En Attendant les Barbares (Long Rant)
Elisa Francesca Roselli
the rioters have not yet reached full stride on this side of town, it is
only a matter of time.
We certainly have our share of riff-raff in this neighborhood. I live in
what used to be a pleasant and gracious apartment complex around a
leafy, well-kept garden courtyard, with a bench and flower-beds in the
middle. A band of about 10 thugs, aged between 15 and 20, has taken up
residence in that yard, because it is a convenient place to do their
drug deals out of sight of the police (although the nearest prefecture
is only about 300 yards away). They like to hang out there in the early
hours of the morning, laughing, fighting, blaring their thugly music.
They are so dim-witted, they haven’t even figured out that carrying on
like this, in a reverberant amphitheater of 50 apartments full of
hard-working people whose sleep they are interrupting, is a good way to
get themselves noticed. So I call the police on them, every time they
wake me up. I consider it a civic duty. Sleep is very important to me: I
rise at 5:30 and have an hour’s trip to work by bike, requiring full use
of my faculties.
But those of us who have protested this incivility are targets, so in
essence, the thugs are winning, and the neighborhood is going to seed.
They know my name and have repeatedly threatened to pay a “visit” to my
apartment. I get harassed by phone. Whenever I cross them in the street,
at least weekly, I get insults and threats. Once as I was coming into my
garage with my bike they tried to follow me in, with shouts of “Sale
pute”, filthy whore. They like to line up in front of the entry to my
apartment block and others, so that anyone who goes in or comes out has
to deal with them. They are constantly trying to get in, ringing the
doorbells, and sooner or later some inattentive neighbor will let them
into the stair-well. They fraternize with the resident kids, who think
they are “cool” as well as a convenient source of pot. They have so
terrified an 80-year-old woman, suffering from cancer, that she will not
even testify against them to the police. She told me she has too few
years to live to be willing to shorten them further. In fact, only a few
other neighbors and myself have had the balls to take this issue up with
the local authorities. The majority are too scared. They also claim,
absurdly, that they do not wish to “Collaborate” with the forces of
order, paid for by our own taxes. The mayor of our town, a Socialist, is
of the opinion that these youths (one of whom is the lilly-white son of
the owner of a restaurant gastronomique, just around the corner), are
poor and misunderstood and in need of love and dialogue, and that
uptight bourgeois bitches like me, who benefit unjustly from a habit of
hard work and suffer from “cultural prejudice” against rap music at 4:00
am, should stop making their lives so haaard.
As you have probably been reading in your papers, two such charmers
Darwinized themselves two weeks ago, by trying to hide in a restricted
area, labelled all over with large signs saying “NO ENTRY: DANGER OF
ELECTROCUTION”. Perhaps they couldn’t read, or mistook the skull and
crossbones for the insignia of an allied gang.
Their friends then took to the streets, burning schools and creches,
torching public libraries, sacking and destroying the frail local
businesses that are their neighbors’ life work, and their own best hope
of a future. They boarded public transport systems with cans of
gasoline, dousing the passengers, in one case a handicapped woman who
couldn’t walk, and then setting them alight. Three of them ganged up on
a man who was photographing lamp-posts for an urban development project.
They smashed his skull open with clubs while his wife and daughter
looked on from a parked car. It seems they liked the guy’s camera and
thought they should have it rather than him.
Currently at the top of our government, we have one very short and two
very tall men who are all allegedly of the same party, but whose primary
goal is to make political mileage at the expense of each other. The
President is a lame duck. After 75 years of insolent chain-smoking good
health and decades of unending corruption scandals in the halls of
power, he was finally maimed by his only two acts of true and dignified
statesmanship, standing up to a religious fundamentalist cretin who was
leading the world to war on a trumped up pretext, and striving for a
European Union that could offer an alternative to a world whose only
remaining superpower was running amok. The Prime Minister is a very
handsome creature, given to lounging about in exquisitely cut suits,
polishing his silver hair for the photographers. Only the Minister of
the Interior, a feisty midget with an ethnic name, shows any sign of
commitment, passion, and ideological coherence.
