In this RCT, increased
> risk of prostate cancer was also found. Because preclinical studies show
> the potential for a pro-neoplastic effect of folate—at least in animals
> with preexisting neoplasms—the possibility of enhanced carcinogenesis is
> a concern. Consistent with this idea, observational studies have linked
> higher dietary intake as well as higher circulating concentrations of
> folate with increased prostate cancer risk; higher risk of breast cancer
> has also been shown among individuals with higher folic acid intake.
> Whether folic acid supplementation can have adverse effects is a topic
> that needs further investigation. This is particularly important in
> countries such as the United States, where government-mandated folic
> acid fortification of the food supply, which began in 1996, has resulted
> in higher overall intake of this nutrient and use of supplements
> containing folic acid is widespread.
> <endquote>

> And the snippet below, from the conclusions, is priceless:
> <quote>
> Whether these trials will find benefits from supplementation for cancer
> prevention is unknown. In considering the current evidence, many expert
> committees and organizations have made public health recommendations,
> generally concluding that nutritional supplements have little to no
> benefit in preventing cancer (Table 1 [sniped]).

> Given this general consensus, why do so many people in the United States
> continue to use dietary supplements? A large part of the answer lies in
> messages from supplement manufacturers, who suggest that there are
> health benefits, including cancer prevention, from supplements.
> Undoubtedly, use is driven by a common belief that supplements can
> improve health and protect against disease, and that at worst, they are
> harmless. However, the assumption that any dietary supplement is safe
> under all circumstances and in all quantities is no longer empirically
> reasonable. Believers in supplements are sometimes quick to discredit
> caution over supplement use, as they suggest that the tendency of
> mainstream science to ignore nonconventional evidence is tainted or that
> mainstream science is somehow corrupted by its link to a
> medical–industrial complex that seeks to protect profits rather than
> prevent disease. Results of a recent survey showed that most US
> supplement users report that they would continue to use supplements even
> if scientific evidence found them to be ineffective or if the FDA
> specifically deemed them ineffective. Perhaps, it is generally assumed
> by supplement users that these products are as well regulated as
> over-the-counter medications. These beliefs underscore the need for
> efforts by scientists and government officials to encourage the public
> to make prudent decisions based on sound evidence with respect to use of
> dietary supplements for cancer prevention.
> <endquote>

> On 5/16/2012 3:07 PM, Trawley Trash wrote:> On Tue, 15 May 2012 23:35:50 +0200
> > "GysdeJongh"<JonghSevenHundredElevenAtPlanet.nl>  wrote:

> >> Causation is no corelation. All dokters are idiots paid by big
> >> pharma, so they will do anything to deprive us from cheap and
> >> effective solutions. Supplements and vitamins are essential for your
> >> health. The more you take the better of course.
> >> Gys

> >> <http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-05-dietary-supplements-cancer.html>

> >> Beta-carotene, selenium and folic acid - taken up to three times
> >> their recommended daily allowance, these supplements are probably
> >> harmless...

> >    ...

> >> We have a window into less than half of the biology of what these
> >> nutrients are doing," Byers says. "We say generalized things about
> >> them, calling them an antioxidant or an essential mineral, but true
> >> biology turns out to be more complex than that. The effects of these
> >> supplements are certainly not limited to the label we give them. And,
> >> as we've seen, sometimes the unintended effects include increased
> >> cancer risk."

> >    ...

> >> ...Byers says. "My conclusion is that taking
> >> high doses of any particular nutrient is more likely to be a bad
> >> thing than a good thing."

> >    In plain English Byers words translate to: "We don't know, that means
> >    it's possible."

> >    Let's turn to some other sources.

