Recently diagnosed
Helen Back
relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
I may as well jump right in!.......
I was feeling ill for many months - lethargic, chronically tired,
nauseous, itchy all over, hot *flushes*. Thought it was early
menopause until I went for an eye test. Optician detected anamolies
behind one eye (she say indicative of high BP or cholesterol) - went
to docs who checked my BP which was fine and then sent me for blood
tests.
Cholesterol fine, triglycerides high! Had never heard of
triglycerides.
Diagnosed me there and then.
I'm now on Simvastatin and one aspirin a day. And have been told, in
no uncertain terms, that DIET is the only way to control and maintain
a healthy longevitiy.
I have completely changed my diet - cutting out all hydrogenated crap,
processed foods and refined breads, rice and pasta. Now on a totally
high fibre diet with lots of beans, lentils, wholemeal pasta, brown
basmati - lots of oily fish and green salad (til its coming out of my
ears), etc..
But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD (I
will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
sounds scary!
I havent found much info on this on the internet - can anyone else
point me in the right direction. Isnt it something to do with
glycaemic immune something or other??
Anyway, hope you all didnt mind me rushing in like a freight train!
Cheers,
HB
Diana
"Helen Back" <Siriu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Welcome to ASD. Of course no one minds you jumping right in. Except for why
you had to be here you are most welcome. I am sorry to hear you are not
feeling well. I hope you start to recover soon.
I don't know anything about GAD but others here will and will extend a
helpful hand.
I just wanted to say Hi and Welcome but hang in there and many will come to
your rescue :-)
It sounds like you are starting out right with changing your way of eating.
That is a giant step.
Best wishes and a healthier you :-)
Julie Bove
"Helen Back" <Siriu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1190361490....@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
Hi and welcome! I'm not really sure what a high fiber diet will do for you.
If you do have diabetes, it's the carbs that you want to watch. Not that
high fiber is a bad thing, but you do seem to be eating a lot of carby
foods.
Not sure what GAD is although I have heard of GAD antibodies.
Helen Back
> "Helen Back" <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>
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Thank you for the welcome! I dont feel ill anymore, thats the good
thing! Since changing my diet, the nausea and other symptoms seem to
have abated.
Helen Back
> "Helen Back" <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>
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I'm still going thro the learning process!! As a guideline, could you
tell me what I should NOT be eating, or in moderation, and I will see
if I am following that already.
I know pasta and rice is carby but its being balanced with protein in
fish, chicken and the plant proteins.
Im eating plenty of fruit - going for the low glycaemic load and
eating the medium/high in moderation.
Lots of green salads, olives, cottage cheese, tomatoes - stuff like
that.
Keeping off sweets, biscuits, cakes, chocolate etc - stopped them the
day I got diagnosed!
But if you can see some error in my diet choice, I am all for
listening and learning.
Thank you.
Alan S
Hi Helen
I'll jump in here rather than your first post if that's OK.
Welcome, by the way:-)
To answer this: "As a guideline, could you tell me what I
should NOT be eating, or in moderation, and I will see if I
am following that already."
The best way is for you to use your meter to discover that
yourself. I say that for two reasons. First, no advice works
better than something you see with your own eyes, such as a
high BG reading after the wrong meal. Second, we are all a
little different; the foods that may be terrible for me may
be fine for you.
There is a third reason. You may find, like I did, that some
foods are OK at one meal and not at others. For example,
many of us are particularly intolerant of carbs at breakfast
but may be able to eat them later in the day.
I notice you didn't mention any meter readings but I presume
that you do own one. I strongly urge you to read this:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm.
That was the single most important advice I received
anywhere after diagnosis.
This is how I incorporated it in my own plan:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/d-day.html
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Helen Back
>
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HI Alan - Ive saved the links to my favourites and will peruse - it
all looks very helpful and reassuring.
I'm still in the *shock* period at the mo!!
I intend to stick here for advice and support and hopefully be able to
assist other people with the big *D*!!
Thank you :)))
Diana
Good work :-) I am glad that those symptoms are gone. Again Welcome.
bj
> But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
> do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD (I
> will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
> GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
> sounds scary!
>
I think she needs to go back to school.
*LOTS* of us have "true diabetes" without having GAD stuff & without having
anything to do with insulin.
Or maybe she means that you don't have the kind of diabetes that's "not your
fault" i.e. the kind that your "horrible lifestle" brought on -- in which
case she.....needs to go back to school (&/or get counseling in dealing with
patients).
(does it show I'm irked at her pronouncement???)
And did anyone mention exercise?
It's like a whole slew of meds in what it can do for you.
Having diabetes is a constant learning process but there are plenty of us
here to help!
bj
Helen Back
> "Helen Back" <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
She did try the guilt thing with me - like I've been a naughty girl
for eating the wrong way all these years! I hadnt been eating the
wrong way - just not as much good stuff as I am now - so I do get the
message about it "not being my fault".
I have put on some weight in the last 2 years and will need to lose it
again. In fact, since changing my diet, Ive lost some already - so
just need to up the exercise and away we go!!
I take it the nurse is possibly talking through her proverbial, then?
And is it a british thing - this misinformation train?
She told me that if I have this other kind of diabetes (???), that I
will have to come off the simvastatin because it will hurt my liver
and will have to go on insulin instead.
Do I take it, we are talking proverbials again??!!!
I am seeing her next week - I will ask her again to explain it all and
will let you know what she says.
Seriously, more info from you all would be greatly reassuring.
Thanks.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<1190394887....@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Helen Back
<Siriu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> She told me that if I have this other kind of diabetes (???), that I
> will have to come off the simvastatin because it will hurt my liver
> and will have to go on insulin instead.
Well, you may know this, ... but, simvastin isn't a medication for diabetes.
Instead it is a statin, to lower lipids (cholesterol, triglycerides, etc.)
but it does work through the liver. All of the statins do.
> Do I take it, we are talking proverbials again??!!!
> I am seeing her next week - I will ask her again to explain it all and
> will let you know what she says.
I suggest making a list of things you want to ask her. And, I personally
always like to get what has been told to me written down too, so I can refer
to it later.
So, how about a few Yes or No questions:
Did they tell you what your blood glucose level was?
Did they send you home with a meter & test strips to test your blood with
it?
Did they say anything at all about Type 1 or Type 2?
Did they put you on any other new medications besides the simvastin & the
aspirin?
Hey! Hello! Welcome, and so forth, BTW. As an American I think I can safely
say that Brits do not have a monopoly on misinformation! <G>
--
DonnaB
06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg
..................09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0
..................12-20-06 hbA1C 5.2
..................05-18-07 hbA1C 5.3
"During my three years in Vietnam, I certainly heard plenty of last words by
dying American footsoldiers. Not one of them, however, had illusions that he
had somehow accomplished something worthwhile in the process of making the
Supreme Sacrifice." - Kurt Vonnegut 1822-2007, Hocus Pocus
Robert Miles
"Helen Back" <Siriu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1190361490....@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
> relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
>
> I may as well jump right in!.......
>
> HB
>
Welcome to the newsgroup.
Michelle C.
>
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Hi Helen,
I suspect with the GAD test your doctor is looking for the possibility
of LADA--Latent Autoimmune Diabetes in Adults. This type of diabetes
is caused when an antibody attacks your pancreas, the same as with
Type 1 diabetes. In the past people thought only children and young
adults got this type of diabetes, but they've discovered it can occur
in adults. When this happens, then insulin is a must because your
pancreas is making very little.
In Type 2 diabetes, the problem is different. In the initial stages
our bodies are making insulin, but it's not being used properly--hence
the term "insulin resistance". Consequently, our bodies churn out
even more insulin and this overactivity begins to damage the pancreas,
which can ultimately lead to the pancreas making less insulin. It's
why some Type 2 diabetes need insulin. Losing weight can help with
insulin resistance, allowing our bodies to use the insulin it makes
more efficiently. The 2nd thing that helps is reducing the amount of
carbohydrate in the diet. Whenever you eat carbohydrate, your
pancreas must put out insulin to deal with it. If you eat a lot of
carbs at once, your pancreas has to put out a lot insulin, especially
if insulin resistance is involved. So if you eat fewer carbs, the
load on your pancreas is less.
A lot of uneducated people "blame" Type 2s for their illness, because
the weight they tend to gain does make the problem worse. However,
the fact remains that due genetics, we are prone to insulin
resistence, which in and of itself causes weight gain. The insulin
resistance comes first. And there are many overweight who do not have
diabetes.
I see you filed away the website that Alan gave you. I strongly urge
you to read it, and if you don't have a glucometer, get one ASAP. By
modifying your diet right away, you've already taken the first step in
manage the disease. It's great that you're so proactive! However,
the glucometer is really necessary to learn what foods are actually
causing problems and which ones aren't. While I suspect you've
already reduced or eliminated many of the foods that were causing you
problems, which is why you're feeling better, I can almost guarantee
that you're still eating some things that may spike your BG. We've
all been surprised. For instance cooked carrots will spike me,
however I can eat raw ones. Go figure.
I'm sorry your illness brought you to us, but welcome!
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
W. Baker
: She told me that if I have this other kind of diabetes (???), that I
: will have to come off the simvastatin because it will hurt my liver
: and will have to go on insulin instead.
: Do I take it, we are talking proverbials again??!!!
: I am seeing her next week - I will ask her again to explain it all and
: will let you know what she says.
: Seriously, more info from you all would be greatly reassuring.
: Thanks.
Simvastin, I believe, is a statin drug which is for high chloresterol, bot
diabetes. People who use no diabetic med, oral diabetic med and/or
insulin may need a statin to dea l wth highchloresterol, although many
onthis group have found other ways to control that. I don't understand
the either/or in this information you are getting.
Meanwhile, welcome to the group.
Wendy
Nicky
<Siriu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>I was feeling ill for many months - lethargic, chronically tired,
>nauseous, itchy all over, hot *flushes*. Thought it was early
>menopause until I went for an eye test.
BTDT! Mad, isn't it - ALL the women in my family "started menopause"
early, but now I'm sure that they actually had diabetes. All my "early
menopause" went away when I got control.
>I'm now on Simvastatin and one aspirin a day. And have been told, in
>no uncertain terms, that DIET is the only way to control and maintain
>a healthy longevitiy.
Diet AND EXERCISE... try going for a walk an hour after a meal, and
see what it does to your bg.
>I have completely changed my diet - cutting out all hydrogenated crap,
>processed foods and refined breads, rice and pasta. Now on a totally
>high fibre diet with lots of beans, lentils, wholemeal pasta, brown
>basmati - lots of oily fish and green salad (til its coming out of my
>ears), etc..
Hmmm. Alan's given you the best diet link - you may have to change
your view of what a healthy diet is. Rice, beans and ordinary pasta
are off my list entirely - you need to test and see what they do to
you. You might be OK; you might need to eat smaller portions of the
carb and more fish / veggies.
