Seroquel, Clonazepam and depression
PB
My thoughts jut keep getting darker and darker lately.
The sprint till Xmas will be excruciating. I'm all alone.
Tonight is unbearable. I can't stand to be up during the day anymore,
but need to be all the time on virtually no sleep despite the pills.
Was taking these pills for anxiety and then sleep, but i think they're
hurting what is already an insufferably depression life and
circumstances.
Nom dePlume
news:44007599-e655-4e01...@j35g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
Yes, they can cause depression. This is something that should be monitored
carefully by your psychiatrist, and I'd recommend you contact him
immediately to see if these medications are depressing your mood.
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Find my book, Medicines for Mental health, and free drug information, at
www.MentalMeds.org
=====
PB
> "PB" <pbca1...@aim.com> wrote in message
What psychiatrist ? This is Canada Pal, get in line. a specialist, are
you kidding me ? 1,000,000 Canadians don't even have a family
physician.
In any case, my family doc will roll his eyes and say " You wanna try
another one ?" Another pill ? therapy ? doctor ? all the anti-
depressants (SSRIs) all increase weight and kill sex drive. last thing
i need.
if i get off these, then can't sleep, and will get even more anxious.
Bent Attorney Esq.
> On Nov 12, 2:22 am, "Nom dePlume" <m...@mentalmeds.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "PB" <pbca1...@aim.com> wrote in message
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> >news:44007599-e655-4e01...@j35g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Are Seroquel and Clonazepam depressants ?
>
> > > My thoughts jut keep getting darker and darker lately.
>
> > > The sprint till Xmas will be excruciating. I'm all alone.
>
> > > Tonight is unbearable. I can't stand to be up during the day anymore,
> > > but need to be all the time on virtually no sleep despite the pills.
>
> > > Was taking these pills for anxiety and then sleep, but i think they're
> > > hurting what is already an insufferably depression life and
> > > circumstances.
>
> > Yes, they can cause depression. This is something that should be monitored
> > carefully by your psychiatrist, and I'd recommend you contact him
> > immediately to see if these medications are depressing your mood.
>
Seroquel when it comes on at night(I take 300mg.s)causes some type of
depression in me. It's only for a half hour or so, then I fall
asleep. It also gives me the munchies. It also tends to have
cannabis like effects(sort of)which I can't stand. But I'm good to go
when I wake up.
> > --
> > Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
> > Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
>
> > Find my book, Medicines for Mental health, and free drug information, atwww.MentalMeds.org
>
> > =====
>
> What psychiatrist ? This is Canada Pal, get in line. a specialist, are
> you kidding me ? 1,000,000 Canadians don't even have a family
> physician.
>
And if you do manage to get a shrink, he/she might not be of any use
at all. And you waited a year for the appointment...
Nom dePlume
On Nov 12, 2:22 am, "Nom dePlume" <m...@mentalmeds.org> wrote:
> "PB" <pbca1...@aim.com> wrote in message
>
> news:44007599-e655-4e01...@j35g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Are Seroquel and Clonazepam depressants ?
> Yes, they can cause depression. This is something that should be monitored
> carefully by your psychiatrist, and I'd recommend you contact him
> immediately to see if these medications are depressing your mood.
What psychiatrist ? This is Canada Pal, get in line. a specialist, are
you kidding me ? 1,000,000 Canadians don't even have a family
physician.
In any case, my family doc will roll his eyes and say " You wanna try
another one ?" Another pill ? therapy ? doctor ? all the anti-
depressants (SSRIs) all increase weight and kill sex drive. last thing
i need.
if i get off these, then can't sleep, and will get even more anxious.
===
Sorry, PB. I answered your question, but have not advice about how to work
around the issue with physician availability. However, it is not true that
all antidepressants cause sexual dysfunction. The SSRIs do, yes, but
Bupropion (Wellbutrin) and Selegiline (Eldepryl, Emsam) generally do not, or
even help with sexual dysfunction.
Anonymous
> PB wrote...
>> Are Seroquel and Clonazepam depressants?
>>
>> My thoughts just keep getting darker and darker lately.
>> Tonight is unbearable...
>>
>> Was taking these pills for anxiety and then sleep, but
>> i think they're hurting what is already an insufferably
>
> Yes, they can cause depression.
Doesn't Seroquel have an "anti-depressant effect?"
Anonymous
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> Nom dePlume wrote...
>> PB wrote...
>>
>>> Are Seroquel and Clonazepam depressants ?
>> Yes, they can cause depression. This is something that
>>
>
> What psychiatrist?
> This is Canada, pal.
> Get in line.
> A specialist, are you kidding me?
I thought Canada was a great country, and Canadian health
care was the best deal in the world.
I've never heard a Canadian say anything but good things
about Canadian health care... until you.
> In any case, my family doc will roll his eyes and say
> "You wanna try another one?" Another pill? therapy?
> doctor ? All the anti-depressants all increase weight
> and kill sex drive. Last thing I need.
You got that right. They all increase weight and cause
loss of manhood.
Anonymous
> Nom dePlume wrote...
>> PB wrote...
>>
>>> Are Seroquel and Clonazepam depressants?
>>> My thoughts jut keep getting darker and darker lately...
>> Yes, they can cause depression. This is something that
>> should be monitored carefully by your psychiatrist...
>>
>
> What psychiatrist?
> This is Canada, pal.
> Get in line.
> A specialist, are you kidding me?
> 1,000,000 Canadians don't even have a family physician.
I thought Canada was a great country, and Canadian health
care was the best deal in the world.
I've never heard a Canadian say anything but good things
about Canadian health care... until you.
> In any case, my family doc will roll his eyes and say
> "You wanna try another one?" Another pill? therapy?
> doctor ? All the anti-depressants increase weight
> and kill sex drive. Last thing I need.
You got that right. They all cause weight gain and
erectile dysfunction.
Anonymous
> Nom dePlume wrote...
>> PB wrote...
>>
>>> Are Seroquel and Clonazepam depressants?
>>> My thoughts jut keep getting darker and darker lately...
>> Yes, they can cause depression. This is something that
>> should be monitored carefully by your psychiatrist...
>>
>
> What psychiatrist?
> This is Canada, pal.
> Get in line.
> A specialist, are you kidding me?
> 1,000,000 Canadians don't even have a family physician.
I thought Canada was a great country, and Canadian health
care was the best deal in the world.
I've never heard a Canadian say anything but good things
about Canadian health care... until you.
> In any case, my family doc will roll his eyes and say
> "You wanna try another one?" Another pill? therapy?
> doctor ? All the anti-depressants all increase weight
> and kill sex drive. Last thing I need.
You got that right. They all increase weight and cause
loss of manhood.
Anonymous
> Nom dePlume wrote...
>> PB wrote...
>>
>>> Are Seroquel and Clonazepam depressants?
>>> My thoughts jut keep getting darker and darker lately...
>> Yes, they can cause depression. This is something that
>> should be monitored carefully by your psychiatrist...
