Well... I didn't think that my pain clinic could get any worse than just basically ignoring me but... they have. I checked my mail tonight, haven't done that in a while and what do I find in my mail? What could I have ever found? The ins co OK'd my surgery for Oct 18th and 'somehow'... my pain clinic never knew?? How can it be? My pain Dr said he wanted to do my surgery on Oct 18th. he repeated this to me over and over again on my appt with him on Oct 22!!! Now I see in my mail that the surgery for the 18th was APPROVED!! Is this cruel and unusual? My pain has increased logarithmically since Aug. I can barely walk and am trying to make it on a max of 2 hours of sleep a night and my pain could be way decreased, WAY!!, if I had had the surgery before. Why? Is there an answer? I will have to deal with this tomorrow but... I am literally close to cutting off my feet. Nerve pain sucks and I just don't know what to do. My pain clinic seems to think that nerve pain is nothing, like a splinter or hang nail. I just couldn't believe my eyes when I opened that letter. I am getting closer and closer to the saw. No feet no pain... What's the worst that could happen? NOTHING!!!
Thanks again guys, I just can't see this getting any worse but each time it just does...What have I done? Really I just can't take it.
> Well... I didn't think that my pain clinic could get any worse than just > basically ignoring me but... they have. I checked my mail tonight, haven't > done that in a while and what do I find in my mail? What could I have ever > found? The ins co OK'd my surgery for Oct 18th and 'somehow'... my pain > clinic never knew?? How can it be? My pain Dr said he wanted to do my > surgery on Oct 18th. he repeated this to me over and over again on my appt > with him on Oct 22!!! Now I see in my mail that the surgery for the 18th > was APPROVED!! Is this cruel and unusual? My pain has increased > logarithmically since Aug. I can barely walk and am trying to make it on a > max of 2 hours of sleep a night and my pain could be way decreased, WAY!!, > if I had had the surgery before. Why? Is there an answer? I will have to > deal with this tomorrow but... I am literally close to cutting off my > feet. Nerve pain sucks and I just don't know what to do. My pain clinic > seems to think that nerve pain is nothing, like a splinter or hang nail. I > just couldn't believe my eyes when I opened that letter. I am getting > closer and closer to the saw. No feet no pain... What's the worst that > could happen? NOTHING!!!
> Thanks again guys, I just can't see this getting any worse but each time > it just does...What have I done? Really I just can't take it.
> Debs
They may want you to lower your meds for the surgery but I could be wrong, maybe just lower it but not cut you off I would think, just my blind shot in the dark, bestluck to you...Joe
>>Well... I didn't think that my pain clinic could get any worse than just >>basically ignoring me but... they have. I checked my mail tonight, haven't >>done that in a while and what do I find in my mail? What could I have ever >>found? The ins co OK'd my surgery for Oct 18th and 'somehow'... my pain >>clinic never knew?? How can it be? My pain Dr said he wanted to do my >>surgery on Oct 18th. he repeated this to me over and over again on my appt >>with him on Oct 22!!! Now I see in my mail that the surgery for the 18th >>was APPROVED!! Is this cruel and unusual? My pain has increased >>logarithmically since Aug. I can barely walk and am trying to make it on a >>max of 2 hours of sleep a night and my pain could be way decreased, WAY!!, >>if I had had the surgery before. Why? Is there an answer? I will have to >>deal with this tomorrow but... I am literally close to cutting off my >>feet. Nerve pain sucks and I just don't know what to do. My pain clinic >>seems to think that nerve pain is nothing, like a splinter or hang nail. I >>just couldn't believe my eyes when I opened that letter. I am getting >>closer and closer to the saw. No feet no pain... What's the worst that >>could happen? NOTHING!!!
>>Thanks again guys, I just can't see this getting any worse but each time >>it just does...What have I done? Really I just can't take it.
>>Debs
> They may want you to lower your meds for the surgery but I could be > wrong, maybe just lower it but not cut you off I would think, just my blind > shot in the dark, bestluck to you...Joe
> Thanks for the idea but they don't even give me much in the way of drugs > to start with. They are so damn incompetent! It should be illegal!! > Debs
> >>Well... I didn't think that my pain clinic could get any worse than just > >>basically ignoring me but... they have. I checked my mail tonight, haven't > >>done that in a while and what do I find in my mail? What could I have ever > >>found? The ins co OK'd my surgery for Oct 18th and 'somehow'... my pain > >>clinic never knew?? How can it be? My pain Dr said he wanted to do my > >>surgery on Oct 18th. he repeated this to me over and over again on my appt > >>with him on Oct 22!!! Now I see in my mail that the surgery for the 18th > >>was APPROVED!! Is this cruel and unusual? My pain has increased > >>logarithmically since Aug. I can barely walk and am trying to make it on a > >>max of 2 hours of sleep a night and my pain could be way decreased, WAY!!, > >>if I had had the surgery before. Why? Is there an answer? I will have to > >>deal with this tomorrow but... I am literally close to cutting off my > >>feet. Nerve pain sucks and I just don't know what to do. My pain clinic > >>seems to think that nerve pain is nothing, like a splinter or hang nail. I > >>just couldn't believe my eyes when I opened that letter. I am getting > >>closer and closer to the saw. No feet no pain... What's the worst that > >>could happen? NOTHING!!!