>But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
>do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD
"true" diabetes? Strange thing to say... GAD antibodies would suggest
you have Type 1 diabetes - but if you did, you'd likely need insulin
right now.
Hang around - it sounds like you're going to be very proactive, which
is very cool!
Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
Alan S
MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>Helen Back wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
>> relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
>
>Sad to read about your acquiring diabetes.
Sadly, Helen, this guy's reply looks almost reasonable until
you reach the end.
He is insane. Ignore him.
Alan S
<shall...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Hey! Hello! Welcome, and so forth, BTW. As an American I think I can safely
>say that Brits do not have a monopoly on misinformation! <G>
Goodness! As an Australian that could almost be classic
British understatement... :-)
Alan S
<ukc802...@btconnect.com> wrote:
>"true" diabetes?
Mine's not true at all. Unfaithful cuss - can't trust it at
all. Often off gallivanting with my other afflictions and
messing up things.
What ever happened to old-fashioned faithfulness and
loyalty? Stick to messing up my blood, no need for it to
mess about with hearts and eyes and toes.
No, not true or faithful at all...
Ozgirl
As your only reading that was not normal was the triglycerides, some weight
loss and lowering of carbs should fix that pronto. Triglyceride levels are a
pretty good indicator of how much carb you eat. They are often high in
diabetics at diagnosis and drop rapidly with proper diet and weight loss.
Even normal weight non-diabetics can have high tris if a large percentage of
their meals are carbs (70+% is the figure I have seen in trials reported in
one of the med sites (Joslin, Harvard, Mayo or something - i.e. not your
unknown medical sites).
You probably don't need the statin at all. I am curious as to what the nurse
thinks is true diabetes.
Helen Back
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 04:46:44 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung,
>
> >Helen Back wrote:
>
> >> Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
> >> relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
>
> >Sad to read about your acquiring diabetes.
>
> Sadly, Helen, this guy's reply looks almost reasonable until
> you reach the end.
>
> He is insane. Ignore him.
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
I picked up the *vibe* already, thank you!! :)))
btw, for those I may not have responded to individually - I use google
groups and occasionally, I can see people have posted, but can't
actually see their posts - so I do apologise if I havent acknowledged
any helpful responses.
Darn this usenet thingie! :))
Helen Back
> In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:14:47 -0700 in Msg.#
Hi Donna - thanks for your response.
Im from the UK, my my bg is measured mmol .
I was diagnosed on the blood test result of high tryglycerides - with
fasting it was over 10 - which didnt mean a thing to me and, at the
time, and having the doctor say "oh please tell me you fasted before
the blood test, because I am hoping this reading is wrong!", I didnt
get round to asking what *10* meant. She promply diagnosed diabetes
and I sat in shock while she burbled on about what needs to be done
next. I was handed a px for Simvastatin and aspirin and an appt to go
see the diabetic nurse.
So yes, it was 10.
The diabetic nurse gave me blood strips and a meter
and I am only on the statin and aspirin.
The diabetic nurse told me to check my bg twice a day, 3 times a week
to ascertain what foods are spiking (a new term I picked up here!!)
and what ones arent.
She told me that a fasting test should be 7mmol or less and
two hours after lunch or dinner it should be 10mmol or less.
Obviously, you guys are recommending I check my bg much more regularly
and boy, have I had a shock!! I just found out that white basmati
sends me through the roof!! That's if 11.10mmol is high!!?
I take it this is very high - but your expertise on this would be very
much appreciated.
H B
Helen Back
and sorry yes, she told me I am Type 2
Helen Back
>
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Hi Michelle - thanks for the information. Ive been reading up on
diabetes and everything related but nothing is really sticking in at
the mo - but I did change my diet radically - and now I am getting
more realistic information from you guys, I can see how I can control
it much better.
And its good to know that there are others out there, with the same
problem, supporting and assisting in times of need.
Thank you.
Helen Back
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hi there - I will get as much info as I can when I see her next week.
I will reiterate her term *true diabetes* and ask her exactly what she
meant by that - and will let you know what she says.
Can I ask, why do you think I do not need the statin at all? - the
doctor put me on that, when she saw the initial result of my
triglycerides. That was before she then sent me for the glucose test,
which also came back high (10 point something!). Ive been taking the
statin since 25th July but wasnt actually diagnosed with diabetes til
the following month, after the blood glucose check at the hospital.
Genetically, my mother had diabetes which complicated many other
health issues (sadly, she passed away last year at the age of 64).
The male side of my family are predisposed to high cholesterol levels
and heart disease. If you saw my father, he has always been a lean
bean and healthy in every aspect, except for the cholesterol issue -
his consultant told him that altho his triglycerides are high (and on
statin for it) that there is nothing to worry about - and has been
telling him this for many years.
I am 43 btw!! Mature onset? Family related? Obviously I didnt stand
a chance!!! LOL
I am hoping that the next time I go for my blood test, that the
triglycerides have reduced - simply due to my change in diet and
upping the exercise levels.
Thanks.
Nicky
<Siriu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Im from the UK, my my bg is measured mmol .
The Aussies, Canadians and the rest of us Brits will understand you
directly, then - multiply/divide by 18 (or 20 if in a hurry) for the
Americans.
>I was diagnosed on the blood test result of high tryglycerides - with
>fasting it was over 10
Your TRIGS were 10+? Wow!
>She told me that a fasting test should be 7mmol or less and
>two hours after lunch or dinner it should be 10mmol or less.
It'll take you a while to get there - but you should aim for fastings
around 5 and to be under 8 at your highest spike - usually around the
hour mark somewhere, but it varies between individuals and with the
fat content of meals. Did anyone give you this link?
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/
Your nurse's targets are pretty well a guaranteed route to
complications, if you stick to them.
>Obviously, you guys are recommending I check my bg much more regularly
>and boy, have I had a shock!! I just found out that white basmati
>sends me through the roof!! That's if 11.10mmol is high!!?
Higher than I'd want to be (assuming a 1-hour mark that then dropped),
but actually not stupid. If you must eat rice, then Basmati isn't a
bad choice. You might like to try mixing it with chickpeas, and seeing
what you get after that meal? Make sure there's some fat around, to
slow absorption. OTOH, given that trigs are a marker of excess carbs
(or a genetic peculiarity), you might want to reconsider rice
altogether...
Nicky (Ipswich)
Helen Back
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:58:10 -0700, Helen Back
>
> >I was feeling ill for many months - lethargic, chronically tired,
> >nauseous, itchy all over, hot *flushes*. Thought it was early
> >menopause until I went for an eye test.
>
> BTDT! Mad, isn't it - ALL the women in my family "started menopause"
> early, but now I'm sure that they actually had diabetes. All my "early
> menopause" went away when I got control.
>
> >I'm now on Simvastatin and one aspirin a day. And have been told, in
> >no uncertain terms, that DIET is the only way to control and maintain
> >a healthy longevitiy.
>
> Diet AND EXERCISE... try going for a walk an hour after a meal, and
> see what it does to your bg.
I will check it out.... thanks.
>
> >I have completely changed my diet - cutting out all hydrogenated crap,
> >processed foods and refined breads, rice and pasta. Now on a totally
> >high fibre diet with lots of beans, lentils, wholemeal pasta, brown
> >basmati - lots of oily fish and green salad (til its coming out of my
> >ears), etc..
>
> Hmmm. Alan's given you the best diet link - you may have to change
> your view of what a healthy diet is. Rice, beans and ordinary pasta
> are off my list entirely - you need to test and see what they do to
> you. You might be OK; you might need to eat smaller portions of the
> carb and more fish / veggies.
My bg has been quite good - not high at all until I started
experimenting and found some foods do send me thro the roof!! But
you may be hitting it on the head, with the size of my portion - I may
be eating larger portions that I should. I'll cut it down and check
the bg again.
>
> >But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
> >do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD
>
> "true" diabetes? Strange thing to say... GAD antibodies would suggest
> you have Type 1 diabetes - but if you did, you'd likely need insulin
> right now.
Everyone here gasped at that term "true diabetes" as if you had never
heard anything like it in your lives!! Obviously, the nurse has been
misinformed or is using her powers of control to make stuff up!! I'll
definitely get to the bottom of it next week.
> Hang around - it sounds like you're going to be very proactive, which
> is very cool!
I think being diagnosed shocked me into realising, if I dont get
myself sorted, I can ask for all sorts of trouble, so yes, definitely
proactive!
Thank you.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >Helen Back wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
> >> relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
> >
> >Sad to read about your acquiring diabetes.
>
> Sadly, Helen, this guy's reply looks almost reasonable until
> you reach the end.
>
> He is insane. Ignore him.
Your false witness is forgiven by me just as I had forgiven dearly
departed Bob Pastorio:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/libel.asp
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Helen Back
>
> Im from the UK, my my bg is measured mmol .
>
> I was diagnosed on the blood test result of high tryglycerides - with
> fasting it was over 10 - which didnt mean a thing to me and, at the
> time, and having the doctor say "oh please tell me you fasted before
> the blood test, because I am hoping this reading is wrong!", I didnt
> get round to asking what *10* meant. She promply diagnosed diabetes
> and I sat in shock while she burbled on about what needs to be done
> next. I was handed a px for Simvastatin and aspirin and an appt to go
> see the diabetic nurse.
Right - got meself a little confused here - sorry! Im mixing up two
different appts with the doc. The exclaimation above, from the doc,
was when I was actually diagnosed after a glucose blood test.
The first blood test found high triglycerides and doc put me straight
on the statin and aspirin. But I hadnt had a glucose check at the
time, so had to go back for that. It was the glucose result (of *10*)
that made the doc say what she said and it was at that point she
diagnosed diabetes.
Sorry for the confusion!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> convicted neighbor Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >Helen Back wrote:
> >
> > >> Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
> > >> relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
> >
> > >Sad to read about your acquiring diabetes.
> >
> > Sadly, Helen, this guy's reply looks almost reasonable until
> > you reach the end.
> >
> > He is insane. Ignore him.
>
Sad to read that you have decided to take the broad meandering path
that leads only to death and destruction:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
If you ever change your mind, know that only the truth can set you
free:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Helen Back
>
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To be very honest with you all - seeing my mother ill for so many
years, suffering, and then having to watch her pass away has made me
realise (and Im sure there IS a message here!), that what she didnt do
to help her diabetes, I can. Its my body and my life and I now
realise that my mum wasnt helped or supported in any way that could
have helped her. When my mum began getting more ill, she kept saying
"Im sure its the diabetes complicating things"... but on researching
diet and exercise, I am beginning to realise my mum didnt do anything
of those things needed to keep her diabetes in check.
I will add - her disease was mesenteric arterial thrombosis and
polycythemia and she couldnt give up smoking, even after being
diagnosed with both the diabetes and her blood disorders and disease.
