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High Miles
Dec 2, 2012, 10:35:32 PM12/2/12
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Two of my neighbors are long time diabetics.
One has been told to check her BG only in the morning, before eating.
The other was told to check several times a day to see what effect food
and exercise have on her system.
Seems like such diverse opinions cannot serve both well.
Is such disagreement common?
One has been told to check her BG only in the morning, before eating.
The other was told to check several times a day to see what effect food
and exercise have on her system.
Seems like such diverse opinions cannot serve both well.
Is such disagreement common?
Julie Bove
Dec 3, 2012, 12:00:43 AM12/3/12
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"High Miles" <2blue...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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diabetics think that all they have to do is take a pill. There is no one
treatment for diabetes. And there is no one way of dealing with it. Of
course I am not saying that all of the different ways are right ways. Lots
of people like to live in denial.
Wes Groleau
Dec 3, 2012, 12:22:54 AM12/3/12
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>> Two of my neighbors are long time diabetics.
>>
>> One has been told to check her BG only in the morning, before eating.
>>
>> The other was told to check several times a day to see what effect food
>> and exercise have on her system.
>>
>> Seems like such diverse opinions cannot serve both well.
>>
>> Is such disagreement common?
>
> Yes. I know diabetics who eat what they want and they never test. Lots of
> diabetics think that all they have to do is take a pill. There is no one
> treatment for diabetes. And there is no one way of dealing with it. Of
> course I am not saying that all of the different ways are right ways. Lots
> of people like to live in denial.
The question was not about what they were doing, but what they were
>>
>> One has been told to check her BG only in the morning, before eating.
>>
>> The other was told to check several times a day to see what effect food
>> and exercise have on her system.
>>
>> Seems like such diverse opinions cannot serve both well.
>>
>> Is such disagreement common?
>
> Yes. I know diabetics who eat what they want and they never test. Lots of
> diabetics think that all they have to do is take a pill. There is no one
> treatment for diabetes. And there is no one way of dealing with it. Of
> course I am not saying that all of the different ways are right ways. Lots
> of people like to live in denial.
advised to do.
--
Wes Groleau
“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes.
A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the
world.”
— Thomas Jefferson
Julie Bove
Dec 3, 2012, 12:52:18 AM12/3/12
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"Wes Groleau" <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote in message
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> On 12-03-2012 00:00, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "High Miles" <2blue...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> Two of my neighbors are long time diabetics.
>>>
>>> One has been told to check her BG only in the morning, before eating.
>>>
>>> The other was told to check several times a day to see what effect food
>>> and exercise have on her system.
>>>
>>> Seems like such diverse opinions cannot serve both well.
>>>
>>> Is such disagreement common?
>>
>> Yes. I know diabetics who eat what they want and they never test. Lots
>> of
>> diabetics think that all they have to do is take a pill. There is no one
>> treatment for diabetes. And there is no one way of dealing with it. Of
>> course I am not saying that all of the different ways are right ways.
>> Lots
>> of people like to live in denial.
>
> The question was not about what they were doing, but what they were
> advised to do.
Okay. But what they are advised to do and what they think they are advised
>> "High Miles" <2blue...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> Two of my neighbors are long time diabetics.
>>>
>>> One has been told to check her BG only in the morning, before eating.
>>>
>>> The other was told to check several times a day to see what effect food
>>> and exercise have on her system.
>>>
>>> Seems like such diverse opinions cannot serve both well.
>>>
>>> Is such disagreement common?
>>
>> Yes. I know diabetics who eat what they want and they never test. Lots
>> of
>> diabetics think that all they have to do is take a pill. There is no one
>> treatment for diabetes. And there is no one way of dealing with it. Of
>> course I am not saying that all of the different ways are right ways.
>> Lots
>> of people like to live in denial.
>
> The question was not about what they were doing, but what they were
> advised to do.
to do can be to different things.
And frankly I thought it was a very stupid question. Of course they are
given different advice! Not all Drs. believe the same things. I had a
nurse advise me to eat lots of soup and fruit. Isn't that rather silly
advice? I think so.
There is no one type of diabetes. And even if we say there are 2 or 3 or 4
different types, there are all kinds of variations on that. A person who
uses insulin would most likely be told to test more frequently than one who
does not. Just as a person who has a lot of hypos would.
shmar...@ticnet.com
Dec 3, 2012, 7:57:22 AM12/3/12
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Gary Owens
Dec 3, 2012, 8:55:35 AM12/3/12
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"High Miles" wrote in message
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Dr tells me only to test every other day, and will only give 30 strips every
2 months. My previous Dr told me to test 3 times a day, but would only write
a script for 30 strips a month, my 89 year old mother, who is on Insulin,
was told by her Dr she only needed to test once a day. The medical
profession does not give the same advice to everyone. If your car mechanic
gave the type of advice your Dr does, he would be out of business in a very
short time.
You need to step back, and say, What is right for me. If the Dr won't write
the script, you have 2 choices, another Dr, or buy your own.
Gary
Deltona, Fl
W. Baker
Dec 3, 2012, 9:02:41 AM12/3/12
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shmar...@ticnet.com wrote:
We have seen many such divergences in advice from reding posters on this
group describing what they have been told. I know one pweson whose PC
told her not to test at all and just watch white starches and avoid them.
She shouldn't test as it would make her too obsessed with the diaetes.
She is not , years later, on several drugs adn finally seeing an endo who
said test as wwithout numbers we can't know what to advise you about
diet. Now she is testing after eating different foods and discovering
what she can and can't eat. Once that gets ssettles she may well not need
to test so often.
Testing only for fbg is good for the doctor, but if you want to gain
control and understand your body's reaction to foods, etc, then a more
rigorous testing is required, at least at the beginning.
Whether peope follow the doctor's advice is another question, but many
doctors do not seem to think the rigorous testing , particularly in early
days, is owrth it or that the patient will pay any attention and prefer to
recommend a boiler-plate eatign pattern.
Wendy
group describing what they have been told. I know one pweson whose PC
told her not to test at all and just watch white starches and avoid them.
She shouldn't test as it would make her too obsessed with the diaetes.
She is not , years later, on several drugs adn finally seeing an endo who
said test as wwithout numbers we can't know what to advise you about
diet. Now she is testing after eating different foods and discovering
what she can and can't eat. Once that gets ssettles she may well not need
to test so often.
Testing only for fbg is good for the doctor, but if you want to gain
control and understand your body's reaction to foods, etc, then a more
rigorous testing is required, at least at the beginning.
Whether peope follow the doctor's advice is another question, but many
doctors do not seem to think the rigorous testing , particularly in early
days, is owrth it or that the patient will pay any attention and prefer to
recommend a boiler-plate eatign pattern.
Wendy
High Miles
Dec 3, 2012, 9:33:14 AM12/3/12
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Her reply was : Because it only upsets me to see those high numbers
after eating.
Now that one stumps me all together.
So obviously, her being told that there was no reason for multiple tests
suited her perfectly.
Apparently, doctors just have different views on the best way for their
patients to manage the condition.
ray
Dec 3, 2012, 10:38:56 AM12/3/12
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that correct instructions have been given to both folks. For example, a
well controlled Type 2 may only need to check in the mornings whereas a
Type 1 or a Type 2 whose diabetes has progressed to the need for insulin
would need to check many times per day.
Trawley Trash
Dec 3, 2012, 9:50:06 AM12/3/12
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On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 21:35:32 -0600
a day, and for others once a day is enough.
I began at 5-10 times a day. Now that I am under control, I only
check in the morning.
Julie Bove
Dec 3, 2012, 10:21:13 AM12/3/12
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Henry Mydlarz
Dec 3, 2012, 5:25:47 PM12/3/12
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"High Miles" <2blue...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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It depends how concerned you are at what your bg is doing in what
circumstances. I check between once a day and several times a day, with an
emphasis on when I try a new food, a new exercise routine, or if the
previous reading was unusually high or low.
As a result I can now estimate what bg I will get when with a reasonable
level of accuracy, and I can determine what to eat and how to exercise to
control my bg.
It is vital to measure bg several times a day when on Insulin.
Henry
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circumstances. I check between once a day and several times a day, with an
emphasis on when I try a new food, a new exercise routine, or if the
previous reading was unusually high or low.
As a result I can now estimate what bg I will get when with a reasonable
level of accuracy, and I can determine what to eat and how to exercise to
control my bg.
It is vital to measure bg several times a day when on Insulin.
Henry
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High Miles
Dec 3, 2012, 6:52:45 PM12/3/12
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On 12/3/2012 4:40 PM, Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
> Sadly, yes.
>
> :-(
>
> Susan
><
Sheesh
That's likethe way some don't even blink until they see an A1C of seven
or more.
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> :-(
>
> Susan
><
Sheesh
That's likethe way some don't even blink until they see an A1C of seven
or more.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dec 3, 2012, 7:14:12 PM12/3/12
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High Miles wrote:
>
> Two of my neighbors are long time diabetics.
>
> One has been told to check her BG only in the morning, before eating.
>
> The other was told to check several times a day to see what effect food
> and exercise have on her system.
>
> Seems like such diverse opinions cannot serve both well.
No amount of checking BG is going to achieve reversal/cure.
>
> Two of my neighbors are long time diabetics.
>
> One has been told to check her BG only in the morning, before eating.
>
> The other was told to check several times a day to see what effect food
> and exercise have on her system.
>
> Seems like such diverse opinions cannot serve both well.
The absolutely only way to achieve reversal/cure is to lose the
causative http://WDJW.net/VAT
VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue) has happened by overeating so it stands
to reason that what needs to be done is holding to the right amount,
which is 32 oz of daily food, thereby stopping the overeating without
harmful undernourishment.
Yes, right amount ( http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach ) control as
Chris Malcolm, MU, **and** Rod Eastman are doing is much more
sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
and
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/522ce5c058224656?
**and**
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/da03131060efa3b5?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/055f2e7cf3c590ee?
Don't be an Ayoob or you will most certainly die a horrible (Mark
9:42) death:
https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke
6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://WDJW.net/VAT
... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
EmoryIMVC.org Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?
Henry Mydlarz
Dec 3, 2012, 8:09:24 PM12/3/12
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HbA1c - not unless it went WAY past 7. In fact, I would be surprised if many
even knew what their figure was, or even what the measurement was.
One day while chatting to a chemist from whom I collected some medications,
she commented that I was the first person she had seen with a HbA1c below 8.
Sad.
Henry.
Virgil
Dec 3, 2012, 8:18:47 PM12/3/12
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In article
<f8390c2f-7caf-42ac...@n8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
food, which determines whether one is overeating or not.
