SIZZLERS: Anybody logged this one yet?
Kent_AOL
http://www.fayettevillenc.com/story.php?Template=local&Story=5752211
Boy left in hot car dies
By Andrew Barksdale and Robert Boyer
Staff writers
Members of the Fayetteville Police Department look into a car in which
three young children were left Wednesday as tempeeratures reached the
mid-90s.
A 2-year-old boy died and two siblings were in critical condition
after they were left in a car Wednesday, when the temperature outside
reached 95 degrees, police said.
Kenneth Pratt, who was 2, died at Cape Fear Valley Medical Center.
Emergency workers found his 1-year-old brother Jaquon Pratt and
4-month- old sister Nataliya Pratt unconscious shortly after 1 p.m.
The home is at 137 Bremer St. in the Kornbow subdivision off Helen
Street near Pamalee Drive.
According to a hospital spokeswoman, Jaquon and Nataliya were in
critical condition late Wednesday.
Police were questioning the children's 21-year-old mother, Nataliya
Pratt.
No charges had been filed late Wednesday, but police are
investigating.
Car impounded
Police impounded a 2000 Toyota Echo from the property, said Carl Wile,
a detective for the Fayetteville Police Department.
"It appears, according to our investigation, that the children had
been in the vehicle for some period of time," Wile said.
Wile declined to say how long police think the children were in the
car.
Neighbors said police have visited the home numerous times.
"It's just sad," said Thelma Jones, who lives across the street. "They
were cute little children. We'd see them out there playing. It's just
tragic."
A woman who called 911 from the house about 1 p.m. said an infant girl
was not breathing, police said.
Emergency workers found the children in the living room about 10
minutes later. They were unconscious and in respiratory distress.
Unkept home
The home's property manager, Chet Oehme, said the house has been
rented to Lee A. Edwards since November 2000. He said her two
daughters and three grandchildren lived in the home, but he did know
the daughters' names.
Oehme said he last saw Edwards when he visited last week to collect
July's rent.
Fayetteville police officers examine a car outside a home where three
children were found unconscious Wednesday. Inside, newspapers and
other debris littered the living room. Dirt was smudged into the
carpet in several places. An air conditioner and a television were on
in the evening.
Outside, a broken toy gun and a basketball lay in the unkempt yard. A
toddler's sled was in the driveway.
A late-model Cadillac with a temporary license plate and a Ford Escort
with no tag were parked in the yard next to the driveway.
Janette Fennell of Kids and Cars, a Leawood, Kan., child-safety
advocacy group, said temperatures in cars can rise 20 degrees in 10 to
15 minutes.
Scott Blecke of the Cumberland County Emergency Management System said
studies show that the inside of a car can reach 140 degrees.
Fennell said a car's angle to the sun, interior color, outside
temperature, humidity and other factors can push temperatures to 160
degrees.
Children's respiratory systems are not fully developed, Fennell said.
They are unable to dissipate heat as quickly as adults and overheat
three to five times faster, she said.
Prolonged heat exposure causes organs to shut down and can lead to
brain damage.
Children have died from heat exposure in cars on days as cool as 60
degrees, she said.
"Never leave your kids in the car," she said. "Heat is just another
reason not to do it."
khan
Kent_AOL wrote:
> Right in J Mowreader's backyard!
>
>
> http://www.fayettevillenc.com/story.php?Template=local&Story=5752211
>
> Boy left in hot car dies
>
> By Andrew Barksdale and Robert Boyer
> Staff writers
>
> Members of the Fayetteville Police Department look into a car in which
> three young children were left Wednesday as tempeeratures reached the
> mid-90s.
> A 2-year-old boy died and two siblings were in critical condition
> after they were left in a car Wednesday, when the temperature outside
> reached 95 degrees, police said.
>
> Kenneth Pratt, who was 2, died at Cape Fear Valley Medical Center.
> Emergency workers found his 1-year-old brother Jaquon Pratt and
> 4-month- old sister Nataliya Pratt unconscious shortly after 1 p.m.
> ...
> According to a hospital spokeswoman, Jaquon and Nataliya were in
> critical condition late Wednesday.
>
> Police were questioning the children's 21-year-old mother, Nataliya
> Pratt.
21 with 2 year, 1 year, 4 month?
Wonder is she's preggo.
nimue
Good lord, I wish, wish, wish we could legally sterilize people like that
woman.
--
nimue
"There are things I will not tolerate: students loitering on campus
after school, horrible murders with hearts being removed... and also
smoking." Principal Snyder
"It enrages me to be told I have a temper."
Rose
Pat
nimue
> kmp...@aol.com (Kent_AOL) wrote in news:122fe2fa.0307100608.9d02e03
> @posting.google.com:
>
> Cooking tip:
Not funny. I guess the reality of what happened is so horrifying to me I
just can't make jokes about it. As I mentioned in another post, I used to
live in Arizona -- the state where you need oven mitts to grab your steering
wheel -- and this happened to children and animals all the time, and it was
just so horrible.
>
>> Children's respiratory systems are not fully developed, Fennell said.
>> They are unable to dissipate heat as quickly as adults and overheat
>> three to five times faster, she said.
--
Cheryl Greer
wrote:
Hence the need to slow-cook your children in moist heat over a long
period. Preferably in a sealed auto..um..container to keep the juices
in. Otherwise, they char too quickly and get dried out and tough. :P
Never direct-grill a child. Braising is best.
Cheryl
--
"In art there is compassion, in compassion there is humanity,
and in humanity there is generosity and love.
Gregory Peck gave us these attributes in full measure." -Brock Peters
RIP Gregory Peck 1916 - 2003
T. Van Voris
> Pat wrote:
> > kmp...@aol.com (Kent_AOL) wrote in news:122fe2fa.0307100608.9d02e03
> > @posting.google.com:
> >
> > Cooking tip:
>
> Not funny.
Sez YOU.
> I guess the reality of what happened is so horrifying to me I
> just can't make jokes about it. As I mentioned in another post, I used to
> live in Arizona -- the state where you need oven mitts to grab your steering
> wheel -- and this happened to children and animals all the time, and it was
> just so horrible.
Whatever.
Look, nimue - is there any reason why you feel the need to constantly
correct people who are obviously venting and/or who obviously have a very
difference sense of things than yourself?
I KNOW you are a school teacher and all, and maybe, just maybe you do this
out of habit. Also, you may not be aware of just how damn self-righteous
and condescending many of your posts read. You are NOT here to teach any
of us tolerance, and you really shouldn't be surprised when bastards like
myself call you on this.
In other words - most of us don't come here to be preached at. We'll be
as tolerant towards our fellow humans (regardless of age/development) as
we damn well feel like being.
Oh wait...for clarity: I am, of course speaking for my own damn self. The
"we"s and the "us"s in the above paragraphs may be hyperbole. Or not.
T.
nimue
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, nimue wrote:
>> Pat wrote:
>>> kmp...@aol.com (Kent_AOL) wrote in news:122fe2fa.0307100608.9d02e03
>>> @posting.google.com:
>>>
>>> Cooking tip:
>>
>> Not funny.
>
> Sez YOU.
>
>> I guess the reality of what happened is so horrifying to me I
>> just can't make jokes about it. As I mentioned in another post, I
>> used to live in Arizona -- the state where you need oven mitts to
>> grab your steering wheel -- and this happened to children and
>> animals all the time, and it was just so horrible.
>
> Whatever.
>
> Look, nimue - is there any reason why you feel the need to constantly
> correct people who are obviously venting and/or who obviously have a
> very difference sense of things than yourself?
>
> I KNOW you are a school teacher and all, and maybe, just maybe you do
> this out of habit. Also, you may not be aware of just how damn
> self-righteous and condescending many of your posts read. You are
> NOT here to teach any of us tolerance, and you really shouldn't be
> surprised when bastards like myself call you on this.
Oh -- sorry I offended you. If you can see the humor in that, then by all
means enjoy it. I was more -- I don't know -- musing on the ng. As I said,
the child-or-animal-left-in-car phenomenon is one that has long horrified
me, but that's just me. Maybe there is a way to find humor in it -- I
can't -- but if someone else can, then fine.
