SORE FEET - Newbie
gb
My name is Graham. I am 49 and live in Adelaide, South Australia.
I was diagnosed with Type 2 about 8 months ago and take 2mg ofAmaryl a
day.
I have been having problems with my feet. Initially, I thought that
the pain was due to my new job, where I stand all day. The pain became
localised and so I went to a podiatrist who gave me inserts, that did
nothing. He said that the arch in my foot had dropped,but I am
beginning to think it may be the diabetes.
What I need to know is, have any of you experienced localised pain
because of youe diabetes, or is it just an all over ache. It feels
like I have a sharp stone in my shoe under where the middle toes join
the foot. My foot also feel very week. I find it very hard to run.
Any feed back would be appreciated.
I should also say that I have been very bad with my diet.
Regards
Graham
John38
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:35:54 +1030, gb <sign...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
> What I need to know is, have any of you experienced localised pain
> because of youe diabetes, or is it just an all over ache. It feels
> like I have a sharp stone in my shoe under where the middle toes join
> the foot. My foot also feel very week. I find it very hard to run.
I can't comment about the weakness or the inability to run, but the
feeling as if the foot is treading on a sock or a stone is frequently
reported by people who are experiencing neuropathic pain of the foot.
> I should also say that I have been very bad with my diet.
Well, you need to be good with your diet from now on :)
It is also reported that the neuropathic pain gets worse, then subsides,
as glucose numbers approach normality. This is my experience. (but
rather than a stone, it feels like my toes are vibrating)
--
John38 - t1 (LADA) since 2003 : DAFNE (glargine/aspart)
wmm...@cox.net
foot and ankle pain in both feet. When I say severe, I mean absolutely
crippling intense pain, that at its most extreme, was unremitting.... Even
the weight of a sheet or blanket on my toes was an agony. It was somewhat
localized in the joints, and there was a little swelling, but not much....
At first my doctor suspected I had developed rheumatoid arthritis, and I was
x-rayed and given a very extensive blood workup.... Then, the tests came
back essentially negative for arthritis, but the homocystine, a1c, Blood
Glucose, and c-reactive protein levels all were horrifically elevated.... It
is hard to be very comfortable with a BG that fluctuates between 290-400
(mg/dl). After some more follow up tests, I was gently advised that I had
diabetes, and that was the source of the pain in my feet.... They further
advised that I had to get it under control, or I was going to die, sooner,
rather than later. Then, I discovered that what I thought were unexplained
rashes and dry skin were actually well-known symptoms of an advanced case of
diabetes, as well as the shoulder problems I had been having. About the same
time, I connected my insatiable thirst and over abundant urine production
with everything else, and I knew I had to take aggressive action to get my
diabetes under control. Then I realized I was also having trouble
seeing,....
At first, my doctor gave me celebrex, when they thought it was arthritis,
and that did help me immensely through the immediate crisis of the pain. A
few months later, we, the public, learned that celebrex causes heart
attacks.... So much for that.
Now, after almost a year, and many, many trips to doctors, the pain has
subsided, as long as I continue to maintain tight control of the BG. I have
that bunched up socks feeling behind the toes of my right foot, and what
feels like numbness that goes right through a portion of that foot....
wierd. The right shoulder has permanent impairment of movement, but I get
by, as long as I am careful with it. And, I have lost some vision in the
right eye, but thank God, it is not getting worse..... DIABETES IS NO JOKE!
It is like having a killer for a roommate. As long as you can keep him tied
up and in the corner, he won't kill you. But, just give him a chance, and
you may be killed in your sleep!
I join John38 in urging you to be good with your diet from now on.... It
sounds like you are on the same path as I was on a year ago, and that path
leads to a grassy field, strewn with granite markers.
Take care,
Will, T2
Julie Bove
"gb" <sign...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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You need to see a neurologist. Your symptoms sound like diabetic
neuropathy. This is nerve damage from high BG.
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TigerLily
as well
what range of motion is limited
and did you know some people take ALA and EPO with
good results for the neuropathy in their feet? i
believe Julie takes just the EPO and has good
results......... Alpha Lipoic Acid NOT the other
ALA
kate
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RK
Damn! Wish my arthritis problems can be linked to my being diabetic, sadly
the reverse is true for me.. I'm one of the lucky ones, finding out ALL my
arthritis and diabetes is genetically linked by predisposition to
autoimmunity
diseases.
Hey.. can we sue our parents since their the cause of our genes being fuxor?
<g>
Nevermind.. lol I'm screwed there too.. both sets of my parents are dead...
damn
the luck.. at 38, lol life just keeps getting better and better. NOT!
lol ok my little rant for the day.
----
RK, T1/pumper/Animas IR1250
Dx 5/2000 - Joined ASD 8/2000
Last A1C - 12.05 (6.3)
No diabetic complications to date
wmm...@cox.net
I have been taking alpha lipoic acid, folic acid, B vitamins, generally, and
some other stuff, besides, now for about 8 months, and I am happy to report
that the inflammations are now pretty much under control, and the pain is
mostly gone. The neuropathy and retinopathy are not getting any worse, thank
God.
I just have to be really careful with my shoulder, you know? By that, I
have to watch out when I try to lift something, and I have to be careful not
to sleep on it wrong, during the night. Mainly, I cannot put my right hand
behind my back much at all, although I can still scratch my ass! Ha, ha.
But, as I observed yesterday, I would be in big trouble if they ever tried
to put handcuffs on me. It is also difficult sometimes when I have an itch
and cannot scratch it.....
The main reason for my post to the Sore Feet Newbie was to emphasize the
importance of getting a handle on one's blood glucose. Sometimes, people do
not accept diabetes as a life-threatening condition, especially when the
complications are setting in. That's when it gets a person.
Well, anyway, it was great to hear from you.
Will, T2
wmm...@cox.net
My poor mom had diabetes, too, although she was too sick from her cancer to
be much worried about diabetes.... Yes, I am convinced it runs in families.
So does arthritis... My brother has suffered from ankelosing spondolytis for
about 30 yrs.
Somehow, life does seem to get better and better, though, even when it does
not! Is that just a state of mind, or what? You know, one of the tenets of
Buddhism is that life is suffering, not that I am a Buddhist, or anything.
