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Penelope Ashe

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Jan 29, 2004, 11:00:41 AM1/29/04
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http://www.beautycheck.de/english

Click on babyfaceness and check out the online experiment.

The theory is that the more child characteristics a face has the more
attractive it is to others.

I did the online experiment. I found the face with 0% child characteristics
most attractive. That matched 10% of the respondants in the original
experiment.

I wanted to share this site and to see if CFness filters our perception of
beauty.

--
Linda Causey
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http://www.aperfectworld.org
Going on a killing spree would make me feel better but I will settle for an
ice cream cone.


Winnie

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Jan 29, 2004, 1:52:10 PM1/29/04
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"Penelope Ashe" <l...@tca.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.beautycheck.de/english
>
> Click on babyfaceness and check out the online experiment.
>
> The theory is that the more child characteristics a face has the more
> attractive it is to others.
>
> I did the online experiment. I found the face with 0% child
characteristics
> most attractive. That matched 10% of the respondants in the original
> experiment.
>
> I wanted to share this site and to see if CFness filters our perception of
> beauty.

I found that very interesting, but not from a babyfaceness point of view. I
honestly cannot tell the difference between the variants of the face on the
first screen. On the other ones, I can tell if I ignore the fact that it's a
face and scrutinise separate areas. I do have major problems with face
recognition IRL.

When I did pick the most attractive faces, it was with great difficulty but
I chose 0% babyfaceness, yeah!

(This is not an unbiased test though; respondents should be asked to choose
the most attractive faces before they know what the test is for)

Cheers
Winnie


Lorz

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Jan 29, 2004, 2:22:04 PM1/29/04
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Penelope Ashe wrote:

> http://www.beautycheck.de/english
>
> Click on babyfaceness and check out the online experiment.
>

> I wanted to share this site and to see if CFness filters our perception of
> beauty.

The CF filter must include dare devilishness for babyfaced qualities to be
considered attractive.

Veronique

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Jan 29, 2004, 5:36:36 PM1/29/04
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Lorz <lo...@pacifier.com> wrote in message news:<40195D5C...@pacifier.com>...


I've never really understood the appeal of "babyfaced" (or even
exactly what it is, quantifiable or no) but I picked faces between
0-30% "babyfaced" as attractive.

Call me a datapoint,
V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep

Mr Ian Davis

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Jan 29, 2004, 7:34:57 PM1/29/04
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"Penelope Ashe" <l...@tca.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.beautycheck.de/english
>
> Click on babyfaceness and check out the online experiment.
>
> The theory is that the more child characteristics a face has the more
> attractive it is to others.
>
> I did the online experiment. I found the face with 0% child
characteristics
> most attractive. That matched 10% of the respondants in the original
> experiment.
>
> I wanted to share this site and to see if CFness filters our perception of
> beauty.
>
> --

I've heard a theory that men tend to be attracted to women with childlike
faces - small faces with dainty little noses, big eyes etc. I find this
believable, from what I've seen of the women society regards as beautiful.
I don't think it applies nearly so much to male attractiveness, though.
Women tend to be attracted to the aspects of a male face that come with
adolescent changes - the face growing longer, heavier and more rugged. Men
with little round baby faces and button noses aren't generally viewed as sex
gods!

Janet


Geodyne

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Jan 29, 2004, 7:40:20 PM1/29/04
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On 29 Jan 2004 14:36:36 -0800, veroniq...@yahoo.com (Veronique)
wrote:

>
>I've never really understood the appeal of "babyfaced" (or even
>exactly what it is, quantifiable or no) but I picked faces between
>0-30% "babyfaced" as attractive.
>
>Call me a datapoint,
>V.

Count me as another. I chose just one face that did not come up as 20%
babyfaced, and that was 30%. And on several of the variations, I found
the baby-facedness least attractive. Give me character and life in a
face any day.

Geodyne

naomi

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Jan 29, 2004, 11:27:59 PM1/29/04
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:00:41 -0600, "Penelope Ashe" <l...@tca.net>
wrote:

>http://www.beautycheck.de/english
>
>Click on babyfaceness and check out the online experiment.
>
>The theory is that the more child characteristics a face has the more
>attractive it is to others.
>
>I did the online experiment. I found the face with 0% child characteristics
>most attractive. That matched 10% of the respondants in the original
>experiment.
>
>I wanted to share this site and to see if CFness filters our perception of
>beauty.

Well, the online experiment was biased by the fact that the faces were
placed in order of % babyface and not randomized, and by the fact that
you knew what it was testing for in the first place. I have to assume
the original study was not biased like this. But I did it anyway, and
all the "most attractive" faces I picked were 0% or 10% babyfaced. I
guess I just don't find an absence of bone structure attractive.

I also have to agree with Janet that I'm sure the results would be
different for male faces. If the "average attractive male" face is any
indication, strong features are important; these would get averaged
out with babyface characteristics added in.

Naomi

Henry

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Jan 30, 2004, 2:14:01 AM1/30/04
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Penelope Ashe <l...@tca.net> wrote:

> http://www.beautycheck.de/english
>

> I wanted to share this site and to see if CFness filters our perception of
> beauty.

Bzzzt. I'm afraid I couldn't get past the first sentence of the first
paragraph:

"If you take a look at the picture to the left, you will quite certainly
think that this is a very beautiful face."