>
> In other words - most of us don't come here to be preached at.
Sorry again! You do not have to listen to me. I just like to say whatever
I want to say. You do not have to listen or agree with me (well, in this
case, at least! ;-) ).
>We'll
> be as tolerant towards our fellow humans (regardless of
> age/development) as we damn well feel like being.
Ok, well be tolerant of school-mistressy moi, then. Say, oy -- that's nimue
again, and don't take anything I say personally. Often I agree with
everything people post here -- google it -- it's just that car thing is so
awful to me -- it's one of the things that gets to me.
>
> Oh wait...for clarity: I am, of course speaking for my own damn self.
> The "we"s and the "us"s in the above paragraphs may be hyperbole. Or
> not.
I thought you were royalty! Just kidding... ;-)
>
> T.
Miz Daisy Cutter
"nimue" slit open a vein and out did pour the following claret goodness:
>
>Pat wrote:
>> kmp...@aol.com (Kent_AOL) wrote in news:122fe2fa.0307100608.9d02e03
>> @posting.google.com:
>>
>> Cooking tip:
>
>Not funny.
[schnipp]
Ah, I see Numb-Away is still playing the prissy, preachy schoolmarm every time
someone offends her delicate sensibilities.
-- MDC
-------------------
Orgasm is a great way of bringing on labour for some women. It's also
good for tension headaches, cramps, Mondays, hammertoes and
hangovers.
— Morticia~
Geoff Miller
Kent_AOL <kmp...@aol.com> forwards:
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[...]
Y'know, Kent, I'm as dedicatedly childfree as the next
person. That being said...
Not wanting, or even liking, children is well and good.
But rejoicing in the death of a child, especially death
in so terrible a manner, is pretty fucking sick.
I'd say you should have your head examined, but after
giving the matter a moment's thought, I decided to
just cut to the chase: You deserve to have your balls
cut off and shoved up your ass.
Warmest regards,
Geoff
--
"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically
intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed
too. Otherwise they will turn out to be outright traitors."
-- Ann Coulter
Scott Amspoker
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>
>Y'know, Kent, I'm as dedicatedly childfree as the next
>person. That being said...
>
>Not wanting, or even liking, children is well and good.
>But rejoicing in the death of a child, especially death
>in so terrible a manner, is pretty fucking sick.
Having read Kent's post, I don't see any rejoicing in the death of a
child.
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nimue
You know, T., I have to say that I really admired the tone of your post, and
the restraint you exercised, because I obviously annoyed you. But I am
ashamed of myself and my response to you. I was dishonest. I am actually
appalled that people can laugh at a helpless person dying this way. I am
childfree, but that doesn't mean that I think someone suffering a gruesome
death is funny. I guess I hate irresponsible breeders, not children. Is
there a newgroup for people who despise irresponsible breeders? I don't
want any children, but I don't think it's funny when they suffer and die.
There is a lot of valuable stuff on this ng -- how else would I have
discovered my new favorite charity, Project Prevention? But some stuff is
too cruel for me.
nimue
> Kent_AOL <kmp...@aol.com> forwards:
>
>> http://www.fayettevillenc.com/story.php?Template=local&Story=5752211
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>> Boy left in hot car dies
>
>
> [...]
>
>
> Y'know, Kent, I'm as dedicatedly childfree as the next
> person. That being said...
>
> Not wanting, or even liking, children is well and good.
> But rejoicing in the death of a child, especially death
> in so terrible a manner, is pretty fucking sick.
I agree. I am so glad you said that. I don't think it's funny at all. I
am not sure if Kent was rejoicing -- he was joking about a tragedy, and that
is offensive and heartless. A lot of people are joking about it, and it
makes me sad. I didn't think childfree meant laughing at the suffering of
children. One of the reasons I am childfree is that I have no desire to
bring people into this horrible world -- why do that to anyone?
>
> I'd say you should have your head examined, but after
> giving the matter a moment's thought, I decided to
> just cut to the chase: You deserve to have your balls
> cut off and shoved up your ass.
Mmmm, I understand your feelings, but I don't think saying this will be very
effective. Oh, well, even if you didn't say it, people would attack you
anyway.
>
>
> Warmest regards,
> Geoff
khan
>
> You know, T., I have to say that I really admired the tone of your post, and
> the restraint you exercised, because I obviously annoyed you. But I am
> ashamed of myself and my response to you. I was dishonest. I am actually
> appalled that people can laugh at a helpless person dying this way. I am
> childfree, but that doesn't mean that I think someone suffering a gruesome
> death is funny. I guess I hate irresponsible breeders, not children. Is
> there a newgroup for people who despise irresponsible breeders? I don't
> want any children, but I don't think it's funny when they suffer and die.
> There is a lot of valuable stuff on this ng -- how else would I have
> discovered my new favorite charity, Project Prevention? But some stuff is
> too cruel for me.
Well, we didn't do it. The holy breeders did.
When confronted with the utter depravity of breeders,
black humor is the only response.
nimue
Shudder -- the above is the line that REALLY makes me ashamed of myself.
nimue
>> You know, T., I have to say that I really admired the tone of your
>> post, and the restraint you exercised, because I obviously annoyed
>> you. But I am ashamed of myself and my response to you. I was
>> dishonest. I am actually appalled that people can laugh at a
>> helpless person dying this way. I am childfree, but that doesn't
>> mean that I think someone suffering a gruesome death is funny. I
>> guess I hate irresponsible breeders, not children. Is there a
>> newgroup for people who despise irresponsible breeders? I don't
>> want any children, but I don't think it's funny when they suffer and
>> die. There is a lot of valuable stuff on this ng -- how else would I
>> have discovered my new favorite charity, Project Prevention? But
>> some stuff is too cruel for me.
>
> Well, we didn't do it. The holy breeders did.
> When confronted with the utter depravity of breeders,
> black humor is the only response.
I HATE the breeders who did this -- HATE them. Don't misunderstand me. I
am not blaming you or anyone on this ng for doing that. I guess I just
don't see the humor as "black humor" -- it seems too heartless for that.
Black humor incorporates social commentary, and judgment on the wrong-doers.
The jokes I have read about this don't seem to have that.
in the shadows
wrote:
>There is a lot of valuable stuff on this ng -- how else would I have
>discovered my new favorite charity, Project Prevention? But some stuff is
>too cruel for me.
Don't read anything that has "Sizzlers" in the title. Better yet,
don't read anything that has "Li'l" in the title, such as "Li'l
Sizzlers," "Li'l Swimmers," etc., and that will filter out most of the
posts about child abuse, cruelty, and death.
nimue
Good advice, and thank you very much! :-)
Jason G
>Is
>there a newgroup for people who despise irresponsible breeders?
Yeah, this one. Filter out the Sizzlers, or just don't read those threads and
wallah!* you won't see them. You don't have to like everyone or every
conversation at a party to have a good time.
--
Jason G
*Yes, I know the actual spelling. This one is funnier.
Gutterboy
>I HATE the breeders who did this -- HATE them. Don't misunderstand me. I
>am not blaming you or anyone on this ng for doing that. I guess I just
>don't see the humor as "black humor" -- it seems too heartless for that.
>Black humor incorporates social commentary, and judgment on the wrong-doers.
See: "suffered enough"
See: "tragic accident"
See: "she was a good mother"
See: "he was a great father"
See: "I just forgot"
See: "I fell asleep"
See: "I thought someone else had taken him inside"
See: "I have so many I lost track"
See: "the most precious things on Earth"
And, finally, see:
"no charges will be filed"
Gutterboy
always happy to supply black humor, social commentary, and judgment on
wrong-doers
---
I have a 2 year old little brother i baby sit him ful time and i need him out
of diapers by augest because thats when MY baby is due lol. HELP!!" --AOLMoo
Kent
> Oh -- sorry I offended you. If you can see the humor in that, then by
all
> means enjoy it. I was more -- I don't know -- musing on the ng. As I
said,
> the child-or-animal-left-in-car phenomenon is one that has long horrified
> me, but that's just me. Maybe there is a way to find humor in it -- I
> can't -- but if someone else can, then fine.
