Anyone Remember Rich Little, Impressionist?
Luna
But anyway. His brother Fred Little also did impressions in a much
smaller world. No Johnny Carson for Fred. Fred Little worked at the
Royal Ottawa Hospital which was essentially a loony bin for children
and adolescents, and I met him there back in the day. The 70's. Oh
god, that was a loooong time ago.
I had been admitted after a failed suicide attempt at the age of 13.
One day this girl, Susan and I decided to escape from the locked ward.
We did it! So easy too, gum on the latch and whisperfast out the door
on visiting day. Visiting day was perfect because - 1. No one would
be visiting us and 2. the door was constantly opening and closing as
people came and went.
We ran across the grounds laughing and gasping, sort of in shock but
really excited. We headed for the highway, thumbs at attention
(priapic thumbs, hah!). My most vivid memory of that escape attempt
was the face of Fred Little, florid and freaking out, as he whizzed by
us on the other side of the highway. No U Turns available on the
Highway, he had to find exit, re enter...etc.
We were picked up by some car salesman on his way home from work sans
clue within minutes and they didn't catch us for five days. We went
to Montreal, had some pretty traumatic adventures, "turned ourselves
in" when we were done...
So sometimes I wonder about Fred Little, I bet he still remembers us.
He was on duty that night and he told us later, he almost lost his job
because of us. We were in the paper and everything! He still did
impressions for me though; I think he liked me, in spite of it all.
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"Neurosis is no excuse for bad manners."
Sigmund Freud
minxvox
all the freaking time.
thank you and good night.
your fan,
minx
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"Luna" <jean_c...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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i mean it's a great story and i remember Rich well ,
i like his Flip Wilson of Geraldine ,
and i always thought he nailed Jack Nicholson ,
but what brough on this , " spill a load on adsf ? "
minxvox
% wrote:
>>and just where the fk did that come from ?
>>
> i mean it's a great story and i remember Rich well ,
> i like his Flip Wilson of Geraldine ,
> and i always thought he nailed Jack Nicholson ,
> but what brough on this , " spill a load on adsf ? "
what, luna's not allowed to pull a minx once in awhile? don't be such a
tight ass, to snag a term from naomi's post.
Luna
<snip>
>>>
>>> and just where the fk did that come from ?
>> i mean it's a great story and i remember Rich well ,
>> i like his Flip Wilson of Geraldine ,
>> and i always thought he nailed Jack Nicholson ,
>> but what brough on this , " spill a load on adsf ? "
You really want to know? I'll tell you.
One of my sisters told me today that she had come from a meeting with
the school psychologists and they told her that they felt Ritalin
would be a good idea for her son. This launched into a bit of a
reflection on my part of the twisted fucking system and how much I
hate it and in particular many of the shrinks that populate it. I did
some reading up on the side effects of Ritalin...and also knowing this
kid pretty well and thinking to myself - if he needs Ritalin then just
fuck it, let's give all children a lobotomy - it'll make it easier at
recess, eh?
I was going to share some therapist horror stories, because I'm
actually really pissed off at the moment Then I thought..well, that
wouldn't be too cool here, talking about how much I despise therapists
and the "system" in general.
So instead I blew off steam with an institutional anecdote. You wanna
piece of me?
jean
Luna
I don't deserve the dirt your stories walk in.
But thank you! (whisperfast? wtf??)
jean
minxvox
Luna wrote:
> minxvox wrote:
>
>>>You should write many, many stories for us all the time.
>>>
>>>all the freaking time.
>>>
>>>thank you and good night.
>>>
>>>your fan,
>>>
>>>minx
>>>
>
> I don't deserve the dirt your stories walk in.
BZZT! you're fucking wrongass wrong. don't make me come over there.
> But thank you! (whisperfast? wtf??)
my kinda mooshedword baby!
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"minxvox" <min...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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fk off minx or you'll get the total lashing of my rath you smart ass fk
did i say who's allowed to do what ? ,
did i say Luna's not allowed to do anything ?
just get the fk off my ass ya stunned tit ,
i've got a low tollerance for asses let alone their holes
minxvox
% wrote:
> "minxvox" <min...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:3EB83CB4...@sbcglobal.net...
>
>>
>>% wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>and just where the fk did that come from ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>i mean it's a great story and i remember Rich well ,
>>>i like his Flip Wilson of Geraldine ,
>>>and i always thought he nailed Jack Nicholson ,
>>>but what brough on this , " spill a load on adsf ? "
>>>
>>
>>what, luna's not allowed to pull a minx once in awhile? don't be such a
>>tight ass, to snag a term from naomi's post.
>>
>>
>
>
> fk off minx or you'll get the total lashing of my rath you smart ass f
> did i say who's allowed to do what ? ,
> did i say Luna's not allowed to do anything ?
> just get the fk off my ass ya stunned tit ,
> i've got a low tollerance for asses let alone their holes
no need to be so testy, dave, I was just teasing you. good god!
%
it's a little out of your pace ,
i liked it i said ,
so don't start ,
i just had to kick minx to pieces over this ,
and i like you and would hate to give you what minx got ,
but ... she asked for it ,
i was minding my business talking to you .
minxvox
%
> i just had to kick minx to pieces over this ,
> and i like you and would hate to give you what minx got ,
> but ... she asked for it ,
> i was minding my business talking to you .
that's right, you gave it to me good. teach me to comment playfully in a
public forum! dumb bitch!
%
oh , ok , i guess you don't like the results of teasing me ,
well i'm sorry ,
i'll try to improve my response to teasing
minxvox
% wrote:
> oh , ok , i guess you don't like the results of teasing me ,
> well i'm sorry ,
> i'll try to improve my response to teasing
well, it could use a *little* work. maybe less tit, fuck, and asshole.
but that's just me!
minxvox
minxvox wrote:
well, I guess that is just me, since you called me all the above. hm.
Luna
>> Luna wrote:
<snip>
>>> I don't deserve the dirt your stories walk in.
>>
>>
>>
>> BZZT! you're fucking wrongass wrong. don't make me come over there.
