Judge in GA will take LONG LEAVE-investigation continues
Fern5827
May I suggest, also, that this just may be the beginning for Judge Nina
Hickson.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/0104/10hickson.html
Dan Sullivan
"Fern5827" <fern...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Judicial investigation.
>
> http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/0104/10hickson.html
>
> May I suggest, also, that this just may be the beginning for Judge Nina
> Hickson.
More likely... the end.
Anyone can be a child abuser... as the saying goes.
Pete Dessem
Dan Sullivan wrote:
Or not, as the other saying goes, caseworker.
Dan Sullivan
"Pete Dessem" <nos...@spamnot.com> wrote in message
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Work long and hard on that reply?
Greg Hanson
> > Or not, as the other saying goes, caseworker.
> Work long and hard on that reply?
Look at your comment, Dan.
See if you can figure out why the new guy said that.
"Anyone can be a child abuser... as the saying goes."
Can you see why a new guy who's been in here
only a week or two would peg you as a caseworker?
Your bogus pretense as a defender of parents
against CPS just doesn't hold up when you make
comments like that.
Your "Hanging Judge" mentality and twisting is
strikingly familiar to any parents who are
dealing with a Child Protection agency.
You have a need to "run people", manipulate them.
I see this Judge as a Public Relations nightmare
for the CPS agencies and Juvenile Court.
Notice how at first they started whitewashing it?
The public vented their anger about the
Judge who daily stones families to death, yet
the system doesn't want to "cast the first stone"
when the Judge herself proves just how ordinary
such problems can be.
Judge not lest ye BE judged.
Old but wise words.
And exactly why CPS doesn't want a Judge who
knows just how easy it can be to run afoul
of the child abuse laws. No empathy allowed.
Imagine all of the problems with HUMAN failings
that could escape the legalized RAPE that
Juvenile Court usially dishes out?
Bad for the CHILD PROTECTION INDUSTRY racket.
But just what happens if this JUDGE realizes
just what a holocaust of abuses she has been
blithely a part of for years? What if she turns?
What happens if a JUDGE joins up in the fight
against the abuses of FAMILIES by Child Protection
agencies? It's going to happen some day.
It's only a matter of time.
The pipes, the pipes, they are a calling, Danny Boy!
Dan Sullivan
"Greg Hanson" <Gre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > > > Anyone can be a child abuser... as the saying goes.
>
> > > Or not, as the other saying goes, caseworker.
>
> > Work long and hard on that reply?
>
> Look at your comment, Dan.
I did when I wrote it.
> See if you can figure out why the new guy said that.
> "Anyone can be a child abuser... as the saying goes."
The "new guy" has been on this NG longer than me.
(you can make believe you don't know who he is)
And he didn't write "Anyone can be a child abuser... as the saying goes."
I did.
So you're starting your message off on an entirely mistaken premis.
> Can you see why a new guy who's been in here
> only a week or two would peg you as a caseworker?
'Cause I pegged him accurately as a troll.
> Your bogus pretense as a defender of parents
> against CPS just doesn't hold up when you make
> comments like that.
Which comments?
> Your "Hanging Judge" mentality and twisting is
> strikingly familiar to any parents who are
> dealing with a Child Protection agency.
Which "Hanging Judge" mentality exactly?
> You have a need to "run people", manipulate them.
I can't tell you how much your opinion means to me.
> I see this Judge as a Public Relations nightmare
> for the CPS agencies and Juvenile Court.
As do I.
> Notice how at first they started whitewashing it?
Who's "they?"
> The public vented their anger about the
> Judge who daily stones families to death, yet
> the system doesn't want to "cast the first stone"
> when the Judge herself proves just how ordinary
> such problems can be.
I believe it was the police who were gonna let the situation slide... much
the same way they'd let it slide for a fellow police officer.
Now go off on one of your nonsensical rants, Greg.
> Judge not lest ye BE judged.
>
> Old but wise words.
>
> And exactly why CPS doesn't want a Judge who
> knows just how easy it can be to run afoul
> of the child abuse laws. No empathy allowed.
>
> Imagine all of the problems with HUMAN failings
> that could escape the legalized RAPE that
> Juvenile Court usially dishes out?
>
> Bad for the CHILD PROTECTION INDUSTRY racket.
>
> But just what happens if this JUDGE realizes
> just what a holocaust of abuses she has been
> blithely a part of for years? What if she turns?
>
> What happens if a JUDGE joins up in the fight
> against the abuses of FAMILIES by Child Protection
> agencies? It's going to happen some day.
>
> It's only a matter of time.
>
> The pipes, the pipes, they are a calling, Danny Boy!
Put down the bong, Greg.
Kane
wrote:
>> > > Anyone can be a child abuser... as the saying goes.