And not all foods have the same caloric content per oz.
So that Chung is wrong even about basics in his own speciality.
Thus following Chung's advice could be as dangerous to one's health as
believing him is dangerous to one's sanity.
--
<f8390c2f-7caf-42ac...@n8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
> VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue) has happened by overeating so it stands
> to reason that what needs to be done is holding to the right amount,
> which is 32 oz of daily food, thereby stopping the overeating without
> harmful undernourishment.
It is the caloric content, not the avoirdupois content, of one's daily
> VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue) has happened by overeating so it stands
> to reason that what needs to be done is holding to the right amount,
> which is 32 oz of daily food, thereby stopping the overeating without
> harmful undernourishment.
food, which determines whether one is overeating or not.
And not all foods have the same caloric content per oz.
So that Chung is wrong even about basics in his own speciality.
Thus following Chung's advice could be as dangerous to one's health as
believing him is dangerous to one's sanity.
--
Maya Zuiderweg
Dec 3, 2012, 8:35:47 PM12/3/12
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Susan beweerde :
> Sadly, yes.
>
> :-(
>
> Susan
I totally agree..!
M.
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On 12/2/2012 10:35 PM, High Miles wrote:
>
> On 12/2/2012 10:35 PM, High Miles wrote:
>
> :-(
>
> Susan
I totally agree..!
M.
Maya Zuiderweg
Dec 3, 2012, 8:40:49 PM12/3/12
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Henry Mydlarz was zeer hard aan het denken :
...is that this newsgroup is _no_ crosssection of all kinds of
diabetics at all..
M.
> "High Miles" <2blue...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> On 12/3/2012 4:40 PM, Susan wrote:
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>
>>> On 12/2/2012 10:35 PM, High Miles wrote:
>>>> Two of my neighbors are long time diabetics.
>>>>
>>>> One has been told to check her BG only in the morning, before eating.
>>>>
>>>> The other was told to check several times a day to see what effect food
>>>> and exercise have on her system.
>>>>
>>>> Seems like such diverse opinions cannot serve both well.
>>>>
>>>> Is such disagreement common?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sadly, yes.
>>>
>>> :-(
>>>
>>> Susan
>> ><
>>
>> Sheesh
>> That's likethe way some don't even blink until they see an A1C of seven or
>> more.
>>
>>
>>
> ***My take on this*** is that most diabetics couldn't care less about their
> news:50bd3c59$0$17583$882e...@usenet-news.net...
>> On 12/3/2012 4:40 PM, Susan wrote:
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>
>>> On 12/2/2012 10:35 PM, High Miles wrote:
>>>> Two of my neighbors are long time diabetics.
>>>>
>>>> One has been told to check her BG only in the morning, before eating.
>>>>
>>>> The other was told to check several times a day to see what effect food
>>>> and exercise have on her system.
>>>>
>>>> Seems like such diverse opinions cannot serve both well.
>>>>
>>>> Is such disagreement common?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sadly, yes.
>>>
>>> :-(
>>>
>>> Susan
>> ><
>>
>> Sheesh
>> That's likethe way some don't even blink until they see an A1C of seven or
>> more.
>>
>>
>>
> HbA1c - not unless it went WAY past 7. In fact, I would be surprised if many
> even knew what their figure was, or even what the measurement was.
>
> One day while chatting to a chemist from whom I collected some medications,
> she commented that I was the first person she had seen with a HbA1c below 8.
>
> Sad.
>
> Henry.
***........***
> even knew what their figure was, or even what the measurement was.
>
> One day while chatting to a chemist from whom I collected some medications,
> she commented that I was the first person she had seen with a HbA1c below 8.
>
> Sad.
>
> Henry.
...is that this newsgroup is _no_ crosssection of all kinds of
diabetics at all..
M.
bj
Dec 3, 2012, 8:49:43 PM12/3/12
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"Henry Mydlarz" <myd...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>
> My take on this is that most diabetics couldn't care less about their
> HbA1c - not unless it went WAY past 7. In fact, I would be surprised if
> many even knew what their figure was, or even what the measurement was.
>
> One day while chatting to a chemist from whom I collected some
> medications, she commented that I was the first person she had seen with a HbA1c below 8.
>
How does she know what anyone's A1c is?
>>
> My take on this is that most diabetics couldn't care less about their
> HbA1c - not unless it went WAY past 7. In fact, I would be surprised if
> many even knew what their figure was, or even what the measurement was.
>
> One day while chatting to a chemist from whom I collected some
> medications, she commented that I was the first person she had seen with a HbA1c below 8.
>
None of my pharmacists know any of my lab results, & unless I've mentioned
it to any in particular they don't know I've had cancer either.
bj
Maya Zuiderweg
Dec 3, 2012, 8:56:27 PM12/3/12
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bj bracht volgend idée uit :
M.
> bj
> "Henry Mydlarz" <myd...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>> My take on this is that most diabetics couldn't care less about their
>> HbA1c - not unless it went WAY past 7. In fact, I would be surprised if
>> many even knew what their figure was, or even what the measurement was.
>>
>> One day while chatting to a chemist from whom I collected some
>> medications, she commented that I was the first person she had seen with a
>> HbA1c below 8.
>>
>
> How does she know what anyone's A1c is?
By chatting a lot?
>>>
>> My take on this is that most diabetics couldn't care less about their
>> HbA1c - not unless it went WAY past 7. In fact, I would be surprised if
>> many even knew what their figure was, or even what the measurement was.
>>
>> One day while chatting to a chemist from whom I collected some
>> medications, she commented that I was the first person she had seen with a
>> HbA1c below 8.
>>
>
> How does she know what anyone's A1c is?
>
> None of my pharmacists know any of my lab results, & unless I've mentioned
> it to any in particular they don't know I've had cancer either.
Do you have multiple pharmacists?
> None of my pharmacists know any of my lab results, & unless I've mentioned
> it to any in particular they don't know I've had cancer either.
M.
> bj
Henry Mydlarz
Dec 3, 2012, 9:27:39 PM12/3/12
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Chatting, mainly. Here in Melbourne chemists often interact with their
customers and advise them on things to watch out for with their medication.
I did not ask her how she knew but accepted that she did. I am also basing
my comments on the diabetics I've spoken to over the years.
Henry
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customers and advise them on things to watch out for with their medication.
I did not ask her how she knew but accepted that she did. I am also basing
my comments on the diabetics I've spoken to over the years.
Henry
Henry Mydlarz
Dec 3, 2012, 9:35:31 PM12/3/12
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"Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote in
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Yes, I do understand that with the added asterisks, the original "My take on
this" does mean "My take on this", and it truly is my take on this - with or
without the asterisks.
Also, High Miles was referring to "two of his neighbours", presumably not
two of his neighbours who are on ASD, otherwise he probably would have said
so. Mind you he did say "two of my neighbours" without any asterisks on
either side, so it might have meant something else.
Of the many diabetics I have spoke to, I have met only a few who could tell
me what the term "HbA1c" meant, let alone what the figure was. Either that,
or they were too embarrassed to say.
Henry
message news:Yb2dnTaqMMA5ySDN...@giganews.com...
this" does mean "My take on this", and it truly is my take on this - with or
without the asterisks.
Also, High Miles was referring to "two of his neighbours", presumably not
two of his neighbours who are on ASD, otherwise he probably would have said
so. Mind you he did say "two of my neighbours" without any asterisks on
either side, so it might have meant something else.
Of the many diabetics I have spoke to, I have met only a few who could tell
me what the term "HbA1c" meant, let alone what the figure was. Either that,
or they were too embarrassed to say.
Henry
Maya Zuiderweg
Dec 3, 2012, 9:48:53 PM12/3/12
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Henry Mydlarz heeft ons zojuist aangekondigd :
Did I offend you with the use of the asteriks?
I saw it as handy. It was meant as "in stead of these words used by you
I now write what my take on"...this is.
asteriks?
Maya
>
> Henry
I saw it as handy. It was meant as "in stead of these words used by you
I now write what my take on"...this is.
>
> Also, High Miles was referring to "two of his neighbours", presumably not two
> of his neighbours who are on ASD, otherwise he probably would have said so.
> Mind you he did say "two of my neighbours" without any asterisks on either
> side, so it might have meant something else.
I dont think so. Maybe I should refrain from my "trick" with the
> Also, High Miles was referring to "two of his neighbours", presumably not two
> of his neighbours who are on ASD, otherwise he probably would have said so.
> Mind you he did say "two of my neighbours" without any asterisks on either
> side, so it might have meant something else.
asteriks?
>
> Of the many diabetics I have spoke to, I have met only a few who could tell
> me what the term "HbA1c" meant, let alone what the figure was. Either that,
> or they were too embarrassed to say.
I have the same experience :/
> Of the many diabetics I have spoke to, I have met only a few who could tell
> me what the term "HbA1c" meant, let alone what the figure was. Either that,
> or they were too embarrassed to say.
Maya
>
> Henry
Maya Zuiderweg
Dec 3, 2012, 9:51:17 PM12/3/12
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Maya Zuiderweg formuleerde de vraag :
Sorry, should have been: asterisks. See? I did NOT use the asterisks
:-)
M.
:-)
M.
W. Baker
Dec 3, 2012, 10:11:18 PM12/3/12
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bj <addre...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
In some places pharmacists are beign enlisted in programs to help
diabetics gain better control. In such cases, they would be learning
A1c's for those they are asked to advise. It is one of thoe attempts to
find ways to get better control for many who seem to need frequent
assurance , education and reminding.
Wendy
diabetics gain better control. In such cases, they would be learning
A1c's for those they are asked to advise. It is one of thoe attempts to
find ways to get better control for many who seem to need frequent
assurance , education and reminding.
Wendy
Wes Groleau
Dec 3, 2012, 11:45:04 PM12/3/12
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On 12-03-2012 09:33, High Miles wrote:
> I asked the gal who only tests once daily, why she didn't test more.
> Her reply was : Because it only upsets me to see those high numbers
> after eating.
> Now that one stumps me all together.
> So obviously, her being told that there was no reason for multiple tests
> suited her perfectly.
So maybe that doctor, rather than being guilty of malpractice, merely
> I asked the gal who only tests once daily, why she didn't test more.
> Her reply was : Because it only upsets me to see those high numbers
> after eating.
> Now that one stumps me all together.
> So obviously, her being told that there was no reason for multiple tests
> suited her perfectly.
understood the patient's personality and the futility of dispensing
advice that would be ignored.
--
Wes Groleau
Is it an on-line compliment to call someone a Net Wit ?