So Nicolas Sarkozy went right in there, fierce as the Queen’s corgis. He
called things by their proper names: and if these Neanderthals are not
riff-raff, racaille, what meaning could this word possibly have? And he
tried to reassure the peaceful, the creative, the constructive, that he
would stand up for them. He has always made the point, and is far too
rarely credited for it, that the ethnic and religious minorities who
inhabit the banlieue are the FIRST victims of this senseless violence,
and it is precisely because they ARE French that they must benefit from
the most fundamental function of the State, to protect their lives and
property.
Now the whole of the government, not only the two tall ones but all of
the Opposition, are at war - not with the thugs - but with Sarkozy. It
is a great opportunity to look good by pandering and inaction, while
he’s the only one to stick out his neck and make a clear statement,
sending in the despised, enfeebled police where, in reality, the army is
needed. Oh, this is racism, this is repression, this is the Police State.
I lived in the USA, the UK, Italy and Switzerland before coming to
France, and I can honestly say that of all the societies I have
inhabited, this is the one that goes farthest to equalize opportunities
and offers the greatest possibility of integration to its minorities. It
starts with such obvious things as free health care for all and free,
quality education for anyone who can benefit from it, to whatever level
they can achieve. Indeed, if there is a totalitarian tendency, it is in
the direction of equalization. It undermines individual responsibility,
saps entrepreneurial drive, despises the work ethic and trains people to
wait passively for everything to come from the government.
The statistic of unemployment as high as 30% in the rioting communities
has been advanced. It seems that people who refuse education, speak
French badly, hang around in gangs all night, force women to wear veils,
keep their eyes lowered and stay at home on threat of turnstile rape,
should be attractive to employers. It seems that people who take
responsibility for their actions, excel at their studies, have
initiative and ideas, bust their guts to get their businesses off the
ground, attempt to improve the grace and liveability of their
communities, are traitors and sell-outs whose life work deserves to be
torched.
(I am far more shocked by another statistic: across the whole of French
society, among people aged 55 to 64, less than 37% ARE EMPLOYED. Why?
Because we are routinely fired as we reach our fifties to “make room”
for the younger, cheaper and more malleable. Maturity, experience, a
clean employment track record are no compensation for the terror
employers feel at the prospect of being left with the bill for our
retirement.)
What we are seeing here is the breakdown of a certain “Angelist”,
politically correct, generally Socialist idea of what a state should be.
Unfortunately, we are learning that there are limits to integration,
that religious fundamentalism is incompatible with the secular
Democratic ideal inherited from the Enlightenment (at least in France,
the fundies are the mob behind the barricades; in the US, they are your
government), that you can bend too far over backwards to help those who
will not help themselves, and that you cannot get away from labor as the
source of value.
So I’m going to say it once and for all: Hurrah Sarko! I admire and
uphold the Minister of the Interior, and to hell with the rest of them.
If I had a French vote, I would vote for him . Which means that I am now
officially on the Right, at least in France. All my current
acquaintanceship here will disown me for this. I dare not speak to
anyone because the topic of the riots will inevitably come out.
(NB: Sarkozy’s great role model in world politics is Tony Blair, minus
the Iraq idiocy, and in the US spectrum he would be a tad to the Left of
Hilary Clinton. He upholds reproductive rights and advanced “sexual
equality” as one of the defining principles of the European civilization
he had hoped to see enshrined in the Constitution. His quip on the
admission of Turkey to the Union, on the other hand, was “If Turkey were
part of Europe, people would know”. I’m afraid, once again, I concur.)
So there you have it.
EFR
Embattled in Ile de France
Merk
<nos...@free.fr> wrote:
>As my fellow list-members know, I live in a suburb of Paris. Although
>the rioters have not yet reached full stride on this side of town, it is
>only a matter of time.
Thanks for sending us the vivid and disturbing glimpse into the
situation.
I will join you in a hearty cry of "Ą bas les barbares - Vive Sarko!"
(And while I'm at it, "Remember Theo van Gogh," dead a year last
week.)
Keep safe- you have all our best wishes.
Merk
--
Stop grieving, it's only a chicken.
Terry Lomax
Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote:
> Their friends then took to the streets, burning schools and creches,
> torching public libraries, sacking and destroying the frail local
> businesses that are their neighbors' life work, and their own best hope
> of a future. They boarded public transport systems with cans of
> gasoline, dousing the passengers, in one case a handicapped woman who
> couldn't walk, and then setting them alight. Three of them ganged up on
> a man who was photographing lamp-posts for an urban development project.
