Star Trek (not OT)
noego
not, please read on.
In one episode, Captain Kirk and his Starship USS Enterprise come upon this
galactic "entity" which devours whole planets. They try to fight it in all
sorts of ways, but it only gets stronger and stronger. They are lucky to be
able to escape after each unsuccessful effort to destroy it.
Then they discover why they are unsuccessful. They discover that this entity
actually <needs> anger and violence to be directed at it to survive, and it
thrives on it. Any effort to defeat it only makes it bigger and stronger,
and breeds more entities around it.
Such is the case with the malevolent troll entity and "sub-entities"
currently infecting ASD and MHD. They feed on the egos of other group
members. They know how to attack such egos in such a way that they get an
angry response - the response they desire, no matter how insulting it seems
to be. Like the galactic entity in Star Trek, the insults and anger actually
make them grow - grow and multiply.
The answer? I really don't know. I suppose one short to-the-point reply can
do no harm, but there's no use harping on the issue. Too bad the trolls
mislead a lot of newbies in the process. From past experience, though -
trolls come - and they go.
I've been involved in these newsgroups long enough to know the good stuff
from the bad. I urge the newbies to do the same.
Henry Mydlarz
--
RodS
That's it Henry Kurt is a Klingon and Bob well who knows ... a borg ?
Alan Mackenzie
> Are any of you "Trekkies", like - ever watched Star Trek? Even if you're
> not, please read on.
> In one episode, Captain Kirk and his Starship USS Enterprise come upon this
> galactic "entity" which devours whole planets. They try to fight it in all
> sorts of ways, but it only gets stronger and stronger. They are lucky to be
> able to escape after each unsuccessful effort to destroy it.
> Then they discover why they are unsuccessful. They discover that this entity
> actually <needs> anger and violence to be directed at it to survive, and it
> thrives on it. Any effort to defeat it only makes it bigger and stronger,
> and breeds more entities around it.
This might well have been a metafor phor the United States of America. The
USA _NEEDS_ enemies, and if it hasn't got one, it will find one somehow or,
if desperate, make one.
> Such is the case with the malevolent troll entity and "sub-entities"
> currently infecting ASD and MHD. They feed on the egos of other group
> members. They know how to attack such egos in such a way that they get an
> angry response - the response they desire, no matter how insulting it seems
> to be. Like the galactic entity in Star Trek, the insults and anger actually
> make them grow - grow and multiply.
Yes. Unfortunately
> The answer? I really don't know. I suppose one short to-the-point reply can
> do no harm, but there's no use harping on the issue. Too bad the trolls
> mislead a lot of newbies in the process. From past experience, though -
> trolls come - and they go.
Indeed. And their favourite mode of transport? The trolley bus.
> I've been involved in these newsgroups long enough to know the good stuff
> from the bad. I urge the newbies to do the same.
That applies, sadly, to just about any newsgroup or any other forum.
> Henry Mydlarz
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Tim Shoppa
> noego <myd!!!...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > Are any of you "Trekkies", like - ever watched Star Trek? Even if you're
> > not, please read on.
> > In one episode, Captain Kirk and his Starship USS Enterprise come upon this
> > galactic "entity" which devours whole planets. They try to fight it in all
> > sorts of ways, but it only gets stronger and stronger. They are lucky to be
> > able to escape after each unsuccessful effort to destroy it.
> > Then they discover why they are unsuccessful. They discover that this entity
> > actually <needs> anger and violence to be directed at it to survive, and it
> > thrives on it. Any effort to defeat it only makes it bigger and stronger,
> > and breeds more entities around it.
>
> This might well have been a metafor phor the United States of America. The
> USA _NEEDS_ enemies, and if it hasn't got one, it will find one somehow or,
> if desperate, make one.
Nah, the planet crusher (the episode itself is called "The Doomsday
Machine" but see my disagreement below) is little more than a collosal
unthinking automaton. Commodore Decker is compelling, in a Moby Dick
sort of way, in his hatred and zeal to destroy the planet crusher.
My personal opinion differs from the political polemic at the end of
the original episode, in that I don't believe the planet crusher was
built as a doomsday device in a war between two civilizations, but as
a civilization's last stand against the Borg. I know, the Borg didn't
come along until decades later in TNG, and I generally don't like TNG
(Piccard is such a wuss compared to Kirk) but the Borg are completely
convincing as an enemy that would inspire any rational civilization to
build a planet crusher to continue fighting on forever.