Let's see about that.

"If you take a look at the picture to the left, ..."

OK, I'm willing to look.

"you will..."

I will, will I? No doubt about it? Do I have any choice in the matter?

"quite certainly think..."

Telling _me_ what _ I _ 'quite certainly think'??? And before I've even
looked at the picture?!?

"that this is a very..."

not just a little bit

"beautiful face."

Huh?

She's not ugly, no. There's something mildly intriguing about the eyes.
But it's the eyes, and only the eyes, that elevate this face a
half-notch above 'plain Jane'. Maybe 'bulb nose' equals 'very beautiful'
in Germany, but not for me. :-)

cheers,

Henry

Marci

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Jan 30, 2004, 9:30:33 AM1/30/04
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Mr Ian Davis wrote:

> I've heard a theory that men tend to be attracted to women with childlike
> faces - small faces with dainty little noses, big eyes etc.

Ah, that explains my lot in life...

- Marci (possessor of a honker)

www.e-marci.com

Veronique

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Jan 30, 2004, 9:39:04 AM1/30/04
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"Mr Ian Davis" <ian_...@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<REhSb.33913$Wa.3...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...

How to explain the appeal of something like Brad Pitt then? Or
Leonardo diCaprio?
*I* don't get it, but then I've heard read men like women who aren't
anorexic as well...I don't generally trust "society" because it seems
like "beautiful" is manufactured.

BookWyrm

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Jan 30, 2004, 10:11:02 AM1/30/04
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"Penelope Ashe" <l...@tca.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.beautycheck.de/english
>
> Click on babyfaceness and check out the online experiment.
>

Some of those faces look freakishly alien. hmmm. Gray aliens are said to
have big eyes... maybe they're really just exaggerated sprogs?


Cheryl Greer

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Jan 30, 2004, 10:13:26 AM1/30/04
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In article <3c499a9e.04013...@posting.google.com>,
veroniq...@yahoo.com (Veronique) wrote:

>
> How to explain the appeal of something like Brad Pitt then? Or
> Leonardo diCaprio?

Well, I wouldn't call Brad Pitt babyfaced. His bone structure is
fairly chisled. But Leo is easy to explain: his only appeal is to young
teen girls who are just getting into their sexuality. They go for those
non-threatening, male-but-not-too-masculine types, and always have.
David Cassidy, Leo, those boys from Menudo, heck, even Elvis when he
started out. Didn't all GenX girls make the progression from Luke
Skywalker to Han Solo like I did? :)


> *I* don't get it, but then I've heard read men like women who aren't
> anorexic as well...

Yes, so they say. I say, if men like non-anorexic women as much as
they claim, why aren't they out there writing letters to Playboy and
whatever, demanding to see meatier women in the mags and the porn? But
the reality seems to be that you could print photos of two helium
balloons affixed to a yardstick, and men would buy it.

Cheryl

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BookWyrm

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Jan 30, 2004, 10:29:03 AM1/30/04
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Hope I got the attributions correct in my snippage...

"Veronique" <veroniq...@yahoo.com> wrote


> "Mr Ian Davis" <ian_...@bigpond.com> wrote

...


> > I've heard a theory that men tend to be attracted to women with
childlike
> > faces - small faces with dainty little noses, big eyes etc. I find
this
> > believable, from what I've seen of the women society regards as
beautiful.
> > I don't think it applies nearly so much to male attractiveness, though.
> > Women tend to be attracted to the aspects of a male face that come with
> > adolescent changes - the face growing longer, heavier and more rugged.
Men
> > with little round baby faces and button noses aren't generally viewed as
sex
> > gods!
>
> How to explain the appeal of something like Brad Pitt then? Or
> Leonardo diCaprio?

No idea, but I don't find them nearly as attractive as Jason Isaacs (as
Lucius Malfoy & Col. Tavington) or Hugh Jackman (as Wolverine).

I heard somewhere that someone did a computer analysis that said Tom
Cruise's face was the one that came closest to a computer-averaged ideal of
beauty, but I don't remember where.


Hatter

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Jan 30, 2004, 10:29:28 AM1/30/04
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naomi <naomit...@nospam.rogers.com> wrote in message news:<42nj101afbmu72bo6...@4ax.com>...

I agree, I mean I went through quant methods, stastics, and experiment
psych at the 101 level in college, and I can tell you how flawed the
test is. I choose regularly 10 to 20% not for the qualities they were
testing for but because photoshopping any picture reduces any
blotchiness/lines their is in the skin. Call me a pig, but I've pretty
much always thought women in their mid twenties to mid thirties looked
their best and even better if they were 30 to 90 pounds overweight; I
thought so when I was 11 and probably will think so when I'm 80.

Hatter

Cheryl Greer

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Jan 30, 2004, 10:31:22 AM1/30/04
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In article <bvdsb0$6408$1...@news3.infoave.net>,
"BookWyrm" <zenNOSPAMc...@blackNOSPAMsburg.net> wrote:

>Hugh Jackman (as Wolverine).

mmmmmmmm


> I heard somewhere that someone did a computer analysis that said Tom
> Cruise's face was the one that came closest to a computer-averaged ideal of
> beauty, but I don't remember where.

The We're On Crack Research Institute newsletter?

