The snarling pitbulls of asdf
Tracy Barber
<barco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The snarling pitbulls of asdf sink their teeth into their quarry and
>won't let go. It's a shame that they don't realise that they're
>fighting over a rubber bone.
Yup. Let loose the "mob"s of War! Sheesh... I was waiting from them
to break out the stones.
Tracy Barber
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"Aware1" <pwo...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3e49c951....@news.cis.dfn.de...
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:41:58 +0000, "|||| || | ||||| ||||||||"
> following:
>
> >The snarling pitbulls of asdf sink their teeth into their quarry and
> >won't let go. It's a shame that they don't realise that they're
> >fighting over a rubber bone.
>
>
> Aawa
> --
it may be a bone , but i assure you , it's not rubber ,
" Thingie wave "
Courage
"Them?" You don't seem to have noticed that rock in your hand.
erminia
|||||||| at barco...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/10/03 12:49 PM:
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:49:49 -0500, "Platypus Rex"
> <duck...@ovoviviparous.mammals.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry, Michael and Aawa, but vague statements like this suck.
>> They remind me of the unspecific angry/hurt comments, followed by
>> zillions of "Is this about me?" posts, which often happen here.
>
> Yeah I'm sorry about that, that wasn't really fair in retrospect. It's
> not really directed at anyone in particular, It's more a statement of
> observation (or as how I see it if you like). It's about how people
> cannot, nor will they, walk away from something that is at the end of
> the day really quite pointless (and before anyone wants to jump in -
> yes, I have done the same). Time and time again we see flair-ups over
> something or other, but more usually it's nothing. People have their
> delicate egos injured and so they come out of their corner with guns
> a-blazing, shooting up the neighbourhood with excessive force, threats
> and petty bitching whilst trying to score a point over their enemy.
> It's sad really, sad and a waste of effort and energy. It's like I
> said, they're fighting over a rubber bone.
>
>> Which ones are the pitbulls? Everyone here?
>>
>> If not, who? Is RJ a pitbull?
>>
>> Are those who attacked RJ pitbulls?
>>
>> Are those who tried to defend RJ from those attacks pitbulls? Are those
>> who defended by attacking, and thus attacked the folks that attacked RJ,
>> pitbulls?
>>
>> Are the ones who attacked the people who defended RJ pitbulls? Or just
>> the ones who attacked the people who attacked the people who attacked
>> RJ?
>
> I'm sorry PR, but i genuinely haven't got a clue what you're talking
> about. I didn't realise that RJ (Hi RJ if you're reading this) was
> being targeted, or that she had a need to defend herself over
> anything.
>
>> Are Minx, RGB and Courage pitbulls for giving their negative opinions on
>> 12-step programs? Is Tracy a pitbull for dismissing them? Are KTrout
>> and I pitbulls for adding dismissive comments about part of Tracy's
>> argument?
>
> Yet again I haven't been following these specific threads (I've
> killfiled so many threads and posters recently). All I see is the
> disjecta membra scattered around the place, people who are pissed and
> even crashing because they are trying to argue with stupidity. I
> really have no idea why people feel the need to get so wrapped in what
> is at the end of the day an alternate reality that is the Internet.
>
>
Micheal? i do soooooooo wish you would write more here on ASD/F.
especially when you've expressed exactly what i'd like to say.
and how are you, otherwise?
Erminia
Tracy Barber
<duck...@ovoviviparous.mammals.org> wrote:
>
>Aware1 coughed this up:
>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:41:58 +0000, "|||| || | ||||| ||||||||"
>> <barco...@yahoo.com> dented & constricted & squeezed out the
>> following:
>>>
>>> The snarling pitbulls of asdf sink their teeth into their quarry and
>>> won't let go. It's a shame that they don't realise that they're
>>> fighting over a rubber bone.
>>
>> No fucking kidding!
>
>
>I'm sorry, Michael and Aawa, but vague statements like this suck.
>They remind me of the unspecific angry/hurt comments, followed by
>zillions of "Is this about me?" posts, which often happen here.
>
>Which ones are the pitbulls? Everyone here?
>
>If not, who? Is RJ a pitbull?
>
>Are those who attacked RJ pitbulls?
>
>Are those who tried to defend RJ from those attacks pitbulls? Are those
>who defended by attacking, and thus attacked the folks that attacked RJ,
>pitbulls?
