Ken pangborn claims the NYC DA's office allows CPS case workers to investigate sex crimes against children.
Dan Sullivan
This is an exchange between myself and ken pangborn regarding the NYC
DA's office being involved in an investigation of the sexual abuse of
a child.
ken is first...
===================
>> They have really strange procedures. Indeed the DA does have detectives -
>> however - from what I know
>> of them - the DA doesn't send them out on first calls by social workers.
>
> The DA allows CPS CWs to investigate sex crimes?
Yep or the NYPD. That's what they are paid for.
>> Unless it is a MAJOR CASE. Such as a homicide. Usually they come out
>> farther
>> down the road and not the initial calls as Danny has stated it.
>
> Oh, no?
Typically not Danny.
> They have a poorly trained case worker do the initial investigation of
> a sex crime and some time "down the road" a specially trained
> detective steps in and gathers the evidence from the CW?
A sad reality Danny. That's why the system is such a MESS.
> And when it goes to trial the CW testifies that he/she did all the
> preliminary interviews of the children, parents and alleged
> perpetrator and gathered the evidence... and that farther "down the
> road" the detectives stepped in.
Typical - and many bad cases are lost as a result. How do you think
Joel
Steinberg got away with his shit for so long? Remember him Danny?
>> The DA's detectives aren't that plentiful or blessed with lots of time to
>> screw
>> around with bullshit cases.
>
> A sex crime committed against a child is a bullshit case?
Not if it is REAL Danny - but too many cases are NOT!
>> Not unless we were talking the mayor's granddaughter or something.
>
> What's a "something?"
Governor's cousin, the relative of a NYPD officer - a burrough
president's kid etc.
> And when was the mayor's granddaughter last molested?
Than the case is radioactive.
> You mean all those detectives just sit around waiting for the mayor's
> granddaughter to get molested and in the meantime they just keep
> eating donuts?
No Danny - those detectives have many major crimes to work. Murders,
burglaries, drug trafficking. Cases the DA is already prosecuting.
>> It would have to be VERY HIGH up the food chain.
>
> The mayor's granddaughter or higher?
Something like that Danny.
krp
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> ken is first...
Actually Danny you snip off all the context prior to this snippet.
> ===================
>>> They have really strange procedures. Indeed the DA does have
>>> detectives - however - from what I know
>>> of them - the DA doesn't send them out on first calls by social workers.
>
>> The DA allows CPS CWs to investigate sex crimes?
> Yep or the NYPD. That's what they are paid for.
(Lots of material edited out by Sullivan)
>> Oh, no?
> Typically not Danny.
>> What's a "something?"
> Then the case is radioactive.
>> You mean all those detectives just sit around waiting for the mayor's
>> granddaughter to get molested and in the meantime they just keep
>> eating donuts?
> No Danny - those detectives have many major crimes to work. Murders,
> burglaries, drug trafficking. Cases the DA is already prosecuting.
>
>>> It would have to be VERY HIGH up the food chain.
>>
>> The mayor's granddaughter or higher?
>
> Something like that Danny.
Sullivan believes that the SECOND a child abuse case is reported, that
ONLY the District Attorney investigates it and sends out its CRACK
detectives who are sitting around their station house eating jelly donuts
waiting for the next child abuse case to come in. THEY - according to
Sullivan do 100% of the investigations and CPS doesn't exist! The NYPD
doesn't investigate ANYTHING all of it is done by the DA's office. <giggle>
Yeah right Danny!
Depending on the genesis of the case, generally it starts with the NYPD
and CPS. When the case looks like prosecution is warranted, THEN it goes to
the DA and the DA's office makes the call. I know you are a drooling moron
who believes the DA's office in NYC has thousands of detective and an
UNLIMITED budget, but I don't believe that is true Danny. I think it is just
one more of your mental embolisms.
Dan Sullivan
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote more insane bullshit in
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I never said that.
> THEY - according to
> Sullivan do 100% of the investigations and CPS doesn't exist!
I never said that.
> The NYPD
> doesn't investigate ANYTHING all of it is done by the DA's office. <giggle>
You're wrong, as usual, piggy.
> Yeah right Danny!
TY for agreeing with me.
> Depending on the genesis of the case, generally it starts with the NYPD
> and CPS.
Starts with the NYPD???
That's not what you said before...
=================
> They have a poorly trained case worker do the initial investigation of
> a sex crime and some time "down the road" a specially trained
> detective steps in and gathers the evidence from the CW?
A sad reality Danny. That's why the system is such a MESS.
> And when it goes to trial the CW testifies that he/she did all the
> preliminary interviews of the children, parents and alleged
> perpetrator and gathered the evidence... and that farther "down the
> road" the detectives stepped in.
Typical - and many bad cases are lost as a result.
======================
Please explain the discrepancies in your answers, piggy.
Greegor
Why was the DA so interested in your CPS case, Dan?
krp
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> I never said that.
Oh? Then what's the debate here? Are you getting confused again Danny/
Too much crack today?
>> THEY - according to Sullivan do 100% of the investigations and CPS
>> doesn't exist!
> I never said that.
Of course not you just say that 100% is handled by detectives for the
District Attorney!!!!!
>> The NYPDdoesn't investigate ANYTHING all of it is done by the DA's
>> office. <giggle>
> You're wrong, as usual, piggy.
You are the asshole making the claim Danny, not me.
>> Yeah right Danny!
> TY for agreeing with me.
You are DELUSIONAL.
>> Depending on the genesis of the case, generally it starts with the
>> NYPD
>> and CPS.
> Starts with the NYPD???
And CPS. Who has the HOTLINE Danny? The DA???? How do child abuse
reports come in? Do hospitals report to the DA's office?? Or does CPS say
WAIT - we have to get the detectives from the DA's office out to
investigate..
> That's not what you said before...
I said CPS and the NYPD would come first IF the case will go to
prosecution and it is NECESSARY the DA may have one of their detectives look
for some stuff.
> =================
>> They have a poorly trained case worker do the initial investigation of
>> a sex crime and some time "down the road" a specially trained
>> detective steps in and gathers the evidence from the CW?
> A sad reality Danny. That's why the system is such a MESS.
>
>> And when it goes to trial the CW testifies that he/she did all the
>> preliminary interviews of the children, parents and alleged
>> perpetrator and gathered the evidence... and that farther "down the
>> road" the detectives stepped in.
> Typical - and many bad cases are lost as a result.
> ======================
>
> Please explain the discrepancies in your answers, piggy.
No discrepancies Danny unless folks are as STUPID as you.
Dan Sullivan
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote
>
> >> > DA's office being involved in an investigation of the sexual abuse of
> >> > a child.
>
>
> >> Actually Danny you snip off all the context prior to this snippet.
>
> >> > ===================
> >> >>> They have really strange procedures. Indeed the DA does have
> >> >>> detectives - however - from what I know
> >> >>> of them - the DA doesn't send them out on first calls by social
> >> >>> workers.
>
> >> >> The DA allows CPS CWs to investigate sex crimes?
> >> >
> >> > Yep or the NYPD. That's what they are paid for.
>
=====================
> >> Sullivan believes that the SECOND a child abuse case is reported,
> >> that
> >> ONLY the District Attorney investigates it and sends out its CRACK
> >> detectives who are sitting around their station house eating jelly donuts
> >> waiting for the next child abuse case to come in.
>
> > I never said that.
>
> Oh? Then what's the debate here? Are you getting confused again Danny/
> Too much crack today?
In the first exchange you were very specific in acknowledging "They
have a poorly trained case worker do the initial investigation of a
sex crime and some time "down the road" a specially trained detective
steps in and gathers the evidence from the CW?" by responding with "A
sad reality Danny. That's why the system is such a MESS."
And in the first exchange to the question "And when it goes to trial
the CW testifies that he/she did all the preliminary interviews of the
children, parents and alleged perpetrator and gathered the evidence...
and that farther "down the road" the detectives stepped in." you
responded with "Typical - and many bad cases are lost as a result."
While in the second exchange you claim "Depending on the genesis of
the case, generally it starts with the NYPD and CPS."
How can the detectives in the first exchange not be involved until
after the CPS CW interviews everyone involved and gathers the evidence
and in the second exchange you claim the case starts with the
police?
> >> THEY - according to Sullivan do 100% of the investigations and CPS
> >> doesn't exist!
>
> > I never said that.
>
> Of course not you just say that 100% is handled by detectives for the
> District Attorney!!!!!
I never said that.
> >> The NYPD doesn't investigate ANYTHING all of it is done by the DA's
> >> office. <giggle>
>
> > You're wrong, as usual, piggy.
>
> You are the asshole making the claim Danny, not me.
Read what you wrote.
It's right there.
> >> Yeah right Danny!
>
> > TY for agreeing with me.
>
> You are DELUSIONAL.
>
> >> Depending on the genesis of the case, generally it starts with the
> >> NYPD
> >> and CPS.
>
> > Starts with the NYPD???
>
> And CPS. Who has the HOTLINE Danny? The DA????
I'm sure calls are made to the DA's office and the police.
And if the police get a call regarding the sexual abuse of a child
they notify the specially trained detectives immediately.
> How do child abuse reports come in?
By phone.
> Do hospitals report to the DA's office??
If there's evidence of a crime are you claiming the hospital personnel
call CPS rather than 911?
> Or does CPS say WAIT - we have to get the detectives
> from the DA's office out to investigate..
In my case the detectives from the DA's office and CPS interviewed my
daughter together about the alleged sexual abuse.
> > That's not what you said before...
>
> I said CPS and the NYPD would come first IF the case will go to
> prosecution and it is NECESSARY the DA may have one of their detectives look
> for some stuff.
How would CPS and the police know IF a case is going to be prosecuted
until after they started the investigation?
And policemen aren't trained to investigate reports of sexual abuse of
children OR interview the alleged child victims.
That's why there are specially trained detectives.
But YOU claim those specially trained detectives come in "down the
road!!!"
> > Please explain the discrepancies in your answers, piggy.
>
> No discrepancies Danny
That's what you'd like people to believe.
But the evidence is plain as day.
"Starts with" and "down the road" are polar opposites.
Please explain, piggy, why you think those quotes from you aren't a
disagreement in terms.
Kent Wills
Please post the MID and/or Google link to any post where Dan has
made such a claim.
If you prefer, you may admit you're lying.
>
> Depending on the genesis of the case, generally it starts with the NYPD
>and CPS. When the case looks like prosecution is warranted, THEN it goes to
>the DA and the DA's office makes the call. I know you are a drooling moron
>who believes the DA's office in NYC
There is no DA's office in NYC. Each borrow has its own DA's
office. Really.
>has thousands of detective and an
>UNLIMITED budget, but I don't believe that is true Danny.
I don't believe he believes that either.
>I think it is just
>one more of your mental embolisms.
>
You're the one who has stated he believes it, but you don't
believe he believes it.
"And you RULE OUT that it could be MOORE my biggest
fan and GAY lover."
Kenneth Robert Pangborn, of KRP Consulting and The A-Team, LYING
and claiming David Moore is his gay lover. Message-ID:
<_MlOj.598$pH4.7@trnddc06>
krp
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Regardless of how poorly trained CPS workers ARE, they HAVE the job! I
don't much give a shbit whether the GREAT Dan SUllivan likes it or not. That
is a FACT of life. LIVE WITH IT. I didn't make the rules.
> And in the first exchange to the question "And when it goes to trial
> the CW testifies that he/she did all the preliminary interviews of the
> children, parents and alleged perpetrator and gathered the evidence...
> and that farther "down the road" the detectives stepped in." you
> responded with "Typical - and many bad cases are lost as a result."
Look DIPSHIT - YOU said that. Somtimes the CW is called, sometimes NOT
in a criminal case.
> While in the second exchange you claim "Depending on the genesis of
> the case, generally it starts with the NYPD and CPS."
WHO MANS THE FUKKKKKKKKKKING HOTLINE Danny boy? Come on evenn the GREAT
ATTORNEY DANNY SULLIVAN isn't THAT stupid.
> How can the detectives in the first exchange not be involved until
> after the CPS CW interviews everyone involved and gathers the evidence
> and in the second exchange you claim the case starts with the
> police?
Now DANNY I know how hard it is for a moron like you to follow. Much
depends on how the case comes in. Hotline is one way.Usually then first
contact is with a case worker and factors depending the CW MAY or may not
have a uniformed officer or NYPD detective along. Another avenue is via a
hotpital report, and that too is generally to CPS. I KNOWs thatr the GREAT
GREAT GREAT GREAT Dan Sullivan (expert among experts) wants 200 DA
detectives to rugh out in their little Yugo cop cars to the scene, but that
is not generally how it works no matter HOW MUCH you want it that way
because "THAT"S THE WAY IT HAPPEND TO" you!!!!
>> >> THEY - according to Sullivan do 100% of the investigations and CPS
>> >> doesn't exist!
>> > I never said that.
>> Of course not you just say that 100% is handled by detectives for the
>> District Attorney!!!!!
> I never said that.
Sure you are.
Dan Sullivan
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote
>
>
>
> >> >> > This is an exchange between myself and ken pangborn regarding the
> >> >> > NYC
> >> >> > DA's office being involved in an investigation of the sexual abuse
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > a child.
>
> >> >> > ken is first...
>
>
It's CPS' job in NY to investigate sex crimes against children?
> I
> don't much give a shbit whether the GREAT Dan SUllivan likes it or not. That
> is a FACT of life. LIVE WITH IT. I didn't make the rules.
It's a RULE that CPS investigates sex crimes against children?
Maybe greg or LK can post that actual rule... with a link of course.
I know you, piggy, won't prove your own claim.
> > And in the first exchange to the question "And when it goes to trial
> > the CW testifies that he/she did all the preliminary interviews of the
> > children, parents and alleged perpetrator and gathered the evidence...
> > and that farther "down the road" the detectives stepped in." you
> > responded with "Typical - and many bad cases are lost as a result."
>
> Look DIPSHIT - YOU said that.
I was simply summarizing what you claimed... and you agreed with it!!!
So don't blame me when YOU agree with your own claims.
> Somtimes the CW is called, sometimes NOT
> in a criminal case.
But you said the CPS CW is there from the start.
> > While in the second exchange you claim "Depending on the genesis of
> > the case, generally it starts with the NYPD and CPS."
>
> WHO MANS THE FUKKKKKKKKKKING HOTLINE Danny boy? Come on evenn the GREAT
> ATTORNEY DANNY SULLIVAN isn't THAT stupid.
I'm sure some percentage of calls go to the CPS hotline, but I'm also
sure a substantial number of calls go to the DA's office and the
police.
> > How can the detectives in the first exchange not be involved until
> > after the CPS CW interviews everyone involved and gathers the evidence
> > and in the second exchange you claim the case starts with the
> > police?
>
> Now DANNY I know how hard it is for a moron like you to follow. Much
> depends on how the case comes in. Hotline is one way.Usually then first
> contact is with a case worker and factors depending the CW MAY or may not
> have a uniformed officer or NYPD detective along.
A report of a sexual crime against a child made to CPS and the CW "may
not" have an officer or detective along???
Is that what you really believe or are you just speculating?
> Another avenue is via a
> hotpital report, and that too is generally to CPS.
NYC doctors "generally" report sex crimes against children to the CPS
hotline?
>< I KNOWs thatr the GREAT
> GREAT GREAT GREAT Dan Sullivan (expert among experts) wants 200 DA
> detectives to rugh out in their little Yugo cop cars to the scene, but that
> is not generally how it works no matter HOW MUCH you want it that way
> because "THAT"S THE WAY IT HAPPEND TO" you!!!!
Also to other people I'm familiar with in NY.
Someone else I'm helping right now in NY learned of the alleged crime
of sexual abuse of his daughter when the detectives handcuffed him
> >> >> THEY - according to Sullivan do 100% of the investigations and CPS
> >> >> doesn't exist!
> >> > I never said that.
> >> Of course not you just say that 100% is handled by detectives for the
> >> District Attorney!!!!!
> > I never said that.
>
> Sure you are.
Oh, I am???
BTW here's what you deleted from my message.
===========
> > >> Depending on the genesis of the case, generally it starts with the
> > >> NYPD
> > >> and CPS.
>
krp
Initially, yes as I understand it. AGAIN dipshit - it depends on how a
referral comes in. WHO HAS THE HOTLINE? When the crew at a hospital suspects
abuse, are they mandated to call the DA's office?
>> I don't much give a shit whether the GREAT Dan Sullivan likes it or not.
>> That
>> is a FACT of life. LIVE WITH IT. I didn't make the rules.
> It's a RULE that CPS investigates sex crimes against children?
Yes in Captain Kangaroo's green book of rules Danny. RULES? Is thjis
kindergarten Sullivan?
> Maybe greg or LK can post that actual rule... with a link of course.
LINKS GODDD DAMMMM LINKS DANNY WANTS LINKS!!!!!
http://vnboards.ign.com/darktide/b5152/107149594/p1/?4
http://sanantonio.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2002/04/08/editorial1.html
http://www.tvparty.com/keeshan.html
http://www.time.com/time/columnist/poniewozik/article/0,9565,582737,00.html
There's your LINKS Danny ENJOY!! I gave you your Godddd DAMMM links!