Winnie

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Jan 30, 2004, 2:10:27 PM1/30/04
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"Cheryl Greer" <vic...@pitt.edu> wrote in message
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> Well, I wouldn't call Brad Pitt babyfaced. His bone structure is
> fairly chisled. But Leo is easy to explain: his only appeal is to young
> teen girls who are just getting into their sexuality. They go for those
> non-threatening, male-but-not-too-masculine types, and always have.
> David Cassidy, Leo, those boys from Menudo, heck, even Elvis when he
> started out. Didn't all GenX girls make the progression from Luke
> Skywalker to Han Solo like I did? :)

I went straight to Chewbacca :o)

Cheers
Winnie


Gallilea

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Jan 30, 2004, 3:30:13 PM1/30/04
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In article <vicious-4FF313...@news.fu-berlin.de>, Cheryl Greer
<vic...@pitt.edu> writes:

> Didn't all GenX girls make the progression from Luke
>Skywalker to Han Solo like I did? :)

Nope, I skipped Luke and went straight for Han. I've pretty much been in love
with Harrison Ford since I was twelve. And there's nothing at all babyfaced
about him. Yummm.

Gallilea

Gallilea

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Jan 30, 2004, 3:30:12 PM1/30/04
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In article <dUtSb.2364$ic....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, Marci
<mlma...@hotmail.com> writes:

>> I've heard a theory that men tend to be attracted to women with childlike
>> faces - small faces with dainty little noses, big eyes etc.
>
>Ah, that explains my lot in life...
>
>- Marci (possessor of a honker)

Doesn't seem to have stopped Uma Thurman...

Gallilea
(who doesn't get why Uma was cast as the pretty one in The Truth About Cats and
Dogs-- Jeannine Garofolo is way cuter)


Marci

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Jan 30, 2004, 3:37:03 PM1/30/04
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*nods emphatically*

Uma seems to have grown into her looks finally, but yeah, Janeane is
*way* cuter. (And she's teeny, too - I ended up next to her in line at
Starbucks once. I felt like an Amazon.)

- Marci

Geodyne

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Jan 30, 2004, 4:24:24 PM1/30/04
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:13:26 -0500, Cheryl Greer <vic...@pitt.edu>
wrote:

>In article <3c499a9e.04013...@posting.google.com>,
> veroniq...@yahoo.com (Veronique) wrote:
>
>>
>> How to explain the appeal of something like Brad Pitt then? Or
>> Leonardo diCaprio?
>
> Well, I wouldn't call Brad Pitt babyfaced. His bone structure is
>fairly chisled. But Leo is easy to explain: his only appeal is to young
>teen girls who are just getting into their sexuality. They go for those
>non-threatening, male-but-not-too-masculine types, and always have.
>David Cassidy, Leo, those boys from Menudo, heck, even Elvis when he
>started out. Didn't all GenX girls make the progression from Luke
>Skywalker to Han Solo like I did? :)
>
More or less. I did go from Luke Skywalker to Han Solo, but I didn't
and *still* don't find Harrison Ford attractive when he was younger.
As he matured into his face; Oh baby!

Now of course he has lost all credibility with me and I'll have to
find other obsessions. I'm hunting around for a new sexy, mature man
to dream about, if anyone cares to make a suggestion.

Geodyne

stePH

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Jan 30, 2004, 4:26:50 PM1/30/04
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Gallilea wrote:

> Gallilea
> (who doesn't get why Uma was cast as the pretty one in The Truth About Cats and
> Dogs-- Jeannine Garofolo is way cuter)

Seconded!

stePH
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"A lion will exert himself to the utmost, even when entering the tiger's
den to throw baby rabbits off a cliff!" -- Moroboshi Ataru

stePH

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BookWyrm wrote:

Or characters from an anime or manga by CLAMP.

Winnie

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"Gallilea" <galileo...@cs.comremove> wrote in message
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Uma Thurman may not be "pretty" but she is beautiful. She was stunning in
"Orlando".

Cheers
Winnie


Winnie

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"Geodyne" <geo...@idontexist.com> wrote in message
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> Now of course he has lost all credibility with me and I'll have to
> find other obsessions. I'm hunting around for a new sexy, mature man
> to dream about, if anyone cares to make a suggestion.

Oh lord, you know which can of worms you've opened up now don't you? :o)

Cheers
Winnie
Another Alan Rickman fan


Jason Steiner

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Jan 30, 2004, 4:33:58 PM1/30/04
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Cheryl Greer <vic...@pitt.edu> wrote:

> veroniq...@yahoo.com (Veronique) wrote:
> >
> > *I* don't get it, but then I've heard read men like women who aren't
> > anorexic as well...
>
> Yes, so they say. I say, if men like non-anorexic women as much as
> they claim, why aren't they out there writing letters to Playboy and
> whatever, demanding to see meatier women in the mags and the porn?

Maybe because we never bought Playboy to begin with, so what's the point?

(Ok. I did buy one. For Dita.)

> But the reality seems to be that you could print photos of two
> helium balloons affixed to a yardstick, and men would buy it.

Yet if a man stereotyped women that way, he'd get called a sexist pig.

There ain't no justice. Oh well. Back to running the world.

jason

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make a terrible fuss over you - but I don't go for it. As far as I'm concerned,
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Woof Ridge

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In article <bveiti$28q$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz>, was...@ihug.co.nz.ALL-HOPE
says...

