Re: Ot: Gardening, Flowers
REP
Caine <alecon...@btinet.net> wrote:
> Oh my. I know it's months and months and months away, but I've been trying
> to figure out what I want to plant next year. The pretty stuff. Two of the
> big pine trees out front are in a large built up brick area, so it's
> serious shaded. I'm filling that with catmint. Daisies and yarrow are
> already running riot. So are a few other things which I haven't identified.
>
> Things I want to do:
>
> Chrysanthemums, lots.
> Pasque flower
> Sweet pea
> Cannas
> Celosia
> Cleome
> Four-O'Clock
> Heliotrope
> Mignonette
> Moonflower
> Nasturtium
> Nicotiana
> Pincushion Flower
> Fountain Grass (Pennisetum spp.)
> Gaillardia
> Hare's Tail (Lagarus ovatus)
> Nigella
> Rudbeckia (wild as hell all over the place here)
>
> So, who has experience with any of these? Any other suggestions for zone 5?
I grow nasturtium and Four-o-clocks, and grow them well because they are
heart they are basically weeds. Beautiful, hearty weeds. With the
nasturiums, I bought a packet of seeds in the colors I liked the best,
threw them onto watered ground (didn't even bother to cover), and kept
watering with Miracle Grow. When they came up, I ate the least-favorite
colors and let the others go to seeds, and watered them in. At the end
of the first season (Octoberish), pick up the dead trailers, shaking
them to make sure all seed pods are out (it sounds like more work than
it really is) and just make sure that that part of the ground gets
regular moistenings. They're supposed to thrive in crappy soil with no
food, but mine are okay soil and I feed them; I find it makes the color
better and the flavor sharper (if you plan on eating them; I like them
to taste like sweet radishes).
Four-o-clocks: plant once. You can forget where you planted them, forget
to water them, purposely try to kill them - they will never, ever go
away. Plant only if you really really want four-o-clocks forever and
ever, amen.
Heliotrope: Needs more water than you'd think reading the package, and
less direct hot sun than you'd think from the name. Smells nice, though.
Celosia: Picky, picky, picky. Very easy to give too much or too little
sun or water.
Chrysanthemums: super easy. Hardest part is pinching back to make the
plant fuller (I'm so grateful to any plant that actually grows for me I
hate to pinch back). Also lucky for those with weird superstitions.
May I suggest the lowly geranium and scented geranium? I thought I
didn't like them, but I was wrong. Brain-dead easy to grow; many
gorgeous colors (I have a "Rocket," a bright pink-orange that is more
lovely than I make it sound, and a Burgundy that is a rich, jewel-red)
that smells nice (the scented ones smell even better). Rosemary is
another aesthetically pleasing plant; small lavendar flowers on
dark-green needles and you can cook with your shrubbery! Also great for
poor, dry soil and is cold and heat tolerant.
--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
REP
Caine <alecon...@btinet.net> wrote:
> REP wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
> > May I suggest the lowly geranium and scented geranium? I thought I
> > didn't like them, but I was wrong. Brain-dead easy to grow; many
> > gorgeous colors (I have a "Rocket," a bright pink-orange that is more
> > lovely than I make it sound, and a Burgundy that is a rich, jewel-red)
> > that smells nice (the scented ones smell even better). Rosemary is
> > another aesthetically pleasing plant; small lavendar flowers on
> > dark-green needles and you can cook with your shrubbery! Also great for
> > poor, dry soil and is cold and heat tolerant.
> >
>
> Thanks, I hadn't considered geraniums. I've grown nasturtiums for years,
> they are a must in salad, aren't they?
If salad means "eat big handfuls of flowers and leaves without a bowl,"
then yes, yes they are. Loved One, who had never had horseradish until
he met me, didn't know what to think when he saw me eating my flowers.
> Rosemary I grow, as well as
> lavendar. There are many plants I still need to dig up from the old place
> to transplant here. We're never, ever gonna get moved.
Most of my garden is in pots, so when I had to move it, I could.
I think it was you who said something about putting mint in a pot to
keep it from taking over a garden. Like most of my plants, my chocolate
mint was in a pot. It got out its original pot and moved into one I
guess it liked better, about four feet away. It did plant some of itself
in the tiny groundspace along the way, but mostly just seemed to want a
different pot. Go figger.
Spandau
> Oh my. I know it's months and months and months away, but I've been trying
> to figure out what I want to plant next year. The pretty stuff. Two of the
> big pine trees out front are in a large built up brick area, so it's
> serious shaded. I'm filling that with catmint. Daisies and yarrow are
> already running riot. So are a few other things which I haven't identified.
>
> Sweet Pea
Some have a strong scent, and they are great for covering fences or
buildings that you might not want to look at. :-)
> Heliotrope
> Mignonette
These two have heady scents, too. The mignonette is not a flashy
bloomer, but the scent more than makes up for it.
The scent of heliotrope has always reminded me of the smell of those
candy cigarettes we used to buy as sprogs: sort of sweet and
wintergreeny at the same time.
>Moonflower
Picture a night-blooming morning-glory vine with huge, white, fragrant
flowers.
>Nasturtium
This is not only a nice garden flower, but is tasty in salads; it's kind
of peppery. The flowers make a great edible garnish for dishes.
> Nicotiana
I just moved, and the nicotiana easily survived being dug up, dragged
to another town, and plopped back into the ground, and has continued to
bloom without missing a beat. It's an annual, so it was probably stupid
of me to move it this late in the season, but it's a pretty plant, and I
hated to leave it behind.
My nicotiana are the standard-issue, garden-center miniature variety,
maybe 18" tall, but there are other varieties that can reach 5' in
height. Nicotiana has a lovely scent, too.
Isn't it great to move to a new place with lots of gardening space? :-)
Spandau (from townhouse to 119-year-old Victorian fortress)
Mary
zone 5?
Zone 5, Caine? Really? Minneapolis is 4. I'd have thought the
Bismarck area was four at least.
Anyway -- I put in some bee balm and I really like it. Sedum's nice
too. And in the heavily shaded places where you can't put anything
else I have violets, which are gorgeous in spring and nice greenery the
rest of the summer. But be warned: they run rampant. Don't expect
them to share space with anything else.
Mary
Kari
> Oh my. I know it's months and months and months away, but I've been trying
> to figure out what I want to plant next year. The pretty stuff. Two of the
> big pine trees out front are in a large built up brick area, so it's
> serious shaded. I'm filling that with catmint. Daisies and yarrow are
> already running riot. So are a few other things which I haven't identified.
>
>
I actually surprised myself as well as a couple of
nursery workers by successfully getting 7 blooms
from my calla lilly bulbs! I was told I would be
lucky if I could just get stalks and leaves in our
climate. These flowers don't do very well here in Texas.
Next week I am looking forward to seeing my wild
spider lillies come up! They come up every year
at the front corner of my house and stay for about
two weeks.
My family's cemetery has the most beautiful wild
tulips you could evr see. If I can ever get a web
page set up, I'll show some pics of my spider lillies
and the wild tulips. I have never seen so many
varieties of tulips in my life.
Kari
Orchid
wrote:
>Oh my. I know it's months and months and months away, but I've been trying
>to figure out what I want to plant next year. The pretty stuff. Two of the
>big pine trees out front are in a large built up brick area, so it's
>serious shaded. I'm filling that with catmint. Daisies and yarrow are
>already running riot. So are a few other things which I haven't identified.
I don't know if you have cats and/or if they go out either on
leashes or to roam, but some of the plants on your list are highly
poisonous to cats. My boys like to sample greenery when they're on
their leashes, so I thought you should be aware of:
>Things I want to do:
>
>Chrysanthemums, lots.
Poisonous to cats
>Sweet pea
Poisonous to cats
>Cleome
Poisonous to cats
>Four-O'Clock
Poisonous to cats
Orchid
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Kari
> Orchid wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
>
>>I don't know if you have cats and/or if they go out either on
>>leashes or to roam, but some of the plants on your list are highly
>>poisonous to cats. My boys like to sample greenery when they're on
>>their leashes, so I thought you should be aware of:
>>
>
>
> I've mentioned it enough goddamn times. I'm not planting a flower bed in
> there.
No need to explain yourself, Caine. Some people
get their stummies all in a knot over the most
petty things. Let Orchid be upset. You run your
home the way you see fit and don't make any
apologies. I have no doubt that you have a lot
of common sense and your cats are well taken
care of. (I would think we would be hearing
otherwise if you didn't).