NOW you ahve LINKS! Happy?
> I know you, piggy, won't prove your own claim.
What claim is that? I am not the NUT who is claiming that ALL chniuld
abuse claims come directly to the District Attoprney's office and they send
out their own FLYING SQUADS of detective to investigate them.
>> > And in the first exchange to the question "And when it goes to trial
>> > the CW testifies that he/she did all the preliminary interviews of the
>> > children, parents and alleged perpetrator and gathered the evidence...
>> > and that farther "down the road" the detectives stepped in." you
>> > responded with "Typical - and many bad cases are lost as a result."
>
>> Look DIPSHIT - YOU said that.
> I was simply summarizing what you claimed... and you agreed with it!!!
BUT asshole - you DISHONESTLY put it in quotes. In other words you were
LYING AGAIN Sullivan!
> So don't blame me when YOU agree with your own claims.
Sullivan do you realize that you are insane?
>> Somtimes the CW is called, sometimes NOT in a criminal case.
> But you said the CPS CW is there from the start.
Usually - yes Danny. WHO HAS THE FUKKKKKKKKING hot line???? THE DA like
YOU drunkenly claim?
>> > While in the second exchange you claim "Depending on the genesis of
>> > the case, generally it starts with the NYPD and CPS."
>> WHO MANS THE FUKKKKKKKKKKING HOTLINE Danny boy? Come on even the
>> GREAT
>> ATTORNEY DANNY SULLIVAN isn't THAT stupid.
> I'm sure some percentage of calls go to the CPS hotline, but I'm also
> sure a substantial number of calls go to the DA's office and the
> police.
AND POLICE????? Hedging a LITTLE Danny? I said CPS and police. I don't
know of ANY that go DIRECTL:Y to the DA to handle. I might speculate that on
some occisions it COULD happen,. But by and large they go to CPS and the
NYPD.
>> > How can the detectives in the first exchange not be involved until
>> > after the CPS CW interviews everyone involved and gathers the evidence
>> > and in the second exchange you claim the case starts with the
>> > police?
>
>> Now DANNY I know how hard it is for a moron like you to follow. Much
>> depends on how the case comes in. Hotline is one way.Usually then first
>> contact is with a case worker and factors depending the CW MAY or may not
>> have a uniformed officer or NYPD detective along.
> A report of a sexual crime against a child made to CPS and the CW "may
> not" have an officer or detective along???
> Is that what you really believe or are you just speculating?
Danny - UNLIKE YOU - I don't know what happend in EVERY case. Since *I*
have not had the experience of a half dozen cases being reported AS YOU
HAVE, in New York, I don't walk in with your your bias of thinking that ALL
cases are like your own. My educated guess is that depending on the nature
of the information, if it comes in to CPS first, that typically they's bring
an officer along. Generally NOT THE damn DISTRICT ATTORNEY!
>> Another avenue is via a hotpital report, and that too is generally to
>> CPS.
> NYC doctors "generally" report sex crimes against children to the CPS
> hotline?
Well, sort of Danny. They have a number that they call into. ACS has
that job. Then they and NYPD respond. Sometimes it is a patrol unit that's
near by and sometimes if it is serious enough the detectives from a sex
crimes unit are called. DEPENDING. But usually ACS is there.
>>< I KNOWs that the GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT Dan Sullivan (expert among
>>experts) wants 200 DA
>> detectives to rugh out in their little Yugo cop cars to the scene, but
>> that
>> is not generally how it works no matter HOW MUCH you want it that way
>> because "THAT"S THE WAY IT HAPPEND TO" you!!!!
> Also to other people I'm familiar with in NY.
Yeah right Danny. I am SURE that the number of cases where the DA's
office is the FIRST RESPONDER is very small.
> Someone else I'm helping right now in NY learned of the alleged crime
> of sexual abuse of his daughter when the detectives handcuffed him
And it was DA's office detectives? Or what it as *I* said NYPD
detectives????
>> >> >> THEY - according to Sullivan do 100% of the investigations and CPS
>> >> >> doesn't exist!
>> >> > I never said that.
>> >> Of course not you just say that 100% is handled by detectives for
>> >> the District Attorney!!!!!
>> > I never said that.
>> Sure you are.
> Oh, I am???
Looking for a LOOPHOLE Danny? YOu said that ONLY the DA's office and
THEIR Detectives handle the cases. That NYPD Detectiove have ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING to do with it and CPS caseworkers either. So- Danny YES that IS
what you have been saying. YOU have made this argument live with the ground
you have painted.
> ===========
>> By phone.
>> > No discrepancies Danny
SHIOTLOADS OF DISHONEST EDITING ABOVE!!!
>> That's what you'd like people to believe.
>> But the evidence is plain as day.
>>
>> "Starts with" and "down the road" are polar opposites.
>>
>> Please explain, piggy, why you think those quotes from you aren't a
>> disagreement in terms.
Danny - when a initial call comes in nobody knows what they have. In the
typical case going to the hotline ACS is called. Probably NYPD as well. They
come in to see what they have. TYPICALLY if there appears to be some
substance to the reports, then the DETECTIVES from the sex crimes unit would
be called in to carry on the investigation. Your ASS/U/Mption that EVERYONE
in CPS is STUPID and unqualified is - well - it's TYPICAL Danny Sullivan
thinking. I grant that as a group they are screwed up. Many walk around with
heavy biases JUST LIKE YOU. Assholes are not confined to Usenet. They also
have people trained to interview kids. Do does the NYPD. I doubt every case
is handled the same as the one before it. I am equally SURE that the DA's
office is probably NOT the first responder in child abuse cases most of the
time. I would also suspect that when they ARE - there is a damn good reason
for it. Probably a dude with a LONG LONG LONG history with child abuse. A
well known PERP. Does that fit YOU Danny?
Dan Sullivan
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote
As YOU understand it???
There's the first major flaw in your contentions.
What if the crime doesn't involve a family friend or relative?
Then CPS isn't involved at all.
> AGAIN dipshit - it depends on how a
> referral comes in. WHO HAS THE HOTLINE?
The question isn't who has a hotline.
The question is who investigates sexual crimes against children.
I asked "They have a poorly trained case worker do the initial
investigation of a sex crime and some time "down the road" a specially
trained detective steps in and gathers the evidence from the CW?"
And you responded with "A sad reality Danny. That's why the system is
such a MESS."
Then I posted "And when it goes to trial the CW testifies that he/she
did all the preliminary interviews of the children, parents and
alleged perpetrator and gathered the evidence... and that farther
"down the road" the detectives stepped in.
And you responded with "Typical - and many bad cases are lost as a
result."
BTW, pangborn you also claimed "Unless it is a MAJOR CASE. Such as a
homicide. Usually they come out farther down the road and not the
initial calls as Danny has stated it."
For someone who claims to have handled cases in most of the boroughs
of NYC you don't seem to know that sex crimes against children aren't
investigated by MAJOR CASE SQUAD detectives "farther down the road,"
but by detectives of the Special Crimes Units.
> When the crew at a hospital suspects
> abuse, are they mandated to call the DA's office?
Are you claiming that whenever "the crew at a hospital" suspects
sexual abuse they're only mandated to call CPS?
What if the alleged perpetrator isn't a relative?
What if the crime doesn't involve a family friend or relative?
Are you claiming hospital personnel call the CPS hotline anyway?
Are you claiming that hospital personnel aren't aware of the Special
Victims Unit which investigates sexual crimes against children?
When hospital personnel suspect the sexual abuse of a child they
notify the people who investigate sexual crimes against children...
the Special Victims Unit.
> >> I don't much give a shit whether the GREAT Dan Sullivan likes it or not.
> >> That
> >> is a FACT of life. LIVE WITH IT. I didn't make the rules.
> >
> > It's a RULE that CPS investigates sex crimes against children?
>
> Yes in Captain Kangaroo's green book of rules Danny. RULES? Is thjis
> kindergarten Sullivan?
>
> > Maybe greg or LK can post that actual rule... with a link of course.
>
> LINKS GODDD DAMMMM LINKS DANNY WANTS LINKS!!!!!
>
> http://vnboards.ign.com/darktide/b5152/107149594/p1/?4
>
> http://sanantonio.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2002/04/08/edito...
>
> http://www.tvparty.com/keeshan.html
>
> http://www.time.com/time/columnist/poniewozik/article/0,9565,582737,0...
>
> There's your LINKS Danny ENJOY!! I gave you your Godddd DAMMM links!
> NOW you ahve LINKS! Happy?
>
> > I know you, piggy, won't prove your own claim.
>
> What claim is that? I am not the NUT who is claiming that ALL chniuld
> abuse claims come directly to the District Attoprney's office and they send
> out their own FLYING SQUADS of detective to investigate them.
I never claimed that.
And that's not what's being discussed.
The question is who does the initial investigations of sexual crimes
against children.
First you said CPS case workers do the investigation and "farther down
the road" detectives step in, and then you switched and said it
"starts with the NYPD."
To refresh your memory, again ...
I asked "They have a poorly trained case worker do the initial
investigation of a sex crime and some time "down the road" a specially
trained detective steps in and gathers the evidence from the CW?"
And you responded with "A sad reality Danny. That's why the system is
such a MESS."
Then I posted "And when it goes to trial the CW testifies that he/she
did all the preliminary interviews of the children, parents and
alleged perpetrator and gathered the evidence... and that farther
"down the road" the detectives stepped in.
And you responded with "Typical - and many bad cases are lost as a
result."
And later in another exchange you changed your claim to "It starts
with the NYPD."
So I asked "Please explain the discrepancies in your answers, piggy."
And you said "No discrepancies Danny"
And I responded with "That's what you'd like people to believe. But
the evidence is plain as day."
"Starts with" and "down the road" are polar opposites.
Please explain, piggy, why you think those quotes from you aren't a
disagreement in terms."
And in typical ken pangborn fashion you deleted my questions so you
wouldn't have to explain.
Does that refresh your memory?
> >> > And in the first exchange to the question "And when it goes to trial
> >> > the CW testifies that he/she did all the preliminary interviews of the
> >> > children, parents and alleged perpetrator and gathered the evidence...
> >> > and that farther "down the road" the detectives stepped in." you
> >> > responded with "Typical - and many bad cases are lost as a result."
>
> >> Look DIPSHIT - YOU said that.
> >
> > I was simply summarizing what you claimed... and you agreed with it!!!
>
> BUT asshole - you DISHONESTLY put it in quotes.
I put what I said in quotes to demonstrate what you agreed with.
> In other words you were LYING AGAIN Sullivan!
No, I was just being clear.
> > So don't blame me when YOU agree with your own claims.
>
> Sullivan do you realize that you are insane?
But I'm not.
> >> Somtimes the CW is called, sometimes NOT in a criminal case.
> >
> > But you said the CPS CW is there from the start.
>
> Usually - yes Danny. WHO HAS THE FUKKKKKKKKING hot line???? THE DA like
> YOU drunkenly claim?
The question isn't who has the hotline.
The question is who investigates sexual crimes against children.
And again, what if the alleged perpetrator isn't a relative?
And what if the crime doesn't involve a family friend or relative?
> >> > While in the second exchange you claim "Depending on the genesis of
> >> > the case, generally it starts with the NYPD and CPS."
> >>
> >> WHO MANS THE FUKKKKKKKKKKING HOTLINE Danny boy? Come on even the
> >> GREAT
> >> ATTORNEY DANNY SULLIVAN isn't THAT stupid.
> >
> > I'm sure some percentage of calls go to the CPS hotline, but I'm also
> > sure a substantial number of calls go to the DA's office and the
> > police.
>
> AND POLICE????? Hedging a LITTLE Danny? I said CPS and police.
But you claimed the investigation of the crime was conducted by a CPS
case worker and a detective would step in "farther down the road."
> I don't
> know of ANY that go DIRECTL:Y to the DA to handle. I might speculate that on
> some occisions it COULD happen,. But by and large they go to CPS and the
> NYPD.
And sex crimes against children are investigated by specially trained
detectives from the Special Victims Unit.
> >> > How can the detectives in the first exchange not be involved until
> >> > after the CPS CW interviews everyone involved and gathers the evidence
> >> > and in the second exchange you claim the case starts with the
> >> > police?
>
> >> Now DANNY I know how hard it is for a moron like you to follow. Much
> >> depends on how the case comes in. Hotline is one way.Usually then first
> >> contact is with a case worker and factors depending the CW MAY or may not
> >> have a uniformed officer or NYPD detective along.
> >>
> > A report of a sexual crime against a child made to CPS and the CW "may
> > not" have an officer or detective along???
> >
> > Is that what you really believe or are you just speculating?
>
> Danny - UNLIKE YOU - I don't know what happend in EVERY case. Since *I*
> have not had the experience of a half dozen cases being reported AS YOU
> HAVE, in New York, I don't walk in with your your bias of thinking that ALL
> cases are like your own. My educated guess is that depending on the nature
> of the information, if it comes in to CPS first, that typically they's bring
> an officer along. Generally NOT THE damn DISTRICT ATTORNEY!
I never said the District Attorney goes out to investigate reports of
sexual abuse crimes against children.
First YOU claimed the investigations were done by CPS case workers and
then later you switched your claim to the investigation "starts with
the NYPD."
When in fact I have been correct all along in stating that there are
specially trained detectives (from the Special Victims Unit) who
conduct investigations of sexual crimes against children.
> >> Another avenue is via a hotpital report, and that too is generally to
> >> CPS.
> >>
> > NYC doctors "generally" report sex crimes against children to the CPS
> > hotline?
>
> Well, sort of Danny. They have a number that they call into. ACS has
> that job.
ACS has the job of investigating sex crimes against children?
Sorry, kenny boy, you are wrong.
What if the crime doesn't involve a family friend or relative and
doesn't fall under the purview of CPS?
Hospital personnel report the crime to CPS anyway?
> Then they and NYPD respond. Sometimes it is a patrol unit that's
> near by and sometimes if it is serious enough the detectives from a sex
> crimes unit are called. DEPENDING. But usually ACS is there.
The question isn't who is there.
The question is who does the investigation of a report of sexual abuse
of a child.
First you said it was a CPS CW who did the investigation and "farther
down the road" a detective steps in.
Then you said it "starts with the NYPD."
And it certainly isn't a cop "in a patrol unit that's near by."
> >>< I KNOWs that the GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT Dan Sullivan (expert among
> >>experts) wants 200 DA
> >> detectives to rugh out in their little Yugo cop cars to the scene, but
> >> that
> >> is not generally how it works no matter HOW MUCH you want it that way
> >> because "THAT"S THE WAY IT HAPPEND TO" you!!!!
> >
> > Also to other people I'm familiar with in NY.
>
> Yeah right Danny. I am SURE that the number of cases where the DA's
> office is the FIRST RESPONDER is very small.
I never said the DA's office was the first responder.
> > Someone else I'm helping right now in NY learned of the alleged crime
> > of sexual abuse of his daughter when the detectives handcuffed him
>
> And it was DA's office detectives? Or what it as *I* said NYPD
> detectives????
Detectives from the Special Victims Unit.
NOT detectives from the local precinct.
And CPS may be there if the alleged perpetrator is a relative.
But the investigation of the crime is conducted by a specially trained
detective from the Special Victims Unit.
> >> >> >> THEY - according to Sullivan do 100% of the investigations and CPS
> >> >> >> doesn't exist!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I never said that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Of course not you just say that 100% is handled by detectives for
> >> >> the District Attorney!!!!!
> >> >
> >> > I never said that.
> >>
> >> Sure you are.
> >
> > Oh, I am???
>
> Looking for a LOOPHOLE Danny?
I'm just demonstrating that your comment made no sense.
> YOu said that ONLY the DA's office and
> THEIR Detectives handle the cases.
No, YOU said CPS case workers conduct the investigation and "farther
down the road" the detectives step in.
> That NYPD Detectiove have ABSOLUTELY
> NOTHING to do with it and CPS caseworkers either.
Detectives from the local precinct don't investigate sexual abuse
crimes against children.
And police in near by patrol cars don't investigate sexual crimes
against children, either.
> So- Danny YES that IS what you have been saying.
Thank you, pangborn, for finally admitting your claims were inaccurate
and untrue about who conducts investigations of sexual abuse against
children..
Not at all.
> >> That's what you'd like people to believe.
> >> But the evidence is plain as day.
>
> >> "Starts with" and "down the road" are polar opposites.
>
> >> Please explain, piggy, why you think those quotes from you aren't a
> >> disagreement in terms.
>
> Danny - when a initial call comes in nobody knows what they have.
When a crime of sexual abuse of a child is made the detectives from
Special Victims Unit respond and conduct the investigation.
YOU have claimed the investigation of a sex crime against a child is
the job of and is conducted by a CPS case worker.
Remember you said it was "A sad reality Danny. That's why the system
is such a MESS."
> In the
> typical case going to the hotline ACS is called. Probably NYPD as well. They
> come in to see what they have. TYPICALLY if there appears to be some
> substance to the reports, then the DETECTIVES from the sex crimes unit would
> be called in to carry on the investigation.
