THEY TOOK MY BABIES...............
Jennifer
2 weeks ago, Dad gave a dirty U.A. I didn't even know that he had
used, until a week later when SCF called us and said that we had to be
at a family meeting that afternoon. Well with all the services that
they are making us do all at once, we really needed a little more
notice than that. We already had an appt. that day that we tried to
cancel, but it had to do with our housing, and we couldn't miss it. Of
course my C.W wasn't happy, but They had known about the dirty U.A at
least a few days prior to this meeting, but gave us no notice. I told
her that we were going to K.Falls for the weekend, because Rick's Mom
was ill and needed our help. She said that we could not leave the
county with the kid's without SCF's permission. I told her that no,
that was not correct, as long as we did not leave the state, we were
well within our rights to go. I even had my Attny. approval. Well
after the meeting that had without us, she called to tell me that Dad
had to move out that night, the kid's could have no contact with him,
unless it was at their office. Well when I found out about the dirty
U.A, that was already my plan. He knew I was going to make him leave,
but after we got back from his mom's. Well SCF says that since I let
the kid's be around him after the dirty U.A, I was failing to protect
them from "threat of harm". We had a nice weekend at his mom's with
the kids, they were so happy. Then on the way home, our car broke down
about 100 miles from home, so we were stuck in a hotel for 3 days
while it got fixed. The day we got back, I called C.W. because I had
heard she wanted to remove the kids, sure enough,, I told her that I
would not allow her to come to my house w/ police to take them, nor
would I take them to her. I ended up taking them myself to the
Foster's house. The same people who took my twins from the hospital.
They are truly wonderful people.
So here we are, waiting out the weekend until the hearing on Monday.
My question is this:
Dad obviously did not use enough for me to even notice, therefore his
parental ability was not impaired, otherwise I would have known, so
how did I "fail to protect", well they said because he had a dirty
U.A, and when I found out about it, (a week later) that by still going
to his mom's and allowing him to be around the kid's that was "threat
of harm".
What they did by taking the kid's away again, is much worse than
anything their father or I could ever do. There was no abuse, neglect,
or possibility of it. But this removal will last a life time on the
kid's. My 4 yr. old is still suffering severly from when they took him
almost 2 yrs. ago.
So I need to know if I have any legal recourse here before going to
court on Monday.
How can this be in the best interests of my children?
Thanks,
Jen
Dan Sullivan
Beg, plead, schmooze, do anything and everything you have to do short of
puttin a few 45s into the head of that moron
You have to convince CPS he is absolute H-I-S-T-O-R-Y in your and your
children's lives.
A closed book!
Completely gone.
You've gotta convince CPS and THEN hope they can see their way clear.
I'm prayin for ya.
You know that.
All the best, Dan
Fern5827
illegal stuff?
Gosh, that means they would have to take millions of kids in the US.
I am very sorry for you, Jen.
Dan Sullivan
Ask your caseworker to help you get a restraining order against the father.
And ask what it is that YOU have to do to retain physical custody of your
kids.
Tell the CW that you'll do absolutely anything they want!!!!!
I don't know if you've been doing UAs for CPS all along but suggest that
they do a hair sample drug test on you immediately to prove that you haven't
been using.
CPS has to believe that the only one that used drugs was the father and that
you knew nothing about his relapse.
You have to join the CPS side in opposition to the father who put you and
the kids back into the sh*t.
It's gotta be you and CPS in concert against the father.
That guy is a terminal disease for your family.
Do not give this guy a break in any way... not even sympathy.
He doesn't deserve it.
You and your kids are always in my prayers.
Best, Dan
sherman
"Jennifer" <BUCK...@MSN.COM> wrote in message
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I'm familiar with your circumstances, having followed your progress. Listen
to Dan.
And get yourself to some Naranon meetings - yourself.
You kids are gone, where is dad now? Has he moved out of the home yet???
If not, he must leave. NOW. Quantifying his drug use won't work. He
cannot abuse illegal substances. At all.
I've witnessed this almost exact scenario go down before and the net result
was permanent removal/tpr. PLEASE do what is required of you. Do NOT
involve yourself in debates over the severity of dad's substance abuse.
Unless it is with a qualified counselor and Naranon meetings.
Regardless of where you are, what is going on, keep in touch with the CW at
all times. Get a cell phone so that there will be no question about this in
the future. Or a beeper. Or a reliable message number with an answering
device.
Know that you, yourself are at risk for relapse at this point in time too
and get support handy.
We're with you to get the children home asap.
Sherman
Jennifer
I know that SCF took my kids as a way to punish me for taking them to
K.falls after they told me I could not leave the county, because they
knew that I was well within my right to do so, and they couldnt do
anything about it.
All the while claiming the best interests of the children, they have
just traumatized my kids to punish me? This is illegeal, immorale, and
it is abuse of my children and I am pissed. I will not let them get
away with this. Not w/ my kids. They are harming them more than I ever
could.
I plan to go into court tommorrow and make them really prove my
failure to protect, while I prove theirs.
Any advice?
Jen
Destroycps!
Jennifer
> I plan to go into court tommorrow and make them really prove my
> failure to protect, while I prove theirs.
> Any advice?
Destroycps!
You know your situation and its personalities better than anyone else. The
fact that you got your kids back the first time is speaks for your
abilities, so I expect you will be able to pull it off again. Be confident.
Dress in your best duds. Get to sleep early. Prepare, but before you go to
bed force yourself to think about something else for a while. I don't have
any other advice.
Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroy dfs!!!!!!!!!!
Dan Sullivan
Did you NOT read what Sherman and I posted?
Or are ya waiting for whatsisname to rise from the dead and tell you to
fight CPS tooth and nail?
Let's evaluate the situation as it stands right now.
CPS has legal AND physical custody of the kids.
That puts THEM in total control.
Right?
YOU have spit... nada... nothing but a bad attitude.
And you want to teach them a lesson?
Yeah, that's gonna get yer kids back.
CPS took the kids because you FAILED to distance yourself and your children
from the fa AFTER you learned that he was caught using drugs AGAIN!!!
That about it?
And AFTER CPS gave you the bad news and told you they needed to see you THAT
DAY not only did you blow off the appointment and stay with the drug user,
you chose to leave the county with him and your children even though CPS
told you not to.
That about it?
So you had yer attnys approval?
You shouldn't have even bothered to ask him.
You knew you should have grabbed all yer kids and left immediately after
hearing what CPS had to say!
Right?
Does that cover it? Do I have something wrong?
You HAVE TO align yourself with CPS against the father.
HE is the bad guy. NOT CPS!!!
Keep in mind CPS has your kids because you and yer SO blew it.
You're NOT gonna get yer children back by calling them names.
Right?
You should be smart enough at this point to know the best tact to take in
this situation all by yourself.
And after doin what you should be doin, you'll STILL need a miracle and a
half to get your kids back.
Good luck.
Dan
Loyal Fan
Jennifer wrote:
> Thanks for your support. And yes, the father is way gone.
> I know that SCF took my kids as a way to punish me for taking them to
> K.falls after they told me I could not leave the county, because they
> knew that I was well within my right to do so, and they couldnt do
> anything about it.
Lest be honest, cps did not want the dad around the kids let alone him
driving the kids around while he has tested positive for drug use.
It really dont matter if you feel it was just a little bit a drugs he
used and so little you couldn't tell he was using.
Fact is, once you use you can always use. Its a battle everyday for the
rest of your life.
Its just to bad this moron dad didnt realize he not only jeopardizes his
well being but he put you and your kids in an awful spot.
> All the while claiming the best interests of the children, they have
> just traumatized my kids to punish me?
Punishment or common sense? Please think about it. The time to act was
exactly when they informed you the dad was using drugs again.
This is illegeal, immorale, and
> it is abuse of my children and I am pissed. I will not let them get
> away with this. Not w/ my kids. They are harming them more than I ever
> could.
Not if the dad wrapped the car around a tree while he was high, with the
kids in the car. God forbid but thats the sad reality of it all.
> I plan to go into court tommorrow and make them really prove my
> failure to protect, while I prove theirs.
All they have to prove is that the dad tested positive for drugs and you
left with him and the kids to travel.
You think they care if his mom was sick and needed him? You think they
care you had plans to do away with his company after the trip?
> Any advice?
Yeah, do what Dan and Sherman told you and you stand a chance of getting
the children back.
I sure hope you do get them back and you keep that imbecile away from
the kids until he get his act together.
> Jen
Chuck
sherman
This is SERIOUS. You have not a thing to prove. Pay attention, if you want
your children to be with you. Go over each and every piece of advice. This
is critical. Jen, please, it can get ugly. The circumstances warrant an
immediate change of attitude by you. NOW.
I'm just a voice in the wilderness, in some faceless cyberspace but - I
know. Your children are subject to losing their parents. It is all up to
you and you alone.