> >>Thanks again guys, I just can't see this getting any worse but each time > >>it just does...What have I done? Really I just can't take it.
> >>Debs
> > They may want you to lower your meds for the surgery but I could be > > wrong, maybe just lower it but not cut you off I would think, just my blind > > shot in the dark, bestluck to you...Joe- Hide quoted text -
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Aloha Debs!
First and most important, I'm so sorry that this happened. Have you or will you be calling the clinic tomorrow to find out whether they even got the same letter you did or at least an explanation as to how this could have happened?
You sound worse than I am at checking my "snail mailbox" and I thought I was the worst! I only check mine twice a month on average. I have my own P.O. Box along with the 'family's' due to me having my own accounting business from mid 2002 through December 2004. When the business ended, I kept the box because there is not such thing as "street delivery" for USPS mail. Of course there is for UPS, DHL, Fed Ex and the like and if you are a newcomer to this rural island and need a P.O. Box, there's a waiting list as long as our arms. I decided to keep mine not out of greed, but out of necessity in case anything negative ever happened to my marriage due to this CP. If you can't get a P.O. Box, then you have to get it "General Delivery" and I don't like how that "sounds". Makes everyone that has it sound 'homeless', don't you think?!!? Anyway...
Debs, what I've found to be so very true is to NOT DEPEND on the clinics, hospitals, doctors office (regular AND specialists that you're sent to) and so on to make sure they get information they need for anything on their own. Unfortunately, as if being proactive about getting the proper treatment for our pain (like just FINDING a good doctor), we also have to act like the "middle person" between docs offices and pharmacies, we also have to stay "on top" of our insurance carrier to make sure that all the necessary paperwork gets to the proper people, hospital or clinic (and pharmacists in some cases). That's the 2nd of the THREE steps of something the American People of old (meaning, in the late 60's and back) never had to give a second thought about. All the proper infrastructure was set up so if your doc needed an x-ray of your for your next appt., you can bet that it would be there without your involvement. Nowadays, the PATIENT has to wade through the "red tape", get the physical film and hand deliver it to the doctor when he walked in the little exam room!! (Of course just recently, now a it's CD that has the films on them.) I'll never forget the FIRST TIME I had t do that...I'd NOT been to a doctors office for at LEAST 10 years and no one directly TOLD me to bring my film with me, it never crossed my mind that it wouldn't be there unless I, myself, got it and gave it to him! Imagine my astonishment when I discovered THAT? I was also disgusted that a simple thing like an orderly or clerk not being able to get x-rays and other films for doctors and make sure s/he had them well ahead of time so s/he could look at them BEFORE the actual appointment. I think another "joke" (pure sarcasm) is thinking a doctor can flip your films up into the back-light thingy and in a matter of a minute or less (usually MUCH less!) be able to tell if there are irregularities! I'd think s/ he'd be able to make a better call if s/he didn't have a patient nervously staring at them. Don't you? I felt like some sort of a "slave" to my own doctor and that what I was doing was something that I thought I'd always been paying for anyway. It all just seemed to silly to me.
As usual, I'm going off in my own little story-land again. However, when I do that, I do hope that there are some who read this and can relate a little to what I say.
What we all have to do now in order to keep things like what happened to you from happening to you again or to anyone for the first time is BE THAT MIDDLE-PERSON! Call the doctors or surgeons office and see if they have all the paperwork a week ahead of time, if not, get on your insurance company's ass. If they say they processed it already and mailed it to the doctor/surgeon...call them back and tell the lazy bastards that it's probably sitting in a pile of unopened mail that came a few days ago on some lowly clerks desk and how VERY IMPORANT it is that you have all your paperwork (insurance approvals, consent forms and whatever else they may need) in order because you've been living in such horrible pain for too long that this surgery has become a matter of choosing to live of die to you (or something to that effect, you know? Just make it sound as close to critical as you can without them thinking you are crazy or going crazy - LOL! OK?) Oh...an always try your best to keep your COOL. If you start to snap at them or sound sarcastic or demeaning, they will pour on their defenses, which they are very good at, and you may get NOTHING done.
I don't know if you've read some posts about how we all have to "play the GAME by their rules"? Well, this is part of the GAME. We have no choice but to put up with them and if we play their 'game' correctly, WE will get what we NEED. If we don't play it correctly and sound like this is something we only WANT them to do, odds are that after you hang up the phone, that's all the person on the other end will do to! We all know that won't do diddly-squat.
So now I guess what you have to do is not to point or play the "blame game" right now, that won't help in getting your surgery re-set-up, will it? Just show and tell the doctor what you've discovered and leave the "blaming someone on his/her staff to them". Tell him what you did us without the anger in it and quickly move on to getting this surgery set up and DONE!