>
>> > Or not, as the other saying goes, caseworker.
>
>> Work long and hard on that reply?
>
>Look at your comment, Dan.
>See if you can figure out why the new guy said that.
>"Anyone can be a child abuser... as the saying goes."
What "new guy?"
You don't really think we are gullible enough to swallow that, do you?
R R R R. A child could spot who it actually is.
>Can you see why a new guy who's been in here
>only a week or two would peg you as a caseworker?
Dan, a "caseworker??
Well, dog my cats, ol' Dan sure had me fooled. I wonder how popular he
is with his "co caseworkers" in NY state?
>Your bogus pretense as a defender of parents
>against CPS just doesn't hold up when you make
>comments like that.
Yah think he's lyin' about helping all the people he has? Funny
they've posted here and I've had back channel contact. Dan would have
to be terribly clever to fool me that easily.
By the way, what's a "bogus pretense?"
>Your "Hanging Judge" mentality and twisting is
>strikingly familiar to any parents who are
>dealing with a Child Protection agency.
I'm not sure what you are referring to here as our sentence structure,
syntax, is entirely screwed up, but if it's The Judge in GA you're, I
don't recall Dan letting her or CPS off the hook. And as for "the new
guy" R R R R, he's just a troll that hasn't even the talent to do that
very well...unable to keep his story straight and was exposed in a
post or two.
Poor little junior troll.
>You have a need to "run people", manipulate them.
Right out of CPS hands, along with their children taken out of foster
care. Darn that Dan.
YOU feel manipulated, Whore, because he's not letting YOU off the hook
for your vicious treatment of a child, and the stupidity with which
you "helped" the mother trying to get her child back.
That's your problem. I don't recall a single family he's helped ever
saying THEY felt manipulated or in any way negative toward Dan. The
opposite in fact.
>I see this Judge as a Public Relations nightmare
>for the CPS agencies and Juvenile Court.
Why? CPS went after her, did it not? Is the court just letting her off
the hook? What do you want them to do, draw and quarter her and put
her head on a pike in the village square?
The case is going exactly as it should.
>Notice how at first they started whitewashing it?
>The public vented their anger about the
>Judge who daily stones families to death, yet
>the system doesn't want to "cast the first stone"
>when the Judge herself proves just how ordinary
>such problems can be.
Funny. The cops were going to let her go without charges. Now tell us
WHO, Whore, exactly WHO DID GO AFTER HER?
>Judge not lest ye BE judged.
Especially when it comes to spanking little girls then punishing them
with cold showers naked while you watch.
Yah judged. Then yah got judged. So I think you'd be the first person
to heed such a warning.
>Old but wise words.
...From a young whoring gigolo fool.
>And exactly why CPS doesn't want a Judge who
>knows just how easy it can be to run afoul
>of the child abuse laws. No empathy allowed.
The infamous, both sides of the street debating ploy. Congrats. You
are now awarded the Turd of Debate award for lifetime acheivement.
Bad judge, but CPS is not keeping her, but you don't think they
should, but they don't want empathy, so.....and on and on you go you
silly brainless asshole.
By the way, what is the meaning of the word "empathy" Greegor?
Bet you don't know. Narcissists are incapable of it even if it's
described to them.
>Imagine all of the problems with HUMAN failings
>that could escape the legalized RAPE that
>Juvenile Court usially dishes out?
Translation: "Hic"
>Bad for the CHILD PROTECTION INDUSTRY racket.
Ah, the perfect answer for those wishing to help families coming to
these ngs for help. Fight the system. That'll get your kids
back.....dead in a sack.
>But just what happens if this JUDGE realizes
>just what a holocaust of abuses she has been
>blithely a part of for years? What if she turns?
Wow! The Plant Gambit. You are really learning a lot from It.
>What happens if a JUDGE joins up in the fight
>against the abuses of FAMILIES by Child Protection
>agencies? It's going to happen some day.
Are you blind and deaf? Such incidences have already been pointed out
in this ng before. And in fact CPS workers face such judges rather
frequently. And the CPR system, a JUDICIAL ADJUNCT, was created to
oversee and make findings and recommendations on CPS case conduct long
ago...around 1990 as I recall the very first one I was invited to.
>It's only a matter of time.
What's only a matter of time you nattering twit?
>The pipes, the pipes, they are a calling, Danny Boy!
Oh, now that'll put Dan into emotionally twitching and
helplessness...with peels of laughter.
Do you have any idea what a silly little child you are?
You treatment of the little girl and her mother is on a par with a
selfish 8 year old hoggin' desert all to himself in the middle of the
night while everyone else is asleep.
You are a crumbum, a useless piece of shit floating in a gutter.
Get a job, get out of there, apologize to the judge, let the child
come home, asshole.