Pay attention. If, IF you have been using yourself, get help immediately
and prove to cps that you have done so. If not, well, you know where to go
for support, or should by now.
The drugs lie.
Don't get caught up in their lie. You stand to lose your children.
Forever.
Sherm.
Dan Sullivan
"Destroycps!" <destr...@email.com> wrote in message
news:uXc6a.12271$Ge.3...@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Jennifer
> > I plan to go into court tommorrow and make them really prove my
> > failure to protect, while I prove theirs.
> > Any advice?
>
> Destroycps!
> You know your situation and its personalities better than anyone else. The
> fact that you got your kids back the first time is speaks for your
> abilities, so I expect you will be able to pull it off again.
Yeah, it was SOOO easy the first time.
I remember it very well.
Jennifer should just be able to snap her fingers and CPS'll send the kids
right back to her no questions asked.
BULL SHIT!!!!
> Be confident.
Be contrite.
Get a restraining order against the fa ASAP. NO waiting.
Copy to the CW. Copy to the judge.
There's no one to blame for this but the fa and Jennifer for not leaving
immediately after hearing that the fa turned in a dirty UA AND for not
heeding the advice of the people who hold the legal custody of her kids.
> Dress in your best duds.
Sack cloth and ashes would be more appropriate.
> Get to sleep early.
If you can sleep after losing your kids AGAIN you shouldn't get them back!
> Prepare, but before you go to
> bed force yourself to think about something else for a while.
If Jennifer is gonna go head to head with CPS in court she should force
herself to think about things like a studio apartment with a futon... a
kitchen table with one chair... quarts of milk not gallons... things like
that.
> I don't have any other advice.
Yo, Nehmo, I'm not pickin on ya but this is more serious shit than the last
time.
First, Jennifer shouldn't be going against CPS at this point.
They went to bat for her to get her kids back before and now she's gonna
blame them for her screwin the whole thing up after she learned of the fa's
dirty UA!
Second, she shouldn't be posting her oppositional/defiant attitude on the
internet.
Everybody at CPS can R-E-A-D!!!
HEY JENNIFER SHUT UP AND DO WHAT YOU KNOW WORKS!!!!
Best, Dan
Jennifer
telling if someone is under the influence and unsafe for my children
to be around. Duh, like I would put them in that situation. Have any
of your children ever been around adults drinking at a bar-b-que? Well
drunks pose a serious risk being around kids right? So I would not let
my kids be exposed to drunks, would you?
I can tell the difference between a safe or unsafe enviroment for my
kids to be
in, and I can quickly tell if my kids are in danger or not.
No I did not blow off the meeting with SCF that day, I had an
appointment with Section 8 that I could not miss, otherwise I would
have lost my housing. They told me on the phone what their plan was
going to be, that dad move out. Well that was my plan when he first
came back home. He knew that, SCF knew that, he's gone. We went to
K.falls together for mom's sake, and the kids, they love their
grandma. I found out about his ua the day before we left. Believe me,
it wasnt a peachy time between us, but we remained civil for the kids
sake.
Nothing happened to my kids, and there was no risk of anything
happening to them
untill we got home and SCF took them. Actually I drove them straight
to the foster's myself. Ya know, my 4 yr. old is still so traumatized
from the time they removed him from my moms for 3 weeks. Thank god the
twins are young enough, thy might not remember. But Trevar, now tell
me please, who just placed my child at risk of harm, actually I'd call
it mental abuse?
And I'm not supposed to have an attitude? This agency abuses it's
power, or authority, and gets away with, at the expense of our kids,
we as their parents are the ones who knows what their best interest
are. I know that no one will or could ever love my kids more than me,
therefore no one could have their best interests at heart, or protect
them better than me.
I will get my kids back once again, but I will not kiss their ass, or
be a push-over, and I wont let them violate any, (not even one) of my
rights, or the rights of my kids.
And if I have to do it all alone, believe me, I will.
As always ,
Jen
sherman
Had you taken care of what you needed to do for the children, they would
very likely not be in the foster care home today.
No doubt, you are sincere in your beliefs. You need to face reality here.
"Right" and wrong on the part of anyone else is not the immediate issue.
The children are not home. That is the immediate issue. Drunks at a picnic
are far removed from your children's fate this morning
Did you watch the special TV show: "The taking of Logan Marr"? This Mother
became defiant and had many a rationale for her behavior. Her child is
dead. And it doesn't matter who, what, when, where or why in the long run.
She did not comply with cps, right or wrong. The child is gone forever.
Your family remained under the supervision of cps. One rule was: "NO
DRUGS". It isn't and wasn't up to you to determine how much was allowable.
NONE. That was the condition. He violated this and you continued to
disregard their direction. Your children are not home this morning.
Fighting a system is not something that you can do right now to bring your
children home. Fighting against their "orders" did not keep them home.
Jen, listen to those who care. Get help. Follow directions. Grow up!
This is what I would tell my own daughter.
Sherm.
"Jennifer" <BUCK...@MSN.COM> wrote in message
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Neal Feldman
Extreme Capitulation.
They yank the kids for no good reason and he supports them completely
and wants you to do the same.
What a surprise... NOT.
Again Gestapo CPS demands you take their word for everything (like there
has never been a false positive on a test, we ARE talking ONE dirty UA
here out of likely many) and again act in utter and complete anti-male
paranoia.
If the guy is using again he should be gone anyway... but now that he is
gone what is the basis for keeping the kids from you?
So called 'failure to protect' is a BS crock they use to just snatch
kids when they cannot show any legitimate basis, and in all honesty by
the vague and broad definitions they use for this they should be taking
95 percent or more of kids into custody! Anything less is purely
selective persecution.
Persecution of the poor, since they almost never take middle income and
virtually never take rich family kids.
Did they take away Michael Jackson's infant for his hanging him out the
window on videotape? Of course not.
Only goes to prove the point.
IMHO you should never have stipulated anything.
Nothing good ever comes of that.
My best wishes go with you.
Neal
Dan Sullivan wrote:
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We will never rest until Gestapo CPS is completely abolished!
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
"Jennifer" <BUCK...@MSN.COM> wrote in message
news:70eef042.03022...@posting.google.com...Thanks for your support. And yes, the father is way gone.
I know that SCF took my kids as a way to punish me for taking them to
K.falls after they told me I could not leave the county, because they
knew that I was well within my right to do so, and they couldnt do
anything about it.
All the while claiming the best interests of the children, they have
just traumatized my kids to punish me? This is illegeal, immorale, and
it is abuse of my children and I am pissed. I will not let them get
away with this. Not w/ my kids. They are harming them more than I ever
could.
I plan to go into court tommorrow and make them really prove my
failure to protect, while I prove theirs.
Any advice?
Did you NOT read what Sherman and I posted?
Or are ya waiting for whatsisname to rise from the dead and tell you to
fight CPS tooth and nail?
Clearly just playing by their rules just plays into their hands. Have you learned nothing from her experience here Delusional Dan?
Let's evaluate the situation as it stands right now.
CPS has legal AND physical custody of the kids.
That puts THEM in total control.
Right?
Delusional Dan advises to just pay the ransom and hope for the best.
YOU have spit... nada... nothing but a bad attitude.
And you want to teach them a lesson?
Yeah, that's gonna get yer kids back.
Father is now out of the house. Done. What else can they possibly reasonably demand? Let her get a restrainning order against him too. Go into court and demand they children now be returned because the 'threat' perceived by Gestapo CPS has been eliminated, thereby eliminating any sane reason for continued removal. Also point out the MYRIAD problems the kids have BECAUSE of removals and how continued separation will only exacerbate such problems. As Jennifer asked... How is this in the 'best interest of the children'?
Clearly it is not.
CPS took the kids because you FAILED to distance yourself and your children
from the fa AFTER you learned that he was caught using drugs AGAIN!!!
This is a simple matter of control... Gestapo CPS told her not to do something she had every right to do and which the kids were looking forward to... so to punish her they ramped up a BS 'failure to protect' after a onesided 'meeting' where she was not present.
This is a 'We will show HER who is boss" action and nothing more. It is clear and obvious on its face.
That about it?
And AFTER CPS gave you the bad news and told you they needed to see you THAT
DAY not only did you blow off the appointment and stay with the drug user,
you chose to leave the county with him and your children even though CPS
told you not to.
That about it?
So you had yer attnys approval?
You shouldn't have even bothered to ask him.
You knew you should have grabbed all yer kids and left immediately after
hearing what CPS had to say!
Right?
Does that cover it? Do I have something wrong?
Once she knew they were going to remove she should have hotfooted it into deepest Montana with new identities she had already created. Vanish completely off the radar.