>
>Are the ones who attacked the people who defended RJ pitbulls? Or just
>the ones who attacked the people who attacked the people who attacked
>RJ?
>
>Are Minx, RGB and Courage pitbulls for giving their negative opinions on
>12-step programs? Is Tracy a pitbull for dismissing them? Are KTrout
>and I pitbulls for adding dismissive comments about part of Tracy's
>argument?
>
>Please advise.
PR - We've all been pitbulls. There are no virgins here. :^)
Tracy Barber
Tracy Barber
>In article <btnf4vss95qvvv32u...@4ax.com>,
> "|||| || | ||||| ||||||||" <barco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I really have no idea why people feel the need to get so wrapped in
>> what is at the end of the day an alternate reality that is the
>> Internet.
>
>When it encroaches on my real life, I take exception.
Uh, yeah... !
Tracy Barber
Tracy Barber
>Thank you. Then it's not just my perception.
Of what?
Tracy Barber
erminia
wrote on 2/10/03 2:26 PM:
> In article <BA6D5A45.47581%ermi...@earthlink.net>,
> erminia <ermi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> in article btnf4vss95qvvv32u...@4ax.com, |||| || | |||||
>> |||||||| at barco...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/10/03 12:49 PM:
>>
>> Micheal? i do soooooooo wish you would write more here on ASD/F.
>>
>> especially when you've expressed exactly what i'd like to say.
>
> Egads. You're one of 'em, Erminia.
ahem.
i prefer to think of myself as an Irish Soft-Coated Wheaten Terrier in human
form.
:D
(lordy, just because i'm not taken in by some of the poor-me-pity-me's
around here!)
Erminia
Tracy Barber
wrote:
Hmmm... if I remember correctly, I was getting "stoned". But that's
over now, and it you can't let it go, so be it!
Tracy Barber
erminia
|||||||| at barco...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/10/03 3:07 PM:
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:57:15 GMT, erminia <ermi...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Micheal? i do soooooooo wish you would write more here on ASD/F.
>
> I would if it wasn't for a sore arse (this chair is a killer :)
buy a proper chair. or put a cushion on this one. (nononono! NOT Barney as
a cushion!!)
>> and how are you, otherwise?
>
> I'm okay I think thanks Ermina. How are things down on the farm, and
> more importantly, have you bought any new lippy recently? ;)
>
>
things are cold and wet and yucky down here. eagerly awaiting Spring.
ahhhhhhhh. lippy! :) i have indeed bought new lippy. three new lippys,
as a matter of fact. :) a beeyoootiful saturated coral one by Givenchy.
gawd, it's sexy. (being discontinued? hope not!!!) and two of a good
rosey-plummy-wineywithjustalittleblueinit. a good daytime lippy, in other
words. (not too pinky, which i dread.)
Sephora is evil. <vbwickedg>
am contemplating a new perfume purchase. Arpege? Parfums Gres have a new
one out. must try it soon.
;)
Erminia
Tracy Barber
<barco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:14:46 GMT, Courage <coura...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Them?" You don't seem to have noticed that rock in your hand.
>
>Point taken.
What point?
Tracy Barber
Tracy Barber
wrote:
>"|||| || | ||||| ||||||||" <barco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:14:46 GMT, Courage <coura...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"Them?" You don't seem to have noticed that rock in your hand.
>>
>>Point taken.
>
>Aw, I wasn't pitching at you. True that there are no angels of light
>radiating around in here, except maybe RJ. But my post was because
>Tracy went for me with a bucket of personal attacks because he's upset
>by the opinion that 12-step groups are religious. He's still
>maundering on about it in this thread and complaining as though I was
>somehow being unfair to him.
Were you born an ass or do you truly practice? Apparently, your
resentment over something hasn't abated. Please get a life, will ya?
A bucket of personal attacks. You'd know it if I came after ya with a
bucket of anything. To date, I asked one question which still hasn't
been answered.
I have since attempted to move on, but you insist on putting me in the
spotlight for further escapades.
Oh well, some are sicker than others.
Tracy Barber
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"Heather" <sp...@menot.com> wrote in message
news:U%T1a.40531$7_.1...@news1.mts.net...