Kane
bobb
sense of the word. If anything she was irresponsible which in today's
meaning suggests 'neglect'
I am also suprised that the calmer heads in the groups are following the
legions of others in calling for severe sanctions against the judge...
merely, as I see it, because she is a judge.
The judge should be DEFENDED against the actions of CPS and current law that
allows the state to become involved in such a minor infraction of better
judgement.
By demanding treatment as seen reserved for the common folk... loss of her
child and other sanctions... VALIDATES current CPS behaviors and policies.
Many have reported the adverse effect CPS has on children when they target
parents unfairly. Is that not the case here, too? What about the child? Or,
does the child become less important because bringing down a judge ...
regardles of reason .... is far more important?
If those who post here are interested in fair and just treatment by the
state and CPS... of which I am begining to have doubts... then only the
merits of the case should be discussed and not job title.
If this were a common mom I'm sure the views being expressed would be much
different.
bobb
Dan Sullivan
"bobb" <bob...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Pete Dessem" <nos...@spamnot.com> wrote in message
> news:9dff2e4e35656f89...@news.teranews.com...
> >
> > Dan Sullivan wrote:
> >
> > > "Fern5827" <fern...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > news:20040110100032...@mb-m25.aol.com...
> > >
> > >>Judicial investigation.
> > >>
> > >>http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/0104/10hickson.html
> > >>
> > >>May I suggest, also, that this just may be the beginning for Judge
Nina
> > >>Hickson.
> > >
> > > More likely... the end.
> > >
> > > Anyone can be a child abuser... as the saying goes.
> >
> > Or not, as the other saying goes, caseworker.
> >
> Am I missing the point? First of all the judge was not an 'abuser' in any
> sense of the word. If anything she was irresponsible which in today's
> meaning suggests 'neglect'
OK, neglect.
That's not how the saying goes tho.
> I am also suprised that the calmer heads in the groups are following the
> legions of others in calling for severe sanctions against the judge...
> merely, as I see it, because she is a judge.
If any other Ga citizen would be founded for neglect for the same error then
this person deserves no less.
I'm actually happy CPS closed the case without prolonged contact with the
mother and little girl.
I wish it could happen for all the families that deserve it.
Her other problems... because of what she does for a living?
That has nothing to do with CPS.
> The judge should be DEFENDED against the actions of CPS and current law
that
> allows the state to become involved in such a minor infraction of better
> judgement.
CPS closed the case after a few weeks.
And the police were required by law to make the report to CPS.
> By demanding treatment as seen reserved for the common folk... loss of her
> child and other sanctions... VALIDATES current CPS behaviors and policies.
As it was stated in the news story, any child under age 8 left alone for any
reason is a mandatory finding of neglect.
That is THE LAW in Ga.
> Many have reported the adverse effect CPS has on children when they target
> parents unfairly. Is that not the case here, too?
The mother was reported to CPS BY LAW.
And the child was questioned once by CPS if I'm not mistaken.
> What about the child? Or,
> does the child become less important because bringing down a judge ...
> regardles of reason .... is far more important?
CPS has nothing to do with what's happening to the Judge now.
> If those who post here are interested in fair and just treatment by the
> state and CPS... of which I am begining to have doubts... then only the
> merits of the case should be discussed and not job title.
But it's the job title that got this story written up in the media.
> If this were a common mom I'm sure the views being expressed would be much
> different.
Actually if that was the law I'd be happy if CPS did with the common women
what they did for the Judge.
Close the case after a few weeks.
Best, Dan
Kane
wrote:
Gee, bobb, you sure spoiled MY day. Once again I have to apologize to
you. You DO have moments of lucidity. Nice thinking. I have a comment
or two. ....
>
>"Pete Dessem" <nos...@spamnot.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> Dan Sullivan wrote:
>>
>> > "Fern5827" <fern...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > news:20040110100032...@mb-m25.aol.com...
>> >
>> >>Judicial investigation.
>> >>
>> >>http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/0104/10hickson.html
>> >>
>> >>May I suggest, also, that this just may be the beginning for
Judge Nina
>> >>Hickson.
>> >>
>> >
>> > More likely... the end.
>> >
>> > Anyone can be a child abuser... as the saying goes.
>>
>>
>> Or not, as the other saying goes, caseworker.
>>
>Am I missing the point? First of all the judge was not an 'abuser'
in any
>sense of the word. If anything she was irresponsible which in
today's
>meaning suggests 'neglect'
That is dead on accurate.
>I am also suprised that the calmer heads in the groups are following
the
>legions of others in calling for severe sanctions against the
judge...
>merely, as I see it, because she is a judge.
Which "calmer heads" is that? Greegor, The Plant?
And I'm with you on this one.
>The judge should be DEFENDED against the actions of CPS and current
law that
>allows the state to become involved in such a minor infraction of
better
>judgement.
