More Stupidity
REP
self-indulgent, navel-gazing posts (and I fear every day that this is some
ugly side effect of diabetes) but this post* was especially barfalicious:
"We lost our baby almost three weeks ago. I was 5 months pregnant... This
is the hardest thing I ever had to deal with .....I guess by writing and
telling all of you it is helping in some way to talk about what
happened..... the good thing in this whole ugly ordeal was that it was not
my sugar that was the fault.... unfortunately it was my age or so they
say...... the baby would have had severe downs syndrome.....and also would
have had a severe malformation on his left leg...... but other then that he
would have been a beautiful baby. We did get to hold him and all so that
helped..."
Of course this breeder, who has a dangerous hereditary disease, has a bunch
of living children to whom she could have spread the disease. Notice that
though the miscarriage was blamed on her age (women over 35 are more likely
to have pregnancies that result in Down's Syndrome children) she overlooks
that and is relieved her sugar control wasn't to blame.
*I removed the headers as the people at asd have enough problems just being
them.
ygrii
REP wrote in message ...
>alt.support.diabetes is always fertile ground for finding truly
>self-indulgent, navel-gazing posts (and I fear every day that this is some
>ugly side effect of diabetes) but this post* was especially barfalicious:
>
>"We lost our baby almost three weeks ago. I was 5 months pregnant... This
>is the hardest thing I ever had to deal with .....I guess by writing and
>telling all of you it is helping in some way to talk about what
>happened..... the good thing in this whole ugly ordeal was that it was not
>my sugar that was the fault.... unfortunately it was my age or so they
>say...... the baby would have had severe downs syndrome.....and also would
>have had a severe malformation on his left leg...... but other then that he
>would have been a beautiful baby. We did get to hold him and all so that
>helped..."
This anecdote illustrates my CF attitude. I've never really understood why
people are so upset by miscarriages or the death of an infant. My first
reaction is usually, "So what? It was just a baby."
Of course I must live with a horrible birth defect. You see, I was born
without that part of the brain that makes you LUU-UUU-UUUV BAY-BEEZE. At
least my condition saves me from people at work who pass around photos of
newborns. They've tired of me calling their little fleshdumplings "ugly."
Susan C. Mitchell
: x-no-archive:yes
: REP <r...@inanna.com> wrote in message
: news:rep-ya02408000R...@news.pacbell.net...
: >
: >
: >Quoted another person on another group:
: > "We lost our baby almost three weeks ago. I was 5 months pregnant...
: This
: > is the hardest thing I ever had to deal with ...<snip> .... the good
: thing in this whole >ugly ordeal was that it was not
: > my sugar that was the fault.... unfortunately it was my age or so they
: > say...... the baby would have had severe downs syndrome.....and also
: would
: > have had a severe malformation on his left leg...... but other then that
: he
: > would have been a beautiful baby. We did get to hold him and all so that
: > helped..."
: >
: snip
: Let me make sure I understand this correctly. She was diabetic first then
: got pregnant? She said the child would have had downs syndrome and a severe
: malformation on his leg but otherwise would have been beautiful? She's in
: severe denial about the effects of problem blood sugar levels on pregnancy?
: If I'm correct here, then we can only hope that this idiot will never again
: be pregnant. UGH!!!
A friend of mine, who suffers from severe chronic migraine, found a gem on
alt.support.headaches.migraine a couple of months back and emailed it to
me. Herewith:
****************************************************************
Hello everyone,
Thank you so much for the overwhelming responds to my
last email call, looking for all of you who had been
corresponding to me via emails. I kind of know who my
friends are. It's always nice to know.
Anyway I am not up right now to complain of the four
total responses I got. Heck just because some one is down
and out, doesn't get on line long enough to find out her
email system no longer works, and she loses everyones
address, and now almost none of those old friends are
talking to her any more....that's nothing to complain
about, and I am not.
I am actually here to beg for help. I am on 5mg of
Methdone in the AM and then again in the PM. I tried
Morphine 10 mg with no relief. The methadone works, to a
apoint, then it stops. I don't want to complain about this
heavy narc, makes me soudn like a drug addict looking for a
better high. I just want something that I can take and get
some sort of relief for at least a full day without feeling
like I have been out of it for three or four days. On
Methadone I have lost days, I have no idea where they went.