Hint--avoid the threads with "Li'l Sizzlers" or similar titles. I do the
same (although yes, I start this one!).
It's fine that they bother you--they bother many of us, too. FYI, the reason
they began being posted here was the outrage of the fact that a CF person
lays a hand on a sprog and gets sent to prison, while their OWN MOTHER
leaves them to die a torturous broiling death and often gets *no* punishment
because she's "suffered enough".
Kent, annoying shitstain
Kent
> Not wanting, or even liking, children is well and good.
> But rejoicing in the death of a child, especially death
> in so terrible a manner, is pretty fucking sick.
Where am I "rejoicing"? I was, in fact, posting this because some folks are
keeping a "log" of them (to point out how often PARENTS kill their own
children, almost always getting off scot-free) and I was interested in
completeness. In fact, I usually skip over the "Li'l" threads (something
nimue could learn from, since it seems to set off her "lecture" button).
> I'd say you should have your head examined, but after
> giving the matter a moment's thought, I decided to
> just cut to the chase: You deserve to have your balls
> cut off and shoved up your ass.
Tell that to the breeders who DO it, not those who REPORT it, huh?
Kent
Kent
> >You deserve to have your balls
> >cut off and shoved up your ass.
>
> It's not as if he's using them or anything.
No less than any other regular on ascf, I hope...
Kent
Jason G
>
>Kent, annoying shitstain
>
>
If you ever decide to commit suicide, OxyClean gets rid of shitstains really
quickly.
:-)
--
Jason G
"This towel smells like ass.
When your bar towel smells like ass,
It's time to get a new one."
-Bartending instructor, 07/09/2003
nimue
> "nimue" <cup_o...@yahoo.com> made obeisance before Us and spake
> thusly:
>
>> Is
>> there a newgroup for people who despise irresponsible breeders?
>
> Yeah, this one. Filter out the Sizzlers, or just don't read those
> threads and wallah!* you won't see them. You don't have to like
> everyone or every conversation at a party to have a good time.
Good points -- thanks!
nimue
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> nimue wrote:
>
>> I am not sure if Kent was rejoicing -- he was joking about a
>> tragedy, and that
>> is offensive and heartless. A lot of people are joking about it,
>> and it makes me sad. I didn't think childfree meant laughing at the
>> suffering of children.
>
> before. It's dark humor. It's poking fun and reprimanding the
> complete idiots who are allowed to breed like rabbits and then get a
> slap on the wrist when they can't cope and off their sprogs. Yet we
> are the evil ones, in society.
I love dark humor. Um, let's see, Jonathan Swift's _A Modest Proposal_ is
dark satire. He uses the same idea (the cooking and eating of children) but
it is clear that is *NOT* what he is really talking about -- his criticism
of the exploitation of Ireland is quite obvious! The jokes that I have been
reading here did not seem that way to me. They seemed to just make fun of
the kids' horrible deaths. If something else was intended -- something like
Twain or Swift would have done -- great. I just don't think that is how
the humor came out.
Renee
wrote:
>> Oh -- sorry I offended you. If you can see the humor in that, then
>> by all means enjoy it. I was more -- I don't know -- musing on the
>> ng. As I said, the child-or-animal-left-in-car phenomenon is one
>> that has long horrified me, but that's just me. Maybe there is a way
>> to find humor in it -- I can't -- but if someone else can, then fine.
If I may politely suggest, perhaps NOT READING the clearly-marked
"sizzler" threads is better for your stress levels, AND doesn't lead
you to post tut-tut messages that may peeve others?
Renee, always the mediator. :P
"Fox has one of those new reality shows at eight, 'Fast Animals, Slow Children.'" -Peter Griffin
Winnie
"nimue" <cup_o...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Black humor incorporates social commentary, and judgment on the
wrong-doers.
Only if you're talking about the Disney version.
Cheers
Winnie
Winnie
> I agree. I am so glad you said that. I don't think it's funny at all.
I
> am not sure if Kent was rejoicing -- he was joking about a tragedy, and
that
> is offensive and heartless. A lot of people are joking about it, and it
> makes me sad.
We all deal with things in our own way; if you want to do the wailing and
the gnashing of teeth, that's fine, but don't try and force it on everyone
else.
Cheers
Winnie
Winnie
> I love dark humor. Um, let's see, Jonathan Swift's _A Modest Proposal_
is
> dark satire. He uses the same idea (the cooking and eating of children)
but
> it is clear that is *NOT* what he is really talking about -- his criticism
> of the exploitation of Ireland is quite obvious!
That'll be allegory, then. You seem a bit confused on the whole black
humour, dark humour, satire, allegory thing.
Cheers
Winnie
Trademark
> Cooking tip:
>
>> Children's respiratory systems are not fully developed, Fennell said.
>> They are unable to dissipate heat as quickly as adults and overheat
>> three to five times faster, she said.
Aye, but they're germy little things, so be sure to use a known-good probe
thermometer to make certain the final cooked temperature is high enough. You
can't eat a child "blue" or even medium-rare.
Trademark
(Low and slow is the way to go. Poaching might also be an option.)
nimue
Well, if you guys are allowed to respond to it in a way that is offensive to
me, why am I not allowed to respond to it in a way that I like, but may be
offensive to you? You can have your response -- I just want mine, too, darn
it!
>
> Cheers
> Winnie
nimue
Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal is one of the classics of black humor,
satire, what-have-you. Google it and find out. Then read it, if you
haven't. It's brilliant, piercing, beautifully written, and hilarious in
the sickest way. Andre Breton wrote of Swift: "When it comes to black
humor, everything designates him as the true initiator." If you haven't
read A Modest Proposal, let me know what you think when you are done. I
think you'll really enjoy it!
>
> Cheers
> Winnie
Lee Ann
wrote:
>Winnie wrote:
>> "nimue" <cup_o...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:y7pPa.9071$351.4...@twister.nyc.rr.com...
>>
>>> I love dark humor. Um, let's see, Jonathan Swift's _A Modest
>>> Proposal_ is dark satire. He uses the same idea (the cooking and
>>> eating of children) but it is clear that is *NOT* what he is really
>>> talking about -- his criticism of the exploitation of Ireland is
>>> quite obvious!
>>
>> That'll be allegory, then. You seem a bit confused on the whole black
>> humour, dark humour, satire, allegory thing.
>
>Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal is one of the classics of black humor,
>satire, what-have-you. Google it and find out. Then read it, if you
>haven't. It's brilliant, piercing, beautifully written, and hilarious in
>the sickest way. Andre Breton wrote of Swift: "When it comes to black
>humor, everything designates him as the true initiator." If you haven't
>read A Modest Proposal, let me know what you think when you are done. I
>think you'll really enjoy it!
I'd say A Modest Proposal is an excellent example of satire. If you
want to see/hear good examples of black humor, hang around people who
have highly stressful, sometimes depressing jobs. (Examples: police
officers, hospital workers, criminal attorneys.)
Listen to the jokes. Most "outsiders" won't understand them or find
them funny - it's one of those "you have to be there" kind of things.
I think the same thing goes on in this group. Some people get so
frustrated at being told that we're the selfish/evil/pick your
adjective ones, while parents are actually the ones killing and
abusing their kids. Part of the release from the stress is to poke
fun at the "Li'l Sizzlers" and related stories. It may not be satire,
in the classic sense, but it's certainly black humor. Related, not
identical, concepts.
Lee Ann
nimue
I like your explanation. I have always heard that Swift is a master of
black humor and satire, and I think he is, but I think your impressively
clear description of black humor is apt, also. Thanks!
Issa
wrote:
>Lee Ann wrote:
you can read it here -
http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html
Issa
" in girum imus nocte et consumimur igni"
kali95
nimue wrote:
> Pat wrote:
> > kmp...@aol.com (Kent_AOL) wrote in news:122fe2fa.0307100608.9d02e03
> > @posting.google.com:
> >
> > Cooking tip:
>
> Not funny. I guess the reality of what happened is so horrifying to me I
> just can't make jokes about it. As I mentioned in another post, I used to
See, and I thought it was fucking hilarious. I love sizzlings. I mean, how can
you argue with fewer crotchnuggets on the planet?