Wrong, a policeman from the local precinct does not have the training
or expertise to conduct an interview with a child victim.
That's why there's a Special Victims Unit.
> Your ASS/U/Mption that EVERYONE
> in CPS is STUPID and unqualified is - well - it's TYPICAL Danny Sullivan
> thinking. I grant that as a group they are screwed up. Many walk around with
> heavy biases JUST LIKE YOU. Assholes are not confined to Usenet. They also
> have people trained to interview kids. Do does the NYPD.
Correct, and the policemen driving around in patrol cars aren't one of
them.
> I doubt every case
> is handled the same as the one before it.
I didn't say it was.
> I am equally SURE that the DA's
> office is probably NOT the first responder in child abuse cases most of the
> time.
I didn't say it was.
> I would also suspect that when they ARE - there is a damn good reason
> for it. Probably a dude with a LONG LONG LONG history with child abuse. A
> well known PERP. Does that fit YOU Danny?
Of course not.
Greegor
> > in a criminal case.
According to your old buddy, Kane, sometimes
LAW ENFORCEMENT is called, sometimes not.
> But you said the CPS CW is there from the start.
The threshhold is much lower for calling in CPS,
so YES. And Kane asserted that a lot of criminal
sexual abuse cases start from CPS cases.
> > > While in the second exchange you claim "Depending on the genesis of
> > > the case, generally it starts with the NYPD and CPS."
>
> > WHO MANS THE FUKKKKKKKKKKING HOTLINE Danny boy? Come on evenn the GREAT
> > ATTORNEY DANNY SULLIVAN isn't THAT stupid.
> I'm sure some percentage of calls go to the CPS hotline, but I'm also
> sure a substantial number of calls go to the DA's office and the
> police.
Dan, For MANDATORY REPORTERS, it's habitual
for them to call Child Protective Services.
AND they are indoctrinated to start the "meat grinder"
based on even the thinnest suspicion that there
could possibly be child abuse.
Kids can't have a sports injury or fall out of a tree
anymore without a CPS investigation.
What's even more bizarre is that PROFESSIONALS
who KNOW that it's a false lead must hand off
the lead to people who are NOT professionals
as if they are a higher authority on the issue.
> > > How can the detectives in the first exchange not be involved until
> > > after the CPS CW interviews everyone involved and gathers the evidence
> > > and in the second exchange you claim the case starts with the
> > > police?
>
> > Now DANNY I know how hard it is for a moron like you to follow. Much
> > depends on how the case comes in. Hotline is one way.Usually then first
> > contact is with a case worker and factors depending the CW MAY or may not
> > have a uniformed officer or NYPD detective along.
>
> A report of a sexual crime against a child made to CPS and the CW "may
> not" have an officer or detective along???
>
> Is that what you really believe or are you just speculating?
>
> > Another avenue is via a
> > hotpital report, and that too is generally to CPS.
>
> NYC doctors "generally" report sex crimes against children to the CPS
> hotline?
MANDATORY REPORTER LAWS SAY WHAT??
> >< I KNOWs thatr the GREAT
> > GREAT GREAT GREAT Dan Sullivan (expert among experts) wants 200 DA
> > detectives to rugh out in their little Yugo cop cars to the scene, but that
> > is not generally how it works no matter HOW MUCH you want it that way
> > because "THAT"S THE WAY IT HAPPEND TO" you!!!!
>
> Also to other people I'm familiar with in NY.
Dan is one giant anecdote with no PROOF of diddly.
> Someone else I'm helping right now in NY learned of the alleged crime
> of sexual abuse of his daughter when the detectives handcuffed him
Unauthorized Practice of Law? Dan?
> > >> >> THEY - according to Sullivan do 100% of the investigations and CPS
> > >> >> doesn't exist!
> > >> > I never said that.
> > >> Of course not you just say that 100% is handled by detectives for the
> > >> District Attorney!!!!!
> > > I never said that.
>
> > Sure you are.
>
> Oh, I am???
>
> BTW here's what you deleted from my message.
>
> ===========
>
>
>
> > > >> Depending on the genesis of the case, generally it starts with the
> > > >> NYPD
> > > >> and CPS.
>
> > > > Starts with the NYPD???
>
> > > And CPS. Who has the HOTLINE Danny? The DA????
>
> > I'm sure calls are made to the DA's office and the police.
Dan, What's the hotline number in NY? What agency operates it?
> > And if the police get a call regarding the sexual abuse of a child
> > they notify the specially trained detectives immediately.
>
> > > How do child abuse reports come in?
>
> > By phone.
>
> > > Do hospitals report to the DA's office??
>
> > If there's evidence of a crime are you claiming the hospital personnel
> > call CPS rather than 911?
>
> > > Or does CPS say WAIT - we have to get the detectives
> > > from the DA's office out to investigate..
Mandatory reporter laws say CPS don't they?
> > In my case the detectives from the DA's office and CPS interviewed my
> > daughter together about the alleged sexual abuse.
>
> > > > That's not what you said before...
>
> > > I said CPS and the NYPD would come first IF the case will go to
> > > prosecution and it is NECESSARY the DA may have one of their detectives look
> > > for some stuff.
>
> > How would CPS and the police know IF a case is going to be prosecuted
> > until after they started the investigation?
>
> > And policemen aren't trained to investigate reports of sexual abuse of
> > children OR interview the alleged child victims.
>
> > That's why there are specially trained detectives.
>
> > But YOU claim those specially trained detectives come in "down the
> > road!!!"
I'd like to know who trains these specially trained detectives!
What college teaches child sexual abuse investigation?
Or is it like the "special training" that caseworkers get,
2 weeks trained by a moron and then On the Job Training?
Greegor
DS > Then CPS isn't involved at all.
Dan, WHO makes that determination?
Oops!
CPS!
Dan Sullivan
> > > Somtimes the CW is called, sometimes NOT
> > > in a criminal case.
>
> According to your old buddy, Kane, sometimes
> LAW ENFORCEMENT is called, sometimes not.
I don't know that Kane said that.
But maybe you can tell me under what circumstance you think a CPS case
worker or hospital personnel wouldn't report a sexual crime against a
child to law enforcement.
> > But you said the CPS CW is there from the start.
>
> The threshhold is much lower for calling in CPS,
> so YES. And Kane asserted that a lot of criminal
> sexual abuse cases start from CPS cases.
And a lot would be reported directly to law enforcement because the
assailant isn't a relative or friend of the family.
> > > > While in the second exchange you claim "Depending on the genesis of
> > > > the case, generally it starts with the NYPD and CPS."
>
> > > WHO MANS THE FUKKKKKKKKKKING HOTLINE Danny boy? Come on evenn the GREAT
> > > ATTORNEY DANNY SULLIVAN isn't THAT stupid.
> > I'm sure some percentage of calls go to the CPS hotline, but I'm also
> > sure a substantial number of calls go to the DA's office and the
> > police.
>
> Dan, For MANDATORY REPORTERS, it's habitual
> for them to call Child Protective Services.
NOT if the alleged perp isn't someone legally responsible for the
child.
In NY the law states CPS should investigate "any parent or other
person legally responsible for the child's care who is alleged to have
abused or neglected such child."
> > >< I KNOWs thatr the GREAT
> > > GREAT GREAT GREAT Dan Sullivan (expert among experts) wants 200 DA
> > > detectives to rugh out in their little Yugo cop cars to the scene, but that
> > > is not generally how it works no matter HOW MUCH you want it that way
> > > because "THAT"S THE WAY IT HAPPEND TO" you!!!!
>
> > Also to other people I'm familiar with in NY.
>
> Dan is one giant anecdote with no PROOF of diddly.
>
> > Someone else I'm helping right now in NY learned of the alleged crime
> > of sexual abuse of his daughter when the detectives handcuffed him
>
> Unauthorized Practice of Law? Dan?
Not at all.
> > > >> >> THEY - according to Sullivan do 100% of the investigations and CPS
> > > >> >> doesn't exist!
> > > >> > I never said that.
> > > >> Of course not you just say that 100% is handled by detectives for the
> > > >> District Attorney!!!!!
> > > > I never said that.
>
> > > Sure you are.
>
> > Oh, I am???
>
> > BTW here's what you deleted from my message.
>
> > ===========
>
> > > > >> Depending on the genesis of the case, generally it starts with the
> > > > >> NYPD
> > > > >> and CPS.
>
> > > > > Starts with the NYPD???
>
> > > > And CPS. Who has the HOTLINE Danny? The DA????
>
> > > I'm sure calls are made to the DA's office and the police.
>
> Dan, What's the hotline number in NY? What agency operates it?
That's not the subject.
ken pangborn claimed the DA's office has CPS case workers investigate
sexual crimes against children by conducting interviews with the
family, child and perpetrator, and gathering evidence, and then
"farther down the road" a detective steps in.
Do you agree with this assertion of ken pangborn's?
> > > And if the police get a call regarding the sexual abuse of a child
> > > they notify the specially trained detectives immediately.
>
> > > > How do child abuse reports come in?
>
> > > By phone.
>
> > > > Do hospitals report to the DA's office??
>
> > > If there's evidence of a crime are you claiming the hospital personnel
> > > call CPS rather than 911?
>
> > > > Or does CPS say WAIT - we have to get the detectives
> > > > from the DA's office out to investigate..
>
> Mandatory reporter laws say CPS don't they?
Only if the perp is a "parent or other person legally responsible for
the child's care who is alleged to have abused or neglected such
child."
> > > In my case the detectives from the DA's office and CPS interviewed my
> > > daughter together about the alleged sexual abuse.
>
> > > > > That's not what you said before...
>
> > > > I said CPS and the NYPD would come first IF the case will go to
> > > > prosecution and it is NECESSARY the DA may have one of their detectives look
> > > > for some stuff.
>
> > > How would CPS and the police know IF a case is going to be prosecuted
> > > until after they started the investigation?
>
> > > And policemen aren't trained to investigate reports of sexual abuse of
> > > children OR interview the alleged child victims.
>
> > > That's why there are specially trained detectives.
>
> > > But YOU claim those specially trained detectives come in "down the
> > > road!!!"
>
> I'd like to know who trains these specially trained detectives!
> What college teaches child sexual abuse investigation?
> Or is it like the "special training" that caseworkers get,
> 2 weeks trained by a moron and then On the Job Training?
Let us know when you find out.
> > > > > Please explain the discrepancies in your answers, piggy.
>
> > > > No discrepancies Danny
>
> > > That's what you'd like people to believe.
>
> > > But the evidence is plain as day.
>
> > > "Starts with" and "down the road" are polar opposites.
>
> > > Please explain, piggy, why you think those quotes from you aren't a
> > > disagreement in terms.
You wouldn't try and explain this for ken pangborn, greg?
Maybe you can get LK to do it.
Dan Sullivan
No, it's the law that makes the distinction... CPS is required to
conduct the investigation of a "parent or other person legally
responsible for the child's care who is alleged to have abused or
neglected such child."
Is that not clear enough for you, greg?
krp
"Greegor" <Gree...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:77a4a18c-ead2-4744...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> > Somtimes the CW is called, sometimes NOT
> > in a criminal case.
According to your old buddy, Kane, sometimes
LAW ENFORCEMENT is called, sometimes not.
> But you said the CPS CW is there from the start.
The threshhold is much lower for calling in CPS,
so YES. And Kane asserted that a lot of criminal
sexual abuse cases start from CPS cases.
> > > While in the second exchange you claim "Depending on the genesis of
> > > the case, generally it starts with the NYPD and CPS."
>
> > WHO MANS THE FUKKKKKKKKKKING HOTLINE Danny boy? Come on evenn the GREAT
> > ATTORNEY DANNY SULLIVAN isn't THAT stupid.
> I'm sure some percentage of calls go to the CPS hotline, but I'm also
> sure a substantial number of calls go to the DA's office and the
> police.
Dan, For MANDATORY REPORTERS, it's habitual
for them to call Child Protective Services.
=====================================
Who are they mandated top report TO?
===============
krp
"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> wrote more bullshit in message
news:3d808dea-2ccd-4f91...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> Oh? Then what's the debate here? Are you getting confused again
>> >> >> Danny/
>> >> >> Too much crack today?
>> >> > In the first exchange you were very specific in acknowledging "They
>> >> > have a poorly trained case worker do the initial investigation of a
>> >> > sex crime and some time "down the road" a specially trained
>> >> > detective
>> >> > steps in and gathers the evidence from the CW?" by responding with
>> >> > "A
>> >> > sad reality Danny. That's why the system is such a MESS."
>>
>> >> Regardless of how poorly trained CPS workers ARE, they HAVE the
>> >> job!
>> >
>> > It's CPS' job in NY to investigate sex crimes against children?
>>
>> Initially, yes as I understand it.
>
> As YOU understand it???
>
> There's the first major flaw in your contentions.
Danny YOU ARE INSANE. Mandatory reporters report TO CPS.
Dan Sullivan
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote more bullshit in messagenews:3d808dea-2ccd-4f91...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
I'm not insane.
You've lied and bullshitted yourself into a corner, pangborn, and you
want to change the subject.
You claimed that it's CPS' job in NY to investigate sex crimes against
children.
But the law only requires CPS to investigate reports when "any parent
or person legally responsible for the child's care who is alleged to
have abused or neglected such child's care."
The real fact is sex crimes against children according to CRIMINAL LAW
are investigated by law enforcement.
And in NY those criminal investigations are conducted by the Special
Victims Unit.
Dan Sullivan
> On Jul 5, 11:31 am, Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > in a criminal case.
>
> > LAW ENFORCEMENT is called, sometimes not.
>
>
> But maybe you can tell me under what circumstance you think a CPS case
> child to law enforcement.
>
> > > But you said the CPS CW is there from the start.
>
> > so YES. And Kane asserted that a lot of criminal
> > sexual abuse cases start from CPS cases.
>
> assailant isn't a relative or friend of the family.
>
> > > > > the case, generally it starts with the NYPD and CPS."
>
> > > > ATTORNEY DANNY SULLIVAN isn't THAT stupid.
> > > I'm sure some percentage of calls go to the CPS hotline, but I'm also
> > > sure a substantial number of calls go to the DA's office and the
> > > police.
>
> > for them to call Child Protective Services.
>
> child.
>
>
>
> > AND they are indoctrinated to start the "meat grinder"
> > based on even the thinnest suspicion that there
> > could possibly be child abuse.
> > Kids can't have a sports injury or fall out of a tree
> > anymore without a CPS investigation.
> > What's even more bizarre is that PROFESSIONALS
> > who KNOW that it's a false lead must hand off
> > the lead to people who are NOT professionals
> > as if they are a higher authority on the issue.
>
> > > > > after the CPS CW interviews everyone involved and gathers the evidence
> > > > > and in the second exchange you claim the case starts with the
> > > > > police?
>
> > > > Now DANNY I know how hard it is for a moron like you to follow. Much
> > > > depends on how the case comes in. Hotline is one way.Usually then first
> > > > contact is with a case worker and factors depending the CW MAY or may not
> > > > have a uniformed officer or NYPD detective along.
>
> > > A report of a sexual crime against a child made to CPS and the CW "may
> > > not" have an officer or detective along???
>
> > > Is that what you really believe or are you just speculating?
>
> > > > hotpital report, and that too is generally to CPS.
>
> > > NYC doctors "generally" report sex crimes against children to the CPS
> > > hotline?
>
>
> In NY the law states CPS should investigate "any parent or other
>
> > > >< I KNOWs thatr the GREAT
> > > > GREAT GREAT GREAT Dan Sullivan (expert among experts) wants 200 DA
> > > > detectives to rugh out in their little Yugo cop cars to the scene, but that
> > > > is not generally how it works no matter HOW MUCH you want it that way
> > > > because "THAT"S THE WAY IT HAPPEND TO" you!!!!
>
> > > Also to other people I'm familiar with in NY.
>
>
> > > of sexual abuse of his daughter when the detectives handcuffed him
>
>
> Not at all.
>
>
>
> > > > >> >> doesn't exist!
> > > > >> > I never said that.
> > > > >> Of course not you just say that 100% is handled by detectives for the
> > > > >> District Attorney!!!!!
> > > > > I never said that.
>
> > > > Sure you are.
>
> > > Oh, I am???
>
>
> > > ===========
>
> > > > > >> Depending on the genesis of the case, generally it starts with the
> > > > > >> NYPD
> > > > > >> and CPS.
>
> > > > > > Starts with the NYPD???
>
> > > > > And CPS. Who has the HOTLINE Danny? The DA????
>
> > > > I'm sure calls are made to the DA's office and the police.
>
>
> That's not the subject.
>
> ken pangborn claimed the DA's office has CPS case workers investigate
> sexual crimes against children by conducting interviews with the
> family, child and perpetrator, and gathering evidence, and then
>
>
>
>
> > > > they notify the specially trained detectives immediately.
>
> > > > > How do child abuse reports come in?
>
> > > > By phone.
>
> > > > > Do hospitals report to the DA's office??