Kile you said, that saw is getting closer and realistically, I believe you KNOW that isn't the right thing to do. So the sooner you put this behind you the better and get going. I know it's hard to do that. Especially when you think you should be recovering right NOW instead of still SUFFERING, However, facts are facts and we have to play along as I stated above or nothing will get moving.
This time though, don't forget to stay on top of your insurance company, and ALL INVOLVED to make sure all the "ducks are in a row". VERY IMPORTANT!!
Well, that's my 3 cents Debs. For whatever it's worth.
Hawaiian Wayne wrote: > On Oct 28, 5:27 pm, Debs <YOURFOOTdebs02...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Thanks for the idea but they don't even give me much in the way of drugs >>to start with. They are so damn incompetent! It should be illegal!! >>Debs
>>>>Well... I didn't think that my pain clinic could get any worse than just >>>>basically ignoring me but... they have. I checked my mail tonight, haven't >>>>done that in a while and what do I find in my mail? What could I have ever >>>>found? The ins co OK'd my surgery for Oct 18th and 'somehow'... my pain >>>>clinic never knew?? How can it be? My pain Dr said he wanted to do my >>>>surgery on Oct 18th. he repeated this to me over and over again on my appt >>>>with him on Oct 22!!! Now I see in my mail that the surgery for the 18th >>>>was APPROVED!! Is this cruel and unusual? My pain has increased >>>>logarithmically since Aug. I can barely walk and am trying to make it on a >>>>max of 2 hours of sleep a night and my pain could be way decreased, WAY!!, >>>>if I had had the surgery before. Why? Is there an answer? I will have to >>>>deal with this tomorrow but... I am literally close to cutting off my >>>>feet. Nerve pain sucks and I just don't know what to do. My pain clinic >>>>seems to think that nerve pain is nothing, like a splinter or hang nail. I >>>>just couldn't believe my eyes when I opened that letter. I am getting >>>>closer and closer to the saw. No feet no pain... What's the worst that >>>>could happen? NOTHING!!!
>>>>Thanks again guys, I just can't see this getting any worse but each time >>>>it just does...What have I done? Really I just can't take it.
>>>>Debs
>>> They may want you to lower your meds for the surgery but I could be >>>wrong, maybe just lower it but not cut you off I would think, just my blind >>>shot in the dark, bestluck to you...Joe- Hide quoted text -
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> Aloha Debs!
> First and most important, I'm so sorry that this happened. Have you or > will you be calling the clinic tomorrow to find out whether they even > got the same letter you did or at least an explanation as to how this > could have happened?
> You sound worse than I am at checking my "snail mailbox" and I thought > I was the worst! I only check mine twice a month on average. I have my > own P.O. Box along with the 'family's' due to me having my own > accounting business from mid 2002 through December 2004. When the > business ended, I kept the box because there is not such thing as > "street delivery" for USPS mail. Of course there is for UPS, DHL, Fed > Ex and the like and if you are a newcomer to this rural island and > need a P.O. Box, there's a waiting list as long as our arms. I decided > to keep mine not out of greed, but out of necessity in case anything > negative ever happened to my marriage due to this CP. If you can't get > a P.O. Box, then you have to get it "General Delivery" and I don't > like how that "sounds". Makes everyone that has it sound 'homeless', > don't you think?!!? Anyway...
> Debs, what I've found to be so very true is to NOT DEPEND on the > clinics, hospitals, doctors office (regular AND specialists that > you're sent to) and so on to make sure they get information they need > for anything on their own. Unfortunately, as if being proactive about > getting the proper treatment for our pain (like just FINDING a good > doctor), we also have to act like the "middle person" between docs > offices and pharmacies, we also have to stay "on top" of our insurance > carrier to make sure that all the necessary paperwork gets to the > proper people, hospital or clinic (and pharmacists in some cases). > That's the 2nd of the THREE steps of something the American People of > old (meaning, in the late 60's and back) never had to give a second > thought about. All the proper infrastructure was set up so if your doc > needed an x-ray of your for your next appt., you can bet that it would > be there without your involvement. Nowadays, the PATIENT has to wade > through the "red tape", get the physical film and hand deliver it to > the doctor when he walked in the little exam room!! (Of course just > recently, now a it's CD that has the films on them.) I'll never forget > the FIRST TIME I had t do that...I'd NOT been to a doctors office for > at LEAST 10 years and no one directly TOLD me to bring my film with > me, it never crossed my mind that it wouldn't be there unless I, > myself, got it and gave it to him! Imagine my astonishment when I > discovered THAT? I was also disgusted that a simple thing like an > orderly or clerk not being able to get x-rays and other films for > doctors and make sure s/he had them well ahead of time so s/he could > look at them BEFORE the actual appointment. I think another > "joke" (pure sarcasm) is thinking a doctor can flip your films up into > the back-light thingy and in a matter of a minute or less (usually > MUCH less!) be able to tell if there are irregularities! I'd think s/ > he'd be able to make a better call if s/he didn't have a patient > nervously staring at them. Don't you? I felt like some sort of a > "slave" to my own doctor and that what I was doing was something that > I thought I'd always been paying for anyway. It all just seemed to > silly to me.
