Depressives AND bipolars..great Art Gallery+Music
Casanova Frankenstien
<bobw...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
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ack wav files, sorry but that shit don't flow with me, btw Bob they do
sell things there.....
Remove the **** from my address for email replies....
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bobwhelan
"Casanova Frankenstien" <robertpo*****@interconnect.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 18 Aug 2001 23:00:30 +0100, "bobwhelan"
> <bobw...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >THE PHOENIX WITHIN
> >
> >The Phoenix Within exists to show manic-depressives and depressives how
to
> >reach beyond the curse of the illness and grasp its gift; to find the
> >Phoenix within their soul and arise from the ashes to be reborn; to shun
the
> >stigma and embrace their creative minds. Please do not consider this
spam;
> >it is an effort to help bipolars as well as unipolars to see themselves
in a
> >different light.
> >
> >Click here to join The Phoenix Within Mailing List;
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Phoenix_Within_Parent_Group
> >
> >Or to find out more, visit;
> >http://www.thephoenixwithin.com
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >SM Wolfe
>
> ack wav files, sorry but that shit don't flow with me, btw Bob they do
> sell things there.....
The art gallery is free beautiful and spiritually uplifting
do you expect an artist not to sell his or her paintings?
Casanova Frankenstien
Did VanGough? I couldn't get past the fucking wave files, I just
sneaked a peak at the pics though, sans the wavs, seam pedantic to me.
Oh well art shouldn't be agreed upon.
bobwhelan
> On Sat, 18 Aug 2001 23:41:38 +0100, "bobwhelan"
> <bobw...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >The art gallery is free beautiful and spiritually uplifting
> >
> >do you expect an artist not to sell his or her paintings?
>
> Did VanGough? I couldn't get past the fucking wave files, I just
> sneaked a peak at the pics though, sans the wavs, seam pedantic to me.
> Oh well art shouldn't be agreed upon.
To be honest Im not too sure..
I thik he probably tried to ..
In the absense of a patron many artists die in poverty...
ans see nothing of the vast wealth generated by the
buying and selling of their works..
I think your scepticism misplaced..
they have only posted to art and depression groups...
the parent website has I philosophy Im fairly sure you might endorse
Miana <Mi...@Nova1.net> wrote in message news:398488ad$1...@news.nova1.net...
> The Phoenix Within; a website and mailing list designed for bipolar
> christians
>
> Mission Statement;
> First and foremost, the Phoenix within exists to assist in the dispelling
of
> the quasi-Christian myths of why one may have the disorder, a few being;
> there must be sin in your life; lack of faith on the individuals part; and
> perhaps the worst I've heard to date; "Well, you must have a demon, after
> all, we know that's where mental disturbances come from". All of these
of
> course, might have some merit depending on each individual; however, I
would
> submit that the majority, not the minority, of those with any illness
suffer
> due to physical reasons, not spiritual ones (the fall of man
> notwithstanding). In fact, due to advances in the medical field, we now
> know that not only is Manic-Depression chemical, but what DNA strand it
> probably resides on. We are then dealing with a situation no different
> than cancer or the common cold. It is therefore time it be treated as
such
> and not scorned.
>
> For more information, visit The Phoenix Within Website, a site designed
for
> bipolar christians;
> http://users.nova1.net/phoenix/index.htm
> Join our list;
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Casanova Frankenstien
<bobw...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> Did VanGough? I couldn't get past the fucking wave files, I just
>> sneaked a peak at the pics though, sans the wavs, seam pedantic to me.
>> Oh well art shouldn't be agreed upon.
>
>To be honest Im not too sure..
>
I _think_ he never did in life, I'm sure he would have if possible.
Some of his paintings, especially two paintings of the same scene show
his lillness must have been hell.
>I thik he probably tried to ..
>In the absense of a patron many artists die in poverty...
> ans see nothing of the vast wealth generated by the
>buying and selling of their works..
>
I got to see Van Gough's work in the museum in NY, I wanted so to
touch one, didn't want to be thrown out though, then I'd miss the
monet's and the rembrants. Abstract Expressionism rules :)
>I think your scepticism misplaced..
>
>they have only posted to art and depression groups...
>
>the parent website has I philosophy Im fairly sure you might endorse
I love art, The scream by munch is one of my favs......
bobwhelan
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2001 01:36:27 +0100, "bobwhelan"
> <bobw...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >> Did VanGough? I couldn't get past the fucking wave files, I just
> >> sneaked a peak at the pics though, sans the wavs, seam pedantic to me.
> >> Oh well art shouldn't be agreed upon.
> >
> >To be honest Im not too sure..
> >
> I _think_ he never did in life, I'm sure he would have if possible.
> Some of his paintings, especially two paintings of the same scene show
> his lillness must have been hell.
>
> >I thik he probably tried to ..
> >In the absense of a patron many artists die in poverty...
> > ans see nothing of the vast wealth generated by the
> >buying and selling of their works..
> >
> I got to see Van Gough's work in the museum in NY, I wanted so to
> touch one, didn't want to be thrown out though, then I'd miss the
> monet's and the rembrants. Abstract Expressionism rules :)
I was lucky enough to see loads of his stuff in Amsterdam..
His pottery seemed prety lousy though.. :>)
>
>
> >I think your scepticism misplaced..
> >
> >they have only posted to art and depression groups...
> >
> >the parent website has I philosophy Im fairly sure you might endorse
>
> I love art, The scream by munch is one of my favs......