>
> > > > If there's evidence of a crime are you claiming the hospital personnel
> > > > call CPS rather than 911?
>
> > > > > Or does CPS say WAIT - we have to get the detectives
> > > > > from the DA's office out to investigate..
>
>
> the child's care who is alleged to have abused or neglected such
>
>
>
> > > > In my case the detectives from the DA's office and CPS interviewed my
> > > > daughter together about the alleged sexual abuse.
>
> > > > > > That's not what you said before...
>
> > > > > I said CPS and the NYPD would come first IF the case will go to
> > > > > prosecution and it is NECESSARY the DA may have one of their detectives look
> > > > > for some stuff.
>
> > > > How would CPS and the police know IF a case is going to be prosecuted
> > > > until after they started the investigation?
>
> > > > And policemen aren't trained to investigate reports of sexual abuse of
> > > > children OR interview the alleged child victims.
>
> > > > That's why there are specially trained detectives.
>
> > > > But YOU claim those specially trained detectives come in "down the
> > > > road!!!"
>
> > What college teaches child sexual abuse investigation?
> > Or is it like the "special training" that caseworkers get,
> > 2 weeks trained by a moron and then On the Job Training?
>
> Let us know when you find out.
>
>
> > > > > No discrepancies Danny
>
>
> > > > But the evidence is plain as day.
>
> > > > "Starts with" and "down the road" are polar opposites.
>
> > > > Please explain, piggy, why you think those quotes from you aren't a
> > > > disagreement in terms.
>
>
> Maybe you can get LK to do it.
Come on, kenny, post some more of your hilarious answers!!!
Greegor
A law can't make a distinction all by itself, Dan!
Somebody has to decide whether or not it applies. Who?
And in YOUR OWN CASE Dan, this definition
would say that your case started with CPS
and NOT the DA's office.
So how did the DA's office get dragged in
when it was CPS territory by the definition
YOU POSTED??
Dan Sullivan
> On Jul 5, 11:49 am, Dan Sullivan <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 5, 12:11 pm, Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > DS > What if the crime doesn't involve a family friend or relative?
> > > DS > Then CPS isn't involved at all.
>
> > > Dan, WHO makes that determination?
> > > Oops!
>
> > > CPS!
>
> > No, it's the law that makes the distinction... CPS is required to
> > conduct the investigation of a "parent or other person legally
> > responsible for the child's care who is alleged to have abused or
> > neglected such child."
>
> > Is that not clear enough for you, greg?
>
> A law can't make a distinction all by itself, Dan!
>
> Somebody has to decide whether or not it applies. Who?
>
> And in YOUR OWN CASE Dan, this definition
> would say that your case started with CPS
> and NOT the DA's office.
Laws can't make distinctions but definitions say things, greg?
Do you really think you know my case better than I do?
> So how did the DA's office get dragged in
> when it was CPS territory by the definition
> YOU POSTED??
Crimes are investigated by law enforcement.
Are you claiming that CPS should have investigated the alleged crime
without law enforcement?
Greegor
> On Jul 5, 11:31 am, Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Somtimes the CW is called, sometimes NOT
> > > > in a criminal case.
>
> > According to your old buddy, Kane, sometimes
> > LAW ENFORCEMENT is called, sometimes not.
>
> I don't know that Kane said that.
Do you feel it is a substantive issue?
> But maybe you can tell me under what circumstance you think a CPS case
> worker or hospital personnel wouldn't report a sexual crime against a
> child to law enforcement.
Wait! Are you saying that CPS called in the DA's investigators
in your case? WHY would they do that?
> > > But you said the CPS CW is there from the start.
>
> > The threshhold is much lower for calling in CPS,
> > so YES. And Kane asserted that a lot of criminal
> > sexual abuse cases start from CPS cases.
>
> And a lot would be reported directly to law enforcement because the
> assailant isn't a relative or friend of the family.
But that's not the point IN YOUR CASE, Dan!
Why did CPS feel the need to call in the DA's
office in your "puppet bear" case, Dan?
Why did you try to confuse the issue with
statistical probabilities that don't pertain
to YOUR CASE, Dan?
> > > > > While in the second exchange you claim "Depending on the genesis of
> > > > > the case, generally it starts with the NYPD and CPS."
>
> > > > WHO MANS THE FUKKKKKKKKKKING HOTLINE Danny boy? Come on evenn the GREAT
> > > > ATTORNEY DANNY SULLIVAN isn't THAT stupid.
> > > I'm sure some percentage of calls go to the CPS hotline, but I'm also
> > > sure a substantial number of calls go to the DA's office and the
> > > police.
>
> > Dan, For MANDATORY REPORTERS, it's habitual
> > for them to call Child Protective Services.
>
> NOT if the alleged perp isn't someone legally responsible for the
> child.
Did you forget that we were talking
about YOUR OWN extra special case
where CPS felt the need to call in the DA's office?
Or did you just want others to forget that?
In YOUR CASE the ""alleged perp"" was YOU,
the biological Dad, correct?
How does that explain the DA's office being brought
into your PUPPET BEAR case?
You were the ""alleged perp"" and you are the girl's biological
Father, right?
Why are trying to rationalize cases THAT AREN'T YOUR OWN?
> > > >< I KNOWs thatr the GREAT
> > > > GREAT GREAT GREAT Dan Sullivan (expert among experts) wants 200 DA
> > > > detectives to rugh out in their little Yugo cop cars to the scene, but that
> > > > is not generally how it works no matter HOW MUCH you want it that way
> > > > because "THAT"S THE WAY IT HAPPEND TO" you!!!!
>
> > > Also to other people I'm familiar with in NY.
>
> > Dan is one giant anecdote with no PROOF of diddly.
>
> > > Someone else I'm helping right now in NY learned of the alleged crime
> > > of sexual abuse of his daughter when the detectives handcuffed him
>
> > Unauthorized Practice of Law? Dan?
>
> Not at all.
How exactly is it not UPL, Dan?
> > > > >> >> THEY - according to Sullivan do 100% of the investigations and CPS
> > > > >> >> doesn't exist!
> > > > >> > I never said that.
> > > > >> Of course not you just say that 100% is handled by detectives for the
> > > > >> District Attorney!!!!!
> > > > > I never said that.
>
> > > > Sure you are.
>
> > > Oh, I am???
>
> > > BTW here's what you deleted from my message.
>
> > > ===========
>
> > > > > >> Depending on the genesis of the case, generally it starts with the
> > > > > >> NYPD
> > > > > >> and CPS.
>
> > > > > > Starts with the NYPD???
>
> > > > > And CPS. Who has the HOTLINE Danny? The DA????
>
> > > > I'm sure calls are made to the DA's office and the police.
>
> > Dan, What's the hotline number in NY? What agency operates it?
>
> That's not the subject.
It is in YOUR CASE! From what you've implied,
CPS in your "puppet bear" case called in the
DA's investigators to investigate you. Why?
> ken pangborn claimed the DA's office has CPS case workers investigate
> sexual crimes against children by conducting interviews with the
> family, child and perpetrator, and gathering evidence, and then
> "farther down the road" a detective steps in.
>
> Do you agree with this assertion of ken pangborn's?
Dan, In your VERY own extra special case,
you have implied that CPS had the case first
but quickly called in the DA's office and
supposedly without any merit, wasted the
time of the detectives for the DA's office.
How does this differ from what Ken says you said?
> > > > And if the police get a call regarding the sexual abuse of a child
> > > > they notify the specially trained detectives immediately.
>
> > > > > How do child abuse reports come in?
>
> > > > By phone.
>
> > > > > Do hospitals report to the DA's office??
>
> > > > If there's evidence of a crime are you claiming the hospital personnel
> > > > call CPS rather than 911?
>
> > > > > Or does CPS say WAIT - we have to get the detectives
> > > > > from the DA's office out to investigate..
>
> > Mandatory reporter laws say CPS don't they?
>
> Only if the perp is a "parent or other person legally responsible for
> the child's care who is alleged to have abused or neglected such
> child."
How the hell would hospital personnel have
any CLUE who the perp is?
> > > > In my case the detectives from the DA's office and CPS interviewed my
> > > > daughter together about the alleged sexual abuse.
>
> > > > > > That's not what you said before...
>
> > > > > I said CPS and the NYPD would come first IF the case will go to
> > > > > prosecution and it is NECESSARY the DA may have one of their detectives look
> > > > > for some stuff.
>
> > > > How would CPS and the police know IF a case is going to be prosecuted
> > > > until after they started the investigation?
>
> > > > And policemen aren't trained to investigate reports of sexual abuse of
> > > > children OR interview the alleged child victims.
>
> > > > That's why there are specially trained detectives.
>
> > > > But YOU claim those specially trained detectives come in "down the
> > > > road!!!"
G > I'd like to know who trains these specially trained detectives!
G > What college teaches child sexual abuse investigation?
G > Or is it like the "special training" that caseworkers get,
G > 2 weeks trained by a moron and then On the Job Training?
DS > Let us know when you find out.
Aren't you the one who asserted they are "specially trained"??
> > > > > > Please explain the discrepancies in your answers, piggy.
>
> > > > > No discrepancies Danny
>
> > > > That's what you'd like people to believe.
>
> > > > But the evidence is plain as day.
>
> > > > "Starts with" and "down the road" are polar opposites.
>
> > > > Please explain, piggy, why you think those quotes from you aren't a
> > > > disagreement in terms.
>
> You wouldn't try and explain this for ken pangborn, greg?
>
> Maybe you can get LK to do it.
Dan, You have never interceded with your cohorts
on my behalf or in the interest of fairness.
There have been MANY such opportunities.
Now you want LK or I to intercede for YOU, to
overcome your communication difficulty?
Not a chance!
Greegor
G > for them to call Child Protective Services.
KRP > Who are they mandated top report TO?
Aye, There's the rub!
Dan! In your "puppet bear" case just WHO
was the mandatory reporter?
Who was the initial reporter and why?
Why did CPS call in the DA's detectives?
Dan Sullivan
> On Jul 5, 11:47�am, Dan Sullivan <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 11:31 am, Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Somtimes the CW is called, sometimes NOT
> > > > > in a criminal case.
> >
> > > According to your old buddy, Kane, sometimes
> > > LAW ENFORCEMENT is called, sometimes not.
> >
> > I don't know that Kane said that.
>
> Do you feel it is a substantive issue?
Whether you're lying about what Kane supposedly said?
It's a diffierent issue.
Start another thread if you want.
> > But maybe you can tell me under what circumstance you think a CPS case
> > worker or hospital personnel wouldn't report a sexual crime against a
> > child to law enforcement.
>
> Wait!
For what?
Are you going to answer the question?
> Are you saying that CPS called in the DA's investigators
> in your case?
No, you're not, you're attempting to change the subject.
> WHY would they do that?
Because they raised the level of suspected CAN to a crime.
> > > > But you said the CPS CW is there from the start.
> >
> > > The threshhold is much lower for calling in CPS,
> > > so YES. �And Kane asserted that a lot of criminal
> > > sexual abuse cases start from CPS cases.
> >
> > And a lot would be reported directly to law enforcement because the
> > assailant isn't a relative or friend of the family.
>
> But that's not the point IN YOUR CASE, Dan!
We aren't talking about my case.
The subject is ken pangborn's claim that sex crimes against children
in NY are investigated by CPS.
> Why did CPS feel the need to call in the DA's
> office in your "puppet bear" case, Dan?
See above,
> Why did you try to confuse the issue with
> statistical probabilities that don't pertain
> to YOUR CASE, Dan?
As I said the subject isn't my case.
It's ken pangborn claim that sex crimes against children in NY are
investigated by CPS.
> > > > > > While in the second exchange you claim "Depending on the genesis of
> > > > > > the case, generally it starts with the NYPD and CPS."
> >
> > > > > � � WHO MANS THE FUKKKKKKKKKKING HOTLINE Danny boy? Come on evenn the GREAT
> > > > > ATTORNEY DANNY SULLIVAN isn't THAT stupid.
> > > > I'm sure some percentage of calls go to the CPS hotline, but I'm also
> > > > sure a substantial number of calls go to the DA's office and the
> > > > police.
> >
> > > Dan, For MANDATORY REPORTERS, it's habitual
> > > for them to call Child Protective Services.
> >
> > NOT if the alleged perp isn't someone legally responsible for the
> > child.
>
> Did you forget that we were talking
> about YOUR OWN extra special case
> where CPS felt the need to call in the DA's office?
See above.
> Or did you just want others to forget that?
See above.
Explain how it is.
> > > > > >> >> THEY - according to Sullivan do 100% of the investigations and CPS
> > > > > >> >> doesn't exist!
> > > > > >> > I never said that.
> > > > > >> � � Of course not you just say that 100% is handled by detectives for the
> > > > > >> District Attorney!!!!!
> > > > > > I never said that.
> >
> > > > > � � Sure you are.
> >
> > > > Oh, I am???
> >
> > > > BTW here's what you deleted from my message.
> >
> > > > ===========
> >
> > > > > > >> � � Depending on the genesis of the case, generally it starts with the
> > > > > > >> NYPD
> > > > > > >> and CPS.
> >
> > > > > > > Starts with the NYPD???
> >
> > > > > > � � And CPS. Who has the HOTLINE Danny? The DA????
> >
> > > > > I'm sure calls are made to the DA's office and the police.
> >
> > > Dan, What's the hotline number in NY? � What agency operates it?
> >
> > That's not the subject.
>
> It is in YOUR CASE! From what you've implied,
> CPS in your "puppet bear" case called in the
> DA's investigators to investigate you. Why?
See above.
> > ken pangborn claimed the DA's office has CPS case workers investigate
> > sexual crimes against children by conducting interviews with the
> > family, child and perpetrator, and gathering evidence, and then
> > "farther down the road" a detective steps in.
> >
> > Do you agree with this assertion of ken pangborn's?
>
> Dan, In your VERY own extra special case,
> you have implied that CPS had the case first
> but quickly called in the DA's office and
> supposedly without any merit, wasted the
> time of the detectives for the DA's office.
>
> How does this differ from what Ken says you said?
I don't know what you're talking about.
The subject is ken pangborn's claim that sex crimes against children
in NY are investigated by CPS.
> > > > > And if the police get a call regarding the sexual abuse of a child
> > > > > they notify the specially trained detectives immediately.
> >
> > > > > > How do child abuse reports come in?
> >
> > > > > By phone.
> >
> > > > > > Do hospitals report to the DA's office??
> >
> > > > > If there's evidence of a crime are you claiming the hospital personnel
> > > > > call CPS rather than 911?
> >
> > > > > > Or does CPS say WAIT - we have to get the detectives
> > > > > > from the DA's office out to investigate..
> >
> > > Mandatory reporter laws say CPS don't they?
> >
> > Only if the perp is a "parent or other person legally responsible for
> > the child's care who is alleged to have abused or neglected such
> > child."
>
> How the hell would hospital personnel have
> any CLUE who the perp is?
That why they call law enforcement.
Because a sex crime committed against a child is a CRIME!!!
Is it your claim that the rape of an 18 year old girl is reported to
law enforcement but if she was raped the day before her 18th birthday,
the hospital personnel would call CPS?
> > > > > In my case the detectives from the DA's office and CPS interviewed my
> > > > > daughter together about the alleged sexual abuse.
> >
> > > > > > > That's not what you said before...
> >
> > > > > > � � I said CPS and the NYPD would come first IF the case will go to
> > > > > > prosecution and it is NECESSARY the DA may have one of their detectives look
> > > > > > for some stuff.
> >
> > > > > How would CPS and the police know IF a case is going to be prosecuted
> > > > > until after they started the investigation?
> >
> > > > > And policemen aren't trained to investigate reports of sexual abuse of
> > > > > children OR interview the alleged child victims.
> >
> > > > > That's why there are specially trained detectives.
> >
> > > > > But YOU claim those specially trained detectives come in "down the
> > > > > road!!!"
>
> G > I'd like to know who trains these specially trained detectives!
> G > What college teaches child sexual abuse investigation?
> G > Or is it like the "special training" that caseworkers get,
> G > 2 weeks trained by a moron and then On the Job Training?
>
> DS > Let us know when you find out.
>
> Aren't you the one who asserted they are "specially trained"??
Yes.
> > > > > > > Please explain the discrepancies �in your answers, piggy.
> >
> > > > > > � � No discrepancies Danny
> >
> > > > > That's what you'd like people to believe.
> >
> > > > > But the evidence is plain as day.
> >
> > > > > "Starts with" and "down the road" are polar opposites.
> >
> > > > > Please explain, piggy, why you think those quotes from you aren't a
> > > > > disagreement in terms.
> >
> > You wouldn't try and explain this for ken pangborn, greg?
> >
> > Maybe you can get LK to do it.
>
> Dan, You have never interceded with your cohorts
> on my behalf or in the interest of fairness.
You're a registered child abuser.
Yet you claim you had permission to do what you did to the little
girl.
And you've been convicted twice for abusing a mentally ill woman.
And you claim it was the mentally ill woman's fault.
Why would I intercede in your behalf?
> There have been MANY such opportunities.
