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Bjørn Steensrud

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May 22, 2012, 1:45:56 PM5/22/12
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http://www.newser.com/story/146509/for-a-better-life-move-to.html

( or try no. 2 on the list, which is where I live :-)


hemyd

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May 22, 2012, 6:35:22 PM5/22/12
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"Bjørn Steensrud" <bjo...@skogkatt.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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> http://www.newser.com/story/146509/for-a-better-life-move-to.html
>
> ( or try no. 2 on the list, which is where I live :-)
>
>
G'day Bjørn,

Initially wanting to tell you my "grand narrative" about Australia, I'll
confine myself to describing a week in late November 1999. That was when we
returned from a visit (a pilgrimage) to my native country where we visited
Lodz (the city where my parents and I was born) and a few other towns and
cities.

As I got out of the taxi which pulled up at our driveway on this sunny
morning. the first thing that struck me was the air - it was fragrant! My
nostrils took in the flowers, the trees, the grass... For the previous two
or three weeks I became used to the all-pervasive smell of cigarette smoke
and diesel fumes. This kind of smell was present even in country towns and
parks. You couldn't escape from it. My nose now savoured the pure smell of
suburban Melbourne!

Then I returned to work a couple of days later. I was walking through the
City streets of Melbourne, and as I looked around me, everything was
<clean>! There was no urine and faeces on the boken walls, no rusted stubs
of fallen down balconies...

Also the people - they seemed friendly. As Jewish kid living there until
the age of 9, I became used to the almost daily insults heaped on me by the
locals, and I knew there was little if any such treatment here - here in
Melbourne, Australia.

I was seized by a feeling of elation - elation of being in this wonderful
place - Melbourne Australia. I have toured various parts of Australia on
many occasions over the decades, and there is no other place I'd rather be
in.

Henry.


Ozgirl

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May 22, 2012, 7:01:07 PM5/22/12
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I think Bjorn is preaching to the choir :)


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hemyd

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May 22, 2012, 7:05:48 PM5/22/12
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"Ozgirl" <are_we_t...@maccas.com> wrote in message
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>You can keep your Seine, forget the French Riviera, never mind the Swiss
>Alps, don't bother with Florence..... I'd rather stroll along Melbourne's
>Southbank, ride my bicycle along the coast, have lunch in The
>Dandenongs.... Where do I start???????? No, I have to stop right here -
>before I get carried away.....

Henry


Cheri

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May 22, 2012, 7:07:58 PM5/22/12
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"Ozgirl" <are_we_t...@maccas.com> wrote in message
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My SIL is from near Melbourne. 2 years ago she and my BIL bought a travel
trailer and an SUV in Australia and spent a year traveling through
Australia, then came back to the US for a couple of weeks due to my BIL
could only stay a year with his Visa, then right back for another year of
traveling there. My BIL said it was the most beautiful country he's ever
seen and some of the pics he sent were just beautiful, he especially loved
the Melbourne area. I envy that. Now they're back buying a travel trailer
and an SUV here and doing the same with the US. I envy that too. :-)

Cheri

hemyd

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May 22, 2012, 7:45:45 PM5/22/12
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"Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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Even the humble state of Victoria, although colder than its Northern cousin
(very cold now), has many beautiful attractions - too many to list here.

Henry.


RodS

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May 23, 2012, 4:10:38 AM5/23/12
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Never been overseas except for some off shore islands wish I had enough
money to do the round Australia thing, born here will die here. Nearly a
Victorian Henry, born in Wagga Wagga :-) but couldn't stand those
Victorian winters.

>
>


--
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RodS T2
Australia

hemyd

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May 23, 2012, 4:49:23 AM5/23/12
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"RodS" <fr...@fred.com> wrote in message news:jpi67j$9ng$1...@dont-email.me...
Aaaah - Wagga Wagga! I have fond memories of the beach on the Murrumbedgee
River.... That was many years ago - much too long, Rod!