>>
>
> What psychiatrist?
> This is Canada, pal.
> Get in line.
> A specialist, are you kidding me?
> 1,000,000 Canadians don't even have a family physician.
I thought Canada was a great country, and Canadian health
care was the best deal in the world.
I've never heard a Canadian say anything but good things
about Canadian health care... until you.
> In any case, my family doc will roll his eyes and say
> "You wanna try another one?" Another pill? therapy?
> doctor ? All the anti-depressants increase weight
> and kill sex drive. Last thing I need.
You got that right. They all cause weight gain and
erectile dysfunction, despite what the docs tell you.
Bent Attorney Esq.
> PB <pbca1...@aim.com> wrote:
> > Nom dePlume wrote...
> >> PB wrote...
>
> >>> Are Seroquel and Clonazepam depressants ?
> >>> My thoughts jut keep getting darker and darker lately...
> >> Yes, they can cause depression. This is something that
> >> should be monitored carefully by your psychiatrist...
>
> > What psychiatrist?
> > This is Canada, pal.
> > Get in line.
> > A specialist, are you kidding me?
> > 1,000,000 Canadians don't even have a family physician.
>
> I thought Canada was a great country, and Canadian health
> care was the best deal in the world.
>
> I've never heard a Canadian say anything but good things
> about Canadian health care... until you.
>
The people that support our health care system(Canada)either live in
an area where there are sufficient doctors, or live in an area with
zip docs and are so brainwashed and brain dead that they worship at
the alter of the 'expert' physician. Most people in the western world
fit the bill: brain washed, and brain dead. They don't think for
themselves. They are told: 'Oh. We have a doc shortage. You'll
just have to grin and bear it. Your child may die, but we are the
rulers and the hell with you.' Not one of these brain dead morons
would ever think to ask: 'Why did this doc shortage come about? Who
is responsible? No. They don't do that. What they do is this:
'baaaaahhh; please shear me of my wool.' 'It grows every season, and
I have lots. Rule me so I may feel like the comfortable asshole that
I am.' 'Give me TV, and fried chicken and other processed foods so
that I may grow strong and work for youse.' The politicians, lawyers,
docs, judges, and their ilk need you! More than you need them! Any
producer don't need parasites the likes of which put on airs, wear
black robes(the executioner's colour), put Esq. after their name... A
farmer is worth 20 supreme court judges. I was watching a back hoe
operator in the summer. A young kid. He had pride in what he was
doing, and he was producing, building. Not living off the cream of
the labour of other people. He's too young and inexperienced to
understand that the parasites were sucking him off of 1/2 his
income.
Linda
You're right to think so.
You're being screwed.
Clonazepam is an extremely toxic anti-convulsant classified as a
member of the class of drugs and alchohol known as central nervous
system "depressants".
As a chemical derivative of benzo's, Clonazepam has all the downside
of the highly addictive benzo's, without any of the upside of
benzo's.
The most likely result of moderate to long term use of Clonazepam will
be a life long addiction to an anti-convulsant which depresses your
central nervous system, not merely because of Clonazepam's addictive
properties, but, because withdrawal is next to impossible because
use of anti-convulsants increases one's risk of seizure upon
discontinuation by 700%.
Seroquel is an antipsychotic.
The physical and mental debilitation occaisioned by Seroquel results
in Seroquel's approved use being restricted to treatment of
schizophrenia and manic depression.
The physical and mental debilitation occaisioned by Seroquel makes it
highly unethical for a physician to prescribe Seroquel for sleep or
anxiety.
Being a dopamine blocker, Seroquel sharply decreases users motivation
by inhibiting their ability to experience pleasure.
The combined effect of Clonazepam + Seroquel would most likely be
severe anergia or physicial depression, an inability to experience
pleasure, and, a lack of motivation or will needed to lift a finger
to alter and/or put an end to one's black and bleak existence.
The condition which the combined effect of Clonazepam + Seroquel
places you in renders you nothing more then a cash cow for all the
health care workers who are going to make a mint treating you for the
Diabetes, Pancreactis, Liver Failure, Kidney failure, Thyroid and
Endocrine Dysfunction, Morbid Obesity, Cardiac Conditions, Tardive
Dyskinsea, Dystonia, Parkinsonism, hearing loss, sight loss, loss
of mobility, cognitive dysfunction, and all the other horrific long
term side effects of Clonazepam + Seroquel.
Consider yourself nothing more than a whore, whom the Pimp aka your
primary physician intends to make a mint off pimping your shell out
to umpteen specialists over the next decade or so.
The only caveat being the above scenario assumes your primary
physician unethically Rx'd Clonazepam + Seroquel for sleep and
anxiety.
Such may not be the case.
Your primary physicians breach of ethics may include treating you for
schizophrenia, manic depression, or schizoaffective disorder,
without informing you that he/she is treating you for schizophrenia,
manic depression, or schizoaffective disorder.
Thus, the very first thing you need to do is get your hands on your
medical records so you can find out what diagnostic codes your
physician is putting in your permanent medical records to justify
prescribing you anticonvulsants and antipsychotics.
If the diagnostic codes are for manic depression, schizophrenia or
schizoaffective disorder get yourself a new physician AND an attorney
to sue the physician..
If the diagnostic codes are in fact insomnia and anxiety, then, you
best have a very frank discussion with your primary physician wrt
their explanation for having prescribed you an anticonvulsant and
antipsychotic for insomnia and anxiety.
Then, get yourself a new physician AND an attorney to sue that
physician.
Bent Attorney Esq.
I've been on 300 mg. Seroquel since Dec. 2004. I can't complain.
There are short term side effects(it mimics certain pot-like symptoms
which I've stated above, I don't like.) It has given me a proper 8
hours of sleep per night, which I am very grateful for. If, because
of it, I check out a few years early, then so be it. It doesn't have
a tolerance at all. 300mg. works as well now, as in 2004. It is also
supposed to control running, racing thoughts associated with certain
types of depression. That, I don't know about, although lately I have
been much calmer. That may be because I'm making an effort to stay
calm whenever I start to trip bad, or maybe the Seroquel is starting
to work in that manner? I used to sleep like a log. When my buddies
woke me up to go to work, I was ready to punch them in the head. Then
I got a fever in Guatemala/Belize, and haven't slept properly without
the aid of drugs. God I used to sleep, and miss that so much.
Drugged sleep isn't quite as good as a good natural sleep; but it's
better, much better than sleeping 3 hours a night.
Night shift. I used to work nights, 11:00PM ---> 7:00AM. I couldn't
sleep worth snot. One time, I went into work with 20 minutes of
sleep. I stood there for 8 hours doing nothing, but watching my
stupid cutter mill steel. The next night, I came in with another
whole 20 minutes of sleep. Ouch! What people will do for money. I
had many days where I got one hour of sleep.
Linda
wrote:
That's all very interesting.
However, WTF does any of that have to do with a PB's belief that his/
her being prescribed Clonazepam + Seroquel for insomnia and anxiety is
"hurting what is already an insufferably depressing life..."?