I wake up and its MOnday, and then what feels like 24 may
48 hours later its Friday. I don't know wyhat to make of
it. Or explain why I have done nothing all week, even
things I had planned and wanted to do. I might have only
taken Methadone on Monday also. No more drugs all week, but
still I feel lost and confused. I need help.
I am going stir crazy without realizing I am taking it out
on my husband, and possibly on my step daughter. I attepmt
to control my temper, which never seems to work, and then I
hate myself for having lost control, or over reaacted. ik
don't hit, but my tongue can be every sharp. I learned from
two pros growing up that a tongue, and quick wit can hurt
for a lot longer then a hit across the check.
So help. Is there anything else that I can take that will
work well. I have tried almost every other narc out there.
I am trying to get pregnant, actually using fert drugs, and
I am a diabetic. I can't take the pain, and I can't take
the feeling of helplessness. Please let me know of any
remedies, or of a way out of teh confusing times I am in.
Any tricks not to lose so much time.
Email me if you want at (******@*******)
Thanks for listening. I need to vent and I know this is the
place to do it, and possibly get a response.
********************************************************
Okay, so we've got a woman (actually my friend used the phrase "stupid
sow") who's on heavy prescription narcotics. She's close to acting
violently against her family. (That bit about how "a tongue, and quick
wit can hurt for a lot longer then a hit across the check" struck me as
suggesting that she might be trying to convince herself that it
*reeeeally* wouldn't be all *thaaat* bad if she were to start whacking the
stepdaughter around.) She's having multi-day BLACKOUTS. She has
diabetes. She has what may or may not be severe migraines. And she has,
to borrow my friend's apt description, "the emotional maturity of a
six-year-old with ADD" (gotta love the think-I'll-go-eat-worms self-pity
of the first two paragraphs!).
OBVIOUSLY, the thing to do is to give this woman FERTILITY DRUGS. I mean,
Ghodz forbid that she might not be able to have a BAAAAYYYBEEEEEEE of her
very own to ... um ... love.
Think globally, act locally.
Susan
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JesterKat
words of cybernetic fire:
>alt.support.diabetes is always fertile ground for finding truly
>self-indulgent, navel-gazing posts (and I fear every day that this is some
>ugly side effect of diabetes)
*snork* I tried lurking there. For about two days. I wasn't bothered
so much by the navel-gazing as by the horrific things that they were
posting as *good* news: "Hey guys, guess what! I don't have to have my
foot amputated after all!"
I found out there's another insulin-dependent diabetic in my
office--she told me she'd looked into getting an individual health
insurance plan for herself. The lowest quote she could get was $1500 a
month. :-(
---JesterKat, who's agonna be a gubmint flunky, but a flunky with
bennies, for a long, long time
Keine Kinder
"ygrii" <yg...@dmrtc.net> wrote:
>
> This anecdote illustrates my CF attitude. I've never really
understood why
> people are so upset by miscarriages or the death of an infant. My
first
> reaction is usually, "So what? It was just a baby."
>
> Of course I must live with a horrible birth defect. You see, I was
born
> without that part of the brain that makes you LUU-UUU-UUUV BAY-
BEEZE. At
> least my condition saves me from people at work who pass around
photos of
> newborns. They've tired of me calling their little
fleshdumplings "ugly."
Well, I have a different take on the whole thing with miscarriages and
stillbirths (this is coming from someone who has an ex with cerebal
palsy who wants to have children - IMNSHO a baby will be no consolation
for me losing a friend and a former lover should things go wrong):
"Be glad it was your baby and not YOU."
-Shauntee
--
'People pay for what they do, and still more,
for what they have allowed themselves to become.
And they pay for it simply: by the lives they
lead.' - James Baldwin
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Jason G
>say...... the baby would have had severe downs syndrome.....and also would
>have had a severe malformation on his left leg...... but other then that he
>would have been a beautiful baby. We did get to hold him and all so that
>helped..."
Gross. They held a dead fetus? Yuck-o-rama.
Severely retarded and hideously deformed, but other than that, he was perfect!
Oookaaaaaay.