> They smashed his skull open with clubs while his wife and daughter
> looked on from a parked car. It seems they liked the guy's camera and
> thought they should have it rather than him.
I believe the above as much as I believed this propaganda which was
splattered on the front page of the breederific Jew York Times and
other news outlets all around the world:
July 11, 2004
France: mother, baby assaulted by Muslims on train
Muslim anti-Semitism continues unabated in France, as six North African
men attack a mother and her baby. From the Courier-Mail, with thanks to
LGF:
A YOUNG woman and her baby have been attacked in a suburban train near
Paris by unidentified men who drew swastikas on the mother's stomach.
Police today said it was an anti-Semitic assault.
The six attackers who were armed with knives clipped the 23-year-old
woman's hair, and cut her tee-shirt and trousers before drawing three
swastikas on her body.
The men of North African origin also overturned the pram holding her
baby, aged 13 months.
They then took the mother's backpack, which contained her identity
papers, a bank card and cash.
Police said the attackers erroneously assumed the woman was Jewish
because she was living in Paris' posh 16th district.
"Only Jews live in the 16th district," one of the men told her.
Dominique de Villepin was quick with condemnations. But what is he
going to do about it? When will he face the fact that this sort of
hatred is being taught in French mosques?
[end lying article by hateful Jew press in France]
Of course all the above claims by the Jewsmedia in France are a
complete HOAX! This proves that claims of attacks by Muslims on
non-Muslims are false. All Muslims and all nonwhites should be allowed
free hits on non-Muslim, non-Hispanic whites.
The original news articles still exist, but the followup articles
exposing the incident as a hoax have been removed by the Jewsmedia.
Here's another quote:
...reports that the woman and her baby had been violently attacked on a
Paris suburban train had sent shock waves through the political
establishment and the country's Jewish community.
Reports of the incident - and particularly the woman's claim that
it had occurred in full view of at least 20 witnesses who did nothing
- drew swift condemnation, with President Jacques Chirac expressing
his "horror."
"I demand that everything should be done to find the perpetrators of
this shameful act in order that they should be tried and sentenced with
the severity required," Chirac said in a statement.
"Anti-Semitism is shameful ... but there is also a sickness in our
society," said Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin. "It's
indifference to violence."
[end more proof the media and French government LIE about alleged
attacks]
http://judicial-inc.biz/Hate_Hoax_summary.htm
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=2032
http://margaretsoltan.phenominet.com/2004/07/couple-of-updates-i-bastille-day-hate.html
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=25879
The Frogs are wolf-criers. I posted about the above hoax in ascf, and
was viciously attacked by the following racist old hags: Lorz, REP,
Madia, Mroo Philpott-Smythe. The filthy old Jewish hags made death
threats and other attacks because I revealed the truth about the hoax.
I had posted it in ascf because of the claims by the lying moo that the
attackers knocked over her baby stroller with the baby inside.
This particular French whore had a long history of making false police
reports. The stupid Frog police had listened to dozens of fake reports
by her. After the first report was shown to be fake, the Frog police
should have ignored her for life, but instead, the stupid French
pussies continued to believe the lying cunt.
Too bad the French rioters don't kill ALL the wolf-crying scum. Too
bad the Germans in WWII didn't exterminate ALL the Frogs; this world
would be better off without such scum as the above bitch who I call
"The French Susan Smith".
I hate the French for many a reason, for example they clearcut all of
Haiti, and they sided with the Confederates in the American Civil War,
and they started the mess in Vietnam, and they tried to colonize much
of Africa, and they held slaves in the USA and oppressed Indians, and
they nuked aborigines in Australia, and hundreds of thousands of
America were needlessly killed in WWI and WWII to bail them out.
Don't try do deny white French are racist. Oprah's experience revealed
French racism to a wide audience. And the electrocutions were caused
by oppressive police, not by idiocy of the youths.
Most of the rest of the world hates the French and thinks the French
deserve the riots. Racists say they deserve the riots for letting in
"immigrants", and non-racists say the French deserve the riots because
the French are racist.