Wes Groleau
Dec 3, 2012, 11:49:15 PM12/3/12
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On 12-03-2012 08:55, Gary Owens wrote:
> The VA Dr tells me only to test every other day, and will only give 30
> strips every 2 months.
When I went to the V.A., what the doctor said was irrelevant.
> The VA Dr tells me only to test every other day, and will only give 30
> strips every 2 months.
My V.A. doctor, in spite of my protest, said my A1c (8.2) was excellent
and I shouldn't abuse my fingers by testing more than once a week.
The pharmacist looked at the script, said V.A. policy is every other
day, and dispensed according to policy.
Sorry to say, the lab report agreed with the doctor--except for
misspelling "EXCELLANT"
--
Wes Groleau
From the cowardice that shrinks from new truth,
From the laziness that is content with half-truths,
From the arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
O God of Truth, deliver us.
--Leslie Dixon Weatherhead
--Rabbi Mordechai M. Kaplan
--ancient prayer
--unknown
--(no attempt at attribution)
(a thousand thanks to someone who can tell me who
really wrote it AND persuade me they're not making it up!)
Wes Groleau
Dec 3, 2012, 11:54:19 PM12/3/12
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On 12-03-2012 21:27, Henry Mydlarz wrote:
> "bj" <addre...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> "bj" <addre...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> How does she know what anyone's A1c is?
>>
>>
> Chatting, mainly. Here in Melbourne chemists often interact with their
> customers and advise them on things to watch out for with their
> medication. I did not ask her how she knew but accepted that she did. I
So if her memory is accurate, none of the ones who told here were under
> customers and advise them on things to watch out for with their
> medication. I did not ask her how she knew but accepted that she did. I
that. Some of the ones under that may not be coming to the chemist and
others may not have volunteered the information.
BUT, I suspect the statement is not for from accurate.
--
Wes Groleau
Pat's Polemics
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.org/barrett
Julie Bove
Dec 3, 2012, 11:55:52 PM12/3/12
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"bj" <addre...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
Henry Mydlarz
Dec 4, 2012, 12:46:56 AM12/4/12
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"Maya Zuiderweg" wrote in message
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Nothing offends me these days, Maya - not even the asteriskses....
Henry
news:uZednQ1Zad8F-SDN...@giganews.com...
Henry
Henry Mydlarz
Dec 4, 2012, 12:50:16 AM12/4/12
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"Julie Bove" wrote in message news:k9jvos$hdg$1...@dont-email.me...
In my very worrying weeks after my initial diagnosis, the best information I
received was, believe it or not, from a security guard. He had been a
hospital nurse in his previous job and made a point of learning about
diabetes.
Henry.
received was, believe it or not, from a security guard. He had been a
hospital nurse in his previous job and made a point of learning about
diabetes.
Henry.
outsider
Dec 4, 2012, 1:23:26 AM12/4/12
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and Medicare. As part of the justification for the
prescription, my physician submits data that justifies the number
of strips he prescribes (at my urging.) I have no doubt that my
pharmacy knows my A1c and all other relevant facts. I also had
to sign an affidavit that I am the person using all the test
strips issued under that prescription. In order to get the
numbers to work out accurately, they issue me 100 days worth
of strips at a time.
Von
Dec 4, 2012, 8:27:14 AM12/4/12
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"Virgil" <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote in message news:virgil-> Thus following
Chung's advice could be as dangerous to one's health as
> believing him is dangerous to one's sanity.
It seems too late for you. Chung has obviously driven you insane, and now
> believing him is dangerous to one's sanity.
you have to feed him 20 times a day. Adding to his spam. Good boy!
bj
Dec 4, 2012, 2:34:57 PM12/4/12
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Maya Zuiderweg <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote:
> bj bracht volgend idée uit :
>>
> bj bracht volgend idée uit :
>>
>> None of my pharmacists know any of my lab results, & unless I've mentioned
>> it to any in particular they don't know I've had cancer either.
>
> Do you have multiple pharmacists?
>
> M.
Over the years? Certainly.
>> it to any in particular they don't know I've had cancer either.
>
> Do you have multiple pharmacists?
>
> M.
Also lots of doctors (whom I do keep informed).
I usually get my meds at the same chain, but not always at the same
branch, depending on what it is, where I am, how soon/fast I need it, how
much extra trouble it is to go to my "usual" place, etc.
Not only have I changed pharmacies at one time or another (because of
closure, preference, convenience, etc.) there are multiple pharmacists at
any one pharmacy (I am not talking about clerks, but actual pharmacists) so
even in the same store I may see different people from one time to another.
Then there are also various mail order arrangements I may have from time to
time.
Of course, I can't really *know* that they haven't gotten the information
somehow, but none has ever mentioned it to me, commented about maybe a
different med would be "better" or in any way indicated they had such
personal knowledge.
One did comment in astonishment once (about 20 years ago) at how much a med
cost -- the monthly price for critical med for my *dog* -- he couldn't
believe I'd spend $50/month! *For a dog!* I just said it was either that or
a one-time $25 shot of the pink stuff, which pretty much shut him up about
that!
bj
Cheri
Dec 4, 2012, 3:38:47 PM12/4/12
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"bj" <addre...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:1209863290376341452.655754...@news.giganews.com...
> Maya Zuiderweg <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote:
>> bj bracht volgend idée uit :
>>>
>>> None of my pharmacists know any of my lab results, & unless I've
>>> mentioned
>>> it to any in particular they don't know I've had cancer either.
>>
>> Do you have multiple pharmacists?
>>
>> M.
>
> Over the years? Certainly.
> Also lots of doctors (whom I do keep informed).
Sort of off the topic, but as far as having multiple pharmacists go, some of
>> bj bracht volgend idée uit :
>>>
>>> None of my pharmacists know any of my lab results, & unless I've
>>> mentioned
>>> it to any in particular they don't know I've had cancer either.
>>
>> Do you have multiple pharmacists?
>>
>> M.
>
> Over the years? Certainly.
> Also lots of doctors (whom I do keep informed).
the uninsured shop around for the best value and then transfer, resulting in
multiple pharmacies too. Recently, Wal-Mart was ripping a friend off for
generic Vicodin by charging 35.88 for 60 pills. Walgreen's charges 29.99,
Rite-Aid wouldn't say unless she transferred, but Safeway charges 24.49
which is quite a difference. She transferred and got a 25.00 off certificate
for the next time she spends 50.00 on groceries. We were very surprised that
Wal-Mart was the most expensive. It pays to shop around if you don't have
insurance.
Cheri
Julie Bove
Dec 4, 2012, 5:30:28 PM12/4/12
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"Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:k9ln0...@news4.newsguy.com...
transferring prescriptions. I got the $30 one when I switched to Bartells.
Rite Aid offered me $30 to switch back but I didn't because I had some
problems with them. We have at times used Walgreens only because the have
one location that is open for 24 hours. They stopped taking my insurance
for a while but I think they are taking it again now.
outsider
Dec 4, 2012, 5:49:54 PM12/4/12
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insurance covered prescriptions at my local pharmacy. YMMV
Cheri
Dec 4, 2012, 6:14:58 PM12/4/12
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"outsider" <outs...@sometime.individual.net> wrote in message
news:ai7d0g...@mid.individual.net...
Must depend on the prescription I suppose. When my friend was here having
coffee, we called Wal-Mart pharmacy to ask why such a disparity in price,
the answer was it fluctuates depending on how much stock they are able to
attain. First time we ever heard that, and if one has prescription insurance
does the co-pay fluctuate depending on the stock? I really doubt it, but who
knew that Wal-Mart would be so much higher. Just a reminder to check first
in the future if it pertains to a non-insured prescription.
Cheri
news:ai7d0g...@mid.individual.net...
coffee, we called Wal-Mart pharmacy to ask why such a disparity in price,
the answer was it fluctuates depending on how much stock they are able to
attain. First time we ever heard that, and if one has prescription insurance
does the co-pay fluctuate depending on the stock? I really doubt it, but who
knew that Wal-Mart would be so much higher. Just a reminder to check first
in the future if it pertains to a non-insured prescription.
Cheri
Oldmilret
Dec 4, 2012, 6:23:46 PM12/4/12
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Right on the main page:
http://www.express-scripts.com/TRICARE/
Walgreens Will Remain Designated as a Non-Network Pharmacy Provider
No Change to Current Retail Pharmacy Network for TRICARE Beneficiaries
Express Scripts, in line with TRICARE Management Activity's commitment
to the efficient management of the TRICARE Pharmacy benefit, has
determined it will maintain the same robust retail pharmacy network of
more than 57,000 pharmacies available to TRICARE beneficiaries.
Walgreens will remain designated as a non-network pharmacy provider
for TRICARE beneficiaries.
Maya Zuiderweg
Dec 4, 2012, 7:48:23 PM12/4/12
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bj drukte met precisie uit :
Ive been with the same pharmacy for 20 years or more.
> Also lots of doctors (whom I do keep informed).
Also makes sense.
make sense qua medication. Not anymore now.
that our 2 cats are the most costly persons in our household :-)
Not that we will alter their food and vet's visits!
As of late lots of animals are dumped in shelters, because people cant
pay for the illness of their pets :/
M.
> bj
> Maya Zuiderweg <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote:
>> bj bracht volgend idée uit :
>>>
>>> None of my pharmacists know any of my lab results, & unless I've mentioned
>>> it to any in particular they don't know I've had cancer either.
>>
>> Do you have multiple pharmacists?
>>
>> M.
>
> Over the years? Certainly.
That makes sense.
>> bj bracht volgend idée uit :
>>>
>>> None of my pharmacists know any of my lab results, & unless I've mentioned
>>> it to any in particular they don't know I've had cancer either.
>>
>> Do you have multiple pharmacists?
>>
>> M.
>
> Over the years? Certainly.
Ive been with the same pharmacy for 20 years or more.
> Also lots of doctors (whom I do keep informed).
>
> I usually get my meds at the same chain, but not always at the same
> branch, depending on what it is, where I am, how soon/fast I need it, how
> much extra trouble it is to go to my "usual" place, etc.
>
> Not only have I changed pharmacies at one time or another (because of
> closure, preference, convenience, etc.) there are multiple pharmacists at
> any one pharmacy (I am not talking about clerks, but actual pharmacists) so
> even in the same store I may see different people from one time to another.
> Then there are also various mail order arrangements I may have from time to
> time.
You certainly have seen more pharmacies over the years than I have ;-)
> I usually get my meds at the same chain, but not always at the same
> branch, depending on what it is, where I am, how soon/fast I need it, how
> much extra trouble it is to go to my "usual" place, etc.