At least then they would be together... I do hope she can get her kids back but honestly the odds are against her at this point. Insane as their lies are the rubber stamp of their 'very very active partner (of Gestapo CPS)' anti-Family court judge will just look at it as they returned the kids and 'had to' remove again... how she will prove she will never put her kids at a risk that is only a phantom of deception created by Gestapo CPS to punish any who buck their BS is unknown... I do not think such a proof would ever be possible.
At this point best hope is to get a judge who is not as much a 'very very active partner' of Gestapo CPS who will inject a little sanity into the situation.
There are very few of those unfortunately.
You HAVE TO align yourself with CPS against the father.
HE is the bad guy. NOT CPS!!!
Keep in mind CPS has your kids because you and yer SO blew it.
You're NOT gonna get yer children back by calling them names.
Right?
She said present the FACTS... that there was no real reason to remove, that the likely reason for removal was because they told her she could not do something she in fact COULD do and they just wanted to 'get back at her' for such, and showing the clear evidence of harm Gestapo CPS' involvement has caused to her children and continues to cause to the children.
You should be smart enough at this point to know the best tact to take in
this situation all by yourself.
And after doin what you should be doin, you'll STILL need a miracle and a
half to get your kids back.
Good luck.
So if she is hoping for miracles why bend over and let the devil screw her and her kids instead of fighting back with facts, logic and reason?
If one is hoping for a miracle either way, why not hope while fighting back?
Hmmmm?
Neal Feldman
Loyal Fan wrote:
>
>
> Jennifer wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your support. And yes, the father is way gone.
>> I know that SCF took my kids as a way to punish me for taking them to
>> K.falls after they told me I could not leave the county, because they
>> knew that I was well within my right to do so, and they couldnt do
>> anything about it.
>
>
> Lest be honest, cps did not want the dad around the kids let alone him
> driving the kids around while he has tested positive for drug use.
>
> It really dont matter if you feel it was just a little bit a drugs he
> used and so little you couldn't tell he was using.
>
> Fact is, once you use you can always use. Its a battle everyday for
> the rest of your life.
Ah yes... the War on Some Drugs, as with every other attempt at
Prohibition, has proven to be a complete and absolute failure.
They even try and tie it to the popular War on Some Terror and that
proves to only undermine the popularity of the War on Some Terror, doing
nothing to increase support for the War on Some Drugs.
Another aspect of their 'war' (which is only a war on the rights of the
citizens if you really look at the facts) is to punish those who disobey
Big Nanny's edicts by kidnapping their children.
Simply another ratchetting up of the draconian nature of their activities.
History will judge them... and I believe the judgement will be harsh indeed.
After all, those supporting and participating in HUAC thought they were
doing the 'right thing' at the time too.
Neal Feldman
sherman wrote:
I don't think that you're "getting it", Jen.
Had you taken care of what you needed to do for the children, they would
very likely not be in the foster care home today.
<chuckle>
Specifically, Sherman, what is it you claim she did not take care of? Hmmmm?
She is, Sherman. It is clear that you are not.No doubt, you are sincere in your beliefs. You need to face reality here.\
"Right" and wrong on the part of anyone else is not the immediate issue.
The Best Interests of the Child is allegedly what is the issue, and clearly yanking the kids is harmful while Gestapo CPS has not proven that any harm has been done to the kids by their visiting their grandmother.
So the question is which is more important? The Best Interests of the Children, or the overinflated ego of abusive and run amok Gestapo CPS?
The children are not home. That is the immediate issue. Drunks at a picnic
are far removed from your children's fate this morning
What she points out is the selective persecution here.
You bring your kids to a get together where any person is drinking, that person COULD potentially be a risk to them. As such Gestapo CPS, as they have operated here, could justifiably snatch your kids from you for 'failure to protect'. Should they be allowed to do so, Sherman? Answer the question please, yes or no.
Did you watch the special TV show: "The taking of Logan Marr"? This Mother
became defiant and had many a rationale for her behavior. Her child is
dead.
And it doesn't matter who, what, when, where or why in the long run.
She did not comply with cps, right or wrong. The child is gone forever.
But it is absolutely AMAZING to me that some insipid and moronic Gestapo CPS Apologist such as you, Sherman, would take one of the most damning cases AGAINST Gestapo CPS and try and present it as SUPPORTING Gestapo CPS! Absolutely amazing indeed!
Your family remained under the supervision of cps. One rule was: "NO
DRUGS". It isn't and wasn't up to you to determine how much was allowable.
NONE. That was the condition. He violated this and you continued to
disregard their direction. Your children are not home this morning.
Fighting a system is not something that you can do right now to bring your
children home.
This country has nothing to fear from outside enemies of freedom. What we have to fear are the enemies of freedom within this country's borders and within the very government of this nation. Enemies such as Gestapo CPS.
They are what will tear this country apart and utterly destroy it... not some outside force. That much is clearly obvious.
And you wish to give these enemies all the assistance you can. IMHO you are guilty of treason.
Fighting against their "orders" did not keep them home.
Jen, listen to those who care. Get help. Follow directions. Grow up!
<chuckle>
This is what I would tell my own daughter.
Sherm.
sherman
These little ones and this Mother need help. Help that works. Now. And
you find humor in this?
I can safely assume that you are insane and hopefully neither a parent nor a
foster parent. What galaxy are you living in?
I speak with Wisdom. I speak from Experience. I speak with Knowledge. And
Care for the Children, including the Adult Children who ask for and need
help.
Sherm.
"Neal Feldman" <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3E5A39BC...@attbi.com...
> >>K.falls together for mom's sake, and the kids, they love their
Loyal Fan
Neal Feldman wrote:
> As usual, Delusional Dan advises to 'do whatever Gestapo CPS wants'. Mr
> Extreme Capitulation.
Thank God he exists. My child is safe and sound with me and my wife and
no thanks to the trolls who appear now and then like you.
Guess you dont read to well Neal. I think at last count he got 5
children returned last year and mine was the first of this year.
I just received another email from a young lady who got both her
children back because of his sound advice.
Very well done I would say?
>
> They yank the kids for no good reason and he supports them completely
> and wants you to do the same.
>
> What a surprise... NOT.
Yes, what a surprise he tells a woman neck (not ass) deep in cps shit,
that her husband caused, to comply with cps's demands.
But you would have this woman fight. Knowing full well that cps is using
her children as human shields.
Are you the turd who places tobasco sauce on his children's tongues? And
times it?
>
> Again Gestapo CPS demands you take their word for everything (like there
> has never been a false positive on a test, we ARE talking ONE dirty UA
> here out of likely many) and again act in utter and complete anti-male
> paranoia.
And the father went to an independent drug lab to prove different?
Nope. He got busted and he knew it. Never argued the dirty test because
he got busted.
>
> If the guy is using again he should be gone anyway... but now that he is
> gone what is the basis for keeping the kids from you?
If he was using again? You can read cant you? The mother acknowledges he
was using. But so little she couldn't tell. Yeah thats it.
And what the basis for keeping the kids? Well, if you must ask dumb
questions....
Uhmm, because she left with the idiot and the kids? She was informed he
was using again and she went on a long car ride with the guy?
You think he just stopped using when cps busted him? Do you think he had
stopped all along and just did it that one time? Or do you think as soon
as he thought cps was kind of out of his life he fell right back to his
old ways?
Bottom line his kids mean shit to him and his wife and her feelings even
less.
>
> So called 'failure to protect' is a BS crock they use to just snatch
> kids when they cannot show any legitimate basis, and in all honesty by
> the vague and broad definitions they use for this they should be taking
> 95 percent or more of kids into custody! Anything less is purely
> selective persecution.
She could have simply had an order of protection taken out on him until
he got the help and treatment he needed.
The least you can do to keep your kids safe.
>
> Persecution of the poor, since they almost never take middle income and
> virtually never take rich family kids.
I am quite wealthy, didnt stop them in the slightest.
>
> Did they take away Michael Jackson's infant for his hanging him out the
> window on videotape? Of course not.
>
> Only goes to prove the point.
Thats proving your point? You really dont jack shit about much.
>
> IMHO you should never have stipulated anything.
>
> Nothing good ever comes of that.
You, honest? Hehehe, your a funny guy. I did my homework and googled
your posts.
>
> My best wishes go with you.
My best wishes go to her kids. Her best chance is to listen to the likes
of Dan and Sherman. Not a troll who comes out of the woodwork every now
and then.
Chuck
Loyal Fan
Ron
> As usual, Delusional Dan advises to 'do whatever Gestapo CPS wants'. Mr
> Extreme Capitulation.
Well, look what crawled out from under its rock.
Jennifer got her kids back the last time without your ASSistance there
kneal, and if she takes your advice this time she will never get them back.
Leave the lady alone, for once do what is right for a family and crawl back
under that rock, you nitwit.
Ron
Dan Sullivan
>
> Loyal Fan wrote:
> >
> > Jennifer wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for your support. And yes, the father is way gone.
