O.T. the gov. steals an hour
rocket scientist
Hint; some clocks with motors / gears may not take kindly to be forces
backwards. better to unplug for an hour.
OK?
Frank Apple
I have one of those watches that reset themselves once a day
from the WWV time signal, and as part of this it automagically
keeps track of DST and advances/retards accordingly.
Unfortunately, it was manufactured before our Keystone Kongress
dinked with the DST dates, so for the next week or two it'll be
off an hour....
--
Frank Apple
Bobchai
Frank:
I just checked with France on Skype, and they are also on DST now, PST
+9.
My VCR still blinks 12:00 year round.
Hawaii does not change at all, so it's now PST -2 hours when I call my
brother. I like that, because now I can call him mid-morning on the
west coast, and he will be up and around.
I'm surprised that your watch has not changed by now, because the
previous date for switchover used to be the third week in October, and
now it's a week later. Maybe I'm not getting it.
I don't like DST, because now it gets dark around 5 PM and many people
have to drive home from work in the dark.
--Bob
h
"Curtis R Anderson" <gle...@gleepy.net> wrote in message
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Hmm, how about own a few clocks instead of watches, which you can reset in a
few minutes, like the rest of us?
h
"rocket scientist" <georg...@toast.net> wrote in message
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Umm, how can "time" be stolen? Measurement is simply that, "measurement".
PLONK!
Frank Apple
> I'm surprised that your watch has not changed by now, because the
> previous date for switchover used to be the third week in October, and
> now it's a week later. Maybe I'm not getting it.
They changed the date. My watch uses (and countless other
appliances use) the old forward/back date. It's hard-coded.
HTH.
> I don't like DST, because now it gets dark around 5 PM and many people
> have to drive home from work in the dark.
When I am King of the World, everybody will go by GMT. You
want to get to work an hour earlier or later? Change your
own damn schedule. It's just a number, dammit.
--
Frank Apple
Frank Apple
> WWV / WWVB / WWVH set a DST flag in the broadcast signal. The watch was
> supposed to be smart enough to know when to go forward and back.
Nope. The date is hardcoded.
Yes, it's a cheap watch. But then again, the dates weren't supposed
to be dinked with.
In the grand scheme of things, it's a minor little annoyance. I'm
not really complaining all that hard - I mean, really! I have a
WRISTWATCH that will ALWAYS have the correct time! (Plus or minus
a full hour, but what-the-hell.)
--
Frank Apple
Bobchai
Frank:
The irritation about time change for me has more to do with latitude
than anything. Why, at continental US latitude, are we changing our
clocks to make late afternoon even WORSE? Shouldn't somebody arriving
home from work have at least a half hour after he/she gets home, to
enjoy the back yard in daylight? What's the point of Daylight Savings
time?
Europe is worse. Bordeaux is above the latitude of Ontario, and I have
no idea about England. Nova Scotia, perhaps?
I've found it amusing to drive to 9AM business meetings in December in
France in total darkness, and then to have darkness fall again about
4:30PM.
I like the idea of the whole world going to GMT, but that's going to
take a major cultural adaptation. Hawaii will be unaffected, because
they are GMT minus 11 or 12, but in between there will be havoc, LOL.
--Bob
Frank Apple
> The irritation about time change for me has more to do with latitude
> than anything. Why, at continental US latitude, are we changing our
> clocks to make late afternoon even WORSE? Shouldn't somebody arriving
> home from work have at least a half hour after he/she gets home, to
> enjoy the back yard in daylight? What's the point of Daylight Savings
> time?
You think you have it bad? I assume you've spent your entire
life this far north - I lived at 9deg N until the age of 19.
The idea that, if the sun is rising or setting, it's somewere
around 6:15 (AM/rise, PM/set), is hard-coded in me. :)
--
Frank Apple
Cindy Hamilton
> what can we do?
They didn't steal an hour, they gave you one at 2 am on Sunday.
Of course, they had borrowed it interest-free last spring.
You're hardly a rocket scientist.
Bobchai
Frank:
My brother lives at 19.7 N on the Island of Hawai'i. What's weird to
me about the tropics is the sudden shift from daylight to darkness.
Sunsets last about 15 minutes, instead of lingering the way they do in
temperate climes. I like to photograph the sunsets whenever I'm over
there, but I know that if not at the right place to shoot pictures,
there's no time to find another place to shoot.
--Bob
Bobchai
Frank:
I lived in central Mexico for years. I know what you're talking
about. I prefer the tropics because I hate the change of seasons and
the change of daylight hours. Living in Alaska would make me
suicidal.