>
> Not only have I changed pharmacies at one time or another (because of
> closure, preference, convenience, etc.) there are multiple pharmacists at
> any one pharmacy (I am not talking about clerks, but actual pharmacists) so
> even in the same store I may see different people from one time to another.
> Then there are also various mail order arrangements I may have from time to
> time.
>
> Of course, I can't really *know* that they haven't gotten the information
> somehow, but none has ever mentioned it to me, commented about maybe a
> different med would be "better" or in any way indicated they had such
> personal knowledge.
Its different now (cutbacks), but they used to warn me if sth didnt
> Of course, I can't really *know* that they haven't gotten the information
> somehow, but none has ever mentioned it to me, commented about maybe a
> different med would be "better" or in any way indicated they had such
> personal knowledge.
make sense qua medication. Not anymore now.
>
> One did comment in astonishment once (about 20 years ago) at how much a med
> cost -- the monthly price for critical med for my *dog* -- he couldn't
> believe I'd spend $50/month! *For a dog!* I just said it was either that or
> a one-time $25 shot of the pink stuff, which pretty much shut him up about
> that!
We are making cutbacks right now ourselves, the first thing we see is
> One did comment in astonishment once (about 20 years ago) at how much a med
> cost -- the monthly price for critical med for my *dog* -- he couldn't
> believe I'd spend $50/month! *For a dog!* I just said it was either that or
> a one-time $25 shot of the pink stuff, which pretty much shut him up about
> that!
that our 2 cats are the most costly persons in our household :-)
Not that we will alter their food and vet's visits!
As of late lots of animals are dumped in shelters, because people cant
pay for the illness of their pets :/
M.
> bj
W. Baker
Dec 4, 2012, 7:53:07 PM12/4/12
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outsider <outs...@sometime.individual.net> wrote:
special price and it doesn't puch me towards the donut hole, which may be
reduced, but is not gone at this time.
Wendy
: On 12/4/2012 4:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
: > "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
: > news:k9ln0...@news4.newsguy.com...
: >> "bj" <addre...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
: >> news:1209863290376341452.655754...@news.giganews.com...
: >>> Maya Zuiderweg <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote:
: >>>> bj bracht volgend id?e uit :
: > "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
: > news:k9ln0...@news4.newsguy.com...
: >> "bj" <addre...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
: >> news:1209863290376341452.655754...@news.giganews.com...
: >>> Maya Zuiderweg <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$> wrote:
: >>>>>
: >>>>> None of my pharmacists know any of my lab results, & unless I've
: >>>>> mentioned
: >>>>> it to any in particular they don't know I've had cancer either.
: >>>>
: >>>> Do you have multiple pharmacists?
: >>>>
: >>>> M.
: >>>
: >>> Over the years? Certainly.
: >>> Also lots of doctors (whom I do keep informed).
: >>
: >> Sort of off the topic, but as far as having multiple pharmacists go, some
: >> of the uninsured shop around for the best value and then transfer,
: >> resulting in multiple pharmacies too. Recently, Wal-Mart was ripping a
: >> friend off for generic Vicodin by charging 35.88 for 60 pills. Walgreen's
: >> charges 29.99, Rite-Aid wouldn't say unless she transferred, but Safeway
: >> charges 24.49 which is quite a difference. She transferred and got a 25.00
: >> off certificate for the next time she spends 50.00 on groceries. We were
: >> very surprised that Wal-Mart was the most expensive. It pays to shop
: >> around if you don't have insurance.
: >
: > Even with insurance, here they offer things like a $25 or $30 gift card for
: > transferring prescriptions. I got the $30 one when I switched to Bartells.
: > Rite Aid offered me $30 to switch back but I didn't because I had some
: > problems with them. We have at times used Walgreens only because the have
: > one location that is open for 24 hours. They stopped taking my insurance
: > for a while but I think they are taking it again now.
: Even with insurance, often Walmart is less expensive than the copay on
: insurance covered prescriptions at my local pharmacy. YMMV
I find htat for several of my generics I do better with CVS 3 month
: >>>>> None of my pharmacists know any of my lab results, & unless I've
: >>>>> mentioned
: >>>>> it to any in particular they don't know I've had cancer either.
: >>>>
: >>>> Do you have multiple pharmacists?
: >>>>
: >>>> M.
: >>>
: >>> Over the years? Certainly.
: >>> Also lots of doctors (whom I do keep informed).
: >>
: >> Sort of off the topic, but as far as having multiple pharmacists go, some
: >> of the uninsured shop around for the best value and then transfer,
: >> resulting in multiple pharmacies too. Recently, Wal-Mart was ripping a
: >> friend off for generic Vicodin by charging 35.88 for 60 pills. Walgreen's
: >> charges 29.99, Rite-Aid wouldn't say unless she transferred, but Safeway
: >> charges 24.49 which is quite a difference. She transferred and got a 25.00
: >> off certificate for the next time she spends 50.00 on groceries. We were
: >> very surprised that Wal-Mart was the most expensive. It pays to shop
: >> around if you don't have insurance.
: >
: > Even with insurance, here they offer things like a $25 or $30 gift card for
: > transferring prescriptions. I got the $30 one when I switched to Bartells.
: > Rite Aid offered me $30 to switch back but I didn't because I had some
: > problems with them. We have at times used Walgreens only because the have
: > one location that is open for 24 hours. They stopped taking my insurance
: > for a while but I think they are taking it again now.
: Even with insurance, often Walmart is less expensive than the copay on
: insurance covered prescriptions at my local pharmacy. YMMV
special price and it doesn't puch me towards the donut hole, which may be
reduced, but is not gone at this time.
Wendy
Happy Oyster
Dec 4, 2012, 8:45:06 AM12/4/12
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Julie Bove
Dec 4, 2012, 8:02:27 PM12/4/12
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time to get there and the gas money, it wouldn't be worth it.
Julie Bove
Dec 4, 2012, 8:03:50 PM12/4/12
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"Oldmilret" <oldm...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Dunno. Haven't tried to use them.
Don Roberto
Dec 4, 2012, 9:02:29 PM12/4/12
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I usually stay away from market leaders, so I hardly ever shop at
Walmart. I *did* notice though they advertise so-called "price rollback"
and in many cases those prices are quite a bit higher than those of
other retailers.
I used to shop a Sams Club membership through my company and used to
compare their merchandise with Costco. Rule of thumb was: whenever they
(Sams) carried the same item in the same quantity, they'd be 5c or 10c
cheaper than Costco for the whole package. If the item was packaged
slightly differently (i.e., say an 8 pack instead of a six pack), it
would be a dollar or two more when adjusting for quanity.
They definitely are banking on people's inability to do simple math.
> It pays to shop around if you don't have insurance.
>
Maya Zuiderweg
Dec 4, 2012, 9:12:59 PM12/4/12
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Don Roberto formuleerde de vraag :
Except when you are bound to a certain insurance company, a company
that comes whith your work. I.e. you cant change from insurance co's at
random when you are insured via your work-company.
M.
that comes whith your work. I.e. you cant change from insurance co's at
random when you are insured via your work-company.
M.
Julie Bove
Dec 4, 2012, 9:13:32 PM12/4/12
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Don Roberto wrote:
> On 12/4/2012 12:38 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> "bj" <addre...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:1209863290376341452.655754...@news.giganews.com...
>>
>>> Maya Zuiderweg <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$>
>>> wrote:
>>>> bj bracht volgend id�e uit :
> On 12/4/2012 12:38 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> "bj" <addre...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:1209863290376341452.655754...@news.giganews.com...
>>
>>> Maya Zuiderweg <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$>
>>> wrote:
$8.99 a jar for it. Not sure how much the other stores charge. We did buy
some at Target because overall their grocery prices are cheaper and with my
Red Card, I save another 5%.
I found it only at Walmart for about $6.00 a jar. Granted I had to buy a
case of 6 and I needed to spend $45 to get free shipping. I wound up
getting two cases because I didn't need anything else. I have been trying
to get as many necessary type items from either Walmart and Target online as
I can. I always get free shipping from Target and sometimes I get money
back. Just bought some winter boots from them and got an additional $10.00
off. It's far easier for me when the stuff just comes to the door!
Especially if it's something large like toilet paper. I do have to watch it
at Walmart because not everything qualifies for free shipping. I also do
this with Drugstore.com which is now operated by Walgreens.
For all of these places I also get Swagbucks because I am signed up through
them. Through my searches and shopping, last month I earned $25.00 of
credit from Amazon.com and also donated some money to hurricane Sandy. I
still had more Swagbucks left over which I just redeemed. You can only
redeem 5 of any one prize in a month. All in all these things are money
savers for me!
Don Roberto
Dec 4, 2012, 9:33:45 PM12/4/12
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wasn't just writing about meds, but Walmart pricing policy in general.
outsider
Dec 4, 2012, 9:33:59 PM12/4/12
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be a driver of competition by rewarding the lowest priced vendor
through buying from them even if, occasionally, it costs a bit more
when everything is considered. I've always felt that it works out for
the best whenever I do that. Mindless selfishness seems to me to
inherently work against the mindlessly selfish.
Besides, I never make the 60 mile trip to Walmart for one item from one
vendor. Through planning and combining my purchases, I save even when
one or two items cost a little more than they would locally, and I
concurrently encourage market forces to work in my favor.
But then, of course, with no imagination available to duplicate such
achievement, nothing works well for some. A friend told me years
ago that "the poor always pay more." It seems to me that poverty in
vision costs more than all other factors combined. I admit that on
occasion that characteristic manages to warp around itself to bite me,
but I do the best I can to keep it from happening. Being human means
I don't always succeed.
OTOH to analyze every transaction as an isolated event guarantees
failure. Alas there's no cure for stupidity, and that's sure a stupid
way of looking at things.
Maya Zuiderweg
Dec 5, 2012, 7:50:08 PM12/5/12
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Don Roberto schreef :
I comment on your comment.
M.
M.
Don Roberto
Dec 6, 2012, 4:40:34 AM12/6/12
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*what* I am commenting on.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dec 6, 2012, 5:32:21 AM12/6/12
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GysdeJongh wrote:
>
> Diabet Med. 2012 Oct 17. doi: 10.1111/dme.12039.
> The 2012 Banting Lecture Reversing the twin cycles of Type 2 diabetes.
>
> It has become widely accepted that type 2 diabetes is inevitably life-long,
> with irreversible and progressive beta cell damage. However, the restoration
> of normal glucose metabolism within days after bariatric surgery in the
> majority of people with type 2 diabetes disproves this concept. There is now
> no doubt that this reversal of diabetes depends upon the sudden and profound
> decrease in food intake, and does not relate to any direct surgical effect.