--
Jason G
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You must be precise and consistent, all the while driving so fast
you can barely concentrate." -- Mark Sirota
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Renee
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>Keine Kinder wrote:
>
>> "ygrii" wrote:
>>
>> > This anecdote illustrates my CF attitude. I've never really
>> understood why
>> > people are so upset by miscarriages or the death of an infant. My
>> first
>> > reaction is usually, "So what? It was just a baby."
>
>I see miscarriage as nature working the way it should. If a fetus is
>malformed, it is not supposed to make it to full term.
>
I have some difficult moments, because Hubby's best friend and his
wife have had 2 rather late (6 month-ish) m!scarriages. They are
devastated, and their doctors are baffled - apparently both feti were
hale & hearty, and no cause of demise was found.
I, on the other hand, am almost relieved. I care that they are upset,
of course. I am distressed *that they are distressed*, but still... I
also figure that it means there was something wrong. And I am glad
that Hubby won't see a friend's baybee and get a batch of
"what-if-itis" (he's rather fond of k!ds, and would happily father and
raise any, were I inclined to gestate them). But I do feel that social
obligation to be all sympathetic. I am genuinely biting my tongue a
lot of the time, though.
Renee
Parry Riposte
r...@inanna.com (REP) wrote:
> alt.support.diabetes is always fertile ground for finding truly
> self-indulgent, navel-gazing posts (and I fear every day that this is
some
barfalicious:
>
pregnant... This
and
> telling all of you it is helping in some way to talk about what
was not
> my sugar that was the fault.... unfortunately it was my age or so they
would
> have had a severe malformation on his left leg...... but other then
that he
> would have been a beautiful baby. We did get to hold him and all so
that
> helped..."
>
bunch
> of living children to whom she could have spread the disease. Notice
that
> though the miscarriage was blamed on her age (women over 35 are more
likely
> to have pregnancies that result in Down's Syndrome children) she
overlooks
> that and is relieved her sugar control wasn't to blame.
>
> *I removed the headers as the people at asd have enough problems just
being
> them.
>
If you're looking for a first class bunch of self-indulgent navel-
gazers who want society to provide them with everything, including
major body organs at a few $100K a pop, with lifetime care and meds of
course, while they reproduce, you should read bit.listserv.transplant.
I couldn't believe it!!!
arcan...@my-deja.com
> alt.support.diabetes is always fertile ground for finding truly
> self-indulgent, navel-gazing posts
<snip>
> Of course this breeder, who has a dangerous hereditary disease, has a
bunch
> of living children to whom she could have spread the disease.
<vent>
Oh, doesn't THIS sound familiar. Dontcha just love those breeders with
hereditary diseases who produce little sproglings like it was going out
of style. Especially when they don't show the remotest concern for
either the caregiver spouse who has to take care of BOTH a child AND a
partner with a potentially incapacitating disease, or the child who now
has to deal with the same health problems that make the original
breeder's life hell. Gotta just LOVE those selfish wastes of space.
Towards the end of the relationship, my depressive-and-wouldn't-get-
treated ex was just frantic for me to bear his baby, despite the fact
that I had told him for YEARS that I wasn't going to have ANY kids, and
wouldn't have even if he had been healthier than Jack La Lane, with a
DNA-strand so perfect that Gattaca Corp. would hav shit themselves to
recruit him.
Every so often I read alt.support.depression to strengthen my resolve
to keep this man COMPLETELY out of my life, especially when he lurks
around the edges of my social circle with his patented "poor little me,
I've been suicidal for years, but I've got a million reasons why I
can't be expected to take my meds" schtick.
He'll even still leave "I'm glad you're happy with your new fiance, cuz
*I* feel life isn't worth living" messages on my answering machine, of
course carefully designed to demand all my attention with veiled
threats of self-harm. Oh feeeeeeeel for depressive meeeeeee, you
selfish happily childfree person! But oh no, I can't take my PROZAC,
it depresses my SEX drive, and I want to be a FATHER someday!
Yep, this man is REALLY someone destined to convert me to breederism,
all right. Ye gawds, imagine knowing someone who drones on and on like
THIS for years. (Actual post from alt.support.depression, names and
headers removed.)
> Here's my philosophy on why my mind provides the thought "I want to
> die": When I am sane and rational, I know that I don't want to die.