Kari, not against the safety of pets--just
tired of people being judged by others
based on assumptions
No kids 4 you
>Caine wrote:
>> Orchid wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>>
>>
>>>I don't know if you have cats and/or if they go out either on
>>>leashes or to roam, but some of the plants on your list are highly
>>>poisonous to cats. My boys like to sample greenery when they're on
>>>their leashes, so I thought you should be aware of:
>>>
>>
>>
>> One last time: My cats have 24/7 access to a 12 x 12 kennel, fully roofed.
>> I've mentioned it enough goddamn times. I'm not planting a flower bed in
>> there.
>
>
>No need to explain yourself, Caine. Some people
>get their stummies all in a knot over the most
>petty things. Let Orchid be upset. You run your
>home the way you see fit and don't make any
>apologies. I have no doubt that you have a lot
>of common sense and your cats are well taken
>care of. (I would think we would be hearing
>otherwise if you didn't).
>
>Kari
Petty things indeed! I don't think casual mention of poisenous plants heeds an
"I've mentioned it enough goddamn times" response. How was Orchid to know
where Caine's cat go when and if they are out? Her response was charistically
rude.
Kari
> Kari wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
>
>
>>No need to explain yourself, Caine. Some people
>>get their stummies all in a knot over the most
>>petty things. Let Orchid be upset. You run your
>>home the way you see fit and don't make any
>>apologies. I have no doubt that you have a lot
>>of common sense and your cats are well taken
>>care of. (I would think we would be hearing
>>otherwise if you didn't).
>
>
> Thanks, Kari.
You bet!
For me, and me alone, I don't believe in denying cats the
> outside. My cats have a limited outside, that's all. ;) We do want to
> enlarge their outside room next year. As the old crew all lived to be
> 17/18, I'm not too concerned about my ability to care for them. The only
> thing they like to munch is catmint and grass anyway. The big dogs just
> graze on grass.
My cats are all safe, too. They only chew on a little
grass outside and they are all fixed so they don't
wander too far away from the food dish. They don't
even stay out for long periods, either. Plus, we are
feeding a neighbor's cat that lives outside (we've
tried to bring him in, but Abilene and Spook will
have no part of him). We are also feeding a feral we
call Missy.
Some people need to realize that just because some of
us have differing ways of taking care of our pets
doesn't make us unaware of the dangers to animals nor
does it make us irresponsible pet owners.
>
>
>>Kari, not against the safety of pets--just
>>tired of people being judged by others
>>based on assumptions
>
>
> Amen, Sister.
:) :) :)
Kari
Kari
> No kids 4 you wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
>
>>Petty things indeed! I don't think casual mention of poisenous plants
>>heeds an "I've mentioned it enough goddamn times" response. How was
>>Orchid to know where Caine's cat go when and if they are out? Her
>>response was charistically rude.
>
>
> Here's another *characteristically* rude response: Go fuck yourself.
Amen, sister!
Geez! Like Caine doesn't know anything about what
Orchid is all knotted up about.............
However Caine takes care of her cats is her
business.
Kari, off to take a Tums herself :)
No kids 4 you
>Date: 9/10/04 5:33 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <EYp0d.640$lX.439@trnddc04>
Ah yes...the reason I only see what you post when your whorshipers quote it for
me. Why always so sassy? Hasn't anyone ever said to you that if you don't
have anything nice to say don't say anything at all? No? Well, I guess it's a
good thing or you'd never get to speak. Yeah, that's right, never get to
speak. It seems like you are so quick to jump down anyone's throat without
reason. So quick that I lost interest in you days after finding this board. I
think you were on a binge of "killfile whoever" at that time. It got old
quick. So does your lack of effort and creativity in your last response to me.
Typical.
Kari
> Kari wrote:
>
>>My cats are all safe, too. They only chew on a little
>>grass outside and they are all fixed so they don't
>>wander too far away from the food dish. They don't
>>even stay out for long periods, either. Plus, we are
>>feeding a neighbor's cat that lives outside (we've
>>tried to bring him in, but Abilene and Spook will
>>have no part of him). We are also feeding a feral we
>>call Missy.
>
>
>
> We call our purries The Porch Cats. Open the door and they'll step
> outside as far as the deck, work on their tans for a few hours, then
> bawl to be let back in. One fella will go as far as Dh's car. Shir
> Khan seems to feel a special affront every time I wash it, and feels
> it is his duty to go put fresh paw prints on it. A rainy day makes him
> especially inventive; he likes to slide down the windshield and admire
> the skid marks.
Heeheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Believe you me--I'd take
cat paw prints on my freshly-washed car any 'ol day
than bird hooey. Frasier practically tries to get
run over in our driveway (we do watch out for him),
because he's so afraid of missing a bite of food.
> I don't like to get into the arguments about Outside Cat=Bad Cat.
I agree. It also doesn't mean "bad owner".
I just shake my head when I think about mine. They see a bird and I can
> almost sense the little thought balloon that pops over their heads:
> "hmmm, yesss. I do believe that is a burd. feathery thing. makes
> annoying cheeping sounds. I know the rule book says I must chase,
> pounce, and dismember those pesky things, but REALLY. It would just
> too much of a bother. hmmmpf. zzzzzzz."
Me, too! The squirrels are what give my cats and
Buster such a big fit. We have a pecan tree, so
you can imagine the squirrel population around here.
> We also have an outside feral cat, that it took 6 months to tame.
> Star. And now we have Road Kill, but I'm still looking for a new home
> for that little monster. He's been cured of his ills, prolly doubled
> his weight, and has turned into a little hellion. Big change from the
> dirty waif I almost squished a week ago.
We now are also feeding a possum. Around my house,
DH and I make sure that there is no shortage of
food and love for any critter that just may happen
to show up. :) Bitsy, Frasier and Missy are not at
all bothered by its presence. Missy started out
being all skin and bones. Now she's starting to
fill out very well and is looking much more healthy.
I must commend you for taking in little Road Kill
and getting him all cured up and fattened up. I'm
sure he thanks you, too. Lots of luck to you in
finding him a good home! :)
Kari
Keith Barber
news:20040910195003...@mb-m17.aol.com:
> Ah yes...the reason I only see what you post when your whorshipers
> quote it for me. Why always so sassy? Hasn't anyone ever said to you
> that if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all?
> No? Well, I guess it's a
>
and you just came out of the killfile, back in there for good asshat.
--
Keith Barber
ane...@comcast.net
I am the housing fairy
Kari
> Kari wrote:
>
>>Frasier practically tries to get
>>run over in our driveway (we do watch out for him),
>>because he's so afraid of missing a bite of food.
>
>
> I show this photo to shock people. It's not a squished cat, just one
> that liked to live dangerously. We lived on a busy street at that
> time, and had to keep the cats inside, or in their cat gazebo. Molly
> just happened to get out this time, and I grabbed the camera for a
> quick shot before scooping her up, scolding her and then tossing her
> furry butt in the house
>
> http://photos.yahoo.com/silverwinglady2002
Oy! I'd say she liked to live dangerously! There's
just something about cats I guess.
Kari
nil...@invalid.com.au
posted on 10 Sep 2004 23:50:03 GMT, No kids 4 you wrote:
>>From: Kari felici...@verizon.net
>
>>Date: 9/10/04 5:33 PM Central Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <EYp0d.640$lX.439@trnddc04>
>>
>>Caine wrote:
>>
>>> No kids 4 you wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Petty things indeed! I don't think casual mention of poisenous plants
>>>>heeds an "I've mentioned it enough goddamn times" response. How was
>>>>Orchid to know where Caine's cat go when and if they are out? Her
>>>>response was charistically rude.
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's another *characteristically* rude response: Go fuck yourself.
>>
>>
>>Amen, sister!
>>
>>Geez! Like Caine doesn't know anything about what
>>Orchid is all knotted up about.............
>>
>>However Caine takes care of her cats is her
>>business.
>>
>>
>>Kari, off to take a Tums herself :)
>>
>
>>> Here's another *characteristically* rude response: Go fuck yourself.
Note that she doesn't provide instructions as to how she
thinks that both male and female members of the group might
try to accomplish this feat. Or perhaps we could just ask
her to define her terms a bit more closely.
>
>Ah yes...the reason I only see what you post when your whorshipers quote it for
>me. Why always so sassy?
Just "sassy"? I can think of many less pleasant terms but
usually try to avoid using them, especially on usenet.
> Hasn't anyone ever said to you that if you don't
>have anything nice to say don't say anything at all? No? Well, I guess it's a
>good thing or you'd never get to speak. Yeah, that's right, never get to
>speak. It seems like you are so quick to jump down anyone's throat without
>reason. So quick that I lost interest in you days after finding this board. I
>think you were on a binge of "killfile whoever" at that time. It got old
>quick.