As to "gender equality", are French women drafted and put into combat?
No? I see, there ISN'T gender equality in France! The French vote is
controlled by old women because the vast majority of MEN were killed
off in WWI and WWII defending against the Germans while the whore
French women offered themselves to invading Kraut soldiers.
Your leader creates hatred by saying "ALL" of them are "scum". The
more damage done by rioters that isn't self-destructive, the better.
Back in May, some Frog on ascf whined about Cinco de Mayo celebrations
in the USA, whining that she wants to see big Bastille Day celebrations
in the USA. Filthy Frog bitch! There's already too much French
ethnocentric crap in the USA with "Mardi Gras". If you want to
celebrate Bastille Day, take your Frog arse back to France!
Burn, baby, burn!
Terry Lomax
Merk wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:21:52 +0100, Elisa Francesca Roselli
> <nos...@free.fr> wrote:
>
> >As my fellow list-members know, I live in a suburb of Paris. Although
> >the rioters have not yet reached full stride on this side of town, it is
> >only a matter of time.
>
> Thanks for sending us the vivid and disturbing glimpse into the
> situation.
>
>
> (And while I'm at it, "Remember Theo van Gogh," dead a year last
> week.)
>
> Keep safe- you have all our best wishes.
Speak for yourself. I wouldn't miss her if she perishes.
Ascf is the champion newsgroup for credulity. No newsgroup had more
people believe the lies about widespread crime in the Superdome. No
newsgroup has more idiots who believe the police and government. Of
course the biggest believers are the liberals, for example Moronique
who cheered the shooting of "looters" (she posts from Yahoo; Yahoo was
caught calling all Black non-looters "looters" while saying white
actual looters weren't looters).
jermec
"Elisa Francesca Roselli" <nos...@free.fr> wrote in message
news:436f9b40$0$4714$636a...@news.free.fr...
This is the first real account of the madness around Paris that I have come
across. I don't really have anything much to say - to be honest, I can't
think of anything that isn't desperately trite. But I have been watching
with interest and mounting alarm. It surely can't be long before British
idiots decide to join in. I saw this afternoon that the first fatality had
occurred. Cynics around me commented that they were surprised it had taken
this long.
EFR, I wish you luck. With politicians to help you, you'll need all the luck
you can get.
--
jermec
'It's not the despair, I can cope with the despair. It's the hope I can't
stand.'
Jason Steiner
> As my fellow list-members know, I live in a suburb of Paris. Although
> the rioters have not yet reached full stride on this side of town, it is
> only a matter of time.
[snip]
Bed. Made. Lie.
jason
--
"Listen, my boy, I can't abide children. I know it's the style nowadays to
make a terrible fuss over you - but I don't go for it. As far as I'm concerned,
they're no good for anything but screaming, torturing people, breaking things,
smearing books with jam and tearing the pages." - The Neverending Story
Ilene Bilenky
Merk <bfpa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks for sending us the vivid and disturbing glimpse into the
> situation.
Yes.
Tonight's news mentioned that the French government is proposing more
scholarships for these poor kids (aka "thugs").
Somehow I don't think that's gonna help.
Ilene b
FrenchCori
> As my fellow list-members know, I live in a suburb of Paris. Although
> the rioters have not yet reached full stride on this side of town, it is
> only a matter of time.
I send you vibes to be safe, and for a quick resolution to the
situation. I have numerous Aunts, Uncles, Cousins who also live
in Paris, and have been very worried for them.
Cori
Renee
Yeah. Peraonally, I've been wondering why the
"shoot to kill" order hasn't yet been given.
Yeah, I'm so cruel, inhumane, bla bla bla. But I
figure society won't be all that much poorer if
some of these folks don't make it past their next
car-torching.
Renee
--
Remove the BIG SMALPH to email me,
or go to smalph com.
dalia
Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote:
> As my fellow list-members know, I live in a suburb of Paris. Although
> the rioters have not yet reached full stride on this side of town, it is
> only a matter of time.
>
>
> Embattled in Ile de France
Thank you so much for your insider's take on the situation. I'm
sending you vibes to keep you safe from the thugs just because you
complaining about them.
Be safe.