> When my blackness is upon me, though, and my vision has narrowed to a
> tunnel that goes only as far as my toes, I forget that I don't want to
> die. All I can focus on is ending the pain of living. Not even
> thoughts of my children can shake it - I assume they'd be better off
> without me. I pull them down. I pull everybody around me down. Or so
> it seems when the blackness and tunnel vision are upon me.
Keerist, if only these people could SEE what they're doing! Having a
kids doesn't have the slightest curative effect on any chronic or
mental illness! KIDS ARE NOT PROZAC!!! If you suffer from a chronic
ailment and insist on being a parent, then you will only COMPOUND your
problems, and the problems of your already beleaguered caregiver
(remember HIM OR HER???) who has to raise that kid in addition to
caring for YOUR ass!
The ONLY constructive thing you can do if you've got a chronic and
hereditary health problem is:
1) Faithfully cooperate with your therapy. NO excuses.
2) Do NOT breed.
</vent>
Ah, THAT'S better.
Sorry, you guys, but I ran into that fucker at a mutual friend's party
and have been having what Mr. Rose calls an "asshole flashback" for the
last few days. The dear Mister is most excellent at treating them with
kisses and hugs, though. Ye gawds but I love him.
Cheers,
Rose
John & Mari Morgan
<jest...@lostmymindspring.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:15:45 -0700, r...@inanna.com (REP) inscribed, in
>words of cybernetic fire:
>
>>alt.support.diabetes is always fertile ground for finding truly
>>self-indulgent, navel-gazing posts (and I fear every day that this is some
>>ugly side effect of diabetes)
>
>*snork* I tried lurking there. For about two days. I wasn't bothered
>so much by the navel-gazing as by the horrific things that they were
>posting as *good* news: "Hey guys, guess what! I don't have to have my
>foot amputated after all!"
*wry grin* Living with my diabetic dad, I can actually understand that
being good news. We went through an awful lot of those moments. It was
like the _real_ good news just wasn't going to happen, so the news
that bad things weren't going to happen ended up being good news
because otherwise there wasn't going to be any good news at all, ever.
I find I do the same thing with my own health problems. I celebrated
for days on end and told everyone I knew when I found out definitively
that I didn't have MS. :-)
BTW, I think the navel-gazing self-indulgence is a common feature of
all the illness-related newsgroups. They happened in spades on the
various fibromyalgia and CFS newsgroups, and if you dared call someone
on it you were vilified. (Which is why I no longer go to _any_ of
those newsgroups. Well, that and the atrocious spelling and grammar
that's routinely excused as "brain fog" even when they render posts
entirely unreadable. Urk. Insufficient patience on my part.)
Mari
John & Mari Morgan
<sus...@primenet.SPAMWALL.com> wrote:
(quoting someone else from alt.support.migr@ine)
> I am actually here to beg for help. I am on 5mg of
> Methdone in the AM and then again in the PM. I tried
> Morphine 10 mg with no relief. The methadone works, to a
> apoint, then it stops. I don't want to complain about this
> heavy narc, makes me soudn like a drug addict looking for a
> better high. I just want something that I can take and get
> some sort of relief for at least a full day without feeling
> like I have been out of it for three or four days. On
> Methadone I have lost days, I have no idea where they went.
> I wake up and its MOnday, and then what feels like 24 may
> 48 hours later its Friday. I don't know wyhat to make of
> it. Or explain why I have done nothing all week, even
> things I had planned and wanted to do. I might have only
> taken Methadone on Monday also. No more drugs all week, but
> still I feel lost and confused. I need help.
This sounds more like a psych problem to me, because that's the dose
of methadone (it is a very effective pain medication, I don't take it
for addiction) I take, a bit more during especially bad flares, and I
have never, ever had blackouts. I do realize that different people
react differently to medications, but this is unreal. I'm appalled
that she has someone prescribing this medication to her that isn't
aware of what's going on - it's not like this stuff is routinely
handed out with minimal review like antidepressants (I speak from
personal experience on that one, so don't jump on me). I have to fight
for it, and my mental state is rechecked on a regular basis. Yay for
medical mismanagement. :-(
> So help. Is there anything else that I can take that will
> work well. I have tried almost every other narc out there.