Saying "not funny" implies that the statement was not. The issue, however, is
that YOU found it not funny. Because other people found it funny, that
automatically means that the statement itself is NOT "not funny."
HTH,
*k
nimue
Eeeek! I should have included a link. Duh. You know, I haven't read it in
years, and I don't know where my old copy is -- I think I may just take
advantage of the link you so thoughtfully provided.
>
>
> Issa
>
> " in girum imus nocte et consumimur igni"
--
T. Van Voris
> Well, if you guys are allowed to respond to it in a way that is offensive
> to me, why am I not allowed to respond to it in a way that I like, but
> may be offensive to you? You can have your response -- I just want
> mine, too, darn it!
Rock on, nimue - say whatever you will.
For the record: yesterday I called you out on your posts, NOT because I
thought that you shouldn't be voicing your opinion. I called you out
because it was MY opinion that you were doing a whole lotta
yabutting...see our FAQ if you haven't already for what I am talking about
on the yabutting front.
Ultimately, however, you should never be ashamed of speaking your piece in
a public forum. Ever. *I* thought you were - and probably always will -
coming off as being a bit school marmish and condescending. You would be
correct in assuming that I am just another twisted, barren, and bitter
punk who likes to tweak people often for entertainment purposes.
The bottomline: if you are childfree, this is a childfree space. ASC
consists of a pretty broad spectrum of folks from all over the globe in
all shapes, sizes, genders, classes, ages, cultures, etc. etc. etc. - just
as it should be.
T. - and viva la fucking difference
nimue
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, nimue wrote:
>> Well, if you guys are allowed to respond to it in a way that is
>> offensive to me, why am I not allowed to respond to it in a way that
>> I like, but may be offensive to you? You can have your response --
>> I just want mine, too, darn it!
>
> Rock on, nimue - say whatever you will.
>
> For the record: yesterday I called you out on your posts, NOT because
> I thought that you shouldn't be voicing your opinion. I called you
> out because it was MY opinion that you were doing a whole lotta
> yabutting...see our FAQ if you haven't already for what I am talking
> about on the yabutting front.
>
> Ultimately, however, you should never be ashamed of speaking your
> piece in a public forum. Ever.
I was ashamed, actually, because I wasn't speaking it -- I was being too
conciliatory, or something. When I do speak my piece, I may be flamed, but
never ashamed!
> *I* thought you were - and probably
> always will - coming off as being a bit school marmish and
> condescending.
Arrrggghhh! You are probably right! My mom is a teacher; I am a teacher;
many of my friends are teachers -- I just can't help it, try as I might. I
didn't want to condescend (when I *do* I am very aware of it) but I guess it
seems like I did.
> You would be correct in assuming that I am just
> another twisted, barren, and bitter punk who likes to tweak people
> often for entertainment purposes.
I think you are kind of charming, and you have great writing flair.
>
> The bottomline: if you are childfree, this is a childfree space.
I AM childfree, and thrilled about it.
> ASC
> consists of a pretty broad spectrum of folks from all over the globe
> in all shapes, sizes, genders, classes, ages, cultures, etc. etc.
> etc. - just as it should be.
>
> T. - and viva la fucking difference
There is something so exuberant about your writing style -- I love it. :-)
Jason G
>me, why am I not allowed to respond to it in a way that I like, but may be
>offensive to you? You can have your response -- I just want mine, too, darn
>it!
What would yours be, bitching about us being mean? Can we just take that as
read?
Kent_AOL
> Not wanting, or even liking, children is well and good.
> But rejoicing in the death of a child, especially death
> in so terrible a manner, is pretty fucking sick.
Let's see...the SOLE contribution I made to the post you reference,
besides the link, was "This was right in Jim M's back yard."
Please tell us all exactly how this constitutes "rejoicing". nimue may
join in if she wishes.
K
nimue
> "nimue" <cup_o...@yahoo.com> made obeisance before Us and spake
> thusly:
>>
>> Well, if you guys are allowed to respond to it in a way that is
>> offensive to me, why am I not allowed to respond to it in a way that
>> I like, but may be offensive to you? You can have your response --
>> I just want mine, too, darn it!
>
> What would yours be, bitching about us being mean? Can we just take
> that as read?
I didn't like what I read. I said so. You don't like what I said. You
said so.
Patrick M Geahan
> I didn't like what I read. I said so. You don't like what I said. You
> said so.
Actually, what you said was that it wasn't funny.
You should qualify opinions as such, otherwise you can expect responses
like, well, what you got.
--
-------Patrick M Geahan---...@thepatcave.org---ICQ:3784715------
Quote of the Week: "I probably won't start on the idea, and if I do it
will wind up being an unfinished project on my personal website featuring
pictures of my cat." rh2600 on /.
nimue
> nimue wrote:
>
>> Pat wrote:
>>> kmp...@aol.com (Kent_AOL) wrote in news:122fe2fa.0307100608.9d02e03
>>> @posting.google.com:
>>>
>>> Cooking tip:
>>
>> Not funny. I guess the reality of what happened is so horrifying to
>> me I just can't make jokes about it. As I mentioned in another
>> post, I used to
>
> See, and I thought it was fucking hilarious. I love sizzlings. I
> mean, how can you argue with fewer crotchnuggets on the planet?
This thread has really been informative to me. I realized I don't hate
kids -- I am just horrified by irresponsible breeders. I mean, I can't
stand it when kids behave terribly, but I feel bad for abused and neglected
kids. I have no sympathy for irresponsible breeders.
>
> Saying "not funny" implies that the statement was not. The issue,
> however, is that YOU found it not funny.
Ver true. I should have said "I don't think it's funny" because I certainly
don't!
>Because other people found
> it funny, that automatically means that the statement itself is NOT
> "not funny."
>
> HTH,
Yeah -- it does -- as I said, this thread has made me realize a lot of
things about my feelings regarding kids and breeders.
> *k
Mark Langsdorf
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, nimue wrote:
>> Well, if you guys are allowed to respond to it in a way that is offensive
>> to me, why am I not allowed to respond to it in a way that I like, but
>> may be offensive to you? You can have your response -- I just want
>> mine, too, darn it!
> Rock on, nimue - say whatever you will.
> For the record: yesterday I called you out on your posts, NOT because I
> thought that you shouldn't be voicing your opinion. I called you out
> because it was MY opinion that you were doing a whole lotta
> yabutting...see our FAQ if you haven't already for what I am talking about
> on the yabutting front.
> Ultimately, however, you should never be ashamed of speaking your piece in
> a public forum. Ever. *I* thought you were - and probably always will -
> coming off as being a bit school marmish and condescending. You would be
> correct in assuming that I am just another twisted, barren, and bitter
> punk who likes to tweak people often for entertainment purposes.
Yes, but you're cool like that.
-Mark Langsdorf
http://www.austinnokidding.org/
Winnie
> Winnie wrote:
> > "nimue" <cup_o...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:sBnPa.9062$351.4...@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> >
> >> I agree. I am so glad you said that. I don't think it's funny at
> >> all. I am not sure if Kent was rejoicing -- he was joking about a
> >> tragedy, and that is offensive and heartless. A lot of people are
> >> joking about it, and it makes me sad.
> >
> > We all deal with things in our own way; if you want to do the wailing
> > and the gnashing of teeth, that's fine, but don't try and force it on
> > everyone else.
>
> Well, if you guys are allowed to respond to it in a way that is offensive
to
> me, why am I not allowed to respond to it in a way that I like, but may be
> offensive to you? You can have your response -- I just want mine, too,
darn
> it!
It seems to me that you were complaining more about our response to sizzlers
than about the sizzlings themselves. Big difference!
Cheers
Winnie
Winnie
> I didn't like what I read. I said so. You don't like what I said. You
> said so.
...and there, because we hadn't already worked it out, is the explanation of
an argument. Wow. What is it that you teach, exactly?
Cheers
Winnie
Winnie
> Winnie wrote:
> > That'll be allegory, then. You seem a bit confused on the whole black
> > humour, dark humour, satire, allegory thing.