She was diagnosed with lung cancer in the June last year and died in
the August from the thrombosis (at least she didnt have to suffer the
lung cancer!). But I am sure, with the wrong approach to her
diabetes, it definitely made things worse.
Correct me if I am wrong here guys!
And I do apologise for the heavy post!!
Helen Back
> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:31:38 -0700, Helen Back
>
> >Im from the UK, my my bg is measured mmol .
>
> The Aussies, Canadians and the rest of us Brits will understand you
> directly, then - multiply/divide by 18 (or 20 if in a hurry) for the
> Americans.
Thankyou - that will help me to understand when our US counterparts
are giving us their readings! :))
>
> >I was diagnosed on the blood test result of high tryglycerides - with
> >fasting it was over 10
>
> Your TRIGS were 10+? Wow!
Check out other post - I cant remeber what she said my trigs were but
I got the above post mixed up with the second appt with the docs for
my glucose result - which was 10! Sorry!
>
> >She told me that a fasting test should be 7mmol or less and
> >two hours after lunch or dinner it should be 10mmol or less.
>
> It'll take you a while to get there - but you should aim for fastings
> around 5 and to be under 8 at your highest spike - usually around the
> hour mark somewhere, but it varies between individuals and with the
> fat content of meals. Did anyone give you this link?http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/
Thanks for that - link looks great!
>
> Your nurse's targets are pretty well a guaranteed route to
> complications, if you stick to them.
Thank you for that - I knew there was a reason why I ended up in asd -
bless you!
>
> >Obviously, you guys are recommending I check my bg much more regularly
> >and boy, have I had a shock!! I just found out that white basmati
> >sends me through the roof!! That's if 11.10mmol is high!!?
>
> Higher than I'd want to be (assuming a 1-hour mark that then dropped),
> but actually not stupid. If you must eat rice, then Basmati isn't a
> bad choice. You might like to try mixing it with chickpeas, and seeing
> what you get after that meal? Make sure there's some fat around, to
> slow absorption. OTOH, given that trigs are a marker of excess carbs
> (or a genetic peculiarity), you might want to reconsider rice
> altogether...
Phew! I must not panic, I must not panic!!...... Lots to learn...
:))))
Alan S
<Siriu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>btw, for those I may not have responded to individually - I use google
>groups and occasionally, I can see people have posted, but can't
>actually see their posts - so I do apologise if I havent acknowledged
>any helpful responses.
>
>Darn this usenet thingie! :))
Try http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download.php
Alan S
<Siriu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Hi Donna - thanks for your response.
>
>Im from the UK, my my bg is measured mmol .
>
Hi Helen
Another link for you:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2007/04/millimoles-and-milligrams.html
>I was diagnosed on the blood test result of high tryglycerides - with
>fasting it was over 10 - which didnt mean a thing to me and, at the
>time, and having the doctor say "oh please tell me you fasted before
>the blood test, because I am hoping this reading is wrong!", I didnt
>get round to asking what *10* meant. She promply diagnosed diabetes
>and I sat in shock while she burbled on about what needs to be done
>next. I was handed a px for Simvastatin and aspirin and an appt to go
>see the diabetic nurse.
>
>So yes, it was 10.
>The diabetic nurse gave me blood strips and a meter
>and I am only on the statin and aspirin.
>
>The diabetic nurse told me to check my bg twice a day, 3 times a week
>to ascertain what foods are spiking (a new term I picked up here!!)
>and what ones arent.
>
>She told me that a fasting test should be 7mmol or less and
>two hours after lunch or dinner it should be 10mmol or less.
>
>Obviously, you guys are recommending I check my bg much more regularly
>and boy, have I had a shock!! I just found out that white basmati
>sends me through the roof!! That's if 11.10mmol is high!!?
>
Yep. 200 to the Americans.
Read Jennifer again:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
Don't just bookmark it. That's the most important advice I
can offer you.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<1190449232.4...@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, Helen Back
<Siriu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> btw, for those I may not have responded to individually - I use google
> groups and occasionally, I can see people have posted, but can't
> actually see their posts - so I do apologise if I havent acknowledged
> any helpful responses.
>
> Darn this usenet thingie! :))
Hey, now, don't blame Usenet for Google Group's problems!! <G>
Odd, though, I don't recall people reporting that, even using it for access.
Ozgirl
"Helen Back" <Siriu...@hotmail.co.uk>
>> You probably don't need the statin at all. I am curious as to what the
>> nurse
>> thinks is true diabetes.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Hi there - I will get as much info as I can when I see her next week.
> I will reiterate her term *true diabetes* and ask her exactly what she
> meant by that - and will let you know what she says.
>
> Can I ask, why do you think I do not need the statin at all? - the
> doctor put me on that, when she saw the initial result of my
> triglycerides.
If tris are the only thing out of range I can't see why you were put on it.
Tris are usually very easy to reduce with a change of diet (less carbs) and
weight loss and a bit of exercise.
Statins are usually used for lowering ldl. Did you get a copy of your labs?
If not, do you remember what your numbers were? Cholesterol, tris etc.
Perhaps your doctor is one who prescribes statins for every diabetic
regardless.
Andy
to also reiterate that the Newly Diagnosed advice from Jennifer is the
best thing you can possibly read.
I'm recent myself having been diagnosed in July. I "outed" myself to
this group a few weeks back and post when I have something to say but
read daily.
So, welcome!
-Andy
DonnaB shallotpeel
<13fa097...@news.supernews.com>, "Ozgirl" <are_we_t...@maccas.com>
wrote:
> If tris are the only thing out of range I can't see why you were put on it.
> Tris are usually very easy to reduce with a change of diet (less carbs) and
> weight loss and a bit of exercise.
>
> Statins are usually used for lowering ldl. Did you get a copy of your labs?
> If not, do you remember what your numbers were? Cholesterol, tris etc.
> Perhaps your doctor is one who prescribes statins for every diabetic
> regardless.
But, she was put on the statin first, then about a month later, after more
bloodwork, was only then diagnosed as a T2 diabetic. We don't know numbers &
it certainly seems she wasn't given her labs in print, which would at this
point be very helpful for her, but she's also indicated family history. So
either cholesterol numbers, family history, or overall lipid panel including
triglycerides might have triggered its being prescribed.
--
DonnaB shallotpeel
Do you live in a Purple state? http://www.purplestates.org/
"As long as she's ill & dreaming, she is of use. She can't be allowed to
recover." - Stefan, GH 8/2/00 NLG Day
DonnaB shallotpeel
<1190449898.7...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, Helen Back
<Siriu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Obviously, you guys are recommending I check my bg much more regularly
> and boy, have I had a shock!! I just found out that white basmati
> sends me through the roof!! That's if 11.10mmol is high!!?
I think I've had rice once (or twice if you count leftovers) since I was
diagnosed, June 2006. But, I don't particularly care for rice, so it was one
of the easier things for me to give up. My main usage for it before was as a
carrier - of gravies and sauces. The once we had it, sometime this summer,
it was a homemade Mexican rice dish my partner concocted up, and I had only
a very small portion & had chicken & non-carby veggies with it.
It's really very frustrating, because you have to work out what works for
you rather than have a set guideline that everyone can follow. Although
there probably are some generalities that apply to most Type 2s!
--
DonnaB shallotpeel
Do you live in a Purple state? http://www.purplestates.org/
"Bay City needs you, Bella, ... now more than ever." - Carl Hutchins to
Donna Love 8-20-97
DonnaB shallotpeel
<tal9f3htt3ll1kdbg...@4ax.com>, Nicky
<ukc802...@btconnect.com> wrote:
> It'll take you a while to get there - but you should aim for fastings
> around 5 and to be under 8 at your highest spike - usually around the
> hour mark somewhere, but it varies between individuals and with the
> fat content of meals. ...
Yeah, my 'goal' (for lack of a better term) is to stay between 80 and 140.
That corresponds, basically, to the math conversion, right?
--
DonnaB
06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg
..................09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0
..................12-20-06 hbA1C 5.2
..................05-18-07 hbA1C 5.3
"Been there, done that, read the book, saw the movie, got the T-shirt, set
up the website, etc :D" - Jude C, RATSc, 3-5-04, off on a tangent about the
other kind of passion.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<lkg8f35dg01pcutbh...@4ax.com>, Alan S
<loralgtwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:36:51 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel
> <shall...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Hey! Hello! Welcome, and so forth, BTW. As an American I think I can safely
> >say that Brits do not have a monopoly on misinformation! <G>
>
> Goodness! As an Australian that could almost be classic
> British understatement... :-)
Well, I'm not an Australian, ... nor do I play one on TV, ... but I'll take
the compliment of classicness. <G>
--
DonnaB shallotpeel
Do you live in a Purple state? http://www.purplestates.org/
"Begging your pardon, but you always seemed quite distant." - Cory jet pilot
to Amanda, AW, 5/97
Jackie Patti
> Hi Michelle - thanks for the information. Ive been reading up on
> diabetes and everything related but nothing is really sticking in at
> the mo - but I did change my diet radically - and now I am getting
> more realistic information from you guys, I can see how I can control
> it much better.
It will take some time for all the info to stick.
IMO, Jennifer's advice to the Newly Diagnosed is the most useful bit to
start with as it gives you something to *do* right away before you
really have to understand the whole thing.
As you want to learn more, here's a couple good sites with LOTS of
useful info:
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/
http://www.diabetes-book.com/
DonnaB shallotpeel
<1190451205....@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Helen Back
<Siriu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Everyone here gasped at that term "true diabetes" as if you had never
> heard anything like it in your lives!! Obviously, the nurse has been
> misinformed or is using her powers of control to make stuff up!! I'll
> definitely get to the bottom of it next week.
Well, in some cases, it's been heard, but it's not appreciated. There are
some who might say that T1 diabetics just get it, genetically, biologically,
because something happens & their body doesn't produce insulin ... while T2
diabetics have brought it on themselves by their lifestyles. Basically it's
a crock, ... something of an insult, etc. if that's what's meant.
But, at one point in time the only kind of diabetes anyone knew of WAS Type
1, so, in that sense, it was 'the original'. (I guess that makes us Extra
Crispy. LOL!! If that cultural fast food reference doesn't make it to some
non-USA locale, it won't seem funny.) So, it might not be meant as an
insult, just kind of, oh, old-timey talking? Maybe?
--
DonnaB
06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg
..................09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0
..................12-20-06 hbA1C 5.2
..................05-18-07 hbA1C 5.3
"Being a mother is a fabulous thing to do in real life, but one of the few
women who's had a child on a soap where it didn't undermine her character
was Julia Wainwright." - Nancy Lee Grahn (Alexis, GH; ex-Julia Wainwright,
SANTA BARBARA)
Jackie Patti
> Can I ask, why do you think I do not need the statin at all? - the
> doctor put me on that, when she saw the initial result of my
> triglycerides.
