OT: "Artist" thinks ignorance is bliss
Veronique
living in Miami). And I can't begin to tell you how offended I am at
the concept that art and literacy are incompatible. And I'm really
thinking if I only had a tiny bit of hubris, I could have saved
Livermore thousands of dollars AND created something they could be
proud of, since I'm not only creative, but I can spell. She spelled 11
of the names wrong, the most egregious misspelling being "Eistein."
In glazed ceramic.
Ugh.
V.
From SFGate:
Misspelled library art do-over a no go says artist
RON HARRIS, Associated Press Writer
Friday, October 8, 2004
(10-08) 09:45 PDT SAN FRANCISCO (AP) --
The artist who misspelled the names of famous people in world history
on a large ceramic mosaic outside Livermore's new library can spell
one word with ease: N-O.
That's Maria Alquilar's new position on fixing the typos.
She had planned to fly to California and put the missing "n" back in
Einstein and remove the extra "a" in Michelangelo, among other fixes.
But after receiving a barrage of what she called "vile hate mail,"
Alquilar said Livermore is off her travel itinerary and there'll be no
changes by her artistic hand.
"No, I will not return to Livermore for any reason," Alquilar, of
Miami, told The Associated Press in an e-mail. "There seems to be so
much hatred within certain people. They continuously look for a
scapegoat. I guess I am the sacrificial goat."
She previously told officials in Livermore, about 40 miles east of San
Francisco, that she would fix the 11 misspellings. She asked for
$6,000 plus travel expenses to correct the work they paid her $40,000
to create. The city council, faced with the embarrassing prospect of
leaving the typo-strewn work in front of its spanking new library,
voted 3-2 to approve the expenditure.
Now it appears the fix is a no go.
Livermore Mayor Marshall Kamena and Councilwoman Lorraine Dietrich did
not return calls seeking comment on what their next move would be.
Alquilar explained that it took her a lot of time and money to create
the work, a brightly colored 16-foot-wide circle made up of individual
tiles depicting the names and images of famous people in world
history.
She noted that plenty of people from the city were on hand during the
installation who could and should have seen the errant spellings, she
said.
"Even though I was on my hands and knees laying the installation out,
I didn't see it," she said.
The mistakes wouldn't even register with a true artisan, Alquilar said
before deciding to leave the work as is.
"The people that are into humanities, and are into Blake's concept of
enlightenment, they are not looking at the words," she told The AP.
When asked whether she chose the words and names for the work or
whether the city provided her with a list, Alquilar took an artistic
stance in response.
"The art chose the words," she said.
Caine
> OMFG, I am so embarrassed that this woman is from Santa Cruz (now
> living in Miami). And I can't begin to tell you how offended I am at
> the concept that art and literacy are incompatible. And I'm really
> thinking if I only had a tiny bit of hubris, I could have saved
> Livermore thousands of dollars AND created something they could be
> proud of, since I'm not only creative, but I can spell.
You're embarrassed? Gad, as an artist, this woman is making me cringe in
embarrassment.
> "The people that are into humanities, and are into Blake's concept of
> enlightenment, they are not looking at the words," she told The AP.
Aaaaaarrgghh, the smell and sound of absolute bullshit. It's pretentious
assholes such as this that keep me from going back into galleries and such.
> When asked whether she chose the words and names for the work or
> whether the city provided her with a list, Alquilar took an artistic
> stance in response.
>
> "The art chose the words," she said.
Such pretentious assholery.
Caine
--
This world needs a stiff double shot of strychnine. -Mr. E
khan
Caine wrote:
Thank You.
I have always found a certain subset of artists to be pretentious twits.
>
> Caine
J.W.T. Meakin
veroniq...@yahoo.com says...
>
> "The people that are into humanities, and are into Blake's concept of
> enlightenment, they are not looking at the words," she told The AP.
This would be Blake the poet, the master wordsmith?
Bill.
No 33 Secretary
news:0o6em0p8rti3isrtt...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 15:34:05 -0500, Caine <alecon...@btinet.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Such pretentious assholery.
>
> I say they jackhammer the motherfucker.
I say they sue the bint for defective workmanship, and make _her_ pay for
the repairs.
>
> As a work of art, they can't modify it without permission without
> running afoul of copyright law.
Actually, yes, they can, but why should they?
> The "artiste" herself (self-righteous
> cunt) won't fix it. Suing for damages or for repair will only cost
> more in legal fees.
Given her attitude, they may well be able to recover that, as well. More
likely, within five minutes of being served, she'd be wetting her pants and
begging for the chance to settle.
> Good money after bad, I say. The alternative is
> having an installation piece by an illiterate, careless fuckwit in
> front of your new library.
They could label it as such, and leave it be. "This sculpture was created
by an illiterate idiot who refused to fix her work. Her name is . . ."
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
Lorz
> Aaaaaarrgghh, the smell and sound of absolute bullshit. It's pretentious
> assholes such as this that keep me from going back into galleries and such.
Lookie here: http://www.maria-alquilar.com/
Her phone number and e-mail address are emblazoned across the top, too.
mic...@nospamming.com
>Works for me, but a cunt as pretentious as the so-called artist would
>scream, cry, yell, and sue. And sue some more and more and more.
Suing is not cheap and it takes a long time to conclude. I suspect it
would not get her far.
Karl Grüber
> I say they get a non-pretentious sign/plaque maker, and put up a large
> plaque in front of it, inscribed along the lines of "This illustrates the
> importance of literacy and education."
*Snork* I like that idea.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if the "artiste" didn't then sue them
for defamation of character for pointing out her incompetence.
--
karlg (at) crunchyfrog (dot) net
If I want to hear the pitter-patter of little feet around the house,
I'll put shoes on the cats.