> >> I know that SCF took my kids as a way to punish me for taking them to
> >> K.falls after they told me I could not leave the county, because they
> >> knew that I was well within my right to do so, and they couldnt do
> >> anything about it.
> >
> > Lest be honest, cps did not want the dad around the kids let alone him
> > driving the kids around while he has tested positive for drug use.
> >
> > It really dont matter if you feel it was just a little bit a drugs he
> > used and so little you couldn't tell he was using.
> >
> > Fact is, once you use you can always use. Its a battle everyday for
> > the rest of your life.
Hey neal, why don't you go off on something tangential and take the focus
off what's really going on in Jennifer's case?
> Ah yes... the War on Some Drugs, as with every other attempt at
> Prohibition, has proven to be a complete and absolute failure.
>
> They even try and tie it to the popular War on Some Terror and that
> proves to only undermine the popularity of the War on Some Terror, doing
> nothing to increase support for the War on Some Drugs.
>
> Another aspect of their 'war' (which is only a war on the rights of the
> citizens if you really look at the facts) is to punish those who disobey
> Big Nanny's edicts by kidnapping their children.
>
> Simply another ratchetting up of the draconian nature of their activities.
>
> History will judge them... and I believe the judgement will be harsh
indeed.
>
> After all, those supporting and participating in HUAC thought they were
> doing the 'right thing' at the time too.
I knew you could do it!
Dan
Ron
"Loyal Fan" <nos...@inet.com> wrote in message
news:3E5A4958...@inet.com...
> What are you babbling about now Neal?
The War of Drugs is not popular with the Libertarian crowd. They are of the
opinion that it is ineffective. All I can say is that for every pound of
drugs that is captured by our law enforcement agencies, that is one more
pound off the streets, and not up in smoke, in someone's arm, or up
someone's nose.
Kneal is a Libertarian, and a few other things, but I wont mention them in
polite company.
Ron
Ron
"sherman" <sh...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:qFp6a.218684$SD6.11414@sccrnsc03...
> I don't think that you're "getting it", Jen.
>
> Had you taken care of what you needed to do for the children, they would
> very likely not be in the foster care home today.
>
> No doubt, you are sincere in your beliefs. You need to face reality here.
> "Right" and wrong on the part of anyone else is not the immediate issue.
> The children are not home. That is the immediate issue. Drunks at a
picnic
> are far removed from your children's fate this morning
>
> Did you watch the special TV show: "The taking of Logan Marr"? This
Mother
> became defiant and had many a rationale for her behavior. Her child is
> dead. And it doesn't matter who, what, when, where or why in the long
run.
> She did not comply with cps, right or wrong. The child is gone forever.
>
> Your family remained under the supervision of cps. One rule was: "NO
> DRUGS". It isn't and wasn't up to you to determine how much was
allowable.
> NONE. That was the condition. He violated this and you continued to
> disregard their direction. Your children are not home this morning.
>
> Fighting a system is not something that you can do right now to bring your
> children home. Fighting against their "orders" did not keep them home.
>
> Jen, listen to those who care. Get help. Follow directions. Grow up!
>
> This is what I would tell my own daughter.
>
> Sherm.
Well said Sherm.
Ron
Dan Sullivan
> As usual, Delusional Dan advises to 'do whatever Gestapo CPS wants'. Mr
> Extreme Capitulation.
>
> They yank the kids for no good reason and he supports them completely
> and wants you to do the same.
>
> What a surprise... NOT.
Look who's back.
We can expect a plethora of good advice and logic now.
> Again Gestapo CPS demands you take their word for everything (like there
> has never been a false positive on a test, we ARE talking ONE dirty UA
> here out of likely many) and again act in utter and complete anti-male
> paranoia.
>
> If the guy is using again he should be gone anyway... but now that he is
> gone what is the basis for keeping the kids from you?
>
> So called 'failure to protect' is a BS crock they use to just snatch
> kids when they cannot show any legitimate basis, and in all honesty by
> the vague and broad definitions they use for this they should be taking
> 95 percent or more of kids into custody! Anything less is purely
> selective persecution.
>
> Persecution of the poor, since they almost never take middle income and
> virtually never take rich family kids.
>
> Did they take away Michael Jackson's infant for his hanging him out the
> window on videotape? Of course not.
>
> Only goes to prove the point.
Really?
MJ doing something in Germany and getting away with it PROVES that Oregon
CPS shouldn't have taken Jennifer's children?
How could the Judge argue with that logic?
Can I watch?
Are you gonna call Court TV or shall I?
> IMHO you should never have stipulated anything.
>
> Nothing good ever comes of that.
>
> My best wishes go with you.
Sure... I'll bet you end up telling Jennifer to pack up her kids and go on
the run.
Look how well that advice worked for the Christines.
> Neal
If everyone on OJ's Dream Team took a dump in a bucket it would still come
up with better advice than you, neal.
Stop by anytime.
Dan
Greg Hanson
the mother fought CPS, even though CPS had no
acceptable reason for removing that child.
Jennifer: What drug showed up in the UA?
I personally make a HUGE distinction between
Marijuana and crack/Heroin/Meth.
Are they making a HUGE deal out of POT?
Or were heavier duty drugs in the UA?
How long were you with this guy that you sent away?
Does CPS still work the promiscuity angle?
Loyal Fan
Greg Hanson wrote:
> Ron blamed the death of Logan Marr onto the fact that
> the mother fought CPS, even though CPS had no
> acceptable reason for removing that child.
If they did not have a reason you dont want to give them one. Act out
and you you have given them ample reason to stall, deny, delay, do
whatever they can to drag the heels and dig in.
You do what you have to in order to get the child out as quickly as
possible.
>
> Jennifer: What drug showed up in the UA?
> I personally make a HUGE distinction between
> Marijuana and crack/Heroin/Meth.
Wow, for a person who dont use drugs you have a distinction? How would
you know what the effects are of any unless you have indulged?
>
> Are they making a HUGE deal out of POT?
It is illegal, no? I dont think they jump for joy if one is less the
evil than the other. They are all on the list that will take your
children away.
> Or were heavier duty drugs in the UA?
You just dont get it huh? Drugs is drugs Greggy Pooh.
>
> How long were you with this guy that you sent away?
Getting nervous are you there Ferrous?
>
> Does CPS still work the promiscuity angle?
Getting nervous are you there Ferrous?
Jennifer
You defined my point exactly.
The only abuse of my children is being done by an agency is claiming
to protect them. This is not about doing whatever they want anymore.
THESE ARE MY CHILDRENS RIGHTS, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THEIR MENTAL, AND
EMOTIONAL HEALTH THAT IS BEING ABUSED.
I just got back from the prelim. and what a joke that was. I dont know
I even had to be there, or why it was even done at a court house,
since the whole thing had nothing to do with any laws in the first
place.
SCF's reason for taking my kids was "Parent's unable to comply w/
safety plan"
The judges ruling was this: NONE-NOTHING!!!! She left it up to SCF as
to whether or not to return my kids. No court order for anything. I
told the person who was there to defend me, to tell my lawyer to file
an appeal. They would not even let my 4 yr. old go back to my mother's
where he was placed before. So she stood up and asked the judge for
this, as well as I did, because we both knew it be in his best
interests, the judge left it up to SCF, they stood up and said no,
reason: my mom didnt prevent me from not complying with the safety
plan, meaning she didnt stop me from going to K.Falls.
This is ludicrous. I cant believe you people would not stand up and
fight for your child if they were being abused like this.
I will fight them all till the day I die for what they are doing to my
babies.
In the end, justice will prevail.
Jen
Loyal Fan
Honestly, I spoke with Dan today, he called to check on me, the wife and
the baby. He mentioned you were going to court today, he was hoping for
you and wishing the best for you.
You smack him in the face like this? What wrong with us people? You mean
the ones who have been here and dont crawl out of the woodwork?
Wake up kid, you're asleep at the wheel.
Fight CPS And Win
> the baby. He mentioned you were going to court today, he was hoping for
> you and wishing the best for you.
>
> You smack him in the face like this? What wrong with us people? You mean
> the ones who have been here and dont crawl out of the woodwork?
>
> Wake up kid, you're asleep at the wheel.
>
What are you saying? You think she should sign a service plan or
stipulation instead of fighting for freedom from the system?
Linda
--
Fight CPS And Win
http://www.fightcps.com
Loyal Fan
You need to read the whole story about Jennifer and her troubles with
cps. To brief you....
She got custody of her children back year, Hubby agreed to UA testing.
He came up dirty last week. CPS informed her about the dirty test and
the next day she blew a meeting off with them and left the county with
the husband and children for a visit a few hundred miles away. Against
the case workers request. While she was still on a service plan.
The hubby broke his end of the agreement by using again, she endorsed
his behavior by going with him and taking the children.