Yep...now before you and your cronies go off ranting and lying once
again that I'm a CPS apologist..follow my thinking closely. It's all
summed up in ONE WORD...that has a legal conatation:
PRECEDENT.
>By demanding treatment as seen reserved for the common folk... loss
of her
>child and other sanctions... VALIDATES current CPS behaviors and
policies.
Georgia is looking at a sacrificial lamb that could change things
dramatically for families in that state. This ONE example could set
the precedent for not only future, but ongoing, and on appeal, PAST
CASES.
Does that not make a true CPS reformer (not the phonies of course that
want families savaged for their gleeful blood dancing) mouth water?
I'd LOVE lot have a family to help in GA after this. LOOOOOVE it. And
any family lawyer worth his or her salt is watching this veeeeery
closely with equal dripping fangs to my own.
Yah see bobb, I get so heartily pissed off at you...more though at The
Plant and cohorts for screwing up such chances to "manage" the system.
Shall I repeat the word? PRECEDENT PRECEDENT PRECEDENT.
Please Georgia, be NIIIIICE to this judge. Let her stay on the bench,
let her keep her daughter..maybe a parenting class or two
(heheheheheh) and then a 18 months supervision in home.
And you assholes (bobb excluded this time) WITH YOUR FUCKING FAMILY
HATING NONSENSE shut the fuck up. Your desire for blood is so obvious
and your stupidity so gross I have to believe you are just malevolent
and evil.
WE HAVE CPS EXACTLY WHERE WE WANT IT IN GA RIGHT NOW...stop trying to
fuck it up.
Now back to bobb...thanks for you patience as I rant, bobb.
Are you beginning to understand where I might be coming from on CPS
matters bobb?
I know they can't be beat by grandeous bullshit fault finding. They
have to be finessed just like other government agencies. Think, think,
think. Please.
Well, you did today. Good for you.
>Many have reported the adverse effect CPS has on children when they
target
>parents unfairly. Is that not the case here, too? What about the
child? Or,
>does the child become less important because bringing down a judge
...
>regardles of reason .... is far more important?
Bingo. The secret or unconscious child haters in the group will of
course be in quite a spot now that you have brought that up bobb.
Facts are facts. Any disruption of family by ANY cause is risky for
the child.
But remember, besides this family staying in tact, the tremendous
precedent being set in GA if this goes well and the judge doesn't fall
under political pressures. Hang her and the state has a perfect excuse
to continue hanging parents.
Get the picture? I sure hope so.
This is the kind of thing I've ranted about for some time here among
the ignorant savages like The Plant (and you on occasion).
>If those who post here are interested in fair and just treatment by
the
>state and CPS... of which I am begining to have doubts... then only
the
>merits of the case should be discussed and not job title.
You would be accurate about your buddies this time, bobb. Waking up,
are you?
While I love "fair and just" I'm also a political animal and I am
having great fun contemplating where this will go if the judge is
treated according to the book.
>If this were a common mom I'm sure the views being expressed would be
much
>different.
Ooooo...you betcha. It would be "the evil state," "the cruel
caseworkers" all over the landscape.
But NOW, there is going to be a precedent set...have I overworked that
word....R R R R R R R R
Happy days for GA famlies.
>
>bobb
>
Kane
Fern5827
Presumably through DCFS or DFACS.
It's kind of like a traffic court judge being given a Lexus by a local
dealership for let's call it goodwill.
How can she rule against DCFS if she was given a irreplaceable treasure--a
healthy child.
The phrase *CONFLICT OF INTEREST* LEAPS OUT TO ME.
descriptors; GEORGIA, HICKSON, FAMILY COURT, ASFA, ADOPTION AND SAFE FAMILIES
ACT, KINSHIP CARE, FOSTER CARE, CPS
Dan & Pete wrote:
>Subject: Re: Judge in GA will take LONG LEAVE-investigation continues
>From: "Dan Sullivan" dsul...@optonline.net
>Date: 1/11/2004 12:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <J3gMb.134330$Cs3.26...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Greg Hanson
and Neglect together so closely that they are virtually
one in the same, the distinction between them, while
it would seem important to most people, is almost
meaningless in terms of the system.
My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example.
Certainly since "CAN" is one big tar baby for every
other family, the Judge should get no special favors
due to her connections.
Yes, Bobb, the HYPOCRISY unveiled when a head Juvie Judge
gets to skate while other families are virtually RAPED
by the system, that WOULD tend to get some attention.
Inequity, favoritism, political "spin" and the like
are not something to shrug off.
Even worse, is that, as Fern has implied, the child
was quite possibly up for adoption for a transgression
considerably less than what the Judge perpetrated.