You are a funny girl!
>>
>>
>>> But thank you! (whisperfast? wtf??)
>>
>>
>> my kinda mooshedword baby!
I was reaching, tryin'. See, the problem with "writing" writing is
that it's so easy to feel self conscious!
The irony is that I was so angry when I was writing it that I was
almost freaking out; yet I came out with a fluff piece! Mustn't let
my mystery mess with my enigma.
jean
minxvox
Luna wrote:
> The irony is that I was so angry when I was writing it that I was
> almost freaking out; yet I came out with a fluff piece! Mustn't let
> my mystery mess with my enigma.
really? that is very interesting. not a bit of that came through. it
wasn't fluffy, though, I hate to tell you. that's why I loved it. not
that I mind fluff, but I prefer to restrict such reading to my beloved
tabs. skeevy fluff. I like dirty, skeevy fluff.
you've had some life. you really should write essays for a living, like
you mentioned in that other thread, ala Dave Barry, only for the
blackedged, carbolic acid set.
I'm into carbolic acid this week, as you may have noticed. :)
Luna
<snip>
>>> i just wondered where and why ,
>> it's a little out of your pace ,
>> i liked it i said ,
>> so don't start ,
>> i just had to kick minx to pieces over this ,
>> and i like you and would hate to give you what minx got ,
>> but ... she asked for it ,
>> i was minding my business talking to you .
You misunderstood her, ya big galoot.
I bet you have some stories of your own. Perhaps we could all share
them and demonstrate for certain people who think their childhoods
were worse than Auschwitz how much of a Disneyesque life they've
actually led.
jean
minxvox
wombn wrote:
> On Tue, 6 May 2003 18:57:04 -0400, "Luna" <jean_c...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>I was going to share some therapist horror stories, because I'm
>>actually really pissed off at the moment Then I thought..well, that
>>wouldn't be too cool here, talking about how much I despise therapists
>>and the "system" in general.
>>
>
> why wouldn't it be cool here? Thor's made no secret of his opinion of
> therapists... well, if you don't mind brand of company. :-)
I've had some horrible psychiatrists that I would gladly slit from stem
to stern verbally, and that would elide nicely to my own rant about
aspects of the system. not the whole thing, though, I never throw out
the bathwater.
but rant away, you know?
minxvox
Luna wrote:
> % wrote:
> You misunderstood her, ya big galoot.
yes he did (bigBIG tearwelled EYES!)
(I don't know why I capped eyes)
> I bet you have some stories of your own.
I remember the street stories, when dave was posting his story for
awhile. and the childhood stories.
yeah, some lives I've read here. I don't forget any of them.
Luna
>>> I was going to share some therapist horror stories, because I'm
>>> actually really pissed off at the moment Then I thought..well,
>>> that wouldn't be too cool here, talking about how much I despise
>>> therapists and the "system" in general.
>>
>> why wouldn't it be cool here? Thor's made no secret of his opinion
>> of therapists... well, if you don't mind brand of company. :-)
I LOVE Thor (in a completely platonic way, of course!).
I think my opinions are so tainted by personal experience that they're
meaningless. I mean, they carry no weight in any objective sense
because they're totally infected by my life. I'm smart enough to know
that my experience isn't all experience, and god, it's a depression
place...people need their therapists (maybe).
jean
Luna
<snip>
>>
>> I've had some horrible psychiatrists that I would gladly slit from
>> stem to stern verbally, and that would elide nicely to my own rant
>> about aspects of the system. not the whole thing, though, I never
>> throw out the bathwater.
I had too many negative experiences...and not that they were
particularly horrible either, just expensive, drawn out and STUPID...
>>
>> but rant away, you know?
I'm done! and i feel so much lighter now. :)
jean
DaKitty
maybe some people aren't used to you being playful towards them.
Especially without a wink or a smile.
It could have been interpreted either way.
You're a writer, you know how to communicate really well when you want to.
naomi
wrote:
Hee! Sounds like fun, in a crazy tell your grandkids kind of way!
Naomi
Luna
>> On Tue, 6 May 2003 19:33:48 -0400, "Luna"
<jean_c...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
<snip>
>>> I think my opinions are so tainted by personal experience that
>>> they're meaningless. I mean, they carry no weight in any
objective
>>> sense because they're totally infected by my life. I'm smart
>>> enough to know that my experience isn't all experience, and god,
>>> it's a depression place...people need their therapists (maybe).
>>>
>> I think some do and some don't.
I think it's very likely that most don't.
jean
Flashfire
> So sometimes I wonder about Fred Little, I bet he still remembers us.
> He was on duty that night and he told us later, he almost lost his job
> because of us. We were in the paper and everything! He still did
> impressions for me though; I think he liked me, in spite of it all.
What an amazing story, thanks for sharing it. Poor man. Fancy nearly losing
his job over a couple of wayward children.
Regards Lee
Luna
>>
>> Hee! Sounds like fun, in a crazy tell your grandkids kind of way!
Oh my god, I should tell my kids this story. (Of course, edited
slightly...but seriously, they think I'm so boring, if only they
knew!)
jean
>>
>> Naomi
Luna
Hi Flashfire!
He didn't lose his job though, thank God (i'd probably still be
feeling bad if he had). He really was a gem - made me laugh in that
horrible place.
jean
>>
>> Regards Lee
Flashfire
> I think my opinions are so tainted by personal experience that they're
> meaningless. I mean, they carry no weight in any objective sense
> because they're totally infected by my life. I'm smart enough to know
> that my experience isn't all experience, and god, it's a depression
> place...people need their therapists (maybe).
People NEED to express themselves. Whether it be in this forum (which is
what I thought it was for) or to their friends, or to a therapist. I liked
what you had to say, I think its bloody sad that a 13 year old is so sad
that she feels the need to end it all. but then I tried to kill myself at 5
years old and everyone says thats bull a five year old doesnt know thier own
mind. I did. Anyway I digress. You write out your frustrations and fears
Jean, people's personal experiance carries far more weight with me than any
therapist who is diagnosing from a text book.