I rec'd much the same response to my initial post, and
wondered about it at the time. Such unreasoning hostility
isn't all that usual on most usenet groups.
*At first, considered that Caine might have considered
herself as _ Fraktionsvorsitzender_ of the group, whether
others had appointed her to this position or not.
*Then I considered that perhaps she had never learned basic
consideration for others.
* Then I considered that she had been told, but rejected her
teaching for some reason. I started thinking in terms of
some sort of personality problem. This could be reactive
or endogenous.
* If endogenous, perhaps just the way she is, and if she
refuses to seek help perhaps we will just have to endure her
or ignore her.
* If reactive, or situational, lots of possible causes,
including PMS. In which case we should try to sympathize
and even try to empathize with her.
Can male members of a group really empathize with such
problems? According to a recent news report, perhaps.
-------
Study shows men also suffer from PMS
By Elizabeth Hopkirk, Evening Standard
10 September 2004
>http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/13094283?source=Evening%20Standard<
-------
* This is supposed to be a support group, and am sure that
many of us would be willing to try to help her. Some are
willing to ask for help, others such as Geoff don't seem to
be willing to accept any.
Perhaps Caine might be willing to confide in the group to
see if anyone could help her with her problems?
> So does your lack of effort and creativity in your last response to me.
> Typical.
Ah, lets not hope that it is *typical*. In my limited time
with the group she doesn't seem all that unintelligent.
Must admit have not checked her past posts, though.
Some people do seem to consider themselves as far superior
to the rest of us. :-)
Um, getting back to her original advice to you, which I
suspect may have been offered to many others in the past.
Most people would consider the action anatomically
impossible for most of us with the anatomy equipment
supplied at birth.
However, there are cases where people are born with a mixed
set of sexual organs, and what is impossible for us may be
possible for them.
Doubt if this is the case with Caine, but perhaps she would
like to clarify whether she considers such copulation with
self as anatomically impossible or not.
Don't remember hearing of such a case offhand, but have
heard of people who claimed to be capable of oral
self-stimulation.
If Caine is capable of either, she could probably make a lot
of money in the porn market.
Always something new to learn, isn't there? Perhaps Caine
might like to clarify such issues?
Or if she doesn't want to annoy others posting on this
group, perhaps she might like to just back off a little and
try to be a bit more polite to newcomers?
Regards,
"nilkids"
Auntie Em
wrote:
>Oh my. I know it's months and months and months away, but I've been trying
>to figure out what I want to plant next year. The pretty stuff. Two of the
>big pine trees out front are in a large built up brick area, so it's
>serious shaded. I'm filling that with catmint. Daisies and yarrow are
>already running riot. So are a few other things which I haven't identified.
>
>Things I want to do:
>
>Chrysanthemums, lots.
>Pasque flower
>Sweet pea
From personal experience, I would STRONGLY suggest that you do not
plant Sweet Peas in with the other plants in your garden. Otherwise
you will be spending ALL of your time trying desperately to not have
them take over every single square inch. Sweet peas want desperately
to be the ONLY FLOWER in the garden and do a pretty effective job of
making their dreams come true.
They are beautiful and smell sweet, but I would think of them more as
ground cover, or for filling in a LARGE (VERY LARGE), open area rather
than trying to have other flowers compete with them (which, by and
large, they cannot.)
YMMV
Em
The first half of our lives is ruined by our parents,
and the second half by our children.
--- Clarence Darrow
(make that YOUR children).
Auntie Em
>Orchid wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
>> I don't know if you have cats and/or if they go out either on
>> leashes or to roam, but some of the plants on your list are highly
>> poisonous to cats. My boys like to sample greenery when they're on
>> their leashes, so I thought you should be aware of:
>>
>
>One last time: My cats have 24/7 access to a 12 x 12 kennel, fully roofed.
>I've mentioned it enough goddamn times. I'm not planting a flower bed in
>there.
>
>Caine
Hell, I can't remember what people wrote YESTERDAY - getting old
mebbe.
Sklenge
> Oh my. I know it's months and months and months away, but I've been trying
> to figure out what I want to plant next year. The pretty stuff. Two of the
> big pine trees out front are in a large built up brick area, so it's
> serious shaded. I'm filling that with catmint. Daisies and yarrow are
> already running riot. So are a few other things which I haven't identified.
>
> Things I want to do:
>
> Nasturtium
> Nigella
I love these - they're easy to grow in the UK. Personally I don't bother
with any plant that needs tons of tlc it has to be hardy enough to withstand
a frosting out there. Columbines are easy to self seed in the same way as
Nasturtium/Nigella. I'm not much of a one for flowers - I prefer
architectural shapes and evergreen leaves to keep everything looking similar
all year round.
One of the things I like about Nasturtiums is the moment when they get all
leggy and take over, just as the first frost comes in and turns the whole
lot to jelly. Then I really know the growing season is over and I can start
looking forward to cuddling up inside with the bad weather.
>
> So, who has experience with any of these? Any other suggestions for zone 5?
>
> Caine
Sklenge
> I grow nasturtium and Four-o-clocks, and grow them well because they are
> heart they are basically weeds. Beautiful, hearty weeds. With the
> nasturiums, I bought a packet of seeds in the colors I liked the best,
> threw them onto watered ground (didn't even bother to cover), and kept
> watering with Miracle Grow. When they came up, I ate the least-favorite
> colors and let the others go to seeds, and watered them in. At the end
> of the first season (Octoberish), pick up the dead trailers, shaking
> them to make sure all seed pods are out (it sounds like more work than
> it really is) and just make sure that that part of the ground gets
> regular moistenings. They're supposed to thrive in crappy soil with no
> food, but mine are okay soil and I feed them; I find it makes the color
> better and the flavor sharper (if you plan on eating them; I like them
> to taste like sweet radishes).
If I'm going to eat something I don't feed it chemicals. Is Miracle Grow
safe to eat?
> May I suggest the lowly geranium and scented geranium? I thought I
> didn't like them, but I was wrong. Brain-dead easy to grow; many
> gorgeous colors (I have a "Rocket," a bright pink-orange that is more
> lovely than I make it sound, and a Burgundy that is a rich, jewel-red)
> that smells nice (the scented ones smell even better). Rosemary is
> another aesthetically pleasing plant; small lavendar flowers on
> dark-green needles and you can cook with your shrubbery! Also great for
> poor, dry soil and is cold and heat tolerant.
Also planting your veg/fruit in with your flowers is another way of
encouraging more interaction with the whole garden - I've got my courgette
pretending to be a Gunnera at the moment, it's doing a really good job. When
I put my veg in with everything else (I don't have much option, I have a
tiny garden) I find I spend more time out there noticing things. And I think
it kind of works as complimentary planting to keep the pests in their place.
nil...@invalid.com.au
posted on Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:26:01 -0500, Auntie Em wrote:
>On 10 Sep 2004 20:41:35 GMT, Caine <alecon...@btinet.net> wrote:
>
>>Orchid wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>>
>>> I don't know if you have cats and/or if they go out either on
>>> leashes or to roam, but some of the plants on your list are highly
>>> poisonous to cats. My boys like to sample greenery when they're on
>>> their leashes, so I thought you should be aware of:
>>>
>>
>>One last time: My cats have 24/7 access to a 12 x 12 kennel, fully roofed.
>>I've mentioned it enough goddamn times. I'm not planting a flower bed in
>>there.
>>
>>Caine
>
>
>Hell, I can't remember what people wrote YESTERDAY - getting old
>mebbe.
>
>Em
Also depends on how much read a day, on the net or
otherwise, what else you do, and so on. :-)
Perhaps Caine thinks that we print out her posts in ornate
Old English type on parchment and spend the rest of the day
coloring them in and applying gold leaf to the leading
capitals for posterity?
If so, Caine, sorry to disappoint you. I don't print out
anyone's posts, just read them off the screen in ASCII or
ANSI.
Sorry to inform that your posts look the same as other
posts, and don't glow with any mystic significance.
To use a phrase which has become a bit common on some
segments of Usenet, "Opinions are like assholes, everyone
has one, and they all smell more or less the same."
Do you expect everyone who reads this group to remember your
arrangements for your cats? Or even that you have cats?
They are far more likely to remember your sharp tongue and
somewhat bitchy attitude.
But that is OK, Caine, we do try to understand, and most if
not all are willing to help you if you seem to need help
and are willing to accept it. Are you expecting engraved
invitations, perhaps?
This is _supposedly_ a support group. Or was Geoff right
when he claimed it was a shark tank?
Just what role do you want to play, Caine? Do let the rest
of us know, will you? Some of us think we could guess, but
we really do want to give you the benefit of the doubt....