Marten Kemp
> Rob Novak wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
>
>>On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 15:34:05 -0500, Caine <alecon...@btinet.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Such pretentious assholery.
>>
>>I say they jackhammer the motherfucker.
>>
>>As a work of art, they can't modify it without permission without
>>running afoul of copyright law. The "artiste" herself (self-righteous
>>cunt) won't fix it. Suing for damages or for repair will only cost
>>more in legal fees. Good money after bad, I say. The alternative is
>>having an installation piece by an illiterate, careless fuckwit in
>>front of your new library.
>>
>>Jackhammer the motherfucker. Ship her the pieces.
>
>
> Works for me, but a cunt as pretentious as the so-called artist would
> scream, cry, yell, and sue. And sue some more and more and more.
>
> I say they get a non-pretentious sign/plaque maker, and put up a large
> plaque in front of it, inscribed along the lines of "This illustrates the
> importance of literacy and education."
>
> Caine
Oooh, good 'un. That'll do it.
--
-- Marten Kemp
(Fix name and ISP to reply)
Marten Kemp
> On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 15:34:05 -0500, Caine <alecon...@btinet.net>
> wrote:
>>Such pretentious assholery.
>
> I say they jackhammer the motherfucker.
>
> As a work of art, they can't modify it without permission without
> running afoul of copyright law. The "artiste" herself (self-righteous
> cunt) won't fix it. Suing for damages or for repair will only cost
> more in legal fees. Good money after bad, I say. The alternative is
> having an installation piece by an illiterate, careless fuckwit in
> front of your new library.
>
> Jackhammer the motherfucker. Ship her the pieces.
Um, who holds the copyright for a "work created for hire?"
Karen M
Karl Grüber <pis...@example.com.invalid> wrote:
> Caine <alecon...@btinet.net> wrote ...
>
> > I say they get a non-pretentious sign/plaque maker, and put up a large
> > plaque in front of it, inscribed along the lines of "This illustrates the
> > importance of literacy and education."
>
> *Snork* I like that idea.
>
> However, I wouldn't be surprised if the "artiste" didn't then sue them
> for defamation of character for pointing out her incompetence.
Supposedly (according to a local radio station's report) she's been
quoted as saying that it's not her fault because the City Council not
only should have caught the mistakes during installation, but had
approved the project based on sketches/drafts that included the
misspellings.
So it's not really her fault at all.
Because it never is.
And because spelling isn't important if the readers (viewers?) can
figure out what it is you intended to say.
Karen
Karl Grüber
>> "The people that are into humanities, and are into Blake's concept of
>> enlightenment, they are not looking at the words," she told The AP.
>
> This would be Blake the poet, the master wordsmith?
No, she's referring to Ramanantha Blake[1], the renowned Indian mystic
and spiritual adviser to many of the world's most successful artists.
[1] A nom de guerre of Dick Scunthorpe, an unemployed used-car salesman
from Boca Raton.
Aynthem
> Rob Novak wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
>>>Such pretentious assholery.
>>
>>Jackhammer the motherfucker. Ship her the pieces.
>
> Works for me, but a cunt as pretentious as the so-called artist would
> scream, cry, yell, and sue. And sue some more and more and more.
>
> I say they get a non-pretentious sign/plaque maker, and put up a large
> plaque in front of it, inscribed along the lines of "This illustrates the
> importance of literacy and education."
Seconded, but I propose they add a huge photo of the artist with her
name in 12 inch high letters, so everyone knows exactly who the ignorant
bint is. She can't sue for being identified as the (questionable) artist!
The news anchor reading this story last night couldn't, to her credit,
suppress a smirk and a snort when she read the quote about true art
appreciators not caring about proper spelling.
Melody, unpretentious twit
Jo Anne Slaven
>> I say they get a non-pretentious sign/plaque maker, and put up a
>> large plaque in front of it, inscribed along the lines of "This
>> illustrates the importance of literacy and education."
>
> Seconded, but I propose they add a huge photo of the artist with her
> name in 12 inch high letters,
And they should spell her name wrong.
Jo Anne
Jason G
>
>Oh, they're more than a subset. And pretentious twits doesn't come close to
>describing them, either.
"Need a horsewhipping followed by having their face beat into the curb" is my
view.
--
Jason G
"I'm definitely starting to develop darker fantasies about you. Most of them
involve your head on a pike." - mroo philpott-smythe
mroo philpott-smythe
> Caine wrote:
>> Veronique wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>>> OMFG, I am so embarrassed that this woman is from Santa Cruz (now
>>> living in Miami). And I can't begin to tell you how offended I am at
>>> the concept that art and literacy are incompatible. And I'm really
>>> thinking if I only had a tiny bit of hubris, I could have saved
>>> Livermore thousands of dollars AND created something they could be
>>> proud of, since I'm not only creative, but I can spell.
[stupidassholectomy]
>> Such pretentious assholery.
> Thank You.
> I have always found a certain subset of artists to be pretentious twits.
I don't think you have to be an "autist" (self-defined or otherwise) to
be a pretentious twit. This stupid bint definitely qualifies.
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 15:34:05 -0500, Caine <alecon...@btinet.net>
> wrote:
>>Such pretentious assholery.
> I say they jackhammer the motherfucker.
> As a work of art, they can't modify it without permission without
> running afoul of copyright law. The "artiste" herself (self-righteous
> cunt) won't fix it. Suing for damages or for repair will only cost
> more in legal fees. Good money after bad, I say. The alternative is
> having an installation piece by an illiterate, careless fuckwit in
> front of your new library.
> Jackhammer the motherfucker. Ship her the pieces.