Henry


mainframetech

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May 23, 2012, 7:58:08 AM5/23/12
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On May 22, 7:07 pm, "Cheri" <cher...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_...@maccas.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a22k4u...@mid.individual.net...
>
> >I think Bjorn is preaching to the choir :)
>
> > "hemyd" <myd!!!...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> >news:moOdnZFbRsiyiCHS...@netspace.net.au...
>
> >> I was seized by a feeling of elation - elation of being in this wonderful
> >> place - Melbourne Australia. I have toured various parts of Australia on
> >> many occasions over the decades, and there is no other place I'd rather
> >> be in.
>
> >> Henry.
>
> My SIL is from near Melbourne. 2 years ago she and my BIL bought a travel
> trailer and an SUV in Australia and spent a year traveling through
> Australia, then came back to the US for a couple of weeks due to my BIL
> could only stay a year with his Visa, then right back for another year of
> traveling there. My BIL said it was the most beautiful country he's ever
> seen and some of the pics he sent were just beautiful, he especially loved
> the Melbourne area. I envy that. Now they're back buying a travel trailer
> and an SUV here and doing the same with the US. I envy that too. :-)
>
> Cheri

Reminds of "Travels With Charlie" by Steinbeck. Took his dog and
traveled the U.S. to all the places he lived in younger years.
Everyone he met told him how jealous they were and they wanted to do
the same thing...:)

Chris

Bjørn Steensrud

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May 23, 2012, 8:46:32 AM5/23/12
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Ozgirl wrote:

> I think Bjorn is preaching to the choir :)

I think so, too :-)

Right now, after a too cold April and a cool start of May, we have > 20 C
and the forests and gardens are greening with unbelievable speed. I'm using
YouTube to find songbird sounds, to identify those I hear around. Birch
pollen season is almost over, we're walking around the nature preserve
nearby ( 8 km walk) and listening to birdsong, looking at the young birds.
The young coots look like punkers with their red head feathers :-)

The fjord is still too cool for swimming, but after the massive effort to
stop polluting it, it's now okay to swim there right in the middle of the
city. That would have been a serious health hazard when I was a kid.

Downtown is not exactly dirty, just littered - and 20 minutes on most public
transportation takes me away from all that, into forests with quiet foot
paths and if I sit down and keep quiet, lots of animal life. A wandering
young wolf was recently spotted inside the city limits, and there is at
least two lynxes claiming hunting grounds in the southeast. Plenty of roe
deer for prey,

Just you wait - we'll make no. 1 next year :-) :-)

RodS

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May 23, 2012, 12:51:15 PM5/23/12
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Just to make you all jealous have a look at what turns up in our
backyards :-)

http://www.birdsinbackyards.net/

ra...@val.com

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May 23, 2012, 4:05:30 PM5/23/12
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On May 22, 5:35 pm, "hemyd" <myd!!!...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "Bjørn Steensrud" <bjor...@skogkatt.homelinux.org> wrote in message
It was my good fortune to have traveled to Australia in the 90s on 4
or 5 occasions. We'd developed a product that a distributor had turned
quite successful and they invited me too various trade shows a couple
of times a year. The memories and impressions are just as strong now
as they were 15 years ago.

The genuine, unpretentious openness of the Australian people is
impossible to portray unless you've been in their company. I had
always considered myself "class unconscous" and "snob free" but soon
learned that American culture has social barriers that are unseen.
Much like the proverial fish that cannot understand the concept of
water. A university professor and brick layer could be friends without
regard to profession in a way that was very uncommon in the US. Not
that a professor would look down on a brick layer in the US, but it is
unlikely that they would hang out together weekends. This was quite
stunning.

The food in Melbourne was incredible. My hosts always finished off the
day with dinner at what seem an exhaustible supply of four star
ethnic restaurants. Incredible.

On one of my trips I stuck around for a brief tour. Visited Darwin and
took a camping expedition that finished with at Uluru and climbing the
beast at sunrise. On another visit, while in Sidney, I took a bus tour
of the Blue mountains. All memories that still bring a smile to my
face.

I didn't take my girl friend at the time and she stills calls to
remind of that trip to Australia that I owe her. She did this just the
other day in fact - I may take her up on it with a stay over in New
Zealand this time.