They do have some valuable insights, though, imo.
Have a truly wonderful day!
Will, T2
Ma¢k
the following into the madness of usenet:
>Hi Kate,
>
>I have been taking alpha lipoic acid, folic acid, B vitamins, generally, and
>some other stuff, besides, now for about 8 months, and I am happy to report
>that the inflammations are now pretty much under control, and the pain is
>mostly gone. The neuropathy and retinopathy are not getting any worse, thank
>God.
>
>I just have to be really careful with my shoulder, you know? By that, I
>have to watch out when I try to lift something, and I have to be careful not
>to sleep on it wrong, during the night. Mainly, I cannot put my right hand
>behind my back much at all, although I can still scratch my ass! Ha, ha.
>But, as I observed yesterday, I would be in big trouble if they ever tried
>to put handcuffs on me. It is also difficult sometimes when I have an itch
>and cannot scratch it.....
if this is due to bursitis or frozen shoulder you need to exercise and
stretch correctly or in time it will get worse.
--
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Type 1 since 1975
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
http://www.diabetic-talk.org
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
...Theodore Roosevelt
(o o)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------
"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
Jesus never hated anyone.
RK
<wmm...@cox.net> wrote in message news:10Bvf.196$Xo5.112@trnddc02...
Hi Will,
Yes, you can call me Reisa. I've not really looked much into Buddhists
ways,
not to get in a flame war, just not my desire. LOL heck, many in my own
religion
would think I'm a nutcase from things I know.. lol another story for another
time
and definately not on here. Though, I've requested my padded room to be a
purdy
purple.. <g>
My sympathies for your mother. Mine will have only past 3yrs this Aug.
Still hard
some days. She had bladder cancer, now I find out taking Premerin is a well
known
cause for bladder cancer from it. Heh she took Premerin for almost 15yrs
during
menopause..
My 18yr old daughter also has an autoimmune disease... I think it skipped a
generation
though, my natural mother didn't have anything but arthertis, lol prolly cuz
she was a
freakin fat ass (sorry, no sympathy for her) and my half sister could
probably go head to
head with Orca and she's fit as a fiddle! LOL here me and my daughter the
dang bean poles
and we get hit with it all -- all after one freakin bout with the flu.. go
figure..
Welp.. lol gotta get ready to go spend my monthy billions on my meds to
remain alive.
Have a good one.
Reisa
Ma¢k
the following into the madness of usenet:
>
><wmm...@cox.net> wrote in message news:10Bvf.196$Xo5.112@trnddc02...
>| Nice to hear from you, RK, or do you mind if I call you Reisa?
>|
>| My poor mom had diabetes, too, although she was too sick from her cancer
>to
>| be much worried about diabetes.... Yes, I am convinced it runs in
>families.
>| So does arthritis... My brother has suffered from ankelosing spondolytis
>for
>| about 30 yrs.
>|
>| Somehow, life does seem to get better and better, though, even when it
>does
>| not! Is that just a state of mind, or what? You know, one of the tenets of
>| Buddhism is that life is suffering, not that I am a Buddhist, or anything.
>| They do have some valuable insights, though, imo.
>|
>| Have a truly wonderful day!
>|
>| Will, T2
suffering in buddhism is not defined solely as pain(emotional or
physical)
--
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Type 1 since 1975
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
http://www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
...Theodore Roosevelt
(o o)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------
"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
Jesus never hated anyone.
>
Debbie Ames
Back a couple years ago I got "frozen shoulder" in my right shoulder and
after it cleared up my left one became affected. I believe that it was
here or online that I learned it was a common affliction of diabetics,
but my health care provider pooh-poohed that idea! It took a year of
progression (6 months to worst immobility, 6 months back to normal
range). I just wondered if this is what you have.
Debbie
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TigerLily
glad to hear the inflamation is being taken care
of
your arm sounds just like my arm mobility
problem........... isn't putting on a shirt or
jacket just a 'slice'!
take care, Will
kate
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TigerLily
therapy and exercises that i do at home to try to
beat this......... and my arm moves SLIGHTLY up my
back now...... and THAT IS ALL
the ortho Dr told me to stop physio and just hold
it where it hurts for 40 seconds at a time thru
the day...... and that is all i'm doing now
he told me that surgery won't help me either
kate
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> Mâck©®
Evelyn Ruut
Graham,
When I first discovered I was a diabetic, besides my diabetic meds my Dr.
also put me on statin drugs to lower cholesterol. This caused muscle
weakness and suddenly for the first time in my life I was having quite
serious pain in my feet from one thing and another.
I realized I had muscle weakness from the statin drugs, and several times
quit taking them, and each time I quit those drugs my feet got better. Each
time they convinced me to go on the statin drugs again, my feet started
hurting again. I got the shoe inserts and very painful shots in the foot
to combat plantar fasciitis. They helped only slightly, and frankly I
think the shoe inserts are a ripoff.
The day I gave up the statin drugs for good and told my doctor that NO Way
would I go on them again, my feet haven't bothered me since. I am not
saying this is how it is for everyone, and it may be pure coincidence, but I
swear the muscle weakness from the drugs caused my foot problems. I might
want to add that this is purely anecdotal, and unscientific as can be. You
may discover your foot issues come from something else altogether.
Now that is my tale, but it has been noted here by others that we diabetics
are much more subject to sprains and pains than other people. How much of
this is from the diabetes, and in what way, is not really clear.
Perhaps someone here can offer some more help.
By the way, a friend massaged my painful foot for me, and that helped more
than the painful shots and the expensive inserts.
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn
(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox')
wmm...@cox.net
fundamental laws of the universe and the idea of the endless cycle of
rebirth.
Ever read anything by Thich Nat Hanh? As you may have surmised, I read
voraciously upon a number of subjects... I have particularly enjoyed Hanh's
"Peace is Every Step" and his rendition of the "Diamond Sutra".... Both are
well worth reading for people of any and all faiths, for the wisdom they
contain, in my humble opinion. Of course, you can find true wisdom in all of
the major world religious writings.... I also like Hazrat Inayat Kahn,
Maimonides, the Talmud, the Vedas, Spinoza, Milarepa, and many others.....