Bent Attorney Esq.
I gave my opinion on Seroquel. I was warned you were a wingnut.
Clearbrook
>
> - Show quoted text -
Go back to your Dr. and see if you can get something else that may
work better for you. I've heard of others who have had trouble with
seroquel and Clonazapam.
Linda
To what end?
PB isn't you.
> I was warned you were a wingnut.
WTF does the existence of a civil conspiracy to globally defame me,
amongst other things, have to do with PB's belief that his/her being
George Orwell
> Bent Attorney Esq wrote:
>> Linda wrote:
>>> PB wrote:
>>>> Are Seroquel and Clonazepam depressants ?
>>>> My thoughts jut keep getting darker and darker lately.
>>>> The sprint till Xmas will be excruciating.
>>>> Was taking these pills for anxiety and then sleep, but
>>>> depressed life and circumstances.
>>> You're right to think so.
>>> You're being screwed.
>>> Clonazepam is an extremely toxic anti-convulsant
>>> classified as a member of the class of drugs
>>> As a chemical derivative of benzo's, Clonazepam
>>> has all the downside of the highly addictive benzo's,
>>> Seroquel is an antipsychotic.
>>> The physical and mental debilitation occasioned by
>>> restricted to treatment of schizophrenia and manic
>>> The combined effect of Clonazepam + Seroquel would most
>> I've been on 300 mg. Seroquel since Dec. 2004.
>> I can't complain.
>> ... lately I have been much calmer...
>> ... Drugged sleep isn't quite as good as a good natural
>
> That's all very interesting.
>
> However, WTF does any of that have to do with a PB's
> for insomnia and anxiety is "hurting what is already an
> insufferably depressing life..."?
>
Well, I believe Bent Attorney has previously posted that
his own life has been affected by depression and an
inability to sleep adequately. What's he appears to
be relating in his reply above is that Seroquel has
improved his quality of sleep and implicitly brought
relief to his depression. That's his experience with
one of the medications PB is taking. I'm finding his
reply relevant to the discussion.
George Orwell
Anonymous
Nomen Nescio
Linda
In Robert's aka "Bent Attorney's" own words:
Mon, 26 Oct 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/odspfireside/browse_frm/thread/836cac0a1e5a6472?hl=en&scoring=d&
"I have had serious major depression, ongoing since
1975. I was in the Kitchener psyche ward in 1975. I moved on to the
London Psychiatric Hospital and had a nice stay in 1975, 1976, and
1977. I was in and out 4 times. Anyway I found out that anti-
depressants really helped me. However my Elavil stopped working in
1977. Time passes. I tried everything. Anti depressants no longer
worked. Why? I don't know. Finally, at the end of 2004, I was at
the end of my rope. I went to the emergency room of my hospital, and
asked to get into the psyche ward because I was extremely suicidal,
and I wanted to find correct medication. The jerk shrink said NO!
So, I didn't know what to do. A couple of weeks later, I took all of
my Elavil(an anti-depressant that didn't work, but it was really good
for helping me sleep). I was found about 14 hours later. I was
taken
in to the hospital and was in a coma for five days. I lost bone
mass,
and I lost muscle mass(which hasn't returned). I found out later
that
the docs thought I might be in a coma for the rest of my life. I
woke
up. They transferred me down to the psyche ward(which I had stayed
in
in 1975). There were people in there who were no danger to
themselves, or others, or who were addicts. One fellow was in there
because he was playing word games with his brother. Yet the creep
shrink would not let someone suicidal into the hospital? Lucky for
me, I did get proper meds and am now able to live with myself.
Just so you know, about a year before I went into the psyche ward
in 2004, I went to see a shrink to ask for proper meds. I told him
that
I was diagnosed with depression in 1975. I was literally hanging
onto
life by the skin of my teeth. Well maybe not literally, but very
close to it. At the end of an hour, he told me that he didn't know
if
I was depressed or not. And I felt such hatred come off of him, his
eyes upon leaving his office, just bored right into my back. So, now
having said this, I'll let you make up your own mind as to how the
system works. Hopefully, you can find better treatment than what I
received. I'm sure good treatment is out there. You just have to
luck out. In my experience(maybe it's because my depression is very
very severe, and they're not used to dealing with this kind of
illness)
shrinks are worth less than their weight in cheap britlle
contaminated
cast iron"
> What's he appears to
> be relating in his reply above is that Seroquel has
> improved his quality of sleep and implicitly brought
> relief to his depression. That's his experience with
one of the medications PB is taking.
What you contend is BA's experience, is not BA's experience, and, I
don't believe "BA" intended to relate it was.
Au contraire
BA has previously stated elsewhere, the Elavil (which BA had been
munching down for 30 years prior to his Seroquel use) hadn't done a
thing to alleviate his depression for the last 28 of the 30 years he
munched down Elavil, but, "it was really good for helping {BA}
sleep."
>I'm finding his reply relevant to the discussion.
I'm not finding BA's reply relevant to the subject of this
discussion, which is, PB's use of Clonazepam + Seroquel for insomnia
and anxiety is harming what is already an insufferably depressing set
of life circumstances.
I'm finding BA's argument illogical and fallacious.
However, I do believe if BA had wanted to make a relevant
contribution to this discussion BA could have related BA's experience
with Elavil.
Elavil is so sedating it really puts Elavil users to sleep, semi-coma-
like.sleep.
Furthermore, Elavil's sedating effect also reduces it's users high
anxiety to no anxiety.
http://www.anxietysecrets.com/loungeFrame-11.htm
Elavil (Amitriptyline Hydrochloride)
Amitriptyline is another heterocyclic antidepressant used in the
treatment of certain anxiety symptoms, hypochondria, and insomnia.
With it's sedative effects, it is also a helpful agent in treating
chronic pain and spontaneous endogenous depression.
What about Trazodone?
Isn't Trazadone yet another one of the sedating and anxiety reducing
drugs often prescribed for the insomnia and anxiety of people living
in an insufferably depressing set of life circumstances?
How bout Valium?
Didn't Valium alleviate the anxiety inducing insomnia of an entire
generation of Americans?
How bout Tenex et al?
I forget whether Tenex is an alpha or beta blocker, but, I do know
Tenex et al is prescribed off label for it's sedating and anxiety
reducing effect.
Oops!
Mea Culpa
I forgot!
Elavil, Trazadone, Valium, and Tenex's patents all expired decades
ago.
Apparently, Clonazepam's and Seroquel's patents have not expired.
Thus, not one of the pharma shills cybersquatting in this forum is
going to mention Elavil, Trazadone, Valium, Tenex or any of the
other tried and trued "sedating" and "anxiety reducing" drugs to a
fella who expresses their belief the Clonazepam and Seroquel they been
prescribed for their insomnia plus anxiety is harming what is already
an insufferably depressing set of life circumstances.