-dalia
Rich the Newsgroup Wacko
> As my fellow list-members know, I live in a suburb of Paris. Although
> the rioters have not yet reached full stride on this side of town, it is
> only a matter of time.
>
> We certainly have our share of riff-raff in this neighborhood. I live in
> what used to be a pleasant and gracious apartment complex around a
> leafy, well-kept garden courtyard, with a bench and flower-beds in the
> middle. A band of about 10 thugs, aged between 15 and 20, has taken up
> residence in that yard, because it is a convenient place to do their
> drug deals out of sight of the police (although the nearest prefecture
> is only about 300 yards away). They like to hang out there in the early
> hours of the morning, laughing, fighting, blaring their thugly music.
So, frag them.
--
Cheers!
Rich
------
"Beneath this stone a virgin lies,
For her life held no terrors.
A virgin born, a virgin died:
No hits, no runs, no errors."
Veronique
> As my fellow list-members know, I live in a suburb of Paris. Although
> the rioters have not yet reached full stride on this side of town, it is
> only a matter of time.
Fingers crossed, and thanks for the word from the frontlines.
V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
FrenchCori
>
>>I send you vibes to be safe, and for a quick resolution to the
>>situation. I have numerous Aunts, Uncles, Cousins who also live
>>in Paris, and have been very worried for them.
>
>
> bullshit ends very soon!
Thanks. I just found out that my father was there for two weeks!
(Did not know he had gone.) They're all safe and well, and my memere
is staying a week where my Aunt lives in Nogent. The uncles are also
well, and according to my father my aunt's neighborhood is nice and
quiet.
Boy, he sure picked a good time to go, didn't he?
Cori
kennet...@gmail.com
heart against the swarthy interlopers who disrupt her pleasant and
gracious lifestyle, she might do well to take a more penetrating look
at the social and historical context of the unpleasant situation in
which she, and France, find themselves.
Doug Ireland's article "Why Is France Burning?" appears in the 28
November 2005 issue of The Nation.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051128/ireland
Here is an excerpt:
The tsunami of vandalism, arson and riot by young people of color that
began in the suburban ghettos of Paris [...] should have surprised no
one, for it is the result of thirty years of government neglect [...]
and of the deep-seated, searing, soul-destroying racism that the
unemployed and profoundly alienated young of the ghettos face every day
of their lives, both from the police and when trying to find a job.
The ghettos where festering resentment has now burst into flames were
created as a matter of industrial policy by the French state [...] to
recruit from France's colonies laborers and factory and menial workers.
These immigrant workers, primarily from North Africa, were desperately
needed to allow the French economy to expand [...] Moreover, these
immigrant workers were favored by industrial employers as passive and
unlikely to join unions and strike.
This government-and-industry-sponsored influx of Arab workers was
reinforced following Algerian independence by the arrival of the
Harkis, native Algerians who fought for and worked with France during
the anticolonial struggle for independence--and were horribly treated
by France. Some 100,000 Harkis were killed [...] after the French
shamelessly abandoned them to a lethal fate [...] those Harki families
who were saved [...] were parked in filthy, crowded concentration camps
in France for many long years [...] a nice reward for their sacrifices
for France, of which they were, after all, legally citizens. Their
ghettoized children and grandchildren, naturally, harbor certain
resentments.
France's other immigrant workers were warehoused in huge high-rise,
low-income ghettos [...] deliberately placed out of sight in the
suburbs [...] Now forty and fifty years old, these high-rise human
warehouses are run-down, dilapidated, sinister places [...]
[T]he current rebellion is the anguished scream of a lost generation in
search of an identity. When US cities burned in the 1960s, King said,
"A riot is at bottom the language of the unheard." In France it's the
language of adolescents, kids caught between two cultures and belonging
to neither; of kids who, born in France and often speaking little
Arabic, don't know the country where their parents were born but feel
excluded, marginalized and invisible in the country where they live
[...]
"The rebellion is spreading spontaneously [...] It's driven especially
by incredibly racist police conduct that is the daily lot of these
children. They're arrested or controlled by the police, shaken down,
pushed around and have their papers checked simply because they have
dark skin [...] The police bark, 'Lower your eyes! Lower your eyes!' as
if they had no right even to look a policeman in the face. It's utterly
dehumanizing. No wonder these kids feel so divorced from authority."