-Bob
Bobchai
> X-No-Archive: yes
>
> On Nov 2, 6:16 am, Bobchai wrote:
>
>
>
> > Frank:
>
> > The irritation about time change for me has more to do with latitude
> > than anything. Why, at continental US latitude, are we changing our
> > clocks to make late afternoon even WORSE? Shouldn't somebody arriving
> > home from work have at least a half hour after he/she gets home, to
> > enjoy the back yard in daylight? What's the point of Daylight Savings
> > time?
>
> any daylight in your backyard. You are supposed to come home and cook
> a pot pie and it in your bed while watching TV until you fall asleep.
> Then get up at sun rise and go back the grindstone for 10 or 11 hours
> workin' for the Man. This the New World Order of Things!
>
> <chesucat cracks a whip>
chesucat:
LOL! You are so wicked! Hit me again...PLEASE!
--Bob
Bobchai
chessucat:
The point of daylight savings time is so all the CHILDREN can board
school buses in the morning in daylight. There's no other reason,
except for farmers milking cows.
--Bob
Pirate Queen
> school buses in the morning in daylight. There's no other reason,
> except for farmers milking cows.
>
> --Bob
Actually, for once, the sproggen aren't to blame for this, nor are the
farmers. Well, not entirely. It's supposed to be about energy and
resource conservation - you know, like taking advantage of the sun and
stuff.
Google the wiki - it's actually got some cool info about DST.
T. - glad to get the extra hour after a week of playing Halloween
parties
Kenny McCormack
Pirate Queen <crumsy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> The point of daylight savings time is so all the CHILDREN can board
>> school buses in the morning in daylight. �There's no other reason,
>> except for farmers milking cows.
Actually, Bob, you've got this exactly backwards. The reason for *not*
having year around DST is so that the CHILDREN will not be boarding
their school buses in the morning in darkness. But for that, we would
have year around DST. This was tried in the 70s, and eventually
discarded for just this reason.
>Actually, for once, the sproggen aren't to blame for this, nor are the
>farmers. Well, not entirely. It's supposed to be about energy and
>resource conservation - you know, like taking advantage of the sun and
>stuff.
A belief system which is, like most belief systems, completely bogus.
>Google the wiki - it's actually got some cool info about DST.
Also, look for the book "Spring Forward" by Michael Downing. Look on
the NPR site for an interview with him, in which he debunks the myths
surrounding DST.
>T. - glad to get the extra hour after a week of playing Halloween
>parties
It is true, though. This week does feel like I have an extra hour to
play with in the mornings. Of course, this too shall pass.
Bobchai
T:
I'll check your sources on this. How is there energy conservation,
when we spend most of our at-home hours in the evening, using lots of
electric lighting and TV? Wouldn't having standard time keep the
lights off for another hour?
I suppose a lot of this is dependent on where you live, latitude-wise.
My latitude (the same as Wash. DC and Rome, Italia) would not have
necessarily the same correspondence to someone living in Vancouver or
Scotland.
--Bob
Sharx35
"Bobchai" <Robert...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:4825b1aa-30c3-419f...@12g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
Daylight savings time has the effect of extending daylight longer into the
evening at the expense of having a darker morning.
If I had MY druthers we would just have STANDARD time and suck it up, i.e.
adjust our personal schedules accordingly.
Bobchai
> "Bobchai" <Robertsonc...@aol.com> wrote in message
Sharx:
Maybe I'm a little dense here, but it got dark at almost 6PM last
week, and now it gets dark at 5PM. Maybe I'm mixing up Daylight with
Standard time. I confess I was never sure of those definitions, but
whatever you call it, making shorter afternoons even *shorter* doesn't
make sense.
--Bob
Sharx35
Daylight time usually goes into effect sometime in March. It reverted to
Standard Time, this year, on November 1. Think: Spring ahead, fall behind
re setting your clocks. So, buy turning back your clock on hour on Nov. 1,
you get light at 5 pm. similar to what it was at SIX p.m. BEFORE NOV. 1.
So, after Nov. 1, less evening light and more morning light. It's all a
crock. Saskatchewan has it right: they stay on STANDARD time the year
around.
Steve Daniels
compelled "Sharx35" <sha...@hotmail.com>, to say:
I'd shove DST *two* hours ahead, and leave it there forever. I
hate coming home in the dark.
--
Howdya like that... we started playing guitar to impress the chicks and wind
up talkin' fingernails with old men.