Regards,
"nilkids"
However
nil...@invalid.com.au
posted on Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:22:34 -0500, Auntie Em wrote:
>On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 02:43:28 -0500, Caine <alecon...@btinet.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Oh my. I know it's months and months and months away, but I've been trying
>>to figure out what I want to plant next year. The pretty stuff. Two of the
>>big pine trees out front are in a large built up brick area, so it's
>>serious shaded. I'm filling that with catmint. Daisies and yarrow are
>>already running riot. So are a few other things which I haven't identified.
>>
>>Things I want to do:
>>
>>Chrysanthemums, lots.
>>Pasque flower
>>Sweet pea
>
>From personal experience, I would STRONGLY suggest that you do not
>plant Sweet Peas in with the other plants in your garden. Otherwise
>you will be spending ALL of your time trying desperately to not have
>them take over every single square inch. Sweet peas want desperately
>to be the ONLY FLOWER in the garden and do a pretty effective job of
>making their dreams come true.
Tell us, Auntie Em, is it true that the old name of "sweet
pea" is about to be officially renamed "Caine vine"? :-)
Sort of the terrestrial [or Internet] equivalent of Water
hyacinth _Eichhornia crassipes_ that infests so many canals
worldwide and tries to choke out all other life? :-)
Regards,
"nilkids"
REP
Omixochitl <omixoch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> REP <r...@inanna.com> wrote in news:2qdi85F...@uni-berlin.de:
>
> > I think it was you who said something about putting mint in a pot to
> > keep it from taking over a garden. Like most of my plants, my chocolate
> > mint was in a pot. It got out its original pot and moved into one I
> > guess it liked better, about four feet away. It did plant some of itself
> > in the tiny groundspace along the way, but mostly just seemed to want a
> > different pot. Go figger.
>
> I've heard of orangutans doing the same thing.
Uh, yeah ... potted plants and primates are known for having about the
same level of sentience and intelligence and all ... sure ... Most
people put a plant in a pot, then put it in a cage to keep the damn
thing from running amok.
--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
Rabbit
> yard. I wasn't planning to do any flower beds in the back yard, so I was
> going to plant sweet peas along the back fence.
>
> Caine
>
If it's a strong fence and you're patient, why not wisteria?
Rabbit
Rabbit
roofed.
> >I've mentioned it enough goddamn times. I'm not planting a flower bed in
> >there.
> >
> >Caine
>
>
> Hell, I can't remember what people wrote YESTERDAY - getting old
> mebbe.
>
I was thinking the same thing. When someone offers friendly advice, I really
don't see any need to get snarky about it ...
Rabbit
Orchid
>Orchid wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
>> I don't know if you have cats and/or if they go out either on
>> leashes or to roam, but some of the plants on your list are highly
>> poisonous to cats. My boys like to sample greenery when they're on
>> their leashes, so I thought you should be aware of:
>>
>
>One last time: My cats have 24/7 access to a 12 x 12 kennel, fully roofed.
>I've mentioned it enough goddamn times. I'm not planting a flower bed in
>there.
*blink* *boggle* I'm sorry -- I'm not certain how I managed
to offend you. I couldn't remember what your catted situation was,
and I was just trying to help. Maybe my cats are the only ones who
enjoy eating random green shit and perhaps I'm overprotective, but I
thought you might like to be aware.
Glad to hear you have an enclosure -- I want to get around to
building one for my boys.
Orchid
See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage
Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid
Orchid
wrote:
>Caine wrote:
>> Orchid wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>>
>>
>>>I don't know if you have cats and/or if they go out either on
>>>leashes or to roam, but some of the plants on your list are highly
>>>poisonous to cats. My boys like to sample greenery when they're on
>>>their leashes, so I thought you should be aware of:
>>>
>>
>>
>> One last time: My cats have 24/7 access to a 12 x 12 kennel, fully roofed.
>> I've mentioned it enough goddamn times. I'm not planting a flower bed in
>> there.
>
>
>No need to explain yourself, Caine. Some people
>get their stummies all in a knot over the most
>petty things. Let Orchid be upset.
I'm really not upset. I was just trying to share some
knowledge that I got when I was planning my garden.
>You run your
>home the way you see fit and don't make any
>apologies. I have no doubt that you have a lot
>of common sense and your cats are well taken
>care of. (I would think we would be hearing
>otherwise if you didn't).
Where did I imply that she can't plant whatever she wants or
that she was a bad cat owner?
>Kari, not against the safety of pets--just
>tired of people being judged by others
>based on assumptions
What judging? Where? It's not like I said 'You evil
incompetant cat-hating bitch who lets her cats roam freely! Your
stupid ugly plants will kill your cat!' (Or that I meant that, before
anyone freaks out). I simply tried to share some knowledge that I had
gotten and thought, obviously incorrectly, that others might be
interested in.
Rabbit
> It hadn't occurred to me? I've never grown wisteria. Anything I need to
> know?
>
The fence has to be big and very strong, because wisteria is a big vine,
both in its width and in the size and weight of its branches. You have to be
patient, because it can take years to bloom, but when it does, you'll be
glad you waited. There are two types, and don't ask me to remember which is
which, but they bloom at different times and you tell by the direction the
vines turn (clockwise v counterclockwise).
I grew one and after about five years it bloomed, then died the next year.
That's unusual. But it's growing again from the root, so I have hope for it
(it's not a good spot, too wet from the sump emptying nearby).
Rabbit
J.W.T. Meakin
ne...@ascendancy.net says...
>
> I simply tried to share some knowledge that I had
> gotten and thought, obviously incorrectly, that others might be
> interested in.
Well I have cats, and a garden, and it was new and useful info. as
far as I was concerned. Didn't know any of it before. So thanks for
posting it.
Bill.
nil...@invalid.com.au
posted on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:27:07 -0400, Orchid wrote:
>On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:49:10 GMT, Kari <felici...@verizon.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Caine wrote:
>>> Orchid wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>>> [snip]
>
> What judging? Where? It's not like I said 'You evil
>incompetant cat-hating bitch who lets her cats roam freely! Your
>stupid ugly plants will kill your cat!' (Or that I meant that, before
>anyone freaks out). I simply tried to share some knowledge that I had
>gotten and thought, obviously incorrectly, that others might be
>interested in.
Some of us are, Orchid. Caine isn't the only cat owner on
the group, and I believe that any info that will help
protect pets is justified. Especially when it isn't
generally known.
Otherwise I wouldn't have posted the ProMed items about
the recall of the heartworm treatment for dogs + the rabid
bats. People who don't want to read such info don't have to
do so, and I see no excuse for Caine losing her temper. As
you will see in my post to her. :-)
I didn't know that these plants were poisonous to cats
and have saved your post for future reference.
Regards,
"nilkids"
Regards,
"nilkids"
Keith Barber
news:Xns95617815BB0F...@news.individual.net:
>> If it's a strong fence and you're patient, why not wisteria?
>
> It hadn't occurred to me? I've never grown wisteria. Anything I need to
> know?
>
Don't plant it too near the house unless you plan to keep it carefully
pruned, I once saw a house that the wisteria pulled a well built porch
off.
Stella Hackell
<alecon...@btinet.net> wrote:
> Oh my. I know it's months and months and months away, but I've been trying
> to figure out what I want to plant next year. The pretty stuff. Two of the
> big pine trees out front are in a large built up brick area, so it's
> serious shaded. I'm filling that with catmint. Daisies and yarrow are
> already running riot. So are a few other things which I haven't identified.
If you like vines, Thunbergia alata is fast-growing and has gorgeous orange
flowers. It would be an annual in your zone. Annual morning glory is also
beautiful.
--
Stella Hackell ste...@lmi.net
She who succeeds in gaining the mastery of the bicycle will gain the
mastery of life.
--Frances E. Willard, _How I Learned to Ride the Bicycle_
No kids 4 you
>>From personal experience, I would STRONGLY suggest that you do not
>>plant Sweet Peas in with the other plants in your garden. Otherwise
>>you will be spending ALL of your time trying desperately to not have
>>them take over every single square inch. Sweet peas want desperately
>>to be the ONLY FLOWER in the garden and do a pretty effective job of
>>making their dreams come true.