Regards Lee
Joe User
>>
>> i just wondered where and why ,
> it's a little out of your pace ,
> i liked it i said ,
> so don't start ,
> i just had to kick minx to pieces over this ,
> and i like you and would hate to give you what minx got ,
> but ... she asked for it ,
> i was minding my business talking to you .
LOSER, LOSER
Gee you paracite of a man, why don't you find some desperate girl and pilfer
her wallet so you can buy a bottle and drown in it.
You win???? BWAHHHH You lost 3 times TODAY, and it's only Tuesday. Have a 5
more whole days to increase your failure rating, maybe you can set a new
record, even for you.
Do you have any pride, any left what so ever, most people who FAIL as much
as you do have developed some camouflaging techniques over the decades, you
can't even do that, so not only are you a pathetic parasitic loser, you are
just that STUPID.
Have you ever succeeded at anything? You live out in the middle of no
where, you have no education, no career, are about as sharp as a box of
rocks, and have as the charm and wit of a brimstone, you just smell bad, and
you can't even manage to do bad right, it's not like you are Canada's most
wanted for a daring string of bank robberies, or even some ruthless serial
killer.
Hell, you can't even stalk right, too damn incoherent, and not that I would
ever wish you to show up on some poor girls door, but at least the loser
collage guy stalkers do it in person, not over the internet.
And it's so fitting this particular psychotic outbreak of yours occurs in a
reminiscence thread, I remember who you remind me off, this crazy basted who
lived on my block when I was a kid.
Crazy as a loon, would act just like you, run around yelling and screaming
at people for some delusional reason, got locked up in the Looney bin a
bunch of times, and he too liked playing with power tools, cut his fool
thumb off with a circular saw, trying to build this shed, never saw a
building that had absolutely no 90 degree angles, every part of it was
crooked as all hell, but man did he reinforce the shit out of it. Is that
what your house looks like in the middle of no where?
Had this delusion he was a lady's man as well, only he liked high school
girls, he tried that once with my baby sister, it ended badly for him.
He's dead now, not my doing, heard he died in the loony bin all alone.
Behold the forbearing of your fate and weep now, for no one will do it once
you are gone.
liah van
>Date: 5/6/2003 3:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <b99d7m$gsrl2$1...@ID-66050.news.dfncis.de>
>
>He did the best Nixon of all time!
>
>But anyway. His brother Fred Little also did impressions in a much
>smaller world. No Johnny Carson for Fred. Fred Little worked at the
>Royal Ottawa Hospital which was essentially a loony bin for children
>and adolescents, and I met him there back in the day. The 70's. Oh
>god, that was a loooong time ago.
>
>I had been admitted after a failed suicide attempt at the age of 13.
>One day this girl, Susan and I decided to escape from the locked ward.
>We did it! So easy too, gum on the latch and whisperfast out the door
>on visiting day. Visiting day was perfect because - 1. No one would
>be visiting us and 2. the door was constantly opening and closing as
>people came and went.
>
>We ran across the grounds laughing and gasping, sort of in shock but
>really excited. We headed for the highway, thumbs at attention
>(priapic thumbs, hah!). My most vivid memory of that escape attempt
>was the face of Fred Little, florid and freaking out, as he whizzed by
>us on the other side of the highway. No U Turns available on the
>Highway, he had to find exit, re enter...etc.
>
>We were picked up by some car salesman on his way home from work sans
>clue within minutes and they didn't catch us for five days. We went
>to Montreal, had some pretty traumatic adventures, "turned ourselves
>in" when we were done...
>
>He was on duty that night and he told us later, he almost lost his job
>because of us. We were in the paper and everything! He still did
>impressions for me though; I think he liked me, in spite of it all.
Luna, excellent... thank you
liah
the ground seems to have broken my fall
%
i'm sure none of that would have been there if you hadn't have teased ,
if you don't like the reactions you get from teasing ,
maybe you should consider not doing it
>
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"Joe User" <r...@inhell.org> wrote in message
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hi pretzel head , you talk a good talk ,
but you never back it up ,
i've grown bored of your blah blah blah ,
either bring it on or get lost ,
but stop this pansy ass yammering
minxvox
wrote:
yeah, you're right. when I teased my mother because I kind of liked her
at that moment and thought I'd show her so by trying to be funny, she
called me a fucking asshole, and that really showed me how I better just
watch my shit.
you're cranky and humorless and this conversation is over. ciao!
Joe User
LOL, yeah right.
Let's see who has the LOSER record going this week, how many times
have rejected this week, 6 or something?
Maybe it has something to do with the fact you are a waste of life,
and just refuse to accept the fact.
Soooo you keep posting how you win over and over and over again.
I just point out the obvious, you are a good for nothing failure.
Everyone needs a usenet hobby, I'll just keep bashing you over the
head with your own failures.
then laugh.
Luna
>> Luna wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The irony is that I was so angry when I was writing it that I was
>>> almost freaking out; yet I came out with a fluff piece! Mustn't
let
>>> my mystery mess with my enigma.
>>
>>
>> really? that is very interesting. not a bit of that came through.
it
>> wasn't fluffy, though, I hate to tell you. that's why I loved it.
not
>> that I mind fluff, but I prefer to restrict such reading to my
>> beloved tabs. skeevy fluff. I like dirty, skeevy fluff.
Yeah, I'd love to be Dave Barry, except really pissed off. Andy
Rooney on acid!
>>
>> you've had some life. you really should write essays for a living,
>> like you mentioned in that other thread, ala Dave Barry, only for
the
>> blackedged, carbolic acid set.
I just can't believe you said that! I used to write letters to the
editor of the local paper and they published almost all of them!
That's the height of my "professional writing career". I do, however,
write product descriptions. Get a load of this wrenching prose:
"Celebrate the art of personal correspondence with these notes for any
occasion. Each set contains 5 cards and 5 translucent envelopes. The
envelopes allow the beauty of the paper and whatever you apply to it
to peek through...."