Thus, I, an anti-drug crusader, am compelled to apprise PB of the
existence of a slew of drugs which are way safer, much more
effective, and far cheaper then Clonazepam + Seroquel are when it
comes to treatment of insomnia and anxiety.
Jeez louise, and, I'll be damned!
I guess, I reckon if someone is inclined to take drugs to relieve
insomnia, anxiety, or whatever, then, it ought to be the safer,
more effective, and cheapest drugs.
sigh....
Bent Attorney Esq.
First of all, I did not 'munch' down Elavil for the last 30 years.
> >I'm finding his reply relevant to the discussion.
>
> I'm not finding BA's reply relevant to the subject of this
> discussion, which is, PB's use of Clonazepam + Seroquel for insomnia
> and anxiety is harming what is already an insufferably depressing set
> of life circumstances.
>
> I'm finding BA's argument illogical and fallacious.
>
??? How so?
> However, I do believe if BA had wanted to make a relevant
> contribution to this discussion BA could have related BA's experience
> with Elavil.
>
> Elavil is so sedating it really puts Elavil users to sleep, semi-coma-
> like.sleep.
>
> Furthermore, Elavil's sedating effect also reduces it's users high
> anxiety to no anxiety.
>
> http://www.anxietysecrets.com/loungeFrame-11.htm
>
> Elavil (Amitriptyline Hydrochloride)
>
> Amitriptyline is another heterocyclic antidepressant used in the
> treatment of certain anxiety symptoms, hypochondria, and insomnia.
> With it's sedative effects, it is also a helpful agent in treating
> chronic pain and spontaneous endogenous depression.
>
> What about Trazodone?
>
> Isn't Trazadone yet another one of the sedating and anxiety reducing
> drugs often prescribed for the insomnia and anxiety of people living
> in an insufferably depressing set of life circumstances?
>
AND WHY ARE YOU going on about Trazadone? WHILE you condemn those who
reply to the thread topic:
'Seroquel, Clonazepam and depression'. At least I 'spoke' about half
the equation; 'Seroquel.' You're quite ready to start about non-
related topics such as Elavil, etc.
Linda
wrote:
sigh...
When I was a child, my friends and I played a game we called
"telephone".
We'd all line up, then, the first person in line would whisper
several declarative statements into the ear of the second person in
line. The second person would repeat the declarative statements to a
third person, the third to the fourth, so on and so forth.
What great fun we had anticipating, then learning, what had been
communicated to the 12th person in line vis a vis the original
communique of the first person in line.
Needless to say, "Telephone" was a very instructive game.
It taught me that if I ever have anything of great import to
communicate to another, I better do so myself, rather then through
intermediaries.
It taught me to receive what others have to say with a humongous grain
of salt.
It also taught me that communications entail some give and take if and
when one hopes the substance of what one communicates is understood by
the party or parties one communicated it to.
However, these lessons only apply where truth and mutual
understanding is the point of communicating.
These lessons have zero applicability when someone engages you in
communications in order to further their malicious, sinister, or
money making agenda's.
As a matter of fact, communication is not possible with individuals
whose sole motive for engaging you in communications is to further
their malicious, sinister, and/or money making/predatory agendas.
Therefore, I honestly do not know WTF to say in reply to your
communicating the fact that you haven't munched down Elavil for the
"last" 30 years, in response to my saying you munched down Elavil for
thirty years (1975-2004), because, it was, is, and continues to be
my understanding that "you said" you munched down Elavil for thirty
years (1975-2004) when you summarized your psychiatric history for the
benefit of Cindy, because, your communication that you haven't
munched down Elavil for last thirty years doesn't do a thing to negate
my understanding that you said you munched down Elavil for thirty
years (1975-2004) when "you" summarized your psychiatric history for
the benefit of "Cindy".
I'm going to continue to believe and/or say you munched down Elavil
for thirty years, because, it's my understanding that "you said" you
munched down Elavil for 30 years (1974-2004) when you summarized your
psychiatric history for the benefit of "Cindy".
If truth and mutual understanding is the point of your engaging me,
then, it's up to you to clarify what you say to ensure I understand
you, if and when, you think I've misunderstood you.
If you think I've misunderstood you, but, you aren't willing to
tell me something I don't already know to ensure I do understand you
correctly, then, your protesting my calling it as I see it will fall
on deaf ears.
> > >I'm finding his reply relevant to the discussion.
>
> > I'm not finding BA's reply relevant to the subject of this
> > discussion, which is, PB's use of Clonazepam + Seroquel for insomnia
> > and anxiety is harming what is already an insufferably depressing set
> > of life circumstances.
>
> > I'm finding BA's argument illogical and fallacious.
>
> ??? How so?
>
Your premise is invalid.
>
>
> > However, I do believe if BA had wanted to make a relevant
> > contribution to this discussion BA could have related BA's experience
> > with Elavil.
>
> > Elavil is so sedating it really puts Elavil users to sleep, semi-coma-
> > like.sleep.
>
> > Furthermore, Elavil's sedating effect also reduces it's users high
> > anxiety to no anxiety.
>
> >http://www.anxietysecrets.com/loungeFrame-11.htm
>
> > Elavil (Amitriptyline Hydrochloride)
>
> > Amitriptyline is another heterocyclic antidepressant used in the
> > treatment of certain anxiety symptoms, hypochondria, and insomnia.
> > With it's sedative effects, it is also a helpful agent in treating
> > chronic pain and spontaneous endogenous depression.
>
> > What about Trazodone?
>
> > Isn't Trazadone yet another one of the sedating and anxiety reducing
> > drugs often prescribed for the insomnia and anxiety of people living
> > in an insufferably depressing set of life circumstances?
>
> AND WHY ARE YOU going on about Trazadone?
Because my motive for participating in this discussion isn't
malicious, sinister, monetary, or predatory; therefore, I haven't
any self-serving reason to withhold information about Trazadone,
Elavil, Tenex, Valium, and all the other highly sedating and
anxiety reducing drugs known to be a great deal more effective, a lot
less debilitating, and far cheaper way of treating insomnia and
anxiety then Clonazepam + Seroquel is.
> WHILE you condemn those who
> reply to the thread topic:
> 'Seroquel, Clonazepam and depression'.....
I found what you had to say in reply to my initial post in this thread
interesting, but, I didn't and still don't understand what
motivated you to share that information with me when the information
you shared didn't address anything I discussed in the post you replied
to.
> You're quite ready to start about non-
> related topics such as Elavil, etc.
Yes, if someone indicates they are inclined to pop pills to resolve
insomnia + anxiety, and, that same someone indicates the pills they
are popping for insomnia + anxiety are 'harming what is already an
insufferably depressing set of life circumstances', then, I'm quite
ready to initiate discussion of Elavil, Trazadone, Valium, Tenex
and the slew of other highly sedating and anxiety reducing drugs, so
long as the drugs I initiate discussion of are all known to be a great
deal more effective, a lot less debilitating, and far cheaper way
of relieving insomnia and anxiety then the pills currently being
popped by that certain someone without the desired effect, despite,
knowing full well that individuals who are motivated to subscribe to
this forum to further their malicious, sinister, monetary, and/or
predatory agenda's will publish replies to my doing so wherein they
falsely accuse me of anything and everything they can think of to
falsely accuse me of.