> I am trying to get pregnant, actually using fert drugs, and
> I am a diabetic. I can't take the pain, and I can't take
> the feeling of helplessness. Please let me know of any
> remedies, or of a way out of teh confusing times I am in.
> Any tricks not to lose so much time.
Shoot me. Shoot me now. Firstly, getting pregnant while using heavy
narcotics is idiotic - fucks up the kid something fierce. (My last
pain clinic strongly advised women who were of childbearing age to use
contraception while using pain meds, so they didn't mess up a fetus by
accident.) Secondly, attempting to have a kid while you're losing days
or weeks to blackouts suggests nothing short of insanity to me. How
would she expect to be able to care for it? We'd have another
microwaved baby in no time. And thirdly, if she "can't take the pain"
NOW how on earth does she think reproducing is going to ease that
pain? Something tells me the pain she's talking about isn't all
headache. Fourthly, _anyone_ who would knowingly inflict on a child a
chronically ill parent is a sadist, and not in a good way. That goes
thousandfold for the mother, AFAIC.
Mari
Renee
>In article <rep-ya02408000R...@news.pacbell.net>,
> r...@inanna.com (REP) wrote:
>
>> alt.support.diabetes is always fertile ground for finding truly
>> self-indulgent, navel-gazing posts
>
><snip>
>
>> Of course this breeder, who has a dangerous hereditary disease, has a
>bunch
>> of living children to whom she could have spread the disease.
>
><vent>
>
>Oh, doesn't THIS sound familiar. Dontcha just love those breeders with
>hereditary diseases who produce little sproglings like it was going out
>of style. Especially when they don't show the remotest concern for
>either the caregiver spouse who has to take care of BOTH a child AND a
>partner with a potentially incapacitating disease, or the child who now
>has to deal with the same health problems that make the original
>breeder's life hell. Gotta just LOVE those selfish wastes of space.
It infuriates me. I think I posted this before, but I had a real fight
with my MIL about that. She claimed that looove was the most important
thing, and having a child with "problems" wasn't that bad, and that
the chance of some diseases being passed on was only 25%, some even
less.
I grabbed the nearest goodies I had, which I think were jellybeans. I
picked out a blue one, and asked her if she would have let her kids
eat that jellybean if there was a 25% chance that them eating it would
give them diabetes. What about a 20% chance of leukemia? What about a
10% chance of Down Syndrome? Maybe a 5% chance of schizophrenia? No?
It would be cruel, inhumane and evil to take that chance? Awww, just a
10% chance! Let them have the blue jellybean! No? You're Too
Responsible to let them eat a jellybean that had a 25% chance of
giving them diabetes? Well, then why, precisely, is it okay to *breed*
a kid that has a 25% chance of having a disease as bad or worse? Hell,
some inherited diseases have a 50% rate. If it's "cruel" to give a kid
a jellybean that might leave them diseased, why would birthing them be
different?
What is the difference, indeed. If you know the odds are there, YOU
are the evil, cruel, selfish idiot in the equation. Breeding can *be*
that blue jellybean.
Renee
Susan C. Mitchell
What about cases where there are more blue jellybeans than any other
color? I'm thinking of a TV documentary I saw some years back, about a
married couple who both had achondroplasia. This is caused by a dominant
gene.
This couple chose to have a child, knowing that there was a 25% chance it
would inherit a normal gene from each of them, and thus be of normal
height; a 50% chance it would inherit one normal and one affected gene,
and thus be an achondroplastic dwarf, as they both were; and a 25% chance
it would inherit *two* affected genes, suffer from reinforced
achondroplasia, be born with almost no limbs at all, and die in the first
weeks after birth.
Which is, as it turned out, exactly what happened. I recall that it lived
for no more than a few days.
But *we* are the selfish ones.
JesterKat
<john...@gis.net> inscribed, in words of cybernetic fire:
>>*snork* I tried lurking there. For about two days. I wasn't bothered
>>so much by the navel-gazing as by the horrific things that they were
>>posting as *good* news: "Hey guys, guess what! I don't have to have my
>>foot amputated after all!"
>
>*wry grin* Living with my diabetic dad, I can actually understand that
>being good news. We went through an awful lot of those moments. It was
>like the _real_ good news just wasn't going to happen, so the news
>that bad things weren't going to happen ended up being good news
>because otherwise there wasn't going to be any good news at all, ever.