Albert Schweitzer is someone else who comes to mind, especially from the
standpoint of his ethic of "reverence for life". I especially appreciate
Ghandi, as well, and his commentary upon the BagavadGita, "Living from the
Heart."
In short, we are all trying to figure out what is going on, from the time we
come to awareness, looking through the slats of our cribs, to the time of
the big fade-out and oblivion. If we are honest, most of us are still as
mystified at the end as we were at the beginning of life..... If we are
lucky some of us may get glimmers of something beyond the immediacy of the
here and now, but to be genuine, I submit it cannot be based on the received
wisdom of someone else, but we have to experience whatever it is for
ourselves... That's why I also like Carl Jung.
Then, there is also very much of value to some of us in the modern age in
the writings of Sartre and Camus.... Ever read "The Plague"?
I am certainly not trying to get on a soap-box about any of this.... I just
think about a lot of things. I guess that's why I find life so interesting.
Coming down with something like Diabtes in mid-stride of a busy life,
certainly gives one pause for thought!
Will, T2
wmm...@cox.net
Yes, I think so... When it first hit, it certainly felt very fragile, so as
to amount to being "frozen"... I just cannot move it in certain ways, even
now.
I have had the shoulder problem for a little over a year... That's when the
extreme thirst and polyuria started to hit... I never connected those dots
to the foot/ankle inflammations and the blind spots in my right eye until I
was pronounced diabetic in late February, 20005... Indeed, I did not even
realize my eye was going at first. Then I had that, "oh yeah" moment.... It
is really wierd, by the way, to play with the lights at night, when I am
outside, driving along... I can be looking straight at a street light, or an
oncoming headlight, and not see anything, but blackness.... Then, if I shift
my eye a little, there the light is. Good thing my left eye is normal, so I
am not likely to have a wreck.... And it is also a good thing that things
have stabilized and are not getting worse, now that I have good BG control.
Diabetes really is no joke, folks... It sneaks up and damages a person,
sometimes severely, before one even knows he/she has it...
Will, T2
wmm...@cox.net
That's one of the things I try to do.... I told Kate the other night in
chat, that with caution, I can now manage 50 pounds with the right arm, as
long as I do it carefully and gingerly.... It is better than it was, just
4-5 mos ago, when I could not even manage a bag of groceries. I don't
believe I will ever be able to put my arm behind my back again, though. It
just won't go.....
Will, T2
Evelyn Ruut
<wmm...@cox.net> wrote in message news:ueCvf.114$ya4.52@trnddc03...
Hi Will,
I have been a buddhist for many years. Thich Nhat Hanh is incredible.
Have you ever heard his poem, "Call me by my true names" ? It is
incredibly beautiful.
Let me see, I know I have it somewhere (sounds of scuffling) Aha! found
it.
Here it is. (I suppose I should add OT to the subject line.....)
***********
PLEASE CALL ME BY MY TRUE NAMES
Do not say that I'll depart tomorrow
Because even today I still arrive.
Look deeply; I arrive in every second
to be a bud on a spring branch,
to be a tiny bird, with wings still fragile,
learning to sing in my new nest,
to be a caterpillar in the heart of the flower,
to be a jewel hiding itself in a stone.
I still arrive, in order to laugh and to cry,
In order to fear and to hope,
The rhythm of my heart is the birth and
death of all that are alive.
I am the mayfly metamorphosing on the
surface of the river,
And I am the bird which, when spring comes,
Arrives in time to eat the mayfly.
I am the frog swimming happily in the
clear water of a pond,
And I am also the grass-snake who
Approaching in silence,
Feeds itself on the frog.
I am the child in Uganda, all skin and bones,
My legs as thin as bamboo sticks,
And I am the arms merchant, selling deadly
Weapons to Uganda.
I am the 12-year-old girl, refugee
On a small boat,
Who throws herself into the ocean after
Being raped by a sea pirate,
And I am the pirate, my heart not yet capable
Of seeing and loving.
I am a member of the politburo, with
Plenty of power in my hands,
And I am the man who has to pay his
"debt of blood" to my people,
dying slowly in a forced labor camp.
My joy is like spring, so warm it makes
Flowers bloom in all walks of life.
My pain is like a river of tears, so full it
fills up the four oceans.
Please call me by my true names,
So I can hear all my cries and my laughs
At once,
So I can see my joy and pain are one.
Please call me by my true names,
So I can wake up,
And so the door of my heart can be left open,
The door of compassion.
Thich Nhat Hanh
**********************
RK
<wmm...@cox.net> wrote in message news:0rCvf.4857$uy3.3593@trnddc08...
"late February, 20005"
DAMN! now I know I'm a bit slllloww but has time gone by THAT fast?
I only just started 2006. <g>
wmm...@cox.net
Thanks for the poem... I felt as though I had read it before, but it was
refreshing to read it again. Thay, that is the nick he goes by, reminds me a
little of Walt Whitman, in his "Leaves of Grass", although Whitman is a
little more sensual in that work, from the standpoint of sexuality. Some of
the inherent content of the poem you sent also reminds me of the speech of
Krishna to Arjuna, in the BagavadGita, as well as some of the scenes in the
Mahabharata.... especially one in which two of the brothers are struggling,
I think Arjuna and Yudishthera, where one observes to the other that he can
no longer tell which is he and which is his brother... Just some thoughts
your email caused me to have upon reading that poem..... Again, many thanks.
I wish you a really great weekend ahead. :-)
Will, T2
W.M.McKee
Reisa, you are TOO FUNNY! That was a typo.... I meant 2005. If I am
around in 20005, and you are, too, then let's you go out on the town!
Who knows what we'll get into? You are great!
Will, T2
RK
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Okie Dokie Will... we'll go out. LOL I doubt my hubby will mind so long
as I leave him the TV remote <g> But my momma taught me, never to go
dutch.. the gentleman should always pay.. lol if not, drop him like a bad
habit.. <vbg>
pss.. figured it was a typo.. glad you have a good sense of humor.. :)
W.M.McKee
Hi Reisa,
I am so very sorry to hear of your mom and the bladder cancer. Truly,
I am..... I know what the big C does to families. It ripped the heart
out of mine. At age 17, I used to drive my mom 3 times a week for
radiation treatments... Then later to chemo. I used to have to help
her with the incisions, from the more than six surgeries, then the
radiation burns. I used to give her the shots for pain. In the end, I
helped to feed her, along with my father and my brother. Believe me,
I know how it is.... In the end, it does not matter who took what, or
whose fault it is...most of the time it is nobody's fault... the pain
is there, and nothing will make it go away.