<yawn>
Bent Attorney Esq.
Don't assume anything. It makes an ass out of you and me. I did not
munch on Elavil for 30 years. Period. Nothing more to say.
Linda
wrote:
> <snip>; you're far too long winded; simplify.
As you learned herein, simplification makes what one has to say wide
open to "interpretation".
> I did not munch on Elavil for 30 years.
You indicated you had munched down Elavil for 30 years (1975-2004) in
the article you authored summarizing your psychiatric history to
Cindy, which I republished along with the assertion you are taking
issue with.
In any case, the exact numbers of years you munched down Elavil isn't
relevant.
What's relevant is your personal experience on Elavil was that the
Elavil was highly sedating, IOW, it enabled you to sleep "really
good"
Thus, your personal experience with the highly sedating effect of
Elavil was well worth mentioning in your reply to an author who says
the pills they are currently popping for INSOMNIA + anxiety are having
the undesired effect of "hurting what is already an insufferably
depressing set of life circumstances."
Had you mentioned your personal experience of Elavil was that it's
highly sedating, others may have chimed in that Elavil is well known
for reducing anxiety as well, etc..
Information about alternative remedies for insomnia and anxiety IS
what a person is seeking when they publish articles saying the pills
they are currently popping for insomnia and anxiety are hurting what
is already an insufferably depressing set of life circumstances.
In 2004, you had to pop the remainder of your prescription of Elavil
and put yourself into a 5 day coma you may never have come out of to
make it crystal clear the Elavil you were being prescribed was not
having the desired effect vis a vis your severe depression, even if
it did help you sleep real good, before alternative remedies were
prescribed which had the desired effect.
Now that you have been using alternative medications which have the
desired effect for five years, have no memory of what it felt like to
have your report that the Elavil wasn't having the desired effect pooh
pahed and dismissed by all?
If you haven't forgotten what it was like to be at the end of your
rope because everyone minimized, belittled and dismissed your reports
that Elavil wasn't having the desired effect, then, why would you
effect to minimize, belittle, or dismiss PB's report that the
Clonazepam + Seroquel which PB is currently popping for insomnia +
anxiety isn't having the desired effect?
Do you feel that everyone should have to put themselves into a coma
they may never cover out of by popping the remainder of the
prescription pills they are taking to relieve whatever, whenever the
pills they are popping doesn't have the desired effect, in order to
make it crystal clear those pills aren't having the desired effect,
because that's what you had to do?
If not, then why reply to PB in a manner which would relegate PB to
having to do what you did to call attention to your desperate plight,
if "everyone" else dismisses PB's self-report, too?
Bent Attorney Esq.
You're putting too many words into my mouth. I never said that I was
belittled because elavil wasn't having the desired effect etc. etc.
etc.
Linda
Why not?
In your own words,
Mon, 26 Oct 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/odspfireside/browse_frm/thread/836cac0...
eyes upon leaving his office, just bored right into my back....."
Bent Attorney Esq.
Where did I say that I was belittled...? You lie...Stop lying and
pretending this and that if you wish to have a solid discussion.
Anonymous
> Linda Domitable wrote...
>> If you haven't forgotten what it was like to be at the
> Where did I say that I was belittled?
> You lie.
> have a solid discussion.
Linda Marie Gore can't help but lie.
Pathological lying is part of her character.
She is a k00k and part of the Invalid Ilk.
Linda
Where did I say that "you said" you had put yourself in a coma you may
have never come out of by popping the remainder of a Elavil
prescription because your self-reports of being seriously depressed,
at the end of your rope, and a danger to yourself had been being
belittled, minimized, pooh-pahed, and summarily dismissed for a
year by the crooks taking money in exchange for making sure you don't
off yourself by virtue of their questioning whether you were "really
depressed" and/or refusing to admit you to a psych ward.
Oops!
I never said "you said" that.
I recited your psychiatric history which includes your nearly dying at
your own hand because your self-reports of being at the end of your
rope, severely depressed, and/or suicidal, had been being
belittled, minimized, pooh-pahed, and summarily dismissed for a
year of more before your suicide attempt.
Your inability and/or unwillingness to grasp the reality that you
nearly died by your own hand because your self-reports about being at
the end of your rope, severely depressed, and/or suicidal fell on
deaf ears for over a year, goes a long way toward explaining why you
would do onto PB what was done to you.
Nomen Nescio
> Linda Domitable wrote...
Linda
wrote:
>Stop lying and pretending this
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From: SmilingTiger <x.smiling_ti...@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: can.legal
Subject: Re: Debt Collection Question
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:26:06 -0800 (PST)
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"i ain't no lawyer(thank god, but on the other hand i wish i had been
clever enough to swallow my anti-corruption morality and become one)
.......
"On Nov 22, 6:18 am, "Bent Attorney Esq." <x.smiling_ti...@yahoo.com>
wrote:"
Bent Attorney Esq.
Where do you get off saying that I am unwilling to grasp the reality
that I nearly died by my own hand? I know exactly what I did, and
what the consequences were. I have no interest in doing unto PB what
I did to myself. You extrapolate fantasy from truth.
Bent Attorney Esq.
> On Nov 22, 6:18 am, "Bent Attorney Esq." <x.smiling_ti...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Stop lying and pretending this
>
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> "i ain't no lawyer(thank god, but on the other hand i wish i had been
> clever enough to swallow my anti-corruption morality and become one)
> .......
>
> "On Nov 22, 6:18 am, "Bent Attorney Esq." <x.smiling_ti...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:"
You're a class III stalker.
Linda
wrote:
> On Nov 23, 5:01 am, Linda <indomitab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 22, 6:18 am, "Bent Attorney Esq." <x.smiling_ti...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >Stop lying and pretending this
>
> > Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!
> > d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
> > From: SmilingTiger <x.smiling_ti...@yahoo.com>
> > Newsgroups: can.legal
> > Subject: Re: Debt Collection Question
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> > "i ain't no lawyer(thank god, but on the other hand i wish i had been
> > clever enough to swallow my anti-corruption morality and become one)
> > .......
>
> > "On Nov 22, 6:18 am, "Bent Attorney Esq." <x.smiling_ti...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:"
>
> You're a class III stalker.
No, I'm a Google Subscriber.
It takes a Google Subscriber all of 20 seconds to access your profile
and discover that although you use the addy "Bent Attorney Esq." in
some discussion forums you also author posts in can.legal et al in
which you state you are not a lawyer.
Surely you never really intended to have anyone believe you were/are a
lawyer if you're not a lawyer, or, vice versa, right?
(sarcasm)
A)This is what appears when a Google Subscriber clicks on your reply
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So on and so forth, ad nauseum ad infinitum.