Regards
Randy

hemyd

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May 23, 2012, 6:22:35 PM5/23/12
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"Bjørn Steensrud" <bjo...@skogkatt.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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> Ozgirl wrote:
>
>> I think Bjorn is preaching to the choir :)
>
> I think so, too :-)
>
> Right now, after a too cold April and a cool start of May, we have > 20 C
> and the forests and gardens are greening with unbelievable speed. I'm
> using
> YouTube to find songbird sounds, to identify those I hear around. Birch
> pollen season is almost over, we're walking around the nature preserve
> nearby ( 8 km walk) and listening to birdsong, looking at the young birds.
> The young coots look like punkers with their red head feathers :-)
>
> The fjord is still too cool for swimming, but after the massive effort to
> stop polluting it, it's now okay to swim there right in the middle of the
> city. That would have been a serious health hazard when I was a kid.
>
> Downtown is not exactly dirty, just littered - and 20 minutes on most
> public
> transportation takes me away from all that, into forests with quiet foot
> paths and if I sit down and keep quiet, lots of animal life. A wandering
> young wolf was recently spotted inside the city limits, and there is at
> least two lynxes claiming hunting grounds in the southeast. Plenty of roe
> deer for prey,
>
> Just you wait - we'll make no. 1 next year :-) :-)
>
>
There is no reason why there can't be many no. 1s, Bjørn! Your description
of Norway makes me envious. Here in Melbourne, although Winter is setting
in, there is also this "foretaste" of the advent of Spring. In our backyard
the Magnolia bush which is beginning to lose its leaves, is full of
increasingly fat buds in preparation for the showy display of blooms, only
two or three months away. So is the very fragrant Daphne. Although September
marks the "official" start of spring, there is this unofficial "pre
spring" - when things start blooming - starting in July. (I just
remembered - I have to prune the roses, and NOW!). There are still birds
around, especially millions of "alien" Lorrikeets, but in another couple of
months it will be mating season. Magpies (with their own charming sing-song)
will start attacking, and Blackbirds (introduced from Europe) will break
into their pretty morning and evening songs.....

Thanks for your post, Bjørn! It cheered me up a lot this morning.

Henry


randyf

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May 23, 2012, 8:40:23 PM5/23/12
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It was my good fortune to have traveled to Australia in the 90s on 4
or 5 occasions. We'd developed a product that a distributor had turned
quite successful and they invited me too various trade shows a couple
of times a year. The memories and impressions are just as strong now
as they were 15 years ago.

The genuine, unpretentious openness of the Australian people is
impossible to portray unless you've been in their company. I had
always considered myself "class unconscious" and "snob free" but soon
learned that American culture has social barriers that are unseen.
Much like the proverbial fish that cannot understand the concept of
water. A university professor and brick layer could be friends without
regard to profession in a way that was very uncommon in the US. Not
that a professor would look down on a brick layer in the US, but it is
unlikely that they would hang out together weekends. This was quite
stunning.

The food in Melbourne was incredible. My hosts always finished off the
day with dinner at what seem an exhaustible supply of four star
ethnic restaurants. Incredible.

On one of my trips I stuck around for a brief tour. Visited Darwin and
took a camping expedition that finished at Uluru and climbing the

hemyd

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May 23, 2012, 9:24:09 PM5/23/12
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"randyf" <ra...@val.com> wrote in message
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About the food - I have found that we seem to have the best of everything,
at least here in Melbourne.

About the people, well, in the major cities such as Melbourne they can be as
good and as bad as anywhere in the world. In the country, however, they
are - as you say - genuine, unpretentious and open. Out in "the bush" (away
from the cities), you can sometimes be closer to your neighbours several
kilometres away than the neighbour living next door to you in the City. Even
the cities differ - having been on work assignments in Tasmania, I found in
"msjor" cities like Launceston (and to a lesser extent in Hobart), there is
a "laid back" attitude, without the mad rush of the "inland" major cities.

I brought my bicycle across several times, doing some good blood glucose
lowering riding up hills. It was pleasant to find out that while riding in
City streets, drivers would wait patiently until I passed, rather than adopt
this "killer attitude" of their Melbourne brethren.

Henry (happy little Melbourne Vegemite)


ra...@val.com

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May 23, 2012, 10:23:31 PM5/23/12
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hemyd:
> About the food - I have found that we seem to have the best of everything,
> at least here in Melbourne.

Yes - the food, I was blown away. It was good in Sidney too, but
Melbourne was unique(i might have had better guide in Melbourne). As I
recall there were neighborhoods with rows of restaurants specializing
in this or that ethnic cuisine. For lunch one day we went to an
oriental food court that I don't think I ever would have gotten tired
of.