> >    From wikepedia:

> >    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folic_acid

> > !   Cancer

> > ! Many cancer cells have a high requirement for folic acid and
> > ! overexpress the folic acid receptor. This finding has led to the
> > ! development of anti-cancer drugs that target the folic acid
> > ! receptor.[31]

> > ! A meta-analysis published in 2010 failed to find a statistically
> > ! significant cancer risk due to folic acid supplements.[32]

> > ! Some investigations have proposed good levels of folic acid may be
> > ! related to lower risk of esophageal, stomach, and ovarian cancers, but
> > ! the benefits of folic acid against cancer may depend on when it is
> > ! taken and on individual conditions. In addition, folic acid may not be
> > ! helpful, and could even be damaging, in people already suffering from
> > ! cancer or from a precancerous condition. Likewise, it has been
> > ! suggested excess folate may promote tumor initiation.[33] Folate has
> > ! shown to play a dual role in cancer development; low folate intake
> > ! protects against early carcinogenesis, and high folate intake promotes
> > ! advanced carcinogenesis.[34] Therefore, public health recommendations
> > ! should be careful not to encourage too much folate intake.[34]

> > ! Diets high in folate are associated with decreased risk of colorectal
> > ! cancer; some studies show the association is stronger for folate from
> > ! foods alone than for folate from foods and supplements,[35] Colorectal
> > ! cancer is the most studied type of cancer in relation to folate and
> > ! one carbon metabolism. One study concluded that there was not strong
> > ! support for an association between prostate cancer risk and
> > ! circulating concentrations of folate or vitamin B12. The researchers
> > ! noted that while elevated concentrations of vitamin B12 may be
> > ! associated with an increased risk for advanced stage prostate cancer,
> > ! that this was not true of folic acid and that the association between
> > ! B12 and cancer risk required examination in other large prospective
> > ! studies.[36]

> > ! Most epidemiologic studies suggest diets high in folate are associated
> > ! with decreased risk of breast cancer, but results are not uniformly
> > ! consistent. One broad cancer screening trial reported a potential
> > ! harmful effect of much folate intake on breast cancer risk, suggesting
> > ! routine folate supplementation should not be recommended as a breast
> > ! cancer preventive,[37] but a 2007 Swedish prospective study found much
> > ! folate intake was associated with a lower incidence of postmenopausal
> > ! breast cancer.[38] A 2008 study has shown no significant effect of
> > ! folic acid on overall risk of total invasive cancer or breast cancer
> > ! among women.[39] Folate intake may not have any effect on the risk of
> > ! breast cancer but may have an effect for women who consume at least 15
> > ! g/d of alcohol.[40] Folate intake of more than 300 µg/d may reduce the
> > ! risk of breast cancer in women who consume alcohol.[40]

> > ! Most research studies associate high dietary folate intake with a
> > ! reduced risk of prostate cancer.[36] Recently, a clinical trial showed
> > ! daily supplementation of 1 mg of folic acid increased the risk of
> > ! prostate cancer, while dietary and plasma folate levels among vitamin
> > ! nonusers actually decreased the risk of prostate cancer.[41] A Finnish
> > ! study consisting of 29,133 older male smokers observed prostate cancer
> > ! risk had no relationship with serum folate levels.[7] [edit]

> >    And there is no mention of cancer risk here on a government website
> >    for users:

> >    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000723/

> >    There are many known cancer hazards
> >    in foods, for example nitrates used as preservatives.  People who
> >    are serious about reducing cancer risk have a lot of reading to do,
> >    and excess vitamins is among the least of their worries.

> >    You have a long way to go before you have half the evidence of the
> >    link between lung cancer and cigarettes that we had in 1960.  There
> >    is much anecdotal evidence even before this.  Particularly notable
> >    was the death of King George VI from lung cancer in 1952.  The
> >    strong anecdotal evidence connecting smoking and lung cancer was the
> >    reason that those statistical studies were funded.

> >    It is wrong to claim that statistical studies alone prove cause and
> >    effect.  The frequent use of the comparison with tobacco is
> >    disingenuous.  In this case it is even wrong to claim that statistical
> >    studies show the claimed linkage.

> --
> deT notsuH                    bass-ackwards          ude.hcimu@pcird
> After a certain age, if you don't wake up aching in every joint, you
> are probably dead.

"Results of a recent survey showed that most US
supplement users report that they would continue to use supplements
even
if scientific evidence found them to be ineffective or if the FDA
specifically deemed them ineffective."

  An interesting study was done where they gave both sides of it the
placebo, but they told one side they were getting a placebo.  They
still  had noticeably better results than the other side!  Here's the
article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/dec/22/placebo-effect-patients...

   And here's the study:
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.00...

 All this says is that the witch doctors knew what they were doing all
along...:)


 
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