I'd rather write THIS:
"The perfect "take this seriously" paper and envelope set. Tell that
screaming boyfriend that you won't be listening anymore with a "take
this seriously" note left leaning on his mantle. Let your Nazi Boss
know that there's going to be an empty cubicle due to the fact that
you've landed a job that pays far more than HIS does with a "take this
seriously" resignation left on top of his cluttered desk...."
>>
>> I'm into carbolic acid this week, as you may have noticed. :)
I did! I have fond memories of carbolic, after all carbolic soap
heralded one of the greatest advancements of all time - sanitation!
(((((carbolic)))))
jean
Luna
>> On Tue, 6 May 2003 20:33:37 -0400, "Luna"
<jean_c...@hotmail.com>
>>
>> This discussion has got me thinking about my experiences with
>> therapy, which have not generally been helpful, and wondering why
>> that may be true. My fave therapy was art therapy, because it was
>> fun. Your story, Jean, while it wasn't fun in a beachball party
kind
>> of way, was a very good story. I like your tainted opinions :)
Thank you!
So far as your experience that therapy has not generally been helpful,
the studies I read when I was taking psych 101 about a century ago
were that, while people who were in therapy felt that it was helpful
to them, the fact is that actual alleviation of symptoms and feelings
of wellbeing over time (this is relating to depression) were the same
within the group who was in therapy as it was for the group that was
not. Hmmmm, interesting!
My kids did art therapy after the DIVORCE and they absolutely loved
it; it was relaxing and fun for them. I think Aawa does art therapy
with people (she's so cool!).
>>
>> I think what I don't like about most therapy is the idea that, if I
>> just tried a little harder, I'd be a better person. I think I bring
>> that idea to therapy with me, and/or seek out therapy like that. I
>> think I bring it to relationships too.
>>
>> What if I am as good as I'm going to get? What if this has to be
good
>> enough?
What if "good enough" is actually amazing? What if the idea of
perfection as the only route to "good enough" is the problem, and not
where, who, or what you are?
Wouldn't it be a rush to be walking along one day and you glance at
yourself in the reflection of a shop window... and suddenly experience
the epiphany that all this time, you've actually been so beyond good
enough as to actually be an awesome human being (UNIQUE SNOWFLAKE) and
you didn't even know it? Everything could change in that one moment.
jean
>>
>> judith
Luna
<snip>
>> There's a quote about happiness that I like. It comes from Feeding
>> The Hungry Heart, a book about compulsive eating by Geneen Roth.
>>
>> "Could it be that happiness comes in moments...? Could it be that I
>> am already happy, that I have been happy all these years without
>> knowing it, but that happiness passes, rises and falls, goes away
>> and comes back?"
Oh my god! We're in sync this morning judith.
I love this, and think it's true. Happiness isn't a lifestyle
anymore. :)
jean
>>
>> judith
Luna
I like you, Lee. I can't disagree with you; sometimes I feel a little
protective about my opinions, like they have sharp edges and could
hurt others. Well, I know they can.
Five years old, wow. I can't help but think, what the fuck were those
bastards doing to you? Thank god it's over now...
jean
clark
>I was going to share some therapist horror stories, because I'm
>actually really pissed off at the moment Then I thought..well, that
>wouldn't be too cool here, talking about how much I despise therapists
>and the "system" in general.
>
>So instead I blew off steam with an institutional anecdote.
>
good decision for you and for us i think... enjoyed the insight into
your life... thanks
take care
JohnM
> Sounds reasonable to me, really. I mean, how in the hell else did
> humanity survive without therapists!??!?
They locked us away in rooms where we received little or no treatment or
perhaps a lobotomy.
Luna
For psychotic disorders, clearly a result of brain physiology, why
would therapy help? Do we get therapy for emphysema? I think those
kinds of issues are best dealt with through medication and the kind of
support that is characterized by warmth and humanity. Not
explorations of one's childhood.
jean
minxvox
> minxvox wrote:
>>>you've had some life. you really should write essays for a living,
>>>like you mentioned in that other thread, ala Dave Barry, only for
> the
>>>blackedged, carbolic acid set.
>
> I just can't believe you said that! I used to write letters to the
> editor of the local paper and they published almost all of them!
> That's the height of my "professional writing career".
Luna, seriously: You are a fantastic writer. More, you are a funny
writer, and that is extremely hard to be. I think brilliance lies in
being funny in words, more than "moving," because moving is easier to
do, seriously. You are both, and that's rare, and you should appreciate
that in yourself.
> I do, however,
> write product descriptions. Get a load of this wrenching prose:
>
> "Celebrate the art of personal correspondence with these notes for any
> occasion. Each set contains 5 cards and 5 translucent envelopes. The
> envelopes allow the beauty of the paper and whatever you apply to it
> to peek through...."
god, you incorporate pornspeak into everything! look at those slutty
implications!
> I'd rather write THIS:
>
> "The perfect "take this seriously" paper and envelope set. Tell that
> screaming boyfriend that you won't be listening anymore with a "take
> this seriously" note left leaning on his mantle. Let your Nazi Boss
> know that there's going to be an empty cubicle due to the fact that
> you've landed a job that pays far more than HIS does with a "take this
> seriously" resignation left on top of his cluttered desk...."
hahaha!! fuck, you should start a whole new trend. J. Peterman catalog
twisted and turned upside down!!
you would make a mint for your company, too.
> (((((carbolic)))))
I realized last night it's more about the acid part of the equation.
acid tongues being my favorite, but something I lack due to my inability
to be precise.
(((((acid)))))
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"Joe User" <reserv...@rotinhell.com> wrote in message
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well you've reached level two now ,
i don't even read what you say anymore ,
i called you out , you're a no show , end of story
%
minxvox
Luna wrote:
Interesting! I can't argue with the warmth and humanity. They are my
guiding lights. But I'm very into analysis, too, and that's to both my
detriment and advantage, therapeutically.