>
>Tell us, Auntie Em, is it true that the old name of "sweet
>pea" is about to be officially renamed "Caine vine"? :-)
>
>Sort of the terrestrial [or Internet] equivalent of Water
>hyacinth _Eichhornia crassipes_ that infests so many canals
>worldwide and tries to choke out all other life? :-)
>
>Regards,
>"nilkids"
>
Heh. Heh, heh, heh, thanks for the snicker.
nil...@invalid.com.au
posted on 11 Sep 2004 23:30:32 GMT, No kids 4 you wrote:
[snip]
>>
>>Tell us, Auntie Em, is it true that the old name of "sweet
>>pea" is about to be officially renamed "Caine vine"? :-)
>>
>>Sort of the terrestrial [or Internet] equivalent of Water
>>hyacinth _Eichhornia crassipes_ that infests so many canals
>>worldwide and tries to choke out all other life? :-)
>>
>>Regards,
>>"nilkids"
>
>Heh. Heh, heh, heh, thanks for the snicker.
You are welcome, but I usually try to be nicer unless
someone offends me.
As the old excuse goes "The Devil made me do it" :-)
Regards,
"nilkids"
MRFeathers
>flowers. It would be an annual in your zone. Annual morning glory is also
>beautiful.
Morning glories ARE beautiful, but don't plant them by the mailbox. We did
that one year and by the end of the summer the mailbox wasn't visible.
Just completely covered with a tangle of vines.
Mary
No kids 4 you
>nokid...@aol.com (No kids 4 you) wrote in
>news:20040910195003...@mb-m17.aol.com:
>
>> Ah yes...the reason I only see what you post when your whorshipers
>> quote it for me. Why always so sassy? Hasn't anyone ever said to you
>> that if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all?
>> No? Well, I guess it's a
>>
>
>and you just came out of the killfile, back in there for good asshat.
>
>--
>Keith Barber
Don't worry Keith, I don't need an entourage. I do however hope that you
noticed that I wasn't alone in my assessment of Caine's response. I'm tired of
seeing people here get bullied for putting up information. Was the response
fair to Orchid? Should she have been shredded for posting about poisonous
plants? Is there a rule here about that? Why should she be expected to
remember anything about anyone's pet status? Hell, if someone asked me the
same thing twice I sure as hell would not jump down their throat because they
DARED to forget something that *I* had said. I'm not a fathead like that. I
didn't think you were either but I guess I was wrong. You wanted to be lumped
with Caine, fine. Enjoy your Sunday Services with her.
nil...@invalid.com.au
posted on Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:22:06 GMT,
Itz...@bluemooncafe.com wrote:
>On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:15:20 GMT, nil...@invalid.com.au wrote:
>
>>Some of us are, Orchid. Caine isn't the only cat owner on
>>the group, and I believe that any info that will help
>>protect pets is justified. Especially when it isn't
>>generally known.
>> Otherwise I wouldn't have posted the ProMed items about
>>the recall of the heartworm treatment for dogs + the rabid
>>bats. People who don't want to read such info don't have to
>>do so, and I see no excuse for Caine losing her temper. As
>>you will see in my post to her. :-)
>> I didn't know that these plants were poisonous to cats
>>and have saved your post for future reference.
>
>Taken from http://cats.about.com/cs/catfood/a/humanfood.htm :
Thanks for posting the reference and the info. Am always
interested in info in anything that relates to potential
hazards to people and pets, especially where a reference is
given!
Haven't had time to check the reference yet, but as to the
material quoted must admit that not familiar with most of
it.
However, will say that most people I know feed their cats
on cat food and whatever tidbits or leftovers they are
interested in accepting.
Am not trying to argue that some foods may not be good for
cats depending on amount. Do know about lactose intolerance
in cats, or at least some cats. Same applies to some
people. Potatoes exposed to sunlight do go green, form
various glycoalkaloids and can be a hazard to both people
and pets.
When talking possible toxicity of anything, though, often
comes down to definitions of just what is dangerous and just
how dangerous.
For example, is cigarette smoking dangerous? Is second-hand
smoke dangerous? Most people would agree that both are, but
I wouldn't like to have to try to prove it scientifically!
[Genetic factors possibly play a large part.]
Another factor is the dose. Almost anything is toxic if get
enough of it, including water or table salt.
Thanks again for the info and the URL. Some people on the
group seem to hate backing up what they say with references.
If they don't, though, there is no way to verify what they
post.
If they don't like the way others post, then they don't have
to read the posts, do they?
Again, thanks for the post. Looking forward to more from
you, and people like you.
Regards,
"nilkids"
Jennifer
> that one year and by the end of the summer the mailbox wasn't visible.
>
> Just completely covered with a tangle of vines.
My mother has a small backyard surrounded by fencing. She planted a
small patch of morning glory three years ago. When I visited her this
summer, the morning glory had spread over all of the fencing around
the yard; the entire fence is a two-foot wide morning glory bush. It
has also taken over the garden swing and started on the lawn chairs.
Pretty, but a bit much. The birds seem to like it :)
--
Jennifer
Stella
Yes, that's why I suggested *annual* morning glory. I've seen the
perennial kind in action. Around here, it climbs up trees and over
houses. Under houses, too.
Stella
MRFeathers
>perennial kind in action. Around here, it climbs up trees and over
>houses. Under houses, too.
The ones that ate my mailbox were annuals. Still, they really are pretty if
you have a good place for them.
Mary
MRFeathers
>in some people? I've seen milk altered for lactose-intolerant people, so
>would that be as safe as CatSip or still dangerous for cats?
That's what we give our cats -- 100% lactose-reduced skim milk. The vet said
it was okay, and they like it, and they're certainly healthy.
Mary
Terry Lomax
> * If reactive, or situational, lots of possible causes,
> including PMS.
You're over 10 years too late.
Regarding the original topic, the most appropriate flowers should be:
1) Native, and
2) Require no watering, or maintaining them shouldn't result in any
additional water consumption.
The "no watering" part is especially important in ND, where there's a
severe water shortage and they're trying to steal water from other
places, even across continental divides. Ideally the pond isn't
increasing water depletion.
Also good if the flowers are beneficial for native wildlife.
Jason G
says...
>
>I rec'd much the same response to my initial post, and
>wondered about it at the time. Such unreasoning hostility
>isn't all that usual on most usenet groups.
>
>*At first, considered that Caine might have considered
>herself as _ Fraktionsvorsitzender_ of the group, whether
>others had appointed her to this position or not.
>
>*Then I considered that perhaps she had never learned basic
>consideration for others.
>
>* Then I considered that she had been told, but rejected her
>teaching for some reason. I started thinking in terms of
>some sort of personality problem. This could be reactive
>or endogenous.
>
>* If endogenous, perhaps just the way she is, and if she
>refuses to seek help perhaps we will just have to endure her
>or ignore her.
>
>* If reactive, or situational, lots of possible causes,
>and even try to empathize with her.
You forgot to consider the most likely hypothesis, made effulgently obvious in
your first day here: You're an asshat.
>Um, getting back to her original advice to you, which I
>suspect may have been offered to many others in the past.
>
>Most people would consider the action anatomically
>impossible for most of us with the anatomy equipment
>supplied at birth.
>
>However, there are cases where people are born with a mixed
>set of sexual organs, and what is impossible for us may be
>possible for them.
>
>Doubt if this is the case with Caine, but perhaps she would
>like to clarify whether she considers such copulation with
>self as anatomically impossible or not.
>
>Don't remember hearing of such a case offhand, but have
>heard of people who claimed to be capable of oral
>self-stimulation.
>
>If Caine is capable of either, she could probably make a lot
>of money in the porn market.
>
>Always something new to learn, isn't there? Perhaps Caine
>might like to clarify such issues?
Is this an attempt at humor?
Watching you try to be funny is like watching a clubfooted stroke victim dance
the Macarena.
--
Jason G
"Without value judgements, nothing has any value."
Lorz
> You forgot to consider the most likely hypothesis, made effulgently obvious in
> your first day here: You're an asshat.
You mean, "You're an asshat, DUDE."
Jason G
>
>
>> Is this an attempt at humor?
>
>either. Well, trollsense perhaps.
But is so ...fascinating isn't the word, but I don't know what is... to watch
him try to be funny. I can imagine him chuckling softly, thinking he is
crafting witty, wry repartee, when as I said, watching him try to be funny is
like watching a clubfooted stroke victim try to dance the Macarena.
The sheer tin-earedness is amazing to behold as he slowly, verbosely crushes the
life out of any potentially humorous content, heaping more and more leaden prose
on the corpse.
nil...@invalid.com.au
2004 13:19:24 -0700, Jason G wrote:
[snip]
>>
>>Always something new to learn, isn't there? Perhaps Caine
>>might like to clarify such issues?
>
>Is this an attempt at humor?
Not really.
>
>Watching you try to be funny is like watching a clubfooted stroke victim dance
>the Macarena.
I don't have much of a sense of humor, and what I do have
probably would have very little in common with yours.
However, I don't apologize for this, Jason, as am sure that
we differ in many, if not most, ways. A very pleasant
thought, actually! The day looks better already! :-)
Regards.