A low-carb diet will lower triglycerides tremendously, so you might not
need meds at all.
You will discover that statins are the most controverisal drug class
around right now. They're either the greatest thing since sliced bread
and should be put in the water supply or they're a conspiracy of the
pharmaceutical companies who's intention is to kill us all slowly so as
to sell us as much as possible before we die. OK, the opposite sides of
the argument aren't QUITE that extreme, but it's close. If you google
this group for statins, you'll find more arguments than you ever wanted
to read.
I haven't gone deeply enough into the literature to come to a conclusion
on statins yet myself, but meanwhile I switched to Zetia (which works
differently than a statin), fish oil (which probably everyone should
take anyway) and vitamin D.
Jackie Patti
> Everyone here gasped at that term "true diabetes" as if you had never
> heard anything like it in your lives!! Obviously, the nurse has been
> misinformed or is using her powers of control to make stuff up!! I'll
> definitely get to the bottom of it next week.
She's probably trying to "translate" to someone who she assumes is
uneducated about diabetes.
You'll be overqualified to talk to her when you go back. ;)
Jackie Patti
> To be very honest with you all - seeing my mother ill for so many
> years, suffering, and then having to watch her pass away has made me
> realise (and Im sure there IS a message here!), that what she didnt do
> to help her diabetes, I can. Its my body and my life and I now
> realise that my mum wasnt helped or supported in any way that could
> have helped her. When my mum began getting more ill, she kept saying
> "Im sure its the diabetes complicating things"... but on researching
> diet and exercise, I am beginning to realise my mum didnt do anything
> of those things needed to keep her diabetes in check.
My dad died of emphysema, so I can relate. He had been a T2 for
decades, but had poor control, though usually it was in range for the
goals set at the time.
He lost bg control completely when they put him on prednisone for the
emphysema - but his diet wasn't right and he didn't exercise so he'd
have likely gotten there anyway if the emphysema hadn't killed him first.
> I will add - her disease was mesenteric arterial thrombosis and
> polycythemia and she couldnt give up smoking, even after being
> diagnosed with both the diabetes and her blood disorders and disease.
> She was diagnosed with lung cancer in the June last year and died in
> the August from the thrombosis (at least she didnt have to suffer the
> lung cancer!). But I am sure, with the wrong approach to her
> diabetes, it definitely made things worse.
Most people won't make the changes that are beneficial even if they know
about them. Sad but true.
I have two sisters with diabetes, and my husband's uncle and stepmother
both have it also. None of them have even given up white sugar. I
don't know what you do about that - you can give them info (all have
gotten good books and homemade sugar-free chocolate as gifts), but
nagging doesn't help. People either decide to take their health
seriously or they don't.
It's unfortunate because the stakes are quite high.
This group is extremely motivated compared to most diabetics. That's
why there's so much support here for someone like yourself who wants to
learn and is motivated.
> Correct me if I am wrong here guys!
Yes, diabetes makes everything worse. It slows healing, high blood
glucose feeds infections, causes organ damage, etc.
Pretty much controlling bg is the best thing you can do for your health
cause the consequences of not doing so are serious.
> And I do apologise for the heavy post!!
It isn't a light disease. We all joke a lot and such, but... diabetes
is pretty serious stuff.
Jackie Patti
> Hey, now, don't blame Usenet for Google Group's problems!! <G>
>
> Odd, though, I don't recall people reporting that, even using it for access.
I had problems with google occasionally, though not regularly. The
problems varied, but got annoying enough that I finally got around to
setting up a newsreader again.
flyingrat
lov...@thetruth.com says...
> Your false witness is forgiven by me just as I had forgiven dearly
> departed Bob Pastorio:
here's why Chung is dancing on Bob's grave, and has been for months
now.
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/d5d5097f3e03f7
1a?dmode=source&hl=en
from that post:
"Funny thing about that. No reason why they should admit it. Chung was
fired for giving substandard medical care. An arbitrator upheld the
firing. He was out of there in less than 3 months. If Chung's story were
true, he'd at least have had grounds for a suit himself. Ooops. No suit.
Canned. Out the door. Bad doctoring."
(Bob Pastorio)
Bob showed up Chung the Demonic for being what he is, a twelve week
wonder who fled the State of Florida. Some cardiologist and Christian
isn't he?
Now Bob is dead, Chung shrieks and howls and spams Bob's web journal.
Just like a good little ghoul who wants his revenge.
Hell hath no fury like a cardiologist without patients
flyingrat
and...@emorycardiology.com says...
> Sad to read that you have decided to take the broad meandering path
> that leads only to death and destruction:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
here's why Chung is dancing on Bob's grave, and has been for months
Nicky
<shall...@comcast.net> wrote:
>In alt.support.diabetes on Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:51:46 +0100 in Msg.#
><tal9f3htt3ll1kdbg...@4ax.com>, Nicky
><ukc802...@btconnect.com> wrote:
>
>> It'll take you a while to get there - but you should aim for fastings
>> around 5 and to be under 8 at your highest spike - usually around the
>> hour mark somewhere, but it varies between individuals and with the
>> fat content of meals. ...
>
>Yeah, my 'goal' (for lack of a better term) is to stay between 80 and 140.
>That corresponds, basically, to the math conversion, right?
Yup :D
Nicky.
Nicky
<Siriu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>On 22 Sep, 09:51, Nicky <ukc802466...@btconnect.com> wrote:
>> Your TRIGS were 10+? Wow!
>
>Check out other post - I cant remeber what she said my trigs were but
>I got the above post mixed up with the second appt with the docs for
>my glucose result - which was 10! Sorry!
Ah! OK, whew! Bg of 10 is of concern, but trigs of 10 should have you
hospitalised! (in fact, staying away from fires in case you turned
into soap or sommat :D )
>Phew! I must not panic, I must not panic!!...... Lots to learn...
Tons - but DON'T panic, seriously. It will have taken you several
years to get to this point, and will likely take you several months at
least to get everything sorted out.
What you should be agitating for immediately is an ophthalmologists'
appointment to make sure you don't have retinopathy. Your nurse should
have put you on the list already - but I don't trust her from here, so
check, will you : )
Are you a cook? If you need lower-carb versions of favourite foods,
someone will likely have found a way to substitute a recipe. I got
very depressed about having to give up favourite foods at dx, and did
a lot of searching to find good substitutes. I found having a stash of
chocolate muffins (almond flour) in the freezer was good headology - I
didn't want one every day, but if I did want a treat, I could have
one. Much of the adaptation to Life As a Diabetic is finding choices
you can live with, and that will help you maintain your health.
If you have questions, ask - and if the signal:noise ratio gets hairy
here, alt.support.diabetes.uk is quieter.
Nicky.
Gantlet
"Helen Back" <Siriu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1190453680.2...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I have been reading the misinformation you have been getting from here.
as about as good as any other comercial.
you could try and find a doctor that would agree with the missinformation
you are getting here.
chances are the only one you will find is in Dr. Bernstiens book.
Sorry you had to join this place.
you could also ask your questions at the ada web sites message boards but
keep in mind
that even tho you will be seeing people put down the ADA's advice there (
people from here post there and everywhere) if someone says something bad
about Dr. Bernstien that person gets a warning from the moderator and is
told not to mention the warning on the boards.
i wish i knew if that moderator was hired from within the ADA or was just a
chatter that happened to chat on their boards.
there is something fishy going on.
the internet is becoming 1 big commercial. be very careful.
--
Tom
Chat in peace with other diabetes at the American Diabetes Associations Web
Site.
http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=index&webtag=amdiabetesz&redirCnt=1
Information You Can "Trust" From Your American Diabetes Association
www.diabetes.org
Information on Specific Types of Fat.
http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-and-recipes/nutrition/foodlabel/specific-fats.jsp
Diana
> On 21 Sep, 21:52, Nicky <ukc802466...@btconnect.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:58:10 -0700, Helen Back
> heard anything like it in your lives!! Obviously, the nurse has been
> misinformed or is using her powers of control to make stuff up!! I'll
> definitely get to the bottom of it next week.
>
>> is very cool!
>
> I think being diagnosed shocked me into realising, if I dont get
> myself sorted, I can ask for all sorts of trouble, so yes, definitely
> proactive!
>
> Thank you.
>
Nurses do tend to make things up. I myself have never heard of "true
diabetes" My is for sure true :-) Wish it wasn't.
The nurse practitioner where I was going to an Endo told me when I wanted to
try new things that there was no more could be done for me. When she said
that I knew I would never go back and sweet talked my PCP into taking back
my care. He rolled his eyes when I told him what she had said.
Helen, just want to add that you are a delight to have here. I enjoy reading
your posts immensely. Thanks for sharing with us.
Diana
No need to apologize. Thank you for sharing your Mum with us. I am glad you
are learning from her mistakes. I am so very sorry you lost your Mum though.
I still miss mine after 10 years.
I wasn't going to say anything but one of the reasons I am trying so hard
now is a co-worker of my daughter's and husband had diabetes. He is a very
large man. He was in a motorcycle accident last weekend and is in the
hospital with a lot of broken bones. One leg had three broken ones. He is in
an induced coma to keep him from moving around. He had a displace or broken
pelvis and other stuff too.
They do expect him to be ok though. My husband and daughter use to tell me
about how black his legs were. Well after the accident they took his one leg
above the knee and this man is only about 52 which is 5 years younger than
me. He will go nuts when he finds out because though he was big he was very
active and loved his motorcycle.
His daughter said the accident was the best thing to happen. After they took
the one leg the other one turned a nice skin color again and is going to be
ok.
So......I have to be serious. I have wasted 8 years not doing what I need to
do. Time I took charge and did for me for a change.
You all here is and has always been the only support I have had. I leave
when hurt or angry but come back because this group was and is a saving
grace for my diabetes. I believe that God placed me here because he knows
you all are good people.
Sorry for the long post. Just so very upset about this man and what it took
to
get me do something even though I started before his accident trying to do
something
I am now more determined than ever to succeed.
Diana
"Gantlet" <T...@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote in message
news:epaJi.3369$ax2.995@trndny08...
all information or advice given us. We all know too that we have diabetes in
common and what works for one won't necessarily work for the other. An adult
would check with the doctor about any advice given. I for one can't stand
the ADA. On their meal plan I needed insulin because it was a carb rich meal
they had me on in the hospital. I much prefer low carb and trying to stay
off or get off my insulin.
Tom if you don't like it here and think we all misinform others then why are
you here? No need to answer just a food for though. No calories or carbs
even in it.
Gantlet
"Diana" <Di...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:46f53ff2$0$32518$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> IMNSHO I think we are all adults here and can and should research any and
> all information or advice given us. We all know too that we have diabetes
> in common and what works for one won't necessarily work for the other. An
> adult would check with the doctor about any advice given.
Very Very True.