Which brings up another question:
Why is a FOSTER PARENT, who might indeed have some
strong biases against blood parents, the head Judge
of Juvenile Court there? Why is it that did not
disqualify her, but this experience and the newfound
empathy for human mistakes is not tolerated??
I have noticed that it seems like EVERY time one of
these outrageous HYPOCRISY situations is revealed,
you end up defending the hypocrisy and bemoaning
the people who jeer about it.
This is not a "Two wrong's don't make a right"
situation, and indeed, exposed hypocrisy such as
this is quite illustrative of the corruption in
the system.
Blatant favoritism in prosecutions is corruption.
In Iowa, they tried persecuting every single Mom
if she had a live-in boyfriend/fiance.
The idea steamed right along, into the legislature,
until it was discovered that the same reasoning
that would have condemned that, would apply to
their FRIENDS who provide FOSTER CARE, where BOTH
caretakers are non-related. The hypocrisy of
the caseworkers move was suddenly exposed, and
suddenly came to an end.
I am confused as to why you don't see value in
the issues laid bare by such hypocrisy.
Don't you see how important such exposed and
blatant hypocrisy really is as an agent for
pressure and change?
Don't you see that, Bobb?
bobb
"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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I stand corrected only to the extent that be it either CPS or LAW... neither
should be given authority to exert state control in matters such as this.
>
> > Many have reported the adverse effect CPS has on children when they
target
> > parents unfairly. Is that not the case here, too?
>
> The mother was reported to CPS BY LAW.
>
> And the child was questioned once by CPS if I'm not mistaken.
>
> > What about the child? Or,
> > does the child become less important because bringing down a judge ...
> > regardles of reason .... is far more important?
>
> CPS has nothing to do with what's happening to the Judge now.
>
> > If those who post here are interested in fair and just treatment by the
> > state and CPS... of which I am begining to have doubts... then only
the
> > merits of the case should be discussed and not job title.
>
> But it's the job title that got this story written up in the media.
>
> > If this were a common mom I'm sure the views being expressed would be
much
> > different.
>
> Actually if that was the law I'd be happy if CPS did with the common women
> what they did for the Judge.
>
> Close the case after a few weeks.
>
> Best, Dan
>
> I take care to appreciate you last sentence.
bobb
bobb
stand. My sense of fairness tells me that the judge should not suffer the
indignities of the state any more than a common mom. For those to finally
find an authoritive target and demand equal ( unfair and unreasonable
treatment) justice is wrong.
> This is not a "Two wrong's don't make a right"
> situation, and indeed, exposed hypocrisy such as
> this is quite illustrative of the corruption in
> the system.
>
> Blatant favoritism in prosecutions is corruption.
Yes, one might scream and cry blatant favoritism and the like but let's not
lose sight of the goals here... to have that same treatment extended to
common moms as well. It mattera not that the child is a foster child,
adopted child, or bio-child... the state's authority and that of CPS needs
to be limited.
>
> In Iowa, they tried persecuting every single Mom
> if she had a live-in boyfriend/fiance.
> The idea steamed right along, into the legislature,
> until it was discovered that the same reasoning
> that would have condemned that, would apply to
> their FRIENDS who provide FOSTER CARE, where BOTH
> caretakers are non-related. The hypocrisy of
> the caseworkers move was suddenly exposed, and
> suddenly came to an end.
>
> I am confused as to why you don't see value in
> the issues laid bare by such hypocrisy.
>
> Don't you see how important such exposed and
> blatant hypocrisy really is as an agent for
> pressure and change?
>
> Don't you see that, Bobb?
I guess you'll have to re-read the answer above. If we portend to up-hold
sanctions against the judge it is merely admitting the opposite side of
the hypocrisy you describe are just and fair. I am saying that the judge
was treated like everyone else SHOULD be.
It will be your turn to yell and scream the next time a child is removed
from that common mom under similar circumstances.
bobb
Pete Dessem
Greg Hanson wrote:
;-) Huh? Is half-time over? Any beer left??
bobb
I can only say if someone reads your response to my post... someone is gonna
be mightly confused us.
bobb
bobb
:-)
bobb
Kane
wrote:
Watch Greegor the fat stupid couch creasing child displacing Whore
whine and whine and whine...... about how bad things are for HIM.
>Bobb: Since the laws and the system lump Child Abuse
>and Neglect together so closely that they are virtually
>one in the same, the distinction between them, while
>it would seem important to most people, is almost
>meaningless in terms of the system.
Bullshit. Slightly more children in most states die of NEGLECT than
abuse. Adn there are subsets of abuse that don't each require there
being broken out to DISCUSS the subject.
>My family's case is for Neglect,
You aren't part of the family. You are a hanger on that displaced a
child and has worked diligently to keep her out of the home so you can
SUE.
>but we are treated
>in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
>the Child Abuse registry, for example.
