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SheaNC

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Nov 9, 2009, 12:09:20 AM11/9/09
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I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in 2000, and since then I have been
very bad about testing, diet, exercise, etc. Now I am having problems that
seem like alzheimer's. Memory, concentration, thinking processes all seem in
serious decline. A little research online and I have learned of the severe
impact type 2 diabetes can have on cognitive functioning. Now it has
effected my life in terrible ways, and I am terribly depressed along with
that. I recently began taking insulin, but I don't know if I can ever get
back what I have lost.

Has anyone else here dealt with this issue? I would appreciate any thoughts,
from anyone.

Thanks.

Ike

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Nov 9, 2009, 1:09:01 AM11/9/09
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Don't worry about getting back what you may have lost - instead, try to
keep what you still have (retinas, kidneys, limbs, etc.). It's less
depressing...

1. Are you under the care of a diabetologist (an endocrinologist with
specific focus on diabetes)?
2. What medications failed to control your BG, leading your physician to
prescribe insulin?
3. How do you measure your (comparative) cognitive function? It is
possible that you are functioning at a HIGHER level, which enables you
to detect and remember faults/errors/etc. that went unnoticed in the
past. When the fog clears, it's easier to see problems. You need an
objective measurement method, and a specialist to use it.

Good luck!

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Nov 9, 2009, 1:42:20 AM11/9/09
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No such thing as luck either good or bad (Proverbs 16:33).

The cognitive decline is not due to type-2 diabetes but rather due to
the root cause of the type-2 diabetes, which is the VAT.

Be hungrier, which truly is healthier because it is the only way to
lose the VAT:

http://WDJW.net/BeSmart

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Trust the Truth:"
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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Nov 9, 2009, 3:29:37 AM11/9/09
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BlueBrooke wrote:
> "SheaNC wrote:
>
> > I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in 2000, and since then I have been
> > very bad about testing, diet, exercise, etc. Now I am having problems that
> > seem like alzheimer's. Memory, concentration, thinking processes all seem in
> > serious decline. A little research online and I have learned of the severe
> > impact type 2 diabetes can have on cognitive functioning. Now it has
> > effected my life in terrible ways, and I am terribly depressed along with
> > that. I recently began taking insulin, but I don't know if I can ever get
> > back what I have lost.
> >
> > Has anyone else here dealt with this issue? I would appreciate any thoughts,
> > from anyone.
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> Yes, quite recently, as a matter of fact. My father just had to put
> his wife in a care facility last week because of exactly this. She is
> only in her early sixties, but her condition declined so drastically
> and so rapidly, even the doctor was taken by surprise.
>
> When my father couldn't get an appointment -- "Oh, she's fine. It can
> wait." -- he finally just showed up at the office with her a couple of
> weeks ago. "Wow -- it really got bad fast, didn't it?"
>
> As far as I can tell, it was less than five years ago that they
> started suspecting she might have "some kind of problem." I had my
> last "uncoached" conversation with her -- where my father didn't have
> to tell her who I was or what to say -- about two years ago.
>
> As a trained nurse, she was convinced that she was doing what she was
> supposed to do by following the recommended low-fat, high-carb diet,
> using insulin and meds to try to cover it, and taking a walk every
> day.
>
> He told me yesterday that her BG is "out of control." When I said
> it's probably because of what she's eating, he said that can't be it
> because they have dieticians there.

It is because of her having VAT from not eating the right amount (32
oz/) of food daily.

> I am furious. She is a great, wonderful lady.
>
> I don't know if you can get back what you've lost or not. But I would
> heartily suggest that you take the bull by the horns and start with
> trying to keep what you still have.
>
> This will help:
>
> http://alt-support-diabetes.org/new.php
>
> Good luck to you.

No such thing as luck either good or bad (Proverbs 16:33)

Be hungrier, which truly is healthier especially for diabetics:

ver...@gefinden.com

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Nov 9, 2009, 10:39:25 AM11/9/09
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> Good luck!

"No such thing as luck either good or bad (Proverbs 16:33)."

Mis-guided opinion:

""The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)"

and:

"Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD allows
it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):"

Truth:

The first refers to the practice described in the OT of casting "lots",
like dice, to determine God's will on some decision.

Here is the actual text of
the second:

I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift,
nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet
riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time
and chance happeneth to them all.

We see it is not related to "lots" and says specifically that "luck" as
"chance" plays a role in human events.

Other mentions of "chance" appear also but this one from the lips of our
Lord in the parable of the "good Samaritan" serves:

"And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and
when he saw him, he passed by on the other side."

Amen.

God bless.


Julie Bove

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Nov 9, 2009, 12:03:21 PM11/9/09
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"SheaNC" <z...@z.net> wrote in message
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Yep! I felt depressed when I was first diagnosed, mainly because I had
several other health issues that the Drs. were not addressing. It took
several years to get that sorted out and to this day I am not sure it is all
sorted out but it is a lot better. I can walk now. Not very far and not
very fast but it's better than having to scoot across the floor or crawl and
wonder if I would have the strength to get myself upright to use my walker!