>
> Now you want LK or I to intercede for YOU, to
> overcome your communication difficulty?
No, I asked if you would explain ken pangborn's disagreement in terms.
The resistance to answering the question is pangborn's.
ken (falsely) claims there's no disagreement in terms without
explanation... because "starts with" and "farther down the road" are a
contradiction in terms.
Kent Wills
wrote:
>> > Somtimes the CW is called, sometimes NOT
>> > in a criminal case.
>
>According to your old buddy, Kane, sometimes
>LAW ENFORCEMENT is called, sometimes not.
You need to get over your obsession with Kane. He's gone.
Accept it and move on with your life.
>
>> But you said the CPS CW is there from the start.
>
>The threshhold is much lower for calling in CPS,
>so YES. And Kane asserted that a lot of criminal
>sexual abuse cases start from CPS cases.
You need to get over your obsession with Kane. He's gone.
Accept it and move on with your life.
>
>> > > While in the second exchange you claim "Depending on the genesis of
>> > > the case, generally it starts with the NYPD and CPS."
>>
>> > WHO MANS THE FUKKKKKKKKKKING HOTLINE Danny boy? Come on evenn the GREAT
>> > ATTORNEY DANNY SULLIVAN isn't THAT stupid.
>
>> I'm sure some percentage of calls go to the CPS hotline, but I'm also
>> sure a substantial number of calls go to the DA's office and the
>> police.
>
>Dan, For MANDATORY REPORTERS, it's habitual
>for them to call Child Protective Services.
It's REQUIRED if they believe there is child abuse.
>
>AND they are indoctrinated to start the "meat grinder"
>based on even the thinnest suspicion that there
>could possibly be child abuse.
Can you cite where they are so indoctrinated?
>Kids can't have a sports injury or fall out of a tree
>anymore without a CPS investigation.
Liar.
By way of example: Number One Son was playing baseball. A pop
fly came down on his head. No CPS/DHS involvement occurred.
>What's even more bizarre is that PROFESSIONALS
>who KNOW that it's a false lead must hand off
>the lead to people who are NOT professionals
>as if they are a higher authority on the issue.
Please cite where this is to be done, unless you're lying.
>
>> > > How can the detectives in the first exchange not be involved until
>> > > after the CPS CW interviews everyone involved and gathers the evidence
>> > > and in the second exchange you claim the case starts with the
>> > > police?
>>
>> > Now DANNY I know how hard it is for a moron like you to follow. Much
>> > depends on how the case comes in. Hotline is one way.Usually then first
>> > contact is with a case worker and factors depending the CW MAY or may not
>> > have a uniformed officer or NYPD detective along.
>>
>> A report of a sexual crime against a child made to CPS and the CW "may
>> not" have an officer or detective along???
>>
>> Is that what you really believe or are you just speculating?
>>
>> > Another avenue is via a
>> > hotpital report, and that too is generally to CPS.
>>
>> NYC doctors "generally" report sex crimes against children to the CPS
>> hotline?
>
>MANDATORY REPORTER LAWS SAY WHAT??
Put in layman's terms: If there is a reasonable belief that abuse
has occurred, the person must report it to the proper agency.
>
>> >< I KNOWs thatr the GREAT
>> > GREAT GREAT GREAT Dan Sullivan (expert among experts) wants 200 DA
>> > detectives to rugh out in their little Yugo cop cars to the scene, but that
>> > is not generally how it works no matter HOW MUCH you want it that way
>> > because "THAT"S THE WAY IT HAPPEND TO" you!!!!
>>
>> Also to other people I'm familiar with in NY.
>
>Dan is one giant anecdote with no PROOF of diddly.
Sort of like your many claims about CPS?
You love to make claims, but seem to run away when asked for
cites.
>
>> Someone else I'm helping right now in NY learned of the alleged crime
>> of sexual abuse of his daughter when the detectives handcuffed him
>
>Unauthorized Practice of Law? Dan?
Where do you get the idea he's practicing law?
I realize you have the intellect of the average fourth grader,
but not even you could justify this stretch.
>
>
>> > >> >> THEY - according to Sullivan do 100% of the investigations and CPS
>> > >> >> doesn't exist!
>> > >> > I never said that.
>> > >> Of course not you just say that 100% is handled by detectives for the
>> > >> District Attorney!!!!!
>> > > I never said that.
>>
>> > Sure you are.
>>
>> Oh, I am???
>>
>> BTW here's what you deleted from my message.
>>
>> ===========
>>
>>
>>
>> > > >> Depending on the genesis of the case, generally it starts with the
>> > > >> NYPD
>> > > >> and CPS.
>>
>> > > > Starts with the NYPD???
>>
>> > > And CPS. Who has the HOTLINE Danny? The DA????
>>
>> > I'm sure calls are made to the DA's office and the police.
>
>Dan, What's the hotline number in NY? What agency operates it?
Probably 911. My guess is the local law enforcement agency for
the county operates it, though it's possible, given the size of the
counties that make up NYC, it could be separate.
>
>> > And if the police get a call regarding the sexual abuse of a child
>> > they notify the specially trained detectives immediately.
>>
>> > > How do child abuse reports come in?
>>
>> > By phone.
>>
>> > > Do hospitals report to the DA's office??
>>
>> > If there's evidence of a crime are you claiming the hospital personnel
>> > call CPS rather than 911?
>>
>> > > Or does CPS say WAIT - we have to get the detectives
>> > > from the DA's office out to investigate..
>
>Mandatory reporter laws say CPS don't they?
It may be different in New York, but as you know, in Iowa,
mandatory reporters contact DHS first, if possible. If, for whatever
reason, DHS can't be contacted, local law enforcement is to be
contacted.
>
>> > In my case the detectives from the DA's office and CPS interviewed my
>> > daughter together about the alleged sexual abuse.
>>
>> > > > That's not what you said before...
>>
>> > > I said CPS and the NYPD would come first IF the case will go to
>> > > prosecution and it is NECESSARY the DA may have one of their detectives look
>> > > for some stuff.
>>
>> > How would CPS and the police know IF a case is going to be prosecuted
>> > until after they started the investigation?
>>
>> > And policemen aren't trained to investigate reports of sexual abuse of
>> > children OR interview the alleged child victims.
>>
>> > That's why there are specially trained detectives.
>>
>> > But YOU claim those specially trained detectives come in "down the
>> > road!!!"
>
>I'd like to know who trains these specially trained detectives!
>What college teaches child sexual abuse investigation?
Presumably it's done by the academy.
>Or is it like the "special training" that caseworkers get,
>2 weeks trained by a moron and then On the Job Training?
Can you cite that this is all the training caseworkers get? I'd
like a credible cite.
>
>> > > > Please explain the discrepancies in your answers, piggy.
>>
>> > > No discrepancies Danny
>>
>> > That's what you'd like people to believe.
>>
>> > But the evidence is plain as day.
>>
>> > "Starts with" and "down the road" are polar opposites.
>>
>> > Please explain, piggy, why you think those quotes from you aren't a
>> > disagreement in terms.
"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
-- GregWhore Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child
abuser.
Message-ID: <35120b16.04011...@posting.google.com>
Kent Wills
Please cite where Dan has been adjudged insane.
If you prefer, you may admit this is another of your alcoholic
lies.
>Mandatory reporters report TO CPS.
>
This may be the case in New York. However, SVU investigates sex
crimes against children, unless the alleged perpetrator is a family
member or legal guardian.
Dan Sullivan
> On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:33:23 GMT, " krp" <krp24...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >"Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote more bullshit in message
SVU investigate ALL sex crimes against children.
Kent Wills
wrote:
>On Jul 5, 11:47 am, Dan Sullivan <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> On Jul 5, 11:31 am, Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > Somtimes the CW is called, sometimes NOT
>> > > > in a criminal case.
>>
>> > According to your old buddy, Kane, sometimes
>> > LAW ENFORCEMENT is called, sometimes not.
>>
>> I don't know that Kane said that.
>
>Do you feel it is a substantive issue?
>
How is your obsession with someone who no longer posts to Usenet a
substantive issue for Dan, or anyone else besides you?
[...]
--
"I am erudite [sic] but not Buckelyesque"
Greg Hanson, Jan 22, 2008
Dan Sullivan
> On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Jul 5, 11:47 am, Dan Sullivan <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >> On Jul 5, 11:31 am, Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > Somtimes the CW is called, sometimes NOT
> >> > > > in a criminal case.
>
> >> > According to your old buddy, Kane, sometimes
> >> > LAW ENFORCEMENT is called, sometimes not.
>
> >> I don't know that Kane said that.
>
> >Do you feel it is a substantive issue?
>
> How is your obsession with someone who no longer posts to Usenet a
> substantive issue for Dan, or anyone else besides you?
greg wants every thread to focus on himself.
He wants to have a discussion about something that might have been
said by someone who hasn't posted here in MONTHS!!
I wonder if greg can post a link to the statement he claims Kane made.
Kent Wills
GregWhore has an unhealthy obsession with Kane.
>
>I wonder if greg can post a link to the statement he claims Kane made.
Unlikely, though time will tell.
--
"I am erudite [sic] but not Buckelyesque"
GregWhore Scott Hanson, Jan 22, 2008
Kent Wills
<dsul...@optonline.net> wrote:
[...]
>> >Mandatory reporters report TO CPS.
>>
>> This may be the case in New York. However, SVU investigates sex
>> crimes against children, unless the alleged perpetrator is a family
>> member or legal guardian.
>
>SVU investigate ALL sex crimes against children.
I misunderstood. I apologize for my error.
--
"Are you my mummy?"
-- The Doctor
Dan Sullivan
> On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 15:38:21 -0700 (PDT), Dan Sullivan
>
>
> [...]
>
> >> >Mandatory reporters report TO CPS.
>
> >> This may be the case in New York. However, SVU investigates sex
> >> crimes against children, unless the alleged perpetrator is a family
> >> member or legal guardian.
>
> >SVU investigate ALL sex crimes against children.
>
> I misunderstood. I apologize for my error.
No need to apologize.
CPS is required to conduct a civil investigation of "any parent or
other person who is legally responsible for a child's care who is
krp
"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> wrote insane bullshit in message
news:01eb3d50-739e-42e7...@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Greegor wrote:
> On Jul 5, 11:47?am, Dan Sullivan <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 11:31 am, Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Somtimes the CW is called, sometimes NOT
> > > > > in a criminal case.
> >
> > > According to your old buddy, Kane, sometimes
> > > LAW ENFORCEMENT is called, sometimes not.
> >
> > I don't know that Kane said that.
>
> Do you feel it is a substantive issue?
Whether you're lying about what Kane supposedly said?
It's a diffierent issue.
Start another thread if you want.
> > But maybe you can tell me under what circumstance you think a CPS case
> > worker or hospital personnel wouldn't report a sexual crime against a
> > child to law enforcement.
>
> Wait!
For what?
Are you going to answer the question?
> Are you saying that CPS called in the DA's investigators
> in your case?
No, you're not, you're attempting to change the subject.
> WHY would they do that?
Because they raised the level of suspected CAN to a crime.
> > > > But you said the CPS CW is there from the start.
> >
> > > The threshhold is much lower for calling in CPS,
> > > so YES. ?And Kane asserted that a lot of criminal
> > > sexual abuse cases start from CPS cases.
> >
> > And a lot would be reported directly to law enforcement because the
> > assailant isn't a relative or friend of the family.
>
> But that's not the point IN YOUR CASE, Dan!
< We aren't talking about my case.
SURE we ARE danny boy. You think EVERY case is like your own CASES.
< The subject is ken pangborn's claim that sex crimes against children
< in NY are investigated by CPS.
If you are going to quote me dipshit, at least do so ACCURATELY. Don't
insert your own SPIN on what I said and set up an elaborate argument against
YOUR SPIN.
krp
>
> > DS > What if the crime doesn't involve a family friend or relative?
> > DS > Then CPS isn't involved at all.
>
> > Dan, WHO makes that determination?
> > Oops!
>
> > CPS!
>
> No, it's the law that makes the distinction... CPS is required to
> conduct the investigation of a "parent or other person legally
> responsible for the child's care who is alleged to have abused or
> neglected such child."
>
> Is that not clear enough for you, greg?
A law can't make a distinction all by itself, Dan!
Somebody has to decide whether or not it applies. Who?
And in YOUR OWN CASE Dan, this definition
would say that your case started with CPS
and NOT the DA's office.
===========
Dan says the ONLY the DA's detective investigate child sexual abuse cases.
The CPS people and NYPD have absolutely NOTHING to do with it. ALL cases are
ONLY done by the DA's office detectives.
krp
You see that dipshit Danny believes and argues that ONLY the DA's office
detectives investigate child sexual abuse cases. He believes that the DA's
office Detectives are the "First Responders" in ALL cases of child sexual
abuse because that was the case in HIS OWN MANY CASES. So in Danny's world
the DA"s office also keeps the REGISTRY for those who are founded for child
abuse.
krp
>> >> >> >> Oh? Then what's the debate here? Are you getting confused again
>> >> >> >> Danny/
>> >> >> >> Too much crack today?
>> >> >> > In the first exchange you were very specific in acknowledging
>> >> >> > "They
>> >> >> > have a poorly trained case worker do the initial investigation of
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > sex crime and some time "down the road" a specially trained
>> >> >> > detective
>> >> >> > steps in and gathers the evidence from the CW?" by responding
>> >> >> > with
>> >> >> > "A
>> >> >> > sad reality Danny. That's why the system is such a MESS."
>>
>> >> >> Regardless of how poorly trained CPS workers ARE, they HAVE the
>> >> >> job!
>>
>> >> > It's CPS' job in NY to investigate sex crimes against children?
>>
>> >> Initially, yes as I understand it.
>>
>> > As YOU understand it???
>> > There's the first major flaw in your contentions.
>> Danny YOU ARE INSANE. Mandatory reporters report TO CPS.
> I'm not insane.
keep telling yourself that.
krp
"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:7e9b4154-3d42-41f5...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
All CRIMES against Children Danny. And WEENIE - SVU is a part of NYPD
and NOT the damn DA's OFFICE!!!!
Dan Sullivan
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote
<<<snip>>>
> < We aren't talking about my case.
>
> SURE we ARE danny boy.
No, the subject is your claim that sex crimes against children in NY
are investigated by CPS.
> You think EVERY case is like your own CASES.
Every sex crime against a child is investigated by law enforcement,
NOT CPS as you claim.
> < The subject is ken pangborn's claim that sex crimes against children
> < in NY are investigated by CPS.
>
> If you are going to quote me dipshit, at least do so ACCURATELY.
I did quote you correctly.
> Don't insert your own SPIN on what I said
> and set up an elaborate argument against YOUR SPIN.
I'll post it again!!!
=====================
In the first exchange you were very specific in acknowledging "They
have a poorly trained case worker do the initial investigation of a
sex crime and some time "down the road" a specially trained detective
steps in and gathers the evidence from the CW?" by responding with
"A sad reality Danny. That's why the system is such a MESS."
And in the first exchange to the question "And when it goes to trial
the CW testifies that he/she did all the preliminary interviews of the
children, parents and alleged perpetrator and gathered the evidence...
and that farther "down the road" the detectives stepped in." you
responded with
"Typical - and many bad cases are lost as a result."
====================
Exact quotes of what I said and exact quotes of your responses,
pangborn.
I'll keep posting this exchange as long as I need to, pangborn.
Dan Sullivan
> "Greegor" <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b9a5508c-957e-4f77...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > > DS > What if the crime doesn't involve a family friend or relative?
> > > DS > Then CPS isn't involved at all.
>
> > > Dan, WHO makes that determination?
> > > Oops!
>
> > > CPS!
>
> > No, it's the law that makes the distinction... CPS is required to
> > conduct the investigation of a "parent or other person legally
> > responsible for the child's care who is alleged to have abused or
> > neglected such child."
>
> > Is that not clear enough for you, greg?
>
> A law can't make a distinction all by itself, Dan!
>
> Somebody has to decide whether or not it applies. Who?
>
> And in YOUR OWN CASE Dan, this definition
> would say that your case started with CPS
> and NOT the DA's office.
> ===========
>
> Dan says the ONLY the DA's detective investigate child sexual abuse cases.
The subject, pangborn, is your claim that sex crimes against children
Dan Sullivan
> "Greegor" <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0de46f56-73ef-4ed7...@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> >G > Dan, For MANDATORY REPORTERS, it's habitual
> > G > for them to call Child Protective Services.
>
> > KRP > Who are they mandated top report TO?
>
> > Aye, There's the rub!
>
> > Dan! In your "puppet bear" case just WHO
> > was the mandatory reporter?
>
> > Who was the initial reporter and why?
>
> > Why did CPS call in the DA's detectives?
>
> You see that dipshit Danny believes and argues that ONLY the DA's office
> detectives investigate child sexual abuse cases.
No, pangborn, the subject is your claim that sex crimes against
children are investigated by CPS.
> He believes that the DA's
> office Detectives are the "First Responders" in ALL cases of child sexual
> abuse because that was the case in HIS OWN MANY CASES. So in Danny's world
> the DA"s office also keeps the REGISTRY for those who are founded for child
> abuse.
ken pangborn's usual smoke and mirror show.