The Melbourne zoo was first rate also, but the Great White in the
aquarium in Sidney caught me by surprise. Do they still have one
there?

Regards
Randy

hemyd

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May 24, 2012, 2:24:51 AM5/24/12
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<ra...@val.com> wrote in message
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My wife and I had our honeymoon in New Zealand's South Island. One of the
most beautiful places on earth, I was told, and, although not having been to
many places, I believe that. Bjørn would appreciate the fiords and glaciers.

Henry


Cheri

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May 24, 2012, 2:24:50 AM5/24/12
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"mainframetech" <mainfr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Reminds of "Travels With Charlie" by Steinbeck. Took his dog and
traveled the U.S. to all the places he lived in younger years.
Everyone he met told him how jealous they were and they wanted to do
the same thing...:)

Chris

========

I'm not big on heading out to places I've never been with no real
destination in sight (wandering) since I've gotten older. Unfortunately when
I was young and daring, there was never the time or the money. I envy people
that just go and do it. :-)

Cheri

hemyd

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May 24, 2012, 2:30:15 AM5/24/12
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<ra...@val.com> wrote in message
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> hemyd:
>> About the food - I have found that we seem to have the best of
>> everything,
>> at least here in Melbourne.
>
> Yes - the food, I was blown away. It was good in Sidney too, but
> Melbourne was unique(i might have had better guide in Melbourne). As I
> recall there were neighborhoods with rows of restaurants specializing
> in this or that ethnic cuisine. For lunch one day we went to an
> oriental food court that I don't think I ever would have gotten tired
> of.
>
> The Melbourne zoo was first rate also, but the Great White in the
> aquarium in Sidney caught me by surprise. Do they still have one
> there?
>
> Regards
> Randy
>
I've been to the Sydney Aquarium several times, but not for the past few
years, Randy. Maybe Rod knows. In Sydney we used to stay in a caravan park
in Lane Cove, only 20 minutes from the City by train. It was a veritable
paradise of bird life. One form of exercise I used there one holiday was to
ride my bicycle onto the Sydney Harbour Bridge, then across it - something I
couldn't do on foot with my bad ankle. That and swimming at Manly Beach.

Henry.



Cheri

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May 24, 2012, 2:34:41 AM5/24/12
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"hemyd" <myd!!!h...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> The genuine, unpretentious openness of the Australian people is
> impossible to portray unless you've been in their company. I had
> always considered myself "class unconscous" and "snob free" but soon
> learned that American culture has social barriers that are unseen.

I'm not so sure that the barriers are unseen in American culture. Maybe not
acknowledged, but pretty much seen IMO. LOL

Cheri

hemyd

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May 24, 2012, 3:14:18 AM5/24/12
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"Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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Same here. I am now absolutely undaring. Don't even want to go outside
Victoria.

Henry


Bjørn Steensrud

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May 23, 2012, 1:46:55 PM5/23/12
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RodS wrote:

> On 23/05/2012 10:46 PM, Bjørn Steensrud wrote:

>> Just you wait - we'll make no. 1 next year :-) :-)

>
> Just to make you all jealous have a look at what turns up in our
> backyards :-)
>
> http://www.birdsinbackyards.net/

Ah yes - I think Henry gave me that link earlier, on the group or in e-mail.
Lovely!

This is near my place: http://www.ostensjovannet.no/ - there's an "English"
button somewhere, but not everything is translated. Sorry!



hemyd

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May 26, 2012, 12:12:57 AM5/26/12
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"Bjørn Steensrud" <bjo...@skogkatt.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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> There's been a long running documentary on TV here called "Coast".
> Although mainly to do with exploring the British coastal areas, it has on
> several occasions taken us to the Scandinavian countries. Truly beautiful
> places! I will look at this link with great interest, and with the help of
> Google Translate if necessary.

Henry.


RodS

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May 26, 2012, 8:28:08 AM5/26/12
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Interesting, thanks, my image of Norway is towering mountains and those
steep Fjords all covered with snow. :-)

Bjørn Steensrud

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May 26, 2012, 10:16:32 AM5/26/12
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Not all of Norway looks like New Zealand, no :-) But we were envious of the
Lord of the Rings movies -

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