I do understand it--I've done it a bit myself. Example: last year one
of my doctors heard a slight heart murmur. Knowing that diabetics are
susceptible to heart disease, he referred me to a cardiologist. Turns
out I have a bivalve something-or-other instead of a trivalve
something-or-other, an oddity that about 6% of the population has, and
not a problem at all. But I wanted to be absolutely clear about this,
so I asked the guy, "Now, this has nothing to do with my diabetes,
right?" "Nope, you'd have this anyway." This made me feel *wonderful.*
The best one was the eye doctor a couple of years ago. I was there for
my annual tortu--- um, examination, which for me includes being
checked for signs of diabetic retinopathy. After it was all done, and
I was sitting there watching the big multicolored shadows jumping all
over the room (ain't dilation *fun*?), the doctor came back and said,
"Well, your eyes are absolutely fine. If I hadn't known you were
diabetic, I wouldn't have been able to tell by looking at your eyes."
That was one of the best gifts I've ever received in my life. I almost
hugged her. ;-)
---JesterKat
IleneB
A young (25) co-worker of mine has a very damaged baby, who is expected
to likely die within a year or so. She had all the tests relatively
late in the pregnancy (like five months, I think) that showed pieces of
the brain missing. She said she and her husband "wanted to give the
baby a chance." The baby now has the chance of frequent seizures, is
blind and retarded and can do very little of her normal age. Co-worker
is out half the time with medical emergencies.
Oh, and husband has mild fibrosomething- the "elephant man disease"
which is hereditary.
Ilene B
In article <8slcq0$3sb$1...@nnrp1.phx.gblx.net>, Susan C. Mitchell
Voice of Reason
ygrii wrote in message <5Z9H5.374$qj2....@news.goodnet.com>...
>This anecdote illustrates my CF attitude. I've never really understood why
>people are so upset by miscarriages or the death of an infant. My first
>reaction is usually, "So what? It was just a baby."
I agree completely. Babies are a dime a dozen. How can you get attached to a
fetus? If it croaks, BFD -- go make another one. It's the last time you're
going to have any fun for the next 18 years anyway -- might as well make the
most of it.
Voice of Reason
Renee,
Your analogy is wonderful!
You have your head on straight and your morals as well. I think it is the
epitome of selfishness, arrogance, and evil to breed when you know there is
a good chance your kiddies will inherit some horrible disease.
Maybe it's like a tree that has caught a fatal disease -- you know how they
dump a triple heavy crop of seeds as their dying gasp in the last few
seasons before they give up the ghost. Maybe breeders are the same way.
Slaves to their biological instincts. Unable to rise above their purely
animal heritage, because the neocortex parts of their brains are so weak and
ineffective and obviously underdeveloped.
Now too bad that those whose neocortexes are the most highly evolved are by
definition the ones who are too smart to breed and pass this intelligence on
to the FYUUUUUUUUUUture of humanity and create an idyllic Utopia where all
is peace and love and plenty.
We are doomed to live in a welter of bumbling, selfish, back-biting
stupidity.
At least we have jelly beans to console us.
Voice
Renee wrote in message <39ee11c8...@nntp.uunet.ca>...
>asked her if she would have let her kids
>eat that jellybean if there was a 25% chance that them eating it would
>give them diabetes. What about a 20% chance of leukemia? What about a
>10% chance of Down Syndrome? Maybe a 5% chance of schizophrenia?
>
>What is the difference, indeed. If you know the odds are there, YOU
>are the evil, cruel, selfish idiot in the equation. Breeding can *be*
>that blue jellybean.
>
>Renee
arcan...@my-deja.com
Renee & Susan, you two are SOOOOOOOOOOOOO completely right. Ye gawds,
but it's refreshing to hear intelligent people in agreement with the
decision I made years ago. Does my heart good, especially when I had
so many "friends" counseling me that having that slob's baby would have
been SO good for me. (These, of course, were the same people who later
gave me shit for not "curing" him on love and fresh air alone, which I
surely could have done if I was a Good Woman.)