I just wanted to point out to Helen that there is a very good chance that
her doctor will not agree with most of the information given to her here
and if she went to get a second and third opinion chances are they would
agree with the
first doctor about the information she is getting.
It does not mean that the doctor is behind the times or a quack.
I also dont agree with most of the information and how so many
personal opinions are given as medical fact.
I dont think that is wrong or an insult to do. lots of people here put down
the ADA's advice
and they also have that right.
I was also told how out of it my doctor was 5 years ago. So far most of
what was told to me here
turned out not to be true. and that is the same thing those here say about
the ADA and every other leading health organization.
Even if the people that post here agreed with the ADA I would still rather
Helen work 1 on 1 in person with doctors for
the kind of advice she is getting.
Chances are very good that a doctor in person will be much better than a
doctor on the internet and no one here is even a doctor lol unless you count
Chung. Well I do agree with more of what he says about nutrition but lol I
wouldnt make him my doctor.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<rWbJi.49$1z3.36@trndny02>, "Gantlet" <T...@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:
> "Diana" <Di...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:46f53ff2$0$32518$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> > IMNSHO I think we are all adults here and can and should research any and
> > all information or advice given us. We all know too that we have diabetes
> > in common and what works for one won't necessarily work for the other. An
> > adult would check with the doctor about any advice given.
>
> Very Very True.
> I just wanted to point out to Helen that there is a very good chance that
> her doctor will not agree with most of the information given to her here
> and if she went to get a second and third opinion chances are they would
> agree with the
> first doctor about the information she is getting.
Well, let's ask the Brits here about that, ... y'all see a preponderance of
advice given here that British docs would disagree with?
> It does not mean that the doctor is behind the times or a quack.
And, no one said either thing was the case.
> I also dont agree with most of the information
Wow! I don't know how anyone could disagree with most of the information! My
doctor must really be doing things wrong with how she is dealing with me as
a proactive diabetic patient!
> and how so many personal opinions are given as medical fact.
> I dont think that is wrong or an insult to do.
I think what you said was absolutely wrong. Here we have a newbie, coming in
with specific info & questions & a variety of people offering support, web
links, talking about specifics, etc.
> Even if the people that post here agreed with the ADA I would still rather
> Helen work 1 on 1 in person with doctors for
> the kind of advice she is getting.
So, really, you just think ASD should not be here, ... is that it?
> Chances are very good that a doctor in person will be much better than a
> doctor on the internet ...
And, amazing & shocking, she is indeed seeing a doctor & a nurse & as is
common people here have even talked about things she is going to be asking
her doctor about! Wow. Think of that.
Oh, wait, I forgot, you have some general, non-specific criticisms that most
of what's been said here is wrong.
Tom, what is it you would have people do as support?
--
DonnaB shallotpeel
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MI
On 9/22/07 5:32 AM, in article cb2af3pltpuur99al...@4ax.com,
"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shall...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In alt.support.diabetes on Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:48:11 +1000 in Msg.#
> <13fa097...@news.supernews.com>, "Ozgirl" <are_we_t...@maccas.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If tris are the only thing out of range I can't see why you were put on it.
>> Tris are usually very easy to reduce with a change of diet (less carbs) and
>> weight loss and a bit of exercise.
>>
>> Statins are usually used for lowering ldl. Did you get a copy of your labs?
>> If not, do you remember what your numbers were? Cholesterol, tris etc.
>> Perhaps your doctor is one who prescribes statins for every diabetic
>> regardless.
>
> But, she was put on the statin first, then about a month later, after more
> bloodwork, was only then diagnosed as a T2 diabetic. We don't know numbers &
> it certainly seems she wasn't given her labs in print, which would at this
> point be very helpful for her, but she's also indicated family history. So
> either cholesterol numbers, family history, or overall lipid panel including
> triglycerides might have triggered its being prescribed.
I don't know. I'm no expert at anything, but I have this feeling she must
have the same diabetic nurse that Clouded Brains had. I'm glad to read that
she is not averse to listening to people here.
Martha T2 Canada
krom
*might* help and things to consider...and always test yourself to see.
Funny part is they call those who wish to try to achieve non diabetic
numbers kooks or the fringe..then cry that not enough "real" info is given
out when the ada etc is readily available for all to see and make thier own
opinions..
They also cant cite the so called "misinformation" or what it is beign said
that wrong.
Saying form your own opinion and test and be proactive about ones health is
bad i guess..lol
KROM
"Diana" <Di...@privacy.net> wrote
Kurt
IMO it behooves all of us to learn as much as we can about diabetes
and work with our doctors to determine how it all applies to us as
individuals. If you are not happy with your doctor, or feel he or she
is not helping you, then it's important to keep looking until you find
one that does. Fending for yourself with a disease as complicated as
diabetes is foolish.
Support to me, as far as this newsgroup goes, is to share personal
stories and experiences we've had and what we've found works for us.
It should not take the place of working with a professional or used to
soley determine how you control your own diabetes. I worry that some
"recommendations" given here are so dogmatic that they can easily be
confused as medical fact.
What I haven't seen in all the links and advice here, other than in
Tom's sig, are the links to the professional diabetes organization.
So, I'll add them here for the OP as one more tool in her diabetic
tool belt...
www.diabetes.org
www.joslin.org
www.aace.com
Kurt
John
>> I have completely changed my diet - cutting out all hydrogenated crap,
>> processed foods and refined breads, rice and pasta. Now on a totally
>> high fibre diet with lots of beans, lentils, wholemeal pasta, brown
>> basmati - lots of oily fish and green salad (til its coming out of my
>> ears), etc..
Exellent dietary choices! Watch carbs at breakfast though. I basically stay
away from carbs until lunch time.
>> But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
>> do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD (I
>> will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
>> GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
>> sounds scary!
She probably meant that what she called a "true" diabetic has GAD antibodies
which would be a sign of Type 1 diabetes. A Type 2 diabetic will not have
these antibodies or islet cell antibodies either. Type 2 diabetics, although
not suffering from the autoimmune version of the disease are still very much
"true" diabetics and if not controlled will wind up with "true"
complications.
John C.
>> I havent found much info on this on the internet - can anyone else
>> point me in the right direction. Isnt it something to do with
>> glycaemic immune something or other??
>>
>> Anyway, hope you all didnt mind me rushing in like a freight train!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> HB
>>
> Hi Helen,
> Welcome to ASD. Of course no one minds you jumping right in. Except for
> why you had to be here you are most welcome. I am sorry to hear you are
> not feeling well. I hope you start to recover soon.
>
> I don't know anything about GAD but others here will and will extend a
> helpful hand.
>
> I just wanted to say Hi and Welcome but hang in there and many will come
> to your rescue :-)
>
> It sounds like you are starting out right with changing your way of
> eating. That is a giant step.
>
> Best wishes and a healthier you :-)
>
Diana
someone tells me something I don't understand I research it. Oh I can
promise that trying to achieve non diabetic glucose readings is my goal :-)
I might or might now succeed but I will die trying.
"krom" <thekromre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fd3mq0$85l$1...@aioe.org...
Diana
"Gantlet" <T...@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote in message
however my doctors in the past were not good. The advice I have been given
here far exceeds anything the doctors have ever told me.
At my diagnosis I was only there for a routine visit to establish being a
new patient as it was at the time of my becoming disabled. My doctor told me
I had diabetes handed me a 1200 calorie diet and sent me on my way never
explaining anything. I knew nothing until coming here shortly after my
diagnosis.
No one here IMO has tried to be a doctor. They are usually very careful in
stating they are not a doctor and it is a YMMV though I don't see that term
much here like it once was. Most here have always told me to see the doctor
and it was here I learned that "I" am the head of my medical team that "I"
"hired" the doctor not the other way.
Like with Reisa. I told my doctor about the help she gave, and he allowed it
because it worked. He did raise my dose with this lab work though on my
insulin.
Again thank you kindly for your answer.
Diana
do agree about not fending for ourselves. I may not always be compliant but
I still go to the doctor to stay on top of information and try to do. I try
harder now than ever before. I may be too late I don't know but time will
tell.
"Kurt" <kurtwhee...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190486847.4...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
Nicky
<shall...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Well, let's ask the Brits here about that, ... y'all see a preponderance of
>advice given here that British docs would disagree with?
'Fraid so - yup. My doctor is adamant that I shouldn't test, and that
I should base my diet on whole grains. OTOH, I have an A1c of 5.5%
(down from, I think, about 10.3% at dx), have come off all meds
(except thyroxine), and have reversed the neuropathy the doc missed at
dx. The doc is quite surprised now that I don't see him very often -
most of his other patients have progressed to needing insulin by this
stage; the last time I needed a doc for me was last year's flu jab.
When I go to Diabetes UK meetings, I am the only one eating a low carb
diet. I'm frequently the only one with a bg meter handy. Last weekend
was a regional meeting where I hadn't seen some folks for a year. They
looked a heck of a lot more than a year older, and two of them had got
that neuropathy walk - leaning forward to see where their feet were,
over their stomachs, stiff-legged from the pain. They had biscuits
with their tea at breaks, and rice and a crumble pudding with their
meal.
I'm 46, and if I follow my Dad's family pattern, I might make it to
100. Damned if I want to be blind or in a wheelchair for any part of
that. Jennifer's advice, and the low-spike diet resulting from that,
has given me a new lease of life, and improved my health enormously. I
have no doubt that had I followed the doc's guidance, or that of the
dietician who recommended oatmeal and bananas, I would be one of the
folks who had seriously deteriorated. No, thanks.
I spend a fair bit of my time campaigning against Diabetes UK's
dietary advice. However, they are handy people to know if you're
fighting a battle for test strips.
Alan S
<T...@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:
>> Thank you for that - I knew there was a reason why I ended up in asd -
>> bless you!
>
>
>I have been reading the misinformation you have been getting from here.
>as about as good as any other comercial.
Helen, you seem net-savvy. Do some googling on past posts.
Any of these nicks will do: Gantlet, Extreme-CC's, Mr.
Gantlet, copulator, cheeseburger, Thomas Muffaletto, Shadow
Spirit (I've forgotten others). Tom thinks we are all
dangerous nuts ignoring our doctors and out to destroy the
American Grain industry.
>you could try and find a doctor that would agree with the missinformation
>you are getting here.
>chances are the only one you will find is in Dr. Bernstiens book.
>Sorry you had to join this place.
>
>you could also ask your questions at the ada web sites message boards but
>keep in mind
>that even tho you will be seeing people put down the ADA's advice there (
>people from here post there and everywhere)
Wow! Really? They actually let us?
> if someone says something bad
>about Dr. Bernstien that person gets a warning from the moderator and is
>told not to mention the warning on the boards.
Thank you Tom, for clarifying something. it's quite unusual
for messages to be deleted by the moderator there, so I was
wondering who was the author of messages 15-17 in this
thread: http://tinyurl.com/35gej5
I thought you had been permanently banned. Obviously I was
wrong. What nick did you try to sneak back in with?