> As usual, I'm going off in my own little story-land again. However, > when I do that, I do hope that there are some who read this and can > relate a little to what I say.
> What we all have to do now in order to keep things like what happened > to you from happening to you again or to anyone for the first time is > BE THAT MIDDLE-PERSON! Call the doctors or surgeons office and see if > they have all the paperwork a week ahead of time, if not, get on your > insurance company's ass. If they say they processed it already and > mailed it to the doctor/surgeon...call them back and tell the lazy > bastards that it's probably sitting in a pile of unopened mail that > came a few days ago on some lowly clerks desk and how VERY IMPORANT it > is that you have all your paperwork (insurance approvals, consent > forms and whatever else they may need) in order because you've been > living in such horrible pain for too long that this surgery has become > a matter of choosing to live of die to you (or something to that > effect, you know? Just make it sound as close to critical as you can > without them thinking you are crazy or going crazy - LOL! OK?) Oh...an > always try your best to keep your COOL. If you start to snap at them > or sound sarcastic or demeaning, they will pour on their defenses, > which they are very good at, and you may get NOTHING done.
> I don't know if you've read some posts about how we all have to "play > the GAME by their rules"? Well, this is part of the GAME. We have no > choice but to put up with them and if we play their 'game' correctly, > WE will get what we NEED. If we don't play it correctly and sound like > this is something we only WANT them to do, odds are that after you > hang up the phone, that's all the person on the other end will do to! > We all know that won't do diddly-squat.
> So now I guess what you have to do is not to point or play the "blame > game" right now, that won't help in getting your surgery re-set-up, > will it? Just show and tell the doctor what you've discovered and > leave the "blaming someone on his/her staff to them". Tell him what > you did us without the anger in it and quickly move on to getting this > surgery set up and DONE!
> Kile you said, that saw is getting closer and realistically, I believe > you KNOW that isn't the right thing to do. So the sooner you put this > behind you the better and get going. I know it's hard to do that. > Especially when you think you should be recovering right NOW instead > of still SUFFERING, However, facts are facts and we have to play along > as I stated above or nothing will get moving.
> This time though, don't forget to stay on top of your insurance > company, and ALL INVOLVED to make sure all the "ducks are in a row". > VERY IMPORTANT!!
> Well, that's my 3 cents Debs. For whatever it's worth.
> Well... I didn't think that my pain clinic could get any worse than just > basically ignoring me but... they have. I checked my mail tonight, haven't > done that in a while and what do I find in my mail? What could I have ever > found? The ins co OK'd my surgery for Oct 18th and 'somehow'... my pain > clinic never knew?? How can it be? My pain Dr said he wanted to do my > surgery on Oct 18th. he repeated this to me over and over again on my appt > with him on Oct 22!!! Now I see in my mail that the surgery for the 18th > was APPROVED!! Is this cruel and unusual? My pain has increased > logarithmically since Aug. I can barely walk and am trying to make it on a > max of 2 hours of sleep a night and my pain could be way decreased, WAY!!, > if I had had the surgery before. Why? Is there an answer? I will have to > deal with this tomorrow but... I am literally close to cutting off my > feet. Nerve pain sucks and I just don't know what to do. My pain clinic > seems to think that nerve pain is nothing, like a splinter or hang nail. I > just couldn't believe my eyes when I opened that letter. I am getting > closer and closer to the saw. No feet no pain... What's the worst that > could happen? NOTHING!!!
> Thanks again guys, I just can't see this getting any worse but each time > it just does...What have I done? Really I just can't take it.
Thanks A LOT Lavon. I will take all the help I can get. I feel like I need a ton right now. Had ANOTHER appt at the clinic today. Wasted 2 hours of my time. Was told would have surgery next Tues. Then told no way the tuesday after that one and oh yeah, we might have to take the whole set-up out of you for a few weeks. Mind you I told them I can't walk without it... Don't they realize they are dealing with actual living people???
Thanks a ton Lavon. I appreciate it more than I can express, Debs
>>Well... I didn't think that my pain clinic could get any worse than just >>basically ignoring me but... they have. I checked my mail tonight, haven't >>done that in a while and what do I find in my mail? What could I have ever >>found? The ins co OK'd my surgery for Oct 18th and 'somehow'... my pain >>clinic never knew?? How can it be? My pain Dr said he wanted to do my >>surgery on Oct 18th. he repeated this to me over and over again on my appt >>with him on Oct 22!!! Now I see in my mail that the surgery for the 18th >>was APPROVED!! Is this cruel and unusual? My pain has increased >>logarithmically since Aug. I can barely walk and am trying to make it on a >>max of 2 hours of sleep a night and my pain could be way decreased, WAY!!, >>if I had had the surgery before. Why? Is there an answer? I will have to >>deal with this tomorrow but... I am literally close to cutting off my >>feet. Nerve pain sucks and I just don't know what to do. My pain clinic >>seems to think that nerve pain is nothing, like a splinter or hang nail. I >>just couldn't believe my eyes when I opened that letter. I am getting >>closer and closer to the saw. No feet no pain... What's the worst that >>could happen? NOTHING!!!