> Uma Thurman may not be "pretty" but she is beautiful. She was stunning in
> "Orlando".
>

Uh, Uma wasnn't in Orlando (at least the 1992 movie, and IMDB doesn't
show another Orlando for Uma). Did you mean Tilda Swinton?

Woof

Tracyarts

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Jan 30, 2004, 6:10:01 PM1/30/04
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Out of the three groups of faces, I chose:

20% babyfaceness
10% babyfaceness
10% babyfaceness

as the most attractive faces.

Tracy

BookWyrm

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Jan 30, 2004, 6:48:36 PM1/30/04
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"Geodyne" <geo...@idontexist.com> wrote
[snip]

> More or less. I did go from Luke Skywalker to Han Solo, but I didn't
> and *still* don't find Harrison Ford attractive when he was younger.
> As he matured into his face; Oh baby!
>
> Now of course he has lost all credibility with me and I'll have to
> find other obsessions. I'm hunting around for a new sexy, mature man
> to dream about, if anyone cares to make a suggestion.


Alan Rickman?


Geodyne

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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:40:13 +1300, "Winnie"
<was...@ihug.co.nz.ALL-HOPE> wrote:
>"Geodyne" <geo...@idontexist.com> wrote in message
>news:ikil10568sv17cru9...@4ax.com...
>
>> Now of course he has lost all credibility with me and I'll have to
>> find other obsessions. I'm hunting around for a new sexy, mature man
>> to dream about, if anyone cares to make a suggestion.
>
>Oh lord, you know which can of worms you've opened up now don't you? :o)
>
Yes, I realised as soon as I posted it that I had forgotten the
qualifier: anything to do with HP will be disregarded with prejudice!

Geodyne
who honestly has *no* idea who Alan Rickman is, aside from the fact
that people keep talking about him in association with HP movies.

BookWyrm

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"Winnie" <was...@ihug.co.nz.ALL-HOPE> wrote in message
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Well, you could always go for Christopher Walken...


BookWyrm

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"Geodyne" <geo...@idontexist.com> wrote in message
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...all right then, go watch Die Hard and Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves.


Cori

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> Now of course he has lost all credibility with me and I'll have to
> find other obsessions. I'm hunting around for a new sexy, mature man
> to dream about, if anyone cares to make a suggestion.
>
> Geodyne
>
Seeing him next to Callista Flockhart makes my stomach turn.
Oh well, c'est la vie.

Cori

Winnie

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"Woof Ridge" <woof...@aol.com> wrote in message
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WhOOPS! Damn, I'm no good at people. They sort of fit into the same bracket
in my head, looks-wise.

Sorry Tilda :o)

Cheers
Winnie


Jason G

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In article <ikil10568sv17cru9...@4ax.com>, Geodyne says...

>
>Now of course he has lost all credibility with me and I'll have to
>find other obsessions. I'm hunting around for a new sexy, mature man
>to dream about, if anyone cares to make a suggestion.

Sorry, I'm busy. Best of luck to you though.

Geodyne

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On 30 Jan 2004 17:03:12 -0800, Jason G
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Hee! Thanks for the thought though, Jason.

Geodyne

Atalanta Pendragonne

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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 08:24:24 +1100, Geodyne <geo...@idontexist.com>
babbled about Re: Semi OT: Beauty check - Babyfaceness:

>Now of course he has lost all credibility with me and I'll have to
>find other obsessions. I'm hunting around for a new sexy, mature man
>to dream about, if anyone cares to make a suggestion.
>
>Geodyne
>

Alan Rickman does it for me. Also Malcom MacDowell.


Atalanta Pendragonne

Geodyne

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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:20:52 -0500, "BookWyrm"
<zenNOSPAMc...@blackNOSPAMsburg.net> wrote:

>> Geodyne
>> who honestly has *no* idea who Alan Rickman is, aside from the fact
>> that people keep talking about him in association with HP movies.
>
>...all right then, go watch Die Hard and Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves.
>

Hm. I'll have to look at them again, methinks, because I'm still
drawing a blank. I'll do so.

Geodyne

Gallilea

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Jan 30, 2004, 10:05:54 PM1/30/04
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In article <ikil10568sv17cru9...@4ax.com>, Geodyne
<geo...@idontexist.com> writes:

> I'm hunting around for a new sexy, mature man
>to dream about, if anyone cares to make a suggestion.
>

Let's see... off the top of my head:

Liam Neeson
Gabriel Byrne
Alan Rickman
Sean Connery (who, amazingly, has STILL got it)
Brendan Gleeson (may not be everybody's cup of tea, but I think he's yummy)

Gallilea

Gallilea

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In article <t2rl10dr724gdm724...@4ax.com>, Geodyne
<geo...@idontexist.com> writes:

>who honestly has *no* idea who Alan Rickman is, aside from the fact
>that people keep talking about him in association with HP movies.
>

I've never seen any of the Harry Potter movies. I first noticed him in Robin
Hood Prince of Thieves. He basically turned a typically underwhelming Kevin
Costner movie and turned it into a major drool-fest, even if he did play the
bad guy.