Fight the system? She was in the system. She needed to comply with the
system and she would have gotten them off her back.
Did I mention that on this weekend trip, on her return home, the car
broke down and they spent another three days at a motel? She never
called the case worker to tell them what happened.
So they got a family on a service plan, a father who is violating the
plan by using again and mother who is driving around with him with the kids.
Not very smart I would say if you want them to go away.
Whats your opinion?
Fight CPS And Win
I already read the prior messages about what happened.
I think she's doing the right thing to separate from her husband under these
circumstances. He should have put the kids first, before the desire for
drugs. As for the out-of-town trip, as I understood it, she had the legal
right to go out of county. The caseworkers are overreacting. The kids had
the right to see their paternal grandparents again and if dad wasn't acting
crazy then they were never in any real danger, so she isn't failing to
protect.
Jennifer, good luck getting your kids back. I know how devastated you must
be, to have to deal with a CPS abduction and a separation at the same time.
Please email me (linda-at-fightcps.com).
Loyal Fan
Fight CPS And Win wrote:
>>Whats your opinion?
>
>
> I already read the prior messages about what happened.
Well then I guess you didnt read it very well.
>
> I think she's doing the right thing to separate from her husband under these
> circumstances. He should have put the kids first, before the desire for
> drugs. As for the out-of-town trip, as I understood it, she had the legal
> right to go out of county.
The husband was with them when they left on the trip. He tested positive
not more than a day before. How are they supposed to know how much and
how frequently he is using?
Was he high when he was driving down the highway? Sure that might have
run past the caseworker and the judges mind.
The caseworkers are overreacting. The kids had
> the right to see their paternal grandparents again and if dad wasn't acting
> crazy then they were never in any real danger, so she isn't failing to
> protect.
So you need to act crazy to be on drugs? You just cant have a sudden
heart attack after a good toot of cocaine? At a rest stop, in the men's
room?
I am glad we went over all the possibilities because thats exactly what
they have to do when the decide whats best for your children.
Your right she didnt fail to protect, she didnt do anything. She went on
vacation.
Its not like they asked her to come down and have a talk with them?
But she had a plan. It didnt include telling the caseworker until she
came back though. It was to put her husband out. I would put him out
while the car was moving on the highway for jeopardizing my children.
>
> Jennifer, good luck getting your kids back. I know how devastated you must
> be, to have to deal with a CPS abduction and a separation at the same time.
> Please email me (linda-at-fightcps.com).
Sure, maybe you could teach her how to use that word....abduction. That
ought to help her.
Fight CPS And Win
> > I already read the prior messages about what happened.
>
> Well then I guess you didnt read it very well.
>
>
I'm not here to argue.
Loyal Fan
Fight CPS And Win wrote:
sherman
"Fight CPS And Win" <no-spam...@fightcps.com> wrote in message
news:v5m6v0r...@corp.supernews.com...
The Service Plan/ Safety Plan is in force and has been. There is nothing
for her to sign, Linda. It's over. She and the father did not comply with
it. That is simple. the caseworker further ordered her to not remove the
children from her jurisdiction and she defied them. This doesn't work.
Right or wrong does not count. The children are GONE!
Futher, she evidently did not produce any remedial plan for correcting the
problem. Instead, she decided that she herself would determine the what's
and wherefore's of her drugging husband. Not good. Further still, it may
be that she, herself, has relapsed too. It sure sounds like "stinkin'
thinkin'" to me.
Sherm.
Neal Feldman
Loyal Fan wrote:
>
>
> Greg Hanson wrote:
>
>> Ron blamed the death of Logan Marr onto the fact that
>> the mother fought CPS, even though CPS had no
>> acceptable reason for removing that child.
>
>
> If they did not have a reason you dont want to give them one.
What kind of Gestapo CPS Apologist pap is this?
If they had no reason they had no reason... so how does fighting an
illegitimate and unconcionable removal 'give them a reason'?
Explain that one if you can, oh 'Loyal Fan' of Gestapo CPS apparently.
> Act out and you you have given them ample reason to stall, deny,
> delay, do whatever they can to drag the heels and dig in.
You have? How so? Please show the Constitutional basis for your
claim... and how your claim justifies the violation of the
constitutional, civil, human, due process and parental rights of the
parents, children and family.
This ought to be interesting.
> You do what you have to in order to get the child out as quickly as
> possible.
If they ordered you to prostitute yourself would you do so?
If they ordered you to kill your spouse would you do so?
If they ordered you to assassinate the president would you do so?
All of these are just as illegal or immoral of demands as the ones they
do which violate the constitutional, civil, human, due process and
parental rights of the parents, children and family.
I dare you to prove otherwise.
>> Jennifer: What drug showed up in the UA?
>> I personally make a HUGE distinction between
>> Marijuana and crack/Heroin/Meth.
>
>
> Wow, for a person who dont use drugs you have a distinction? How would
> you know what the effects are of any unless you have indulged?
I have never jumped off the top of a skyscraper 80+ stories tall and
landed as gravity would have it on the pavement... but I have a pretty
good idea what the result would be, and that it would in all likelyhood
be quite different than falling off a 6 inch diameter rock.
Your pathetic attempt at an argument is entirely laughable.
There is clearly a difference between Marijuana and Heroin/Meth. Any
sane person would know this. You clearly define yourself here.
>> Are they making a HUGE deal out of POT?
>
>
> It is illegal, no?
So is jaywalking. So do you propose removing the kids of all jaywalkers?
> I dont think they jump for joy if one is less the evil than the other.
> They are all on the list that will take your children away.
The whim of Gestapo CPS goosesteppers is the only list for removal that
exists. You seem to have no problem with that. Why is that?
>> Or were heavier duty drugs in the UA?
>
>
> You just dont get it huh? Drugs is drugs Greggy Pooh.
Yeah right... and 2 and 2 trillion are both numbers so they are equal.
Yeah, anything you say, you Gestapo CPS Apologist nitwit.
Neal Feldman
Loyal Fan wrote:
>
> Honestly, I spoke with Dan today, he called to check on me, the wife
> and the baby. He mentioned you were going to court today, he was
> hoping for you and wishing the best for you.
>
> You smack him in the face like this?
Aw... did she hurt the feelings of a Gestapo CPS Apologist?
GOOD!
> What wrong with us people?
Yes, what is wrong with YOU people, meaning the Gestapo CPS Apologist brood.
> You mean the ones who have been here and dont crawl out of the woodwork?
What the heck ARE you blathering about?
> Wake up kid, you're asleep at the wheel.
No, you are. Clearly so. You are so wrapped up in the divinity of
Gestapo CPS and their Apologist agent Delusional Dan that you refuse to
face the facts.
--
sherman
Have you had children removed from your home?
Are they HOME? With you?
Are you a licensed foster care provider?
Where are your children today?
Sherm.
"Neal Feldman" <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3E5B9BFB...@attbi.com...
Dan Sullivan
>
> Loyal Fan wrote:
>
> > Honestly, I spoke with Dan today, he called to check on me, the wife
> > and the baby. He mentioned you were going to court today, he was
> > hoping for you and wishing the best for you.
> >
> > You smack him in the face like this?
>
> Aw... did she hurt the feelings of a Gestapo CPS Apologist?
>
> GOOD!
Chuck simply asked why Jennifer was "smack(ing)" me in the face.
Nobody said my feelings were hurt.
I just feel bad that Jennifer listened to you and lost her children,
probably for good this time.
But you have a new recruit in your army of losers.
(her "thanks" to YOU was duly noted)
> > What wrong with us people?
>
> Yes, what is wrong with YOU people, meaning the Gestapo CPS Apologist
brood.
You mean Chuck, who never signed a CPS agreement the way YOU DID, neal????
You mean Chuck who's decision to return his child back to him included FULL
LEGAL CUSTODY and no CPS supervision, unlike your case, neal, where CPS kept
legal custody of your children FOR YEARS!!!!
You mean Chuck who's on the phone as we speak explaining to another parent
whose child was removed by CPS how he succeeded in getting his little girl
back?
You mean Chuck who helped me assist a woman from upstate NY in getting her
two kids back from fostercare last year?
You mean THAT Chuck??
> > You mean the ones who have been here and dont crawl out of the woodwork?
>
> What the heck ARE you blathering about?
Chuck is talking about termites like you, neal.
You only see them once in a while because most of the time they're behind
the scene destroying a family structure.
They only pop out to watch the structure collapse and gloat about their
success.
That is YOU, neal.
> > Wake up kid, you're asleep at the wheel.
>
> No, you are. Clearly so. You are so wrapped up in the divinity of
> Gestapo CPS and their Apologist agent Delusional Dan that you refuse to
> face the facts.
The fact is Chuck's attny filed a Motion and forced CPS and the county attny
into court where their case crumbled in front of the Judge... WITH EXTREME
PREJUDICE I believe the Judge wrote in the decision.