As for the memory stuff, I don't know what to say. I forget to take my
pills. I forget to shoot my insulin. The worst thing I've done in the past
couple of weeks was first off forget to take my morning pills on three
different days. But worse still, on one of those days at some point, I
*did* take the pills and I don't remember doing it. I also have hypos from
taking too many pills. I portion out my pills 2 weeks at a time. It helps
somewhat, but certainly not always.


Tiger Lily

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Nov 9, 2009, 2:46:37 PM11/9/09
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hi bg levels make me very 'sluggish' or slow in my thinking

getting good bg levels and keeping them there has solved this problem for me

you may want to research Alpha Lipoic Acid for the benefits it can
provide you

good luck

kate

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Nov 10, 2009, 3:18:08 AM11/10/09
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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fc0dbb95c761043a?

<><

Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!

http://T3WiJ.com

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"

Tim Shoppa

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Nov 10, 2009, 9:45:14 AM11/10/09
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I'm T1, not T2, but my story about memory problems:

I was diagnosed as I was teetering in and out of DKA coma in the
summer of 1982, going into 9th grade. Spent two weeks in the hospital
recovering and learning the ropes. I know that during the second week
my parents were visiting me while the doc was there and the doc
started asking me questions: What grade am I in? What school do I go
to? Who is my teacher? I answered all the questions with confidence
and real quick, but my parents started looking concerned. It seems I
was giving all the right answers, but for 5th grade, not 8th grade!

I immediately knew the right answer after being reminded, and was
really honestly stumped as to how I could be out of whack by three
years. I'm guessing the initial onset of Alzheimer's might be similar
in that others could notice the problem before we do ourselves.

I don't think I had Alzheimer's, the DKA or recovery from it had
caused some cerebral edema, at least reading about DKA today it seems
to be a risk if blood sugars are lowered too rapidly.

Tim.

Loretta Eisenberg

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Nov 10, 2009, 11:31:55 AM11/10/09
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Shea, if you take any medication like anti depressants, that can cause
memory loss. I find that I remember from forty years ago, but dont ask
me what I just ate for breakfast. I think you should see a doctor and
have this problem investigated. It could also be part of aging

depression adds to the cognitive loss

Loretta

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SheaNC

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Nov 11, 2009, 1:37:09 AM11/11/09
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> 1. Are you under the care of a diabetologist (an endocrinologist with
> specific focus on diabetes)?

No, just my MD.

> 2. What medications failed to control your BG, leading your physician to
> prescribe insulin?

Metformin & glyburide.

> 3. How do you measure your (comparative) cognitive function? It is
> possible that you are functioning at a HIGHER level, which enables you
> to detect and remember faults/errors/etc. that went unnoticed in the
> past. When the fog clears, it's easier to see problems. You need an
> objective measurement method, and a specialist to use it.

Well, it's a noticeable decline, and I've had some problems at work (ouch).

SheaNC

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Nov 11, 2009, 1:38:01 AM11/11/09
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I'm sorry to hear about your situation. Thank you for the response and for
the link.

SheaNC

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Nov 11, 2009, 1:39:14 AM11/11/09
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It sounds like we're in the same boat.

SheaNC

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Nov 11, 2009, 1:39:50 AM11/11/09
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> you may want to research Alpha Lipoic Acid for the benefits it can
> provide you

Thanks, I will check that out.

SheaNC

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Nov 11, 2009, 1:44:23 AM11/11/09
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I have the same trouble (old memories are intact but new ones fall out of my
head). And, I am on antidepressants. It's kind of a no-win situation.

SheaNC

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Nov 11, 2009, 1:44:28 AM11/11/09
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Thanks very much, everyone, for the input.

Julie Bove

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Nov 11, 2009, 1:58:56 AM11/11/09
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"SheaNC" <z...@z.net> wrote in message
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>I have the same trouble (old memories are intact but new ones fall out of
>my head). And, I am on antidepressants. It's kind of a no-win situation.

That could be part of the problem. I tried them for neuropathy and couldn't
function.


Wildbilly

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Dec 10, 2009, 12:41:02 PM12/10/09
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In article
<da985e12-8c40-4d62...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Tim Shoppa <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:

Sorry agaain for coming in so late but work and life has kept me out of
the group for awhile and I'm still trying to catch up.

Any who, Gary Taubes writes in his book (one of these days I'll finish
it, and start a new book) "Good Calories, Bad Calories", that insulin
facilitates fat transport and storage. This is particularly important to
those who are insulin resistant (T2s), because of the higher levels of
insulin in our systems, and leads to plaque build-up in the arteries
(CVD) and brain cells (Alzheimer's). T2s may be the most affected but
insulin will affect anyone this way. Dose dependent, so to speak.
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