Gallilea


Geodyne

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On 31 Jan 2004 03:05:54 GMT, galileo...@cs.comremove (Gallilea)
wrote:

>
>Liam Neeson
>Gabriel Byrne
>Alan Rickman
>Sean Connery (who, amazingly, has STILL got it)
>Brendan Gleeson (may not be everybody's cup of tea, but I think he's yummy)
>
There are some good names on that list, but I've got it - Pearce
Brosnan.

I'm happy again now.

(And yeah, Connery still has it.)

Geodyne

Katie

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Jan 30, 2004, 11:52:20 PM1/30/04
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:24:14 +1100, Geodyne <geo...@idontexist.com>
wrote:

>
>Geodyne

Yup, I was going to put Sean Connery on the list too. Very sexy!!
Pierce Brosnan was a second choice of mine (but I've been watching him
since that detective show he did in the 80s, Remington Steele.
Katie

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In article <20040130220553...@mb-m13.news.cs.com>,
galileo...@cs.comremove says...

No drool for me, but he *made* that fucking film.

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Jackie Barnes

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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 08:10:27 +1300, "Winnie"
<was...@ihug.co.nz.ALL-HOPE> wrote:

>"Cheryl Greer" <vic...@pitt.edu> wrote in message
>news:vicious-4FF313...@news.fu-berlin.de...
>
>>Didn't all GenX girls make the progression from Luke


>> Skywalker to Han Solo like I did? :)
>

>I went straight to Chewbacca :o)
>
Well I preferred C3PO! ;]

=/\=

Jason Steiner

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Winnie <was...@ihug.co.nz.ALL-HOPE> wrote:

> "Gallilea" <galileo...@cs.comremove> wrote:
> >
> > (who doesn't get why Uma was cast as the pretty one in The Truth
> > About Cats and Dogs-- Jeannine Garofolo is way cuter)
>
> Uma Thurman may not be "pretty" but she is beautiful.

Jeaneane - Cute
Uma - Striking

Different, but also good. What I don't get is why it has to be
one or the other, and why most people can't appreciate both for their
respective qualities.

There probably is some truth to the idea that "average" faces are
more attractive in general, but I've noticed that many people
considered beautiful have somewhat odd features. I suspect that
it makes them more memorable.

sfw

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Geodyne wrote:
> Geodyne
> who honestly has *no* idea who Alan Rickman is, aside from the fact
> that people keep talking about him in association with HP movies.

Find a copy of the movie "Truly, Madly, Deeply," and watch it. I think
the HP movies are ok, and I think Rickman looks awful in them.

I LOVE him in "Truly, Madly, Deeply." Not to mention that it's a good film.

Sarah


Veronique

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Jan 31, 2004, 11:37:37 AM1/31/04
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Geodyne <geo...@idontexist.com> wrote in message news:<4l2m10h8ocjf5rmsb...@4ax.com>...

Dark hair, a bit greasy looking in a serpenty way. Has a bit of the
over-the-topness in his acting that makes Johnny Depp such a joy.
Definitely fun to watch although not one to invade my fantasies.

Reading this thread makes me realize I must be rather odd in that I've
never had the kind of swoon fantasies about actors that apparently a
lot of people here have. I guess if I think about it I can say which
actors I think are good-looking...but my fantasy moments involve
people I know. Which may just say something about being in long
distance relationships, I don't know.

Curious.

V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep

Rachael Munns

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Jan 31, 2004, 12:07:00 PM1/31/04
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In alt.support.childfree, Veronique wrote:

> Reading this thread makes me realize I must be rather odd in that I've
> never had the kind of swoon fantasies about actors that apparently a
> lot of people here have.

It's not just you.

--
Rachael

Morwen

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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:37:37 -0500, Veronique wrote
(in message <3c499a9e.04013...@posting.google.com>):

> Geodyne <geo...@idontexist.com> wrote in message
> news:<4l2m10h8ocjf5rmsb...@4ax.com>...
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:20:52 -0500, "BookWyrm"
>> <zenNOSPAMc...@blackNOSPAMsburg.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Geodyne
>>>> who honestly has *no* idea who Alan Rickman is, aside from the fact
>>>> that people keep talking about him in association with HP movies.
>>>
>>> ...all right then, go watch Die Hard and Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves.
>>>
>> Hm. I'll have to look at them again, methinks, because I'm still
>> drawing a blank. I'll do so.
>
> Dark hair, a bit greasy looking in a serpenty way. Has a bit of the
> over-the-topness in his acting that makes Johnny Depp such a joy.
> Definitely fun to watch although not one to invade my fantasies.

Yeah, he doesn't do much for me sexually, but I like watching him act. He has
a way of stealing just about any film.

> Reading this thread makes me realize I must be rather odd in that I've
> never had the kind of swoon fantasies about actors that apparently a
> lot of people here have. I guess if I think about it I can say which
> actors I think are good-looking...but my fantasy moments involve
> people I know. Which may just say something about being in long
> distance relationships, I don't know.

I think it's much safer to have fantasies about people you'll never meet and
most likely wouldn't have a chance with even if you did. The last thing I
want is to start feeling all swoony about someone I know. For me, that would
be a bad thing. (Also, Rickman notwithstanding, actors as a group tend to be
much better looking than the general population.)