>>Thanks again guys, I just can't see this getting any worse but each time >>it just does...What have I done? Really I just can't take it.
> Thanks A LOT Lavon. I will take all the help I can get. I feel like I > need a ton right now. Had ANOTHER appt at the clinic today. Wasted 2 > hours of my time. Was told would have surgery next Tues. Then told no > way the tuesday after that one and oh yeah, we might have to take the > whole set-up out of you for a few weeks. Mind you I told them I can't > walk without it... Don't they realize they are dealing with actual > living people???
> Thanks a ton Lavon. I appreciate it more than I can express, > Debs
> cllmd wrote: > > {{{{{{{{{{ Debs }}}}}}}}}
> > Your pain clinic gets the BOZO award, along with my insurance. Do they get > > paid to keep us in pain?
> > Does pressing your foot against something make it better or worse? I can't > > imagine the pain your bear. Hope you don't mind if i pray for ya.
> >>Well... I didn't think that my pain clinic could get any worse than just > >>basically ignoring me but... they have. I checked my mail tonight, haven't > >>done that in a while and what do I find in my mail? What could I have ever > >>found? The ins co OK'd my surgery for Oct 18th and 'somehow'... my pain > >>clinic never knew?? How can it be? My pain Dr said he wanted to do my > >>surgery on Oct 18th. he repeated this to me over and over again on my appt > >>with him on Oct 22!!! Now I see in my mail that the surgery for the 18th > >>was APPROVED!! Is this cruel and unusual? My pain has increased > >>logarithmically since Aug. I can barely walk and am trying to make it on a > >>max of 2 hours of sleep a night and my pain could be way decreased, WAY!!, > >>if I had had the surgery before. Why? Is there an answer? I will have to > >>deal with this tomorrow but... I am literally close to cutting off my > >>feet. Nerve pain sucks and I just don't know what to do. My pain clinic > >>seems to think that nerve pain is nothing, like a splinter or hang nail. I > >>just couldn't believe my eyes when I opened that letter. I am getting > >>closer and closer to the saw. No feet no pain... What's the worst that > >>could happen? NOTHING!!!
> >>Thanks again guys, I just can't see this getting any worse but each time > >>it just does...What have I done? Really I just can't take it.
> >>Debs
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Aloha Debs!
I don't know Debs, There's just something about this whole thing between your insurance company and the doctor and his office that really rubs me the wrong way besides the obvious wrong.
>From what you've said about your most recent appointment and what's
happened in the recent past, there is an "undertone of dishonesty" that I can't seem to shake the feeling of. It's almost like your doctor wants to do something to you that he KNOWS you wouldn't agree to (why he would do this without telling you is beyond my scope of understanding with the few facts I've got). Plus, to add even more mystery to this 'caper', your insurance company may or may not be a "co-conspirator".
Now Debs, I'm NOT telling you this to make you or anyone else paranoid. I've given this a hell of a lot of thought because making us CPer's even MORE leery than we already ARE dealing with the people that sometimes (literally) hold our lives in their very hands is simply something I'd never do on purpose or for ANY reason. I just can't help feeling that if I were you, someone from the insurance company has a LOT OF EXPLAINING TO DO and/or your doctor or his 2nd in command because nothing about how this whole procedure was handled is meshing into anything that comes close to being logical or seems to make any kind of SENSE!
Am I the ONLY ONE that *feels* this way? I've never really thought I've ever been intentionally 'mishandled/mistreated' after the first 18 months of my 10 1/2 years of dealing with any of my docs or my insurance company. At least when something went the wrong way than it was supposed to with me, I always got an answer that may or may not have been the truth, but it was enough to clue me in as to what the REAL truth was. So I have no "underlying" paranoid feeling towards the medical profession. It's simply a feeling I have from what you told us Debs.
It bothers me so much I'd love to have all your contact info for all those involved and be your advocate on this and get to the BOTTOM of this fv(k-up simply because after being taken advantage of for the first 2+ years by the medical profession and then suddenly realizing what "they" had been up to (doing absolutely unnecessary tests of all sorts simply because they KNEW my insurance would cover them without question and padding their pockets with NO REGARD to what "they" were putting me through - some of those tests and procedures are VERY painful or as the nurses aid told me once, "I wouldn't call it "painful", I'd just say it will make you uncomfortable for a little while." -uh, excuse me?!!? Uncomfortable/painful, painful/ uncomfortable...same thing to ME!) has left an extremely sour taste in my mouth. Now, whenever a "test" is done, there'd better be a logical reason for it or I simply refuse to do it. PLUS, when I hear from others like YOU Debs that are being jerked around and left all alone with nobody who seems to give a flying poop about your FEELINGS sets so much RAGE in me I feel like a "Dr. Jekyll/Mr Hyde" at how opposite the personality that comes out in me! No, I'm not bi-polar. At least that's ONE thing my shrink hasn't said about me. LOL!