Dan Sullivan
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote in message
The subject, pangborn, is your claim that sex crimes against children
krp
"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> wrote more lies in message
news:40ad74ba-37ea-42b7...@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > DS > What if the crime doesn't involve a family friend or relative?
>> > > DS > Then CPS isn't involved at all.
>>
>> > > Dan, WHO makes that determination?
>> > > Oops!
>>
>> > > CPS!
>>
>> > No, it's the law that makes the distinction... CPS is required to
>> > conduct the investigation of a "parent or other person legally
>> > responsible for the child's care who is alleged to have abused or
>> > neglected such child."
>>
>> > Is that not clear enough for you, greg?
>>
>> A law can't make a distinction all by itself, Dan!
>>
>> Somebody has to decide whether or not it applies. Who?
>>
>> And in YOUR OWN CASE Dan, this definition
>> would say that your case started with CPS
>> and NOT the DA's office.
>> ===========
>>
>> Dan says the ONLY the DA's detective investigate child sexual abuse
>> cases.
>
> The subject, pangborn, is your claim that sex crimes against children
> in NY are investigated by CPS.
No matter how many times you repeat that LIE Danny it will NOT become
the truth. Given that in one answer to Greg you repeated that lie 24 times
it would seem you are getting frantic to divert attention from YOUR OWN
CLAIMS.
THE REAL POSITIONS (at least at the beginning of this flamefest)
KP. Child abuse cases are initially investigated by CPS and NYPD (that means
usually SVU.)
DS. NO - ONLY the DA's office detectives investigate the cases!
So no matter how MANY times you LIE Danny - that isn't what I said. I
was very clear CPS *AND* NYPD. YOU claimed that ONLY the DA's detective
did ANY investigating.
krp
"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> wrote morew bullshit in message
news:1dc77df9-28b9-4f93...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> < We aren't talking about my case.
>>
>> SURE we ARE danny boy.
>
> No, the subject is your claim that sex crimes against children in NY
> are investigated by CPS.
But that's not MY claim Danny it is the spin YOU put on what I said. In
simple English you are LYING your ass off again Sullivan.
>> You think EVERY case is like your own CASES.
> Every sex crime against a child is investigated by law enforcement,
> NOT CPS as you claim.
>
>> < The subject is ken pangborn's claim that sex crimes against children
>> < in NY are investigated by CPS.
>>
>> If you are going to quote me dipshit, at least do so ACCURATELY.
>
> I did quote you correctly.
Uhm NO Danny you did NOT,
>> Don't insert your own SPIN on what I said
>> and set up an elaborate argument against YOUR SPIN.
>
> I'll post it again!!!
I BET NOT.
> =====================
>
> In the first exchange you were very specific in acknowledging "They
> have a poorly trained case worker do the initial investigation of a
> sex crime and some time "down the road" a specially trained detective
> steps in and gathers the evidence from the CW?" by responding with
That ios NOT what *I* said it is what YOU said I said. You were LYING.
You ARE LYING Danny.
> "A sad reality Danny. That's why the system is such a MESS."
>
> And in the first exchange to the question "And when it goes to trial
> the CW testifies that he/she did all the preliminary interviews of the
> children, parents and alleged perpetrator and gathered the evidence...
> and that farther "down the road" the detectives stepped in." you
> responded with
That's NOT what *I* said it is YOUR SPIN on what I said.
> "Typical - and many bad cases are lost as a result."
Danny, meaning that early BAD work done by CPS often hopelessly
contaminates cases.
> ====================
>
> Exact quotes of what I said and exact quotes of your responses,
> pangborn.
>
> I'll keep posting this exchange as long as I need to, pangborn.
Except they are NOT "exact quotes" while you put things in quotation
marks they are NOT what *I* said but what YOU said I said. YOU WERE LYING!
krp
"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> LIED in message
news:1613935b-8882-4f3c...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> > KRP > Who are they mandated top report TO?
>>
>> > Aye, There's the rub!
>>
>> > Dan! In your "puppet bear" case just WHO
>> > was the mandatory reporter?
>>
>> > Who was the initial reporter and why?
>>
>> > Why did CPS call in the DA's detectives?
>>
>> You see that dipshit Danny believes and argues that ONLY the DA's
>> office
>> detectives investigate child sexual abuse cases.
>
> No, pangborn, the subject is your claim that sex crimes against
> children are investigated by CPS.
No matter how MANY times you repeat that LIE Danny - it won't become the
truth so long as I can call it for the LIE it is! That is NOT what *I* said,
it is what YOU say I said. Two very different things. YOU said that
****ONLY*** the DA's office detectives investigates the cases. I said that
CPS and NYPD do, depending on how a new case comes in.
krp
"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> lied his ass off in message
news:f1d3b811-7d0f-46b2...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> >> This may be the case in New York. However, SVU investigates sex
>> >> crimes against children, unless the alleged perpetrator is a family
>> >> member or legal guardian.
>>
>> > SVU investigate ALL sex crimes against children.
>>
>> All CRIMES against Children Danny. And WEENIE - SVU is a part of
>> NYPD
>> and NOT the damn DA's OFFICE!!!!
>
> The subject, pangborn, is your claim that sex crimes against children
> in NY are investigated by CPS.
No matter how many times you repeat that LIE Danny - it will always be a
LIE. I said CPS and NYPD. YOU claimed that **ONLY** the DA's office
detectives investigated the cases because that is what happened to YOU in
your several cases. SO you have NO choice but to hide your error by altering
what I said so you can do your typical smokescreen number.
Dan Sullivan
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote more lies in messagenews:40ad74ba-37ea-42b7...@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> >> > > DS > What if the crime doesn't involve a family friend or relative?
> >> > > DS > Then CPS isn't involved at all.
>
> >> > > Dan, WHO makes that determination?
> >> > > Oops!
>
> >> > > CPS!
>
> >> > No, it's the law that makes the distinction... CPS is required to
> >> > conduct the investigation of a "parent or other person legally
> >> > responsible for the child's care who is alleged to have abused or
> >> > neglected such child."
>
> >> > Is that not clear enough for you, greg?
>
> >> A law can't make a distinction all by itself, Dan!
>
> >> Somebody has to decide whether or not it applies. Who?
>
> >> And in YOUR OWN CASE Dan, this definition
> >> would say that your case started with CPS
> >> and NOT the DA's office.
> >> ===========
>
> >> Dan says the ONLY the DA's detective investigate child sexual abuse
> >> cases.
>
> > The subject, pangborn, is your claim that sex crimes against children
> > in NY are investigated by CPS.
>
> No matter how many times you repeat that LIE Danny it will NOT become
> the truth. Given that in one answer to Greg you repeated that lie 24 times
> it would seem you are getting frantic to divert attention from YOUR OWN
> CLAIMS.
The subject is YOUR claims about who investigates sex crimes against
children.
> THE REAL POSITIONS (at least at the beginning of this flamefest)
>
> KP. Child abuse cases are initially investigated by CPS and NYPD (that means
> usually SVU.)
>
> DS. NO - ONLY the DA's office detectives investigate the cases!
>
> So no matter how MANY times you LIE Danny - that isn't what I said. I
> was very clear CPS *AND* NYPD. YOU claimed that ONLY the DA's detective
> did ANY investigating.
The subject, pangborn, is your claim that sex crimes against children
Dan Sullivan
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> LIED in messagenews:1613935b-8882-4f3c...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >> > KRP > Who are they mandated top report TO?
>
> >> > Aye, There's the rub!
>
> >> > Dan! In your "puppet bear" case just WHO
> >> > was the mandatory reporter?
>
> >> > Who was the initial reporter and why?
>
> >> > Why did CPS call in the DA's detectives?
>
> >> You see that dipshit Danny believes and argues that ONLY the DA's
> >> office
> >> detectives investigate child sexual abuse cases.
>
> > No, pangborn, the subject is your claim that sex crimes against
> > children are investigated by CPS.
>
> No matter how MANY times you repeat that LIE Danny - it won't become the
> truth so long as I can call it for the LIE it is! That is NOT what *I* said,
> it is what YOU say I said. Two very different things. YOU said that
> ****ONLY*** the DA's office detectives investigates the cases.
The subject is your claim that sex crimes against children are
investigated by CPS.
krp
"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> lied in message
news:94f0f5de-b4a9-42e4...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Nope it is YOUR SPIN on my position. But YOU ARE LYING MR. SULLIVAN!
>> THE REAL POSITIONS (at least at the beginning of this flamefest)
>>
>> KP. Child abuse cases are initially investigated by CPS and NYPD (that
>> means
>> usually SVU.)
>>
>> DS. NO - ONLY the DA's office detectives investigate the cases!
>>
>> So no matter how MANY times you LIE Danny - that isn't what I said. I
>> was very clear CPS *AND* NYPD. YOU claimed that ONLY the DA's detective
>> did ANY investigating.
>
> The subject, pangborn, is your claim that sex crimes against children
> in NY are investigated by CPS.
NOT WHAT I SAID - YOU ARE A LIAR!
Dan Sullivan
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> lied his ass off in messagenews:f1d3b811-7d0f-46b2...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> >> This may be the case in New York. However, SVU investigates sex
> >> >> crimes against children, unless the alleged perpetrator is a family
> >> >> member or legal guardian.
>
> >> > SVU investigate ALL sex crimes against children.
>
> >> All CRIMES against Children Danny. And WEENIE - SVU is a part of
> >> NYPD
> >> and NOT the damn DA's OFFICE!!!!
>
> > The subject, pangborn, is your claim that sex crimes against children
> > in NY are investigated by CPS.
>
> No matter how many times you repeat that LIE Danny - it will always be a
> LIE. I said CPS and NYPD.
Only in the second exchange, AFTER you must have realized your answers
in the first exchange made you look like a COMPLETE FOOL!!!!!
> YOU claimed that **ONLY** the DA's office
> detectives investigated the cases because that is what happened to YOU in
> your several cases.
I never had several cases investigated by the detectives from the DA's
office.
I had one.
But that's irrelevant because the subject is your claim that sex
crimes against chidren are investigated by CPS case workers.
> SO you have NO choice but to hide your error by altering
> what I said so you can do your typical smokescreen number.
I didn't alter what you said, pangborn.
I quoted you exactly!!!
krp
>> >> >> This may be the case in New York. However, SVU investigates
>> >> >> sex
>> >> >> crimes against children, unless the alleged perpetrator is a family
>> >> >> member or legal guardian.
>>
>> >> > SVU investigate ALL sex crimes against children.
>>
>> >> All CRIMES against Children Danny. And WEENIE - SVU is a part of
>> >> NYPD
>> >> and NOT the damn DA's OFFICE!!!!
>>
>> > The subject, pangborn, is your claim that sex crimes against children
>> > in NY are investigated by CPS.
>>
>> No matter how many times you repeat that LIE Danny - it will always
>> be a
>> LIE. I said CPS and NYPD.
>
> Only in the second exchange, AFTER you must have realized your answers
> in the first exchange made you look like a COMPLETE FOOL!!!!!
>
>> YOU claimed that **ONLY** the DA's office
>> detectives investigated the cases because that is what happened to YOU in
>> your several cases.
>
> I never had several cases investigated by the detectives from the DA's
> office.
>
> I had one.
But you had at least FIVE CASES Danny.
Dan Sullivan
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net>
>
>
>
> >> >> >> sex
> >> >> >> crimes against children, unless the alleged perpetrator is a family
> >> >> >> member or legal guardian.
>
> >> >> > SVU investigate ALL sex crimes against children.
>
> >> >> All CRIMES against Children Danny. And WEENIE - SVU is a part of
> >> >> NYPD
> >> >> and NOT the damn DA's OFFICE!!!!
>
> >> > The subject, pangborn, is your claim that sex crimes against children
> >> > in NY are investigated by CPS.
>
> >> No matter how many times you repeat that LIE Danny - it will always
> >> be a
> >> LIE. I said CPS and NYPD.
>
> > Only in the second exchange, AFTER you must have realized your answers
> > in the first exchange made you look like a COMPLETE FOOL!!!!!
>
> >> YOU claimed that **ONLY** the DA's office
> >> detectives investigated the cases because that is what happened to YOU in
> >> your several cases.
>
> > I never had several cases investigated by the detectives from the DA's
> > office.
>
> > I had one.
>
> But you had at least FIVE CASES Danny.
No, you are wrong.
I had one case involving detectives from the DA's office.
If you have proof that I'm lying, post it!
Kent Wills
I see the source of my confusion. I thought of the civil
investigation as a criminal one.
Kent Wills
Do you admit that your claim that all sex crimes against children
are investigated by CPS was wrong?
--
"It's attached to a thing called a "WIFE" Betty."
Kenneth Robert Pangborn showing how he views his wife
as an object and NOT a human being.
Message-ID: <KLf2j.31312$9h.4837@trnddc07>
Kent Wills
>
>"Greegor" <Gree...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:b9a5508c-957e-4f77...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > DS > What if the crime doesn't involve a family friend or relative?
>> > DS > Then CPS isn't involved at all.
>>
>> > Dan, WHO makes that determination?
>> > Oops!
>>
>> > CPS!
>>
>> No, it's the law that makes the distinction... CPS is required to
>> conduct the investigation of a "parent or other person legally
>> responsible for the child's care who is alleged to have abused or
>> neglected such child."
>>
>> Is that not clear enough for you, greg?
>
>A law can't make a distinction all by itself, Dan!
>
>Somebody has to decide whether or not it applies. Who?
>
>And in YOUR OWN CASE Dan, this definition
>would say that your case started with CPS
>and NOT the DA's office.
>===========
>
>Dan says the ONLY the DA's detective investigate child sexual abuse cases.
Liar.
>The CPS people and NYPD have absolutely NOTHING to do with it. ALL cases are
>ONLY done by the DA's office detectives.
>
Liar.
"And you RULE OUT that it could be MOORE my biggest
fan and GAY lover."
Kenneth Robert Pangborn, of KRP Consulting and The A-Team, LYING
and claiming David Moore is his gay lover. Message-ID:
<_MlOj.598$pH4.7@trnddc06>
Kent Wills
>
>"Greegor" <Gree...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:0de46f56-73ef-4ed7...@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>>G > Dan, For MANDATORY REPORTERS, it's habitual
>> G > for them to call Child Protective Services.
>>
>> KRP > Who are they mandated top report TO?
>>
>> Aye, There's the rub!
>>
>> Dan! In your "puppet bear" case just WHO
>> was the mandatory reporter?
>>
>> Who was the initial reporter and why?
>>
>> Why did CPS call in the DA's detectives?
>
> You see that dipshit Danny believes and argues that ONLY the DA's office
>detectives investigate child sexual abuse cases.
Please post the MID and/or Google link to the post where he made
such a claim.
If you prefer, you may admit you are lying.
>He believes that the DA's
>office Detectives are the "First Responders" in ALL cases of child sexual
>abuse because that was the case in HIS OWN MANY CASES. So in Danny's world
>the DA"s office also keeps the REGISTRY for those who are founded for child
>abuse.
>
He does? Can you offer a cite for this?
If I were a betting man, I'd put $15,000.00 that you can't. But
at one to one odds, it's kind of pointless.
"3 year old GIRL Kunt."
Kenneth Robert Pangborn, of KRP Consulting and The A-Team,
commenting on a three-year-old girl's vagina.
Message-ID: <78RZj.7110$3j.6866@trnddc05>
Dan Sullivan
Are you enjoying this as much as I am?
:- )))))
krp
"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> ladeled out more bullshit in message
news:6bdd32ab-fe0a-4c22...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> >> >> This may be the case in New York. However, SVU investigates
>> >> >> >> sex
>> >> >> >> crimes against children, unless the alleged perpetrator is a
>> >> >> >> family
> >> >> >> member or legal guardian.
>> >> >> > SVU investigate ALL sex crimes against children.
>> >> >> All CRIMES against Children Danny. And WEENIE - SVU is a part
>> >> >> of NYPD
>> >> >> and NOT the damn DA's OFFICE!!!!
(Except in Danny's DELUSIONAL mind. Then ALL sex crimes are investogated
ONLY by the DA's office detectives.)
>> >> > The subject, pangborn, is your claim that sex crimes against
>> >> > children
> >> > in NY are investigated by CPS.
>
>> >> No matter how many times you repeat that LIE Danny - it will
>> >> always be a
>> >> LIE. I said CPS and NYPD.
And Danny claimed that ONLY the detectives of the DA's office investigated
ALL aspects of sex crimes against children from the start as FIRST
RESPONDERS in 100% of the cases.
>> > Only in the second exchange, AFTER you must have realized your answers
>> > in the first exchange made you look like a COMPLETE FOOL!!!!!
>> >> YOU claimed that **ONLY** the DA's office
>> >> detectives investigated the cases because that is what happened to YOU
>> >> in
>> >> your several cases.
>>
>> > I never had several cases investigated by the detectives from the DA's
>> > office.
>>
>> > I had one.
>>
>> But you had at least FIVE CASES Danny.