I think, for me, it was part of a bigger process. I had to talk about my
childhood at some point in therapy, years ago. The only lasting effect
was the purging of some of the pain. I held so much inside me, and hurt
so much, I needed a sounding board, and no, I didn't have anyone else I
trusted enough to talk to about it. I barely trusted any of my
therapists. I think there is value in expunging, as long as we
understand that 1) it's not real in many ways [things don't go away just
because we "vent," nor are they understood any better, often, without
*doing* something with the vestiges of the damage]; and 2) that's not
where the real change happens.
You talk in traditional talk therapy, okay. I didn't get much out of it
in the long run--I got much more out of a little talk therapy coupled
with a tremendous amount of behavioral cognitive work. But learning
compassion for myself, understanding myself in context, I did find that
useful up to a point. And more importantly, it helped crystallize what
is the past and what is the now. It helped create a bit of a tabula rasa
to unfold the shame and horror, smooth it out with words, and then get
to work on the now and the shit I needed to change. I needed the roots
for awhile, though I don't believe in traceable root causes, really, so
maybe roots is the wrong word.
I spent so much money I couldn't afford--even at sliding scale--on
therapy, it pains me to see where it failed me in so many places. All
that work, and no one ever suggested I needed medication, that something
might be chemically askew as well as situationally--that angers me. I
could have died while they asked me to express my feelings. I remember
being hunched in a chair, bundled in dirty clothes, paralyzed with
depression while a therapist coaxed memory out of me. Didn't she see?
Didn't she *see*?
But then, I'm very hard to read. I didn't know that about myself until
the past few years. I cover up even when I think I'm being open wound.
This is all completely unfocused, and I should be working, though
there's not much to do today and I really wish I was in the park with my
pup, feeling the sun on my face while I lay on the grass and experience
urgent kisses (not the dog's). Now *that's* therapy, baby!
minx
Luna
>> Luna wrote:
>>
>>> minxvox wrote:
<snip>
>> Luna, seriously: You are a fantastic writer. More, you are a funny
>> writer, and that is extremely hard to be. I think brilliance lies
in
>> being funny in words, more than "moving," because moving is easier
to
>> do, seriously. You are both, and that's rare, and you should
>> appreciate that in yourself.
Oh. My. God! I have always viewed myself as a mediocre writer, I'm
like the fast food of writing. I never edit, my posts are full of
inconsistencies and mistakes. I think I'm smarter in person. On the
other hand, it's always been my dream, to write. I write all the
time, either work or write, i've got all this "stuff", uni-topic rants
that i've never done anything with but save on a hard drive.
Your compliments make me feel a little giddy, I'll admit. But you're
so nice, are you just "being nice"? Remember those MAD (Alfred E.
Neumann) type books that had titles like "Snappy Comebacks to Stupid
Questions"? I always thought I could write one of those but not much
more. For a while I experimented with (you won't believe this!) the
bodice ripper format. I had read a Harlequin Romance and I thought,
FUCK, I can do this! I think I got a chapter done, was bored to tears
and stopped.
>>
>>
>>> I do, however,
>>> write product descriptions. Get a load of this wrenching prose:
>>>
>>> "Celebrate the art of personal correspondence with these notes for
>>> any occasion. Each set contains 5 cards and 5 translucent
>>> envelopes. The envelopes allow the beauty of the paper and
whatever
>>> you apply to it to peek through...."
>>
>>
>> god, you incorporate pornspeak into everything! look at those
slutty
>> implications!
So sssensual, I know!
>>
>>
>>> I'd rather write THIS:
>>>
>>> "The perfect "take this seriously" paper and envelope set. Tell
>>> that screaming boyfriend that you won't be listening anymore with
a
>>> "take this seriously" note left leaning on his mantle. Let your
>>> Nazi Boss know that there's going to be an empty cubicle due to
the
>>> fact that you've landed a job that pays far more than HIS does
with
>>> a "take this seriously" resignation left on top of his cluttered
>>> desk...."
>>
>>
>> hahaha!! fuck, you should start a whole new trend. J. Peterman
>> catalog twisted and turned upside down!!
Oh lord, J. Peterman!
>>
>> you would make a mint for your company, too.
I should start revising the product descriptions, inject my own
personality into them. You know, I've been thinking of doing it....I
should talk to Kathy about it...can you imagine the business we'd get
once we had established a rep for having the best, most ultimate
description of Cadmium Red and Cobalt Blue out there?
It's weird too, because some of the books we carry, for the tole and
decorative painting set - there's a strong thread of Jesus in this
particular market - lots of books on "How to paint angels" and stuff
like that... boy, I could have fun with that.
>>
>>
>>> (((((carbolic)))))
>>
>>
>> I realized last night it's more about the acid part of the
equation.
>> acid tongues being my favorite, but something I lack due to my
>> inability to be precise.
>>
>> (((((acid)))))
Oh minxie, my love. You truly are a fascinating and delightful
person. Yes...(((((acid))))
It's so decisive.
jean
Flashfire
> I like you, Lee. I can't disagree with you; sometimes I feel a little
> protective about my opinions, like they have sharp edges and could
> hurt others. Well, I know they can.
Thankyou, I know the feelings on opinions. For years I was not allowed to
express an opinion, without a whack across the head or told to shut my
stupid fucking mouth....so I was always very closed mouthed and close
minded. I had no thought that my mother did not approve of. In later years I
was surprised (and still am) that people actually listen to me and value my
opinon.
> Five years old, wow. I can't help but think, what the fuck were those
> bastards doing to you? Thank god it's over now...
Its over, cept for the little scenes that occationally play back like a bad
recording in my mind.
Regards Lee
Luna
>> <smile> thanks for the fun story Luna
>> Maryb
Mary. :)
It is rather unusual! We all have 'em.
I was thinking of initiating a "the first time you got drunk" thread.
Mine involved jumping off the roof of a building. :o
jean
>>
>>
>> --
>> x-no-archive: yes is in headers
>>
>> We were not a hugging people. In terms of emotional comfort, it was
>> my family's belief that no amount of physical contact could match
>> the healing powers of a well-made cocktail.
>> -David Sedaris, "Naked"
minxvox
"Luna" <jean_c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I was thinking of initiating a "the first time you got drunk" thread.