Will, T2
RK
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Thanks Will.
I know it's no ones fault.. It's fate. When I was little I used to ask my
grandma why she was still alive, lol to a 5yr old.. lol 73 is knocking on
deaths door! She used to tell me, "Guess the good Lord isn't done with
me here yet." -- Ironic, she was completely correct. Not a religious arena
here, so wont go further with it. But strange things went on before that
and much more after.. Neither me nor my mom were afraid for her to go..
matter fact, she knows how I am with seeing "sick" folk... and had no prob
with me moving out of state until she pasted. She was well taken care of
and suffered no pain towards the end, my dad saw to that.
Reisa
Chris Malcolm
> Hi Kate,
> I have been taking alpha lipoic acid, folic acid, B vitamins, generally, and
> some other stuff, besides, now for about 8 months, and I am happy to report
> that the inflammations are now pretty much under control, and the pain is
> mostly gone. The neuropathy and retinopathy are not getting any worse, thank
> God.
> I just have to be really careful with my shoulder, you know? By that, I
> have to watch out when I try to lift something, and I have to be careful not
> to sleep on it wrong, during the night. Mainly, I cannot put my right hand
> behind my back much at all, although I can still scratch my ass! Ha, ha.
> But, as I observed yesterday, I would be in big trouble if they ever tried
> to put handcuffs on me. It is also difficult sometimes when I have an itch
> and cannot scratch it.....
I started doing pullups to strengthen my arms, and discovered to my
surprise that they sometimes caused things in my back or shoulders to
click into more comfortable places, and that over time my posture
improved a lot. I always preceded each pullup session with just
hanging from my arms and shaking and wriggling myself loose, and that
was where most of the beneficial clicks came from.
I still have some residual frozen right shoulder from a serious attack
of polymyalgai rheumatica some years ago. It no longer impedes any
movements, but it does seriously limit the strength I can exert
without pain in certain positions. It's been like that for years now,
with no change. Until I started the hanging and pullups, which have
improved it a lot.
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IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
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Evelyn Ruut
Evelyn Ruut
<wmm...@cox.net> wrote in message news:muCvf.4893$uy3.3385@trnddc08...
Hi Will, I broke my shoulder a year ago. I will never ever get the normal
full range of motion back, but the physical therapist I had was wonderful
and got me a lot back.
W.M.McKee
Hi Evelyn,
As a "closet Buddhist" I also enjoyed "Wherever You Go, There You
Are", by Jon Kabat-Zinn. A really powerful book for those of us who
need stress reduction in our lives. I have also enjoyed the writings
of Steven Mitchell over the years.
Are you familiar with Parabola Magazine? That comes out every month,
and I find it always worth reading!
Will
W.M.McKee
>On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:13:15 GMT, "Evelyn Ruut"
><mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><wmm...@cox.net> wrote in message news:GtDvf.125$ya4.104@trnddc03...
>>> Hi Evelyn,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the poem... I felt as though I had read it before, but it was
>>> refreshing to read it again. Thay, that is the nick he goes by, reminds me
>>> a
>>> little of Walt Whitman, in his "Leaves of Grass", although Whitman is a
>>.snip>>>
.
>>>
>>> I wish you a really great weekend ahead. :-)
>>>
>>> Will, T2
>>
>>Thanks Will :-) Same to you.
>
>Hi Evelyn,
>
>As a "closet Buddhist" I also enjoyed "Wherever You Go, There You
>Are", by Jon Kabat-Zinn. A really powerful book for those of us who
>need stress reduction in our lives. I have also enjoyed the writings
>of Steven Mitchell over the years.
>
>Are you familiar with Parabola Magazine? That comes out every month,
>and I find it always worth reading!
>
>Will
Sorry, Parabola is a quarterly... I just have a big collection... I
forgot about it being a quarterly, and not a monthly.
Will
Evelyn Ruut
"W.M.McKee" <wmm...@cox.net> wrote in message
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There are a tremendous amount of buddhist resources for those who are
interested. I participate in several buddhist newsgroups (just like this
one). Each has a different "flavor" or focus.
talk.religion.buddhism
alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan
alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
alt.philosophy.zen
alt.zen
I also live near a dharma center. http://www.kagyu.org
So there is a lot out there if you know where to look.
Oh, and I have a huge collection of buddhist books as well as subscriptions
to some buddhist magazines. It is really wonderful to be able to connect
with dharma today so much more easily than years ago, when I first began to
study and meditate.
W.M.McKee
<mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>snip>>>
Thanks, Evelyn, for the link to the dharma center and for the
suggestion about those neswgroups. I'll check them out.
Will, T2
Evelyn Ruut
I'll look for you there....
Here are some other resources you might enjoy;
http://www.fpmt.org (The Dalai Lama's organization - excellent!)
http://www.accesstoinsight.org (The entire Pali canon, online and free)
W.M.McKee
<mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot, Evelyn.. I have read a lot of the Dali Lama, and I once
started to try to learn Asian Pali... At that period in my life, I
just could not find the time.
I must confess, I have thousands of books, and very many relate to
Buddhism. Have you ever read any of P.B. Brunton? He wrote extensively
about his coming to Buddhism, and especially his experiences in Tibet.
This was, of course, before there was any such thing as the People's
Republic of China....
I am so happy to have met you, so to speak!
Will, T2
Evelyn Ruut
Pleased to meet you also,... especially here. I haven't read any of PB
Brunton, but I have read many buddhist books, Chogyam Trungpa, The Dalai
Lama, Pema Chodron..... also lots of Zen stuff. Too many to list here. I
have really a LOT of books also, and I have read all of them. Grandpa
Chuck is also very interested in Buddhist thought. Just mentioning it.
Drop in to some of those buddhist newsgroups if you have a chance.