> The Counterpoint study demonstrated that normal glucose levels and normal
> beta cell function could be restored by a very low calorie diet alone. Novel
> magnetic resonance methods were applied to measure intra-organ fat. The
> results showed two different time courses: a) resolution of hepatic insulin
> sensitivity within days along with a rapid fall in liver fat and
> normalisation of fasting glucose levels; and b) return of normal beta cell
> insulin secretion over weeks in step with a fall in pancreas fat. Now that
> it has been possible to observe the pathophysiological events during
> reversal of type 2 diabetes, the reverse time course of events which
> determine the onset of the condition can be identified. The twin cycle
> hypothesis postulates that chronic calorie excess leads to accumulation of
> liver fat with eventual spill over into the pancreas. These self-reinforcing
> cycles between liver and pancreas eventually cause metabolic inhibition of
> insulin secretion after meals and onset of hyperglycaemia. It is now clear
> that Type 2 diabetes is a reversible condition of intra-organ fat excess to
> which some people are more susceptible than others.
> PMID: 23075228
Yes, stopping the causative overeating without harmful
undernourishment by holding to the right amount, which is 32 oz of
daily food, is the absolutely only **healthy** way to remove the
"intra-organ fat excess" ( http://WDJW.net/VAT ) that happens with
overeating:
https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/48e684b2a336961e?
Yes, right amount ( http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach ) control as
Chris Malcolm, MU, **and** Rod Eastman are doing is much more
sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
and
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/522ce5c058224656?
**and**
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/da03131060efa3b5?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/055f2e7cf3c590ee?
Don't be an Ayoob:
https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke
6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://WDJW.net/VAT
... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
EmoryIMVC.org Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?
>
> Diabet Med. 2012 Oct 17. doi: 10.1111/dme.12039.
> The 2012 Banting Lecture Reversing the twin cycles of Type 2 diabetes.
>
> It has become widely accepted that type 2 diabetes is inevitably life-long,
> with irreversible and progressive beta cell damage. However, the restoration
> of normal glucose metabolism within days after bariatric surgery in the
> majority of people with type 2 diabetes disproves this concept. There is now
> no doubt that this reversal of diabetes depends upon the sudden and profound
> decrease in food intake, and does not relate to any direct surgical effect.
> The Counterpoint study demonstrated that normal glucose levels and normal
> beta cell function could be restored by a very low calorie diet alone. Novel
> magnetic resonance methods were applied to measure intra-organ fat. The
> results showed two different time courses: a) resolution of hepatic insulin
> sensitivity within days along with a rapid fall in liver fat and
> normalisation of fasting glucose levels; and b) return of normal beta cell
> insulin secretion over weeks in step with a fall in pancreas fat. Now that
> it has been possible to observe the pathophysiological events during
> reversal of type 2 diabetes, the reverse time course of events which
> determine the onset of the condition can be identified. The twin cycle
> hypothesis postulates that chronic calorie excess leads to accumulation of
> liver fat with eventual spill over into the pancreas. These self-reinforcing
> cycles between liver and pancreas eventually cause metabolic inhibition of
> insulin secretion after meals and onset of hyperglycaemia. It is now clear
> that Type 2 diabetes is a reversible condition of intra-organ fat excess to
> which some people are more susceptible than others.
> PMID: 23075228
Yes, stopping the causative overeating without harmful
undernourishment by holding to the right amount, which is 32 oz of
daily food, is the absolutely only **healthy** way to remove the
"intra-organ fat excess" ( http://WDJW.net/VAT ) that happens with
overeating:
https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/48e684b2a336961e?
Yes, right amount ( http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach ) control as
Chris Malcolm, MU, **and** Rod Eastman are doing is much more
sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
and
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/522ce5c058224656?
**and**
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/da03131060efa3b5?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/055f2e7cf3c590ee?
Don't be an Ayoob:
https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke
6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://WDJW.net/VAT
... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
EmoryIMVC.org Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?
Virgil
Dec 6, 2012, 5:38:47 AM12/6/12
to
In article
<d953e578-148f-4d6d...@r20g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
Hungry children in classes don't learn, nor allow others in those
classes to do so.
So BE an Ayoob, and like him, support giving all children an adequate
breakfast before school.
"But Keith Ayoob, director of the Rose R. Kennedy Center Nutrition
Clinic at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City, said the
programs aren¹t the problem.
³There is a mountain of research that shows school breakfasts, and
particularly breakfast in the classroom, have a positive outcomes,² he
said, describing a drop in truancy, behavior problems and visits to the
school nurse as well as an improvement in grades. ³School breakfasts are
not making kids overweight. If they¹re eating two breakfasts, parents
need to know that and adjust accordingly at home.²
Speaking to the New York Academy of Medicine Thursday, Ayoob defended
breakfast programs and stressed the importance of parents keeping track
of what their kids are eating.
³We don¹t want some kids going hungry just because some kids are
overeating,² he said. ³A child getting two breakfasts is a much easier
fix.²
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/04/20/school-breakfast-programs-p
anned-for-feeding-kids-twice/
And, apparently, ABChung would rather have kids hungry all the time and
out of control in classes than breakfasted and good students.
--
<d953e578-148f-4d6d...@r20g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
> Don't be an Ayoob
>
> https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
But not for school children when going to classes.
> Don't be an Ayoob
>
> https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
Hungry children in classes don't learn, nor allow others in those
classes to do so.
So BE an Ayoob, and like him, support giving all children an adequate
breakfast before school.
"But Keith Ayoob, director of the Rose R. Kennedy Center Nutrition
Clinic at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City, said the
programs aren¹t the problem.
³There is a mountain of research that shows school breakfasts, and
particularly breakfast in the classroom, have a positive outcomes,² he
said, describing a drop in truancy, behavior problems and visits to the
school nurse as well as an improvement in grades. ³School breakfasts are
not making kids overweight. If they¹re eating two breakfasts, parents
need to know that and adjust accordingly at home.²
Speaking to the New York Academy of Medicine Thursday, Ayoob defended
breakfast programs and stressed the importance of parents keeping track
of what their kids are eating.
³We don¹t want some kids going hungry just because some kids are
overeating,² he said. ³A child getting two breakfasts is a much easier
fix.²
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/04/20/school-breakfast-programs-p
anned-for-feeding-kids-twice/
And, apparently, ABChung would rather have kids hungry all the time and
out of control in classes than breakfasted and good students.
--
Maya Zuiderweg
Dec 6, 2012, 1:17:36 PM12/6/12
to
Op 6-12-2012, heeft Don Roberto verondersteld :
It pays to shop around period. In answer to: it pays to shop around if
you dont have insurance.
M.
you dont have insurance.
M.
Don Roberto
Dec 6, 2012, 8:10:09 PM12/6/12
to
Maya Zuiderweg
Dec 7, 2012, 6:45:46 PM12/7/12
to
Don Roberto had uiteengezet :
Except when...,,insurance,,,,,-----^^^^^^{--} o*+===at random when you
M.
are insured via your work-company.
I can get creative as well lol
M.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dec 7, 2012, 8:04:22 PM12/7/12
to
Don Roberto
Dec 8, 2012, 9:01:44 PM12/8/12
to
GysdeJongh
Dec 8, 2012, 11:15:15 PM12/8/12
to
Don Roberto wrote:
> There's no such thing as creative nonsense.
if you don't have the faintest idea what it might be, it's art
> There's no such thing as creative nonsense.
http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=45492#.UMQQC-TcVv0
Don Roberto
Dec 9, 2012, 4:46:38 AM12/9/12
to
mainframetech
Dec 9, 2012, 8:17:58 AM12/9/12
to
getting to the nutty-gritty...:)
Chris
Don Roberto
Dec 9, 2012, 8:40:29 AM12/9/12
to
Don Roberto
---------------------------------------------
Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday,
lying in hospitals dying of nothing.
--Redd Foxx
High Miles
Dec 9, 2012, 11:20:29 AM12/9/12
to
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dec 10, 2012, 3:36:19 AM12/10/12
to
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dec 12, 2012, 3:03:00 AM12/12/12
to
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dec 20, 2012, 3:22:21 AM12/20/12
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Jan 4, 2013, 3:35:46 AM1/4/13
to
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Jan 6, 2013, 5:53:31 AM1/6/13
to
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Jan 8, 2013, 12:58:50 AM1/8/13
to
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Jan 9, 2013, 4:08:59 AM1/9/13
to
9:42) death:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Jan 10, 2013, 1:58:33 AM1/10/13
to
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Jan 11, 2013, 7:31:08 AM1/11/13
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Solution Manual Antenna Theory and Design (2nd Ed., Stutzman &
Thiele)
Solution Manual Antenna Theory and Design (3rd Ed., Stutzman &
Thiele)
Solution Manual Antennas for All Applications (3rd Ed., John Kraus &
Ronald
Marhefka)
Solution Manual Principles of Neurocomputing for Science and
Engineering
(Fredric M. Ham & Ivica Kostanic)
Solution Manual Introduction to Algorithms (2nd Ed., Cormen, et al.)
Solution Manual Algorithms (Dasgupta, et al.)
Solution Manual Introduction to Random Signals and Applied Kalman
Filtering
with Matlab Exercises (4th Ed., Robert Grover Brown, Patrick Y. C.
Hwang)
Solution Manual Applied Operating Systems Concepts (Silberschatz,
Galvin &
Gagne)
Solution Manual Operating System Concepts (6th Ed., Silberschatz,
Galvin &
Gagne)
Solution Manual Operating System Concepts (7th Ed., Silberschatz,
Galvin &
Gagne)
Solution Manual Operating System Concepts (8th Ed., Silberschatz,
Galvin &
Gagne)
Solution Manual Operating Systems Concepts with Java (6th Ed.,
Silberschatz,
Galvin & Gagne)
Solution Manual Operating System Concepts with Java (7th Ed.,
Silberschatz,
Galvin & Gagne)
Solution Manual Operating System Concepts with Java (8th Ed.,
Silberschatz,
Galvin & Gagne)
Solution Manual C++ Program Design (3rd Ed., Cohoon & Davidson)
Solution Manual Java : Program Design 5.0 (Cohoon & Davidson)
Solution Manual Programming in C++ : Lessons and Applications
(Timothy
B.
D'Orazio)
Solution Manual Applied C : An Introduction and More (Alice Fischer)
Solution Manual Programming Languages : Principles and Paradigms (1st
Ed.,
Allen Tucker & Robert Noonan)
Solution Manual Programming Languages : Principles and Paradigms (2nd
Ed.,
Allen Tucker & Robert Noonan)
Solution Manual Introduction to Parallel Computing (2nd Ed., Grama,
Karypis,
Kumar & Gupta)
Solution Manual Parallel Programming in C with MPI and Open MP
(Michael J
Quinn)
Solution Manual Data Communications and Network Security (Houston H.