Gregory Morrow
Merk wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:21:52 +0100, Elisa Francesca Roselli
> <nos...@free.fr> wrote:
>
> >As my fellow list-members know, I live in a suburb of Paris. Although
> >the rioters have not yet reached full stride on this side of town, it is
> >only a matter of time.
>
> Thanks for sending us the vivid and disturbing glimpse into the
> situation.
>
> I will join you in a hearty cry of "À bas les barbares - Vive Sarko!"
>
> (And while I'm at it, "Remember Theo van Gogh," dead a year last
> week.)
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/20/magazine/20wwln_q4.html
November 20, 2005
Questions for Jean Baudrillard
Continental Drift
Interview by DEBORAH SOLOMON
Q: As one of France's most celebrated philosophers, can you give us any
insight into the civil discontent that is pitting a generation of young
people against the rest of the country?
- It will get worse and worse and worse. For a long time, it was a
relatively friendly coexistence or cohabitation, but the French haven't
done
much to integrate the Muslims, and there is a split now. Our organic
sense
of identity as a country has been split.
Perhaps that was inevitable. Many of us here were surprised last year
when
the French government banned hijabs, head scarves, and other religious
emblems from public schools.
- Yes, in America there is more of a history of immigration. America is
constituted by ethnic communities, and though they may compete with one
another, America is still America. Even if there were no Americans
living in
the United States, there would still be America. France is just a
country;
America is a concept.
Are you saying that America represents the ideal of democracy?
- No, the simulation of power.
At 76, you are still pushing your famous theory about "simulation" and
the
"simulacrum," which maintains that media images have become more
convincing
and real than reality.
- All of our values are simulated. What is freedom? We have a choice
between
buying one car or buying another car? It's a simulation of freedom.
So you don't think that the U.S. invaded Iraq to spread freedom?
- What we want is to put the rest of the world on the same level of
masquerade and parody that we are on, to put the rest of the world into
simulation, so all the world becomes total artifice and then we are
all-powerful. It's a game.
When you say "we," who are you talking about? In your new book, "The
Conspiracy of Art," you are pretty hard on this country.
- France is a byproduct of American culture. We are all in this; we are
globalized. When Jacques Chirac says, "No!" to Bush about the Iraq war,
it's
a delusion. It's to insist on the French as an exception, but there is
no
French exception.
Hardly. France chose not to send soldiers to Iraq, which has real
meaning
for countless individual soldiers, for their families and for the
state.
- Ah, yes. We are "against" the war because it is not our war. But in
Algeria, it was the same. America didn't send soldiers when we fought
the
Algerian war. France and America are on the same side. There is only
one
side.
Isn't that kind of simplistic reasoning why people get so tired of
French
intellectuals?
- There are no more French intellectuals. What you call French
intellectuals
have been destroyed by the media. They talk on television, they talk to
the
press and they are no longer talking among themselves.
Do you think there are intellectuals in America?
- For us, there was Susan Sontag and Noam Chomsky. But that is French
chauvinism. We count ourselves. We don't pay attention to what comes
from
outside. We accept only what we invented.
Were you a friend of Susan Sontag?
- We saw each other from time to time, but the last time, it was
terrible.
She came to a conference in Toronto and blasted me for having denied
that
reality exists.
Do you read the work of any American writers?
- I read many, many American novelists. Updike, Philip Roth, Truman
Capote.
I prefer American fiction to French fiction.
Perhaps French literature fell prey to French theory?
- Unfortunately, French literature starved itself. It didn't need
French
theory to die. It died by itself.
Some here feel that the study of the humanities at our universities has
been
damaged by the incursion of deconstruction and other French theories.
- That was the gift of the French. They gave Americans a language they
did
not need. It was like the Statue of Liberty. Nobody needs French
theory."
</>
Gillian White
news:qcpdo1l9u76qj5mol...@4ax.com...
> Pie-ing politicians had its heyday over here in, IIRC, the 1970s -- the
> Yippies/Abbie Hoffman.
Somebody pied a politician here a couple of years ago, and ended up with
assault charges laid against him.
That might discourage a lot of people.
Gillian