> No, you are wrong.
BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION Danny - FIVE CASES against you. Which you claimed
through your BRILLIANT LEGAL manuevers you got changed to UNFOUNDED.
> I had one case involving detectives from the DA's office. If you have
> proof that I'm lying, post it!
Oh Danny- The other 4 were CPS and NYPD? But you said they NEVER have
ANYTHING whatsoever to do with that kind of case that ONLY the DA's
detectives handle the cases and CPS has NOTHING whatever to do with ANY
child abuse case. Pick a lane.
Kent Wills
>
>"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> ladeled out more bullshit in message
>news:6bdd32ab-fe0a-4c22...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> >> >> >> This may be the case in New York. However, SVU investigates
>>> >> >> >> sex
>>> >> >> >> crimes against children, unless the alleged perpetrator is a
>>> >> >> >> family
>> >> >> >> member or legal guardian.
>
>>> >> >> > SVU investigate ALL sex crimes against children.
>
>>> >> >> All CRIMES against Children Danny. And WEENIE - SVU is a part
>>> >> >> of NYPD
>>> >> >> and NOT the damn DA's OFFICE!!!!
>
>(Except in Danny's DELUSIONAL mind. Then ALL sex crimes are investogated
>ONLY by the DA's office detectives.)
>
That's not the claim he made.
>>> >> > The subject, pangborn, is your claim that sex crimes against
>>> >> > children
>> >> > in NY are investigated by CPS.
>>
>>> >> No matter how many times you repeat that LIE Danny - it will
>>> >> always be a
>>> >> LIE. I said CPS and NYPD.
>
>And Danny claimed that ONLY the detectives of the DA's office investigated
>ALL aspects of sex crimes against children from the start as FIRST
>RESPONDERS in 100% of the cases.
Outside of your mental illness you've twice admitted is the result
of your alcoholism, Dan made no such claim.
>
>>> > Only in the second exchange, AFTER you must have realized your answers
>>> > in the first exchange made you look like a COMPLETE FOOL!!!!!
>
>>> >> YOU claimed that **ONLY** the DA's office
>>> >> detectives investigated the cases because that is what happened to YOU
>>> >> in
>>> >> your several cases.
>>>
>>> > I never had several cases investigated by the detectives from the DA's
>>> > office.
>>>
>>> > I had one.
>>>
>>> But you had at least FIVE CASES Danny.
>
>> No, you are wrong.
>
> BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION Danny - FIVE CASES against you. Which you claimed
>through your BRILLIANT LEGAL manuevers you got changed to UNFOUNDED.
Only ONE had the DA's office involved, simpleton. What is the
specific reason you're lying about this?
>
>> I had one case involving detectives from the DA's office. If you have
>> proof that I'm lying, post it!
>
> Oh Danny- The other 4 were CPS and NYPD? But you said they NEVER have
>ANYTHING whatsoever to do with that kind of case that ONLY the DA's
>detectives handle the cases and CPS has NOTHING whatever to do with ANY
>child abuse case. Pick a lane.
>
>
You need to pick a rehab center and a good psychologist. Really.
Me:
>> Outside of your drunken stupor, and the mental illness you have
>> admitted it caused, I'm not a justice.
Kenneth Robert Pangborn:
>NO SHIT SHERLOCK!
Kenneth Robert Pangborn, admitting he's an alcoholic.
See Message-ID: <kjsf449973e8lmqj9...@4ax.com>
Dan Sullivan
investigation of a sex crime and some time "down the road" a specially
trained detective steps in and gathers the evidence from the CW?"
Then ken pangborn responded to that question with "A sad reality
Danny. That's why the system is such a MESS."
Then I wrote "And when it goes to trial the CW testifies that he/she
did all the preliminary interviews of the children, parents and
alleged perpetrator and gathered the evidence... and that farther
"down the road" the detectives stepped in."
And ken pangborn responded to that statement with "Typical - and many
bad cases are lost as a result."
And later ken pangborn explained further "Regardless of how poorly
trained CPS workers ARE, they HAVE the job! I don't much give a shbit
whether the GREAT Dan SUllivan likes it or not. That is a FACT of
life. LIVE WITH IT. I didn't make the rules."
==============
Ken pangborn wrote "Regardless of how poorly trained CPS workers ARE,
they HAVE the job!"
And I asked "It's CPS' job in NY to investigate sex crimes against
children?"
And ken pangborn responded "Initially, yes as I understand it."
===============
On Jul 7, 12:30 am, " krp" <krp24...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote messagenews:6bdd32ab-fe0a-4c22...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> >> >> >> This may be the case in New York. However, SVU investigates
> >> >> >> >> sex
> >> >> >> >> crimes against children, unless the alleged perpetrator is a
> >> >> >> >> family
> > >> >> >> member or legal guardian.
> >> >> >> > SVU investigate ALL sex crimes against children.
> >> >> >> All CRIMES against Children Danny. And WEENIE - SVU is a part
> >> >> >> of NYPD
> >> >> >> and NOT the damn DA's OFFICE!!!!
>
> (Except in Danny's DELUSIONAL mind. Then ALL sex crimes are investogated
> ONLY by the DA's office detectives.)
The subject is your claim that sex crimes against children in NY are
investigated by CPS.
> >> >> > The subject, pangborn, is your claim that sex crimes against
> >> >> > children
> > >> > in NY are investigated by CPS.
>
> >> >> No matter how many times you repeat that LIE Danny - it will
> >> >> always be a
> >> >> LIE. I said CPS and NYPD.
>
> And Danny claimed that ONLY the detectives of the DA's office investigated
> ALL aspects of sex crimes against children from the start as FIRST
> RESPONDERS in 100% of the cases.
The subject is your claim that sex crimes against children in NY are
investigated by CPS.
Stay on topic, pangborn.
> >> > Only in the second exchange, AFTER you must have realized your answers
> >> > in the first exchange made you look like a COMPLETE FOOL!!!!!
> >> >> YOU claimed that **ONLY** the DA's office
> >> >> detectives investigated the cases because that is what happened to YOU
> >> >> in
> >> >> your several cases.
>
> >> > I never had several cases investigated by the detectives from the DA's
> >> > office.
>
> >> > I had one.
>
> >> But you had at least FIVE CASES Danny.
> >
> > No, you are wrong.
>
> BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION Danny - FIVE CASES against you. Which you claimed
> through your BRILLIANT LEGAL manuevers you got changed to UNFOUNDED.
>
> > I had one case involving detectives from the DA's office. If you have
> > proof that I'm lying, post it!
>
> Oh Danny- The other 4 were CPS and NYPD?
No proof, just another attempt on ken pangborn's part to change the
subject.
The subject is ken pangborn's claim that sex crimes against children
in NY are investigated by CPS.
> But you said they NEVER have
> ANYTHING whatsoever to do with that kind of case that ONLY the DA's
> detectives handle the cases and CPS has NOTHING whatever to do with ANY
> child abuse case.
Sex crimes against children are investigated by detectives from the
Special Victims Unit.
Sex crimes are NOT, as you've claimed, pangborn, investigated by CPS.
Sex crimes are prosecuted by the DA's office.
krp
"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> wrote more bullshit in message
news:08cd7ea6-91e8-4fb2...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>I wrote "They have a poorly trained case worker do the initial
> investigation of a sex crime and some time "down the road" a specially
> trained detective steps in and gathers the evidence from the CW?"
Yes Danny YOU wrote 100% of that bullshit.
> Then ken pangborn responded to that question with "A sad reality
> Danny. That's why the system is such a MESS."
Danny are you SERIOUSLY saying that C PS case workers NEVER investigate
child sexual abuse cases? NOT even ONE?
> Then I wrote "And when it goes to trial the CW testifies that he/she
> did all the preliminary interviews of the children, parents and
> alleged perpetrator and gathered the evidence... and that farther
> "down the road" the detectives stepped in."
> And ken pangborn responded to that statement with "Typical - and many
> bad cases are lost as a result."
Yes Danny. CPS has the hotline. And NOT as YOU insanely claim the DA's
office detectives.
> And later ken pangborn explained further "Regardless of how poorly
> trained CPS workers ARE, they HAVE the job! I don't much give a shit
> whether the GREAT Dan Sullivan likes it or not. That is a FACT of
> life. LIVE WITH IT. I didn't make the rules."
> ==============
> Ken pangborn wrote "Regardless of how poorly trained CPS workers ARE,
> they HAVE the job!"
> And I asked "It's CPS' job in NY to investigate sex crimes against
> children?"
> And ken pangborn responded "Initially, yes as I understand it."
CPS has the HOTLINE Danny and NOT the DA's office as YOU KEEP CLAIMING!
Dan Sullivan
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote more bullshit in messagenews:08cd7ea6-91e8-4fb2...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I wrote "They have a poorly trained case worker do the initial
> > investigation of a sex crime and some time "down the road" a specially
> > trained detective steps in and gathers the evidence from the CW?"
>
> Yes Danny YOU wrote 100% of that bullshit.
That was a question, pangborn.
And you posted your agreement with the premise.
See ...
> > Then ken pangborn responded to that question with "A sad reality
> > Danny. That's why the system is such a MESS."
>
> Danny are you SERIOUSLY saying that C PS case workers NEVER investigate
> child sexual abuse cases? NOT even ONE?
The subject is sex CRIMES against children.
Sex crimes against children are investigated by detectives from the
Special Victims Unit.
Sex crimes are NOT, as you've claimed, pangborn, investigated by CPS.
Sex crimes are prosecuted by the DA's office.
> > Then I wrote "And when it goes to trial the CW testifies that he/she
> > did all the preliminary interviews of the children, parents and
> > alleged perpetrator and gathered the evidence... and that farther
> > "down the road" the detectives stepped in."
> >
> > And ken pangborn responded to that statement with "Typical - and many
> > bad cases are lost as a result."
>
> Yes Danny. CPS has the hotline. And NOT as YOU insanely claim the DA's
> office detectives.
CPS is required to conduct a CIVIL investigation of any parent or
other person legally responsible for a child's care who is alleged to
have abused or neglected such child.
The subject is sex CRIMES against children.
> > And later ken pangborn explained further "Regardless of how poorly
> > trained CPS workers ARE, they HAVE the job! I don't much give a shit
> > whether the GREAT Dan Sullivan likes it or not. That is a FACT of
> > life. LIVE WITH IT. I didn't make the rules."
> > ==============
> > Ken pangborn wrote "Regardless of how poorly trained CPS workers ARE,
> > they HAVE the job!"
> > And I asked "It's CPS' job in NY to investigate sex crimes against
> > children?"
> > And ken pangborn responded "Initially, yes as I understand it."
>
> CPS has the HOTLINE Danny and NOT the DA's office as YOU KEEP CLAIMING!
We are talking about CRIMES.
And in NY law enforcement has 911.
And it is the SVU squad that investigates sex CRIMES against children.
krp
"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> wrote more insane crap in message
news:90ac920a-1330-45ca...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>> >I wrote "They have a poorly trained case worker do the initial
>> > investigation of a sex crime and some time "down the road" a specially
>> > trained detective steps in and gathers the evidence from the CW?"
>>
>> Yes Danny YOU wrote 100% of that bullshit.
>
> That was a question, pangborn.
>
> And you posted your agreement with the premise.
You are INSANE!
Greegor
want to deal with the specifics of his own
extra special "puppet bear" case because
they prove he's full of BS.
Dan Sullivan
The SPECIFIC subject is ken pangborn's claim that sex crimes against
children are investigated by CPS case workers.
Greegor
> >> > in a criminal case.
G > According to your old buddy, Kane, sometimes
G > LAW ENFORCEMENT is called, sometimes not.
KW > You need to get over your obsession
KW > with Kane. He's gone.
KW > Accept it and move on with your life.
Attributing a source is now an obsession?
Yikes! <grin>
>> But you said the CPS CW is there from the start.
G > The threshhold is much lower for calling in CPS,
G > so YES. And Kane asserted that a lot of criminal
G > sexual abuse cases start from CPS cases.
KW > You need to get over your obsession with Kane. He's gone.
KW > Accept it and move on with your life.
Attributing a source is now an obsession?
Yikes! <grin>
> >> > > While in the second exchange you claim "Depending on the genesis of
> >> > > the case, generally it starts with the NYPD and CPS."
>
> >> > WHO MANS THE FUKKKKKKKKKKING HOTLINE Danny boy? Come on evenn the GREAT
> >> > ATTORNEY DANNY SULLIVAN isn't THAT stupid.
>
> >> I'm sure some percentage of calls go to the CPS hotline, but I'm also
> >> sure a substantial number of calls go to the DA's office and the
> >> police.
>
> >Dan, For MANDATORY REPORTERS, it's habitual
> >for them to call Child Protective Services.
>
> It's REQUIRED if they believe there is child abuse.
>
>
>
> >AND they are indoctrinated to start the "meat grinder"
> >based on even the thinnest suspicion that there
> >could possibly be child abuse.
>
> Can you cite where they are so indoctrinated?
>
> >Kids can't have a sports injury or fall out of a tree
> >anymore without a CPS investigation.
>
> Liar.
> By way of example: Number One Son was playing baseball. A pop
> fly came down on his head. No CPS/DHS involvement occurred.
>
> >What's even more bizarre is that PROFESSIONALS
> >who KNOW that it's a false lead must hand off
> >the lead to people who are NOT professionals
> >as if they are a higher authority on the issue.
>
> Please cite where this is to be done, unless you're lying.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> > > How can the detectives in the first exchange not be involved until
> >> > > after the CPS CW interviews everyone involved and gathers the evidence
> >> > > and in the second exchange you claim the case starts with the
> >> > > police?
>
> >> > Now DANNY I know how hard it is for a moron like you to follow. Much
> >> > depends on how the case comes in. Hotline is one way.Usually then first
> >> > contact is with a case worker and factors depending the CW MAY or may not
> >> > have a uniformed officer or NYPD detective along.
>
> >> A report of a sexual crime against a child made to CPS and the CW "may
> >> not" have an officer or detective along???
>
> >> Is that what you really believe or are you just speculating?
>
> >> > Another avenue is via a
> >> > hotpital report, and that too is generally to CPS.
>
> >> NYC doctors "generally" report sex crimes against children to the CPS
> >> hotline?
>
G > MANDATORY REPORTER LAWS SAY WHAT??
KW > Put in layman's terms: If there is a
KW > reasonable belief that abuse has
KW > occurred, the person must report
KW > it to the proper agency.
Reasonable belief?
Do you think "reasonable" in this case
is defined by civil rights law, or by
social workers with a political agenda?
What definition of "reasonable" do you think they use?
My impression is that in order to avoid legal liability,
mandatory reporters report damn near anything
where it's even a remote possibility.
Starting the witch hunts.
Presumption of guilt, etc.
> >> >< I KNOWs thatr the GREAT
> >> > GREAT GREAT GREAT Dan Sullivan (expert among experts) wants 200 DA
> >> > detectives to rugh out in their little Yugo cop cars to the scene, but that
> >> > is not generally how it works no matter HOW MUCH you want it that way
> >> > because "THAT"S THE WAY IT HAPPEND TO" you!!!!
>
> >> Also to other people I'm familiar with in NY.
>
> >Dan is one giant anecdote with no PROOF of diddly.
>
> Sort of like your many claims about CPS?
> You love to make claims, but seem to run away when asked for
> cites.
Perhaps if some OTHER
Garage Burglary Felon asked
I might feel more obligated.
> >> Someone else I'm helping right now in NY learned of the alleged crime
> >> of sexual abuse of his daughter when the detectives handcuffed him
>
G > Unauthorized Practice of Law? Dan?
KW > Where do you get the idea he's practicing law?
KW > I realize you have the intellect of the average fourth grader,
KW > but not even you could justify this stretch.
He said he's helping them with a criminal charge case.
In their current situation how is that NOT unauthorized practice of
law?
Kent Wills
wrote:
>> >> > Somtimes the CW is called, sometimes NOT
>> >> > in a criminal case.
>
>G > According to your old buddy, Kane, sometimes
>G > LAW ENFORCEMENT is called, sometimes not.
>
>KW > You need to get over your obsession
>KW > with Kane. He's gone.
>KW > Accept it and move on with your life.
>
>Attributing a source is now an obsession?
>Yikes! <grin>
>
Kane hasn't posted in a LONG time. Yet you were COMPELLED to
mention his nym. Again.
Note that Kane wasn't a part of the discussion until your
obsession forced you to bring him up.
>
>
>
>>> But you said the CPS CW is there from the start.
>
>G > The threshhold is much lower for calling in CPS,
>G > so YES. And Kane asserted that a lot of criminal
>G > sexual abuse cases start from CPS cases.
>
>KW > You need to get over your obsession with Kane. He's gone.
>KW > Accept it and move on with your life.
>
>Attributing a source is now an obsession?
>Yikes! <grin>
>
See above, then see someone about your unhealthy obsession.
>
>> >> > > While in the second exchange you claim "Depending on the genesis of
>> >> > > the case, generally it starts with the NYPD and CPS."