Morwen

Atalanta Pendragonne

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Jan 31, 2004, 1:19:54 PM1/31/04
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:46:35 +1100, Geodyne <geo...@idontexist.com>

babbled about Re: Semi OT: Beauty check - Babyfaceness:

>Geodyne


>who honestly has *no* idea who Alan Rickman is, aside from the fact
>that people keep talking about him in association with HP movies.
>

He's been in quite a lot of other films. His profile on IMDB will
attest to that. He was quite good in DOGMA and SENSE & SENSIBILITY.


Atalanta Pendragonne

Lee Ann

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Jan 31, 2004, 2:46:20 PM1/31/04
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On 31 Jan 2004 03:05:54 GMT, galileo...@cs.comremove (Gallilea)
wrote:

>Let's see... off the top of my head:
>

>Sean Connery (who, amazingly, has STILL got it)

He not only STILL has it, he DIDN'T have it until he was at least 40
or so...

Lee Ann

Geodyne

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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 08:08:16 -0700, Jason Steiner
<ja...@gaydeceiver.com> wrote:

>> Uma Thurman may not be "pretty" but she is beautiful.
>
>Jeaneane - Cute
>Uma - Striking
>
>Different, but also good. What I don't get is why it has to be
>one or the other, and why most people can't appreciate both for their
>respective qualities.
>
>There probably is some truth to the idea that "average" faces are
>more attractive in general, but I've noticed that many people
>considered beautiful have somewhat odd features. I suspect that
>it makes them more memorable.
>

cf. Sophia Loren.

She was told that she would never make it in movies because her mouth
and her nose were too big. No-one could ever say that her face is not
striking, and I find it beautiful, in a way I do not find the generic
blonde Meg/Sharon/Cameron/Charlize actress conglomerate.

But then beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Geodyne

Geodyne

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Jan 31, 2004, 4:05:42 PM1/31/04
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:19:54 GMT, atal...@hotmail.com (Atalanta
Pendragonne) wrote:
>>Geodyne
>>who honestly has *no* idea who Alan Rickman is, aside from the fact
>>that people keep talking about him in association with HP movies.
>
>He's been in quite a lot of other films. His profile on IMDB will
>attest to that. He was quite good in DOGMA and SENSE & SENSIBILITY.
>
Apparently I'm not paying enough attention. Or more likely, judging by
the responses, I just haven't been watching the right films. ;-)

Geodyne

JesterKat

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Jan 31, 2004, 4:24:33 PM1/31/04
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Somewhere in the wilds of alt.support.childfree, Geodyne
<geo...@idontexist.com> wrote:

>>>who honestly has *no* idea who Alan Rickman is, aside from the fact
>>>that people keep talking about him in association with HP movies.
>>
>>He's been in quite a lot of other films. His profile on IMDB will
>>attest to that. He was quite good in DOGMA and SENSE & SENSIBILITY.
>>
>Apparently I'm not paying enough attention. Or more likely, judging by
>the responses, I just haven't been watching the right films. ;-)

I can take or leave his looks, but he has one of the most gorgeous
voices on the planet. ;-)

"The voice of God has to be English." ---Kevin Smith (paraphrase)

---JesterKat

***************
There's no religion but the endless ocean
There's no religion but the moon and stars
There's no religion but time and motion
There's no religion, just tribal scars
---Sting

BookWyrm

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"Geodyne" <geo...@idontexist.com> wrote in message
news:4l2m10h8ocjf5rmsb...@4ax.com...

Also Dogma and Galaxy Quest.


BookWyrm

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"JesterKat" <jest...@outofmymindspringbackinfiveminutes.com> wrote in
message news:qs6o105atq034t69u...@4ax.com...


> >Apparently I'm not paying enough attention. Or more likely, judging by
> >the responses, I just haven't been watching the right films. ;-)
>
> I can take or leave his looks, but he has one of the most gorgeous
> voices on the planet. ;-)
>

Oh yes. Have you heard the recording of him reading "My mistress' eyes are
nothing like the sun"? I had to stop the player after the first line so I
could breathe... I've got it around here somewhere, can email it to anyone
who wants it. 1.31 mb mp3 file. (I don't have a website or anywhere public
to store it.)


Tsorton

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Yes, please. E-mail me at tzo...@hotmail.com.

Madia


"...And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space, 'cause
there's bugger all down here on earth" -Monty Python

Tsorton

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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:24:33 GMT, JesterKat
<jest...@outofmymindspringbackinfiveminutes.com> wrote:

>Somewhere in the wilds of alt.support.childfree, Geodyne
><geo...@idontexist.com> wrote:
>
>>>>who honestly has *no* idea who Alan Rickman is, aside from the fact
>>>>that people keep talking about him in association with HP movies.
>>>

/snip/


>
>I can take or leave his looks, but he has one of the most gorgeous
>voices on the planet. ;-)
>
>"The voice of God has to be English." ---Kevin Smith (paraphrase)
>
>

Amen to that.

Madia, surrounded by temptation every day

Cori

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BookWyrm wrote:

Ooh, ooh... kling cori at yahoo dot com

Cori

JesterKat

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Somewhere in the wilds of alt.support.childfree, LW
<lakesh...@netscape.net> wrote:

>>>>>>who honestly has *no* idea who Alan Rickman is, aside from the fact
>>>>>>that people keep talking about him in association with HP movies.
>>>>>
>>/snip/
>>>
>>>I can take or leave his looks, but he has one of the most gorgeous
>>>voices on the planet. ;-)
>>>
>>>"The voice of God has to be English." ---Kevin Smith (paraphrase)
>

>Of course, the voice of God in *that* particular movie was Alanis
>Morrisette.