"nilkids"
nil...@invalid.com.au
Message-ID:<Xns956741FCCEA6...@news.individual.net>
posted on Fri, 17 Sep 2004 06:29:12 -0500, Caine wrote:
>Jason G wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
>> In article <Xns95672FD5B7A6...@news.individual.net>,
>> Caine says...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Is this an attempt at humor?
>>>
>>>I don't think it possesses a sense of humour. Or any other type of
>>>sense, either. Well, trollsense perhaps.
Am not an *it* Caine, do you consider yourself an *it*? Nor
am I a troll.
>>
[snip]
>> The sheer tin-earedness is amazing to behold as he slowly, verbosely
>> crushes the life out of any potentially humorous content, heaping more
>> and more leaden prose on the corpse.
>
>Indeed. Especially when, once I translated his supposed insult towards me
>(seen quoted in your post), it could easily have been distilled to one
>simple sentence. A rather pedestrian attempt at an insult, but at least it
>would have been readable. He/it/whatever really needs to get over the
>gender thing, it's old. ;p
>
>Caine
Not interested in trying to amuse you, Caine... Or Jason,
or anyone else on the group. I deal in *facts*, not
humor. People who want humor can find it in other groups,
after all.
Note, however, Caine, that I was kind enough to suggest
PMT rather than menopause or other possible problems,
functional or organic. :-)
Am still trying to understand you, actually. Humans with
your rather toxic personality seem rather rare. Here, at
least.
Regards,
"nilkids"
Keith Barber
news:Xns956741FCCEA6...@news.individual.net:
> Indeed. Especially when, once I translated his supposed insult towards
> me (seen quoted in your post), it could easily have been distilled to
> one simple sentence. A rather pedestrian attempt at an insult, but at
> least it would have been readable. He/it/whatever really needs to get
> over the gender thing, it's old. ;p
>
I tried reading it, but found it too much like my day at work.(I was
reading the HUD regulations for the Shelter + Care Program.)
Terry Lomax
> suspect may have been offered to many others in the past.
[snip about two dozen lines of an attempt at a humorous retort]
Nilkids, here's an example of a _good_ retort, from Ian Fleming's _Goldfinger_:
"Bond said politely, 'Then you can go and ---- yourself.'
'Even I am not capable of that, Mr. Bond,' said Goldfinger with good humour".
nil...@invalid.com.au
Message-ID:<dbf9dcfb.04091...@posting.google.com>
Yes, agree that a good retort, Terry, and have read the
books. However, I almost always answer posts "off the top
of my head" and don't usually try to be humorous or clever.
Am not really here to try to entertain others. If they
want entertainment they can seek out a humor group.
What many people consider "entertainment" my wife and I both
consider a complete waste of time, such as the recent
Olympic games.
Some think them interesting, we don't. Something to be
endured every four years, and I personally cannot
understand why anyone anywhere should be remotely
interested in them.
However, we are all different, are we not? Everyone has
their own interests. Some breed children, some want to be
in the military, some choose to become criminals and
murderers.
All free choice, and no accounting for tastes. As the old
saying goes, *It is a difference of opinion that makes
horse racing interesting * Much the same applies to
choice of political parties.
Regards,
"nilkids"
Regards,
"nilkids"
Veronique
mroo philpott-smythe
> REP wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>>May I suggest the lowly geranium and scented geranium? I thought I
>>didn't like them, but I was wrong. Brain-dead easy to grow; many
>>gorgeous colors (I have a "Rocket," a bright pink-orange that is more
>>lovely than I make it sound, and a Burgundy that is a rich, jewel-red)
>>that smells nice (the scented ones smell even better). Rosemary is
>>another aesthetically pleasing plant; small lavendar flowers on
>>dark-green needles and you can cook with your shrubbery! Also great for
>>poor, dry soil and is cold and heat tolerant.
> Thanks, I hadn't considered geraniums. I've grown nasturtiums for years,
> they are a must in salad, aren't they? Rosemary I grow, as well as
> lavendar. There are many plants I still need to dig up from the old place
> to transplant here. We're never, ever gonna get moved.
Woh! What's it like, transplanting plants from the old place? We were
lucky that we planted the fig in a container -- we didn't try to dig up
any plants in the earth.
Geraniums - I found a rose geranium that smells heavenly and is quite
attractive in its own stout, shrubby sorta way -- and then it died
because I overwatered the crap out of it. Gerania are much tougher than
you think they oughta be, with their sissified pretty flower crap and
the nice smells. But tough. Wonderfully tough.
You realize of course that Ron (Sullivan) is the **best** person to ask
any plant questions of? Just check out her columns in the San Francisco
ChronicLiar, I mean, Chronicle, for useful info.
sq, "no, she ain't paying me to tout her columns"
REP
mroo philpott-smythe <sqa...@idiom.com> wrote:
> You realize of course that Ron (Sullivan) is the **best** person to ask
> any plant questions of?
Of course I am. Just where the hell is she, though? I was thinking of
her when I was posting about scented geraniums; she has a bunch of them.
Ron, come back!
--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
Kari
> Caine wrote:
>> Thanks, I hadn't considered geraniums. I've grown nasturtiums for
>> years, they are a must in salad, aren't they? Rosemary I grow, as well
>> as lavendar. There are many plants I still need to dig up from the old
>> place to transplant here. We're never, ever gonna get moved.
>
>
>
> Woh! What's it like, transplanting plants from the old place? We were
> lucky that we planted the fig in a container -- we didn't try to dig up
> any plants in the earth.
>
> Geraniums - I found a rose geranium that smells heavenly and is quite
> attractive in its own stout, shrubby sorta way -- and then it died
> because I overwatered the crap out of it. Gerania are much tougher than
> you think they oughta be, with their sissified pretty flower crap and
> the nice smells. But tough. Wonderfully tough.
Will these geraniums also make your house smell
good if you bring them inside?
I had to do this a few times with my irises
because there were so many bulbs on the stalks
that they would just fall over. My house smelled
divine when I brought the stalks in and let the
blooms open up on their own.
Kari
Cori
> Will these geraniums also make your house smell
> good if you bring them inside?
>
> I had to do this a few times with my irises
> because there were so many bulbs on the stalks
> that they would just fall over. My house smelled
> divine when I brought the stalks in and let the
> blooms open up on their own.
>
>
> Kari
They don't like to go below 35 degrees, so I'd say that in most places
they should be brought in.
http://tinyurl.com/6srno
Good selection to be found here.
Cori
Kari
Thanks a million, Cori! I'm gonna bookmark this
site for further reference. That's good that
they're indoor flowers. It gets really hot here
in Texas and it can be rather difficult to grow
certian flowers.
Another flower that I think has a wonderful
aroma is the Easter lily.
Kari
REP
Kari <felici...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Another flower that I think has a wonderful
> aroma is the Easter lily.
...as do the Stargazer and Asian lilies. I have all three varieties.
Super easy to grow, even in pots, where they continue to multiply quite
nicely.
I usually get an Easter lily plant during the season, and can usually
get it to bloom again in the fall, and then it gets added to the Easter
lily pot.
mroo philpott-smythe
[schnippito]
>> Nicotiana
Doesn't Nicotiana have a propensity for harbouring Tobacco Mosaic
virus?? I was growing some, and ended up ripping it all out ...
I recommend Australian Bluebell (Sollya heterophylla, a pittosporum),
it's very hardy, thrives on neglect, and is especially good around
eucalyptii. My hill is infested with eucalypts (mostly ex-eucalypts now,
thanks to chainsaws), and I planted sollya. The light, bright green
lance-shaped leaves interspersed with periwinkle blue flowering bells
and winding viny reddish stems makes for a nice spot of color in the
garden.
But the real reason I like the little bastard is, low maintenance. I
water it once or twice a year. I've never pruned it, fed it, or paid any
attention to it whatsoever. It's happy, healthy, and grows like a human
population on fertdrugs. And it's awful nice to look at.
sq, "Gardening for Slackers" is the working title of my next book
mroo philpott-smythe
> Oh my. I know it's months and months and months away, but I've been trying
> to figure out what I want to plant next year. The pretty stuff. Two of the
> big pine trees out front are in a large built up brick area, so it's
> serious shaded. I'm filling that with catmint. Daisies and yarrow are
> already running riot. So are a few other things which I haven't identified.
>
> Things I want to do:
>
> Chrysanthemums, lots.
> Pasque flower
> Sweet pea
> Cannas
> Celosia
> Cleome
> Four-O'Clock
> Heliotrope
> Mignonette
> Moonflower
> Nasturtium
> Nicotiana
> Pincushion Flower
> Fountain Grass (Pennisetum spp.)