Linda
Where do you get off saying that I said you are unwilling to grasp the
reality that you nearly died by your own hand, where I had said
"Your inability or unwillingness to grasp the reality you nearly died
of your own hand because your self-reports about being at the end of
your rope, severely depressed, and suicidal fell deaf ears for over
a year..."
>I know exactly what I did, and
> what the consequences were. I have no interest in doing unto PB what
> I did to myself.
I never said you did.
What I said was your inability or unwillingness to grasp the reality
that you nearly died of your own hand BECAUSE your self-reports that
you were at the end of your rope, seriously depressed, and
suicidal fell on deaf ears for over a year, goes a long way to
explaining why you would turn a deaf ear to PB's self-report, just
as your own health care provider(s) turned a deaf ear to your self-
reports culminating in your near suicide.
Bent Attorney Esq.
>
> Ontario, when
> a tenant intentionally damages something within a residential rental
> property,
> is there not some sort of charge that can be layed against the
> tentant? i used
> to be a ...
> Feb 27 2008 by SmilingTiger - 2 messages - 2 authors
>
> Debt Collection Question
> SmilingTiger x.smiling_ti...@yahoo.com can legal On Feb 22, 6:15 pm,
>
> a
> question about a Canadian company trying to collect an alleged debt.
> About 18
> months ago I started a retail business and ordered merchandise COD
> from about 50
> ...
> Feb 27 2008 by SmilingTiger - 2 messages - 2 authors
>
> Letter of permission:
> SmilingTiger x.smiling_ti...@yahoo.com can legal On Feb 23, 12:27 pm,
First of all, take a break. 'Bent Attorney' is the name of a horse
what runs at Woodbine. I figured the name is fitting since I used to
play the horses, and I don't like lawyers(based upon experience). I
don't want people to think I'm a lawyer. You are a class III stalker
and a jerk off. Just fuck off with your ideas of who I am. You
haven't a clue.
Linda
> what runs at Woodbine.
Irrelevant.
A)You aren't limiting the distribution of your articles to the Toronto
Metropolitan Area: you are distributing your articles globally.
B) You aren't posting as "Bent Attorney": You are posting as " Bent
Attorney Esq".
As far as the world is concerned, you've identified yourself as a
doped up, licensed attorney by virtue of your calling yourself "Bent
Attorney Esc."
> You are a class III stalker'
No, I'm a Google subscriber, hence, someone who has automatic
access to your profile and posting history the nanosecond I click on
any article you publish.
> Just fuck off with your ideas of who I am.
You instigated this discussion of your impostering / pretending '
misrepresenting yourself as a doped up, licensed attorney and/or vice
versa when you globally defamed me by your publishing a reply to me
wherein you, The Great Pretender" exhorted me to "Stop lying and
Pretending...".
> You haven't a clue.
Yahoo! Canada Terms of Service
http://info.yahoo.com/legal/ca/yahoo/utos/utos-ca01.html
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Bent Attorney Esq.
Are you ever fucked up. I'm terminating dialogue with you. Sorry.
Linda
Good idea
> Sorry.
No need to be sorry, I would have terminated our dialogue if you
hadn't.
Knowing how things are here, I do believe it would be in your best
interest to either change your addy to something like "Bent Attorney--
The Horse", or, include a footnote in your signature explaining you
are not a licensed attorney, but, someone who has purloined the addy
"Bent Attorney" in honor of a horse which runs at your local
racetrack---or, whatever the case may be.
Regards,
.
George Orwell
> This is what appears when a Google Subscriber clicks
oh hey, that shows up real well in text on usenet.
how 'bout posting a link to the web page next time.
but then, that would be just too intelligent for you.
Linda
> Linda Marie Gore wrote:
> > This is what appears when a Google Subscriber clicks
> > Bent Attorney Esq.
>
> oh hey, that shows up real well in text on usenet.
>
> how 'bout posting a link to the web page next time.
What makes you think that the info which Google automatically makes
available to Google's subscribers is info which Google subscribers can
re-publish links to make available to Non-Google subscribers?
KnightMayor
Errr ... because it IS? [1] (And it has nothing to do with "Google
subscribers" versus "Non-Google subscribers".)
There is no *technical* reason why you can't do what is asked.
Do you have *another* reason why you can not make it available? If so,
what is it?
[1] Well, to nit-pick, it's not a link but a URL, but I'm sure that that
is what 'George' meant.
George Orwell
> What makes you think that the info which Google
> automatically makes available to Google's subscribers
> is info which Google subscribers can re-publish links
> to make available to Non-Google subscribers?
Because knowing you, you wouldn't be posting a link to
a Google web page for a public or commercial purpose.
George Orwell
> What makes you think that the info which Google
> automatically makes available to Google's subscribers
> is info which Google subscribers can re-publish links
> to make available to Non-Google subscribers?
A hyperlink is merely a location pointer.
In most cases, simple linking to a copyright protected
web page is unlikely to violate the law.
Most court decisions suggest that posting a hyperlink to
a copyrighted web page is not considered a copyright
infringement, as long as the link doesn't circumvent
restricted access to copies of the copyrighted
material, or the text surrounding the hyperlink doesn't
misrepresent something about the copyrighted material.
By the way, what you did by posting the text of that Google
page on Bent Attorney is in fact displaying and distributing
copyright protected material for a public purpose.
You best hope no one reports your deed to Google
for a violation of terms of service.
I'll bet they bounce your account.
Anonymous
George Orwell
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Anonymous
Anonymous
> I do believe it would be in your best interest to change
> your addy to something like "Bent Attorney-The Horse"...
Bent Attorney-The Horse Linda Gore couldn't ride.
LOL!
Anonymous
George Orwell
http://tinyurl.com/2yy6ka
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of the Materials solely for your personal, non-commercial
use. You may not sell or modify the Materials or reproduce,
display, publicly perform, distribute, or otherwise use the
Materials in any way for any public or commercial purpose
without the written permission of Google."
Violation of Google Terms of Service by Linda Marie Gore:
http://tinyurl.com/ykhvupw
George Orwell
> I do believe it would be in your best interest to change
> your addy to something like "Bent Attorney-The Horse"...
Bent Attorney-The Horse Linda Marie Gore couldn't ride.
LOL!
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Anonymous
> I do believe it would be in your best interest to change
> your addy to something like "Bent Attorney-The Horse"...
Bent Attorney-The Horse Linda Gore couldn't ride.
LOL!
George Orwell
LOL!
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Anonymous
> I do believe it would be in your best interest to change
> your addy to something like "Bent Attorney-The Horse"...
Bent Attorney-The Horse Linda Marie Gore couldn't ride.
LOL!
Linda
> Linda <indomitab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 23, 2:49 pm, George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
> > > Linda Marie Gore wrote:
> > > > This is what appears when a Google Subscriber clicks
> > > > Bent Attorney Esq.
>
> > > oh hey, that shows up real well in text on usenet.
>
> > > how 'bout posting a link to the web page next time.