>
>
How strange ..mine too
Casanova Frankenstien
Hehehe we must be very bored tonight, nothing to do here tell ten my
time. I have a friend Alan Olivera from Mississippi, he used to work
at MSH (mississippi State Hospital, for the mentally ill). He was
fired a few years ago, no reasons have been brought forth and I am
loathe to pry.....anyway.
He taught art to some of the ill people, I have known him since High
School and he taught me an appreciation for art works. Abstract
Expressionism is my favorite. I'm not to into modern art unless it
really does make you think, or is just very contraversial.....the very
bane of the modern artist :-)
bobwhelan
My artist friend who was so tragically taken was going to do Art therapy..
she loved abstract impressionism .
Her field was Installational art.
Terminus Est
AND I'm being polite.
bobwhelan
"Terminus Est" <heres...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Ummm... that art's not very good.
>
> AND I'm being polite.
>
>
but I though "Panic" and "Dysphoric Mania " in the Phoenix II gallery were
rather good.
what do you think of the concept?
regards,
Bob
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Terminus Est
If some entity like The Museum of Outsider Art in Baltimore chose to host
such a site, that would be the ideal situation.
BTW, fine collections of the art of "mental patients" are not all that
rare... besides the afore-mentioned museum, numerous collections exist
world-wide. Jean Dubuffet curated and sponsored a number of them as "Art
Brut".
In fact, I've seen an interesting collection of art by migraine sufferers.
"bobwhelan" <bobw...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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bobwhelan
> It looks like a vanity project.
Many artists are extremely narcissistic and vain Ive found..
>
> If some entity like The Museum of Outsider Art in Baltimore chose to host
> such a site, that would be the ideal situation.
>
> BTW, fine collections of the art of "mental patients" are not all that
> rare... besides the afore-mentioned museum, numerous collections exist
> world-wide. Jean Dubuffet curated and sponsored a number of them as "Art
> Brut".
Thanks thats really interesting I hadnt heard of "Art Brut"
Have you any urls?
Its not the the "mental patientness" that I find fascinating but the attemtp
to express
and portray extreme states of mental distress and in so doing take a step
towards
resolving them or at least show people they are not alone.
as in The Scream of course as Robert mentioned
>
> In fact, I've seen an interesting collection of art by migraine sufferers.
theirs often a raised and unusual level of awareness before the attack..
Its a quite mysterious complaint ... hellishly debillitating..
regards,
Bob
Terminus Est
for or sponsored by the artist.
It doesn't mean vain or narcissistic (a bit of psycho-babble bandied about
far too much, with no real knowledge of what it means, and usually as a
perjorative, much as you used it).
BTW, Munch painted many other fine paintings... viewing "The Scream" as some
kind of psycho-narrative is naive, IMHO.
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Casanova Frankenstien
<bobw...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> In fact, I've seen an interesting collection of art by migraine sufferers.
>theirs often a raised and unusual level of awareness before the attack..
>Its a quite mysterious complaint ... hellishly debillitating..
>
>regards,
>
>Bob
My dad is a migraine sufferer, he used to do gun engraving with his
very own patterns, he's quite artistic, later in life his hand started
to shake so he can't practice that art anymore.
bobwhelan
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2001 19:32:39 +0100, "bobwhelan"
> <bobw...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> In fact, I've seen an interesting collection of art by migraine
sufferers.
> >theirs often a raised and unusual level of awareness before the attack..
> >Its a quite mysterious complaint ... hellishly debillitating..
> >
> >regards,
> >
> >Bob
>
> My dad is a migraine sufferer, he used to do gun engraving with his
> very own patterns, he's quite artistic, later in life his hand started
> to shake so he can't practice that art anymore.
>
>
if your intimate with someone with its so frustrating because it seems their
is so little you can do..
Casanova Frankenstien
<bobw...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>"Casanova Frankenstien" <robertpo*****@interconnect.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2001 19:32:39 +0100, "bobwhelan"
>> <bobw...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> My dad is a migraine sufferer, he used to do gun engraving with his
>> very own patterns, he's quite artistic, later in life his hand started
>> to shake so he can't practice that art anymore.
>>
>>
>Thats awful thats hes lost that..
>
>if your intimate with someone with its so frustrating because it seems their
>is so little you can do..
I had a Gerber pocket knife he engraved, I lost it in the
hospitalization, I remember putting it somewhere cause when I drove
down to the hospital I knew it wouldn't be allowed. He had done one
for my Mom that I keep in my safe.
bobwhelan
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 00:23:45 +0100, "bobwhelan"
> <bobw...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >"Casanova Frankenstien" <robertpo*****@interconnect.net> wrote in message
> >news:25a0otcjb71kt3e8f...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 19 Aug 2001 19:32:39 +0100, "bobwhelan"
> >> <bobw...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >> My dad is a migraine sufferer, he used to do gun engraving with his
> >> very own patterns, he's quite artistic, later in life his hand started
> >> to shake so he can't practice that art anymore.
> >>
> >>
> >Thats awful thats hes lost that..
> >
> >if your intimate with someone with its so frustrating because it seems
their
> >is so little you can do..
>
> I had a Gerber pocket knife he engraved, I lost it in the
> hospitalization, I remember putting it somewhere cause when I drove
> down to the hospital I knew it wouldn't be allowed. He had done one
> for my Mom that I keep in my safe.
If you remember putting it somewhere ..hoopefully it may well turn up..
a talented man then..
>
Bob