>
> Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal is one of the classics of black humor,
> satire, what-have-you.
That's right, lump them all together then you don't have to distinguish.
> If you haven't
> read A Modest Proposal, let me know what you think when you are done. I
> think you'll really enjoy it!
To borrow a phrase from TV: Patronising much?
Winnie
Darth Ammer
news:beoh00$ru$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz:
Sprog. Duh. ;)
--
Darth Ammer
Even very young children need to be informed about dying. Explain the
concept of death very carefully to your child. This will make threatening
him with it much more effective.
- P. J. O'Rourke
nimue
Actually, I was trying to be nice. I thought you hadn't read it. Many,
many people have never read it, and I thought it might be a nice treat for
you. I like it when people recommend good books, poetry, articles,
whatever. Sorry it offended you -- that was not my intent at all.
nimue
> "nimue" <cup_o...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JlyPa.25614$Aw.1...@twister.nyc.rr.com...
>> Winnie wrote:
>>> "nimue" <cup_o...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:sBnPa.9062$351.4...@twister.nyc.rr.com...
>>>
>>>> I agree. I am so glad you said that. I don't think it's funny at
>>>> all. I am not sure if Kent was rejoicing -- he was joking about a
>>>> tragedy, and that is offensive and heartless. A lot of people are
>>>> joking about it, and it makes me sad.
>>>
>>> We all deal with things in our own way; if you want to do the
>>> wailing and the gnashing of teeth, that's fine, but don't try and
>>> force it on everyone else.
>>
>> Well, if you guys are allowed to respond to it in a way that is
>> offensive to me, why am I not allowed to respond to it in a way that
>> I like, but may be offensive to you? You can have your response --
>> I just want mine, too, darn it!
>
> It seems to me that you were complaining more about our response to
> sizzlers than about the sizzlings themselves. Big difference!
What is your point? I was complaining about the response -- I thought it
was callous. Those kids died in an absolutely gruesome way, and I think
their loser breeder parents should suffer for it -- I made that clear, too.
Many people resonded to the incidents by joking about them; I responded by
wishing for total justice to be meted out to those irresponsible breeders.
I didn't understand how people could joke about it -- that was my point.
nimue
*We* worked out nothing. It is now clear to me that no matter what I say to
you, or how I say it, you will attack it and me.
nimue
> "Winnie" <was...@ihug.co.nz.ALL-HOPE> wrote in
> news:beoh00$ru$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz:
>
>>
>> "nimue" <cup_o...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:DHDPa.25846$Aw....@twister.nyc.rr.com...
>>
>>> I didn't like what I read. I said so. You don't like what I said.
>>> You said so.
>>
>> ...and there, because we hadn't already worked it out, is the
>> explanation of an argument. Wow. What is it that you teach, exactly?
>>
>
> Sprog. Duh. ;)
Actually, I teach high school AP English. Many of my students can vote,
enlist in the armed forces, etc. When does sprog-hood end and adulthood
begin? Furthermore, although I do not want kids of my own, I have no
objection to teaching high school kids. I do not want to teach younger
kids, though. No way.
nimue
> "nimue" <cup_o...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pCyPa.22561$GF2.5...@twister.nyc.rr.com...
>> Winnie wrote:
>
>>> That'll be allegory, then. You seem a bit confused on the whole
>>> black humour, dark humour, satire, allegory thing.
>>
>> Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal is one of the classics of black
>> humor, satire, what-have-you.
>
> That's right, lump them all together then you don't have to
> distinguish.
Well, there are distinctions, but A Modest Proposal does fall into all of
these categories. I am not the only one who thinks so -- google it and find
out.
>
>> If you haven't
>> read A Modest Proposal, let me know what you think when you are
>> done. I think you'll really enjoy it!
>
> To borrow a phrase from TV: Patronising much?
I just think you are bound and determined to interpret any nice thing I say
as mean. As I said in another post -- I really thought you might enjoy it.
I am an English teacher, for crissakes! All I do is recommend books. I am
sure you will have something mean to say about that, too. Still -- I can't
stop myself; I can't bear to think of people missing out on a good read --
READ it if you haven't -- it's so funny; it's short, and it will make you
smile. If you have any suggestions for good reads you think I might enjoy,
let me have them. If you just want to be nasty, don't bother.
Winnie
> Winnie wrote:
> > "nimue" <cup_o...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:pCyPa.22561$GF2.5...@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> >> Winnie wrote:
> >
> >>> That'll be allegory, then. You seem a bit confused on the whole
> >>> black humour, dark humour, satire, allegory thing.
> >>
> >> Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal is one of the classics of black
> >> humor, satire, what-have-you.
> >
> > That's right, lump them all together then you don't have to
> > distinguish.
> >
> >> If you haven't
> >> read A Modest Proposal, let me know what you think when you are
> >> done. I think you'll really enjoy it!
> >
> > To borrow a phrase from TV: Patronising much?
>
> Actually, I was trying to be nice. I thought you hadn't read it. Many,
> many people have never read it, and I thought it might be a nice treat for
> you. I like it when people recommend good books, poetry, articles,
> whatever. Sorry it offended you -- that was not my intent at all.
Sorry, it was just the way you did it, and others have commented on your
writing style so it's not just me.
No worries
Winnie
Winnie
> It is now clear to me that no matter what I say to
> you, or how I say it, you will attack it and me.
I'm not much up with this, but isn't this one of those classic usenet
syndromes? Next thing the lurkers will be supporting you via email (and
since we seem to have a surfeit of lurking breeders I wouldn't be at all
surprised).
Winnie
nimue
Oh -- I know I can come off as pedagogical. Sorry. I am just used to
recommending books, talking about books, getting really thrilled about
books, and wanting everyone else to enjoy them, too. So, I am not being
patronizing -- I just want you to have the absolute joy of Jonathan Swift in
your life! ;-)
Kent
> Oh -- I know I can come off as pedagogical. Sorry. I am just used to
> recommending books, talking about books, getting really thrilled about
> books, and wanting everyone else to enjoy them, too.
And if you had hung around this group for any time at all, you'd see that
these traits apply to a GREAT many of the rest of us, too. See, even your
"explanation" tends toward the patronizing ("I am an AP English teacher,
hear me roar!").
> So, I am not being patronizing
Not on purpose perhaps...but the way that you seem(ed) to want to "debate"
the whole Sizzler phenomenon--which has an evolved history on this NG and is
NOT "rejoicing", rather, social irony--as a relative newcomer to an
established group reeks of the same patronizing tone the breeders beam at us
when they sniff "Oh, I used to think as you do, too, but then I had a
BABY..."
Kent
Winnie
"Kent" <kmp...@SPAMncBLOCK.rr.com> wrote in message
news:fz3Qa.222549$nr.90...@twister.southeast.rr.com...
Thanks Kent, I'm glad someone else understands. We CFers get talked down to
enough as it is!
Cheers
Winnie
nimue
> "Kent" <kmp...@SPAMncBLOCK.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:fz3Qa.222549$nr.90...@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>> "nimue" <cup_o...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>>> Oh -- I know I can come off as pedagogical. Sorry. I am just used
>>> to recommending books, talking about books, getting really thrilled
>>> about books, and wanting everyone else to enjoy them, too.
>>
>> And if you had hung around this group for any time at all, you'd see
>> that these traits apply to a GREAT many of the rest of us, too.
Well, I thought they did, and that is why I recommended Swift in the first
place -- I thought this was a group that would appreciate a good read, if
this was somthing they hadn't read before.
>See,
>> even your "explanation" tends toward the patronizing ("I am an AP
>> English teacher, hear me roar!").
You know -- you are so mean. I was just trying to explain why I might sound
schoolteacher-ish. I guess I can't do anything right.
>>
>>> So, I am not being patronizing
>>
>> Not on purpose perhaps...but the way that you seem(ed) to want to
>> "debate" the whole Sizzler phenomenon--which has an evolved history
>> on this NG and is NOT "rejoicing", rather, social irony--
Yes -- I understand that. I just didn't like the humor, said so, and now I
know that you guys see it as black humor, and don't mean it the way I
thought you did.