Yes, but Alan Rickman played the Metatron, who spoke for God. God's
own voice was too powerful to be heard by mere mortals. The one time
Alanis Morrisette did speak, Ben Affleck's head exploded.

Winnie

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"sfw" <s...@dork.com> wrote in message
news:401bd2eb$0$2672$61fe...@news.rcn.com...

> Find a copy of the movie "Truly, Madly, Deeply," and watch it. I think
> the HP movies are ok, and I think Rickman looks awful in them.

Yes, subtlety is not a strong point of those stories. The greasy hair is
just too much, for a start.

>
> I LOVE him in "Truly, Madly, Deeply." Not to mention that it's a good
film.

Agreed, but have a box of tissues handy.

There's also a wonderful "Texas" video, with AR and Sharlene Spiteri
travelling in a car and dancing at a fuel station. The tension, atmosphere,
undercurrent, whatever you call it, coming from him is superb.

Cheers
Winnie


Winnie

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"BookWyrm" <zenNOSPAMc...@blackNOSPAMsburg.net> wrote in message
news:bvi5gn$888g$1...@news3.infoave.net...

> Oh yes. Have you heard the recording of him reading "My mistress' eyes are
> nothing like the sun"? I had to stop the player after the first line so I
> could breathe... I've got it around here somewhere, can email it to anyone
> who wants it. 1.31 mb mp3 file. (I don't have a website or anywhere public
> to store it.)

Yes please, I'd love to have that. wasdale AT ihug DOT co DOT nz

Thanks!
Winnie


sassinak

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"BookWyrm" <zenNOSPAMc...@blackNOSPAMsburg.net> wrote in message
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>

I'd like to hear it as well.
j_chaney at comcast.net

Vandevere

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JesterKat <jest...@outofmymindspringbackinfiveminutes.com> wrote in message news:<djcq10pfua6leoidj...@4ax.com>...

> Somewhere in the wilds of alt.support.childfree, LW
> <lakesh...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>who honestly has *no* idea who Alan Rickman is, aside from the fact
> >>>>>>that people keep talking about him in association with HP movies.
> >>>>>
> /snip/
> >>>
> >>>I can take or leave his looks, but he has one of the most gorgeous
> >>>voices on the planet. ;-)
> >>>
> >>>"The voice of God has to be English." ---Kevin Smith (paraphrase)
> >
> >Of course, the voice of God in *that* particular movie was Alanis
> >Morrisette.
>
> Yes, but Alan Rickman played the Metatron, who spoke for God. God's
> own voice was too powerful to be heard by mere mortals. The one time
> Alanis Morrisette did speak, Ben Affleck's head exploded.
>
> ---JesterKat

I've always felt that Alan Rickman has it all. He's a *VERY*
attractive man with a most excellently working brain, and one of the
most lovely voices I've ever heard...

Vandevere

Atalanta Pendragonne

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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 17:11:56 GMT, JesterKat
<jest...@outofmymindspringbackinfiveminutes.com> babbled about Re:

Semi OT: Beauty check - Babyfaceness:

>The one time


>Alanis Morrisette did speak, Ben Affleck's head exploded.
>


And there was much rejoicing.


Atalanta Pendragonne

J.D. Spangler

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Feb 1, 2004, 8:52:44 PM2/1/04
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In article <bvi5gn$888g$1...@news3.infoave.net>,
zenNOSPAMc...@blackNOSPAMsburg.net says...
<snip>

>Oh yes. Have you heard the recording of him reading "My mistress' eyes are
>nothing like the sun"? I had to stop the player after the first line so I
>could breathe... I've got it around here somewhere, can email it to anyone
>who wants it. 1.31 mb mp3 file. (I don't have a website or anywhere public
>to store it.)

You're on dialup, right? I can host it for a week or two if you don't want
to tie up your modem all night.

BookWyrm

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"Cori" <no...@noplace.gov> wrote

> >
> >
> Ooh, ooh... kling cori at yahoo dot com
>

Is that klingcori, kling_cori, or ... what? I tried to look in the yahoo
member directory to make sure I was getting it right, but neither of those
showed up.


BookWyrm

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Followup to my own post... JD's hosting the file at
http://phrontistery.50megs.com/ayrsayle/rickman.mp3

.........

BookWyrm

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"Tsorton" <tzo...@hotmail.com> wrote

> >could breathe... I've got it around here somewhere, can email it to
anyone
> >who wants it. 1.31 mb mp3 file. (I don't have a website or anywhere
public
> >to store it.)
> >
>
> Yes, please. E-mail me at tzo...@hotmail.com.

I did, it bounced. But I posted a url.


sassinak

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"BookWyrm" <zenNOSPAMc...@blackNOSPAMsburg.net> wrote in message
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I got mine. Thanks, BookWyrm.


Jen in Austin

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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 01:52:15 -0500, BookWyrm wrote:

> Followup to my own post... JD's hosting the file at
> http://phrontistery.50megs.com/ayrsayle/rickman.mp3

Whoa.

That was.... nice. Mm.

Jen
(new newsreader... hmmm.)