> Mine involved jumping off the roof of a building. :o
That story of mine is so disgusting and degrading, I've only been able
to tell it once, and that was recently to my last therapist. never will
see the light of day again.
no no, don't like the jumping off building thing at ALL! luny! you
really have used up all your cat lives, girl.
Gayle
>
> Oh. My. God! I have always viewed myself as a mediocre writer, I'm
> like the fast food of writing. I never edit, my posts are full of
> inconsistencies and mistakes. I think I'm smarter in person. On the
> other hand, it's always been my dream, to write. I write all the
> time, either work or write, i've got all this "stuff", uni-topic rants
> that i've never done anything with but save on a hard drive.
I feel a little shy about the gushing I've done recently about the
appreciation I have for the quality of writing in this group. It's a fear
of leaving any of the fine writers here unmentioned. I'm also afraid of
cramping anyone's writing by commenting publicly about how closely I
read. So, let me stipulate: the reason I read here is because of the
'whole voice' of the community. If I had time, I would write the whole
group a LOVE letter about what it was like to read the group last night
after being out of town for 2 days.
The Fred Little story seemed to uncork a storytelling mood in the group.
When I was 15, When I was 5 ... all of it. It was a transformational
Reading experience, which is why I read here. That said:
You are a *freakin'* incredible writer, Jean. The difference between you
and, oh say Annie Proulx, is one of medium, imo. The writing is there.
You have readers. When you say 'never done anything with', it begs the
question of what you want to 'do'. There are many paths for writers and
plenty of maps and advice. Choosing a path, now that's a toughie, but
Usenet is a true path (imo) and thank you, thank you for publishing here.
>
>
> Your compliments make me feel a little giddy, I'll admit. But you're
> so nice, are you just "being nice"? Remember those MAD (Alfred E.
> Neumann) type books that had titles like "Snappy Comebacks to Stupid
> Questions"? I always thought I could write one of those but not much
> more. For a while I experimented with (you won't believe this!) the
> bodice ripper format. I had read a Harlequin Romance and I thought,
> FUCK, I can do this! I think I got a chapter done, was bored to tears
> and stopped.
Writing is one art and making money through writing is another. You might
not be so bored if you figured out how much $ you earned during that
hour. If you were writing it for a way to earn some money, it's a big
market. Or, you might be appalled to find out how little money most
writers ever make. But, maybe their goal was to publish and they achieved
it. That's a path, too.
Gayle
minxvox
lunagayle wrote:
Gayle wrote:
> Luna wrote:
>
>
>>Oh. My. God! I have always viewed myself as a mediocre writer, I'm
>>like the fast food of writing. I never edit, my posts are full of
>>inconsistencies and mistakes. I think I'm smarter in person. On the
>>other hand, it's always been my dream, to write. I write all the
>>time, either work or write, i've got all this "stuff", uni-topic rants
>>that i've never done anything with but save on a hard drive.
Luna, you are not a mediocre writer. I never edit either, I never even
reread my stuff, ever. Just post and go, full of inconsistencies, but
who cares? kind of the beauty of the place, the flying feeling, the
feeling of no net. go with it!
you are so smart you make my eyes hurt, and that comes through loud and
clear here.
> I feel a little shy about the gushing I've done recently about the
> appreciation I have for the quality of writing in this group. It's a fear
> of leaving any of the fine writers here unmentioned. I'm also afraid of
> cramping anyone's writing by commenting publicly about how closely I
> read. So, let me stipulate: the reason I read here is because of the
> 'whole voice' of the community. If I had time, I would write the whole
> group a LOVE letter about what it was like to read the group last night
> after being out of town for 2 days.
I wrote a bad poem about group, about this feeling I too have, a long
time ago. it's called tree. I googled it:
===
roots, you offered yourselves up to me, you murmured with slow growing:
remember. you entwined, entwine, will always entwine gently around my
ankles, calves, thighs belly. covered in lichen, smelling like a stream,
you kiss, evergenerous, my wounds, even the ones you can't see.
we passed notes, tens of them a day, between our hands. you have been
there, through every crisis, every heartbreak, every love, every loss.
we grew so deep in imagination and dirty books and divorce and death, so
deep we almost forgot we touched underground branches to water, and drank.
I am spent like money on candy, thrumming and whimpering in equal
measure. when the sun touches my face, I sometimes notice. eclipses,
like comets, are marked with meaningless hashmarks, and I realize it is
not time that matters, but the hush of old beauty. the appreciation of
light: flaring tail, candle halo, child's flashlight, dusk.
===
> The Fred Little story seemed to uncork a storytelling mood in the group.
> When I was 15, When I was 5 ... all of it. It was a transformational
> Reading experience, which is why I read here. That said:
it really was amazing. I LOVE this place for exactly that.
> You are a *freakin'* incredible writer, Jean. The difference between you
> and, oh say Annie Proulx, is one of medium, imo. The writing is there.
> You have readers. When you say 'never done anything with', it begs the
> question of what you want to 'do'. There are many paths for writers and
> plenty of maps and advice. Choosing a path, now that's a toughie, but
> Usenet is a true path (imo) and thank you, thank you for publishing here.
yeah! I love usenet, even though there can be waste here, to my mind.
but it's the only place of written, the only place I've created, with
any consistency, and so I have to feel some allegiance, I have to feel
it's real as a publishing medium. we're communicating. there's an
audience. that has to be something, a brushstroke that's not totally
impermanent or small.
>>Your compliments make me feel a little giddy, I'll admit. But you're
>>so nice, are you just "being nice"? Remember those MAD (Alfred E.
>>Neumann) type books that had titles like "Snappy Comebacks to Stupid
>>Questions"? I always thought I could write one of those but not much
>>more. For a while I experimented with (you won't believe this!) the
>>bodice ripper format. I had read a Harlequin Romance and I thought,
>>FUCK, I can do this! I think I got a chapter done, was bored to tears
>>and stopped.