So..they screwed around with you on the first surgery and they've already started their little "confuse the patient" game on the next. Not only THAT, but the doc wants to do a procedure that will only leave you in PAIN! Whats up with that? Why would he even THINK that way? Doesn't he truly believe that you really ARE in pain?
Answers. Obviously, I need answers and I'd hope to see you be proactive and GET THEM. OK? I'd at least talk to the insurance company and try and find out WHY the doctors office didn't get the needed information on time and if they screw around with you AT ALL, tell them you're writing the State Insurance Commissioner because you never get any CORRECT answers from them. THEN see how fast you get what you WANT. Maybe....OK? If you want help, there's lots of us here that would be happy to and be sure and include ME.
You need care and you're not getting it. I want to see you as physically comfy as I am and I'm being very well taken care of as far as my pain levels and breakthrough (and everything else) goes. Everyone should be like this.
Sorry for the rant everyone. Now I have to go scrape the frost off of my b@!!$! Tsk...
Thanks HW! I will let you know what's going on. Is it OK to email you? I can make more sense when I am not so enraged. :-) Yes the pain clinic is dicking me around. I am trying to deal with it but don't have the energy to do a bang up job. It's really not the ins company; it's the pain clinic. Cruel and unusual. I will email later if you give me the Okie-Dokie.
Thanks again HW! It means a lot to me. I really can't believe I am at a pain clinic that's world renowned (sp?)
Hawaiian Wayne wrote: > On Oct 29, 10:17 am, Deb Schuback <YOURFOOTdebs02...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Thanks A LOT Lavon. I will take all the help I can get. I feel like I >>need a ton right now. Had ANOTHER appt at the clinic today. Wasted 2 >>hours of my time. Was told would have surgery next Tues. Then told no >>way the tuesday after that one and oh yeah, we might have to take the >>whole set-up out of you for a few weeks. Mind you I told them I can't >>walk without it... Don't they realize they are dealing with actual >>living people???
>>Thanks a ton Lavon. I appreciate it more than I can express, >>Debs
>>cllmd wrote:
>>>{{{{{{{{{{ Debs }}}}}}}}}
>>>Your pain clinic gets the BOZO award, along with my insurance. Do they get >>>paid to keep us in pain?
>>>Does pressing your foot against something make it better or worse? I can't >>>imagine the pain your bear. Hope you don't mind if i pray for ya.
>>>>Well... I didn't think that my pain clinic could get any worse than just >>>>basically ignoring me but... they have. I checked my mail tonight, haven't >>>>done that in a while and what do I find in my mail? What could I have ever >>>>found? The ins co OK'd my surgery for Oct 18th and 'somehow'... my pain >>>>clinic never knew?? How can it be? My pain Dr said he wanted to do my >>>>surgery on Oct 18th. he repeated this to me over and over again on my appt >>>>with him on Oct 22!!! Now I see in my mail that the surgery for the 18th >>>>was APPROVED!! Is this cruel and unusual? My pain has increased >>>>logarithmically since Aug. I can barely walk and am trying to make it on a >>>>max of 2 hours of sleep a night and my pain could be way decreased, WAY!!, >>>>if I had had the surgery before. Why? Is there an answer? I will have to >>>>deal with this tomorrow but... I am literally close to cutting off my >>>>feet. Nerve pain sucks and I just don't know what to do. My pain clinic >>>>seems to think that nerve pain is nothing, like a splinter or hang nail. I >>>>just couldn't believe my eyes when I opened that letter. I am getting >>>>closer and closer to the saw. No feet no pain... What's the worst that >>>>could happen? NOTHING!!!
>>>>Thanks again guys, I just can't see this getting any worse but each time >>>>it just does...What have I done? Really I just can't take it.
>>>>Debs
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> Aloha Debs!
> I don't know Debs, There's just something about this whole thing > between your insurance company and the doctor and his office that > really rubs me the wrong way besides the obvious wrong.
>>From what you've said about your most recent appointment and what's > happened in the recent past, there is an "undertone of dishonesty" > that I can't seem to shake the feeling of. It's almost like your > doctor wants to do something to you that he KNOWS you wouldn't agree > to (why he would do this without telling you is beyond my scope of > understanding with the few facts I've got). Plus, to add even more > mystery to this 'caper', your insurance company may or may not be a > "co-conspirator".
> Now Debs, I'm NOT telling you this to make you or anyone else > paranoid. I've given this a hell of a lot of thought because making us > CPer's even MORE leery than we already ARE dealing with the people > that sometimes (literally) hold our lives in their very hands is > simply something I'd never do on purpose or for ANY reason. I just > can't help feeling that if I were you, someone from the insurance > company has a LOT OF EXPLAINING TO DO and/or your doctor or his 2nd in > command because nothing about how this whole procedure was handled is > meshing into anything that comes close to being logical or seems to > make any kind of SENSE!