Ray Boyce - 9.27.09
SkyEyes
As does the state of Arizona. We tried Daylight Savings Time back in
the late 1960s, and hated it. We have more daylight than we need
under normal circumstances. Forget about "saving" any of it.
Now only the Navajo Reservation (excluding Tuba City, which stays on
Mountain Standard Time all year) changes over to DST.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
Kenny McCormack
Sharx35 <sha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
...
>Daylight savings time has the effect of extending daylight longer into the
>evening at the expense of having a darker morning.
First, let's be clear on what "DST" is and what it does.
Quite simply, DST forces us to do everything an hour earlier in the day
than we normally would. I.e., it switches our "9 to 5" world into an
"8 to 4" world. Now, this makes perfect sense, since you will note that
an "8 to 4" world is nicely centered around noon. This is the way
humans *should* center their day, to make best use of available sunlight.
Notes:
1) It would be interesting to know how we got onto a 9-5 schedule at
all. I haven't done any research, but the fact is, it isn't
natural.
2) (Lest you think this is coming from a personal position) I
personally live my life on a 11:30 - 7:30 basis. Obviously, my
line of work is not sunlight based.
>If I had MY druthers we would just have STANDARD time and suck it up, i.e.
>adjust our personal schedules accordingly.
Agreed, and that's the point. There's no reason to screw with the clocks.
What we should do is change our institutions to make them 8-to-4 based
instead of 9-to-5 based. Then we can leave the clocks alone (on what is
now "standard" time [*]). Doing this (switching to an 8-to-4 based
world) is the equivalent of switching to year-around DST (which we
currently *almost* have - thanks to the Bush admin most recently).
Having said that, the one flaw in this is (and this gets us back on
topic): The Children. Specifically, the fact that in the dead of winter,
the children are boarding school buses in the dark. Now, what this says
to me is that the school day starts too early (as you can guess from my
earlier comments about my personal schedule preferences, I never liked
having to get to school by 8 frickin' 30, and I walked/rode my bike.
People who took the bus and/or did extracurriculars had it much worse).
Well, the solution to this is to fix the problem - make the school day
start later (at least in the dead of winter) - rather than to band-aid
it by screwing with the clocks. The easiest way to do this would be to
just leave the schools on their current schedule, while switching
everything else to "8-to-4".
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[*] But note the irony in that term. Given that we (in the US, with
certain exceptions by state/and sometimes county or even city) are on
DST 8 months of the year and on "standard" time only 4, you would be on
firm ground to question what is "standard". Sort of like the terms
"standard transmission" (most cars today are "automatic" - but not
mine) and "regular gas" (which used to mean "leaded", but since
leaded gas is no longer sold, this term now means "regular
unleaded" - which is [or should be] an oxymoron).
Sharx35
"Steve Daniels" <sdan...@gorge.net> wrote in message
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Well, FUCK you cocksucker. No one gives a shit about what YOU like.
Sharx35
"Kenny McCormack" <gaz...@shell.xmission.com> wrote in message
news:hd44ph$kpp$1...@news.xmission.com...
School should be open around the clock to properly utilize the facilities.
If parents bitch, fuck em, let em send the little bastards to private
schools.
Steve Daniels
compelled "Sharx35" <sha...@hotmail.com>, to say:
> > I'd shove DST *two* hours ahead, and leave it there forever. I
> > hate coming home in the dark.
>
> Well, FUCK you cocksucker. No one gives a shit about what YOU like.
I would expect that the folks truly disinterested in what I like
would not have taken the time to respond. The fact that you did
shows that at least one person cares about what I think, and that
if there is only one, that one is you.
--
Rev. Peasboro advises that if you suspect your computer is possessed,
you consult a clergyman or, if the computer is still under warranty,
take it in for servicing. He says, "Technicians can replace the hard
drive and reinstall the software, getting rid of the wicked spirit permanently."
Bobchai
> "Steve Daniels" <sdani...@gorge.net> wrote in message
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> news:ftp8f5hdhpvbj5s3d...@4ax.com...
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>
>
> > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:16:20 GMT, against all advice, something
>
> >> "Bobchai" <Robertsonc...@aol.com> wrote in message
Sharx:
I suggest decaf.
--Bob
Bobchai
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> news:ftp8f5hdhpvbj5s3d...@4ax.com...
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>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:16:20 GMT, against all advice, something
Sharx:
I suggest de-caf.
--Bob
Bobchai
>
> news:ftp8f5hdhpvbj5s3d...@4ax.com...
>
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> > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:16:20 GMT, against all advice, something
Sharx:
De-caf.
--Bob