Tim.
Tim Shoppa
> Are any of you "Trekkies", like - ever watched Star Trek? Even if you're
> not, please read on.
>
> In one episode, Captain Kirk and his Starship USS Enterprise come upon this
> galactic "entity" which devours whole planets. They try to fight it in all
> sorts of ways, but it only gets stronger and stronger. They are lucky to be
> able to escape after each unsuccessful effort to destroy it.
I think if you are searching for analogies, you have to pick "The Way
to Eden". Now, the original episode is ginormous in its crapularity
(with the POSSIBLE exception of Spock jamming with the Space Hippies)
but the followers of Adam and their imagined suppression by Herbert
mirrors so many interactions that take place on a.s.d.
I was very active on m.h.d in the 90's and when I first tried
responding to a very reasonable question here a couple years ago, the
accusations of "Sally Sally Sally" that were leveled against me made
it feel EXACTLY like the Space Hippies protesting against Herbert in
"The Way to Eden".
Tim.
Ozlover
[...]
> That's it Henry Kurt is a Klingon and Bob well who knows ... a borg ?
Never mind them, but who is Seven of Nine!?
--
Frank "Nudge, Nudge, wink wink, Say no more." (Oops, wrong series.) Slootweg
Kurt
> Are any of you "Trekkies", like - ever watched Star Trek? Even if you're
> not, please read on.
I don't know, Henry. Seems to me that you are trolling more than
anyone with this post. Odd way to try and make your point. Why not
just lead by example and post something about diabetes that might help
others?
These groups are only as good as you choose to make them.
Kurt
Nico Kadel-Garcia
> not, please read on.
>
> In one episode, Captain Kirk and his Starship USS Enterprise come upon this
> galactic "entity" which devours whole planets. They try to fight it in all
> sorts of ways, but it only gets stronger and stronger. They are lucky to be
> able to escape after each unsuccessful effort to destroy it.
>
> Then they discover why they are unsuccessful. They discover that this entity
> actually <needs> anger and violence to be directed at it to survive, and it
> thrives on it. Any effort to defeat it only makes it bigger and stronger,
> and breeds more entities around it.
You're mixing episodes. The "Doomday Machine" actually ate planets,
and they finally exploded a starship in its maw.
The episode with the Klingons and the Federation crew being forced at
each other's throats, and only defusing it by declaring peace, was
"Day of the Dove".
Tim Shoppa
I think he's mixing in "The Immunity Syndrome" too. I think the giant
space amoeba was pretty crappy but the rest of the episode was crappy
too!
Tim.
RodS
> RodS <fr...@fred.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
>> That's it Henry Kurt is a Klingon and Bob well who knows ... a borg ?
>
> Never mind them, but who is Seven of Nine!?
>
Ozgirl ? <ducks> :-)
(- -)
=m=(_)=m=
RodS T2
Australia
Freckles
"RodS" <fr...@fred.com> wrote in message
news:hcgbfj$la3$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
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Seven of Nine is a character played by Jeri Ryan on "Star Trek: Voyager"
Freckles
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BDR529
> Are any of you "Trekkies", like - ever watched Star Trek? Even if you're
> not, please read on.
I'm Q, the enfant terrible for captain Kirk and his crew
> In one episode, Captain Kirk and his Starship USS Enterprise come upon this
> galactic "entity" which devours whole planets. They try to fight it in all
> sorts of ways, but it only gets stronger and stronger. They are lucky to be
> able to escape after each unsuccessful effort to destroy it.
>
> Then they discover why they are unsuccessful. They discover that this entity
> actually <needs> anger and violence to be directed at it to survive, and it
> thrives on it. Any effort to defeat it only makes it bigger and stronger,
> and breeds more entities around it.
Yet, they didn't defeat Q :-)
> Such is the case with the malevolent troll entity and "sub-entities"
> currently infecting ASD and MHD. They feed on the egos of other group
> members. They know how to attack such egos in such a way that they get an
> angry response - the response they desire, no matter how insulting it seems
> to be. Like the galactic entity in Star Trek, the insults and anger actually
> make them grow - grow and multiply.