Hold a graffiti contest. Your local brats could do a better job and it
would cost less.
sq, "free is a *lot* less"
Bobo
news:3c499a9e.0410...@posting.google.com:
> OMFG, I am so embarrassed that this woman is from Santa Cruz (now
> living in Miami). And I can't begin to tell you how offended I am at
> the concept that art and literacy are incompatible. And I'm really
> thinking if I only had a tiny bit of hubris, I could have saved
> Livermore thousands of dollars AND created something they could be
> proud of, since I'm not only creative, but I can spell. She spelled 11
> of the names wrong, the most egregious misspelling being "Eistein."
>
> In glazed ceramic.
>
> Ugh.
>
> V.
>
Ugh, you bet! Here is another story from the local rag. As a CFer, the
last paragraph had me falling on the floor. That idea would have been
total justice.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/9867130.htm?1c
(You have to register)
Muralist refuses to fix misspelled work
By Bonita Brewer
CONTRA COSTA TIMES
The artist who planned to correct spelling errors in her mosaic outside
Livermore's new library said Thursday she has been harassed so badly that
she has changed her mind.
Artist Maria Alquilar of Miami said she is deeply disturbed by the deluge
of angry phone calls and e-mails -- some threatening her safety --
following national media attention over the spelling controversy.
"I have been harassed to the nth degree. I've been threatened and
everything else," Alquilar said.
Assistant City Manager Jim Piper said he hopes to have further
discussions with Alquilar, but she said she is not apt to change her
mind.
"I'm not going to do it," she said, citing deeply derogatory remarks
about her race in e-mails from Livermore and around the country. Though
she is a Spanish Jew, Alquilar said she has even being accused of being
anti-Semitic for leaving an "n" out of Einstein in the mosaic.
"My career is over. It's totally bashed and thrashed."
While admitting to additional spelling "oversights" in such names as
Shakespeare, van Gogh, Michelangelo and Schumann, Alquilar has said
people overseeing the library project have some responsibility for not
catching errors in her $40,000 artwork before she cemented the tiles in
place.
Eleven of the mosaic's 175 words or names were verified by library staff
as being misspelled.
She also accused the city of allowing the tiles to become damaged during
storage, and for driving up her costs of installing the work because of
delays in library construction.
The Livermore City Council earlier this week agreed to pay Alquilar
$6,000 plus travel expenses to make new tiles with correct spellings.
Though clearly frustrated by having to pay to fix her spelling errors,
the council said it had little choice because state law protects
installed public art from being changed or removed without the artist's
consent.
Piper said it's unclear what the city's options are if Alquilar backs off
from the deal to make the corrections.
Alquilar said she will talk with her lawyer about getting the city to pay
her to have the mosaic removed altogether.
"Instead of people saying they really like the piece, criticism is all
I've heard," Alquilar said. "Nobody realizes the work that went into
this."
Although some argued at Monday's council meeting that the city shouldn't
interfere with artwork and that Alquilar should be given some artistic
license, others argued that a mosaic in front of a library is the last
place to allow spelling errors.
Another option considered but rejected by the council on Monday was to
install a plaque near the mosaic pointing out which words were
misspelled, perhaps turning it into a game challenging children to find
the mistakes in the mosaic.
mroo philpott-smythe
Geebus, Lorz, she's already whining about all the "evil hate mail" she's
received. (Can't imagine *why*.)
Don't nobody send the self-righteous bint any hate mail, OK?
sq, "so who the FUCK listens to ME?"
mroo philpott-smythe
No, no, no, Bill, that would be her friend Blake Braden Rainsong, the
eclectic poet/performance artist, whose exhibits comprise humans with
nails through their genitalia performing blowjobs.
sq, "Sheesh, the kinda parties *he* goes to, you'd think he'd know that
by now"
mroo philpott-smythe
> veroniq...@yahoo.com (Veronique) wrote in
> news:3c499a9e.0410...@posting.google.com:
>>OMFG, I am so embarrassed that this woman is from Santa Cruz (now
>>living in Miami). And I can't begin to tell you how offended I am at
>>the concept that art and literacy are incompatible. And I'm really
>>thinking if I only had a tiny bit of hubris, I could have saved
>>Livermore thousands of dollars AND created something they could be
>>proud of, since I'm not only creative, but I can spell. She spelled 11
>>of the names wrong, the most egregious misspelling being "Eistein."
Fuck me blind. Anyone who can't spell "Einstein" should be taken out and
shot without mercy. I mean. Is there *anybody* on this planet who
doesn't *know* who Einstein is?
> Ugh, you bet! Here is another story from the local rag. As a CFer, the
> last paragraph had me falling on the floor. That idea would have been
> total justice.
> http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/9867130.htm?1c
> (You have to register)
> Muralist refuses to fix misspelled work
> By Bonita Brewer
> CONTRA COSTA TIMES
[FuckingReliefEctomy]
> While admitting to additional spelling "oversights" in such names as
> Shakespeare, van Gogh, Michelangelo and Schumann, Alquilar has said
> people overseeing the library project have some responsibility for not
> catching errors in her $40,000 artwork before she cemented the tiles in
> place.
OK. I can understand if someone has difficulty spelling, oh, I don't
know, Liu Ling Ts'ao, or Thangareddy Swaminathan, or Gerhard
tenBruggenCate. But Michelangelo??? Michelangelo???
> Alquilar said she will talk with her lawyer about getting the city to pay
> her to have the mosaic removed altogether.
Fucking cunt! She's already made a shitload of money to put her useless
piece-of-shit misspelled "aht" there. *SHE* should pay to have it removed!