>>
>> >> > WHO MANS THE FUKKKKKKKKKKING HOTLINE Danny boy? Come on evenn the GREAT
>> >> > ATTORNEY DANNY SULLIVAN isn't THAT stupid.
>>
>> >> I'm sure some percentage of calls go to the CPS hotline, but I'm also
>> >> sure a substantial number of calls go to the DA's office and the
>> >> police.
>>
>> >Dan, For MANDATORY REPORTERS, it's habitual
>> >for them to call Child Protective Services.
>>
>> It's REQUIRED if they believe there is child abuse.
>>
>>
>>
>> >AND they are indoctrinated to start the "meat grinder"
>> >based on even the thinnest suspicion that there
>> >could possibly be child abuse.
>>
>> Can you cite where they are so indoctrinated?
>>
>> >Kids can't have a sports injury or fall out of a tree
>> >anymore without a CPS investigation.
>>
>> Liar.
>> By way of example: Number One Son was playing baseball. A pop
>> fly came down on his head. No CPS/DHS involvement occurred.
>>
>> >What's even more bizarre is that PROFESSIONALS
>> >who KNOW that it's a false lead must hand off
>> >the lead to people who are NOT professionals
>> >as if they are a higher authority on the issue.
>>
>> Please cite where this is to be done, unless you're lying.
>>
>>
>>
No cite?
I accept your admitting that you lied.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> > > How can the detectives in the first exchange not be involved until
>> >> > > after the CPS CW interviews everyone involved and gathers the evidence
>> >> > > and in the second exchange you claim the case starts with the
>> >> > > police?
>>
>> >> > Now DANNY I know how hard it is for a moron like you to follow. Much
>> >> > depends on how the case comes in. Hotline is one way.Usually then first
>> >> > contact is with a case worker and factors depending the CW MAY or may not
>> >> > have a uniformed officer or NYPD detective along.
>>
>> >> A report of a sexual crime against a child made to CPS and the CW "may
>> >> not" have an officer or detective along???
>>
>> >> Is that what you really believe or are you just speculating?
>>
>> >> > Another avenue is via a
>> >> > hotpital report, and that too is generally to CPS.
>>
>> >> NYC doctors "generally" report sex crimes against children to the CPS
>> >> hotline?
>>
>G > MANDATORY REPORTER LAWS SAY WHAT??
>
>KW > Put in layman's terms: If there is a
>KW > reasonable belief that abuse has
>KW > occurred, the person must report
>KW > it to the proper agency.
>
>Reasonable belief?
Yes.
Do words with more than two syllables confuse you?
>Do you think "reasonable" in this case
>is defined by civil rights law, or by
>social workers with a political agenda?
>What definition of "reasonable" do you think they use?
The same one any prudent person would. If you can offer evidence,
and I mean REAL evidence, not simply your word, that a different
definition is used, offer it for review.
>
>My impression is that in order to avoid legal liability,
>mandatory reporters report damn near anything
>where it's even a remote possibility.
You also have the impression that stalking people, using the very
definition you used to accuse others of stalking you, is acceptable.
You have MANY odd impressions.
>Starting the witch hunts.
>Presumption of guilt, etc.
It's not the responsibility of the mandatory reporter to determine
guilt or innocence.
Why, exactly, are you deceptively implying it is?
>
>
>> >> >< I KNOWs thatr the GREAT
>> >> > GREAT GREAT GREAT Dan Sullivan (expert among experts) wants 200 DA
>> >> > detectives to rugh out in their little Yugo cop cars to the scene, but that
>> >> > is not generally how it works no matter HOW MUCH you want it that way
>> >> > because "THAT"S THE WAY IT HAPPEND TO" you!!!!
>>
>> >> Also to other people I'm familiar with in NY.
>>
>> >Dan is one giant anecdote with no PROOF of diddly.
>>
>> Sort of like your many claims about CPS?
>> You love to make claims, but seem to run away when asked for
>> cites.
>
>
>Perhaps if some OTHER
>Garage Burglary Felon asked
>I might feel more obligated.
>
Have you changed careers?
I don't recommend burglary. As I understand it, the sentence is
10 years in prison for first degree burglary. Based on my missionary
work in prisons, it doesn't look like a fun place to live.
Of course, you may enjoy it. Different people have different
tastes.
>
>> >> Someone else I'm helping right now in NY learned of the alleged crime
>> >> of sexual abuse of his daughter when the detectives handcuffed him
>>
>G > Unauthorized Practice of Law? Dan?
>
>KW > Where do you get the idea he's practicing law?
>KW > I realize you have the intellect of the average fourth grader,
>KW > but not even you could justify this stretch.
>
>He said he's helping them with a criminal charge case.
Yes.
>In their current situation how is that NOT unauthorized practice of
>law?
In order for your claim about Dan to hold, you MUST claim Kenny-Bob
is doing the same. He offers advice to defendants and is not a
lawyer. By YOUR standards, you see Kenneth Robert Pangborn as coming
the crime of unauthorized practice of law.
How long have you held this view about Ken? Serious question.
http://www.stalkingbehavior.com/definiti.htm
Stalking is defined as "the willful, malicious and repeated
following and harassing of another person" (Meloy, 1998).
By that definition, Mr. Probert, I could claim that
you and others are stalking me.
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krp
"Greegor" <Gree...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dan wants to argue generalities but doesn't
Well Greg this is a typical Dan Sullivan argument. His ORIGINAL CLAIM
was that "ONLY" The DA's office detectives investigated the cases. I
countered that the NYPD did along with CPS. To which Danny got into his
usual semantics and went off into his dementia. NOW he claims that the SVU
does, I wonder if Benson and Stabler handle the cases? Mariska Hargitay is
kind of HOT. Last I checked the sex crimes units were part of the NYPD and
NOT and I repeat for DANNY DUMBSHITT, NOT part of the DA's office
detectives. That's really our only beef here. Danny switched to SVU because
he was so WRONG about the DA's office handling the investigations. NOW he
wants to make it seem that he was saying SVU all along. He's LYING again!
krp
No Danny that is what YOU said I said. I said NYPD and CPS case workers. YOU
said that *ONLY* the DA's office Detective investigated them.
You were full of shit AS USUAL. And Danny the Special Victims Units are part
of the NYPD and NOT the DA's OFFICE!!!!
Dan Sullivan
" krp" <krp2...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Greegor" <Gree...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4facdf20-9d4c-41be...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>> Dan wants to argue generalities but doesn't
>>> want to deal with the specifics of his own
>>> extra special "puppet bear" case because
>>> they prove he's full of BS.
>>
>> The SPECIFIC subject is ken pangborn's claim that sex crimes against
>> children are investigated by CPS case workers.
>
> No Danny that is what YOU said I said. I said NYPD and CPS case workers.
Then explain these statements of yours, pangborn.
You wrote "Regardless of how poorly trained CPS workers ARE, they HAVE the
job!"
And to that exact statement I asked you "It's CPS' job in NY to investigate
sex crimes against children?"
And you responded with "Initially, yes as I understand it."
When I wrote "And when it goes to trial the CW testifies that he/she did all
the preliminary interviews of the children, parents and alleged perpetrator
and gathered the evidence... and that farther "down the road" the detectives
stepped in."
You responded with "Typical - and many bad cases are lost as a result."
krp
"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> wrote more delusional bullshit in
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>>> "Greegor" <Gree...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4facdf20-9d4c-41be...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Dan wants to argue generalities but doesn't
>>>> want to deal with the specifics of his own
>>>> extra special "puppet bear" case because
>>>> they prove he's full of BS.
>
>>> The SPECIFIC subject is ken pangborn's claim that sex crimes against
>>> children are investigated by CPS case workers.
>> No Danny that is what YOU said I said. I said NYPD and CPS case workers.
> Then explain these statements of yours, pangborn.
> You wrote "Regardless of how poorly trained CPS workers ARE, they HAVE the
> job!"
Which they DO. WHO mans the fukkkkking HOTLINE Danny boy? You never
quite seem to answer that? WHO? Where do the calls go to? WHOSE office? ACS
or is it the DA's DETECTIVES as YOU claimed?
> And to that exact statement I asked you "It's CPS' job in NY to
> investigate sex crimes against children?"
YOU ASKED but sipshit don't TRY to make it seem that is what *I* said
again. It's what YOU said.
> And you responded with "Initially, yes as I understand it."
Yes Danny - INITIAL calls are USUALLY handled by CPS because THEY have
the HOTLINE you fukkkking WEENIE! Is that something too complicated for that
last brain cell you have????
> When I wrote "And when it goes to trial the CW testifies that he/she did
> all the preliminary interviews of the children, parents and alleged
> perpetrator and gathered the evidence... and that farther "down the road"
> the detectives stepped in."
> You responded with "Typical - and many bad cases are lost as a result."
Danny READ MY LIPS... IF the CPS case worker actually DID an initial
interview with a child victim, one way or the other they WILL be placed on
the witness stand. A process a WHACKO like you doesn't get. Yes an ADA might
likely not want to call the CW because of their screwups that hopeless
contaminate the cases. But an awake defense lawyer will then call the CW and
expose the contamination. Hey DIPSHIT - do you know what a "TAINT HEARING"
is????? Do you in your VAST VAST VAST VAST legal expertise know what they
are??? Do you have even the MOST REMOTE clue as to what is done in
one???????
Dan Sullivan
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote more delusional bullshit in
> messagenews:4874a50c$0$7356$607e...@cv.net...
>
> >>> "Greegor" <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:4facdf20-9d4c-41be...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> >>>> Dan wants to argue generalities but doesn't
> >>>> want to deal with the specifics of his own
> >>>> extra special "puppet bear" case because
> >>>> they prove he's full of BS.
>
> >>> The SPECIFIC subject is ken pangborn's claim that sex crimes against
> >>> children are investigated by CPS case workers.
> >> No Danny that is what YOU said I said. I said NYPD and CPS case workers.
> > Then explain these statements of yours, pangborn.
> > You wrote "Regardless of how poorly trained CPS workers ARE, they HAVE the
> > job!"
>
> Which they DO. WHO mans the fukkkkking HOTLINE Danny boy? You never
> quite seem to answer that? WHO? Where do the calls go to? WHOSE office? ACS
> or is it the DA's DETECTIVES as YOU claimed?
Reports of crimes go to law enforcement.
And their hotline number is 911.
I've posted this info numerous times.
Even if someone calls the CPS hotline, the report of the crime gets
referred to law enforcement.
Because as the recorded message on the CPS hotline says... law
enforcement responds immediately.
> > And to that exact statement I asked you "It's CPS' job in NY to
> > investigate sex crimes against children?"
>
> YOU ASKED but sipshit don't TRY to make it seem that is what *I* said
> again. It's what YOU said.
I didn't make it seem that you said that.
It starts with "I asked you..."
And YOUR response and agreement with that question is as follows.
> > And you responded with "Initially, yes as I understand it."
>
> Yes Danny - INITIAL calls are USUALLY handled by CPS because THEY have
> the HOTLINE you fukkkking WEENIE! Is that something too complicated for that
> last brain cell you have????
911.
> > When I wrote "And when it goes to trial the CW testifies that he/she did
> > all the preliminary interviews of the children, parents and alleged
> > perpetrator and gathered the evidence... and that farther "down the road"
> > the detectives stepped in."
> > You responded with "Typical - and many bad cases are lost as a result."
>
> Danny READ MY LIPS... IF the CPS case worker actually DID an initial
> interview with a child victim, one way or the other they WILL be placed on
> the witness stand.
What do you mean "if????????"
You claim that's the "typical" way it's done!!
krp
>>
>> >>> "Greegor" <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:4facdf20-9d4c-41be...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>> Dan wants to argue generalities but doesn't
>> >>>> want to deal with the specifics of his own
>> >>>> extra special "puppet bear" case because
>> >>>> they prove he's full of BS.
>>
>> >>> The SPECIFIC subject is ken pangborn's claim that sex crimes against
>> >>> children are investigated by CPS case workers.
>> >> No Danny that is what YOU said I said. I said NYPD and CPS case
>> >> workers.
>> > Then explain these statements of yours, pangborn.
>> > You wrote "Regardless of how poorly trained CPS workers ARE, they HAVE
>> > the
>> > job!"
>>
>> Which they DO. WHO mans the fukkkkking HOTLINE Danny boy? You never
>> quite seem to answer that? WHO? Where do the calls go to? WHOSE office?
>> ACS
>> or is it the DA's DETECTIVES as YOU claimed?
>
> Reports of crimes go to law enforcement.
>
> And their hotline number is 911.
BULLSHIT DANNY! WHY do you LIE l.ike this? WHY DANNY WHY?
The hotline number in new York IS::: 1-800-342-3720
> I've posted this info numerous times.
You have LIED numerous times. You LIE your ass off Sullivan!
> Even if someone calls the CPS hotline, the report of the crime gets
> referred to law enforcement.
CPS and NYPD usually go out together on ititial reports.
> Because as the recorded message on the CPS hotline says... law
> enforcement responds immediately.
Typically WITH a CPS case worker Danny. Sometimes it is SVU and
sometimes a patrol officer. I don;'t knbow anyobody who has an accurate
breakdown what exact percentages there may be.
>> Yes Danny - INITIAL calls are USUALLY handled by CPS because THEY
>> have
>> the HOTLINE you fukkkking WEENIE! Is that something too complicated for
>> that
>> last brain cell you have????
> 911.
Nice job of making more gorilla dust. But the REAL NUMBER is:
1-800-342-3720 And that is the number MANDATED REPORTERS CALL - NOT
9-1-1!
Dan Sullivan
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote in message
Then why does the message on the CPS hotline say "If this is an
emergency, HANG UP AND CALL THE POLICE... they can respond
immediately!?????????????"
> > Because as the recorded message on the CPS hotline says... law
> > enforcement responds immediately.
>
> Typically WITH a CPS case worker Danny. Sometimes it is SVU and
> sometimes a patrol officer. I don;'t knbow anyobody who has an accurate
> breakdown what exact percentages there may be.
If you don't have that information, how can you claim it's "typical?"
Are you claiming that when law enforcement is notified of a sex crime
against a child they "typically" wait for a CPS case worker to make
the first response with them?
Where did you get that information, pangborn?
> >> Yes Danny - INITIAL calls are USUALLY handled by CPS because THEY
> >> have
> >> the HOTLINE you fukkkking WEENIE! Is that something too complicated for
> >> that
> >> last brain cell you have????
> > 911.
>
> Nice job of making more gorilla dust. But the REAL NUMBER is:
> 1-800-342-3720 And that is the number MANDATED REPORTERS CALL - NOT
> 9-1-1!
If a mandated reporter doesn't know to report a sex crime against a
child to the 911 hotline, they will after a single phone call to the
CPS hotline.
krp
Simple answer Danny. I am surprise it doesn't occur to the WORLD'S GREATEST
EXPERT - YOU! That's because if the person is reporting that Clyde is
outside raping little Suzie on the front stoop of their brownstone right
now - they need to get a radio car there right now! Or don't you understand
what an EMERGENCY IS?
Actually LOTS of New Yorkers seemed not to. When little Lisa Steinberg was
being beaten to death NOBODY called 9-1-1 until she was DEAD. Of course
calls were made to the hotline Danny............ WHO investigated the case?
CPS! Tell me again about the GREAT job they did for little Lisa Steinberg. I
want to hear your "EXPERT" opinion Danny on the great job they did.....
WHERE were those DA's detectives Danny?
A saying I have used many times before. Danny you are MORE full of shit than
a Christmas Goose!
Dan Sullivan
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote in message
Are you claiming, pangborn, that when someone reports the rape of a
child to the CPS hotline, the intake worker assumes the molestation is
over, it's not an emergency, and law enforcement doesn't need to
respond immediately?
If the call to the CPS hotline is from hospital personnel because
"little Suzy," the rape victim, is in the emergency room, are you
claiming that CPS and the mandated reporter party will NOT notify law
enforcement.because the rape is over and "little Suzy" is currently
safe?
krp
"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> drunkenly staggered in message
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Here's a CLUE Sullivan. I know you CLAIM to be the FOREMOST EXPERT in
the world, BUT, most SANE people would conclude that if a mandated reporter,
say an ER nurse is making a call that they have 9 year old Suzie in the ER
that the SANE person would conclude that she is NOT likely to be being raped
at the time of the call. EXCEPT in your INSANE world. Then in YOUR world the
doctors might be holding tickets and standing in line for their turns with
Suzie. But that is ONLY is the BIZARE WORLD OF DAN SULLIVAN! Psycho City.
> If the call to the CPS hotline is from hospital personnel because
> "little Suzy," the rape victim, is in the emergency room, are you
> claiming that CPS and the mandated reporter party will NOT notify law
> enforcement.because the rape is over and "little Suzy" is currently
> safe?
Danny you just quoted a SOURCE on the hotline. You REALLY need to make
sure it support the STUPID claims you are making before you quote something
Danny. It was clear that the problem was "IMMEDIATE" what part of the word
"IMMEDIATE" doesn't you last brain cell process Sullivan??
I am not the one making DOGMATIC CLAIMS Sullivan - YOU ARE!