Indeed, the whole "it is a mathematical certainty" genetic-defect
problem is part of why I'm so stalwartly CF. In my immediate family,
we've got one case of clinical depression, which raises my chances of
giving birth to a depressive child to about 35%. We've also got one
schizophrenic, which also gives me about a 35% chance of giving birth
to a child with THAT disorder.
My siblings who have the aforesaid disorders both take their meds
faithfully and lead close to normal lives, and I love them dearly and
I'm prouder than hell of them, but I know that both of them would give
anything to NOT have had to deal with their respective conditions.
And I also know damned well that not everyone is a success story, like
them. If my parents hadn't had the money to get both of them the best
medical care, and if they hadn't chosen to cooperate with treatment,
who's to say that the two of them couldn't have ended up....I shudder
to even think of what could have happened to them.
If I had given in to the constant pressure and birthed my ex's child,
seeing as how the sprog would have had a mother with a high likelihood
of being a genetic carrier for not one but TWO mental illnesses, PLUS a
father who had serious case of manic depression -- my hypothetical
child wouldn't have stood a chance.
But of course it's only the "selfish" CF partner who thinks of what the
hypothetical child might have endured. These days, I'm wondering if I
won't be able to use the "bad genetic heritage" card to wheedle a
doctor into performing a tubal for me as soon as I hit 30 in about 13
months. Wish me luck!
Cheers,
Rose
P.S. Some acquaintance told me and Mr. Rose the other day that we
should breed, because that way we could pass on my "beautiful blonde
hair." I didn't have the heart to tell her it's a dye job.
In article <8slcq0$3sb$1...@nnrp1.phx.gblx.net>,
"Susan C. Mitchell" <sus...@primenet.SPAMWALL.com> wrote:
> : picked out a blue one, and asked her if she would have let her kids
> : eat that jellybean if there was a 25% chance that them eating it
would
> : give them diabetes. What about a 20% chance of leukemia? What about
a
> : 10% chance of Down Syndrome? Maybe a 5% chance of schizophrenia? No?
> : It would be cruel, inhumane and evil to take that chance? Awww,
just a
> : 10% chance! Let them have the blue jellybean! No? You're Too
> : Responsible to let them eat a jellybean that had a 25% chance of
> : giving them diabetes? Well, then why, precisely, is it okay to
*breed*
> : a kid that has a 25% chance of having a disease as bad or worse?
Hell,
> : some inherited diseases have a 50% rate. If it's "cruel" to give a
kid
> : a jellybean that might leave them diseased, why would birthing them
be
> : different?
>
> : What is the difference, indeed. If you know the odds are there, YOU
> : are the evil, cruel, selfish idiot in the equation. Breeding can
*be*
> : that blue jellybean.
>
> What about cases where there are more blue jellybeans than any other
> color? I'm thinking of a TV documentary I saw some years back, about
a
> married couple who both had achondroplasia. This is caused by a
dominant
> gene.
>
> This couple chose to have a child, knowing that there was a 25%
chance it
> would inherit a normal gene from each of them, and thus be of normal
> height; a 50% chance it would inherit one normal and one affected
gene,
> and thus be an achondroplastic dwarf, as they both were; and a 25%
chance
> it would inherit *two* affected genes, suffer from reinforced
> achondroplasia, be born with almost no limbs at all, and die in the
first
> weeks after birth.
>
> Which is, as it turned out, exactly what happened. I recall that it
lived
> for no more than a few days.
>
> But *we* are the selfish ones.
brahead
>(Actual post from alt.support.depression, names and
>headers removed.)
>
>> Here's my philosophy on why my mind provides the thought "I want to
>> die": When I am sane and rational, I know that I don't want to die.
>> When my blackness is upon me, though, and my vision has narrowed to a
>> tunnel that goes only as far as my toes, I forget that I don't want to
>> die. All I can focus on is ending the pain of living. Not even
>> thoughts of my children can shake it - I assume they'd be better off
>> without me. I pull them down. I pull everybody around me down. Or so
>> it seems when the blackness and tunnel vision are upon me.
>
>Keerist, if only these people could SEE what they're doing! Having a
>kids doesn't have the slightest curative effect on any chronic or
>mental illness! KIDS ARE NOT PROZAC!!! If you suffer from a chronic
>ailment and insist on being a parent, then you will only COMPOUND your
>problems, and the problems of your already beleaguered caregiver
>(remember HIM OR HER???) who has to raise that kid in addition to
>caring for YOUR ass!