Carr &
Charles Snyder)
Solution Manual Data Communications and Networks (David Miller)
Solution Manual Management Information Systems (3rd Ed., Post &
Anderson)
Solution Manual Management Information Systems (4th Ed., Post &
Anderson)
Solution Manual Database Management Systems (3rd Ed. Post)
Solution Manual Management Information Systems (9th Ed., James A.
O'Brien,
George Marakas)
Solution Manual Introduction to Systems Analysis and Design (Whitten
&
Bentley)
Solution Manual Systems Analysis & Design : An Active Approach (2nd
Ed.,
Marakas)
Solution Manual An Introduction to Object-Oriented Programming with
Java
(4th Ed., C. Thomas Wu - Otani)
Solution Manual An Introduction to Object-Oriented Programming with
Java
(5th Ed., C. Thomas Wu - Otani)
Solution Manual A Comprehensive Introduction to Object-Oriented
Programming
With Java (C. Thomas Wu)
Solution Manual Data Structures and the Java Collections Framework
(1st Ed.,
William Collins)
Solution Manual Data Structures and the Java Collections Framework
(2nd Ed.,
William Collins)
Solution Manual Data Structures and the Standard Template Library
(William
Collins)
Solution Manual Database System Concepts (4th Ed., Silberschatz)
Solution Manual Database System Concepts (5th Ed., Silberschatz)
Solution Manual Database System Concepts (6th Ed., Silberschatz,
Korth
&
Sudarshan)
Solution Manual Database Management Systems (3rd Ed., Ramakrishnan &
Gehrke)
Solution Manual Fundamentals of Network Security (Eric Maiwald)
Solution Manual Computing Concepts (1st Ed., Haag, et al.)
Solution Manual Computing Concepts (2nd Ed., Haag et al.)
Solution Manual Microsoft Office 2003 (Haag et al.)
Solution Manual Advanced Programming Using Visual Basic .NET (2nd
Ed.,
Julia
Case Bradley & Anita Millspaugh)
Solution Manual Advanced Programming Using Visual Basic 2005 (3rd
Ed.,
Julia
Case Bradley & Anita Millspaugh)
Solution Manual Programming with Java (Julia Case Bradley & Anita
Millspaugh)
Solution Manual Programming in C#.Net (1st Ed., Julia Case Bradley &
Anita
Millspaugh)
Solution Manual Programming in Visual C# 2005 (2nd Ed., Julia Case
Bradley &
Anita Millspaugh)
Solution Manual Learning Programming Using Visual Basic.Net (Bill
Burrows &
Joe Lanford)
Solution Manual Programming in Visual Basic.NET : Visual Basic.NET
2005 (6th
Ed., Julia Case Bradley & Anita Millspaugh)
Solution Manual Programming in Visual Basic .Net : 2003 Update
Edition
(5th
Ed., Julia Case Bradley & Anita Millspaugh)
Solution Manual Survey of Operating Systems (2nd Ed., Jane Holcombe &
Charles Holcombe)
Solution Manual Principles of Voice and Data Communications (Regis J.
Bates
& Marcus Bates)
Solution Manual Mike Meyers' Network+ Guide To Managing and
Troubleshooting
Networks (Michael Meyers)
Solution Manual Introduction to Windows Server 2003 (Eric Ecklund)
Solution Manual Programming The Web : An Introduction (Barrie
Sosinsky
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Valda Hilley)
Solution Manual Programming The Web Using XML (Ellen Pearlman &
Eileen
Mullin)
Solution Manual Internet Marketing : Building Advantage in a
Networked
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Solution Manual Internet Technologies at Work (Fred T. Hofstetter)
Solution Manual Internet Literacy (4th Ed., Fred T. Hofstetter)
Solution Manual Software Engineering : A Practitioner's Approach (5th
Ed.,
Roger Pressman)
Solution Manual Software Engineering : A Practitioner's Approach (6th
Ed.,
Roger Pressman)
Solution Manual Software Engineering : A Practitioner's Approach (7th
Ed.,
Roger Pressman)
Solution Manual Web Engineering : A Practioner's Approach (1st Ed.,
Roger S.
Pressman & David Lowe)
Solution Manual Object-Oriented Software Engineering (Stephen Schach)
Solution Manual Object-Oriented and Classical Software Engineering
(5th Ed.,
Steve Schach)
Solution Manual Object-Oriented and Classical Software Engineering
(6th Ed.,
Steve Schach)
Solution Manual Object-Oriented and Classical Software Engineering
(7th Ed.,
Steve Schach)
Solution Manual Object-Oriented and Classical Software Engineering
(8th Ed.,
Steve Schach)
Solution Manual Introduction to Object-Oriented Analysis and Design
(Steve
Schach)
Solution Manual Communication Networks (2nd Ed., Alberto Leon-Garcia
&
Indra
Widjaja)
Solution Manual Fundamentals of Digital Logic with Verilog Design
(1st
Ed.,
Stephen Brown & Zvonko Vranesic)
Solution Manual Fundamentals of Digital Logic with Verilog Design
(2nd
Ed.,
Stephen Brown & Zvonko Vranesic)
Solution Manual Continuous and Discrete Control Systems (John Dorsey)
Solution Manual Engineering Circuit Analysis (6th Ed., William Hayt,
Jack
Kemmerly & Steven Durbin)
Solution Manual Engineering Circuit Analysis (7th Ed., William Hayt,
Jack
Kemmerly & Steven Durbin)
Solution Manual Engineering Electromagnetics (7th Ed., William Hayt &
John
Buck)
Solution Manual Engineering Electromagnetics (8th Ed., William Hayt &
John
Buck)
Solution Manual Principles of Electronic Materials and Devices (2nd
Ed.,
Safa O. Kasap)
Solution Manual Principles of Electronic Materials and Devices (3rd
Ed.,
Safa O. Kasap)
Solution Manual Programming in Haskell (Graham Hutton)
Solution Manual Probability and Random Processes With Applications to
Signal
Processing and Communications (Miller & Childers)
Solution Manual Logic in Computer Science : Modelling and Reasoning
about
Systems (2nd Ed., Michael Huth & Mark Ryan)
Solution Manual Introduction to Distributed Algorithms (2nd., Gerard
Tel)
Solution Manual Information Theory, Inference and Learning Algorithms
(David
J. C. MacKay)
Solution Manual Digital Systems Engineering (William Dally & John
Poulton)
Solution Manual Concepts in Programming Languages (by John Mitchell)
Solution Manual Simulation Modeling and Analysis (3rd Ed., Averill
Law
&
David Kealton)
Solution Manual Simulation Modeling and Analysis with Expertfit
Software
(4th Ed., Averill Law)
Solution Manual System Modeling and Analysis : Foundations of System
Performance Evaluation (Hisashi Kobayashi & Brian Mark)
Solution Manual Wireless Communications (Andrea Goldsmith)
Solution Manual Testing of Digital Systems (N. K. Jha & S. Gupta)
Solution Manual Space-Time Coding (Hamid Jafarkhani)
Solution Manual Space-Time Block Coding for Wireless Communications
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Larsson & Petre Stoica)
Solution Manual Smart Electronic Materials : Fundamentals and
Applications
(Jasprit Singh)
Solution Manual Radio-Frequency Electronics : Circuits and
Applications (Jon
Hagen)
Solution Manual Photonic Devices (Jia-ming Liu)
Solution Manual Networking Wireless Sensors (Bhaskar Krishnamachari)
Solution Manual Mobile Wireless Communications (Mischa Schwartz)
Solution Manual Introduction to Color Imaging Science (Hsien-Che Lee)
Solution Manual Fundamentals of Wireless Communication (David Tse &
Pramod
Viswanath)
Solution Manual Fundamentals of Modern VLSI Devices (Yuan Taur & Tak
H.
Ning)
Solution Manual Electronic and Optoelectronic Properties of
Semiconductor
Structures (Jasprit Singh)
Solution Manual An Introduction to Statistical Signal Processing
(Robert M.
Gray)
Solution Manual An Introduction to Radio Frequency Engineering
(Christopher
Coleman)
Solution Manual Algebraic Codes for Data Transmission (Richard
Blahut)
Solution Manual Fundamentals of Solid State Electronics (C.T. Sah)
Solution Manual Fundamentals of Solid State Engineering (2nd Ed.,
Manijeh
Razeghi)
Solution Manual Robot Modeling and Control (Spong, Hutchinson &
Vidyasagar)
Solution Manual Theory of Applied Robotics : Kinematics, Dynamics and
Control (Reza N. Jazar)
Solution Manual Control of Robot Manipulators in Joint Space (R.
Kelly, V.
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Solution Manual Modelling and Control of Robot Manipulators (2nd Ed.,
Lorenzo Sciavicco, Bruno Siciliano)
Solution Manual Robotics : Modelling, Planning and Control (Bruno
Siciliano,
Lorenzo Sciavicco, Luigi Villani & Giuseppe Oriolo)
Solution Manual Fundamentals of Semiconductor Fabrication (Gary S.
May,
Simon M. Sze)
Solution Manual Semiconductor Devices : Physics and Technology (2nd
Ed,
Simon M. Sze)
Solution Manual Semiconductor Devices : Physics and Technology (3rd
Ed,
Simon M. Sze & Ming-Kwei Lee)
Solution Manual Electric Machinery (6th Ed., Fitzgerald)
Solution Manual Electric Machinery Fundamentals (4th Ed., Chapman)
Solution Manual Electric Machinery Fundamentals (5th Ed., Chapman)
Solution Manual Electric Machinery and Power System Fundamentals
(Chapman)
Solution Manual Local Area Networks (2nd Ed., Keiser)
Solution Manual Signals and Systems : Analysis of Signals Through
Linear
Systems (1st Ed., M.J. Roberts)
Solution Manual Fundamentals of Signals and Systems (M.J. Roberts)
Solution Manual Introduction to Signals and Systems (Lindner)
Solution Manual Semiconductor Physics and Devices : Basic Principles
(3rd
Ed., Donald Neamen)
Solution Manual Semiconductor Physics and Devices : Basic Principles
(4th
Ed., Donald Neamen)
Solution Manual An Introduction to Semiconductor Devices (Donald
Neamen)
Solution Manual Microelectronic Circuit Analysis and Design (3rd Ed.,
Donald
Neamen)
Solution Manual Microelectronic Circuit Analysis and Design (4th Ed.,
Donald
Neamen)
Solution Manual Electronic Circuit Analysis and Design (2nd Ed.,
Donald
Neamen)
Solution Manual Design for Electrical and Computer Engineers (1st
Ed.,
Ralph
Ford & Chris Coulston)
Solution Manual Fundamentals of Modeling and Analyzing Engineering
Systems
(Cha, Rosenberg, Dym)
Solution Manual Linear Systems (Panos J. Antsaklis & Anthony N.