> In article <BA6D7055.47666%ermi...@earthlink.net>,
> erminia <ermi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > (lordy, just because i'm not taken in by some of the poor-me-pity-me's
> > around here!)
>
> provocation. So have I but I'm not jumping on any me-too bandwagon here.
>
> I think I'll go try on my party dress now.
>
> Heather
i'm glad i've never started on anyone first
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> In article <3e48091e...@news-server.nycap.rr.com>,
the point in the rock
Tracy Barber
>On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:35:38 -0600, Heather <sp...@menot.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <3e48091e...@news-server.nycap.rr.com>,
>>:-X
>
>:-)
8^P
Tracy Barber
Tracy Barber
>In article <3e48096c...@news-server.nycap.rr.com>,
> Stam...@adirondack-pc.com (Tracy Barber) wrote:
>
>> Were you born an ass or do you truly practice? Apparently, your
>> resentment over something hasn't abated. Please get a life, will ya?
>
>PKB
EMS
>> A bucket of personal attacks. You'd know it if I came after ya with a
>> bucket of anything. To date, I asked one question which still hasn't
>> been answered.
>
>Baloney.
Ham.
>> Oh well, some are sicker than others.
>
>Some are in complete denial (meaning you).
Ahhhh, here we go. Denial about what, oh great one? Please fill us
in with words of wit, 'K?
[ As the mob congregates, we watch in awe of the wondrous power
therein... ]
Tracy Barber
Tracy Barber
>On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:51:39 GMT, Stam...@adirondack-pc.com (Tracy
>Barber) wrote:
>
>>
>>[ As the mob congregates, we watch in awe of the wondrous power
>>therein... ]
>
>Tracy, you've told me that you consider your fights here as
>recreational and fun.
Except for the scenario that Heather brought up. When it hits close
to home, then I defend.
Other than that, you are correct.
>Don't hurt yourself climbing off that high horse.
Aw, come on, it's no higher than many others that frequent this joint.
Tracy Barber
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> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:58:02 +0000, "|||| || | ||||| ||||||||"> >On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:19:05 GMT, erminia <ermi...@earthlink.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>buy a proper chair. or put a cushion on this one. (nononono! NOT
Barney as
> >>a cushion!!)
> >
>
> *flashing on Sopranos episode with Christafuh & the 'late' Cosette*
>
> Aawa (does that come in a can, like, 'Yap-no-mo'?')
i miss Angela and Meadow when i feel real naughty
> --
Tracy Barber
>In article <3e480ffe...@news-server.nycap.rr.com>,
> Stam...@adirondack-pc.com (Tracy Barber) wrote:
>
>> Ahhhh, here we go. Denial about what, oh great one? Please fill us
>> in with words of wit, 'K?
>
>How come I don't get called the great Vizier like everyone else! *pout*
'Cause you already have another title. Since we're talking now, I'll
be good.
Tracy Barber
Tracy Barber
>In article <3e481eda...@news-server.nycap.rr.com>,
> Stam...@adirondack-pc.com (Tracy Barber) wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:52:14 -0600, Heather <sp...@menot.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <3e480ffe...@news-server.nycap.rr.com>,
>> > Stam...@adirondack-pc.com (Tracy Barber) wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ahhhh, here we go. Denial about what, oh great one? Please fill us
>> >> in with words of wit, 'K?
>> >
>> >How come I don't get called the great Vizier like everyone else! *pout*
>>
>> 'Cause you already have another title. Since we're talking now, I'll
>> be good.
>
>OK. I promise not to offer you a cookie reward.
And I won't distribute any heavy metals to your house, 'K?
Tracy Barber
Tracy Barber
>On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:02:36 -0600, Heather <sp...@menot.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <hh7g4vs9k3ravo5f3...@4ax.com>,
>> phil...@mindspring.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:53:51 -0600, Heather <sp...@menot.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >In article <fj3g4v8c2t29m5vg2...@4ax.com>,
>>> > phil...@mindspring.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:34:47 -0600, Heather <sp...@menot.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >In article <BA6D7055.47666%ermi...@earthlink.net>,
>>> >> > erminia <ermi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> (lordy, just because i'm not taken in by some of the poor-me-pity-me's
>>> >> >> around here!)
>>> >> >
>>> >> >No, because you've launched plenty of attacks of your own with no
>>> >> >provocation. So have I but I'm not jumping on any me-too bandwagon here.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I think I'll go try on my party dress now.