>
> > What makes you think that the info which Google automatically makes
> > available to Google's subscribers is info which Google subscribers can
> > re-publish links to make available to Non-Google subscribers?
>
> Errr ... because it IS?
Maybe, but, I've never had any luck publishing links to a webpage I
access from within an ISP/NNTP/Posting Host I subscribe to, to non-
subscribers.
[1] (And it has nothing to do with "Google
> subscribers" versus "Non-Google subscribers".)
Like I said, I've never had any luck publishing links to a webpage I
access from within an ISP/NNTP/Posting Host I subscribe to, to non-
subscribers.
>
> There is no *technical* reason why you can't do what is asked.
So you say, but, I personally have never had any luck publishing
links to search results I access from within an ISP/NNTP/Posting Host
which I subscribe to, to non-subscribers
Comes out a broken link.
KnightMayor
> On Nov 25, 4:16�am, KnightMayor <n...@none.invalid> wrote:
> > Linda <indomitab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 23, 2:49�pm, George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
> > > > Linda Marie Gore wrote:
> > > > > This is what appears when a Google Subscriber clicks
> > > > > Bent Attorney Esq.
> >
> > > > oh hey, that shows up real well in text on usenet.
> >
> > > > how 'bout posting a link to the web page next time.
> >
> > > What makes you think that the info which Google automatically makes
> > > available to Google's subscribers is info which Google subscribers can
> > > re-publish links to make available to Non-Google subscribers?
> >
> > � Errr ... because it IS?
>
> Maybe, but, I've never had any luck publishing links to a webpage I
> access from within an ISP/NNTP/Posting Host I subscribe to, to non-
> subscribers.
So you just don't know how to do it (and are otherwise ignorant in
these matters)! That's fine, but just say *that*, instead of saying/
implying that it can't be done or is not allowed.
[Usual echos].
> Comes out a broken link.
s/link/record/
George Orwell
> I personally have never had any luck publishing links
> to search results I access from within an ISP/NNTP/Posting
> Host which I subscribe to, to non-subscribers...
> Comes out a broken link.
I doubt it has anything to do with your ISP.
It's got to do with cutting and pasting and using
a service that shortens long URL's into small ones.
Here's one: http://tinyurl.com/
Maybe your kindred spirit buddy pal chum Invalid can
provide you with a mini-tutorial.
George Orwell
> Psychiatry isn't medicine, Hoover.
If Psychiatry is not medicine, then why do you suppose the
American medical school curriculum includes biochemistry,
pharmacology, and neuroscience as preclinical study core
subjects, among others, and clinical rotations in neurology
and psychiatry during the final two years of medical school?
> "The medical model is a metaphor which portrays
> psychiatry, psychiatrists, and psychiatric {consumers}
> in the language of medicine...." - Ron Leifer, M.D.
It's interesting that Dr. Leifer consented to being
monitored in his practice of medicine by members of the
New York State Board for Professional Medical Conduct
as a result of being brought up on charges that he
he prescribed Klonopin, Valium, and other psychoactive
medicines to patients without adequately documented medical
justification. http://tinyurl.com/yll9mlt
If Dr. Leifer doesn't believe the medical model is
appropriate to the practice of psychiatry, then why
was he prescribing psychotropic medications?
Why was he practicing psychiatry to begin with?
> ... which the "learned" Whores and Dope Fiends taking
> money and dope from pharmaceutical corporations fabricated
> out of whole cloth.
So the learning about biochemistry and pharmacology and
neurology and psychiatry in American medical schools is
a fabrication?
Would so many brilliant university students majoring
in science seek admission to American medical schools, and
then gaining admission, continue on if the study wasn't
really science but rather fabricated whoremongering?
Anonymous
George Orwell
> > Linda <indomi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > http://tinyurl.com/yaudx9t
> >
>
> GFY.
>
LOL!
http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/
Anonymous
Linda
It's long been my experience that the links to data I access from
within my ISP, NNTP, or posting host are not readily usable by non-
scribers of my ISP, NNTP, or posting host; therefore, I've no
intention of retracting an assertion I know to be true because some
bozo publishes an assertion which contradicts but does not refute my
assertion.
However, if you're readily able to publish links to author's profiles
and other data which Google provides it's subscribers, which are
usable by Non-Subscribers of Google, why haven't you published the
links the gutless anonymous coward asked for?
.
KnightMayor
Repeating your false assertion, continuing to demonstrate your
ignorance in these matters and throwing in an insult, doesn't change
the falseness of your assertion in any way.
> However, if you're readily able to publish links to author's profiles
> and other data which Google provides it's subscribers, which are
> usable by Non-Subscribers of Google, why haven't you published the
> links the gutless anonymous coward asked for?
Ignoring the brokeness of your question (as I said, it has nothing to
do with subscribers versus non-subscribers): *Why* would *I* post them?
George Orwell
> Linda <indomi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> However, if you're readily able to publish links to
>> author's profiles and other data which Google provides
>> it's subscribers, which are >> usable by Non-Subscribers
>
> Ignoring the brokeness of your question (as I said, it has
> nothing to do with subscribers versus non-subscribers):
> *Why* would *I* post them?
Don't ask why when it comes to Linda Gore.
Once she gets stumped or otherwise bested in discussion
on usenet, she gets pertinaciously confused and rambles
on almost endlessly in circles, even when it's pointed out
that her logic is broken.
That's Linda Gore's stock in trade and history on usenet.
She don't need no doctor.
George Orwell
> Linda <indomi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> However, if you're readily able to publish links to
>> author's profiles and other data which Google provides
>> it's subscribers, which are >> usable by Non-Subscribers
>> of Google, why haven't you published the links...
>
> Ignoring the brokeness of your question (as I said, it has
> nothing to do with subscribers versus non-subscribers):
> *Why* would *I* post them?
Don't ask why when it comes to Linda Gore.
Once she gets stumped or otherwise bested in discussion
on usenet, she gets pertinaciously confused and rambles
on almost endlessly in circles, even when it's pointed out
that her logic is broken.
That's Linda Gore's stock in trade and history on usenet.
She don't need no doctor.
http://popup.lala.com/popup/432627082213515697
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-gn-EXOEIc
Anonymous
Anonymous
George Orwell
Anonymous
> Linda <indomi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> However, if you're readily able to publish links to
>> author's profiles and other data which Google provides
>> it's subscribers, which are >> usable by Non-Subscribers
>> of Google, why haven't you published the links...
>
> Ignoring the brokeness of your question (as I said, it has
> nothing to do with subscribers versus non-subscribers):
> *Why* would *I* post them?
Don't ask why when it comes to Linda Gore.
Once she gets stumped or otherwise bested in discussion
on usenet, she gets pertinaciously confused and rambles
on almost endlessly in circles, even when it's pointed out
that her logic is broken.
That's Linda Gore's stock in trade and history on usenet.
She don't need no doctor.
http://popup.lala.com/popup/432627082213515697
Anonymous
Linda
Your persistance in substituting a FALSE for true construction of
what's going on and what's being done, and/or, false issue for the
actual issue is duly noted.