Oh! Sorry, there is no "child neglect registry" dumbass. "Negect" is
a subset of "abuse" for enforcement and investigative purposes...and
for the records.
>Certainly since "CAN" is one big tar baby for every
>other family, the Judge should get no special favors
>due to her connections.
No one is asking for "special favors" fat ass.
>Yes, Bobb, the HYPOCRISY unveiled when a head Juvie Judge
>gets to skate while other families are virtually RAPED
>by the system, that WOULD tend to get some attention.
Please describe how this judge is skating and what YOU think the long
term results might be in child welfare reform in the state of GA.
Go ahead. Wow us!
>Inequity, favoritism, political "spin" and the like
>are not something to shrug off.
>
>Even worse, is that, as Fern has implied, the child
>was quite possibly up for adoption for a transgression
>considerably less than what the Judge perpetrated.
You SAP, The Plant made that up from Its Fertile imagination as a
"what if." Can't you read?
>Which brings up another question:
>
>Why is a FOSTER PARENT, who might indeed have some
>strong biases against blood parents, the head Judge
>of Juvenile Court there? Why is it that did not
>disqualify her, but this experience and the newfound
>empathy for human mistakes is not tolerated??
What ever are you babbling about? Lay off the hookah for the evening
and get back to us.
>I have noticed that it seems like EVERY time one of
>these outrageous HYPOCRISY situations is revealed,
>you end up defending the hypocrisy and bemoaning
>the people who jeer about it.
Bullshit. He hit the nail on the head. And he was far closer to the
mindset and understanding of how to actually reform CPS than you'll be
in your entire lifetime...which I hope the little girl shortens for
you.
>This is not a "Two wrong's don't make a right"
>situation, and indeed, exposed hypocrisy such as
>this is quite illustrative of the corruption in
>the system.
Childish, "it ain't fair <pout>" nonsense. You are stuck at about 8
years old, Pissant.
>Blatant favoritism in prosecutions is corruption.
Show the favoritism. Not all parents that lose their children by
walking away from supervision have CPS in their life, or more than a
perfunctory check out by an investigator.
>In Iowa, they tried persecuting every single Mom
>if she had a live-in boyfriend/fiance.
Does that mean "investigating?" Given the incidence of boyfriends
being perps on their SO's child(ren) I'm not the least surprized.
>The idea steamed right along, into the legislature,
>until it was discovered that the same reasoning
>that would have condemned that, would apply to
>their FRIENDS who provide FOSTER CARE, where BOTH
>caretakers are non-related. The hypocrisy of
>the caseworkers move was suddenly exposed, and
>suddenly came to an end.
Citations please. Should be easy to come up with state legislative
committee minutes, no? Let's see what their thinking was really...like
maybe someone mentioned the constitution of the US, maybe, yah think?
>I am confused as to why you don't see value in
>the issues laid bare by such hypocrisy.
Because you are a child stuck at 8 years old and view the world so
simplistically...wait, I'd say about 6 years old. 8 year olds start
outgrowing that if they haven't been walloped in the butt and other
regions all too much.
>Don't you see how important such exposed and
>blatant hypocrisy really is as an agent for
>pressure and change?
Don't you see how valuable this will be to family lawyers and families
involved with CPS in the future if the judge is handled more
kindly...shit, despite her being wrong I WANT HER TO GET OFF SCOT FREE
SO THAT A FUCKING..................P!R!E!C!D!E!N!T!.........is set,
you mindless fuck.
I'm praying she walks with nothing, or maybe just a little
supervision...then every parent in Georgia that gets reported for
something similar, as GA law requires, GET'S TO SKATE YOU DUMMY.
>Don't you see that, Bobb?
bobb came a fair piece closer than you, stupid.
While bobb and I have been known to <mppphhhh> disagree from time to
time, there are times he hits the nail right on the head. He did this
time.
Everytime you assholes want to hang someone and cut their throats
because of YOUR stupidity, you diminish any real chance of CPS reform,
and you ABSOLUTELY FUCK UP ANY NEW CASELAW COMING ALONG IN FAVOR OF
PARENTS....
Damn you are bunch of mindless stupid twits. I am so glad you are
here....oh, wait. You are the same class of fools I run into at the
statehouse walking around ... most guilty as sin of abusing their
children but in deep denial...just like you....making it HARDER FOR
INNOCENT PARENTS TO GET DOWN TO THE BUSINESS OF GETTING THEIR CHILDREN
BACK.
If ever CPS had a friend out there it would be YOU STUPID FUCKING
IGNORANT ASSHOLES.
Say, do have a nice day in the neighborhood won't you. And now to
change my sweater and put on my outdoor shoes.