Stop by anytime.
Dan
Neal Feldman
Fight CPS And Win wrote:
Dan Sullivan
>
> > Whats your opinion?
>
> I already read the prior messages about what happened.
>
> I think she's doing the right thing to separate from her husband under
these
> circumstances.
No doubt about that.
> He should have put the kids first, before the desire for
> drugs. As for the out-of-town trip, as I understood it, she had the legal
> right to go out of county.
Not after the fa turned in a dirty UA.
At that point she and the fa were not in compliance with the safety plan.
Jennifer knew exactly where she stood with CPS when she got the bad news.
> The caseworkers are overreacting.
The CW told Jennifer she had to attend a meeting and that she could be part
of a new decision regarding her children.
Jennifer chose to do something else.
The fa could have gone to the Section 8 meeting while Jen and the kids went
to CPS.
True?
> The kids had
> the right to see their paternal grandparents again and if dad wasn't
acting
> crazy then they were never in any real danger, so she isn't failing to
> protect.
If the fa shot up some smack and nodded out for three days would the defense
be that he couldn't have endangered the children because he was asleep?
Or if he used meth and spent three days trimming the lawn with a nail
clippers while the kids were in the house would that prove he didn't
endanger the kids because he was outside and they were in?
Or is the only thing that mattered the fact that he had a dirty UA?
CPS has legal custody and the fa got caught using meth.
Those are the facts.
And in spite of knowing those facts Jennifer left the county WITH THE DRUG
OFFENDER and her children after CPS told her not to go.
Wouldn't the next logical step have been for Jennifer to take a UA?
That's what I would have had her do.
Prove that she was part of the solution, NOT part of the problem.
I find it very suspicious that Jennifer would leave for what? 5 days? and I
want her to KEEP her kids.
> Jennifer, good luck getting your kids back.
I'm in complete agreement with you, Linda.
Please call yer CW ASAP, Jen.
Best, Dan
Dan Sullivan
> As usual, Delusional Dan advises to 'do whatever Gestapo CPS wants'. Mr
> Extreme Capitulation.
The termite speaks.
> They yank the kids for no good reason
CPS removed the children because their parents were no longer in
compliance with the safety plan.
> and he supports them completely
> and wants you to do the same.
I just want Jennifer to take the road of greatest success.
> What a surprise... NOT.
>
> Again Gestapo CPS demands you take their word for everything (like there
> has never been a false positive on a test, we ARE talking ONE dirty UA
> here out of likely many) and again act in utter and complete anti-male
> paranoia.
Jennifer never claimed the test was a false positive.
She did say she believed he only used a small amount.
Spit the sawdust out of yer mouth and try something else, neal.
> If the guy is using again he should be gone anyway... but now that he is
> gone what is the basis for keeping the kids from you?
The failure to comply with the safety plan and the fact that she took
off WITH the offender and the children in spite of being told not to
go...
Can't termites read?
> So called 'failure to protect' is a BS crock they use to just snatch
> kids when they cannot show any legitimate basis, and in all honesty by
> the vague and broad definitions they use for this they should be taking
> 95 percent or more of kids into custody! Anything less is purely
> selective persecution.
Every termite has an opinion.
> Persecution of the poor, since they almost never take middle income and
> virtually never take rich family kids.
Can you prove that statement? "Virtually never?"
> Did they take away Michael Jackson's infant for his hanging him out the
> window on videotape? Of course not.
Let's see, that happened in Germany and MJ lives in California... how
and why would Oregon CPS remove MJ's kid?
> Only goes to prove the point.
>
> IMHO you should never have stipulated anything.
>
> Nothing good ever comes of that.
Nothing good ever comes when CPS tells a parent that they no longer
are in compliance with their safety plan and the parent choses to defy
CPS' instructions about what to do with the children.
> My best wishes go with you.
Yeah right, Jennifer, neal just wants you to join the termite brigade.
Call yer CW.
Dan
Dan Sullivan
> Dan Sullivan wrote:
>
> >"Jennifer" <BUCK...@MSN.COM> wrote in message
> >news:70eef042.03022...@posting.google.com...
> >
> >>I know that SCF took my kids as a way to punish me for taking them to
> >>K.falls after they told me I could not leave the county, because they
> >>knew that I was well within my right to do so, and they couldnt do
> >>anything about it.
> >>just traumatized my kids to punish me? This is illegeal, immorale, and
> >>it is abuse of my children and I am pissed. I will not let them get
> >>away with this. Not w/ my kids. They are harming them more than I ever
> >>could.
> >>I plan to go into court tommorrow and make them really prove my
> >>failure to protect, while I prove theirs.
> >>Any advice?
> >>
> >
> >Did you NOT read what Sherman and I posted?
> >
> Do whatever Gestapo CPS wants... that what you said.
At this point Jennifer doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Notice she said she was gonna "prove" CPS' failure to protect and then
she comes back from court and says that she "didn't know why I even
had to be there."
IOW she didn't get to say anything.
The next time she goes to court if she blows up fighting for her
rights and pointing her finger at CPS like you want her to do, they
don't have to say a word.
TPR.
CPS knows that.
They're gonna let her sink her own ship (thanks to you).
> Dry up and blow
> away and sign papers giving up her parental rights is all Gestapo CPS
> wants, Delusional Dan.
That's what you want too, neal.
ALL yer advice sends her in that direction.
> >Or are ya waiting for whatsisname to rise from the dead and tell you to
> >fight CPS tooth and nail?
> >
> Rise from the dead, Delusional Dan? I am not dead.
Why yer kids haven't killed you yet, I have no idea.
> I enter when I wish
> to. But I do find your constant insane ravings to be quite amusing.
I found the fact that your own father whipped you throughout your
childhood with a belt hard enough to cause "bleeding welts" amusing
too.
It explains so much about you.
And why you treat your girls the way you do.
Are ya still buying them used underwear at yard sales?
Have ya given up on the red pepper punishment?
> Clearly just playing by their rules just plays into their hands.
Last year when Jennifer complied with the reunification plan she did
get her children back. It's only after she became non-compliant and
defied CPS' instructions regarding the children that she doesn't like
what they are doing to her.
> Have
> you learned nothing from her experience here Delusional Dan?
Sure, when Jennifer complied with CPS' reunification plan she got her
children back from FC.
When she ceased to comply with CPS' rules (and took YOUR advice) she
lost her children for a second time and can't get them back because
her response was the opposite of what it was before.
That about it?
> >Let's evaluate the situation as it stands right now.
> >
> >CPS has legal AND physical custody of the kids.
> >
> >That puts THEM in total control.
> >
> >Right?
> >
> Just like any kidnapping extortionists, true.
>
> Delusional Dan advises to just pay the ransom and hope for the best.
That's exactly what YOU did to get your children back!
> >YOU have spit... nada... nothing but a bad attitude.
> >
> No, she has little things like the US Constitution, parental rights, due
> process rights, civil rights, and human rights on her side, as well as a
> media which is finally waking up and reporting on the abusiveness of
> this rogue agency.
>
> >And you want to teach them a lesson?
> >
> >Yeah, that's gonna get yer kids back.
> >
> What an attitude that is, eh Delusional Dan? How is anything going to
> change if people are just the docile little sheep you insist they be?
What EXACTLY should Jennifer do right now?
What is your plan for her to get her children back?
And what is your plans success rate?
Has it worked before?
Is this the same plan that you used?
And if not, why not?
> Father is now out of the house. Done. What else can they possibly
> reasonably demand? Let her get a restrainning order against him too.
> Go into court and demand they children now be returned because the
> 'threat' perceived by Gestapo CPS has been eliminated, thereby
> eliminating any sane reason for continued removal. Also point out the
> MYRIAD problems the kids have BECAUSE of removals and how continued
> separation will only exacerbate such problems. As Jennifer asked... How
> is this in the 'best interest of the children'?
>
> Clearly it is not.
>
> >CPS took the kids because you FAILED to distance yourself and your children
> >from the fa AFTER you learned that he was caught using drugs AGAIN!!!
> >
> No, Delusional Dan, that is their coverstory.. and again, Delusional
> Dan, they showed no risk. Only a single positive UA which they have not
> according to Jennifer shown to not be a false positive.
Where did she say anything about a false positive?
> This is a simple matter of control... Gestapo CPS told her not to do
> something she had every right to do
Jennifer did not have a right to ignore CPS' instructions after she
was told that she was no longer in compliance with the safety plan.
> and which the kids were looking
> forward to... so to punish her they ramped up a BS 'failure to protect'
> after a onesided 'meeting' where she was not present.
They didn't have a meeting and not let Jennifer know about it.
She knew about it and chose not to attend.
> This is a 'We will show HER who is boss" action and nothing more. It is
> clear and obvious on its face.
>
> >That about it?