>>> >>
>>> >> Don't forget, we're meeting this afternoon to coordinate our
>>> >> hair-ribbons.
>>> >
>>> >Oh I almost forgot! Thank you! <air kisses>
>>>
>>> I'd hug you, but my nails are wet.
>>
>>*giggle*
>
>It's hard work keeping this going, with no experience to draw on!
Keep at it, you'll find some somewhere.
Tracy Barber
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> In article <v4g3th2...@corp.supernews.com>, "%" <surfs@uniserve>
then be nice , easter is just around the bend , and there will be no Laura
Secords for you
Rebecca Jo
> I'm sorry PR, but i genuinely haven't got a clue what you're talking
> about. I didn't realise that RJ (Hi RJ if you're reading this) was
> being targeted, or that she had a need to defend herself over
> anything.
Hi! :-D
Rj
Rebecca Jo
> Hello you :)
Howdy :)
> Are you okay?
Yes. I had a bad Friday but everything went uphill from there. :) I'm marvy
as can be now. Thank you for asking.
Rj
erminia
|||||||| at barco...@yahoo.com wrote on 2/10/03 3:58 PM:
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:19:05 GMT, erminia <ermi...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> buy a proper chair. or put a cushion on this one. (nononono! NOT Barney as
>> a cushion!!)
>
> A sort of yappee cushion?
>
>>> I'm okay I think thanks Ermina. How are things down on the farm, and
>>> more importantly, have you bought any new lippy recently? ;)
>
>> ahhhhhhhh. lippy! :) i have indeed bought new lippy. three new lippys,
>> as a matter of fact. :) a beeyoootiful saturated coral one by Givenchy.
>> gawd, it's sexy. (being discontinued? hope not!!!) and two of a good
>> rosey-plummy-wineywithjustalittleblueinit. a good daytime lippy, in other
>> words. (not too pinky, which i dread.)
>
> Years ago I had a friend who had really stunning lips, she would wear
> coral lippy. I was just mesmerised by her appearance. I adore coral
> lippy.
>
>> Sephora is evil. <vbwickedg>
>>
>> am contemplating a new perfume purchase. Arpege? Parfums Gres have a new
>> one out. must try it soon.
>
> You're such a girlie at times :)
>
> Michael (getting in touch with his feminine side)
>
want some lippy? <VBG>
seriously, though -- yeah, it surprises me how "girlie" i can be sometimes.
(s)mother refused to indulge my "girlie" impulses way back when, only the
tomboy ones. climbing trees and riding bikes was encouraged. playing house
was not. so, i compromised. built doll houses with brother's building
blocks and lincoln logs and whatever else i could find. drew pictures of
the clothes i would have when i grew up. made clothes for the few dolls i
was allowed. that was childhood.
yes, i am making up for lost time. :)
am waiting for a catalog order of cowboy boots and Levi 501s to arrive. am
also awaiting an order of really lux lingerie. well, lux by my standards.
i'll wear lipstick and mascara and perfume, but not nail polish, 'cause it
just comes off as soon as i use my hands to do _anything_.
maybe it's best this way. for most of my classmates, learning how to change
a tire was a very big deal, analogous to visiting another planet. for me,
it was regular life.
(it'll be a snazz-o outfit when i get it all together, doncha think? <:^| )
Erminia
erminia
her...@whereverlifeleads.com wrote on 2/10/03 9:33 PM:
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:17:27 -0500, phil...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> ->I'm not sure why I'm bothering with this, but here goes: Heather and I
> ->were talking about an incident that happened here several months ago
> ->in which another member of the group characterized both of us as
> ->having been the kind of ultra-popular, rich little girls who had a
> ->closet full of pretty party dresses and lorded it over the less
> ->fortunate. This characterization could not have been further from the
> ->truth, for either of us.
> ->
> ->What I longed for in those long-ago days was simply to be unnoticed;
> ->being popular was beyond my wildest imaginings. My childhood was far
> ->worse than I've described here.
> ->
> ->I have my own happiness. It doesn't involve makeup or pretty dresses
> ->or perfume, but that's my choice. I'm more of a blue-jeans and
> ->work-shirt type of woman. If ultra-femininity makes someone else
> ->happy, I certainly don't begrudge them their choices, as I would hope
> ->they don't begrudge me my choices.