> "Instead of people saying they really like the piece, criticism is all
> I've heard," Alquilar said. "Nobody realizes the work that went into
> this."
Alquilar, hon - Michelangelo did ten times the work for a lot less
money, and guess what? He's still not getting criticism. Could it be
because you're a talentless bint?
> Although some argued at Monday's council meeting that the city shouldn't
> interfere with artwork and that Alquilar should be given some artistic
> license, others argued that a mosaic in front of a library is the last
> place to allow spelling errors.
Uh, yeah.
> Another option considered but rejected by the council on Monday was to
> install a plaque near the mosaic pointing out which words were
> misspelled, perhaps turning it into a game challenging children to find
> the mistakes in the mosaic.
Be sure to identify the "autist" in big letters, complete with email and
phone number, in case the kids decide to complain.
sq, "Think I'll take those painkillers now - this woman is a pain"
Jason G
>I don't think you have to be an "autist" (self-defined or otherwise) to
>be a pretentious twit.
No, but there is a very strong correlation.
Jason G
says...
>
>Given her attitude, they may well be able to recover that, as well. More
>likely, within five minutes of being served, she'd be wetting her pants and
>begging for the chance to settle.
Do you think a jackoff artiste like this has any money at all? She's lucky if
she has a handcrafted pot to piss in.
Jason G
> Blake Braden Rainsong, the
>eclectic poet/performance artist, whose exhibits comprise humans with
>nails through their genitalia performing blowjobs.
Please tell me you made this up.
Please.
Jason G
>"My career is over. It's totally bashed and thrashed."
Hooray!
I hear Wal-Mart is hiring.
>the council said it had little choice because state law protects
>installed public art from being changed or removed without the artist's
>consent.
What the FUCK? They can't even REMOVE it?
*steam*
That's it. Fuck public art. With this kinda bullshit, it is even more obvious
the government should not be involved with these flakey-ass ninnies.
>Piper said it's unclear what the city's options are if Alquilar backs off
>from the deal to make the corrections.
Oh, complete public humiliation through relentless media coverage comes to mind.
Too bad it isn't in SoCal, or John and Ken would hold a public shamefest.
>Alquilar said she will talk with her lawyer about getting the city to pay
>her to have the mosaic removed altogether.
How about you fix it or take it down for free, and we don't have you shot as a
public nuisance?
Veronique
> Veronique wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
> > OMFG, I am so embarrassed that this woman is from Santa Cruz (now
> > living in Miami). And I can't begin to tell you how offended I am at
> > the concept that art and literacy are incompatible. And I'm really
> > thinking if I only had a tiny bit of hubris, I could have saved
> > Livermore thousands of dollars AND created something they could be
> > proud of, since I'm not only creative, but I can spell.
>
> embarrassment.
Exactly.
You can view her portfolio at http://www.maria-alquilar.com/
She works in ceramic, metal, and Deific-metaphor.
>
> > "The people that are into humanities, and are into Blake's concept of
> > enlightenment, they are not looking at the words," she told The AP.
>
> Aaaaaarrgghh, the smell and sound of absolute bullshit. It's pretentious
> assholes such as this that keep me from going back into galleries and such.
Instead of her saying, "Oh crap, I got so worked up in the visuals I
didn't double-check the spelling," she spews this crap. No
accountability (MY personal peeve), no responsibility, and now she
can't be bothered to fix it. I do suspect some cultural arrogance, as
apparently she spelled "Quetzlcoatl" and some other more obscure (to
mainstream American) names correctly.
Update: she's VERY upset no one has said how nice her art is.
//ka-BOOM!//
>
> > When asked whether she chose the words and names for the work or
> > whether the city provided her with a list, Alquilar took an artistic
> > stance in response.
> >
> > "The art chose the words," she said.
>
> Such pretentious assholery.
That and a fat fee will get her "expertise" on YOUR public art project
or building a private collection!
V., definitely in the wrong field.
--
Jason G
>
>She's got the 40 grand she was paid for the fuckup in front of the library.
>
I'm sure that has already gone to pay her therapy bills and patchouli tab at the
head shop.
Caine
> That and a fat fee will get her "expertise" on YOUR public art project
> or building a private collection!
What does that mean? "Oh, yes, it's pretty, but you need elements you can
co-opt from another culture."?
Caine
--
This world needs a stiff double shot of strychnine. -Mr. E
J.W.T. Meakin
rob....@NOcomSPAMcast.net says...
>
> I say they jackhammer the motherfucker.
>
> As a work of art, they can't modify it without permission without
> running afoul of copyright law.
Are you sure? It was work for hire, which means copyright is with
the library.
Bill.
mroo philpott-smythe
> In article <41675982...@idiom.com>, mroo philpott-smythe says...
>>I don't think you have to be an "autist" (self-defined or otherwise) to
>>be a pretentious twit.
> No, but there is a very strong correlation.
%^D No relation of mine, I assure you.
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> In article <4167646E...@idiom.com>, mroo philpott-smythe says...
>>Blake Braden Rainsong, the
>>eclectic poet/performance artist, whose exhibits comprise humans with
>>nails through their genitalia performing blowjobs.
> Please tell me you made this up.
> Please.
Well, kinda. I really do know a "performance artiste" in SF who nails
his genitalia to boards. I just don't think he gets blowjobs out of it.
sq, "Wouldn't it be, oh, kinda painful to get a blowjob when your dick
and balls are nailed to a board? Just asking."
mroo philpott-smythe
> Veronique wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>>That and a fat fee will get her "expertise" on YOUR public art project
>>or building a private collection!
> What does that mean? "Oh, yes, it's pretty, but you need elements you can
> co-opt from another culture."?