> >
> >And AFTER CPS gave you the bad news and told you they needed to see you THAT
> >DAY not only did you blow off the appointment and stay with the drug user,
> >you chose to leave the county with him and your children even though CPS
> >told you not to.
> >
> Excuse me, Delusional Dan, but check the facts again. I do not believe
> she stated at that point in the proceedings that she left the county or
> that she remained with the father upon returning and having that phone
> conversation.
Yer wrong as usual, neal.
The call came first and then she blew off the apptmnt and then she
took the weekend trip (out of the county) and on the way back the car
broke down.
> Just that she did not comply with their demands.
>
> >That about it?
> >
> >So you had yer attnys approval?
> >
> >You shouldn't have even bothered to ask him.
> >
> Ah yes, dont bother asking your atty, just ask Delusional Dan whose
> insipid Gestapo CPS Apologist advice has gotten you to where you are
> today. Right... good plan... NOT!
Jennifer thanked YOU, termite.
Not me!
<<<snip all the rest because neal doesn't have his facts straight>>>
Dan
Dan Sullivan
> sherman wrote:
<<<snip>>>
> >Fighting a system is not something that you can do right now to bring your
> >children home.
> >
> Actually IMHO it is the ONLY thing that will bring the kids home, for
> Gestapo CPS has clearly proven that playing by their rules gets you an
> empty children's room and nothing more.
Your full of shit, neal.
Playing by CPS' rules, which is what Jennifer did when her children
were removed the first time, resulted in a reunification last year.
Not playing by CPS' rules, being out of compliance with their safety
plan, caused the children to be removed again, resulting in empty
children's rooms.
And continuing to defy CPS will only keep the kids in FC longer.
> This country has nothing to fear from outside enemies of freedom.
Here comes the BS.
> What we have to fear are the enemies of freedom within this country's borders
> and within the very government of this nation. Enemies such as Gestapo CPS.
We have nothing to fear but fear itself!
> They are what will tear this country apart and utterly destroy it... not
> some outside force. That much is clearly obvious.
What's clearly obvious is the fact that the more people take yer
advice the more kids will stay in fostercare.
> And you wish to give these enemies all the assistance you can. IMHO you
> are guilty of treason.
Have Sherman arrested then. Do a citizens arrest.
> > Fighting against their "orders" did not keep them home.
> >
> >Jen, listen to those who care. Get help. Follow directions. Grow up!
> >
> Grow up? As defined by what? Playing the 2 yr old child to the Nanny
> State parent? THAT is 'growing up' to you?
>
> <chuckle>
>
> >This is what I would tell my own daughter.
> >
> >Sherm.
> >
> Then I pity your daughter.
Sherman at least doesn't buy them used underwear!
Unlike the underwear you buy your daughters, neal.
You should be the posterboy for the purchase of used underwear, neal.
Dan
PS Now that the fa's gone and the kids are out of the picture are you
gonna try and set up a meeting with Jennifer like you tried last time,
neal?
Famil...@free.all
> Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:<3E5A39BC...@attbi.com>...
> > sherman wrote:
>
> <<<snip>>>
>
> > >Fighting a system is not something that you can do right now to bring
> > >your children home.
> > >
> > Actually IMHO it is the ONLY thing that will bring the kids home, for
> > Gestapo CPS has clearly proven that playing by their rules gets you an
> > empty children's room and nothing more.
>
> Your full of shit, neal.
Actually you butt sucking child protective snake delusional dan, that
would be you. And it's horse. Between your ears. I would mention
conscience, but you don’t have one of those. Only pro-family people do.
You know damn well that this is all your fault. By encouraging Jennifer
to stipulate she played right Into your hand like you want so many others
to do. You won’t admit that tho. You will keep on doing the waffle-man
shuffle, that you have made famous, as only a a-hole like you can. Why do
I say famous? Because everyone knows about you now. Notice less posters
and fewer real names and email address’s? The word’s out on you. YOU,
whatever your real name Is, you that is afraid to show your face, you
are the one that encouraged Jennifer to stipulate. Go back to the
“Jennifer got her kids back” thread and you slyly asked : “So what if she
stipulated?” You know damn well that once a Mommy or Daddy, a family
stipulates… then they have so little of a chance of even seeing the
children the rest of their lives when you come back in to remove them on
even the slightest whim, or fictious charges. This is so predictable , we
have almost came to the point we can even determine the date that you
(dan) move back in. I tried to warn Jennifer, she is, judging from her
posts and history here, a good person and doesn’t deserve what "YOU' are
doing to her and her children. She, at the time, (imo) erroneously
thought I was criticizing her, (I wasn't, mine was fear for her) only you
would do that. (And you prove that now.) I must wonder how much she
confided in you with. For you to publicly imply,AND YOU, LOWLIFES: to
accuse her of using drugs is beneath low. It’s cps. I’ve received so
many emails from others verifying that you have pumped them for
information. And you call yourself an activist, but you are here 24/7?
Yes, you are a pro-cps activist. We have been successful in reversing
tpr’s here, but never yet, once someone has stipulated. Not saying it
can’t be done, it would take a ton of money. Maybe Jennifer could sue
you? Oh, but I forgot, you don’t really exist do you? How convenient. I
hope she , and everyone else that is at risk from your bad advice (please
remember I pointed this out to everyone on this list over two years ago)
is finally able to see through your evil façade. The only one really that
has been able to do that is Neal and contrary to your whining and
waffling, he has never been any where but here. And Long before your
cps-apologist a---. You like a cock-a-roach…crawled out of the
woodwork...but you gnawed through the wood, and bite with cps-rat teeth.
How in the hell can you sleep at night? What do you get out of
destroying families? Some kind of deal where you might be able to see
your own children someday. Or is that a ploy like your flunkey
pretentious illiterate that also claims to have a child? You see, this
is about Jennifer and HER children, and no matter how much attack Neal
and try to shift the blame you cannot change it.
>
> Playing by CPS' rules, which is what Jennifer did when her children
> were removed the first time, resulted in a reunification last year.
No, stipulation, is what resulted in the wards of the state being
returned temporarily and you are damn well aware of this. Your feigned
ignorance of this situation is apparent. Typical cps doublespeak. The
waffle man special.
>
> Not playing by CPS' rules, being out of compliance with their safety
> plan, caused the children to be removed again, resulting in empty
> children's rooms.
No delusional dan, that is all your fault. You should go scr-- y------.
>
> And continuing to defy CPS will only keep the kids in FC longer.
Well it will now won’t It?!? Except you know that already don’t ‘cha? Do
you have dib’s on them? Make some movies? Play a little Uncle Ernie? You
sick freak. I hope she spits on your grave.
>
> > This country has nothing to fear from outside enemies of freedom.
>
> Here comes the BS.
You can’t handle the truth? He’s talking about YOU. Waffle.
>
> > What we have to fear are the enemies of freedom within this country's
> > borders and within the very government of this nation. Enemies such as
> > Gestapo CPS.
>
> We have nothing to fear but fear itself!
He forgot to include :delusional dan the child protective snake with
horse fecal matter between his ears where his brain ought to be. But it
was implied.
>
> > They are what will tear this country apart and utterly destroy it...
> > not some outside force. That much is clearly obvious.
>
> What's clearly obvious is the fact that the more people take yer
> advice the more kids will stay in fostercare.
Neal is a published family rights activist. Are you? No you support
wholly a system that abuses children. What does that make you and your
butt sniffing buddies? Do you need a clue? Howdoyousleepatnight?
>
> > And you wish to give these enemies all the assistance you can. IMHO
> > you are guilty of treason.
>
> Have Sherman arrested then. Do a citizens arrest.
Sherman does a great job of proving his own 'arrested' development as a
cps vendor spewing the fatuous, disingenuous psycho babble that is
responsible for many and more untold numbers in total destruction and
annihilation of the American families and rape and mutilation,
exploitation of THEIR children. Is Sherman getting his while the
getting’s good? Ooooh, he has a job. But, at what cost? How many innocent
lives?!?
>
> > > Fighting against their "orders" did not keep them home.
> > >
> > >Jen, listen to those who care. Get help. Follow directions. Grow
> > >up!
> > >
> > Grow up? As defined by what? Playing the 2 yr old child to the Nanny
> > State parent? THAT is 'growing up' to you?
> >
> > <chuckle>
> >
> > >This is what I would tell my own daughter.
> > >
> > >Sherm.
> > >
> > Then I pity your daughter.
>
> Sherman at least doesn't buy them used underwear!
How do you know, can you post the jpgs?
>
> Unlike the underwear you buy your daughters, neal.
Want some really good links on how parents can save money on more
important issues like protecting themselves from child protective snakes
like you? It’s recommended. And you are waffling to evade the issue. But
that don’t matter as you’ve fizzled out altogether now.
>
> You should be the posterboy for the purchase of used underwear, neal.