W.M.McKee
<mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
Evelyn, I already liked Grandpa Chuck, but thanks... Now I know part
of why I find him so interesting!
Will, T2
Chuck@b4me.org Grandpa Chuck
Aw, gee whiz.....
Among my books is The Tibetan Book of the Dead. I found it to be a
very interesting read. I wonder if Laurie will be able to find enough
people to set on my bed and read it aloud for the required time. At
this point in my life, I am not sure what comes next. I do believe if
I do my best and live the best life I am able to whatever the next
existence is will be a pretty good one. I don't think I have be
promised some "pie in the sky" place with streets paved in gold, etc.
Besides, I wouldn't fit in to that kind of place anyway.
I love what is expressed in "The Rainbow Bridge" that someone gave me
a link to when we lost our beloved Beavis
http://www.petloss.com/poems/maingrp/rainbowb.htm
and had to ask our veterinarian to do the humane thing since he had
lost the use of his front legs. A fifty pound basset without the use
of the front legs cannot have any quality of life.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
THIS MORNING'S NEWS REPORTED ELEVEN MORE AMERICANS KILLED
IN IRAQ YESTERDAY. ELEVEN IN ONE DAY!
REMEMBER BUSH SAYING, "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"?
The following information is given with the utmost respect
for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the
current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/
The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 5, 2006 is 2,193.
United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000
according to President Bush - probably many more.
W.M.McKee
Chuck, I "died" one time on the operating table... The Tibetan Book of
the Dead tells it how it is, at least by my experience.... Please send
me an email, if you ever want to discuss this privately..... It is not
the kind of thing I ever discuss publicly.
Death is nothing to be feared, at least not by those who know..... But
you know what? As they say," life gets in the way," and we lose sight
of what's really important, until often times, it is too late. What I
learned is that I need to take time to love those around me,
especially my family, my wife, my children, my grandchildren, nepphews
and nieces, and all the rest, including my friends, like you.....
Nothing is forever, unless it be love.
Interesting that you still miss your beloved Beavis. I adore our
wonderful Bassett, Sassy. She is a garbage hound, though! Ha!
Gotta always watch and make sure she does not get into the garbage
can.....
And, like I told Gene, you are always welcome to a first rate,
diabetic safe dinner, here in Virginia Beach!
Will, T2
KJ
Ohhh We're Basset lovers too! We lost one to a kidney problem. We
picked up another from the pound about a year later. He's just a
wonderful dog, just a ton of fun! And surprisingly very smart. LoL
And, yes, he also is a garbage hound.
KJ
Ma¢k
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>MACK............. i have 11 months of physio
>therapy and exercises that i do at home to try to
>beat this......... and my arm moves SLIGHTLY up my
>back now...... and THAT IS ALL
>
>the ortho Dr told me to stop physio and just hold
>it where it hurts for 40 seconds at a time thru
>the day...... and that is all i'm doing now
>
>he told me that surgery won't help me either
>
>kate
I worked with a physical therapist, teaching me the proper exercises
(for me) to do at home and having her do manual stretching and pulling
and extending the arms. Before I stopped seeing her she increased my
range almost to the point before the problem even started. One tool I
got for the home was a rope and pulley that attaches to the top of a
door. You pull one side down, pulling the other arm as far as you can
extend it and hold. Works well extending the arms behind the back as
well.
--
Māck©®
Type 1 since 1975
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
http://www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
...Theodore Roosevelt
(o o)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------
"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
Jesus never hated anyone.
Ma¢k
the following into the madness of usenet:
>Good point, Mack.... That goes along with change being one of the
Actually I am currently reading several of the texts you listed above.
I am spending most of the actual reading time on the Tibetan Book of
the Dead at present. It's a fascinating text. But I also spend time
reading several others at the same time as well as several audio
books. The audio version of the BagavadGita is actually easier to get
through, for me anyway, than the text version. To hear the words
pronounced correctly makes it far more pleasant of an experience.
Ma¢k
the following into the madness of usenet:
>Hi Mack,
ever use a towel to pull the arm back slowly and gently? At one point
I could not get either arm behind my back, now I can. I was very slow
going at first. But I can touch my spine again.
wmm...@cox.net
If you ever want to talk about this stuff sometime, I am always up for a
chat... You know how to get in touch.
Will, T2
'I'm not the only one......"
John Lennon
wmm...@cox.net
suggestion.
Will, T2
Evelyn Ruut
"Ma¢k" <stopt...@shootspammers.com> wrote in message
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That is terrific, Mack.
The Tibetan book of the dead (Evans Wentz version) is maybe a bit heavy
reading.
There is a very good book out called "The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying"
by Sogyal Rinpoche that is more suitable for westerners. Is that the one
you are reading?
Chuck@b4me.org Grandpa Chuck
We nearly lost our female Basset, Scooter, when she was about three
months old. Laurie put a dish of potpourri containing dried flowers
and herbs on the coffee table in the living room. When we came home
that evening the dish was almost completely empty. Scooter was
extremely sick all weekend long. The vet said the withhold food and
water for a day, then let her drink water. If that stayed down to try
giving her just a little food. She said if she was still sick by
Tuesday a.m. to bring her back in. Finally on Monday evening she ate a
very small dish of ice cream. She wasn't willing to touch anything
else. By Tuesday evening she was again running wild and her usual
mischievous self.
For over a week after we lost Beavis she refused to play with her
toys. She wouldn't lay on the part of our bed where Beavis usually
did. When we tried to put her food dish where we always fed Beavis she
refused to go near her dish. It took us two weeks of moving her dish
closer and closer before she would enter that corner to and eat.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ôżô-
~
The following information is given with the utmost respect
for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the
current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/
The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 8, 2006 is 2,210.
wmm...@cox.net
from time to time, just to browze from it, and think about the things I read
in it.....
You know, when talking of these things, there really are no words that can
possibly adequately convey what it is that we are talking about..... Words
get in the way. :-)
Will, T2
Evelyn Ruut
<wmm...@cox.net> wrote in message news:lRBwf.33134$uy3.4756@trnddc08...
I bought that book when my brother in law was dying of cancer a couple of
years ago. He claimed it gave him considerable comfort.