> ->
> ->If your dislike of me goes beyond this one thread, by all means tell
> ->me how you feel.
>
> I was totally wrong. My apologies.
>
> I thought you two were making fun of Erminia.
um. they _are_ making fun of me. because a few months ago i dared to point
to them that they are behaving NOW as those nasty little girls did THEN.
and they don't NOW have the excuse of being small children who really don't
know any better.
it's always interesting to see what people think was missing from their
childhood that's so important they need to acquire it in adulthood.
now, if you'll excuse me, i have a cashmere sweater that needs attention.
> I had a closet full of pretty dresses. I wasn't rich or popular, I
> was my mother's abusable, wildly unpopular dress-up doll. Been
> wearing girl-jock clothes ever since 'cause they're _me_. I
> understand, Philippa.
>
> I'm drunk but I'm not inhuman. Sorry.
>
> --
> bow down before the one you serve
> you're gonna get what you deserve
Courage
>um. they _are_ making fun of me. because a few months ago i dared to point
>to them that they are behaving NOW as those nasty little girls did THEN.
>and they don't NOW have the excuse of being small children who really don't
>know any better.
I don't think that's it. Insults that miss the target so completely as
that one did become permanent jokes.
Tracy Barber
>On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:15:51 -0600, Heather <sp...@menot.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <k78g4vci2tojvmeo6...@4ax.com>,
>> phil...@mindspring.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:04:05 -0600, Heather <sp...@menot.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >P.S. Better return to sending email via Yahoo. Grrr.
>>>
>>> A pox on your ISP.
>>
>>Hexes and curses too.
>
>And a plague of fleas in their private parts.
Correctly, that would be "May the fleas of a 1000 camels infest your
armpits". Please use correct terminology.
Tracy Barber
Tracy Barber
>On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:17:10 -0600, Heather <sp...@menot.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <9iag4vceilgrdpv0e...@4ax.com>,
>> "|||| || | ||||| ||||||||" <barco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:48:52 -0500, phil...@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:53:51 -0600, Heather <sp...@menot.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>In article <fj3g4v8c2t29m5vg2...@4ax.com>,
>>> >> phil...@mindspring.com wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:34:47 -0600, Heather <sp...@menot.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> >In article <BA6D7055.47666%ermi...@earthlink.net>,
>>> >>> > erminia <ermi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >> (lordy, just because i'm not taken in by some of the poor-me-pity-me's
>>> >>> >> around here!)
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >No, because you've launched plenty of attacks of your own with no
>>> >>> >provocation. So have I but I'm not jumping on any me-too bandwagon here.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >I think I'll go try on my party dress now.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Don't forget, we're meeting this afternoon to coordinate our
>>> >>> hair-ribbons.
>>> >>
>>> >>Oh I almost forgot! Thank you! <air kisses>
>>> >
>>> >I'd hug you, but my nails are wet.
>>>
>>> You two are mad.
>>
>>Be careful or I'll plant some of this coral lippy on you. <eg>
>
><snorts coffee on monitor>
How was the buzz?
Tracy Barber
Tracy Barber
>On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 01:23:05 GMT,
>her...@whereverlifeleads.com(BoingBoingBoing!) wrote:
>
>>
>>->This would make more sense if you knew what you were talking about,
>>->Claudia.
>>
>>Don't even bother. I'm full of alcohol and no-holds-barred. I might
>>tell you what I really think of you and I don't believe you are ready
>>for it.
>
>Go ahead, if it will make you feel better.
>
>>->>As for me, I'll have another beer. I'm a mean-ass drunk poor bitch
>>->>with nothing to lose and I don't give a fuck.
>>->
>>->Go ahead, throw your responsibility away with both hands.
>>
>>Right out this 12th floor window, baby, 'cause it's my fucking
>>responsibility to throw away.
>>
>>Quit looking at other people and do something about yourself.
>
>Jesus, Claudia, what did I do to you? I thought we were on good terms.
Hmmm...
Tracy Barber
Courage
Weren't you espousing the wisdom of staying the fuck out of other
people's arguments this very morning?
Tracy Barber
wrote:
Pointing out where others do the same thing... So what the fuck are
you doing here?