Michel)
Solution Manual A Linear Systems Primer (Panos J. Antsaklis & Anthony
N.
Michel)
Solution Manual Principles of Linear Systems (Philip E. Sarachik)
Solution Manual Linear Systems Control : Deterministic and Stochastic
Methods (Elbert Hendricks, Ole Jannerup & Paul Haase S�rensen)
Solution Manual Power Systems Harmonics : Fundamentals, Analysis and
Filter
Design (George J. Wakileh)
Solution Manual Principles of Adaptive Filters and Self-learning
Systems
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Solution Manual Algebraic Methods for Nonlinear Control Systems (2nd
Ed.,
Conte, Moog & Perdon)
Solution Manual Discrete-Time Control Systems (2nd Ed., K. Ogata)
Solution Manual Modern Control Engineering - Problems B (3rd Ed., K.
Ogata)
Solution Manual Modern Control Engineering (4th Ed., K. Ogata)
Solution Manual Modern Control Engineering (5th Ed., K. Ogata)
Solution Manual Modern Control Engineering - International Version
(5th Ed.,
K. Ogata)
Solution Manual LabVIEW 8 Student Edition (Bishop)
Solution Manual LabVIEW 2009 Student Edition (Bishop)
Solution Manual Learning with LabVIEW 2009 (Bishop)
Solution Manual Introduction to Feedback Control (Li Qiu & Kemin
Zhou)
Solution Manual Modeling and Simulation of Dynamic Systems (Robert
Woods,
Jr. & Kent Lawrence)
Solution Manual Feedback Control Systems (4th Ed., Charles L.
Phillips,
Royce D. Harbor)
Solution Manual Feedback Control Systems (5th Ed., Charles L.
Phillips, John
Parr)
Solution Manual Feedback Control of Dynamic Systems (4th Ed., Gene
Franklin,
J.D. Powell, Abbas Emami-Naeini)
Solution Manual Feedback Control of Dynamic Systems (5th Ed., Gene
Franklin,
J.D. Powell, Abbas Emami-Naeini)
Solution Manual Feedback Control of Dynamic Systems (6th Ed., Gene
Franklin,
J.D. Powell, Abbas Emami-Naeini)
Solution Manual Feedback Control of Dynamic Systems - International
Version
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Solution Manual Predictive Control with Constraints (Jan Maciejowski)
Solution Manual Computer Numerical Control : Operation and
Programming
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Ed., Stenerson & Curran)
Solution Manual Engineering Problem Solving with C (3rd Ed., Etter)
Solution Manual Engineering Problem Solving with C++ (2nd Ed., Etter)
Solution Manual Process Control Instrumentation Technology (8th Ed.,
Johnson)
Solution Manual Electrical Power and Controls (2nd Ed., Skvarenina &
DeWitt)
Solution Manual Electronics and Computer Math (8th Ed., Deem &
Zannini)
Solution Manual Circuits, Signals, and Systems for Bioengineers : A
MATLAB-Based Introduction (John Semmlow)
Solution Manual Signals and Systems for Bioengineers : A MATLAB-Based
Introduction (2nd Ed., John Semmlow)
Solution Manual VLSI Test Principles and Architectures : Design for
Testability (Laung-Terng Wang, Cheng-Wen Wu & Xiaoqing Wen)
Solution Manual Mechatronics : Principles and Applications (Godfrey
Onwubolu)
Solution Manual Mechatronics (Sabri Cetinkunt)
Solution Manual Introduction to Mechatronic Design (J. Edward
Carryer,
Matthew Ohline & Thomas Kenny)
Solution Manual Introduction to Mechatronics and Measurement Systems
(2nd
Ed., David Alciatore & Michael Histand)
Solution Manual Introduction to Mechatronics and Measurement Systems
(3rd
Ed., David Alciatore & Michael Histand)
Solution Manual Introduction to Mechatronics and Measurement Systems
(4th
Ed., David Alciatore & Michael Histand)
Solution Manual Machine Vision : Theory, Algorithms, Practicalities
(3rd
Ed., E. R. Davies)
Solution Manual Essential Java for Scientists and Engineers (Brian D.
Hahn &
Katherine M. Malan)
Solution Manual Guide to Microsoft Excel 2002 for Scientists and
Engineers
(3rd Ed., Bernard V. Liengme)
Solution Manual 10-Key Touch Key : Developing Speed and Accuracy
(Burton)
Solution Manual Introduction to C++ Programming, Brief Version (Y.
Daniel
Liang)
Solution Manual Introduction to C++ Programming, Comprehensive (Y.
Daniel
Liang)
Solution Manual C++ for Business Programmers (2nd Ed., John C.
Molluzzo)
Solution Manual Introduction to Java Programming - Brief Version (7th
Ed.,
Liang)
Solution Manual Introduction to Java Programming - Brief Version (8th
Ed.,
Liang)
Solution Manual Introduction to Java Programming - Brief Version -
International Edition (8th Ed., Liang)
Solution Manual Introduction to Java Programming - Comprehensive
Version
(6th Ed., Liang)
Solution Manual Introduction to Java Programming - Comprehensive
Version
(7th Ed., Liang)
Solution Manual Introduction to Java Programming - Comprehensive
Version
(8th Ed., Liang)
Solution Manual Introduction to Java Programming - Comprehensive
Version -
International Edition (8th Ed., Liang)
Solution Manual Introduction to Java Programming : Fundamentals First
(6th
Ed., Y. Daniel Liang)
Solution Manual Objects First With Java : A Practical Introduction
Using
BlueJ (3rd Ed., Barnes & Kolling)
Solution Manual Simply Java Programming : An Application-DrivenT
Tutorial
Approach (Deitel)
Solution Manual ADTs, Data Structures, and Problem Solving with C++
(2nd
Ed., Larry R. Nyhoff)
Solution Manual Java : An Introduction to Computing (Joel Adams,
Larry
R.
Nyhoff & Jeffrey Nyhoff)
Solution Manual Advanced JavaT 2 Platform How to Program (Deitel &
Santry)
Solution Manual SQL for SQL Server (Bijoy Bordoloi & Douglas B. Bock)
Solution Manual SQL Clearly Explained (3rd Ed., Jan Harrington)
Solution Manual An Introduction to Programming Using Visual Basic
2005
(6th
Ed., Schneider)
Solution Manual An Introduction to Programming Using Visual Basic
2008
(7th
Ed., Schneider)
Solution Manual An Introduction to Programming Using Visual Basic
2010
(8th
Ed., Schneider)
Solution Manual Simply Visual Basic .NET (Harvey M. Deitel, Paul J.
Deitel,
Tem R. Nieto)
Solution Manual Simply Visual Basic 2005 (2nd Ed., Harvey & Paul
Deitel)
Solution Manual Simply Visual Basic 2008 (3rd Ed., Harvey & Paul
Deitel)
Solution Manual Visual Basic 2005 How to Program (3rd Ed., Deitel)
Solution Manual Visual Basic 2008 How to Program (4th Ed., Deitel)
Solution Manual Visual Basic 2010 How to Program (5th Ed., Deitel)
Solution Manual An Introduction to Programming with Visual Basic 6.0
(4th
Ed., Schneider)
Solution Manual Visual Basic.Net Programming (2nd Ed., Jeffrey Tsay)
Solution Manual Simply Visual Basic .NET (Harvey & Paul Deitel &
Nieto)
Solution Manual Mechatronics (Sabri Cetinkunt)
Solution Manual PC Systems, Installation and Maintenance (2nd Ed.,
R.P.
Beales)
Solution Manual Introduction to Linear Programming (Leonid N.
Vaserstein)
Solution Manual Electric Circuits Fundamentals (8th Ed., Thomas
Floyd)
Solution Manual Introductory Circuit Analysis (11th Ed., Robert L.
Boylestad)
Solution Manual Introductory Circuit Analysis (12th Ed., Robert L.
Boylestad)
Solution Manual Principles of Electric Circuits : Conventional
Current
Version (8th Ed., Thomas Floyd)
Solution Manual Principles of Electric Circuits : Conventional
Current
Version (9th Ed., Thomas Floyd)
Solution Manual Principles of Electric Circuits : Electron Flow
Version (8th
Ed., Thomas L. Floyd)
Solution Manual Principles of Electric Circuits : Electron Flow
Version (9th
Ed., Thomas L. Floyd)
Solution Manual Contemporary Electric Circuits : Insights and
Analysis
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ed., Strangeway, Petersen, Gassert & Lokken)
Solution Manual Introductory Electronic Devices and Circuits :
Electron Flow
Version (7th Ed., Paynter)
Solution Manual Introductory Electronic Devices and Circuits :
Conventional
Flow Version (7th Ed., Paynter)
Solution Manual Electronics Technology Fundamentals : Conventional
Flow (2nd
Ed., Robert T. Paynter & Toby Boydell)
Solution Manual Electronics Technology Fundamentals : Conventional
Flow (3rd
Ed., Robert T. Paynter & Toby Boydell)
Solution Manual Electronics Technology Fundamentals : Electron Flow
(2nd
Ed., Robert T. Paynter, Toby Boydell)
Solution Manual Electronics Technology Fundamentals : Electron Flow
(3rd
Ed., Robert T. Paynter, Toby Boydell)
Solution Manual Introductory DC/AC Circuits (6th Ed., Nigel P. Cook)
Solution Manual Introductory DC/AC Electronics (6th Ed., Nigel P.