The best revenge is therefor to not respond.
> The answer? I really don't know. I suppose one short to-the-point reply can
> do no harm, but there's no use harping on the issue. Too bad the trolls
> mislead a lot of newbies in the process. From past experience, though -
> trolls come - and they go.
>
> I've been involved in these newsgroups long enough to know the good stuff
> from the bad. I urge the newbies to do the same.
>
> Henry Mydlarz
I don't know what you problem really is, but, if you don't like what you
see in newsgroups then seek another newsgroup, or, do something else
like reading a book. Last week I played around with a battery monitoring
tool on an Apple Macbook.
But for his work Q was rather busy the last two weeks, we had a visitor
at work and there are ongoing financial stresses in the organization. It
may be that we have to send 10 to 20% of the staff away to cure our
financial problem.
The combination of this all Q returned in my BP and BG values. What I
learned so far is that there are two basic rules:
1) If you sin and don't stick to your diet then BG deteriorate. The
fluctuations in BG simply become larger. Also, the weekly rate of weight
loss is affected, I'm still 1,5 points above my target value at BMI 25.
2) If you don't sleep enough then your BP values deteriorate, a blood
pressure meter is a sleep meter.
The interesting thing I learned from this newsgroup is the rule 1 and
rule 2 are coupled. Bad sleep causes BG to become worse as well.
The trolling problem you describe is a message filtering problem.
Q, type 2, 1000 mg/day metformin.
--
Our Lady of Blessed Acceleration, don't fail me now!
Ozgirl
> Ozlover wrote:
>> RodS <fr...@fred.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>> That's it Henry Kurt is a Klingon and Bob well who knows ... a borg
>>> ?
>>
>> Never mind them, but who is Seven of Nine!?
>>
>
> Ozgirl ? <ducks> :-)
I don't know who Seven of Nine is! :)
Sleepyman
wrote:
>This might well have been a metafor phor the United States of America. The
>USA _NEEDS_ enemies, and if it hasn't got one, it will find one somehow or,
>if desperate, make one.
>
That, is just plain silly.
_________________________________
Sleepy
Since Light travels faster than Sound,
people appear brighter before you hear them speak.
Sleepyman
Trekkers, don't like to be referred as Trekkies, as Bikers, don't like
to be referred to as Bikeys. You had best be prepared for the wrath of
the former to come...;)
Another thing to remember about the trolls that (mostly) cross post
from other groups here, is that they DO NOT read this group. Ever. So
replying to them not only pollutes this group, but keeps them fat and
happy in the groups they originally posted from
Sleepyman
I knew that he had episodes mixed up. IIRC you have them right.
Cheri
news:80roe55o80qnp0dtn...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:15:14 +0000 (UTC), Alan Mackenzie <a...@muc.de>
> wrote:
>
>
>>This might well have been a metafor phor the United States of America.
>>The
>>USA _NEEDS_ enemies, and if it hasn't got one, it will find one somehow
>>or,
>>if desperate, make one.
>>
> That, is just plain silly.
Truly!
Sleepyman
>
>I'm Q, the enfant terrible for captain Kirk and his crew
>
Wrong Captain.
Peppermint Patootie
Sleepyman <do...@bother.com> wrote:
> Trekkers, don't like to be referred as Trekkies, as Bikers, don't like
> to be referred to as Bikeys. You had best be prepared for the wrath of
> the former to come...;)
>
> Another thing to remember about the trolls that (mostly) cross post
> from other groups here, is that they DO NOT read this group. Ever. So
> replying to them not only pollutes this group, but keeps them fat and
> happy in the groups they originally posted from
Yeah, what he said.
PP, T2, trekker who reads SF rather than Sci Fi.
Ozlover
How shall I put this politely? Let's see? ... *DUH*!
--
Frank Slootweg
Freckles
"Ozlover" <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:7l3pvvF...@mid.individual.net...
---------------------------------------------------------
Why would you want to start being polite all of a sudden. You can't change
what you are. Once an ass always an ass.
Freckles
terryc
> Are any of you "Trekkies", like - ever watched Star Trek? Even if you're
> not, please read on.
Revenge for OT posting
What do the starship enterprise and toilet paper have in common?
They both head off around Uranus looking for Klingons.