Tracy Barber
Tracy Barber
her...@whereverlifeleads.com(BoingBoingBoing!) wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 03:06:24 GMT, Courage <coura...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>->Stam...@adirondack-pc.com (Tracy Barber) wrote:
>->
>->>On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:24:02 -0500, phil...@mindspring.com wrote:
>->
>->>>Jesus, Claudia, what did I do to you? I thought we were on good terms.
>->>
>->>Hmmm...
>->
>->Weren't you espousing the wisdom of staying the fuck out of other
>->people's arguments this very morning?
>
>Look elsewhere, there's no argument here anymore.
Feeling better? Get some sleep...
Tracy Barber
el coyote viejo
<snip>
> For me... attention, I suppose. Being taken seriously and having
> people act like I matter. Someone being aware of what's going on with
> me, and seeing enough to try to help. Love that isn't conditioned on
> perfection or appearance. Love that won't be taken away if I
> displease. Peace.
>
> Nina
>
...and may you have them all - and more if you wish. :)
--
-=ecv=-
erminia
her...@whereverlifeleads.com wrote on 2/10/03 9:51 PM:
> On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:44:16 GMT, erminia <ermi...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> ->um. they _are_ making fun of me. because a few months ago i dared to point
> ->to them that they are behaving NOW as those nasty little girls did THEN.
> ->and they don't NOW have the excuse of being small children who really don't
> ->know any better.
>
> I'm too fucked-up to tell the difference. If anyone was making fun of
> you, I don't like it. I think Philippa's story is sad and sucks, too.
all the stories are just so goddamned sad. and what some people do with
their lives afterwards is even sadder. i know it's hard, but we don't have
to pick up where our own parents or guardians left off.
> ->it's always interesting to see what people think was missing from their
> ->childhood that's so important they need to acquire it in adulthood.
>
> I had every goddamn material thing I wanted in childhood, on a
> hard-working but abusive single mother's salary. Look at me now!
> Didn't mean much, eh? I would have traded the fancy toys and clothes,
> later the car keys and insurance cards, for a scrap of human affection
> and respect.
<sigh>
i didn't get either one from my mother. but i know what you mean.
hey? are you still maybe trying to do that? trade all the stuff for
affection and respect? no, that's not what i want to say. but surely
there's a link there between having all the stuff while being told you don't
deserve what matters -- love and respect -- and not having either now. are
you still trying to throw all the stuff back at your messed-up mom?
sorry, i can't help analyzing your situation. i love jigsaw puzzles, too.
> ->now, if you'll excuse me, i have a cashmere sweater that needs attention.
>
> Matching lipstick? :)
well, um, no. it's medium gray. gray lipstick is not my style. but a
nice, deep coral does well with it. and red!
Erminia
erminia
phil...@mindspring.com at phil...@mindspring.com wrote on 2/10/03 9:58 PM:
> On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:44:16 GMT, erminia <ermi...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> You've got it wrong, but that's your prerogative.
<sigh>
no, Philippa, I've got it right.
<oh, geez>
%
"el coyote viejo" <the_ol...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:v4gskve...@corp.supernews.com...
the Dene don't wish ,
they pray to the creator
el coyote viejo
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:42:36 -0500, Nina <ninaN...@economika.net>
> wrote:
>
> ->>it's always interesting to see what people think was missing from their
> ->>childhood that's so important they need to acquire it in adulthood.
>
> Caring guidance. Concern for my potential, my future as an adult.
>
> I might be someone worthwhile today if I'd had it. Instead, I've been
> merely trying to survive, and likely always will be.
>
> --
> bow down before the one you serve
> you're gonna get what you deserve
And therein lies the conundrum. In my own situation, I can't help but
think if I could somehow alter how I view myself, as in being a person
with redeeming value, that it would be easier to change the course of my
existance.
It sounds easy. But try it.
--
-=ecv=-
el coyote viejo
--
-=ecv=-
erminia
wrote on 2/10/03 10:08 PM:
> In article <BA6DCE84.477E5%ermi...@earthlink.net>,
> erminia <ermi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> it's always interesting to see what people think was missing from their
>> childhood that's so important they need to acquire it in adulthood.
>>
>> now, if you'll excuse me, i have a cashmere sweater that needs attention.
>
> Oh, the irony.
okay, Miss Heather.