Ma¢k
<mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into the
madness of usenet:
>
>> Actually I am currently reading several of the texts you listed above.
>> I am spending most of the actual reading time on the Tibetan Book of
>> the Dead at present. It's a fascinating text. But I also spend time
>> reading several others at the same time as well as several audio
>> books. The audio version of the BagavadGita is actually easier to get
>> through, for me anyway, than the text version. To hear the words
>> pronounced correctly makes it far more pleasant of an experience.
>
>
>That is terrific, Mack.
>
>The Tibetan book of the dead (Evans Wentz version) is maybe a bit heavy
>reading.
>
>There is a very good book out called "The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying"
>by Sogyal Rinpoche that is more suitable for westerners. Is that the one
>you are reading?
"The Tibetan Book of the Dead Translated by Robert A. F. Thurman"
W.M.McKee
>
>
>"Ma▎" <stopt...@shootspammers.com> wrote in message
Hi Evelyn,
I read the Tibetan Book of the Dead (Evan Wentz version) and another
book about Milarepa and Yoga (also trans. by Evan Wentz), along with
the Dhammapada, and some other things in the early 80's. Then, later I
had "the experience" while in surgery. I have been a totally changed
person, ever since....
In my view, most of what divides the world is imperfect communication
about these things caused by bad understandings arising from the
inadequacy of language. In some ways, Emmanuel Kant tried to grapple
with the problems of language and human logic in his "Critique of Pure
Reason."
Just some thoughts...
Will, T2
Evelyn Ruut
> On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:10:04 GMT, "Evelyn Ruut"
> <mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into the
> madness of usenet:
>
>>
>>> Actually I am currently reading several of the texts you listed above.
>>> I am spending most of the actual reading time on the Tibetan Book of
>>> the Dead at present. It's a fascinating text. But I also spend time
>>> reading several others at the same time as well as several audio
>>> books. The audio version of the BagavadGita is actually easier to get
>>> through, for me anyway, than the text version. To hear the words
>>> pronounced correctly makes it far more pleasant of an experience.
>>
>>
>>That is terrific, Mack.
>>
>>The Tibetan book of the dead (Evans Wentz version) is maybe a bit heavy
>>reading.
>>
>>There is a very good book out called "The Tibetan Book of Living and
>>Dying"
>>by Sogyal Rinpoche that is more suitable for westerners. Is that the one
>>you are reading?
>
>
> "The Tibetan Book of the Dead Translated by Robert A. F. Thurman"
Yes, probably a lot easier reading than the old Evans Wentz version!
Evelyn Ruut
"W.M.McKee" <wmm...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:10:04 GMT, "Evelyn Ruut"
> <mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Ma¢k" <stopt...@shootspammers.com> wrote in message
Hi Will,
We have some serious scholars on the buddhist newsgroups, and some have read
Kant. I have read some of their discussions. I began reading books about
buddhism back in the mid 60's and through the 70's too. I became a buddhist
when I discovered there was a tibetan buddhist center right near my house in
1981. I have never looked back for an instant :-)
W.M.McKee
<mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Evelyn,
We are reaching the area, where what I have experienced is so personal
that I do not talk about it "in public". I only do it "in community",
where I am comfortable, and thus far, that has been extremely rare. I
have no desire for anything, other than to live my life honestly and
to help anyone who may benefit by what I may have learned. I hope you
understand.
I would be happy to discuss some of this with you privately, if you
are ever interested.
By the way, if you are reading this, Mack, I want to encourage you to
continue on your path.... There are many pitfalls, however, and our
world will not ever understand what you are doing, or where you are
headed.
Will,, T2
Chuck@b4me.org Grandpa Chuck
>On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:10:04 GMT, "Evelyn Ruut"
<snip>
>>There is a very good book out called "The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying"
>>by Sogyal Rinpoche that is more suitable for westerners. Is that the one
>>you are reading?
>
>Hi Evelyn,
>
>I read the Tibetan Book of the Dead (Evan Wentz version) and another
>book about Milarepa and Yoga (also trans. by Evan Wentz), along with
>the Dhammapada, and some other things in the early 80's. Then, later I
>had "the experience" while in surgery. I have been a totally changed
>person, ever since....
>
>In my view, most of what divides the world is imperfect communication
>about these things caused by bad understandings arising from the
>inadequacy of language. In some ways, Emmanuel Kant tried to grapple
>with the problems of language and human logic in his "Critique of Pure
>Reason."
>
>Just some thoughts...
>
>Will, T2
Weren't you surprised when reading books on Buddhism to find out that
a Buddhist could also be a Christian? I certainly was.
I was equally surprised when I read that most anyone is capable of
becoming a Buddha. Then the book I was reading explained how that is
possible. (Now someone is going to ask me which book that was. Since I
have at least ten of them scattered around the house and loaned out I
really can't say for sure.)
W.M.McKee
Not really surprised, Chuck, when I really thought about it... Our day
to day understandings are all based upon language, anyway.... What we
are talking about has no language.
As Nietzche so rightly observed," there has been only one Christian,
and he died on a cross 2,000 yrs ago." The others are imitators and
emulators, following their own ideas and imperfect undertandings of
what that was all about, some perhaps more on target than others.
Chuck... Think about it.. you may already be a Buddha... you just have
not had the moment of self-realization, yet. Even that statement
makes no sense, because what we are talking about has no moments....
it is outside of time. This has nothing to do with the ego self, or
the little self.... It has to do with the ALL, as they say.
As I said to Evelyn, I really want to be more or less private about
all this... Beyond this point, I really do not feel comfortable
talking about these things in a diabetes newsgroup.... I will be happy
to respond to you privately, however, if you wish.