<and that is the full extent of my startrek jokes>
Ozlover
Touchy, aren't we!? Severe case of PKB?
Anyway, my *point* is, *why* did you post what you did? It was obvious
that RodS *knows* who Seven of Nine is, so why on earth did you
'explain' to him who she is?
--
Frank Slootweg
RodS
>
> Touchy, aren't we!? Severe case of PKB?
>
> Anyway, my *point* is, *why* did you post what you did? It was obvious
> that RodS *knows* who Seven of Nine is, so why on earth did you
> 'explain' to him who she is?
>
Robert Miles
news:4aec0603$0$83244$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl...
> noego wrote:
[snip]
> The combination of this all Q returned in my BP and BG values. What I
> learned so far is that there are two basic rules:
>
> 1) If you sin and don't stick to your diet then BG deteriorate. The
> fluctuations in BG simply become larger. Also, the weekly rate of weight
> loss is affected, I'm still 1,5 points above my target value at BMI 25.
>
> 2) If you don't sleep enough then your BP values deteriorate, a blood
> pressure meter is a sleep meter.
>
> The interesting thing I learned from this newsgroup is the rule 1 and
> rule 2 are coupled. Bad sleep causes BG to become worse as well.
>
> The trolling problem you describe is a message filtering problem.
>
> Q, type 2, 1000 mg/day metformin.
>
posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've
seen mentioned only in spam? Windows Mail won't, and I'm thinking
of switching to another newsreader that can import the hundreds of
thousands of posts I've already downloaded, partly filtered, and then
haven't got around to reading.
I just filtered out hundreds of unread messages from this newsgroup
by telling Windows Mail to discard all messages where the from line
contains any of the following (with a few spaces to be deleted):
@ 126 . com
@ 163 . com
@ sina . com
@ yeah . net
None of the posts with these in the return addresses have contained
anything but spam for the past few months; I checked before setting
up these filter rules.
Robert Miles
Wes Groleau
> None of the posts with these in the return addresses have contained
> anything but spam for the past few months; I checked before setting
> up these filter rules.
More efficient to let a Bayesian classifier
do this sort of checking for you. But do any
newsreaders do that? Thunderbird could, with
some minor code changes, but I don't have the
time to do it and the regular developers
don't want to.
--
Wes Groleau
Pat's Polemics
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/barrett
Ozlover
[...]
> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all
> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've
> seen mentioned only in spam?
The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a
totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue
to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And
in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another
news*reader*.)
[...]
--
Frank "Only if you change the *question*, the answer might change!" Slootweg
Wes Groleau
> Robert Miles <rober...@teranews.com> wrote:
>> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all
>> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've
>> seen mentioned only in spam?
>
> The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a
> totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue
> to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And
> in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another
> news*reader*.)
Many newsreaders can only filter by headers. Since
"mentioning" a certain URI is in the body, these
newsreaders cannot do what Robert asked.
--
Wes Groleau
There ain't no right wing,
there ain't no left wing.
There's only you and me and we just disagree.
(apologies to Jim Krueger)
BDR529
Personally I like thunderbird because it has effective message filters
and also tools to ignore or watch threads.
But trolls can be rather inventive to bypass the filters. I wouldn't
want this newsgroup messages to pass my mail filters. For e-mail I use
spamcop.
Q
Tiger Lily
i use mailwasher, which uses spamcop
how do you set up e-mail with spamcop?
ty
kate
BDR529
Mailwasher does work on the PC, but I found that it is too cumbersome on
the long run. One time my own ISP thought I was infected because of the
spam forwarding by mailwasher to spamcop. That was the time to say
goodbye to mailwasher and to do it differently.
It is simplier easier to tell all your e-mail providers to forward all
incoming e-mail to spamcop and to read it at spamcop.
So I took the spamcop mail full account where I report all spam once of
twice per day. They also offer imap which makes it flexible for
accessing everywhere.
Then in thunderbird you enable the offline downloads like apple mail
does. All junk mail folders are the held mail folders on spamcop. etc.
Q
>
> ty
> kate
Tiger Lily
k
Ozlover
> Ozlover wrote:
> > Robert Miles <rober...@teranews.com> wrote:
> >> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all
> >> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've
> >> seen mentioned only in spam?