>
>The ONLY constructive thing you can do if you've got a chronic and
>hereditary health problem is:
>
>1) Faithfully cooperate with your therapy. NO excuses.
>2) Do NOT breed.
>
*snip*
While I wholeheartedly agree with you that people with chronic,
hereditary physical and mental health problems should not breed, and
should not expect their children to be their cure, I feel the need (as
a depressive) to point out that mental illness is not always a
lifelong ailment. In many cases, it may not strike until middle age or
so. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was some
correlation to having kids and being depressed; but, for many people,
the depression does not manifest until later in life, after they have
been married, and after they have had children.
Tom
IleneB
Dunno. Maybe the organs are no better than the rest of this damaged,
suffering train wreck.
Ilene B
In article <c7qtusgeua2efclr6...@4ax.com>, Magda
<anti...@easynet.fr> wrote:
> Is she *at least* planning to donate the baby's organs when it's dead ? Or are
> breeders even more selfish than we think ?
John & Mari Morgan
<computer...@exite.com> wrote:
>x-no-archive:yes
>
>John & Mari Morgan <john...@gis.net> wrote in message
>news:l0prus47veohta899...@4ax.com...
>
>snip
>>
>> This sounds more like a psych problem to me, because that's the dose
>> of methadone (it is a very effective pain medication, I don't take
>> for addiction) I take, a bit more during especially bad flares, and I
>> have never, ever had blackouts. I do realize that different people
>> react differently to medications, but this is unreal.
>>
>I can't speak for the methadone, but I can remember begging for the morphine
>while recovering from a bone infection.
>
>Mari, could it be the combination of the two that's causing the blackouts?
>I have no idea--just a thought.
It's possible, although I didn't get the impression she was taking the
two at the same time. I do know that, speaking for myself, I had
fairly large amounts of multiple narcotics in my system (butorphanol -
nice stuff - and morphine) the first night after my tubal and oh boy,
was I "there." Hell, I wish I had blacked out, that was a miserable
night.
>> Shoot me. Shoot me now. Firstly, getting pregnant while using heavy
>> narcotics is idiotic - fucks up the kid something fierce. (My last
>> pain clinic strongly advised women who were of childbearing age to use
>> contraception while using pain meds, so they didn't mess up a fetus by
>> accident.)
>
>When they were giving me the strong meds, they kept asking me if I was
>absolutely sure I couldn't get pregnant. (I'd tell them only as sure as the
>doc who did the tubal). I'd get that question every month. I cannot
>imagine a fert doctor giving the woman you were responding about the fert
>drugs with all those narcotics in her system.
Yep. But then, I have to wonder about most fert doctors' ethics, and
just how much they actually care about their patients as compared to
their own bottom line. I have seen more stories than I care to think
about of fert doctors giving drugs and performing treatments on women
who should not even _think_ about having kids, much less pursue it.
Mari
Sara Hawkins
Now, I don't like shitlings at all, but I cannot fathom someone THIS
braindead. Yeah, let's have a shitling just to "see what happens"! I'll
tell ya what happens, someone like me! SICK....<evil eye aimed at these
horrible breeders> Sara :(
"REP" <r...@inanna.com> wrote in message
news:rep-ya02408000R...@news.pacbell.net...
> alt.support.diabetes is always fertile ground for finding truly
> self-indulgent, navel-gazing posts (and I fear every day that this is some
> ugly side effect of diabetes) but this post* was especially barfalicious:
>
> "We lost our baby almost three weeks ago. I was 5 months pregnant...
This
> is the hardest thing I ever had to deal with .....I guess by writing and
> telling all of you it is helping in some way to talk about what
> happened..... the good thing in this whole ugly ordeal was that it was
not
> my sugar that was the fault.... unfortunately it was my age or so they
> say...... the baby would have had severe downs syndrome.....and also
would
> have had a severe malformation on his left leg...... but other then that
he
> would have been a beautiful baby. We did get to hold him and all so that
> helped..."
>
> Of course this breeder, who has a dangerous hereditary disease, has a
bunch