> Gaillardia
> Hare's Tail (Lagarus ovatus)
> Nigella
> Rudbeckia (wild as hell all over the place here)
>
> So, who has experience with any of these? Any other suggestions for zone 5?
All your choices sound commendably wonderful, and I'm a slackarsed
warm-climate gardener (I think we're Zone 16 or 17, by Sunset's
standards). Just wanted to say that Cyclamen is a shade-lover and
rewardingly flowery.
sq
Jason G
>I recommend Australian Bluebell (Sollya heterophylla, a pittosporum),
>it's very hardy, thrives on neglect, and is especially good around
>eucalyptii.
What kind of sun exposure does it like? I've got a hill slope with paper bark
eucalyptus on it that I've had little luck growing things on.
--
Jason G
"I'm definitely starting to develop darker fantasies about you. Most of them
involve your head on a pike." - mroo philpott-smythe
Spandau
>
>>> Nicotiana
>
>
>
> Doesn't Nicotiana have a propensity for harbouring Tobacco Mosaic
> virus?? I was growing some, and ended up ripping it all out ...
<flipping through gardening book> Yes, it can; maybe I've been lucky,
because I've grown the stuff for years, in a variety of different
gardens, and have never had a problem.
>
> I recommend Australian Bluebell (Sollya heterophylla, a pittosporum),
> it's very hardy, thrives on neglect, and is especially good around
> eucalyptii. My hill is infested with eucalypts (mostly ex-eucalypts now,
> thanks to chainsaws), and I planted sollya. The light, bright green
> lance-shaped leaves interspersed with periwinkle blue flowering bells
> and winding viny reddish stems makes for a nice spot of color in the
> garden.
That sounds like a pretty plant. I love blue flowers. Sollya sounds like
a sort of twining Canterbury bell.
I wonder if it would grow in Ohio, U.S.A.?
>
> But the real reason I like the little bastard is, low maintenance. I
> water it once or twice a year. I've never pruned it, fed it, or paid any
> attention to it whatsoever. It's happy, healthy, and grows like a human
> population on fertdrugs. And it's awful nice to look at.
>
> sq, "Gardening for Slackers" is the working title of my next book
I'll be in line to buy a copy. :-)
ob cf: And, of course, we can do all this work on our gardens without
having to worry about Bratley and friends trampling through them. We can
also grow all sorts of poisonous plants with gorgeous blue flowers
(aconite, anyone?) without worrying about some wretched sprog stuffing
them down its gullet in a Darwinistic binge.
Spandau (finished with planting until spring, but currently clearing
some badly-neglected walks)
Spandau
>>That sounds like a pretty plant. I love blue flowers. Sollya sounds like
>>a sort of twining Canterbury bell.
>>I wonder if it would grow in Ohio, U.S.A.?
>
>
> I googled for hardiness, it does well in zones 10 - 11. That makes it a no
> go for me.
>
> Caine
I'm SOL, too. (Zone 5) Oh, well.
Spandau
Spandau
>
> It got me thinking, though. Solomon Seal is very beautiful, and will easily
> do our zones (4 & 5).
>
> Caine
I've seen it growing wild in the woods here, so I'm guessing it's a
shade-lover. That means it might work very nicely around a shady patio
such as mine.
Damn, I wish it could be spring already.
Spandau, impatient
mroo philpott-smythe
> In article <415319D8...@idiom.com>, mroo philpott-smythe says...
>>I recommend Australian Bluebell (Sollya heterophylla, a pittosporum),
>>it's very hardy, thrives on neglect, and is especially good around
>>eucalyptii.
> What kind of sun exposure does it like? I've got a hill slope with paper bark
> eucalyptus on it that I've had little luck growing things on.
It doesn't much care. When the eucalypts were up, it was growing right
at their base, so it didn't get more than a couple of hours of sun a
day. Once they were cut down, it was getting full sun (it's on a
south-facing steep slope)for most of the day. It's perfectly happy and
hardy. It's even lived through (gasp!) hail, which we get one day every
two years, up here.
Another excellent low-maintenance hillside plant is echium fastuosum.
It's hardy, rapid-growing, reseeds itself but is not invasive, and is
extremely drought-tolerant. It likes steep hills with poor soil and is
not overly fussy about sun exposure. It's busy holding down most of my
hill, and I have few qualms about periodically cutting it back to the
bone. It flowers from early spring through summer (and late summer if
watered) with foot-high spikes of purplish-blue flowers that are very
attractive to bees and butterflies. I very very rarely water it - an
occasional shpritz with the hose when I'm enjoying my wine and a book in
the garden. I've never given it any maintenance whatsoever.
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> mroo philpott-smythe wrote:
>> Doesn't Nicotiana have a propensity for harbouring Tobacco Mosaic
>> virus?? I was growing some, and ended up ripping it all out ...
> <flipping through gardening book> Yes, it can; maybe I've been lucky,
> because I've grown the stuff for years, in a variety of different
> gardens, and have never had a problem.
How interesting. I was smoking and handling the plant one day and some
visitor began shrieking about how I was going to get tobacco mosaic
virus, and I thought, well, there goes another plant ... and tossed it.
>> I recommend Australian Bluebell (Sollya heterophylla, a pittosporum),
>> it's very hardy, thrives on neglect, and is especially good around
>> eucalyptii. My hill is infested with eucalypts (mostly ex-eucalypts
>> now, thanks to chainsaws), and I planted sollya. The light, bright
>> green lance-shaped leaves interspersed with periwinkle blue flowering
>> bells and winding viny reddish stems makes for a nice spot of color in
>> the garden.
> That sounds like a pretty plant.
It is, very. The flowers are small and not very conspicuous, but the
combination of colors and visual textures is very appealing.
> I love blue flowers.
Me too. Twins separated at birth?
Regrettably that character defect (;^)) led me to plant periwinkle on
the hillside. Stupid move, given that this is oak country. Periwinkle
(vinca minor) harbors sudden oak death.
> Sollya sounds like a sort of twining Canterbury bell.
It's hardier. Canterbury bells look delicate and fragile. Sollya has no
such pretensions. It's a sturdy bugger, not daunted by much. The stems
almost look like wire, and the leaves, though thin and lance-shaped, are
glossy, not fragilely furry like Canterbury bells.
> I wonder if it would grow in Ohio, U.S.A.?
Thompson-Morgan calls it:
Bluebell Vine - A delicate climber, for indoors or a sheltered position
outdoors, and hardy down to 0C (32F). The bell-shaped, 1.5cm (ΕΎ inch)
blooms are followed by edible blue fruits!
!!! I've never seen fruits on mine. Could be because the birds get them,
or because I rarely climb up to that part of the hill. But I've never
thought of it as *delicate*!!! I should write Thompson-Morgan and tell
them about the kind of neglect this plant has survived at my hands!
I suppose what they mean by "delicate" is, it doesn't like really cold
weather. It certainly doesn't seem to give a good goddamn about drought,
heat, sun, and poor soil! It's planted in Montmorillonite clay, which I
never bothered to leaven with the usual soil amendments (mainly because
the slope is ~60 degrees right there, and it's hard to amend soil while
clinging to something with one hand).
At any rate, the USDA map shows it as being limited to California so far
... perhaps you could be the first to establish it in Ohio?
[selfectomy]
>> sq, "Gardening for Slackers" is the working title of my next book
> I'll be in line to buy a copy. :-)
I'll remember that, you know. %^)
> ob cf: And, of course, we can do all this work on our gardens without
> having to worry about Bratley and friends trampling through them. We can
> also grow all sorts of poisonous plants with gorgeous blue flowers
> (aconite, anyone?) without worrying about some wretched sprog stuffing
> them down its gullet in a Darwinistic binge.
I thought about planting castor beans for the neighborhood sproglets,
but fortunately my garden's too steep and intimidating for the lazy
little fucks. Thank Deity_of_Choice.
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> Caine wrote:
>> It got me thinking, though. Solomon Seal is very beautiful, and will
>> easily do our zones (4 & 5).
I'm trying to plant only California natives (just foot-dragging on
saying goodbye to the Dietes vegeta, sollya, and echium). I'll go look
at Solomon Seal. Although if it's cold-loving, it's not going to like my
hot sunny hill.
> I've seen it growing wild in the woods here, so I'm guessing it's a
> shade-lover. That means it might work very nicely around a shady patio
> such as mine.
Well, there goes the hill project. Maybe I can put it under a redwood
with the Brunnera and the violets ...
> Damn, I wish it could be spring already.
