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Anonymous

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Nov 5, 2009, 3:57:25 AM11/5/09
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mousekamaid wrote:
> Linda Gore wrote:
>> Excerpts from Robert Whitaker�s Anatomy of an Epidemic...
>>
>> Evil "drug-based paradigm of care that is fueling this
>> epidemic. The drugs increase the likelihood that a person
>> will become chronically ill, and induce new and more
>> severe psychiatric symptoms in a significant percentage
>> of patients."
>
> I'm starting to get whiplash from listening to both sides.

will your government-run canadian health care plan cover
treatment expenses for listening-induced whiplash??

> But I am starting to review the old psychology texts on
> personality.

to qualify yourself as online psychotherapist?

> Still, for mood disorders, I stick to the pharmacological
> treatments. I think we stopped with Freeman on this
> because he was a stupid brute.

who's Freeman?

> Brain anatomy may have had a chance to progress.

advances in neurochemistry would be far more useful.

Anonymous

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Nov 5, 2009, 4:58:27 AM11/5/09
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Anonymous

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Nov 5, 2009, 5:59:13 AM11/5/09
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mmmousemaid

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Nov 5, 2009, 2:23:44 PM11/5/09
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Who's Linda?

Mmmousemaid

Anonymous

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Nov 5, 2009, 5:52:43 PM11/5/09
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mousekamaid wrote:
> Who's Linda?

Linda Gore who posts here using an email address
containing the word 'indomitable' (apparently it's
her self-ascribed character description).

She's usually displeased with psychiatry and medications.

Surely you've read her posts here.

Then again, maybe you haven't.

mmmousemaid

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Nov 6, 2009, 7:29:13 AM11/6/09
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It was meant to be a rhetorical remark; you can look up Freeman
if you are interested in the history of psychiatry.

Mmmousemaid

noauth

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Nov 6, 2009, 6:36:25 PM11/6/09
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Mousekamaid wrote:
> It was meant to be a rhetorical remark;

Oh.

> you can look up Freeman if you are interested
> in the history of psychiatry.

Walter Jackson Freeman II, born 1895, American neurologist
with no surgical training, performed nearly 3500 lobotomies
in 23 states, including an ill-fated one on Rosemary Kennedy,
younger sister of future President Kennedy.

With the advent of anti-psychotic medications in the
mid-1950's, notably Thorazine, lobotomy fell out of favor
as treatment. Freeman's license to practice medicine was
revoked when a patient he was lobotomizing died.

Freeman died in 1972 from cancer.


mmmousemaid

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Nov 6, 2009, 6:48:34 PM11/6/09
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Yup. That's when brain surgery was more or less abandoned and
the advent of pharmaceutical treatments proved more humane. I think
Freeman's blunders were responsible for the abandonment of
discoveries in brain anatomy and physiological treatments of mental
illness.

Mmmousemaid

noauth

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Nov 7, 2009, 2:54:33 AM11/7/09
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Mousakamaid wrote:
> I think Freeman's blunders were responsible for the
> abandonment of discoveries in brain anatomy and
> physiological treatments of mental illness.

Hasn't electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) for depression
or mania seen a resurgence for cases where medications
haven't been effective?

Anonymous

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Nov 6, 2009, 6:15:37 PM11/6/09
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mmmousemaid

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Nov 7, 2009, 7:31:59 AM11/7/09
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Yes.... that's one of them, but it's controversial and not always
effective. There is a new derivative type now, Trans** stimulation.
Dr. Healy is actually *for* ECT and being a critic of the
pharmaceutical
industry, he may be an interesting advocate. By physiology, I would
include endocrinology because many hormones play such a big role in
emotions.

Mmmousemaid

Anonymous

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Nov 6, 2009, 6:41:05 PM11/6/09
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Marie

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Nov 7, 2009, 1:02:43 PM11/7/09
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On Nov 7, 2:54 am, noauth <a...@remailer.gabrix.ath.cx> wrote:

ECT is an SSRI-plus. It supercharges the hippocampus with zinc
already in the body, just like an SSRI
It does not "re-set" anything. The problem is that for many people the
effect only lasts about
3-6 months. The memory loss reported is probably the same as that of
SSRIs, only a tad more.

If the hippocampus is so atrophied ECT may have its place.
Neurogenesis can sill be achieved
by BDNF.

Anonymous

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Nov 7, 2009, 2:31:50 AM11/7/09
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Anonymous

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Nov 7, 2009, 2:46:56 AM11/7/09
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mmmousemaid

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Nov 9, 2009, 9:37:32 AM11/9/09
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What is BDNF?

Mmmousemaid

mmmousemaid

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Nov 9, 2009, 9:44:37 AM11/9/09
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I don't know the statistics on that. ECT has been demonized
by "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest". I have no comment
on it. In any case, I was referring to the emphasis on
drugs and the brain as the preferred treatment after lobotomy
failed. Brain surgery is now limited to things like tumour,
aneurysms, lesions, etc. But endocrinology, including the study of
brain
hormones is possibly too difficult a field.

Mmmousemaid

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