>i wish i knew if that moderator was hired from within the ADA or was just a
>chatter that happened to chat on their boards.
>there is something fishy going on.
>the internet is becoming 1 big commercial. be very careful.
Hey - Bob will be so happy to know you feel that way. Why
not tell him yourself.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Alan S
wrote:
Nicely picked. If not the same nurse, one from the same
training establishment.
Clouded Brains hasn't posted lately. It was good to see that
she finally became less clouded.
Alan S
<Siriu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>On 22 Sep, 09:53, Helen Back <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 21 Sep, 21:52, Nicky <ukc802466...@btconnect.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:58:10 -0700, Helen Back
>>
>> > <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> > >I was feeling ill for many months - lethargic, chronically tired,
>> > >nauseous, itchy all over, hot *flushes*. Thought it was early
>> > >menopause until I went for an eye test.
>>
>> > BTDT! Mad, isn't it - ALL the women in my family "started menopause"
>> > early, but now I'm sure that they actually had diabetes. All my "early
>> > menopause" went away when I got control.
>>
>> > >I'm now on Simvastatin and one aspirin a day. And have been told, in
>> > >no uncertain terms, that DIET is the only way to control and maintain
>> > >a healthy longevitiy.
>>
>> > Diet AND EXERCISE... try going for a walk an hour after a meal, and
>> > see what it does to your bg.
>>
>> I will check it out.... thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> > >I have completely changed my diet - cutting out all hydrogenated crap,
>> > >processed foods and refined breads, rice and pasta. Now on a totally
>> > >high fibre diet with lots of beans, lentils, wholemeal pasta, brown
>> > >basmati - lots of oily fish and green salad (til its coming out of my
>> > >ears), etc..
>>
>> > Hmmm. Alan's given you the best diet link - you may have to change
>> > your view of what a healthy diet is. Rice, beans and ordinary pasta
>> > are off my list entirely - you need to test and see what they do to
>> > you. You might be OK; you might need to eat smaller portions of the
>> > carb and more fish / veggies.
>>
>> My bg has been quite good - not high at all until I started
>> experimenting and found some foods do send me thro the roof!! But
>> you may be hitting it on the head, with the size of my portion - I may
>> be eating larger portions that I should. I'll cut it down and check
>> the bg again.
>>
>>
>>
>> > >But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
>> > >do not have *true* diabetes and mentioned something to do with GAD
>>
Sorry to read your story, but glad you posted it. No need to
apologise for an honest post with feelings. It probably
helped you to post it, it helped us understand your
situation better and I'll bet it helped a few lurkers to
read it and realise they are not alone.
bj
news:1190486847.4...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
> and work with our doctors to determine how it all applies to us as
> individuals. If you are not happy with your doctor, or feel he or she
> is not helping you, then it's important to keep looking until you find
> one that does. Fending for yourself with a disease as complicated as
> diabetes is foolish.
>
> Support to me, as far as this newsgroup goes, is to share personal
> stories and experiences we've had and what we've found works for us.
> It should not take the place of working with a professional or used to
> soley determine how you control your own diabetes. I worry that some
> "recommendations" given here are so dogmatic that they can easily be
> confused as medical fact.
>
Support groups is where I've learned the questions I *should* be asking, and
how I learned that my first endo was *not* being aggressive enough/thorough
enough/expert enough in how he was taking care of my cancer. Yes, I did say
"cancer" and "endo" in the same sentence -- endos treat/follow thyroid
cancer, it's unusual to need an oncologist.
I had already learned, mainly through groups like this one, what questions,
tests, & requests I should be making of my internist treating my diabetes
(before the cancer hit) -- she was too....soft...about it. I was ready to
head for an endo I had met & been impressed with about diabetes when the
cancer hit so I never did see him. I've been lucky since I switched endos
from the first one to one I met through the thyca group, & then with his
successor, that my endos have been good for keeping on top of both diseases.
So I *am* working with "professionals" -- just not the first ones I saw; I
learned what I *should* expect. In the olden days I'd never have known I
wasn't getting the best care with the best chance of long-term success.
I'd never have known that I could & should be more demanding of both myself
and my doctors.
> What I haven't seen in all the links and advice here, other than in
> Tom's sig, are the links to the professional diabetes organization.
> So, I'll add them here for the OP as one more tool in her diabetic
> tool belt...
>
Since OP is in the UK, you could at least have used *her* national
organizations. If she does use any USA-org info in discussing things with
her medical team & they don't agree with it, they'll just say "oh those
Americans......" -- best to have the orgs *they* should be expected to
respect! (not that I know what they are saying, but they are "local" to the
OP & can't be dismissed as "irrelevant in this country" or "we don't do
things that way"))
bj
Kurt
> "Kurt" <kurtwheeling1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Sorry to hear about your cancer problems and wish you the best on that
front.
> Since OP is in the UK, you could at least have used *her* national
> organizations. If she does use any USA-org info in discussing things with
> her medical team & they don't agree with it, they'll just say "oh those
> Americans......" -- best to have the orgs *they* should be expected to
> respect! (not that I know what they are saying, but they are "local" to the
> OP & can't be dismissed as "irrelevant in this country" or "we don't do
> things that way"))
> bj
I didn't read anything in the OP's first post that indicated where she
lived...I didn't read the whole thread. I see your point about a
doctor from one country being dismissive of information gleaned from
another. However, the sites I listed are all well respected around
the world and the information and links to resources they provide is
invaluable for anyone who wants to know the basics of diabetes and to
become aware of the latest research.
Kurt
Michelle C.
> On 21 Sep, 18:50, "Michelle C." <bookbug2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 21, 10:14 am, Helen Back <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On 21 Sep, 17:32, "bj" <bjone...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>
> > > > "Helen Back" <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:1190361490....@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > But, the diabetic nurse I see has explained it may be possible that I
> > > > > will be having a blood test in October to determine this) - if I have
> > > > > GAD, then I will have to begin insulin injections straightaway - this
> > > > > sounds scary!
>
>
> > > > *LOTS* of us have "true diabetes" without having GAD stuff & without having
> > > > anything to do with insulin.
>
> > > > Or maybe she means that you don't have the kind of diabetes that's "not your
> > > > fault" i.e. the kind that your "horrible lifestle" brought on -- in which
> > > > case she.....needs to go back to school (&/or get counseling in dealing with
> > > > patients).
> > > > (does it show I'm irked at her pronouncement???)
>
> > > > And did anyone mention exercise?
> > > > It's like a whole slew of meds in what it can do for you.
>
> > > > Having diabetes is a constant learning process but there are plenty of us
> > > > here to help!
> > > > bj
>
> > > She did try the guilt thing with me - like I've been a naughty girl
> > > for eating the wrong way all these years! I hadnt been eating the
> > > wrong way - just not as much good stuff as I am now - so I do get the
> > > message about it "not being my fault".
> > > I have put on some weight in the last 2 years and will need to lose it
> > > again. In fact, since changing my diet, Ive lost some already - so
> > > just need to up the exercise and away we go!!
>
> > > I take it the nurse is possibly talking through her proverbial, then?
>
> > > And is it a british thing - this misinformation train?
>
> > > She told me that if I have this other kind of diabetes (???), that I
> > > will have to come off the simvastatin because it will hurt my liver
> > > and will have to go on insulin instead.
>
> > > Do I take it, we are talking proverbials again??!!!
> > > I am seeing her next week - I will ask her again to explain it all and
> > > will let you know what she says.
>
> > > Seriously, more info from you all would be greatly reassuring.
>
> > > Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
>
> > I suspect with the GAD test your doctor is looking for the possibility
> > of LADA--Latent Autoimmune Diabetes in Adults. This type of diabetes
> > is caused when an antibody attacks your pancreas, the same as with
> > Type 1 diabetes. In the past people thought only children and young
> > adults got this type of diabetes, but they've discovered it can occur
> > in adults. When this happens, then insulin is a must because your
> > pancreas is making very little.
>
> > In Type 2 diabetes, the problem is different. In the initial stages
> > our bodies are making insulin, but it's not being used properly--hence
> > the term "insulin resistance". Consequently, our bodies churn out
> > even more insulin and this overactivity begins to damage the pancreas,
> > which can ultimately lead to the pancreas making less insulin. It's
> > why some Type 2 diabetes need insulin. Losing weight can help with
> > insulin resistance, allowing our bodies to use the insulin it makes
> > more efficiently. The 2nd thing that helps is reducing the amount of
> > carbohydrate in the diet. Whenever you eat carbohydrate, your
> > pancreas must put out insulin to deal with it. If you eat a lot of
> > carbs at once, your pancreas has to put out a lot insulin, especially
> > if insulin resistance is involved. So if you eat fewer carbs, the
> > load on your pancreas is less.
>
> > A lot of uneducated people "blame" Type 2s for their illness, because
> > the weight they tend to gain does make the problem worse. However,
> > the fact remains that due genetics, we are prone to insulin
> > resistence, which in and of itself causes weight gain. The insulin
> > resistance comes first. And there are many overweight who do not have
> > diabetes.
>
> > I see you filed away the website that Alan gave you. I strongly urge
> > you to read it, and if you don't have a glucometer, get one ASAP. By
> > modifying your diet right away, you've already taken the first step in
> > manage the disease. It's great that you're so proactive! However,
> > the glucometer is really necessary to learn what foods are actually
> > causing problems and which ones aren't. While I suspect you've
> > already reduced or eliminated many of the foods that were causing you
> > problems, which is why you're feeling better, I can almost guarantee
> > that you're still eating some things that may spike your BG. We've
> > all been surprised. For instance cooked carrots will spike me,
> > however I can eat raw ones. Go figure.
>
> > I'm sorry your illness brought you to us, but welcome!
>
> > Best regards,
> > Michelle C., T2
> > diet & exercise- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> diabetes and everything related but nothing is really sticking in at
> the mo - but I did change my diet radically - and now I am getting
> more realistic information from you guys, I can see how I can control
> it much better.
> And its good to know that there are others out there, with the same
> problem, supporting and assisting in times of need.
> Thank you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hi Helen,
That feeling that the information is not "sticking in at the mo" is
how we all felt at first. But be assured, over time it will. :-)
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
Alan S
Thanks Nicky. May I quote that sometime in other places,
properly attributed?
Michelle C.
> On 21 Sep, 18:36, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:14:47 -0700 in Msg.#
> > <1190394887.433051.51...@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Helen Back
>
> > <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > She told me that if I have this other kind of diabetes (???), that I
> > > will have to come off the simvastatin because it will hurt my liver
> > > and will have to go on insulin instead.
>
> > Instead it is a statin, to lower lipids (cholesterol, triglycerides, etc.)
> > but it does work through the liver. All of the statins do.