Cook)
Solution Manual Electronic Devices : Conventional Current Version
(7th
Ed.,
Floyd)
Solution Manual Electronic Devices : Conventional Current Version
(8th
Ed.,
Floyd)
Solution Manual Electronic Devices : Electron Flow Version (7th,
Floyd)
Solution Manual Electronic Devices : Electron Flow Version (8th,
Floyd)
Solution Manual Electronics Fundamentals : Circuits, Devices and
Applications (7th Ed., Thomas L. Floyd)
Solution Manual Electronics Fundamentals : Circuits, Devices and
Applications (8th Ed., Floyd & Buchla)
Solution Manual Electronic Devices and Circuit Theory (9th Ed.,
Boylestad,
Nashelsky)
Solution Manual Electronic Devices and Circuit Theory (10th Ed.,
Boylestad,
Nashelsky)
Solution Manual The Science of Electronics : DC/AC (David M. Buchla,
Thomas
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Solution Manual The Science of Electronics : Digital (Floyd & Buchla)
Solution Manual The Science of Electronics: Analog Devices (Floyd &
Buchla)
Solution Manual Digital Electronics : A Practical Approach (7th Ed.,
Kleitz)
Solution Manual Digital Electronics : A Practical Approach (8th Ed.,
Kleitz)
Solution Manual Digital Systems : Principles and Applications (10th
Ed.,
Tocci, Widmer & Moss)
Solution Manual Digital Systems : Principles and Applications (11th
Ed.,
Tocci, Widmer & Moss)
Solution Manual Digital Electronics with VHDL - Quartus II Version
(Kleitz)
Solution Manual Digital Fundamentals (9th Ed., Floyd)
Solution Manual Digital Fundamentals (10th Ed., Floyd)
Solution Manual Digital Fundamentals with PLD Programming (Thomas L.
Floyd)
Solution Manual The 8051 Microcontroller (4th Ed., MacKenzie & Chung-
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Solution Manual The 8051 Microcontroller and Embedded Systems (2nd
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Solution Manual INTEL Microprocessors 8086/8088, 80186/80188, 80286,
80386,
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Solution Manual Microcontroller Technology : The 68HC11 (5th Ed.,
Peter
Spasov)
Solution Manual PIC Microcontroller (Muhammad Ali Mazidi, Rolin
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Solution Manual HCS12 Microcontrollers and Embedded Systems : Using
Assembly
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Mazidi)
Solution Manual The x86 PC : Assembly Language, Design, and
Interfacing (5th
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Solution Manual The AVR Microcontroller and Embedded Systems : Using
Assembly and C (Muhammad Ali Mazidi, Sarmad Naimi & and Sepehr Naimi)
Solution Manual Industrial Electronics (James A. Rehg, Glenn J.
Sartori)
Solution Manual Programmable Controllers Using the Allen-Bradley
SlC-500
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Solution Manual Programmable Logic Controllers (James A. Rehg, Glenn
J.
Sartori)
Solution Manual Fundamentals of Programmable Logic Controllers,
Sensors, and
Communications (3rd Ed., Jon Stenerson)
Solution Manual An Introduction to Programming with Visual Basic 6.0,
Update
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Solution Manual C++ Programming Today (1st Ed., Barbara Johnston)
Solution Manual C++ Programming Today (2nd Ed., Barbara Johnston)
Solution Manual Introduction to Data Communications and Networking
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Solution Manual Introduction to Telecommunications (2nd Ed., Martha
Rosengrant)
Solution Manual Network Security Essentials : Applications and
Standards
(3rd Ed., William Stallings)
Solution Manual Network Security Essentials : Applications and
Standards
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Solution Manual Information Security: Principles and Practices (Mark
Merkow,
James Breithaupt)
Solution Manual Principles and Practice of Information Security
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Volonino, Stephen R. Robinson)
Solution Manual Principles of Electronic Communication Systems (3rd
Ed.,
Louis E. Frenzel)
Solution Manual Modern Electronic Communication (8th Ed., Jeff
Beasley, Gary
M. Miller)
Solution Manual Modern Electronic Communication (9th Ed., Jeff
Beasley, Gary
M. Miller)
Solution Manual Electronic Communications for Technicians (2nd ed.,
Tom
Wheeler)
Solution Manual Concepts In Systems and Signals (2nd Ed., John D.
Sherrick)
Solution Manual Understanding Fiber Optics (5th Ed., Jeff Hecht)
Solution Manual Understanding UNIX/LINUX Programming : A Guide to
Theory and
Practice (Bruce Molay)
Solution Manual Applying PIC18 Microcontrollers : Architecture,
Programming,
and Interfacing using C and Assembly (Barry Brey)
Solution Manual Electrical Power and Controls (2nd Ed., Timothy L.
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Solution Manual Process Control Instrumentation Technology (8th Ed.,
Curtis
Johnson)
Solution Manual Electrical Machines, Drives and Power Systems (6th
Ed.,
Theodore Wildi)
Solution Manual Introduction to Vacuum Technology (David M. Hata)
Solution Manual Electronic Project Design and Fabrication (6th Ed.,
Ronald
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Solution Manual Technology and Society (3rd Ed., Linda Hjorth,
Barbara
A.
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Solution Manual Solid State Electronic Devices (6th Ed., Ben
Streetman,
Sanjay Banerjee)
Solution Manual Approaching Quantum Computing (Dan C. Marinescu &
Gabriela
M. Marinescu)
Solution Manual Foundations of MEMS (Chang Liu)
Solution Manual Foundations of MEMS (2nd Ed., Chang Liu)
Solution Manual Basic Electromagnetics with Applications (Nannapaneni
Narayana Rao)
Solution Manual Elements of Engineering Electromagnetics (6th Ed.,
Nannapaneni Narayana Rao)
Solution Manual Fundamentals of Electromagnetics for Electrical and
Computer
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Solution Manual Principles of Digital Design (Daniel D. Gajski)
Solution Manual Digital Design (4th Ed., M. Morris Mano & Michael D.
Ciletti)
Solution Manual Digital Design (5th Ed., M. Morris Mano & Michael D.
Ciletti)
Solution Manual Digital Design : Principles and Practices Package
(4th
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Solution Manual VHDL: A Starter's Guide (2nd Ed., Sudhakar
Yalamanchili)
Solution Manual Computer Organization and Architecture : Designing
for
Performance (7th Ed., William Stallings)
Solution Manual Computer Organization and Architecture : Designing
for
Performance (8th Ed., William Stallings)
Solution Manual Parallel Programming : Techniques and Applications
Using
Networked Workstations and Parallel Computers (2nd Ed., Barry
Wilkinson &
Michael Allen)
Solution Manual Fundamentals of Parallel Processing (Harry F. Jordan
&
Gita
Alaghband)
Solution Manual Digital and Analog Communication Systems (7th Ed.,
Leon W.
Couch)
Solution Manual Digital and Analog Communication Systems (8th Ed.,
Leon W.
Couch)
Solution Manual Digital Communications (4th Ed., John Proakis)
Solution Manual Digital Communications (5th Ed., John Proakis)
Solution Manual Fundamentals of Communication Systems (John G.
Proakis
&
Masoud Salehi)
Solution Manual Communication Systems Engineering (2nd Ed., John G.
Proakis
& Masoud Salehi)
Solution Manual Principles of Digital Communication and Coding
(Andrew
J.
Viterbi, Jim K. Omura)
Solution Manual Modern Wireless Communications (Simon Haykin, Michael
Moher)
Solution Manual ISDN and Broadband ISDN with Frame Relay and ATM (4th
Ed.,
William Stallings)
Solution Manual Data and Computer Communications (8th Ed., William
Stallings)
Solution Manual Cryptography and Network Security (4th Ed., William
Stallings)
Solution Manual Cryptography and Network Security : Principles and
Practice
(5th Ed., William Stallings)
Solution Manual Computer Networking with Internet Protocols (William
Stallings)
Solution Manual Local and Metropolitan Area Networks (6th Ed.,
William
Stallings)
Solution Manual Probabilistic Systems and Random Signals (Abraham
Haddad)
Solution Manual Error Control Coding (2nd Ed., Shu Lin & Daniel J.
Costello)
Solution Manual Wireless Communications & Networks (2nd ed., William
Stallings)
Solution Manual Wireless Communications and Networking (Jon W. Mark,
Weihua
Zhuang)
Solution Manual Detection and Estimation Theory (Thomas Schonhoff &
Arthur
Giordano)
Solution Manual Digital Control System Analysis and Design (3rd Ed.,
Charles
L. Phillips, H. Troy Nagle)
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Feb 1, 2013, 8:37:16 PM2/1/13
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Feb 2, 2013, 5:51:41 AM2/2/13
to
"Should a deficiency occur in one or more of these workers, of whom
there are twelve, some abnormal condition arises.
"These abnormal conditions are known by the general term disease, and
according as they manifest themselves in different parts of the body,
they have been designated by various names. But these names totally
fail to express the real trouble.
"Every disease which afflicts the human race is due to a lack of one
or more of these inorganic workers. Every pain or unpleasant sensation
indicates a lack of some inorganic constituent of the body. Health and
strength can be maintained only so long as the system is properly
supplied with these call-salts."
--The Biochemic Handbook
by JB Chapman MD and Edward L Parry MD
Online Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8
Reg
there are twelve, some abnormal condition arises.
"These abnormal conditions are known by the general term disease, and
according as they manifest themselves in different parts of the body,
they have been designated by various names. But these names totally
fail to express the real trouble.
"Every disease which afflicts the human race is due to a lack of one
or more of these inorganic workers. Every pain or unpleasant sensation
indicates a lack of some inorganic constituent of the body. Health and
strength can be maintained only so long as the system is properly
supplied with these call-salts."
--The Biochemic Handbook
by JB Chapman MD and Edward L Parry MD
Online Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8
Reg
Dakota
Feb 2, 2013, 8:55:59 AM2/2/13
to
post this seven time?
No need to answer. It's best if you simply shut off your computer and
never turn it on again.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Feb 26, 2013, 10:05:40 PM2/26/13
to
... and encouraging born-again (John 3:3 & 5) friends like Rod Eastman
( http://WDJW.net ) to also pray for Ken simply because we really love
him as our LORD loves and commands (John 15:12-3) with all glory to
GOD the Father:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/42797e450fd691c1?
Don't be an Ayoob:
( http://WDJW.net ) to also pray for Ken simply because we really love
him as our LORD loves and commands (John 15:12-3) with all glory to
GOD the Father:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/42797e450fd691c1?
Don't be an Ayoob:
https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke
6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://WDJW.net/VAT
... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
EmoryIMVC.org Cardiologist (GA Lic#04037)
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke
6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://WDJW.net/VAT
... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e66adf59151b12b6?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
May 20, 2013, 2:14:22 PM5/20/13
to
... and encouraging born-again (John 3:3 & 5) friends like Rod Eastman
( http://WDJW.net ) to also pray for Ken simply because we really love
him as our LORD loves and commands (John 15:12-3) with all glory to
GOD the Father:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/42797e450fd691c1?
Don't be an Ayoob:
https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke
6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://WDJW.net/VAT
... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Emory's IMVC.org Cardiologist (GA Lic#040347)
( http://WDJW.net ) to also pray for Ken simply because we really love
him as our LORD loves and commands (John 15:12-3) with all glory to
GOD the Father:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/42797e450fd691c1?
Don't be an Ayoob:
https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke
6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://WDJW.net/VAT
... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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