>>as a
>> relative newcomer to an established group reeks of the same
>> patronizing tone the breeders beam at us when they sniff "Oh, I used
>> to think as you do, too, but then I had a BABY..."
I have no babies. I am never having babies. Kittens -- yes. Babies -- no.
>>
>>
>> Kent
>
> Thanks Kent, I'm glad someone else understands. We CFers get talked
> down to enough as it is!
>
I am a CFer, too, you know, and I wasn't talking down to you.
BTW -- I know I am responding to two people on one post here -- sorry -- but
the original isn't showing up on my newsreader.
> Cheers
> Winnie
nimue
NOW the darn post shows up. Oy.
>
>
> Kent
Lorzie
> Kent wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
> > And if you had hung around this group for any time at all, you'd see
> > that these traits apply to a GREAT many of the rest of us, too.
>
> Hee, Kent, you gave me a nice opportunity to kick off another book thread.
> What's on everyone's reading list these days?
I'm reading "Valley of the Dolls" and David McCullough's biography of John
Adams.
Next are "Up in the Air," by Walter Kirn and "A Tale of Two Valleys: Wine,
Wealth and the Battle for the Good Life in Napa and Sonoma," by Alan
Deutshchman.
Recently finished "The Corrections," which I liked a lot.
Cori
> Hee, Kent, you gave me a nice opportunity to kick off another book thread.
> What's on everyone's reading list these days?
>
> Fear, by Jan Bondeson, then it's on to Guns, Germs, And Steel by Jared
> Diamond.
>
> I finally got around to ordering The Ghastly One, a Gutterboy
> recommendation.
>
> Caine
Jane Austen's last novel, Sanditon.
(I'm now watching Sense and Sensibility. Colonel Brandon, rowrrr.)
Cori
nimue
I know. He's a mensch -- THAT is a mensch. I just watched it a couple of
days ago, too.
>
> Cori
JesterKat
<alecon...@btinet.net> wrote:
>What's on everyone's reading list these days?
I'm about two-thirds through "A Short History of Nearly Everthing," by
Bill Bryson. Recently read the fifth Harry Potter. I also found a
voluntary-simplicity website with an exhaustive suggested-reading
list, so that will keep me busy for a while.
Also, side-note to Veronique, TudorLdy, Cristabel and any other
interested parties--did you know there's a new Dorothy Sayers/Jill
Paton Walsh "collaboration" that's just been published? It's called "A
Presumption of Death." Like "Thrones, Dominations," it's nowhere near
the originals, but it's worth a library check-out.
>then it's on to Guns, Germs, And Steel by Jared
>Diamond.
I keep hearing about this. I may finally have to check it out.
---JesterKat
***************
"Drop me off in Groovetime
Soothe me with the Slang of Ages
This is where I turn..."
---Steely Dan
nimue
> nimue wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
>> You know -- you are so mean.
>
I wasn't talking to you -- I was talking to Kent, and Kent alone. However,
you sure aren't being too nice here! That, btw, is directed at you and you
alone. You know, I thought what Kent wrote was mean -- he just wouldn't
give me a break, even when I was trying to apologize and explain. It was
ungracious, but not as rude as you.
>who have
> nothing better to do than be mean to you and make awful jokes about
> sprogs.
When did I ever say that? I don't think that. Why do you act as if I am
talking to all people on this ng -- why did you think I was talking to you
when I was talking to Kent? Geez.
>Some people do not care for your lecturing, condescending
> tone. We aren't your students. Get over it, move on.
I don't care for your rude, obnoxious tone. I didn't mean to offend, tried
to explain myself, but some people like you (not all) would rather just
attack anything I say. Fine. I am still here, calling it how I see it, and
I am not going anywhere. You know, I am especially surprised at you. I
thought anyone with the sense of humor you obviously have (the butt bra was
very funny) would be a little less petty.
>
> Caine
tom c
"Caine" <alecon...@btinet.net> wrote in message
news:Xns93B6DEB1A9ED3a...@130.133.1.4...
> Kent wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
> > And if you had hung around this group for any time at all, you'd see
> > that these traits apply to a GREAT many of the rest of us, too.
>
>
"Stolen valor : how the Vietnam generation was robbed of its heroes and its
history"
By BG Burkett
I want to read this because I run into so many phonies who tell war stories
to justifiy thier addictions. Porblem is when pressed, 95% of these assholes
didn't serve like they say. I know I told the story about the drunk who
claimed PTSD from Vietnam, yet when I checked his ID he was younger than I
am. I was in jr high when Saigon fell.
Tom C
Winnie
> Hee, Kent, you gave me a nice opportunity to kick off another book thread.
> What's on everyone's reading list these days?
The most inspiring thing I've read lately is a book on hot tubs. Can anyone
recommend a book on how to murder your partner and get away with it? (I
*think* I'm joking).
Cheers
Winnie
Jay
I am sorting through my books tonight for a small and light book to take
while cycle touring this week.
The Portable Life 101 seems to fit the bill to have a bit of philosophy lite
(spelled on purpose) while I ride along the lengthy bits.
Darth Ammer
news:_v4Qa.30250$Aw.1...@twister.nyc.rr.com:
> I wasn't talking to you -- I was talking to Kent, and Kent alone.
> However, you sure aren't being too nice here! That, btw, is
> directed at you and you alone.
>
You can't do that on usenet. Everyone is able to see your posts, everyone
can reply.
JesterKat
<alecon...@btinet.net> wrote:
>> I also found a
>> voluntary-simplicity website with an exhaustive suggested-reading
>> list, so that will keep me busy for a while.
>
>Care to share?
http://www.gallagherpress.com/pierce/reading.htm
I've read a lot of these already, but there were plenty I'd never even
heard of. Enjoy...
Rabbit
> What's on everyone's reading list these days?
>
Right now I'm reading Harry Potter. Yes, really. The things are kinda
fascinating, and I've got all the other ones.
Also unread on the bedside table:
- "Shopgirl" by Steve Martin (a used bookstore find)
- A biography of Walter Chrysler
- Short story collection by Robertson Davies
- Some Folio volumes I bought a long time ago and never got to reading
(including the Decline & Fall of the Roman Empire -- better set aside some
quality time)
- And a stack of magazines that never seems to get any smaller
Rabbit
Woof Ridge
rab...@hotstar.net says...
> > Hee, Kent, you gave me a nice opportunity to kick off another book thread.
> > What's on everyone's reading list these days?
> >
>
> Right now I'm reading Harry Potter. Yes, really. The things are kinda
> fascinating, and I've got all the other ones.
>
>
I'm reading Harry Potter, too. Nothing to be ashamed of. I'm also
rereading "Organizing from the Inside Out" in another attempt to
organize my office and my life.
Woof
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Woof Ridge
alecon...@btinet.net says...
> Oh, FFS, give it a bloody rest. Yeah, we're all horrid people who have
> your students. Get over it, move on.
>
>
I agree with this psot.
Thanks, Caine for putting it so succinctly.
nimue
> "nimue" <cup_o...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:_v4Qa.30250$Aw.1...@twister.nyc.rr.com:
>
>> I wasn't talking to you -- I was talking to Kent, and Kent alone.
>> However, you sure aren't being too nice here! That, btw, is
>> directed at you and you alone.
>>
>
> You can't do that on usenet. Everyone is able to see your posts,
> everyone can reply.
Oh -- I know that. But why do you think it's important to respond to the
right post in a thread? Because you want the right person to know your
response. I really like a lot of people on this ng -- I just thought that
post was less than gracious.
jermec
--
Somewhere in the wilds of alt.support.childfree, Caine
> <alecon...@btinet.net> wrote:
>
> >What's on everyone's reading list these days?
Finished it a while ago, but have been recommending it to anyone who'll
listen:
"Death From The Woods" by Brigitte Aubert, in translation from the original
French. Pub. New England Library (in the UK). A whodunit with a real twist.
Read in two late night sittings.
jermec
I refuse to become paranoid.
That would make my actions predictable . . .
making it easier for the men who are following me.