Winnie

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"sassinak" <j_ch...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I got mine. Thanks, BookWyrm.

Me too, so thanks heaps. It's lovely!

Cheers
Winnie


Cori

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BookWyrm wrote:

No spacaes. I was just munging it so it doesn't get trolled.

Cori

BookWyrm

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> >>>
> >>Ooh, ooh... kling cori at yahoo dot com
> >>
> >
> >
> > Is that klingcori, kling_cori, or ... what? I tried to look in the yahoo
> > member directory to make sure I was getting it right, but neither of
those
> > showed up.
> >
> >
> No spacaes. I was just munging it so it doesn't get trolled.
>

I thought so, but it wasn't in the directory. Did you see the link to it I
posted here?


Etaoin Shrdlu

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Feb 3, 2004, 12:56:52 AM2/3/04
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In article <bvdsb0$6408$1...@news3.infoave.net>,
BookWyrm <zenNOSPAMc...@blackNOSPAMsburg.net> wrote:
>
>No idea, but I don't find them nearly as attractive as Jason Isaacs (as
>Lucius Malfoy & Col. Tavington) or Hugh Jackman (as Wolverine).

If Hugh Jackman would always leave his hair long and wear black turtlenecks
and leather pants, I might have to give up my preference for Antonio Banderas.

OTOH Antonio as Death... oh my.

Leslie


bronxelf

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Feb 3, 2004, 2:24:06 AM2/3/04
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:39:02 +1300, "Winnie"
<was...@ihug.co.nz.ALL-HOPE> wrote:

>
>"Gallilea" <galileo...@cs.comremove> wrote in message
>news:20040130153012...@mb-m11.news.cs.com...
>> In article <dUtSb.2364$ic....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, Marci
>> <mlma...@hotmail.com> writes:

>
>Uma Thurman may not be "pretty" but she is beautiful. She was stunning in
>"Orlando".
>
>Cheers
>Winnie
>
I've seen her in person. She shops in the same grocery I do, over by
school. I thought she looked very pretty, and she seemed very nice.


elf.

BookWyrm

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"Etaoin Shrdlu" <ra...@panix.com> wrote in message
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yeah, Antonio's pretty hot too... when was he Death? that sounds
interesting.


Lee Ann

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Feb 3, 2004, 7:13:23 PM2/3/04
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I take it you haven't seen the trailers for Von Helsing yet, then?
:-)

Lee Ann

Etaoin Shrdlu

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Feb 3, 2004, 10:42:49 PM2/3/04
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In article <bvolvi$aoj$1...@news3.infoave.net>,

BookWyrm <zenNOSPAMc...@blackNOSPAMsburg.net> wrote:
>
>"Etaoin Shrdlu" <ra...@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:bvnd74$dnt$1...@panix1.panix.com...
>>
>> OTOH Antonio as Death... oh my.
>>
>
>yeah, Antonio's pretty hot too... when was he Death? that sounds
>interesting.

In _Interview with the Vampire_, he played Armand, who played Death
in the vampires' dramatic production. Memory is failing me, I
think it was an opera? Anyway, he is stunning.

Leslie, still has a fatal weakness for long dark hair


.

Etaoin Shrdlu

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Feb 3, 2004, 10:44:44 PM2/3/04
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In article <e8e020t0qc0n3m2ff...@4ax.com>,
Lee Ann <a...@nospam.com> wrote:

>I take it you haven't seen the trailers for Von Helsing yet, then?
>:-)

Now I have. Yes, I may need to see that for - research, that's it,
research.

Leslie


REP

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Feb 3, 2004, 11:31:24 PM2/3/04
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In article <bvppnp$41t$1...@panix1.panix.com>,
ra...@panix.com (Etaoin Shrdlu) wrote:

> In article <bvolvi$aoj$1...@news3.infoave.net>,
> BookWyrm <zenNOSPAMc...@blackNOSPAMsburg.net> wrote:
> >
> >"Etaoin Shrdlu" <ra...@panix.com> wrote in message
> >news:bvnd74$dnt$1...@panix1.panix.com...
> >>
> >> OTOH Antonio as Death... oh my.
> >>
> >
> >yeah, Antonio's pretty hot too... when was he Death? that sounds
> >interesting.
>
> In _Interview with the Vampire_, he played Armand, who played Death
> in the vampires' dramatic production. Memory is failing me, I
> think it was an opera? Anyway, he is stunning.

My Loved One looks almost exactly like Brad Pitt did in Interview with
the Vampire, though he doesn't wear hairbows in his long hair.

--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather

BookWyrm

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"Etaoin Shrdlu" <ra...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:bvppnp$41t$1...@panix1.panix.com...

Oh, that. I thought you meant Death as the character in the movie, not the
character in a play in the movie. *sigh* Oh, the eye candy in that movie.
Funny thing... when it came out in theaters, (I was a senior in high school
I think, age 16 or 17) I was nearly phobic about the idea of vampires in
general. I didn't believe they existed or anything silly like that, but the
idea scared me. Then, for some reason, I went and saw ItwV in the theater.
And in that one scene where Lestat bites Louis and flies up in the air with
him, the fear sort of evaporated in a rush of lust. (Doubly odd since I was
kind of a homophobe then. Uh. And I turned out to be bi only a couple of
years later...) Anyway, I guess that's one way to cure a phobia.


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