> Am I the ONLY ONE that *feels* this way? I've never really thought > I've ever been intentionally 'mishandled/mistreated' after the first > 18 months of my 10 1/2 years of dealing with any of my docs or my > insurance company. At least when something went the wrong way than it > was supposed to with me, I always got an answer that may or may not > have been the truth, but it was enough to clue me in as to what the > REAL truth was. So I have no "underlying" paranoid feeling towards the > medical profession. It's simply a feeling I have from what you told us > Debs.
> It bothers me so much I'd love to have all your contact info for all > those involved and be your advocate on this and get to the BOTTOM of > this fv(k-up simply because after being taken advantage of for the > first 2+ years by the medical profession and then suddenly realizing > what "they" had been up to (doing absolutely unnecessary tests of all > sorts simply because they KNEW my insurance would cover them without > question and padding their pockets with NO REGARD to what "they" were > putting me through - some of those tests and procedures are VERY > painful or as the nurses aid told me once, "I wouldn't call it > "painful", I'd just say it will make you uncomfortable for a little > while." -uh, excuse me?!!? Uncomfortable/painful, painful/ > uncomfortable...same thing to ME!) has left an extremely sour taste in > my mouth. Now, whenever a "test" is done, there'd better be a logical > reason for it or I simply refuse to do it. PLUS, when I hear from > others like YOU Debs that are being jerked around and left all alone > with nobody who seems to give a flying poop about your FEELINGS sets > so much RAGE in me I feel like a "Dr. Jekyll/Mr Hyde" at how opposite > the personality that comes out in me! No, I'm not bi-polar. At least > that's ONE thing my shrink hasn't said about me. LOL!
> So..they screwed around with you on the first surgery and they've > already started their little "confuse the patient" game on the next. > Not only THAT, but the doc wants to do a procedure that will only > leave you in PAIN! Whats up with that? Why would he even THINK that > way? Doesn't he truly believe that you really ARE in pain?
> Answers. Obviously, I need answers and I'd hope to see you be > proactive and GET THEM. OK? I'd at least talk to the insurance company > and try and find out WHY the doctors office didn't get the needed > information on time and if they screw around with you AT ALL, tell > them you're writing the State Insurance Commissioner because you never > get any CORRECT answers from them. THEN see how fast you get what you > WANT. Maybe....OK? If you want help, there's lots of us here that > would be happy to and be sure and include ME.
> You need care and you're not getting it. I want to see you as > physically comfy as I am and I'm being very well taken care of as far > as my pain levels and breakthrough (and everything else) goes. > Everyone should be like this.
> Sorry for the rant everyone. Now I have to go scrape the frost off of > my b@!!$! Tsk...
> Thanks HW! I will let you know what's going on. Is it OK to email you? I > can make more sense when I am not so enraged. :-) Yes the pain clinic is > dicking me around. I am trying to deal with it but don't have the energy > to do a bang up job. It's really not the ins company; it's the pain > clinic. Cruel and unusual. I will email later if you give me the > Okie-Dokie.
> Thanks again HW! It means a lot to me. I really can't believe I am at a > pain clinic that's world renowned (sp?)
> Debs
> Hawaiian Wayne wrote: > > On Oct 29, 10:17 am, Deb Schuback <YOURFOOTdebs02...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>Thanks A LOT Lavon. I will take all the help I can get. I feel like I > >>need a ton right now. Had ANOTHER appt at the clinic today. Wasted 2 > >>hours of my time. Was told would have surgery next Tues. Then told no > >>way the tuesday after that one and oh yeah, we might have to take the > >>whole set-up out of you for a few weeks. Mind you I told them I can't > >>walk without it... Don't they realize they are dealing with actual > >>living people???
> >>Thanks a ton Lavon. I appreciate it more than I can express, > >>Debs
> >>cllmd wrote:
> >>>{{{{{{{{{{ Debs }}}}}}}}}
> >>>Your pain clinic gets the BOZO award, along with my insurance. Do they get > >>>paid to keep us in pain?
> >>>Does pressing your foot against something make it better or worse? I can't > >>>imagine the pain your bear. Hope you don't mind if i pray for ya.
> >>>>Well... I didn't think that my pain clinic could get any worse than just > >>>>basically ignoring me but... they have. I checked my mail tonight, haven't > >>>>done that in a while and what do I find in my mail? What could I have ever > >>>>found? The ins co OK'd my surgery for Oct 18th and 'somehow'... my pain > >>>>clinic never knew?? How can it be? My pain Dr said he wanted to do my > >>>>surgery on Oct 18th. he repeated this to me over and over again on my appt > >>>>with him on Oct 22!!! Now I see in my mail that the surgery for the 18th > >>>>was APPROVED!! Is this cruel and unusual? My pain has increased > >>>>logarithmically since Aug. I can barely walk and am trying to make it on a > >>>>max of 2 hours of sleep a night and my pain could be way decreased, WAY!!, > >>>>if I had had the surgery before. Why? Is there an answer? I will have to > >>>>deal with this tomorrow but... I am literally close to cutting off my > >>>>feet. Nerve pain sucks and I just don't know what to do. My pain clinic > >>>>seems to think that nerve pain is nothing, like a splinter or hang nail. I > >>>>just couldn't believe my eyes when I opened that letter. I am getting > >>>>closer and closer to the saw. No feet no pain... What's the worst that > >>>>could happen? NOTHING!!!