Crazy Chick
>
>
>Darth Ammer wrote:
>> "nimue" <cup_o...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:_v4Qa.30250$Aw.1...@twister.nyc.rr.com:
>>
>>> I wasn't talking to you -- I was talking to Kent, and Kent alone.
>>> However, you sure aren't being too nice here! That, btw, is
>>> directed at you and you alone.
>>>
>>
>> You can't do that on usenet. Everyone is able to see your posts,
>> everyone can reply.
>
>Oh -- I know that.
You just conveniently ignore it.
>But why do you think it's important to respond to the
>right post in a thread? Because you want the right person to know your
>response.
Of course. Which is why if you make a post to anyone acting like a passive
aggressive condescending git, we'll be sure to respond directly to you in
pointing that out.
>I really like a lot of people on this ng -- I just thought that
>post was less than gracious.
Heaven forfend that we do not immediately bow before the allmighty knowledge of
a high school teacher.
Crazy Chick
-
"I choose to live or to lie, kill and give and to die, learn and love and to do
what it takes to step through." -- Tool, "46 & 2"
Kent
> > I wasn't talking to you -- I was talking to Kent, and Kent alone.
> > However, you sure aren't being too nice here! That, btw, is
> > directed at you and you alone.
>
> You can't do that on usenet. Everyone is able to see your posts, everyone
> can reply.
Well, you can DO it, if you say "Darth Ammer, this is for you and you alone:
_____" FIRST. Can't stop anyone else from reading it, of course, but you can
at least specify if something is directed at one, instead of all.
Kent (and Kent alone)
Gutterboy
>Hee, Kent, you gave me a nice opportunity to kick off another book thread.
>What's on everyone's reading list these days?
>
>I'm finishing up Buried Alive The Terrifying History of OUr Most Primal
>Fear, by Jan Bondeson, then it's on to Guns, Germs, And Steel by Jared
>Diamond.
>
>I finally got around to ordering The Ghastly One, a Gutterboy
>recommendation.
Yay! You will be appalled!
I just finished Augusten Burroughs' new one, "Dry" (really, really good), and
am now eying "The Adventures of Kavalier and Clay" (is that the right title?
it's huge) and want to pick up Tim Gautreaux's newest this week.
Gutterboy
---
I have a 2 year old little brother i baby sit him ful time and i need him out
of diapers by augest because thats when MY baby is due lol. HELP!!" --AOLMoo
Cori
What's the name of the hot tub book. Mine's being delivered next
thursday.
Cori
Cori
Have a great trip!
Cori
Nick the Lemming
>
> > I just finished Augusten Burroughs' new one, "Dry" (really, really
> > good), and am now eying "The Adventures of Kavalier and Clay" (is that
> > the right title? it's huge) and want to pick up Tim Gautreaux's newest
> > this week.
>
> I have to catch up. I enjoyed Running with Scissors. "The Amazing
> Adventures of Kavalier and Clay." - I've been looking at it, too.
I'm about halfway through Kavalier and Clay at the moment, and quite enjoy
it so far, even if they do describe Dali as a Surrealist. Other reading -
Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War, and Andre Breton, Earthlight.
Nick the Lemming
--
May we live long and die out
In Your Face, Space Coyote!
MRFeathers
>place -- I thought this was a group that would appreciate a good read, if
>this was somthing they hadn't read before.
Actually, we used to have a sort of virtual cafe (analogous to GBoy's bar)
called the Modest Proposal, but no one's mentioned it in at least a year.
Mary
MRFeathers
>Bill Bryson.
Are you liking that? I have it in my pile of books to read.
>Also, side-note to Veronique, TudorLdy, Cristabel and any other
>interested parties--did you know there's a new Dorothy Sayers/Jill
>Paton Walsh "collaboration" that's just been published? It's called "A
>Presumption of Death." Like "Thrones, Dominations," it's nowhere near
>the originals, but it's worth a library check-out.
Yeah. I bought it and it wasn't too bad, but it IS NOT Sayers. If you can
keep your expectations somewhat reduced it's not bad -- just don't expect it to
read like Sayers.
Mary
Currently reading Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon. Jebus, it's longer than
Potter 5.
Michelle Martin
I'm currently reading a biography of Lafayette. Next up is a biography
on Gouverneur Morris, the man who drafted the US Constitution. I have
some mysteries on order from the UK, including P.D. James' latest, which
should arrive in a week or so.
I've been doing a bit of American Revolutionary War reading, mostly
biographical. In the last couple of months I've read biographies of
Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, and Alexander Hamilton.
Michelle
--
Day Eleven: Bumped into Gandalf who is all sparkly white now. Asked him, "Who do
you have to blow to get last bottle of bleach in Middle Earth anyway?" Gandalf
said, "The Balrog." So not worth it. -- Legolas: The Very Secret Diaries
nimue
> Nimue wrote:
>>
>>
>> Darth Ammer wrote:
>>> "nimue" <cup_o...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> news:_v4Qa.30250$Aw.1...@twister.nyc.rr.com:
>>>
>>>> I wasn't talking to you -- I was talking to Kent, and Kent alone.
>>>> However, you sure aren't being too nice here! That, btw, is
>>>> directed at you and you alone.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You can't do that on usenet. Everyone is able to see your posts,
>>> everyone can reply.
>>
>> Oh -- I know that.
>
> You just conveniently ignore it.
>
>> But why do you think it's important to respond to the
>> right post in a thread? Because you want the right person to know
>> your response.
>
> Of course. Which is why if you make a post to anyone acting like a
> passive aggressive condescending git, we'll be sure to respond
> directly to you in pointing that out.
>
>> I really like a lot of people on this ng -- I just thought that
>> post was less than gracious.
>
> Heaven forfend that we do not immediately bow before the allmighty
> knowledge of a high school teacher.
Oh -- that is so unnecessary. Really.
>
> Crazy Chick
> -
> "I choose to live or to lie, kill and give and to die, learn and love
> and to do what it takes to step through." -- Tool, "46 & 2"
--
nimue
> I'm currently reading a biography of Lafayette. Next up is a
> biography on Gouverneur Morris, the man who drafted the US
> Constitution. I have some mysteries on order from the UK, including
> P.D. James' latest, which should arrive in a week or so.
>
> I've been doing a bit of American Revolutionary War reading, mostly
> biographical. In the last couple of months I've read biographies of
> Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, and Alexander Hamilton.
If your biography on Lafayette gets you interested in French history, I
recommend the Antonia Fraser biography of Marie Antoinette.
>
> Michelle
Morwen
(in message <Xns93B6DEB1A9ED3a...@130.133.1.4>):
> Kent wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
>> And if you had hung around this group for any time at all, you'd see
>> that these traits apply to a GREAT many of the rest of us, too.
>
> Hee, Kent, you gave me a nice opportunity to kick off another book thread.
> What's on everyone's reading list these days?
I just finished The Riven Shield, Book Five of The Sun Sword series by
Michelle West. It's densely written, character-driven fantasy -- not for
everyone, but I like it. One of the main characters, the Serra Diora
di'Marano, is one of my all-time favorite female fantasy characters.
For a change of pace, I have now started a novel set in WWII England
(Portsmouth), Goodbye Sweetheart, by Lilian Harry. I ordered it along with a
lot of other WWII fiction from Amazon.co.uk, since there are many interesting
books published in the UK that are not otherwise available to me in the U.S.
Books are my vice.
Morwen
Winnie
"Cori" <no...@noplace.gov> wrote in message
news:3F117C9F...@noplace.gov...
> What's the name of the hot tub book. Mine's being delivered next
> thursday.
>
> Cori
Ooh, lovely! What type are you getting?
ISTR the book was called simply "Hot Tubs", and was a large format hardback,
written in america in about the early 70s, judging by the beards, sandals
and lingo. Next time I'm in the library I'll check.
Cheers
Winnie
artisan
> I'd say A Modest Proposal is an excellent example of satire. If you
> want to see/hear good examples of black humor, hang around people who
> have highly stressful, sometimes depressing jobs. (Examples: police
> officers, hospital workers, criminal attorneys.)
>
> Listen to the jokes. Most "outsiders" won't understand them or find
> them funny - it's one of those "you have to be there" kind of things.