Hmmm, you sound like me ... although this is prime gardening season in
Ca., things are starting to turn sere, and I'm thinking spring planting
thoughts.
The SD refers to my gardening catalogs as "gardener's soft-core porn".
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
[cainectomy]
>>Chrysanthemums, lots.
>>
> Poisonous to cats
>
>>Sweet pea
>>
> Poisonous to cats
>
>>Cleome
>>
> Poisonous to cats
>
>>Four-O'Clock
>>
> Poisonous to cats
Well, doesn't that just suck. I've got Four o'Clock (mirabilis jalapa,
right?) all over my garden, and feverfew (which is a chrysanthemum
family member, isn't it?) as well as a real chrysanthemum in a pot, and
I was planning to put in Cleomes in the spring.
Although, come to think of it, most of that stuff has been in my garden
for dog's years, and none of the cats have tried to eat them. They seem
to prefer grass.
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
[Kariectomy]
> We call our purries The Porch Cats. Open the door and they'll step
> outside as far as the deck, work on their tans for a few hours, then
> bawl to be let back in. One fella will go as far as Dh's car. Shir
> Khan
Shir Khan??? Highly appropriate for his species, though he sounds just
as lazy and loutish as my Bandicoot (Kari has Bandicoot's Spiritual and
Physical Twin -- I once accused her of taking my Bandicoot, but only
briefly).
> seems to feel a special affront every time I wash it, and feels
> it is his duty to go put fresh paw prints on it. A rainy day makes him
> especially inventive; he likes to slide down the windshield and admire
> the skid marks.
They're evil that way.
> [snip] They see a bird and I can
> almost sense the little thought balloon that pops over their heads:
> "hmmm, yesss. I do believe that is a burd. feathery thing. makes
> annoying cheeping sounds. I know the rule book says I must chase,
> pounce, and dismember those pesky things, but REALLY. It would just
> too much of a bother. hmmmpf. zzzzzzz."
Luckily, we're high up on a hill. The little furpigs waddle out onto the
deck (if they ever get that far - mostly they're snoring in bed all day
and chasing toys around the bedroom all night) or the bedroom veranda
for their daily sunbath. Sometimes, the younger, more active ones will
run out onto the hill to chase squirrels, but it's a pretty
unenthusiastic chase. More like a "must take my daily constitutional"
followed by a quick run back to the house for a strenuous nap.
> We also have an outside feral cat, that it took 6 months to tame.
> Star. And now we have Road Kill, but I'm still looking for a new home
> for that little monster. He's been cured of his ills, prolly doubled
> his weight, and has turned into a little hellion. Big change from the
> dirty waif I almost squished a week ago.
All kittens are hellions. Why, we even named the littlest "Gojira
Hellion Wheels".
The SD has threatened to move out temporarily if I bring home any more
kittens. "Just till they become cats," he assures me. Hmph.
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> I simply tried to share some knowledge that I had
> gotten and thought, obviously incorrectly, that others might be
> interested in.
You are not incorrect. I thought I was a pretty savvy cat-person, but I
didn't know that information, and I thank you for posting it.
Appreciatively,
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> Taken from http://cats.about.com/cs/catfood/a/humanfood.htm :
Good grief! I knew about onions, but not about garlic!! I used to feed
them garlic to get rid of the fleas!
In very tiny amounts, but still. Anyway, thank Invisible_Friend, I quit
the practice some years ago.
Thanks, Itztotl.
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> Rabbit wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>>>I was going to plant sweet peas along the back fence.
>>If it's a strong fence and you're patient, why not wisteria?
> It hadn't occurred to me? I've never grown wisteria. Anything I need to
> know?
They're very difficult to start from seed - at least I've never had any
luck. I finally gave up and bought mine in pots. One died from lack of
water (I'm not the type that likes to water, and although I *will*
eventually get that fucking system installed, it ain't happened yet). So
they're not drought-tolerant.
Mine seem to be deciduous - at least they readily drop all their leaves
at the first hint of cold weather. And they're, er, assertive, yes,
that's it. They keep trying to grow in through my office windows.
Deer find the flowers very appealing. Luckily, they grow pretty fast,
and I think they flower on new wood, so chances are they'll be out of
deer reach in good time. Spring-flowering, but if you cut them back
after flowering, they often reward you with fall flowers as well.
You have to prune them aggressively anyway, or they'll bring your fence
down. I occasionally give mine flower food - they don't need nitrogenous
fertilizer, as the Slack-Arsed Gardener throws the weeds down directly
on the soil.
That's the extent of *my* minimal knowledge. Oh, and finally, they do
take fucking forever to bloom. Mine went six years before finally
rewarding me.
sq
nil...@invalid.com.au
Sep 2004 12:35:59 -0700, mroo philpott-smythe wrote:
[snip]
>
>> ob cf: And, of course, we can do all this work on our gardens without
>> having to worry about Bratley and friends trampling through them. We can
>> also grow all sorts of poisonous plants with gorgeous blue flowers
>> (aconite, anyone?) without worrying about some wretched sprog stuffing
>> them down its gullet in a Darwinistic binge.
>
>
>I thought about planting castor beans for the neighborhood sproglets,
>but fortunately my garden's too steep and intimidating for the lazy
>little fucks. Thank Deity_of_Choice.
>
>sq
Um, I am not a lawyer, but from a legal point of view, in
the US at least, there is such a thing as criminal and civil
responsibility for deliberately leaving hazardous material
around.
Am sure that most people realize that they aren't free to
leave loaded guns or bottles of poison or razor blades
scattered around their garden.
There are a lot of poisonous garden plants, there might well
be a delicate legal difference of whether they were planted
for the usual reasons or whether they were planted with the
intent of poisoning trespassing children.
If some kid wanders into someones garden and eats something
they shouldn't, then normally it would probably be
considered an unfortunate accident. However, if a
prosecuting attorney chases out an old post by that person
where there was even a possibility of harmful intent there
could be some very embarrassing questions asked.
Same principle as any post which can be considered as a
threat to another. In most suspected or actual homicide
cases the first thing that the police look for is a possible
motive.
Imagine an online argument between "X" and "Y" where "X"
threatens "Y" with harm. A week later, "Y" is found shot to
death on the street, or killed by an unknown hit and run
driver, or whatever. If the post comes to the attention of
the police, you can bet that "X" will be asked a lot of
questions.
_verb. sap._
"nilkids"
Spandau
>
> The SD refers to my gardening catalogs as "gardener's soft-core porn".
>
> sq
>
Oh, yes... all those dewy close-ups of spread-open blooms...
Maybe those are gardener's hard-core porn.
Spandau, paging Georgia O'Keefe
mroo philpott-smythe
> In Message-ID:<4154771F...@idiom.com> posted on Fri, 24
> Sep 2004 12:35:59 -0700, mroo philpott-smythe wrote:
> [snip]
>>>ob cf: And, of course, we can do all this work on our gardens without
>>>having to worry about Bratley and friends trampling through them. We can
>>>also grow all sorts of poisonous plants with gorgeous blue flowers
>>>(aconite, anyone?) without worrying about some wretched sprog stuffing
>>>them down its gullet in a Darwinistic binge.
>>I thought about planting castor beans for the neighborhood sproglets,
>>but fortunately my garden's too steep and intimidating for the lazy
>>little fucks. Thank Deity_of_Choice.
> Um, I am not a lawyer, but from a legal point of view, in
> the US at least, there is such a thing as criminal and civil
> responsibility for deliberately leaving hazardous material
> around.
It depends on the hazardous material and the intent. For example,
antifreeze is poison to children, but I've never heard of anyone being
prosecuted for leaving it around.
> Am sure that most people realize that they aren't free to
> leave loaded guns or bottles of poison or razor blades
> scattered around their garden.
No, but again, you're perfectly free to leave poisonous weed killer and
pesticide scattered around your garden - unless you do it deliberately
with the intent of poisoning little Huntyr-Gathyryr (thanks, Mary) who
you know licks your grass on a daily basis.
> There are a lot of poisonous garden plants, there might well
> be a delicate legal difference of whether they were planted
> for the usual reasons or whether they were planted with the
> intent of poisoning trespassing children.
> If some kid wanders into someones garden and eats something
> they shouldn't, then normally it would probably be
> considered an unfortunate accident. However, if a
> prosecuting attorney chases out an old post by that person
> where there was even a possibility of harmful intent there
> could be some very embarrassing questions asked.
As I mentioned, my garden is steep and inaccessible, and the lazy little
fucks can't be bothered to climb my stairs for their fucking Halloween
treats (no, I don't keep any), so I hardly think they're likely to try
and get into my garden to eat the aconite and castor beans. Which don't
exist, at least in my garden.
sq