By the way, would you tell your fucking idiot Plant friend that Fred
Rogers, yes, that fuckin' Mr. Rogers, a fuckin' ordained minister was
known to use extremely foul fuckin' language from time to time. I've
seen an outtake tape of him trying to set up a camping tent and
oooooohh..the language. And him a minister.
Except for being rather larger I'm very much like Mr. Rogers,
especially with families and children.
With assholes like you family abusers and child haters, and your
exceptional ability to inspire, I'm rather more like Hulk Hogan. Sorry
'bout that.
Kane
Kane
wrote:
>
>"Greg Hanson" <Gre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:35120b16.04011...@posting.google.com...
>> Bobb: Since the laws and the system lump Child Abuse
>> and Neglect together so closely that they are virtually
>> one in the same, the distinction between them, while
>> it would seem important to most people, is almost
>> meaningless in terms of the system.
>>
>> My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
>> in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
>> the Child Abuse registry, for example.
>>
>> Certainly since "CAN" is one big tar baby for every
>> other family, the Judge should get no special favors
>> due to her connections.
>>
>> Yes, Bobb, the HYPOCRISY unveiled when a head Juvie Judge
>> gets to skate while other families are virtually RAPED
>> by the system, that WOULD tend to get some attention.
>>
>> Inequity, favoritism, political "spin" and the like
>> are not something to shrug off.
>>
>> Even worse, is that, as Fern has implied, the child
>> was quite possibly up for adoption for a transgression
>> considerably less than what the Judge perpetrated.
>>
>> Which brings up another question:
>>
>> Why is a FOSTER PARENT, who might indeed have some
>> strong biases against blood parents, the head Judge
>> of Juvenile Court there? Why is it that did not
>> disqualify her, but this experience and the newfound
>> empathy for human mistakes is not tolerated??
>>
>> I have noticed that it seems like EVERY time one of
>> these outrageous HYPOCRISY situations is revealed,
>> you end up defending the hypocrisy and bemoaning
>> the people who jeer about it.
>>
>Actually, that is not true. This is the first time I've taken a such
a
>stand. My sense of fairness tells me that the judge should not
suffer the
>indignities of the state any more than a common mom. For those to
finally
>find an authoritive target and demand equal ( unfair and unreasonable
>treatment) justice is wrong.
>
>> This is not a "Two wrong's don't make a right"
>> situation, and indeed, exposed hypocrisy such as
>> this is quite illustrative of the corruption in
>> the system.
>>
>> Blatant favoritism in prosecutions is corruption.
>
>Yes, one might scream and cry blatant favoritism and the like but
let's not
>lose sight of the goals here... to have that same treatment extended
to
>common moms as well. It mattera not that the child is a foster
child,
>adopted child, or bio-child... the state's authority and that of CPS
needs
>to be limited.
>
>
>
>>
>> In Iowa, they tried persecuting every single Mom
>> if she had a live-in boyfriend/fiance.
>> The idea steamed right along, into the legislature,
>> until it was discovered that the same reasoning
>> that would have condemned that, would apply to
>> their FRIENDS who provide FOSTER CARE, where BOTH
>> caretakers are non-related. The hypocrisy of
>> the caseworkers move was suddenly exposed, and
>> suddenly came to an end.
>>
>> I am confused as to why you don't see value in
>> the issues laid bare by such hypocrisy.
>>
>> Don't you see how important such exposed and
>> blatant hypocrisy really is as an agent for
>> pressure and change?
>>
>> Don't you see that, Bobb?
>
>I guess you'll have to re-read the answer above.
He's waaaaay too busy with him whining fits for today, bobb. Not a
braincell firing except to reach for the hookay pipe.
>If we portend to up-hold
>sanctions against the judge it is merely admitting the opposite side
of
>the hypocrisy you describe are just and fair. I am saying that the
judge
>was treated like everyone else SHOULD be.
>
>It will be your turn to yell and scream the next time a child is
removed
>from that common mom under similar circumstances.
NAILED IT BOBB! Fair and square.
Congrats. You have my hat off to you. Truly.
Could I be getting through to someone in these ngs? I mean besides the
very few, like one, that is already my better as a CPS case
strategist?
Are you gettin' it bobb?
Could others? A Plant? A Whore? A public Doananator? Naw, I don't
expect miracles. R R R R R
>bobb
Good on-yah, bobb.
Kane
Greg Hanson
> Yes, one might scream and cry blatant favoritism
> and the like but let's not lose sight of the goals
> here... to have that same treatment extended to
> common moms as well. It mattera not that the
> child is a foster child, adopted child, or
> bio-child... the state's authority and that of
> CPS needs to be limited.
But why pass up such an opportunity to show that
the emporer is wearing no clothes?
CPS and their familiars HAVE NOT PROVEN SUPERIOR.
The basic presumption that they know better is a crock.
They don't.