In the winter of my twelfth year to say I was inadequately dressed for te
cold would be something of an understatement. to go outside, I had a thin,
worn out "quilted" jacket with a hood that no longer fit over my head, thin
and transparent plastic boots designed for warm spring days, a nylon or
acrylic square scarf to wrap around my head, knee socks under short skirts,
unlined vynal gloves. At that time we girls still were not allowed to wear
jeans or trousers to school. That year it snowed. that year the early
morning temps never got above mid-twenties (farenheit). and it was
seven-eighths of a mile walk to school. (no, not up hill. that was next
year, at a different school.) a walk at about 7am.
i made that fucking walk every fucking day, including when i was sick
because (s)mother didn't think i should miss a day of school.
all the teachers noticed and no one, not one, said a goddamned thing to my
parents.
(yes, the rest of my family were properly dressed for winter. and spring
and summer and fall.)
all the previous winters were just as bad for me. and all the winters after
until i was in college and buying clothes at the military surplus places.
and goodwill. etc.
you BET i have cashmere sweaters now. and lambswool. and LOTS of them.
and four, count 'em FOUR, pairs of boots adeqaute for snowy winters. plus
serious shoes. have lost count of the gloves -- wool, acrylic, CASHMERE
LINED leather gloves, thinsulate lined gloves. Hats? Yeah, those, too.
long underwear, even. huge wool and cashmere and silk scarves.
winter-weight tights.
and really good coats! duffle coats, leather, long, sweeping black wool.
damn straight!
i will not ever have pneumonia again, not if i can help it.
Erminia
(warm at last.)
%
i'm telling them you said that , at the next sundance
Tracy Barber
wrote:
There ya go. A lot of us didn't have "silver spoons" as children. I
remember some times that weren't sooo great. My mom did what she
could because "Dad" was a drinker.
And yes, it is great to get nice things when we can afford them!
Tracy Barber
el coyote viejo
> "el coyote viejo" <the_ol...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:v4gtgf4...@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>% wrote:
>>
>>>"el coyote viejo" <the_ol...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:v4gskve...@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Nina wrote:
>>>>
>>>><snip>
>>>>
>>>>>For me... attention, I suppose. Being taken seriously and having
>>>>>people act like I matter. Someone being aware of what's going on with
>>>>>me, and seeing enough to try to help. Love that isn't conditioned on
>>>>>perfection or appearance. Love that won't be taken away if I
>>>>>displease. Peace.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nina
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>...and may you have them all - and more if you wish. :)
>>>>--
>>>>-=ecv=-
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>the Dene don't wish ,
>>>they pray to the creator
>>>
>>>
>>
>>a matter of semantics, I suppose, Bill.
>>
>>--
>>-=ecv=-
>>
>
>
>
> i'm telling them you said that , at the next sundance
>
>
--
-=ecv=-
erminia
phil...@mindspring.com at phil...@mindspring.com wrote on 2/10/03 10:53
PM:
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:42:36 -0500, Nina <ninaN...@economika.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:44:16 GMT, erminia <ermi...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> it's always interesting to see what people think was missing from their
>>> childhood that's so important they need to acquire it in adulthood.
>>
>> Taking it out of the context of whatever it is that people are arguing
>> about at the moment... I just thought this was a really interesting
>> thought.
>>
>> My sister, who in most ways is extremely fucked up, used to say, "it's
>> never too late to have a happy childhood", and I always liked that.
>>
>> But I think that the truth of the matter is that in a lot of ways, we
>> are seeking the things that we lacked... or that we thought we lacked,
>> which is not always the same thing.
>>
>> Some of those things are material, most not.
>>
>> For me... attention, I suppose. Being taken seriously and having
>> people act like I matter. Someone being aware of what's going on with
>> me, and seeing enough to try to help. Love that isn't conditioned on
>> perfection or appearance. Love that won't be taken away if I
>> displease. Peace.
>
> You know, Claudia is right about my intent, but she saw it from the
> wrong angle.
>
> I do feel threatened by erminia and her party-dress analogy. When I
> was in junior high, it was a pretty little girl with a closet full of
> pretty dresses who made my life a living hell. She harassed me
> verbally, making up the taunts and cruel nicknames that haunted me on
> into high school. One day in the hall, she walked up to me, tore four
> strips of skin off the back of my hand with her pretty fingernails,
> and told me I was too ugly to live.