> >
> > The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a
> > totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue
> > to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And
> > in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another
> > news*reader*.)
>
> Many newsreaders can only filter by headers. Since
> "mentioning" a certain URI is in the body, these
> newsreaders cannot do what Robert asked.
I know, that's why I said that the answer/solution does NOT involve
a(nother) newsREADER.
Robert also knows that, or better, he does not WANT to know that. He
rather keeps whining about 'problems' which only exist in his head, not
in the real world. Apparently some people rather have problems than
solutions.
FYI (and Robert's), the answer is in my headers and they prove that
one of Robert's 'problems' doesn't exist. The other one also doesn't
exist and has been disproven countless times as well.
--
Frank Slootweg
Ozlover
> Robert Miles <rober...@teranews.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all
> > posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've
> > seen mentioned only in spam?
>
> The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a
> totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue
> to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And
> in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another
> news*reader*.)
<deafening silence>
Non response noted!
BDR529
> Wes Groleau <Grolea...@freeshell.org> wrote:
>> Ozlover wrote:
>>> Robert Miles <rober...@teranews.com> wrote:
>>>> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all
>>>> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've
>>>> seen mentioned only in spam?
>>> The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a
>>> totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue
>>> to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And
>>> in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another
>>> news*reader*.)
>> Many newsreaders can only filter by headers. Since
>> "mentioning" a certain URI is in the body, these
>> newsreaders cannot do what Robert asked.
>
> I know, that's why I said that the answer/solution does NOT involve
> a(nother) newsREADER.
There are certainly usenet newsreaders that do a better job compared to
outlook or thunderbird, but whether you like these ancient programs is
another question.
xnews has a wide variety of scoring rules which you may like. You may
also want to look at knode, tin etc.
Many usenet reader tools were developed a while ago when http was in its
infancy. The older software often lacks a windows look and feel, but,
they are certainly more efficient in filtering compared to outlook or
thunderbird.
Nowadays most kids join facebook, linkedin or hyves, usenet is unknown
to them.
Q
Ozlover
> Ozlover wrote:
> > Wes Groleau <Grolea...@freeshell.org> wrote:
> >> Ozlover wrote:
> >>> Robert Miles <rober...@teranews.com> wrote:
> >>>> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all
> >>>> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've
> >>>> seen mentioned only in spam?
> >>> The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a
> >>> totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue
> >>> to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And
> >>> in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another
> >>> news*reader*.)
> >> Many newsreaders can only filter by headers. Since
> >> "mentioning" a certain URI is in the body, these
> >> newsreaders cannot do what Robert asked.
> >
> > I know, that's why I said that the answer/solution does NOT involve
> > a(nother) newsREADER.
>
> There are certainly usenet newsreaders that do a better job compared to
> outlook or thunderbird, but whether you like these ancient programs is
> another question.
["you" == Robert Miles. I don't need no stinkeen newsreader help! :-)]
I'm sure Robert doesn't like "ancient" programs. He only likes
programs which run on Vista and have English documentation, EXCEPT when
such programs actually solve his problems, then he doesn't like them
either.
> xnews has a wide variety of scoring rules which you may like. You may
> also want to look at knode, tin etc.
No, he "may" not. 'Wrong' OS, not documented to run on Vista,
<whatever>.
[...]
BTW, why does your newsreader strip blank lines in quotes? Makes them
very hard to read. Thunderbird isn't *that* borken, is it? And I assume
your Mac isn't either! :-)
Groetjes,
Frank Slootweg
BDR-529
Beste Frank, ik heet niet Robert Miles. Ik weet niet wat thunderbird
allemaal uitspookt op een Mac, dit is weer op een PC ingetikt.
Q
--
Type-2 diabetes since July 2009, 1000 mg/day metformin, BMI 26.3
Ozlover
Yes, I know that you're not Robert Miles. But in your previous post
you attributed with "Ozlover wrote:" and then said "you", i.e. you were
implicitly referring to me. Since that was obviously not your intention,
I added my
> ["you" == Robert Miles. I don't need no stinkeen newsreader help! :-)]
preamble before responding. OTOH, in another group I'm currently "Dave",
so may be you *are* Robert Miles, but just don't realize it! :-)
Your last quote looks OK, so it looks as if Thunderbird has a problem
on your Mac, while it's OK on your PC [1]. There *must* be something
wrong with this picture, because normally these things are the other way
around! :-)
[1] Does that mean a Mac is not a PC!? :-)
--
Frank Slootweg or Dave or whatever.