>
> I think the same thing goes on in this group. Some people get so
> frustrated at being told that we're the selfish/evil/pick your
> adjective ones, while parents are actually the ones killing and
> abusing their kids. Part of the release from the stress is to poke
> fun at the "Li'l Sizzlers" and related stories. It may not be satire,
> in the classic sense, but it's certainly black humor. Related, not
> identical, concepts.
>
> Lee Ann
Personally I don't even understand why this newsgroup would have to
***explain*** "gallows humor" to a high school English teacher.
Rox (is certified to teach K-12 music, but is taking a LONG hiatus
from ALL classrooms.)
______________________________________
"Do not be alarmed.
Sometimes our feelings conflict
with our programming."
--Android 16, Dragonball Z
http://www.geocities.com/artisan1998.geo/index.html
______________________________________
mroo philpott-smythe
> Somewhere in the wilds of alt.support.childfree, Caine
> <alecon...@btinet.net> wrote:
>>What's on everyone's reading list these days?
> Also, side-note to Veronique, TudorLdy, Cristabel and any other
> interested parties--did you know there's a new Dorothy Sayers/Jill
> Paton Walsh "collaboration" that's just been published? It's called "A
> Presumption of Death." Like "Thrones, Dominations," it's nowhere near
> the originals, but it's worth a library check-out.
I'm a great fan of Sayers - have everything she ever wrote in my
library, but not this. Will check it out.
Also, I have everything Austen ever wrote except Sanditon, so thanks for
that recommendation.
>>then it's on to Guns, Germs, And Steel by Jared
>>Diamond.
> I keep hearing about this. I may finally have to check it out.
It is one of the best books I have ever read.
My reading list for the next few months:
War and Memory in Malaysia and Singapore, P. Lim Pui Huen & Diana Wong, eds
The Rape of Nanking, by Iris Chang
Women of China, Imperialism and Women's Resistance 1900-1949, by Bobby Siu
Living Hell, Story of a WWII Survivor at the Death Railway, by Goh Chor Boon
Rehearsal for War, The Underground War Against The Japanese, by Ban Kah
Choon and Yap Hong Kuan
Singapore The Pregnable Fortress, A Study in Deception, Discord, and
Desertion, by Peter Elphick
The Price of Peace, True Accounts of the Japanese Occupation, by Foong
Choon Hon, ed
Force 136, Story of A WWII Resistance Fighter, by Tan Chong Tee
Bonnie Prince Charlie - Charles Edward Stuart by Frank McLynn
The Stuart Constitution, Documents and Commentary, by J.P. Kenyon
History of England by G.M. Trevelyan
The Later Stuarts 1660-1714 by Sir George Clark
The Early Stuarts 1603-1660 by Godfrey Davies
England in the Nineteenth Century (1815-1914) by David Thomson
King Charles I by Pauline Gregg
The Celts by Nora Chadwick
Arthur's Britain by Leslie Alcock
The Last Emperor, King George VI and His Reign, by Peter Townsend
Stuart England, by J.P. Kenyon
Daniel Deronda, Silas Marner, and Middlemarch, by George Eliot
A History of The Vikings, by Gwyn Jones
Prison Letters of Countess Markiewicz
Holy Days, The World of a Hasidic Family, by Lis Harris
The Ginger Man, by J.P. Donleavy
If anyone has any recommendations for history, please pass them on.
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> Somewhere in the wilds of alt.support.childfree, Caine
> <alecon...@btinet.net> wrote:
>>>I also found a
>>>voluntary-simplicity website with an exhaustive suggested-reading
>>>list, so that will keep me busy for a while.
>>Care to share?
> http://www.gallagherpress.com/pierce/reading.htm
> I've read a lot of these already, but there were plenty I'd never even
> heard of. Enjoy...
Most excellent! Thanks, Jesterkat.
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> "Caine" <alecon...@btinet.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns93B6DEB1A9ED3a...@130.133.1.4...
>>Kent wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>>Hee, Kent, you gave me a nice opportunity to kick off another book thread.
>>What's on everyone's reading list these days?
> "Stolen valor : how the Vietnam generation was robbed of its heroes and its
> history"
> By BG Burkett
Most excellent! Will put that on list.
You're a young'un, Tom.
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
In response to Caine, who wrote:
>>Hee, Kent, you gave me a nice opportunity to kick off another book thread.
>>What's on everyone's reading list these days?
> Right now I'm reading Harry Potter. Yes, really. The things are kinda
> fascinating, and I've got all the other ones.
I guess I'll break down and borrow it sometime. Saw it in the UK. It's
HUGE. I hate reading really enormous books if they're not (1) Absolutely
top-notch classic literature; (2) Highly respected factual tomes. But so
far people who have read the damn thing are giving it the thumbs up, so
I guess I'll go scrounge a copy.
> Also unread on the bedside table:
> - "Shopgirl" by Steve Martin (a used bookstore find)
Recommended?
> - A biography of Walter Chrysler
> - Short story collection by Robertson Davies
I really like Robertson Davies. Is this new?
> - Some Folio volumes I bought a long time ago and never got to reading
> (including the Decline & Fall of the Roman Empire -- better set aside some
> quality time)
> - And a stack of magazines that never seems to get any smaller
I have a stack like that too. Maybe I'll do that tonight - try to reduce
the damn stack - although with that huge reading list, it may be a poor
use of time ...
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> In article <berevq$86vud$2...@ID-60828.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> rab...@hotstar.net says...
>>>Hee, Kent, you gave me a nice opportunity to kick off another book thread.
>>>What's on everyone's reading list these days?
>>Right now I'm reading Harry Potter. Yes, really. The things are kinda
>>fascinating, and I've got all the other ones.
> I'm reading Harry Potter, too. Nothing to be ashamed of. I'm also
> rereading "Organizing from the Inside Out" in another attempt to
> organize my office and my life.
Do you recommend that? I'm dreadfully disorganized, and periodically go
out and get books on organizing, in a desperate attempt ...
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> I'm currently reading a biography of Lafayette. Next up is a biography
> on Gouverneur Morris, the man who drafted the US Constitution. I have
> some mysteries on order from the UK, including P.D. James' latest, which
> should arrive in a week or so.
> I've been doing a bit of American Revolutionary War reading, mostly
> biographical. In the last couple of months I've read biographies of
> Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, and Alexander Hamilton.
Oh, fascinating. Mind giving me more detail, like authors, ISBN numbers,
etc.?
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> If your biography on Lafayette gets you interested in French history, I
> recommend the Antonia Fraser biography of Marie Antoinette.
As soon as I get through my stack of English and Irish history, I plan
to start reading French history (we're going to Paris next year). I've
read Fraser's biography, and have one unread on hand, by Evelyne Lever.
If you have any recommendations, especially academic books on the
history of France, I'd be very appreciative.
Thanks,
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> "Caine" <alecon...@btinet.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns93B76D7A0B798Bi...@130.133.1.4...
> I'm about halfway through Kavalier and Clay at the moment, and quite enjoy
> it so far, even if they do describe Dali as a Surrealist. Other reading -
> Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War, and Andre Breton, Earthlight.
Whose translation of Thucydides? Got an ISBN number?
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:52:30 -0400, Caine wrote
> (in message <Xns93B6DEB1A9ED3a...@130.133.1.4>):
>>Kent wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>>>And if you had hung around this group for any time at all, you'd see
>>>that these traits apply to a GREAT many of the rest of us, too.
>>Hee, Kent, you gave me a nice opportunity to kick off another book thread.
>>What's on everyone's reading list these days?
[bookectomy]
> For a change of pace, I have now started a novel set in WWII England
> (Portsmouth), Goodbye Sweetheart, by Lilian Harry. I ordered it along with a
> lot of other WWII fiction from Amazon.co.uk, since there are many interesting
> books published in the UK that are not otherwise available to me in the U.S.
Let me know what you think of the book. Almost all my English fiction is
pre-19th century, a fault I ought to remedy.
> Books are my vice.
No shit. It doesn't help that the SD has a small book business, which
results in his bringing loads of books into the house, as I scream, "I
want that!" at every third one.
sq