Will, T2
RHONDA via MedKB.com
I'm sorry to hear about your foot pain, I am a T1 with Lupus, and
Polymyositis,
and have severe neuropathy in my feet. I have been on painkillers every day,
then on New Year's day, I was put on a new medicine that I wouldn't recommend
to anyone, its Cymbalta, 30mg 1x a day. I was 2 days into it when I was
severely
ill, I was having all the side effects to the extreme, I couldnt eat anything
at all, I had to
make myself sip water, and was very dizzy. My eyes were dialated and very
wide. I
couldnt sleep at all. I called my dr and he kept telling me it was side
effects and it would
go away but didn't realize exactly how bad my condition really was. By
Wednesday, I told
him I couldnt take the medication anymore, he found my BP had shot up high
and made
me go on total bedrest to get it out of my system or I'd have to go into the
hospital. If I had
taken that medication another day or two, I would have had a heart attack or
stroke. I dont
know if anyone else has heard of that medication or has had trouble with it
but I sure would
be wary of trying it. I was on the lowest dosage according to my dr. Now I've
had to add BP
medication to my list, and this is my first night back at work and out of bed.
I'm almost back
to my usual half-dead condition, haha, my system is so sensitive, I'm scared
to try medications
anymore.
But while I was so sick from that medication, my footpain went totally away---
what a trade off, ha.
I sure hope you can find something to help your pain, much luck to ya!
gb wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>My name is Graham. I am 49 and live in Adelaide, South Australia.
>
>I was diagnosed with Type 2 about 8 months ago and take 2mg ofAmaryl a
>day.
>
>I have been having problems with my feet. Initially, I thought that
>the pain was due to my new job, where I stand all day. The pain became
>localised and so I went to a podiatrist who gave me inserts, that did
>nothing. He said that the arch in my foot had dropped,but I am
>beginning to think it may be the diabetes.
>
>What I need to know is, have any of you experienced localised pain
>because of youe diabetes, or is it just an all over ache. It feels
>like I have a sharp stone in my shoe under where the middle toes join
>the foot. My foot also feel very week. I find it very hard to run.
>
>Any feed back would be appreciated.
>
>I should also say that I have been very bad with my diet.
>
>Regards
>Graham
--
RHONDA
Message posted via http://www.medkb.com
Ma¢k
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>By the way, if you are reading this, Mack, I want to encourage you to
>continue on your path.... There are many pitfalls, however, and our
>world will not ever understand what you are doing, or where you are
>headed.
>
>Will,, T2
That doesn't bother me, as the world in general, and religious
fanatics specifically do not understand what they are doing or where
they are going. That's why they have a problem with people who do not
join the flocks of mindless sheep.
Fear is their first pitfall. And they frequently don't get past it.
gb
<mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>Graham,
>
>When I first discovered I was a diabetic, besides my diabetic meds my Dr.
>also put me on statin drugs to lower cholesterol. This caused muscle
>weakness and suddenly for the first time in my life I was having quite
>serious pain in my feet from one thing and another.
>
>I realized I had muscle weakness from the statin drugs, and several times
>quit taking them, and each time I quit those drugs my feet got better. Each
>time they convinced me to go on the statin drugs again, my feet started
>hurting again. I got the shoe inserts and very painful shots in the foot
>to combat plantar fasciitis. They helped only slightly, and frankly I
>think the shoe inserts are a ripoff.
>
>The day I gave up the statin drugs for good and told my doctor that NO Way
>would I go on them again, my feet haven't bothered me since. I am not
>saying this is how it is for everyone, and it may be pure coincidence, but I
>swear the muscle weakness from the drugs caused my foot problems. I might
>want to add that this is purely anecdotal, and unscientific as can be. You
>may discover your foot issues come from something else altogether.
>
>Now that is my tale, but it has been noted here by others that we diabetics
>are much more subject to sprains and pains than other people. How much of
>this is from the diabetes, and in what way, is not really clear.
>
>Perhaps someone here can offer some more help.
>
>By the way, a friend massaged my painful foot for me, and that helped more
>than the painful shots and the expensive inserts.
This is very interesting Evelyn,
I am on Satin Drugs. Recently I ran out of the Satin drugs. Also, I
did have some respite from the pain for a few days. I am just not sure
wether the times marry up. My cholesterol is under control so I may
stop taking them for a period of time and see what happens.
Thanks for the info.
Regards
Graham
W.M.McKee
<stopt...@shootspammers.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:51:42 -0500, W.M.McKee <wmm...@cox.net> Huffed
>and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:
>
>>By the way, if you are reading this, Mack, I want to encourage you to
>>continue on your path.... There are many pitfalls, however, and our
>>world will not ever understand what you are doing, or where you are
>>headed.
>>
>>Will,, T2
>
>
>That doesn't bother me, as the world in general, and religious
>fanatics specifically do not understand what they are doing or where
>they are going. That's why they have a problem with people who do not
>join the flocks of mindless sheep.
>
>Fear is their first pitfall. And they frequently don't get past it.
Friend, you are so right about the fear part and the bit about the
"mindless sheep."...
I hope to hear from you, from time to time... Please let me know how
you are doing.
Will, T2
bantista
"gb" <sign...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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Hello Graham
please see
http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/Profs/PUarticles/Statinmyop.htm
Myopathy known to occur with statins
While the statins are effective in providing protection from coronary and
cardiovascular events, they are known to cause myopathy (usually
dose-related) and, rarely, rhabdomyolysis.1 A clinical diagnosis of
myopathy is made when there is muscle pain or weakness accompanied by a
creatine kinase (CK) level more than ten times the upper limit of normal.
Rhabdomyolysis is a severe form of myopathy with muscle breakdown leading to
myoglobinuria, which may result in renal failure and death.2
New Zealand reports of rhabdomyolysis
The Centre for Adverse Reactions Monitoring (CARM) has received eight recent
reports (including two fatalities) of rhabdomyolysis occurring in patients
taking between 20mg and 80mg of a statin daily. Six of these patients were
taking simvastatin which, along with atorvastatin, is fully funded in New
Zealand and therefore prescribed more often than the other available statins
(i.e. fluvastatin and pravastatin). All patients in the eight cases
initially complained of myalgia or muscle weakness and were later diagnosed
with rhabdomyolysis. Two of the patients on simvastatin presented with
urinary discoloration; one went on to develop acute renal failure. The
duration to onset of symptoms ranged from 2-12 weeks from initiation of, or
change in, statin therapy. The patients were between 54-79 years of age;
five were taking other medicines known to interact with statins (i.e. four
were taking simvastatin with diltiazem, and one bezafibrate with
pravastatin). Three patients had significant co-morbidities including
chronic renal failure and hepatic cirrhosis; two patients had recently had
their simvastatin dose increased to 60mg and 80mg daily.