However did you guess?
sq, "I've never been able to charge $40K for so little work"
J.W.T. Meakin
alecon...@btinet.net says...
> >>
> >> I say they jackhammer the motherfucker.
> >>
> >> As a work of art, they can't modify it without permission without
> >> running afoul of copyright law.
> >
> > Are you sure? It was work for hire, which means copyright is with
> > the library.
>
Well, as I see below, you should know.
J.W.T. Meakin
pis...@example.com.invalid says...
> J.W.T Meakin <jwnos...@sbcglobal.net> wrote ...
>
> >> "The people that are into humanities, and are into Blake's concept of
> >> enlightenment, they are not looking at the words," she told The AP.
> >
>
> and spiritual adviser to many of the world's most successful artists.
>
> [1] A nom de guerre of Dick Scunthorpe, an unemployed used-car salesman
> from Boca Raton.
Very nice try, but she's got the Library piece, slathered in
more pretentious goo, on her website:
http://www.maria-alquilar.com/3level/installations/3install3.html
Bill.
Citizen Ted
<jrgu...@yahoo.REMOVEooTHISooPART.com> wrote:
>In article <Xns957CCF5775E...@127.0.0.1>, Bobo says...
>>the council said it had little choice because state law protects
>>installed public art from being changed or removed without the artist's
>>consent.
>
>What the FUCK? They can't even REMOVE it?
>
>*steam*
Well, *they* can't remove it.
The same can't be said for a group of angry English majors who like to
sneak around at night with sledgehammers under their trenchcoats.
- TR
- just saying it, that's all.
jacqui{JB}
news:41677531...@idiom.com...
> sq, "Wouldn't it be, oh, kinda painful to get a blowjob when your
dick
> and balls are nailed to a board? Just asking."
Wouldn't that be the point?
"There is a point where pleasure and pain intersect. A doorway to a
new dimension of sensual euphoria. Where fire both burns and soothes.
Where heat engulfs every neuron within you. Once the line is crossed,
[once the bottle is opened, once it touches your lips,] there is no
going back. Pain is good." (From the back of a Batch #37 Hot Sauce
bottle ... too bad they changed the hot sauce when they changed the
bottle. It's still as good a description of SM as any other I've
read, though.)
-j
Practicing Perv (I'll let you know when I've got it perfect :))
Mary
of
>> enlightenment, they are not looking at the words," she told The AP.
>
>
>This would be Blake the poet, the master wordsmith?
Mary
mroo philpott-smythe
Er, I'll take the hot sauce, thanks. Pain is Just Not My Kink, since
I've had plenty to deal with lately. %^)
> Practicing Perv (I'll let you know when I've got it perfect :))
On the other hand, I *do* like to watch. %^)))
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
Great Googly Moogly. Oh, well, she *is* into cultural co-optation.
Although I daresay aboriginal artists do *much* better.
The emaciated hare at the top of her page is also a nice touch.
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
[OthersEctomy]
> She never *offered* to fix it. She demanded 6 grand to fix it. After that
> was approved, she declined, due to "vile hate mail". I've known too many
> "artists" of this ilk. She's angling for: 1) more money. A lot more, to
> condescend to actually fixing her fuck up. 2) Media. Media. Media. More
> Media. She needs to express her crystaltrouteaglesunflyinglightning message
> while getting across how badly she has been persecuted. 3) Media. Media.
> Media. Media. More Media. She needs to cry, bitch, moan and threaten to be
> on the verge of a breakdown over this fiasco, which of course had nothing
> to do with her*. 4) Apologies, apologies, apologies, apologies, apologies.
> More apologies, mollification and assuagement. 5) Compensation money.
> *Cards played:
I think I get it now. Something tells me this is the Voice of Experience
speaking?
> I'm crystaltrouteaglesunflyinglightning, and I'm single-handedly
> enlightening the world! I am so fucking goddamn important! The universe
> would collapse without artists like me!
> I'm a widow! My husband's spirit is the one who brought this path to me!
> I'm a minority! I am not white! I know the true path!
> I cannot believe these people were unable to see the beauty of the art. The
> art was speaking! It wasn't me!
> Not one person was nice to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
My that was deliciously cruel.
I couldn't help myself. I sent her "hate mail". Actually, it was a
rather mild criticism of her greed and incompetence, wondering why she
didn't simply refund the fee.
I expect my employers to appreciate my work, too. But if its substandard
for any reason, I fix for free or I refund the fee. I'd rather have a
reputation for good work at a fair price than for shitty work and weaseling.
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> Caine <alecon...@btinet.net> wrote in
> news:Xns957CC0631F56...@news.individual.net:
[schnippahey!]
>>AAAAAUUUUGGGHHH! She's a fucking Twinkie[TM]*. A goddamn culture
>>co-opting new ageycrystalhuggingwannabe twink! Ick, ew, ptooey.
>>*A twinkie/twink is Indian speak for new-agey wannabes, especially
>>those who run around co-opting others' cultures, and always get it
>>wrong.
> I've also heard "twinkie" used the same way as "banana" - for Asians who
> are supposedly "colored on the outside, white on the inside" (a la
> "oreo" for some blacks).
If you're brown on the outside, white on the inside, you're a coconut.
Although there is a wonderful term in Malay/Indonesian "Mat Salleh
pantat hitam," which translates loosely to "White person with a black
arse".
sq
No kids 4 you
>OMFG, I am so embarrassed that this woman is from Santa Cruz (now
>living in Miami). And I can't begin to tell you how offended I am at
>the concept that art and literacy are incompatible. And I'm really
>thinking if I only had a tiny bit of hubris, I could have saved
>Livermore thousands of dollars AND created something they could be
>proud of, since I'm not only creative, but I can spell. She spelled 11
>of the names wrong, the most egregious misspelling being "Eistein."