Yes, I'm nice this way. I can find something to appreciate in most every
creation. But no, with you, it's not rooting around for the gold. the
gold is there lying on the street, easy to pick up. please please trust
me on this.
xo
minx
minxvox
post, luna! doh! I just assumed. I'm lame. it's all about me!
minx
pink
Luna
>> Luna wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Oh. My. God! I have always viewed myself as a mediocre writer,
I'm
>>> like the fast food of writing. I never edit, my posts are full of
>>> inconsistencies and mistakes. I think I'm smarter in person. On
>>> the other hand, it's always been my dream, to write. I write all
>>> the time, either work or write, i've got all this "stuff", uni-
>>> topic rants that i've never done anything with but save on a hard
>>> drive.
>>
>> I feel a little shy about the gushing I've done recently about the
>> appreciation I have for the quality of writing in this group. It's
a
>> fear of leaving any of the fine writers here unmentioned. I'm also
>> afraid of cramping anyone's writing by commenting publicly about
how
>> closely I read. So, let me stipulate: the reason I read here is
>> because of the 'whole voice' of the community. If I had time, I
>> would write the whole group a LOVE letter about what it was like to
>> read the group last night after being out of town for 2 days.
First of all - I missed you! Secondly, this group is a terrific place
for me, I've almost grown up in here (I've done lots of growing up in
the past few years). I've been reading this group on a daily basis
for a long time and it's my internet "home". I found my voice on
usenet and that's not a small thing.
>>
>> The Fred Little story seemed to uncork a storytelling mood in the
>> group. When I was 15, When I was 5 ... all of it. It was a
>> transformational Reading experience, which is why I read here. That
>> said:
It's like a whole bunch of people just read the same book and sat down
to talk about it, eh? I think we hesitate to tell these stories; I
know I do. I was in a bit of a mood when I wrote it; I'm sneaky. I
wanted to find a way to talk about what happened with me without
making anyone uncomfortable with the harshness and sadness of it...I
realize too that in life these stark experiences - like a suicide
attempt at age 13 - are almost always interleaved with other events
that soften the memories and make them easier to access. For me the
experience of being institutionalized at a young age was a pivotal
event just by way of sheer drama - but that event has more components
to it then just the sad parts.
At age 15 I got caught shoplifting (Lee Press On Nails) and my parents
threw their hands up in the air and petitioned the court to classify
me as incorrigible . While awaiting placement in foster care I was put
into a Juvenile Detention facility. It was truly terrifying because I
was very soft and all the other kids in there were very, very hard and
"tough" on the outside. One day a teacher there took me aside and
started talking to me one day about something I had written. He was
just so positive about it...I felt special. He included the piece I
had written within a packet to be read by the judge when the hearing
took place.
>>
>> You are a *freakin'* incredible writer, Jean. The difference
between
>> you and, oh say Annie Proulx, is one of medium, imo. The writing is
>> there. You have readers. When you say 'never done anything with',
it
>> begs the question of what you want to 'do'. There are many paths
for
>> writers and plenty of maps and advice. Choosing a path, now that's
a
>> toughie, but Usenet is a true path (imo) and thank you, thank you
>> for publishing here.
I love the way you regard Usenet. It's .. yeah! I've begun to think
differently about the writing in this medium because what you say is
absolutely true. Is it something about the accessibility of usenet
that made me think that it's not REAL writing? If anyone can do it..
Like elegy writing about her writer's block. heh!
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your compliments make me feel a little giddy, I'll admit. But
>>> you're so nice, are you just "being nice"? Remember those MAD
>>> (Alfred E. Neumann) type books that had titles like "Snappy
>>> Comebacks to Stupid Questions"? I always thought I could write
one
>>> of those but not much more. For a while I experimented with (you
>>> won't believe this!) the bodice ripper format. I had read a
>>> Harlequin Romance and I thought, FUCK, I can do this! I think I
>>> got a chapter done, was bored to tears and stopped.
>>
>> Writing is one art and making money through writing is another. You
>> might not be so bored if you figured out how much $ you earned
>> during that hour. If you were writing it for a way to earn some
>> money, it's a big market. Or, you might be appalled to find out how
>> little money most writers ever make. But, maybe their goal was to
>> publish and they achieved it. That's a path, too.
Gayle, I have an idea!
There is a relatively new marketplace site started by google...it's
called "froogle". You can make spreadsheets of your products and
directly upload them to the froogle.com database. You write your own
descriptions. So. We already kick ass on price. We're lucky in that
we have a wholesale biz as well so we can buy much cheaper than other
retailers.
It's a huge marketplace though. My idea is this: make my product
descriptions absolutely brilliant. It's a fine line, they have to be
"professional", and informative, they can't be silly, but can I use
humor? Can I use my writing skills in the product descriptions to
entertain my customers? Imagine the fun I could have with posable
mannequins?
Picture this - every product description is fun to read, and
different, and stimulating. Shit, if any market sector could possibly
appreciate originality, it's gotta be artists, right?
Remember Clare and cobalt blue? :) Colors can't be described,
really - but there are ways to express the softness and snap of a good
quality sable brush or the rough texture of 300lb watercolor paper
without having to resort to: 22x30 300 lb Rough.
LOVE to you, goddess,
Jean
>>
>> Gayle
Luna
>> I somehow missed the original post, Luna! sorry!
Get out! You are the best at post answering.
>>
>> lunagayle wrote:
hahaha. lunagayle. We are One.
>>
>> Gayle wrote:
>>
>>> Luna wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Oh. My. God! I have always viewed myself as a mediocre writer,
I'm
>>>> like the fast food of writing. I never edit, my posts are full
of
>>>> inconsistencies and mistakes. I think I'm smarter in person. On
>>>> the other hand, it's always been my dream, to write. I write all
>>>> the time, either work or write, i've got all this "stuff", uni-
>>>> topic rants that i've never done anything with but save on a hard
>>>> drive.
>>
>>
>> Luna, you are not a mediocre writer. I never edit either, I never
>> even reread my stuff, ever. Just post and go, full of
>> inconsistencies, but who cares? kind of the beauty of the place,
the
>> flying feeling, the feeling of no net. go with it!