> >>>>Thanks again guys, I just can't see this getting any worse but each time > >>>>it just does...What have I done? Really I just can't take it.
> >>>>Debs
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> > Aloha Debs!
> > I don't know Debs, There's just something about this whole thing > > between your insurance company and the doctor and his office that > > really rubs me the wrong way besides the obvious wrong.
> >>From what you've said about your most recent appointment and what's > > happened in the recent past, there is an "undertone of dishonesty" > > that I can't seem to shake the feeling of. It's almost like your > > doctor wants to do something to you that he KNOWS you wouldn't agree > > to (why he would do this without telling you is beyond my scope of > > understanding with the few facts I've got). Plus, to add even more > > mystery to this 'caper', your insurance company may or may not be a > > "co-conspirator".
> > Now Debs, I'm NOT telling you this to make you or anyone else > > paranoid. I've given this a hell of a lot of thought because making us > > CPer's even MORE leery than we already ARE dealing with the people > > that sometimes (literally) hold our lives in their very hands is > > simply something I'd never do on purpose or for ANY reason. I just > > can't help feeling that if I were you, someone from the insurance > > company has a LOT OF EXPLAINING TO DO and/or your doctor or his 2nd in > > command because nothing about how this whole procedure was handled is > > meshing into anything that comes close to being logical or seems to > > make any kind of SENSE!
> > Am I the ONLY ONE that *feels* this way? I've never really thought > > I've ever been intentionally 'mishandled/mistreated' after the first > > 18 months of my 10 1/2 years of dealing with any of my docs or my > > insurance company. At least when something went the wrong way than it > > was supposed to with me, I always got an answer that may or may not > > have been the truth, but it was enough to clue me in as to what the > > REAL truth was. So I have no "underlying" paranoid feeling towards the > > medical profession. It's simply a feeling I have from what you told us > > Debs.
> > It bothers me so much I'd love to have all your contact info for all > > those involved and be your advocate on this and get to the BOTTOM of > > this fv(k-up simply because after being taken advantage of for the > > first 2+ years by the medical profession and then suddenly realizing > > what "they" had been up to (doing absolutely unnecessary tests of all > > sorts simply because they KNEW my insurance would cover them without > > question and padding their pockets with NO REGARD to what "they" were > > putting me through - some of those tests and procedures are VERY > > painful or as the nurses aid told me once, "I wouldn't call it > > "painful", I'd just say it will make you uncomfortable for a little > > while." -uh, excuse me?!!? Uncomfortable/painful, painful/ > > uncomfortable...same thing to ME!) has left an extremely sour taste in > > my mouth. Now, whenever a "test" is done, there'd better be a logical > > reason for it or I simply refuse to do it. PLUS, when I hear from > > others like YOU Debs that are being jerked around and left all alone > > with nobody who seems to give a flying poop about your FEELINGS sets > > so much RAGE in me I feel like a "Dr. Jekyll/Mr Hyde" at how opposite > > the personality that comes out in me! No, I'm not bi-polar. At least > > that's ONE thing my shrink hasn't said about me. LOL!
> > So..they screwed around with you on the first surgery and they've > > already started their little "confuse the patient" game on the next. > > Not only THAT, but the doc wants to do a procedure that will only > > leave you in PAIN! Whats up with that? Why would he even THINK that > > way? Doesn't he truly believe that you really ARE in pain?
> > Answers. Obviously, I need answers and I'd hope to see you be > > proactive and GET THEM. OK? I'd at least talk to the insurance company > > and try and find out WHY the doctors office didn't get the needed > > information on time and if they screw around with you AT ALL, tell > > them you're writing the State Insurance Commissioner because you never > > get any CORRECT answers from them. THEN see how fast you get what you > > WANT. Maybe....OK? If you want help, there's lots of us here that > > would be happy to and be sure and include ME.
> > You need care and you're not getting it. I want to see you as > > physically comfy as I am and I'm being very well taken care of as far > > as my pain levels and breakthrough (and everything else) goes. > > Everyone should be like this.
> > Sorry for the rant everyone. Now I have to go scrape the frost off of > > my b@!!$! Tsk...
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Aloha Debs!
Sorry for the late response, I've had a lousey day with pain and just being totally tired (plus, a couple of my normally wonderful teeth have decided to surprise me with some mild aching...AAARRGGG!
Absolutely! Anyone and EVERYONE may email me if and when the reason or desire comes up. My email is exactly what it says in my profile. Ha! When I joined I didn't know that 99% of the membership used fake profiles so I filled mine out just enough to let people contact me if they wanted. I always figure if I don't like whoever is emailing me, I can always block them. I can't remember doing THAT for YEARS and years!
Yes. This treatment you are dealing with absolutely smells to high heaven to me. I'm willing to help in any way I possibly can. I hope you see this.
Maybe I already have your email. If so, I'll send this to YOU. So if you don't see anything, that means I don't have it.