>
>In glazed ceramic.
Even better, they are PAYING her to fix her errors. I wish I had a job that I
could do willy nilly then get paid again to fix the stupidity.
jacqui{JB}
> Er, I'll take the hot sauce, thanks. Pain is
> Just Not My Kink, since I've had plenty
> to deal with lately. %^)
*nodding* Understandable. Sorry to report that "Pain is Good" hot
sauce is not nearly as good as it used to be. And the last bottle of
it that I brought home from San Diego appeared to have a dead spider
in it (poured some into a dish, saw something that looked distinctly
dead spiderish -- round body, curled up legs ... eww). I think I'm
done with it.
And whatever happened to Bustelo's Very Hot Pepper Sauce Aged in Oak?
> > Practicing Perv (I'll let you know when I've
> got it perfect :))
> On the other hand, I *do* like to watch. %^)))
Oh yeah, watching's good too. :)
-j
Jason G
>> http://www.maria-alquilar.com/3level/installations/3install3.html
>
>Great Googly Moogly. Oh, well, she *is* into cultural co-optation.
>Although I daresay aboriginal artists do *much* better.
I can't see all her work because she just exceeded her bandwidth (surprise!)
But from what I did see, notice that they are all at public agencies? Because
nobody else actually wants her silly multi-culti crap, and she can only sell to
people using other people's money who are the most afraid of being accused of
being non-diverse.
--
Jason G
"I'm definitely starting to develop darker fantasies about you. Most of them
involve your head on a pike." - mroo philpott-smythe
Jason G
>
>I'm crystaltrouteaglesunflyinglightning, and I'm single-handedly
>enlightening the world!
::LAFF:: Love it. Glad to see that other artists have similar opinions of such
people as us Philistines do.
No 33 Secretary
news:ck7p2...@drn.newsguy.com:
> In article <Xns957CA6B082F6ta...@216.168.3.50>, No 33
> Secretary says...
>>
>>Given her attitude, they may well be able to recover that, as well.
>>More likely, within five minutes of being served, she'd be wetting her
>>pants and begging for the chance to settle.
>
> Do you think a jackoff artiste like this has any money at all? She's
> lucky if she has a handcrafted pot to piss in.
>
Indeed. But publicity is not her friend, when it's about her being sued for
shitty workmanship and a refusal to deliver as contracted. She'd likely be
flipping burgers for a living in short order.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
sfw
> On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 15:34:05 -0500, Caine <alecon...@btinet.net>
> wrote:
> I say they jackhammer the motherfucker.
>
> As a work of art, they can't modify it without permission without
> running afoul of copyright law.
I'm betting that it's "Work made for hire," and as such, they would own
it.
Sarah
Veronique
Oh, except that she is too distraught over "mean" calls and emails to
fix it now. I think Livermore ought to put up a huge fucking sign
with her name on it asking viewers to find the misspellings. What
better instruction in the importance of literacy?
V.
--
Veronique
Hurrah! A reason to pull out the newly-purchased used edition of the OED, and find:
"Tyger, obs. f. tiger"
V.
--
Veronique
> Caine wrote:
>
>
>
> [OthersEctomy]
>
>
> > She never *offered* to fix it. She demanded 6 grand to fix it. After that
> > was approved, she declined, due to "vile hate mail". I've known too many
> > "artists" of this ilk. She's angling for: 1) more money. A lot more, to
> > condescend to actually fixing her fuck up. 2) Media. Media. Media. More
> > Media. She needs to express her crystaltrouteaglesunflyinglightning message
> > while getting across how badly she has been persecuted. 3) Media. Media.
> > Media. Media. More Media. She needs to cry, bitch, moan and threaten to be
> > on the verge of a breakdown over this fiasco, which of course had nothing
> > to do with her*. 4) Apologies, apologies, apologies, apologies, apologies.
> > More apologies, mollification and assuagement. 5) Compensation money.
>
> > *Cards played:
>
>
> I think I get it now. Something tells me this is the Voice of Experience
> speaking?
Oh, Caine definitely nailed it.
>
>
> > I'm crystaltrouteaglesunflyinglightning, and I'm single-handedly
> > enlightening the world! I am so fucking goddamn important! The universe
> > would collapse without artists like me!
>
> > I'm a widow! My husband's spirit is the one who brought this path to me!
>
> > I'm a minority! I am not white! I know the true path!
>
> > I cannot believe these people were unable to see the beauty of the art. The
> > art was speaking! It wasn't me!
>
> > Not one person was nice to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
>
>
> My that was deliciously cruel.
>
>
>
> I couldn't help myself. I sent her "hate mail". Actually, it was a
> rather mild criticism of her greed and incompetence, wondering why she
> didn't simply refund the fee.
>
> I expect my employers to appreciate my work, too. But if its substandard
> for any reason, I fix for free or I refund the fee. I'd rather have a
> reputation for good work at a fair price than for shitty work and weaseling.
Until I read this morning that she realized "Eistein" wasn't quite
right *and went ahead with it anyway*, I thought there might have been
a way out, had she been both civil and responsible.
And I'm absolutely certain, had she offered the refund her fee and fix
the errors for free, the City of Livermore would have insisted on
paying her, and probably bought her a plane ticket to fly out and
install the corrected pieces. THEY aren't the ones feeding the
controversy. All they want is a piece of public art that isn't a
public embarrassment.
I think making "find the multiple errors" is the best of all possible
shaming outcomes.
V.
--
J.W.T. Meakin
veroniq...@yahoo.com says...