BDR-529
I have both, and sometimes I switch between the one and the other.
Ozlover
> Ozlover wrote:
> > [1] Does that mean a Mac is not a PC!? :-)
>
> I have both, and sometimes I switch between the one and the other.
I realize that, however my point/pun/joke/<whatever> was that a Mac is
also a PC (as in: Personal Computer), just not a *MS-Windows* one, hence
the smiley.
--
Frank "Tough crowd in 'here'!" :-) Slootweg
Wes Groleau
> [1] Does that mean a Mac is not a PC!? :-)
If PC stands for Piece of Crap, then a Mac is not a PC.
:-)
--
Wes Groleau
German Teachers
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW?itemid=81
Wes Groleau
Now, here's what I _thought_ happened:
Robert wants to filter out posts that mention a particular web page.
Frank says there is a way, but it's not another newsreader,
and Robert has been told what it is.
Wes guesses that Robert's newsreader might, like most others,
not be able to filter based on the body (which is where such
a "mention" would occur. But since there exist more than
a dozen newsreaders that Wes has never tried, Wes guesses
that one of them _might_ be able to do what Robert wants.
Frank says
> I know, that's why I said that the answer/solution does NOT involve
> a(nother) newsREADER.
Which Wes thinks means either that Frank knows NO newsreader can do it,
or that Frank did not understand Wes's intent.
And Frank says:
> FYI (and Robert's), the answer is in my headers
And Wes looks at the headers and sees not a hint of how to filter out
posts based on a URI in the body.
So, now that I have further explained my thoughts and perceptions
(or misperceptions), exactly what ARE we talking about?
--
Wes Groleau
Small class size and its opponents
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/barrett?itemid=992
RodS
English Translation:
Dear Frank, my name is not Robert Miles. I do not know what thunderbird>
all uitspookt on a Mac, this is again typed on a PC.
BDR-529
Ok, the proper translation is:
Dear Frank, I'm not Robert Miles. I don't know what the heck is going on
with Thunderbird on a Mac, this was again typed in on a PC.
BDR529
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:53:47 -0500, Wes Groleau
> <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>
>> Ozlover wrote:
>>> [1] Does that mean a Mac is not a PC!? :-)
>> If PC stands for Piece of Crap, then a Mac is not a PC.
>>
>> :-)
>
>
>
> ;}
>
But I love a massive amount of crab, remember that sea-food diet?
Q
Ozlover
> One or more of us is misunderstanding one or more of us. :-)
A misunderstanding!? On *Usenet*!? *Can't* happen! :-)
> Now, here's what I _thought_ happened:
[...]
> Frank says
> > I know, that's why I said that the answer/solution does NOT involve
> > a(nother) newsREADER.
>
> Which Wes thinks means either that Frank knows NO newsreader can do it,
No, Frank does not know if there is no such newsreader. Anyway, one
can't prove a negative and that also goes for semi-gods like Frank.
> or that Frank did not understand Wes's intent.
Or that Wes was babbling unclearly? But 'seriously', no Frank didn't
understand your intent, but he does now. (He's somewhat slow on the
uptake, give him a break.)
> And Frank says:
> > FYI (and Robert's), the answer is in my headers
>
> And Wes looks at the headers and sees not a hint of how to filter out
> posts based on a URI in the body.
The name (and version) of the *additional* software to use is in
Frank's "User-Agent:" header, and no, it's *not* a rat.
> So, now that I have further explained my thoughts and perceptions
> (or misperceptions), exactly what ARE we talking about?
Well, as usual, Frank is talking bollocks. What about you?
[...]
--
Frank Slootweg
Wildbilly
Sleepyman <do...@bother.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:15:14 +0000 (UTC), Alan Mackenzie <a...@muc.de>
> wrote:
>
>
> >This might well have been a metafor phor the United States of America. The
> >USA _NEEDS_ enemies, and if it hasn't got one, it will find one somehow or,
> >if desperate, make one.
> >
> That, is just plain silly.