>>
>> you are so smart you make my eyes hurt, and that comes through loud
>> and clear here.
Well, and you were pink in the post subsequent to this. Together we
are a couple of tall pinkfaced writin' fools, all princess diana head
down and big eyes lookin' up type of thing.
I guess we just have to face it and get it over with; we're amazing.
yeah baby, it's all good!
:) I love it.
>>
>> ===
>>
>>
>>> The Fred Little story seemed to uncork a storytelling mood in the
>>> group. When I was 15, When I was 5 ... all of it. It was a
>>> transformational Reading experience, which is why I read here.
That
>>> said:
>>
>>
>> it really was amazing. I LOVE this place for exactly that.
Me too.
>>
>>
[...}
>>
>> Yes, I'm nice this way. I can find something to appreciate in most
>> every creation. But no, with you, it's not rooting around for the
>> gold. the gold is there lying on the street, easy to pick up.
please
>> please trust me on this.
Actually I'm being talked into it - I know I am because I'm beginning
to think I can do things with my writing that I wasn't even
considering - like, weeks ago. The confidence is building.
jean
>>
>> xo
>> minx
Gayle
mind melding
roots entwined
voices merging
if that ain't Usenet
Gayle
%
"Gayle" <gay...@rcn.com> wrote in message news:3EBAEF2D...@rcn.com...
JohnM
Analysis is not the only thing that goes on in therapy. It is a
supportive and therapeutic relationship as well. And I believe some
phychoses can be worsened or even caused by traumatic events. And then
there are other categories of mental illness or dysfuntion that therapy
helps. Human warmth is often lacking in a mentally ill persons life, at
lest the way I see it. Part of the cause and an ongoing result or symtpom.
Gayle
yer a poet and you know it
Luna
>> "Luna" <jean_c...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:b9b7m9$hgebe$1...@ID-66050.news.dfncis.de...
Hi again John!
>>> For psychotic disorders, clearly a result of brain physiology, why
>>> would therapy help? Do we get therapy for emphysema? I think
those
>>> kinds of issues are best dealt with through medication and the
kind
>>> of support that is characterized by warmth and humanity. Not
>>> explorations of one's childhood.
>>>
>>> jean
>>
>>
>> Analysis is not the only thing that goes on in therapy. It
>> is a supportive and therapeutic relationship as well.
I find it hard to mesh the therapeutic supportive aspects (and i'm
sure in many cases that it is) with the fact that the therapist is
getting paid for doing a JOB. I don't see how I could ever trust
someone without having the give and take disclosing ping pong aspect
being anything less than free and flowy. In other words, I don't want
to talk to someone only about myself. I don't want to give access
unless I get access.
I've never been able to get past the artificial construct of therapy -
pretending someone is a trusted friend or ally (cuz those are the only
people I'm comfortable talking about my troubling shit with) while
knowing that they could be making mental grocery lists in their head
as I go on and on about the humiliation of Grade 3 (or whatevah).
And I believe
>> some phychoses can be worsened or even caused by traumatic events.
Absolutely agree with the worsened; not the caused though. I think
many neuroses can be caused by trauma...but psychoses, no. I could be
wrong though.
>> And then there are other categories of mental illness or dysfuntion
>> that therapy helps. Human warmth is often lacking in a mentally
ill
>> persons life, at lest the way I see it. Part of the cause and an
>> ongoing result or symtpom.
I agree with this as well. Human warmth, friends and family, are
missing in many people's lives. Therapists fill that void for some, I
guess. For others therapy is essential in understanding the Why's. It
just never worked for me. I can't do the suspension of belief thing;
always too conscious of the fact that I'm paying someone to "care".
It feels like an oxymoron.
I need, need people who I really really talk to about stuff to
sincerely care about me.
Jean
minxvox
> mind melding
> roots entwined
> voices merging
> if that ain't Usenet
it's such an awful piece, I was embarrassed to post it. I'm glad it made
a little "ting" though :)
Gayle
> There is a relatively new marketplace site started by google...it's
> called "froogle". You can make spreadsheets of your products and
> directly upload them to the froogle.com database. You write your own
> descriptions. So. We already kick ass on price. We're lucky in that
> we have a wholesale biz as well so we can buy much cheaper than other
> retailers.
> It's a huge marketplace though. My idea is this: make my product
> descriptions absolutely brilliant. It's a fine line, they have to be
> "professional", and informative, they can't be silly, but can I use
> humor? Can I use my writing skills in the product descriptions to
> entertain my customers? Imagine the fun I could have with posable
> mannequins?
In the ebay marketing newsgroup, there are folks who claim to earn $ by
buying stuff on ebay, writing better descriptions of it --- and selling
it for more. The 'voice' creates more value and you've got one. After
visiting Froogle briefly, I don't understand the spreadsheet uploads. It
seemed like I was linking directly to existing websites.
> Picture this - every product description is fun to read, and
> different, and stimulating. Shit, if any market sector could possibly
> appreciate originality, it's gotta be artists, right?
>
> Remember Clare and cobalt blue? :) Colors can't be described,
> really - but there are ways to express the softness and snap of a good
> quality sable brush or the rough texture of 300lb watercolor paper
> without having to resort to: 22x30 300 lb Rough.
Heck, I wanted a tube of that cobalt blue and I don't paint! One of my
long-term clients is a paper manufacturer so, yeah, there's a lot a
writer can do to evoke the qualities of paper. And to help people with
the choices of which paper for what purposes. The feel of it, the shade
of it, the way it reacts to other materials. Ha! I just remember Joe
Orbit's description of printing his Living Legacy on 38 lb.
archival-quality paper. I love to write about paper. And I even have a
deadline so that's what I'll do now.
Do it, do it, do it. It might be a lot of effort at first, but after you
do a few and settle on style/format, a rhythm kicks in and the work goes
faster. imo.
Gayle
JD Chase
parkstre...@gmail.com
> He did the best Nixon of all time!
>
My first time here and Little is the subject.
I was bus boy at The Inn of the Black Walnut back in the very early seventies.
I had the pleasure of serving him a glass of water!