>
> Oh, except that she is too distraught over "mean" calls and emails to
> fix it now. I think Livermore ought to put up a huge fucking sign
> with her name on it asking viewers to find the misspellings. What
> better instruction in the importance of literacy?
I am going to put that suggestion into the system, though
I expect it's already been raised.
I certainly hope she gets no more public commissions in
California -- not for making the errors, but for refusing
to fix them and for trying to escape the responsibility.
Bill.
nil...@invalid.com.au
Message-ID:<3c499a9e.04100...@posting.google.com>
I'm interested in other aspects of this incident. Surely
the city asked for some specifications on the proposal and
the artist would have at least mentioned some of the names
she intended to include.
If she spelled the names incorrectly on the final work, then
it seems pretty obvious that the spellings wouldn't have
been correct in her submission. So why weren't they spotted
at that stage?
As you pointed out in your original post, Veronique
Message-ID: <3c499a9e.0410...@posting.google.com>
-------
She noted that plenty of people from the city were on hand
during the installation who could and should have seen the
errant spellings, she said.
--------
Since they didn't, can we assume that they couldn't spell
either?
Presumably there would have been some official opening when
the work was finished. Didn't anyone notice at that stage?
Has anyone reported which individual was the first to notice
and point out the error? And did the city officials
believe them when they did?
>What better instruction in the importance of literacy?
Standards have been declining ever since schools stopped
correcting spelling mistakes decades ago. Possibly because
some teachers were incapable of spotting them?
Have seen letters to the editor in newspapers and magazines
from teachers with errors in spelling and grammar that would
have been corrected rather savagely when I was in grade
school. [Long, long ago and far, far away :-) ]
However, it is nice to see you taking such an interest in
accuracy and becoming somewhat pedantic, Veronique. :-)
Regards,
"nilkids"
J.W.T. Meakin
>
> Well, kinda. I really do know a "performance artiste" in SF who nails
> his genitalia to boards. I just don't think he gets blowjobs out of it.
>
> sq, "Wouldn't it be, oh, kinda painful to get a blowjob when your dick
> and balls are nailed to a board? Just asking."
Clearly another artist with a spelling problem. He would get so much
further nailing them to a bawd.
Bill.
Terry Lomax
> Misspelled library art do-over a no go says artist
> RON HARRIS, Associated Press Writer
>
> Friday, October 8, 2004
>
> She previously told officials in Livermore, about 40 miles east of San
> Francisco, that she would fix the 11 misspellings. She asked for
> $6,000 plus travel expenses to correct the work they paid her $40,000
> to create. The city council, faced with the embarrassing prospect of
> leaving the typo-strewn work in front of its spanking new library,
> voted 3-2 to approve the expenditure.
The bitch shouldn't be paid anything extra to reward her mistakes, but
$40,000 is small compared to some art / spelling disasters. The 9/11
memorial cost a lot more and has an error claiming that the towers
fell on September 11, ***2002***. It took a long time for anyone to
notice this error.
Literally millions of taxpayer dollars were wasted on several
simplistic, hideous sculptures at the Kansas City airport along the
road on the way to town. Joel Shapiro created the atrocities in KC
and made millions from them. I'll be the kid in "The Emperor's New
Clothes" and say all of Joel's "art" looks like crap and they
shouldn't have paid the bastard one red cent! The people who make
decisions approving "art" are morons!
Was the "intentially" in the subject of the other thread about the
artist who can't spell "intential" as a parody of her spelling
abilities?
eviltammy
>Instead of her saying, "Oh crap, I got so worked up in the visuals I
>didn't double-check the spelling," she spews this crap. No
>accountability (MY personal peeve), no responsibility, and now she
>can't be bothered to fix it. I do suspect some cultural arrogance, as
>apparently she spelled "Quetzlcoatl" and some other more obscure (to
>mainstream American) names correctly.
My undergrad college had somewhat of a similar thing happen:
"Dr. Herman Baer graduated from Wofford in 1857. In 1900, Dr. Baer
decided that it was time to honor founder Benjamin Wofford, and made
arrangements to place an impressive bronze plaque in the vestibule of
the chapel. He worked for hours on the wording and exact arrangement
of the inscription. On commencement day that June, the eccentric old
gentleman lovingly traced every word with his index finger. Suddenly
his hand stopped. Where he had correctly written “beneficent” was the
word “benificent.”
“Be-NYE-ficent!” he shouted. Slamming his cane so hard on the floor
that it almost broke, he stormed out the front door and down the
steps. Such was his anger that he refused to have the plaque recast,
leaving it instead to warn students about the dangers of sloppy work."
The results? If you look here:
http://www.wofford.edu/throughTheYears/content.asp?id=15
you'll see a finger rubbing the misspelling - it became part of the
campus lore and students throughout the years have kept the I shiny as
they rub it for luck before exams(or whenever). But it is just a
plaque hanging in a building, not a large piece of artwork set out in
public for all the world to see.
eviltammy
Keith Barber
@idiom.com:
>> "Instead of people saying they really like the piece, criticism is all
>> I've heard," Alquilar said. "Nobody realizes the work that went into
>> this."
>
>
> Alquilar, hon - Michelangelo did ten times the work for a lot less
> money, and guess what? He's still not getting criticism. Could it be
> because you're a talentless bint?
>
All this proves is that Jubal Harshaw was right, "A government funded
artist is an incompetant whore."
--
Keith Barber
ane...@comcast.net
I am the housing fairy
tom c
"Caine" <alecon...@btinet.net> wrote in message
news:Xns957D4BA73921...@news.individual.net...
>
> I'm crystaltrouteaglesunflyinglightning, and I'm single-handedly
> enlightening the world! I am so fucking goddamn important! The universe
> would collapse without artists like me!