Then how do we justify spending half of the world's military budget?
>
>
>
> _________________________________
> Sleepy
>
> Since Light travels faster than Sound,
> people appear brighter before you hear them speak.
--
"When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist."
-Archbishop Helder Camara
http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj
http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm
terryc
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:15:14 +0000 (UTC), Alan Mackenzie <a...@muc.de>
> wrote:
>
>
>>This might well have been a metafor phor the United States of America.
>>The USA _NEEDS_ enemies, and if it hasn't got one, it will find one
>>somehow or, if desperate, make one.
>>
> That, is just plain silly.
Nope, fearing the bogey man is universal. helps keep the team together
and focused.
Robert Miles
news:hd0f4d$cue$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Robert Miles wrote:
>> None of the posts with these in the return addresses have contained
>> anything but spam for the past few months; I checked before setting
>> up these filter rules.
>
> More efficient to let a Bayesian classifier
> do this sort of checking for you. But do any
> newsreaders do that? Thunderbird could, with
> some minor code changes, but I don't have the
> time to do it and the regular developers
> don't want to.
>
> --
> Wes Groleau
>
be able to find the time, IF I don't have to learn a
new computer language first.
Robert Miles
Robert Miles
news:7lm4jtF...@mid.individual.net...
> Robert Miles <rober...@teranews.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
>> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all
>> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've
>> seen mentioned only in spam?
>
> The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a
> totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue
> to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And
> in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another
> news*reader*.)
>
> [...]
>
If it's a posts filter program, I've already found the following:
Only two such programs are compatible with Windows Vista.
NewsProxy (also known as nfilter) can only filter on the header
lines that the newsgroups server sends in response to the XOVER
command, and is therefore not suitable for filtering on the body
of the message.
Hamlet MAY be suitable. I haven't found enough documentation
in English to tell yet.
I do NOT intend to switch to a web site for reading the
newsgroups if it won't let me save all the already read messages
I want to keep (thousands so far).
I haven't seen any sign that the Windows Mail newsreader
can filter on the newsgroups line without first moving the
messages to storage folders and therefore losing the ability
to send replies.
Switching to the news.individual.net news server gets rid
of SOME of the spam and kook messages, but not enough.
Robert Miles
Wes Groleau
>> newsreaders do that? Thunderbird could, with
>> some minor code changes, but I don't have the
>> time to do it and the regular developers
>> don't want to.
>>
> be able to find the time, IF I don't have to learn a
> new computer language first.
Probably C. It has always amazed me that the most
error-prone language around is one of the most popular.
--
Wes Groleau
Teacher Tip: Personalize Exercises
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/russell?itemid=1474
Robert Miles
> Robert Miles wrote:
>>> newsreaders do that? Thunderbird could, with
>>> some minor code changes, but I don't have the
>>> time to do it and the regular developers
>>> don't want to.
>>>
>> What computer language is it written in? I might
>> be able to find the time, IF I don't have to learn a
>> new computer language first.
>
> Probably C. It has always amazed me that the most
> error-prone language around is one of the most popular.
>
> --
> Wes Groleau
>
Not a computer language I already know, if that's
right.
Robert Miles
Ozlover
> "Ozlover" <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
> news:7lm4jtF...@mid.individual.net...
> > Robert Miles <rober...@teranews.com> wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> >> As for message filtering, what newsreaders will let you filter out all
> >> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've
> >> seen mentioned only in spam?
> >
> > The answer has been given to you countless times, but since, for a
> > totally bogus 'reason', you refuse to *implement* it, you will continue
> > to see the spam you don't want to see. So how about it *this* time? (And
> > in case you 'forgot' the answer: It does *not* involve another
> > news*reader*.)
> >
> > [...]
>
> I HAVE forgotten the answer.
Then you could easily find it again by searching the posts of the
people who *say* that they gave you the answer!
> If it's a posts filter program, I've already found the following:
>
> Only two such programs are compatible with Windows Vista.
Not just two, but yes, they are the most common.
> NewsProxy (also known as nfilter) can only filter on the header
> lines that the newsgroups server sends in response to the XOVER
> command, and is therefore not suitable for filtering on the body
> of the message.
>
> Hamlet MAY be suitable. I haven't found enough documentation
> in English to tell yet.