>
> > However, if you're readily able to publish links to author's profiles
> > and other data which Google provides it's subscribers, which are
> > usable by Non-Subscribers of Google, why haven't you published the
> > links the gutless anonymous coward asked for?
>
> *Why* would *I* post them?
Because, it's you, not me, who seems to want them posted, and,
because, it's you, not me, who claims to have the facility to
post them.
So, PPSTFU!
Nomen Nescio
>> author's profiles and other data which Google provides
>> it's subscribers, which are >> usable by Non-Subscribers
>
> Ignoring the brokeness of your question (as I said, it has
> nothing to do with subscribers versus non-subscribers):
Don't ask why when it comes to Linda Gore.
Once she gets stumped or otherwise bested in discussion
on usenet, she gets pertinaciously confused and rambles
on almost endlessly in circles, even when it's pointed out
that her logic is broken.
That's Linda Gore's stock in trade and history on usenet.
She don't need no doctor.
http://popup.lala.com/popup/432627082213515697
George Orwell
> I've never had any luck publishing links to a webpage I
> access from within an ISP/NNTP/Posting Host I subscribe
> to, to non-subscribers.
huh?
who would be interested in a webpage from within your ISP?
the discussion is about posting a link to a Google webpage.
> it's you, not me, who seems to want them posted,
excuse me, but you're the one who just said she's never
had any luck posting a link. why would you try to post
a link if you didn't want it posted?
> it's you, not me, who claims to have the facility to
> post them.
it's you who claims to be having difficulty posting
links to Google web pages.
here's a link to a Google web page:
http://tinyurl.com/yb996wo
here's another:
http://tinyurl.com/yzgdkox
see how easy that was?
it's got nothing to do with the 'subscriber/non-subscriber'
or 'inside your ISP' bullshit you've been blithering about.
> I've no intention of retracting an assertion I know to
> be true because some bozo publishes an assertion which
> contradicts but does not refute my assertion.
what you think is the truth, and the truth in fact,
are two separate and distinct realms.
Doug Laidlaw
KnightMayor
Linda <indomi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 27, 2:13�pm, KnightMayor <n...@none.invalid> wrote:
> > Linda <indomitab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 26, 2:45�am, KnightMayor <n...@none.invalid> wrote:
> > > > Linda <indomitab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 25, 4:16�am, KnightMayor <n...@none.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > Linda <indomitab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Nov 23, 2:49�pm, George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Linda Marie Gore wrote:
> > > > > > > > > This is what appears when a Google Subscriber clicks
> > > > > > > > > Bent Attorney Esq.
> >
> > > > > > > > oh hey, that shows up real well in text on usenet.
> >
> > > > > > > > how 'bout posting a link to the web page next time.
> >
> > > > > > > What makes you think that the info which Google
> > > > > > > automatically makes available to Google's subscribers is
> > > > > > > info which Google subscribers can re-publish links to make
> > > > > > > available to Non-Google subscribers?
> >
> > > > > > � Errr ... because it IS?
> >
> > > > > Maybe, �but, � I've never had any luck publishing links to a
> > > > > webpage I access from within an ISP/NNTP/Posting Host I
> > > > > subscribe to, � to non- subscribers.
> >
> > > > � So you just don't know how to do it (and are otherwise
> > > > ignorant in these matters)! That's fine, but just say *that*,
> > > > instead of saying/implying that it can't be done or is not
> > > > allowed.
> >
> > > It's long been my experience that the links to data I access from
> > > within my ISP, NNTP, �or posting host are not readily usable by
> > > non- scribers of my ISP, �NNTP, �or posting host; therefore, �I've
> > > no intention of retracting an assertion I know to be true because
> > > some bozo publishes an assertion which contradicts but does not
> > > refute my assertion.
> >
> > � Repeating your false assertion
>
> Your persistance in substituting a FALSE for true construction of
> what's going on and what's being done, and/or, false issue for the
> actual issue is duly noted.
in your parallel universe.
[Post-edit duly noted.]
> > > However, �if you're readily able to publish links to author's
> > > profiles and other data which Google provides it's subscribers,
> > > �which are usable by Non-Subscribers of Google, � why haven't you
> > > published the links the gutless anonymous coward asked for?
[Post-edit duly noted.]
> > *Why* would *I* post them?
>
> Because, it's you, not me, who seems to want them posted, and,
> because, it's you, not me, who claims to have the facility to
> post them.
May I recommend Reading for Comprehension 101, or just Reading 101?
*I* am *not* the one "who seems to want them posted".
And your latter claim is only partly true, we *both* have the
*facility*, you just lack the *clue*. [1]
> So, PPSTFU!
Post proof of *what*? *I* didn't invent the 'subscriber' versus
'non-subscriber' fiction/straw man, that was *you*. Let me repeat what I
actually *did* say:
> > > > > > > What makes you think that the info which Google
> > > > > > > automatically makes available to Google's subscribers is
> > > > > > > info which Google subscribers can re-publish links to make
> > > > > > > available to Non-Google subscribers?
> >
> > > > > > � Errr ... because it IS?
Just replace "Google['s] subscribers" *and* "Non-Google subscribers"
by "Google users" in your sentence, and you will (hopefully) understand
my response.
[1] 'George' has given another clue.
Linda
> [Subject changed.]
>
> > > > However, if you're readily able to publish links to author's
> > > > profiles and other data which Google provides it's subscribers,
> > > > which are usable by Non-Subscribers of Google, why haven't you
> > > > published the links the gutless anonymous coward asked for?
>
>
>
> > Because, it's you, not me, who seems to want them posted, and,
> > because, it's you, not me, who claims to have the facility to
> > post them.
>
>
> Post proof of *what*?
Either post proof that you are able to publish usable links to
Google's profiles and histories of archived authors or cease claiming
you can.
KnightMayor
> On Dec 1, 12:56�pm, KnightMayor <n...@none.invalid> wrote:
> > [Subject changed.]
[Post-edit duly noted.]
> > > > > However, �if you're readily able to publish links to author's
> > > > > profiles and other data which Google provides it's subscribers,
> > > > > �which are usable by Non-Subscribers of Google, � why haven't you
> > > > > published the links the gutless anonymous coward asked for?
> >
> >
> > > > *Why* would *I* post them?
> >
> > > Because, �it's you, �not me, �who seems to want them posted, �and,
> > > because, � it's you, � not me, �who claims to have the facility to
> > > post them.
[Post-edit duly noted.]
[Missed clue duly noted.]
> > > So, �PPSTFU!
> >
> > � Post proof of *what*?
[Post-edit duly noted.]
[Post-edit of my position duly noted.]
> Either post proof that you are able to publish usable links to
> Google's profiles and histories of archived authors or cease claiming
> you can.
In addition to Reading [for Comprehension] 101, which I mentioned
before, I recommend Logic 101. The logic fallacy you commited in the
above paragraph is called a 'straw man'.
QED. HTH. EOD. HAND. NK.