>
> I'm a widow! My husband's spirit is the one who brought this path to me!
>
> I'm a minority! I am not white! I know the true path!
>
> I cannot believe these people were unable to see the beauty of the art.
> The
> art was speaking! It wasn't me!
>
> Not one person was nice to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
>
Nothing four point restraints, a Foley cath, 50 mg of Bendryl, 5 mg of
Haldol and 2 mg of Ativan can't settle right down.
State Hospital for the Artistic maybe.
Tom C
Jason G
>
>All this proves is that Jubal Harshaw was right, "A government funded
>artist is an incompetant whore."
>
Incompetent, even.
Sorry. Couldn't pass it up given the context.
nil...@invalid.com.au
Sounds pretty good, now the problem is how to get some of
the more aggressively "artistic types" on this group to
accept the treatment.
Hang on, though, did Jason say he was an "artistic type"?
...Although I don't suppose it really matters if don't
manage to get all of the submissive and overly emotional
types in the first tranche though. :-)
Regards,
"nilkids"
mroo philpott-smythe
!!!
And not metal nails either, one hopes. Unless, of course, the bawd in
question is into that sort of thing.
sq
Terry Lomax
> State Hospital for the Artistic maybe.
Hilarious! One of the best moments in the movie Rain Man is when they
visit a small medical facility in the middle of nowhere. The Tom
Cruise character tells the receptionist his brother is autistic, and
the receptionist responds, "Artistic?"
Having encountered a number of arrogant "artists" who cannot seem to
function in real life, there seems to be a lot of overlap between the
two.
Veronique
> State Hospital for the Artistic maybe.
Oh man, another tea-to-keyboard incident.
V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
KlendathuRaider
> living in Miami). And I can't begin to tell you how offended I am at
> the concept that art and literacy are incompatible. And I'm really
> thinking if I only had a tiny bit of hubris, I could have saved
> Livermore thousands of dollars AND created something they could be
> proud of, since I'm not only creative, but I can spell. She spelled 11
> of the names wrong, the most egregious misspelling being "Eistein."
>
> In glazed ceramic.
>
>
> V.
Strike to the fucking root. Government should not be pissing away
taxpayer money on art. The rest of this thread is superfluous.
Kent
>
> > *A twinkie/twink is Indian speak for new-agey wannabes, especially
> > those who run around co-opting others' cultures, and always get it
> > wrong.
>
> I've also heard "twinkie" used the same way as "banana" - for Asians who
> are supposedly "colored on the outside, white on the inside" (a la
> "oreo" for some blacks).
>
> Which leaves me wondering, has anyone out there been called "twinkie" in
> both senses...?
Well, in the gay male lexicon, it refers to the young, cute but vapid types;
sort of the buff,
Abercrombie-Fitch-or-whatever-the-very-MOST-trendy-label-is-wearing,
only-goes-to-the-most-trendy-clubs-on-the-most-trendy-nights type.
Perhaps there are some who fit all THREE definitions...
Kent
Mike
But on her Web site, she says they're along 16th Street.
A minor mistake for her.
Anthony J. Bryant
> No, no it doesn't. The copyright law covers the artist, not the property.
When I wrote books as "work for hire" the publisher owned the copyright. Why is
this different?
Tony
--
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mroo philpott-smythe
> Caine wrote:
>> No, no it doesn't. The copyright law covers the artist, not the property.
> When I wrote books as "work for hire" the publisher owned the copyright.
> Why is this different?
Publishers make you sign a contract before they'll publish anything of
yours that specifically states that the copyright is owned by *them,*
not you.
You have to be pretty rich and famous already to waive that standard
declaration.
sq
Veronique
> Caine wrote:
>
>
> > No, no it doesn't. The copyright law covers the artist, not the property.
>
> When I wrote books as "work for hire" the publisher owned the copyright. Why is
> this different?
>
>
> Tony
I think it is to protect the integrity of works of art, because public
art often draws controversy. Imagine chipping off the naughty bits of
Michelangelo's David to satisfy a public outcry about "pornography".
In the case of Maria Alquilar, it's a bit more gray, since the
misspellings are obviously a mistake rather than artistic license
(much as she would like to relabel them as such.) But the artist is
protected so that future critics can't simply demand the city chip out
"Eistein" altogether and put "Hetler" in its place, subverting the
meaning and intention of the artist.
V.
--
Katie
wrote:
>Jason G wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
>> In article <Xns957CAB57988D...@news.individual.net>,
>> Caine says...
>>>
>>>Oh, they're more than a subset. And pretentious twits doesn't come
>>>close to describing them, either.
>
>> "Need a horsewhipping followed by having their face beat into the
>> curb" is my view.
>
>That's a good start.
>
>Caine
I can see by the date on this post that I am probably beating an old,
dead horse, but <rant> I had to reply. Don't come to humboldt county!
Save yourselves. We are the home of "art is about the process not the
product." Bullshit, tell that to Monet who did dozens[1] of studies
before painting a haystack he was happy with! Recently the local free
weekly put up an article from another semi-local artist reaming local
artists for being crappy (which 90% are) and getting a reaming back by
'local artists' who believe everyone is an artist, you have just to
put brush to canvas and voila!
Part of it comes from living in the crunchy-granola, attatchment-moo,
dreadlocks on every body, no deodorant for miles around,
'trustafarians' country. But it was made even worse since DH and I had
just returned from a trip to Vegas where we saw selected works of
Monet at the Bellagio and the Guggenheim at the Venetian.
Bleh, </rant>
Katie
--
If I get a little money, I buy books; and if any
is left, I buy food and clothes. - Erasmus