It "MAY" not be suitable, it IS suitable. That is what people have
been telling you all the time. I have told you that as well and pointed
time and time again to my "User-Agent:" header which proves that I run
it and run it on Vista.
And it's "Hamster", not "Hamlet"!
Again about the imaginary lack of (English) documentation:
Go to the Hamster site [1], download and install the software and
study the included Help [2], which has all the information you need,
including a FAQ.
And no, you don't have to *configure* it yet or *use* it, you just
have to install it to get access to the Help (or be clever enough to
extract the Help files and use them without installing).
> I do NOT intend to switch to a web site for reading the
> newsgroups if it won't let me save all the already read messages
> I want to keep (thousands so far).
As I said umpteen times, you just *add* Hamster. You can still use
Windows Mail as ever, including its storage featues.
> I haven't seen any sign that the Windows Mail newsreader
> can filter on the newsgroups line without first moving the
> messages to storage folders and therefore losing the ability
> to send replies.
The latter ("therefore losing the ability to send replies") is not
true, but it's irrelevant, because you don't have to move the articles
to storage folders if you don't want to.
> Switching to the news.individual.net news server gets rid
> of SOME of the spam and kook messages, but not enough.
So how about it? Are you FINALLY going to download, install, configure
and use Hamster?
[1] <http://www.arcorhome.de/newshamster/tgl/misc/hamster_en.html>
[2] Vista will whine about the Help file being in old format and will
tell you how to make it usable under Vista.
--
Frank Slootweg
Robert Miles
> Robert Miles <rober...@teranews.com> wrote:
>> "Ozlover" <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:7lm4jtF...@mid.individual.net...
>> > Robert Miles <rober...@teranews.com> wrote:
>> > [...]
>>
>> Only two such programs are compatible with Windows Vista.
>
> Not just two, but yes, they are the most common.
>
programs several months ago didn't turn up any more.
I did find several more which will run under XP with Outlook
Express, but don't mention whether they will also run with
Windows Mail under Vista (Outlook Express won't run
under Vista).
However, trying one at a time is enough.
I may try Hamster tomorrow; reading its documentation should
be enough for today.
> --
> Frank Slootweg
Robert Miles
Robert Miles
> Robert Miles wrote:
>> "BDR529" <jake> wrote in message
>> news:4aec0603$0$83244$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl...
>>> noego wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> The combination of this all Q returned in my BP and BG values. What I
>>> learned so far is that there are two basic rules:
>>>
>>> 1) If you sin and don't stick to your diet then BG deteriorate. The
>>> fluctuations in BG simply become larger. Also, the weekly rate of weight
>>> loss is affected, I'm still 1,5 points above my target value at BMI 25.
>>>
>>> 2) If you don't sleep enough then your BP values deteriorate, a blood
>>> pressure meter is a sleep meter.
>>>
>>> The interesting thing I learned from this newsgroup is the rule 1 and
>>> rule 2 are coupled. Bad sleep causes BG to become worse as well.
>>>
>>> The trolling problem you describe is a message filtering problem.
>>>
>>> Q, type 2, 1000 mg/day metformin.
>>>
>> posts that even mention a web page at a certain web site that you've
>> of switching to another newsreader that can import the hundreds of
>> thousands of posts I've already downloaded, partly filtered, and then
>> haven't got around to reading.
>>
>> I just filtered out hundreds of unread messages from this newsgroup
>> by telling Windows Mail to discard all messages where the from line
>> contains any of the following (with a few spaces to be deleted):
>>
>> @ 126 . com
>> @ 163 . com
>> @ sina . com
>> @ yeah . net
>>
>> anything but spam for the past few months; I checked before setting
>> up these filter rules.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Personally I like thunderbird because it has effective message filters and
> also tools to ignore or watch threads.
>
> But trolls can be rather inventive to bypass the filters. I wouldn't want
> this newsgroup messages to pass my mail filters. For e-mail I use spamcop.
>
> Q
My ISP has a rather good email filter, so I don't see the need to add
one to my machine.
However, they never had any equivalent for newsgroups filtering, so
I DO see a need to have one of my own.
I've found alternate newsreaders hard enough to learn that I'm not
in much of a hurry to try any, but may eventually do it.
Robert Miles