And they keep proving that they are no better.
In other words, the basic presumption that allows
them to sit in judgement of parents is a FALSEHOOD.
That was exposed.
> > In Iowa, they tried persecuting every single Mom
> > if she had a live-in boyfriend/fiance.
> > The idea steamed right along, into the legislature,
> > until it was discovered that the same reasoning
> > that would have condemned that, would apply to
> > their FRIENDS who provide FOSTER CARE, where BOTH
> > caretakers are non-related. The hypocrisy of
> > the caseworkers move was suddenly exposed, and
> > suddenly came to an end.
> >
> > I am confused as to why you don't see value in
> > the issues laid bare by such hypocrisy.
> >
> > Don't you see how important such exposed and
> > blatant hypocrisy really is as an agent for
> > pressure and change?
> >
> > Don't you see that, Bobb?
>
> I guess you'll have to re-read the answer above.
> If we portend to up-hold sanctions against the
> judge it is merely admitting the opposite side
> of the hypocrisy you describe are just and fair.
> I am saying that the judge was treated like
> everyone else SHOULD be.
But equal and fair is NOT WHAT HAPPENS, and this
recent revelation exposes that!
Politicians just LOVE the idea of violating privacy
for security, but the day that a Congress critter's
video tape rental history was made public,
suddenly Congress critters voted for protecting
that privacy. Why would Congress want to truly
fix Social Security when they themselves, and their
wives, have VERY GENEROUS Congressional lifetime
benefits? If we don't make those idiots live
under the Social Security rules, they have no
personal incentive to fix the program.
Seeing a big anti liquor politician get busted
for drunk driving is hilarious for ordinary
citizens. We all know that they are liars and
hypocrites, but these moments prove the point.
The FIRST and BEST move to make politicians,
Judges and even caseworkers act responsibly
is to make them accountable to THE SAME RULES
that we are. When it chaps their hide, then
they will fix it. While they are IMMUNE? No.
> It will be your turn to yell and scream the
> next time a child is removed from that
> common mom under similar circumstances.
But BOBB, that circumstance already DOES
happen, quite regularly in fact. Routine.
Naked baby chased cat into yard. REMOVAL.
Giving the Judge this HUGE FAVOR does
nothing to help ordinary parents.
EQUAL is exactly what I'm asking for.
Didn't you KNOW that they have been removing
quite a number of kids each year for just
those circumstances?
Parents sleeping at 4 AM when kid wakes
up and goes for a walk? REMOVAL.
If this Judge was a regular parent the
child would have been removed instantly.
No question about it.
EQUAL is exactly what I want.
Special Favors only enable system players
to LIE to each other about the just system.
Caseworkers should ALL live in fear that
they might make that human mistake and feel
the wrath that THEY DISH OUT.
THAT would give them more empathy.
The BEST Judge would be one who actually
made that human mistake and felt the terrible
pain of the system abuse. Without that,
they are despots, effite snobs who blame "them".
Steven Stark
Greg Hanson wrote:
Well I'll be Gded. So men with no arms CAN play hambone! Just different.
>
bobb
I'm not gonna answer point by point cuz I don't beleive further
clarification would change much thinking. However, the case you point out
did happen.. in the past. If we can demonstrate how foolish it is to
removed the judge's child or even impose sanctions for her moment of
irresponsibility that same arguement might well be used in future.. and
similar incidents.
If the judge loses... so will the public and the common mom. I'd sadden
that so few people can understand the implications of what they ask for. We
should not respond not to the moment but instead for the future.
It's all too easy wanting to see a judge, or anyone of authority for that
matter, pusnished, but with that moment of satisfaction comes future
ramifications that are much more difficult to undo. Be care of what you
wish for.. . you might get it.
bobb
bobb
making....
There was an old man, a boy, and a donkey. They were going to town and it
was decided that the boy should ride.
As they went along they passed some people who thought that it was a shame
for the boy to ride and the old man to walk.
The old man and boy decided that maybe the critics were
right, so they changed positions.
Later, they passed some more people who thought that
it was a real shame for that man to make such a small boy
walk.
The two decided that maybe they both should walk.
Soon they passed some more people who thought that it
was stupid to walk when they had a donkey to ride.
The man and the boy decided maybe the critics were right so, they decided
that they both should ride.
They soon passed other people who thought that it was
a shame to put such a load on a poor little animal.
The old man and the boy decided that maybe the critics were right, so they
decided to carry the donkey.
As they crossed a bridge they lost their grip on the
animal and he fell into the river and drowned.
The moral of the story: If you try to please everyone,
you will eventually lose your ass.
People... choose your group... from the absurd.. to the logical... which one
are you?
bobb
Sherman
http://www.co.fulton.ga.us/departments/juvenile_court_div_T207_R8.html
Sherman.