>
> > > Do I take it, we are talking proverbials again??!!!
> > > I am seeing her next week - I will ask her again to explain it all and
> > > will let you know what she says.
>
> > always like to get what has been told to me written down too, so I can refer
> > to it later.
>
> > So, how about a few Yes or No questions:
>
> > Did they tell you what your blood glucose level was?
>
> > Did they send you home with a meter & test strips to test your blood with
> > it?
>
> > Did they say anything at all about Type 1 or Type 2?
>
> > Did they put you on any other new medications besides the simvastin & the
> > aspirin?
>
> > Hey! Hello! Welcome, and so forth, BTW. As an American I think I can safely
> > say that Brits do not have a monopoly on misinformation! <G>
>
> > --
> > DonnaB
> > 06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg
> > ..................09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0
> > ..................12-20-06 hbA1C 5.2
> > ..................05-18-07 hbA1C 5.3
>
> > "During my three years in Vietnam, I certainly heard plenty of last words by
> > dying American footsoldiers. Not one of them, however, had illusions that he
> > had somehow accomplished something worthwhile in the process of making the
> > Supreme Sacrifice." - Kurt Vonnegut 1822-2007, Hocus Pocus
>
> Hi Donna - thanks for your response.
>
> Im from the UK, my my bg is measured mmol .
>
> time, and having the doctor say "oh please tell me you fasted before
> the blood test, because I am hoping this reading is wrong!", I didnt
> get round to asking what *10* meant. She promply diagnosed diabetes
> and I sat in shock while she burbled on about what needs to be done
> next. I was handed a px for Simvastatin and aspirin and an appt to go
> see the diabetic nurse.
>
> So yes, it was 10.
> The diabetic nurse gave me blood strips and a meter
> and I am only on the statin and aspirin.
>
> The diabetic nurse told me to check my bg twice a day, 3 times a week
> to ascertain what foods are spiking (a new term I picked up here!!)
> and what ones arent.
>
> She told me that a fasting test should be 7mmol or less and
> two hours after lunch or dinner it should be 10mmol or less.
>
> and boy, have I had a shock!! I just found out that white basmati
> sends me through the roof!! That's if 11.10mmol is high!!?
>
> I take it this is very high - but your expertise on this would be very
> much appreciated.
>
> H B- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hi Helen,
I'm not surprised the basmati spiked your BG. I've tried whole brown
rice, which is supposed to be better than white rice---my body can't
tell the difference. HA! It hates them both. But as others
suggested, you can try reducing your portion and adding in veggies,
chicken, etc. to see if it helps. Still, as Nicky mentioned, high
triglycerides are caused by an overconsumption of carbohydrate. Your
body takes any carbohydrate it can't use for energy right away and
turns it into triglyceride to be stored in your adipose tissue.
Hey, but I'm glad to see you're starting to use your glucometer to
check out how these foods affect you. Good job!
Alan S
<kurtwhee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Sorry to hear about your cancer problems and wish you the best on that
>front.
>
>> Since OP is in the UK, you could at least have used *her* national
>> organizations. If she does use any USA-org info in discussing things with
>> her medical team & they don't agree with it, they'll just say "oh those
>> Americans......" -- best to have the orgs *they* should be expected to
>> respect! (not that I know what they are saying, but they are "local" to the
>> OP & can't be dismissed as "irrelevant in this country" or "we don't do
>> things that way"))
>> bj
>
>I didn't read anything in the OP's first post that indicated where she
>lived...I didn't read the whole thread.
Maybe you should before commenting. This will give you a
hint about her non-US status and the quality of her medical
care:
"The diabetic nurse told me to check my bg twice a day, 3
times a week to ascertain what foods are spiking (a new term
I picked up here!!) and what ones arent.
She told me that a fasting test should be 7mmol or less and
two hours after lunch or dinner it should be 10mmol or
less."
> I see your point about a
>doctor from one country being dismissive of information gleaned from
>another. However, the sites I listed are all well respected around
>the world and the information and links to resources they provide is
>invaluable for anyone who wants to know the basics of diabetes and to
>become aware of the latest research.
>
>Kurt
Respected around the world? Probably true. Basics, for type
1 that may be true, for type 2 not necessarily - they don't
even all agree on BG and A1c targets to aim for.
bj
news:kr7bf317s1j8n58tf...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:27:44 -0700, Kurt
> <kurtwhee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I didn't read anything in the OP's first post that indicated where she
>>lived...I didn't read the whole thread.
>
> Maybe you should before commenting. This will give you a
> hint about her non-US status and the quality of her medical
> care:
>
The ....co.uk address was also a pretty big hint.
bj
Ozgirl
"Gantlet" <T...@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote in message
>
> "Diana" <Di...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:46f53ff2$0$32518$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>> IMNSHO I think we are all adults here and can and should research any and
>> all information or advice given us. We all know too that we have diabetes
>> in common and what works for one won't necessarily work for the other. An
>> adult would check with the doctor about any advice given.
>
>
> Very Very True.
> I just wanted to point out to Helen that there is a very good chance that
> her doctor will not agree with most of the information given to her here
Doctors often don't agree with patients making the kind if dietary changes
that brings about excellent bg control and improvement or prevention of
diabetic complications. Doesn't mean they are right, just uninformed.
Luckily my endo is a progressive and informed endo and would shoot any of
your pathetic anti low/lower carb arguments down in flames.
Ozgirl
"Kurt" <kurtwhee...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190486847.4...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
Blindly following the advice of uniformed doctors is even worse.
Mistylien
that CANOLA OIL you are using.
or the peanut that has the Rapeseed oil in it that is not eatable
Or any other products you Buy at the store that has Canola oil in it.
Canola oil has the tranfaty acid "Eucric acid" that causes your
blood cells to clump together and plug up your veins and there for starves
you organs to dysfunction.
Mad Cow disease is directly related to Canola and or Rapeseed products.
The name Canola comes from "Canada Oil company"
+ + +
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:1190451815....@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> diabetic neighbor Helen Back wrote:
>> convicted neighbor Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > >Helen Back wrote:
>> >
>> > >> Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
>> > >> relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
>> >
>> > >Sad to read about your acquiring diabetes.
>> >
>> > Sadly, Helen, this guy's reply looks almost reasonable until
>> > you reach the end.
>> >
>> > He is insane. Ignore him.
>>
>> I picked up the *vibe* already, thank you!! :)))
>
> Sad to read that you have decided to take the broad meandering path
> that leads only to death and destruction:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
>
> If you ever change your mind, know that only the truth can set you
> free:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist
>
Mistylien
"Mistylien" <yardh...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:8roJi.1233$BR5...@newsfe06.lga...
> Helen back your Diabetes is for the most part caused by
> that CANOLA OIL you are using.
> or the peanut that has the Rapeseed oil in it that is not eatable
> Or any other products you Buy at the store that has Canola oil in it.
> Canola oil has the tranfaty acid "Eucric acid" that causes your
> blood cells to clump together and plug up your veins and there for starves
> you organs to dysfunction.
> Mad Cow disease is directly related to Canola and or Rapeseed products.
There is no green plant that Canola is named after.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<8roJi.1233$BR5...@newsfe06.lga>, "Mistylien" <yardh...@charter.net>
wrote:
> Helen back your Diabetes is for the most part caused by
> that CANOLA OIL you are using.
> or the peanut that has the Rapeseed oil in it that is not eatable
> Or any other products you Buy at the store that has Canola oil in it.
> Canola oil has the tranfaty acid "Eucric acid" that causes your
> blood cells to clump together and plug up your veins and there for starves
> you organs to dysfunction.
> Mad Cow disease is directly related to Canola and or Rapeseed products.
> The name Canola comes from "Canada Oil company"
And, let's just check out all the newsgroups involved in this post:
From: "Mistylien" <yardh...@charter.net>
Newsgroups: sci.med.cardiology, alt.support.diabetes,
alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.bible.prophecy
Exciting to imagine that this might somehow involve bible prophecy?
--
DonnaB shallotpeel
Do you live in a Purple state? http://www.purplestates.org/
"Women are far more in tune with violence than men. As a result of 24-hour
news, we are more aware than ever before of the atrocities that are
happening to women all over the world, and, to make sense of what is going
on, we turn to art and fiction." - Val McDermid, female crime writer
Helen Back
> > "Helen Back" <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks John - now I can see why fellow T2's were angry!! It may be
that the nurse did explain it properly to me, but its all been a bit
of a blur. The moment I got diagnosed, its like Ive been on a fast
rollercoaster - changes in diet and attitude <-- attitiude: I know if
I dont make the right changes I could end up like my mum!!!
Thanks again :))
Helen Back
> Helen back your Diabetes is for the most part caused by
> that CANOLA OIL you are using.
> or the peanut that has the Rapeseed oil in it that is not eatable
> Or any other products you Buy at the store that has Canola oil in it.
> Canola oil has the tranfaty acid "Eucric acid" that causes your
> blood cells to clump together and plug up your veins and there for starves
> you organs to dysfunction.
> Mad Cow disease is directly related to Canola and or Rapeseed products.
> The name Canola comes from "Canada Oil company"
>
> + + +
>
>
>
>
> > diabetic neighbor Helen Back wrote:
> >> convicted neighbor Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > >Helen Back wrote:
>
> >> > >> Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
> >> > >> relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
>
> >> > >Sad to read about your acquiring diabetes.
>
> >> > Sadly, Helen, this guy's reply looks almost reasonable until
> >> > you reach the end.
>
> >> > He is insane. Ignore him.
>
> >> I picked up the *vibe* already, thank you!! :)))
>
> > Sad to read that you have decided to take the broad meandering path
> > that leads only to death and destruction:
>
> >http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
>
> > If you ever change your mind, know that only the truth can set you
> > free:
>
> >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
>
> > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> >http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> > Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> > Andrew <><
> > --
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> - Show quoted text -
I have mad cow's disease already - that's never been in doubt!!!!
As for the transfats you mentioned - I have never eaten them in my
life - perhaps because of the region I am from.
Quentin Grady
>Everyone here gasped at that term "true diabetes" as if you had never
>heard anything like it in your lives!! Obviously, the nurse has been
>misinformed or is using her powers of control to make stuff up!! I'll
>definitely get to the bottom of it next week.
G'day G'day Helen,
There is no medically defined condition called "true diabetes".
So what is going on.
Mind reading what the nurse's intentions is almost impossible. It
could be that she attempted to dumb down her terminology in the
misguided belief that she is being helpful. Frankly, even that is hard
to swallow. It would seem to be so much simpler to have used currently
accepted terms such as T1 or T2.
Others have alluded to the possibility of LADA considering the GAD
test. This is a much less common condition in which a person
initially diagnosed as T2 is later treated as a T1. We had a regular
poster called Old Al, who shared excellent information on LADA partly
because he, himself had the condition and partly because he had an
aptitude for explaining medical facts in a simple manner.
Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."
Quentin Grady
<Siriu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Genetically, my mother had diabetes which complicated many other
>health issues (sadly, she passed away last year at the age of 64).
>The male side of my family are predisposed to high cholesterol levels
>and heart disease. If you saw my father, he has always been a lean
>bean and healthy in every aspect, except for the cholesterol issue -
>his consultant told him that altho his triglycerides are high (and on
>statin for it) that there is nothing to worry about - and has been
>telling him this for many years.
G'day G'day Helen,
A decade ago, nearly all doctors didn't regard high triglycerides as
problematic. They were making decisions based on the best knowledge
available to them. More recently high triglycerides have been
recognised as an indicator of insulin resistance and is usually taken
more seriously.
Please accept that I'm not a medical professional so the description
I'm about to give is simplistic.
What having insulin resistance means in very rough terms is that your
pancreas has to struggle to produce more insulin to encourage glucose
to enter your muscles. The levels of glucose in the blood can be
high while the level in the muscles is low. This means you could be
feeling tired and in need of energy food when this is the very thing
you must avoid if the risk of diabetic complications is to be reduced.
The problem is that many organs do NOT require insulin for glucose to
flood into them. The vital things that I'll mention at the moment are
eyes and nerves. When they are flooded with glucose damage is done.
The generally accepted paths to dealing with this situation for T2
diabetics are,
1. Exercise. Those who have been able to exercise like they never
have before find many of their problems disappear. Some have even
found that what could be described as a balanced diet and exercise has
been all that is needed for them.
2. Exercise with a diet in which carbohydrate is thoughtfully assessed
and moderated. The most direct route to doing that is by blood glucose
testing. You'll have noticed how often Jennifer's advice to newbies
is mentioned here. There is an abiding reason why. Many of us have
followed her advice and found it simple, workable and effective.
It makes sense to read it through with friends or family. Diabetes
affects families and it helps to get as many you can involved in the
solution.
3. Exercise, diet and oral medications.
Here I profess to some surprise. The nurse or doctor has suggested
that ONLY diet and/or exercise is going to deal with your diabetes.
It could be in the shock of you diagnosis that other things were
mentioned but not heard. Whatever. There is some truth in
emphasizing diet and exercise.
Some people initially find diet an easy path to weight loss than
exercise. People differ. Doing what works is what is important.
Secondly, a few people get the mistaken idea that if they take the
tablets they don't need to change lifestyle. This provides temporary
relief of the symptoms of high blood glucose but in a short time their
condition is much worse as they haven't dealt with the major
contributing factors.
4. Exercise, diet and insulin.
>I am 43 btw!! Mature onset? Family related? Obviously I didnt stand
>a chance!!! LOL
OH, you stand a VASTLY better chance than your family. I don't mean in
terms of getting T2 diabetes, I mean in terms of not having it destroy
your life. I think you've probably already worked out why.
Firstly, doctors are much better informed and have more efficacious
drugs at their disposal.
Secondly, you.
What strikes me as quite remarkable is your proactive attitude. You
have already made dramatic changes in your diet. You are seeking the
best information you can. You are sifting through the info you've
received here and taking what is valuable on board.
One of the truisms of support groups is that people who give good
information tend to receive good information in return.
IMHO you have received some remarkably good responses from a wide
variety of people. That is a tribute to you. It didn't happen by
chance. In few days go back over what people have written.
Much of it is quite remarkable.
Your parents didn't have access to that opportunity. What happened in
the past is past. The future is your challenge and the odds are
better for you than for anyone in the past.
>I am hoping that the next time I go for my blood test, that the
>triglycerides have reduced - simply due to my change in diet and
>upping the exercise levels.
As I see it from a zillion miles away there are at least three reasons
why your triglycerides should improve.
The first is the statin. Don't underestimate the power of these
drugs. Trust your doctor in these matters. If you do have side
effects tell her IMMEDIATELY. They might be transient but they can
abeit rarely be extremely serious and irreversible. I hope you will
ask for and receive a print out with the symptoms to watch for and
their significance which you should notify your doctor about
immediately. You pharmacist might have such print outs if your doctor
doesn't. Different countries have different ways of dealing with
issues. Establish a working relationship with your doctor and nurse
that encourages them to give you their best.
IMHO, it is too much to rely on memory, especially when so much is
happening emotionally such as when you've just been diagnosed. It
makes sense to ask for print outs of things that are important such as
symptoms that need to responded to sooner rather than later and of lab
tests. These of course are simply my opinions and you might have
other thoughts.
Secondly and thirdly there is the diet (reduced intake of rapidly
available carbs) and exercise.
Chris Malcolm
> In alt.support.diabetes on Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:04:23 GMT in Msg.#
> <rWbJi.49$1z3.36@trndny02>, "Gantlet" <T...@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:
>> "Diana" <Di...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:46f53ff2$0$32518$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>> > IMNSHO I think we are all adults here and can and should research any and
>> > all information or advice given us. We all know too that we have diabetes
>> > in common and what works for one won't necessarily work for the other. An
>> > adult would check with the doctor about any advice given.
>>
>> Very Very True.
>> I just wanted to point out to Helen that there is a very good chance that
>> her doctor will not agree with most of the information given to her here
>> and if she went to get a second and third opinion chances are they would
>> agree with the
>> first doctor about the information she is getting.
> Well, let's ask the Brits here about that, ... y'all see a preponderance of
> advice given here that British docs would disagree with?
In the UK our docs seem to be vary rather more than those where Tom
lives. Most UK docs seem not unexpectedly to follow the general
guidelines laid down by the UK NHS, which are very similar to those of
the ADA. In addition some UK NHS trusts (local financial management
units) advise against the "costly and useless" practice of giving test
strips to T2s at all. Others are more relaxed and only deny test strips
to unmedicated T2s.
Then of course there are some proactive docs who keep up with the
research on their own and aren't necessarily led by the nose by
financial managers. Such as my doc, who is quite happy to prescribe me
any amount of test strips I want provided the annual totals don't
exceed what he's allowed to prescribe for a diabetic. He's happy to do
so because he can see that I'm using them to good purpose because I
give him printed summary graphs of my BG results when I see him.
He takes a special interest in diabetes, and has apologised to me for
the out of date and sometimes irrational attitudes of the UK NHS
towards diabetes, e.g. relying on "random" BG testing and fbgs for
diagnosis, which would possibly still have left me undiagnosed, since
I'm one of those T2s who develops diagnostically bad fbgs rather late
in the progression of my diabetes.
IIRC from past postings here most UK NHS docs are of the old-fashioned
ADA variety, but not all. As you would expect, when you get up to the
consultant endo level there's a higher proportion who are up to date
with the research.
This variance of UK docs with respect to diabetes is nothing special,
it's simply part of the general variability you find on all aspects of
medicine. That's why long before I became diabetic it was already my
habit to choose a large medical practice so that if I became affected
by a serious problem I would be able to work my way round the docs
available to find out who was the best at dealing with that problem.
--
Chris Malcolm c...@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
Nicky
<loralgtwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Thanks Nicky. May I quote that sometime in other places,
>properly attributed?
Quote away : ) It's fully public domain, on an increasing number of
places, expressed with varying degrees of coherence. I had another go
at it on asd.uk this morning replying to something Dave said.
Alan S
<ukc802...@btconnect.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:01:17 +1000, Alan S
><loralgtwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Thanks Nicky. May I quote that sometime in other places,
>>properly attributed?
>
>Quote away : ) It's fully public domain, on an increasing number of
>places, expressed with varying degrees of coherence. I had another go
>at it on asd.uk this morning replying to something Dave said.
>
>Nicky.
Ta:-)
Nicky
<shall...@comcast.net> wrote:
>In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 23 Sep 2007 02:20:19 -0500 in Msg.#
><8roJi.1233$BR5...@newsfe06.lga>, "Mistylien" <yardh...@charter.net>
>wrote:
>
>> Helen back your Diabetes is for the most part caused by
>> that CANOLA OIL you are using.
She's BRITISH, dammit - she's not using canola :D
>> or the peanut that has the Rapeseed oil in it that is not eatable
Peanuts give you rapeseed oil?!
>> Mad Cow disease is directly related to Canola and or Rapeseed products.
Wow! Prion transfer via vegetable oils! There is new science!
>> The name Canola comes from "Canada Oil company"
OMG, using products from Canada! Whatever next!
>
>And, let's just check out all the newsgroups involved in this post:
>
>From: "Mistylien" <yardh...@charter.net>
>Newsgroups: sci.med.cardiology, alt.support.diabetes,
>alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.bible.prophecy
>
>Exciting to imagine that this might somehow involve bible prophecy?
Well, evolution doesn't sound like it's on his agenda :D
Thanks, Donna - this guy must be in my kook filter, but I enjoyed that
:-)
Nicky
wrote:
>Then of course there are some proactive docs who keep up with the
>research on their own and aren't necessarily led by the nose by
>financial managers. Such as my doc, who is quite happy to prescribe me
>any amount of test strips I want provided the annual totals don't
>exceed what he's allowed to prescribe for a diabetic.
As a matter of interest - has he said what the limit might be?
BlueBrooke
<Siriu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Hi guys - came across you and hoping to learn anything beneficial in
>relation to my recently diagnosed diabetes.
Better late than never --
Hi! :-)
--
BlueBrooke
T2/D&E/June 2005
May 2007 A1c 5.5
Oct 2006 A1c 5.8
Jun 2005 A1c 6.8
Cheri
Mistylien wrote in message
<8roJi.1233$BR5...@newsfe06.lga>...
>Helen back your Diabetes is for the most part caused by
>that CANOLA OIL you are using.
>or the peanut that has the Rapeseed oil in it that is not eatable
>Or any other products you Buy at the store that has Canola oil in
it.
>Canola oil has the tranfaty acid "Eucric acid" that causes your
>blood cells to clump together and plug up your veins and there for
starves
>you organs to dysfunction.
>Mad Cow disease is directly related to Canola and or Rapeseed
products.
>The name Canola comes from "Canada Oil company"
What a crock.
Cheri
Alan S
<ukc802...@btconnect.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks, Donna - this guy must be in my kook filter, but I enjoyed that
>:-)
Yeah, filtered by my system; thanks for the laugh to start
the day:-)
Alan S
Chris Malcolm
> On 23 Sep 2007 09:44:20 GMT, Chris Malcolm <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>>Then of course there are some proactive docs who keep up with the
>>research on their own and aren't necessarily led by the nose by
>>financial managers. Such as my doc, who is quite happy to prescribe me
>>any amount of test strips I want provided the annual totals don't
>>exceed what he's allowed to prescribe for a diabetic.
> As a matter of interest - has he said what the limit might be?
He ducked that question by saying he had some discretion in individual
cases. I suspect it's somewhere between one and three a day :-)