>
> My mother was a "girly" woman too, and she told me the same thing, in
> different and less violent but no less damaging ways.
>
> None of which has fuck-all to do with erminia, really. But when she
> accused me of wanting to be one of those girls, it cut, and it cut
> deeply, and I guess I haven't yet let it go.
>
> It took me 20 years to accept the truth that I would always be too
> tall, always have feet and hands too big to be considered feminine,
> never be pretty no matter how many clothes or shoes I bought, or how
> much makeup or jewelry I wore. It took me longer than that to reach
> the point where I can live with my looks, and accept that my husband
> finds me beautiful even though I'm no conventional beauty by the
> farthest stretch of the imagination.
>
> I don't intend to take 20 years to let this go.
yeah, okay. i've read this.
i know _all_ about "pretty" little girls who like to make other little
girls' lives hell.
but i didn't internalize their values. i made a concious decision to not
become like them. (yeah, at the tender age of ten, after reading a bio of a
scary person who hadn't made such a decision.)
you and your ASD/F pals are doing to others what was done to you. you have
become the monster you thought you were fighting, just like Nietzsche
warned.
Erminia
%
obviously you don't know my posistion in the band
erminia
phil...@mindspring.com at phil...@mindspring.com wrote on 2/11/03 12:43
AM:
> On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 04:33:25 GMT, erminia <ermi...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> you and your ASD/F pals are doing to others what was done to you. you have
>> become the monster you thought you were fighting, just like Nietzsche
>> warned.
>
> Thanks for helping me to feel like shit, erminina.
You're welcome!
<cheery wave>
Erminia
Clark
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>PR wrote inter alia:
>
>>But, since you and I have
>>both done this, we both know that when you're *in* the situation,
>>rather than observing -- when you feel like you're defending yourself,
>>or defending some position that matters to you -- it's damned hard to
>>let go. And if it feels important enough to fight about, having other
>>people suggest that it *isn't* probably won't go over well unless it's
>>done very, very diplomatically; and doing otherwise runs the risk of
>>adding fuel to the fire, IMHO.
>
>I don't get why people do this-- tell other people to drop it, or tell them how
>to react in any way. Does it *ever* help? Don't they know how they feel when
>someone else does it to them?
>
>One of the things that drives me crazy on some groups-- and I'm honestly not
>thinking of anybody in asd/f now-- is when people start saying a discussion
>should be over while voicing their own opinion. This is just rife on a certain
>professional list I belong to. People give a long-winded defense of their own
>position and then say, "This discussion is off-topic/stupid/whatever and we
>need to end it now." WTF?
I have learned to take the tactic that if it is a discussion that
effects me directly i will say my peace on it, maybe even banter a
little to the point where i think the subject is worn out and not
going anywhere, then i say my final peace and offer my opponent the
chance to have the last word and walk away. seldom lasts more than
three of four posts. it is forgotten soon enough anyway.
Bill
BGumm
sisters (I know I know it ain't all it is cracked up to be).
I was adopted and I have siblings that are out here and my situation is such
that I will probably never ever see them. The ones I did find didn't want
anything to do with me. I wasn't rich enough for the one and the other one I
never could figure out why she didn't want some kind of relationship. I just
figured I wasn't good enough. I never have been good enough for anyone.
I wanted "family".
Do I have that now? In some respects yes and in some no, not the way I want
it. I strive for it all the time. I try to instill it in my own children but
am falling short as my Christmas holiday showed me. <sigh>
I wanted to feel surrounded by family and love and some forms of attention (not
being center stage at all times though).
I just wanted "normalcy" too.
Don't have that by a long shot either and who the hell does????? Don't know
anyone that does and can't live that "Leave It to Beaver" life either.
Still I search for something, crave something that was entirely missing from my
childhood.
Safety
Security......a zillion other words...
things I will hold briefly and hardly recognize......
Becky
"I have seen the sea when it is stormy and wild;
when it is quiet and serene; when it is dark and
moody. And in all its moods, I see myself."
-Martin Buxbaum
el coyote viejo
would your position be, oh Walking Eagle? Drummer? Guitar (lead or
rhythm)? Do you really want to talk sundance?
--
-=ecv=-
Tracy Barber
Now that would be something. % could talk about his "war wounds"
then. :^)
Tracy Barber