Monitoring helps improve outcome
It is advisable to monitor patients for signs and symptoms of muscle pain,
tenderness or weakness, particularly during both the initial months of
statin therapy and subsequent dose increases.3,4 Creatine kinase
measurements must be performed when symptoms occur. Patients with
additional risk factors (e.g. diabetes, older age, hypothyroidism, liver or
renal disease1,5) merit closer monitoring as they may be more at risk of
rhabdomyolysis.3
Statin treatment should be discontinued immediately if an elevated CK level
is found (i.e. CK >10 x upper limit of normal6), or where myopathy is
suspected or diagnosed.3,4 If there is a moderate rise in the CK level
(i.e. 3-10 x upper limit of normal) then monitor CK levels weekly and seek
specialist advice.6 It is worth noting that measuring CK levels when statin
therapy is initiated will provide a reference baseline; however, undertaking
regular CK levels is probably not useful in the absence of therapy changes
or the development of co-morbidity.1
Concomitant medicines may increase risk of myopathy
The risk of myopathy or rhabdomyolysis with simvastatin alone is dose
related; the incidence, determined from clinical trials, is approximately
0.03% at 20mg, 0.08% at 40mg and 0.4% at 80mg daily. This risk is increased
with concomitant fibrates, as they alone can cause myopathy.3 The risk is
also increased when simvastatin and atorvastatin (both CYP 3A4 substrates;
fluvastatin and pravastatin are not7) are used concomitantly with potent CYP
3A4 inhibitors (eg. erythromycin, itraconazole, amiodarone, verapamil).3,4
Diltiazem, a weaker inhibitor of CYP 3A4, is frequently prescribed with a
statin. Diltiazem increases the risk of rhabdomyolysis to 1% when given
with simvastatin 80mg daily.3 However, fatal rhabdomyolysis has been
reported in two New Zealand patients taking diltiazem whose simvastatin
doses were increased to 40mg and 60mg daily, respectively. Both had
significant co-morbidity.8
To minimise the likelihood of interactions, lower starting doses of
simvastatin and atorvastatin should be used in patients already on fibrates,
cyclosporin, amiodarone, verapamil, and other potent CYP 3A4 inhibitors.3
Closer monitoring for signs and symptoms suggestive of myopathy is also
recommended.4 For patients already taking simvastatin or atorvastatin, the
statin dose should be reduced when interacting medicines are prescribed.
Diltiazem should not be co-prescribed with high doses of simvastatin or
atorvastatin; and for all concurrent therapy, there should be closer
monitoring. Consider temporarily discontinuing these statins if short-term
courses of azole antifungals or macrolide antibiotics are required.3 An
alternative option would be to consider changing to pravastatin or
fluvastatin.
Advise patients of warning symptoms
Prescribers should be aware that there is an increased risk of myopathy
occurring in patients taking statins, and this risk may be further increased
in the presence of co-morbidities or concurrent medicines. Patients who are
prescribed statins need to be informed of the importance of promptly
reporting unexplained muscle pain, tenderness or weakness, particularly if
accompanied by malaise or fever.3,4 Measure CK levels in patients who
present with such symptoms. Where myopathy is suspected or diagnosed,
immediate withdrawal of the statin is recommended.
Competing interests (authors): none declared
Correspondence to Dr Michael Tatley, New Zealand Pharmacovigilance Centre,
PO Box 913, Dunedin.
References
1.. Gotto AM, Jr. Safety and statin therapy: Reconsidering the risks and
benefits. Arch Intern Med 2003;163:657-659.
2.. Omar MA, Wilson JP, Cox TS. Rhabdomyolysis and HMG-CoA reductase
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regards,
rudy
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Evelyn Ruut
Hi Graham,
I think you ought to know that if you stop taking them, it is claimed your
cholesterol shoots up dramatically, even more than before. It happened to
me too. I swore I wasn't going back on them though, and I am trying to
handle it naturally. We'll see how I did when the results of the blood
test I took the other day come in.
Evelyn Ruut
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> Bantista, thank you for this information. I saved it.
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> Best Regards,
>
> Evelyn
> (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox')
Hello Evelyn and hello Graham (if you are still watching)
Hope it helps someone.
I just remembered hearing something about this and used my searching skills.
Scared me, personnally.
regards,
rudy
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Evelyn Ruut
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> On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:57:30 GMT, "Evelyn Ruut"
> wouldn't play games with cholesterol since you have diabetes.
> Remember, 2/3 of us will die of a heart attack. We are three times
> the risk of a person without diabetes of having a heart attack or
> stroke. I hate taking meds of any type, but the above odds keep me
> going. Suggest you do the same also.
I'll willingly take my chances. The way I felt on statins was no life at
all.
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Did you ever read the Epic of Gilgamesh? Amazing paralells to Judaism
and Christianity. It is one of the oldest known texts and was found on
clay tablets written by the Sumerians.
Sleepy
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The ability to simplify means to eliminate the unnecessary so that the
necessary may speak. -Hans Hofmann, painter (1880-1966)
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Sleepyman
wrote:
Many people here have different experiences with things. Just because
a drug had a side effect for one person doesn't mean it was the cause
of a similar side effect in anyone else. Many here take tons of supps,
but whenever anything happens, it's blame the med time, when it could
be any number of things including interactions with unregulated
supplements. We are not docs here. If you think something is causing a
side effect, my best advice to you is to stop that med until you check
with your doc. Don't just do it because someone here thinks it might
be the problem. Make sure your doc is familiar with every medication
and supplement you take including vitamins. If you are not satisfied
with the efforts of your doc, then I would get another doc. JMO of
course.
wmm...@cox.net
>>>>On 12-Jan-2006, Sleepyman <do...@bother.com> wrote:
> Did you ever read the Epic of Gilgamesh? Amazing paralells to Judaism
> and Christianity. It is one of the oldest known texts and was found on
> clay tablets written by the Sumerians.
>
> Sleepy<<<<
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Only about 15 times over the last 35 years Sleepy.... There is a lot to be
learned there.
Will, T2