Careful Neal. delusion-anal dan's a-fantasizing, he needs a 'sniff'
dressed in his his petro-jel glory. <"chuckle">
>
> Dan
>
> PS Now that the fa's gone and the kids are out of the picture are you
> gonna try and set up a meeting with Jennifer like you tried last time,
> neal?
The Father may or may not be gone. That is up to him, Jen and them alone,
and not you. It depends on his love for Jennifer, and her love for him.
People , like every new day, change. That is what is wrong with this
picture. Jennifer describes her love and willingness to care for HER
children. Cps and you dan (both the same damn thing) take every situation
as absolute and never malleable. That is why Jennifer will win and you are
the “church lady” Why don’t you reimburse her in cash for your lame
Jack-ass advice, cease and desist …and don’t forget to apologize to Neal
Feldman.
--
Free. famil...@cpswatchlivenospam.com
Illinois State Director ^^^^^^remove
CPSWATCH,INC.
http:www.cpswatch.com/
Neal Feldman
Loyal Fan wrote:
> Hi Linda,
>
> Fight CPS And Win wrote:
>
>>> Honestly, I spoke with Dan today, he called to check on me, the wife
>>> and
>>> the baby. He mentioned you were going to court today, he was hoping for
>>> you and wishing the best for you.
>>>
>>> You smack him in the face like this? What wrong with us people? You
>>> mean
>>> the ones who have been here and dont crawl out of the woodwork?
>>>
>>> Wake up kid, you're asleep at the wheel.
>>>
>>
>>
>> What are you saying? You think she should sign a service plan or
>> stipulation instead of fighting for freedom from the system?
>
>
> You need to read the whole story about Jennifer and her troubles with
> cps. To brief you....
I assure you that Linda is fully aware of all the facts presented in
Jennifer's case.
> She got custody of her children back year, Hubby agreed to UA testing.
> He came up dirty last week. CPS informed her about the dirty test and
> the next day she blew a meeting off with them and left the county with
> the husband and children for a visit a few hundred miles away.
Sorry, nitwit, but the state of Oregon is not big enough for her to have
gone 'a few hundred miles away'... and the distance is irrelevant anyway.
Also your characterization of her 'blowing off' the sham meeting with
Gestapo CPS continues to prove where your true sympathies lie.
She had to choose between a sham meeting and a meeting which if she
missed the family would lose their housing.
Something YOU are clearly unaware of apparently, or clearly do not seem
to care about if you ARE aware of it, is that ALL of DHS in Oregon is
now unified. Which means Gestapo CPS, part of DHS, is aware of housing,
part of DHS, and fully knew that the meetings would conflict... they
gave her a Hobson's choice... no choice at all. It is typical of their
manipulative machinations. Create requirements that they, themselves,
make impossible to complete, and then blame their victims for
noncompliance. AFS (welfare) does it as well a great deal of the time.
You do make a great Gestapo CPS Apologist Sherman... restating the facts
in a completely twisted and misrepresentative way so as to make the
parents look as bad as you can while making the unreasonable actions of
Gestapo CPS seem as reasonable as you can. Standard Gestapo CPS
playbook tactics.
> Against the case workers request. While she was still on a service plan.
The caseworker had no right to make the request. According to Jennifer
there was NOTHING in the service plan which gave the caseworker the
right to demand she not go to Klamath Falls. Do you know different?
> The hubby broke his end of the agreement by using again, she endorsed
> his behavior by going with him and taking the children.
Nothing in her actions 'endorsed' any drug use on the part of the father.
> Fight the system? She was in the system.
So? What does that have to do with her rights, Sherm?
> She needed to comply with the system and she would have gotten them
> off her back.
Obviously not, for it was he, not she, who did not comply with the
agreement. There was nothing apparently in the agreement stating she
could not travel to Klamath Falls... there was nothing in the agreement
that she skip a meeting which would have resulted in loss of housing,
which IS something likely on the agreement... and there was nothing in
the agreement about her being required to be omniscient... and nothing
in the agreement that stated she no longer had the constitutional,
human, civil, due process and parental rights which are guaranteed to
all under the law.
> Did I mention that on this weekend trip, on her return home, the car
> broke down and they spent another three days at a motel?
Again so what, Sherm? Bad things happen.
> She never called the case worker to tell them what happened.
Why bother? Was she required to under the specific notations in the
agreement? Highly doubtful. And the caseworker has already proven to
be 'the enemy' so why would any sane person do as you claim she should
have done? Eh Sherm?
> So they got a family on a service plan, a father who is violating the
> plan by using again and mother who is driving around with him with the
> kids.
Again, Sherm, nice twisting and misrepresenting of the facts, but you
are in true Gestapo CPS Apologist form... your keepers at Gestapo CPS
must be so proud of you. Do your lips ever leave their anus, Sherm?
<chuckle>
Loyal Fan
Neal Feldman wrote:
>
>
> Loyal Fan wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Greg Hanson wrote:
>>
>>> Ron blamed the death of Logan Marr onto the fact that
>>> the mother fought CPS, even though CPS had no
>>> acceptable reason for removing that child.
>>
>>
>>
>> If they did not have a reason you dont want to give them one.
>
>
> What kind of Gestapo CPS Apologist pap is this?
>
> If they had no reason they had no reason... so how does fighting an
> illegitimate and unconcionable removal 'give them a reason'?
>
> Explain that one if you can, oh 'Loyal Fan' of Gestapo CPS apparently.
I can explain it like this. I have no service plan, I signed nothing.
I have full legal, parental and protective custody. I listened, I
learned and I prevailed.
It would seem you, like Greg, like Jennifer, were absent from class the
day it was taught what not to do to antagonize your CW.
I learned fast how to pick and choose my fights wisely. I won them all.
>
>> Act out and you you have given them ample reason to stall, deny,
>> delay, do whatever they can to drag the heels and dig in.
>
>
> You have? How so? Please show the Constitutional basis for your
> claim... and how your claim justifies the violation of the
> constitutional, civil, human, due process and parental rights of the
> parents, children and family.
>
> This ought to be interesting.
One question at a time a time Hot Pepper King. You answer mine above and
I will give you one in return.
>
>> You do what you have to in order to get the child out as quickly as
>> possible.
>
>
> If they ordered you to prostitute yourself would you do so?
I would sleep with my disgusting case worker yes. If the price they paid
was a moment more with my child, most certainly. If they would give her
back to her mother, I would have slept with whole office.
> If they ordered you to kill your spouse would you do so?
No, but I would have offered my life if meant the child was returned.
> If they ordered you to assassinate the president would you do so?
I am not a big fan of Bush so thats an unfair question.
But none of these things is what they asked Jenn and her skell husband
to do. They asked them to stay clean and they could not do this for the
sake of the children.
>
> All of these are just as illegal or immoral of demands as the ones they
> do which violate the constitutional, civil, human, due process and
> parental rights of the parents, children and family.
>
> I dare you to prove otherwise.
I won without a gripe about anything you have said above. Only the
guilty have to look for a hole in order to escape from. I walked through
the front doors.
>
>>> Jennifer: What drug showed up in the UA?
>>> I personally make a HUGE distinction between
>>> Marijuana and crack/Heroin/Meth.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow, for a person who dont use drugs you have a distinction? How would
>> you know what the effects are of any unless you have indulged?
>
>
> I have never jumped off the top of a skyscraper 80+ stories tall and
> landed as gravity would have it on the pavement... but I have a pretty
> good idea what the result would be, and that it would in all likelyhood
> be quite different than falling off a 6 inch diameter rock.
>
> Your pathetic attempt at an argument is entirely laughable.
The only thing pathetic is your attempt to defend yourself and the
whore. And no one finds that laughable, its quite sad.
>
> There is clearly a difference between Marijuana and Heroin/Meth. Any
> sane person would know this. You clearly define yourself here.
That they are all illegal?
>
>>> Are they making a HUGE deal out of POT?
>>
>>
>>
>> It is illegal, no?
>
>
> So is jaywalking. So do you propose removing the kids of all jaywalkers?
Which poses a more imminent risk of harm to a child?
>
>> I dont think they jump for joy if one is less the evil than the other.
>> They are all on the list that will take your children away.
>
>
> The whim of Gestapo CPS goosesteppers is the only list for removal that
> exists. You seem to have no problem with that. Why is that?
Please show us that list of whim's. Is the hot pepper in the kids mouth
whim on that?
>
>>> Or were heavier duty drugs in the UA?
>>
>>
>>
>> You just dont get it huh? Drugs is drugs Greggy Pooh.
>
>
> Yeah right... and 2 and 2 trillion are both numbers so they are equal.
>
> Yeah, anything you say, you Gestapo CPS Apologist nitwit.
>
We know who the nitwit is. Are you constantly reminded of your failures
as a parent?
Dan Sullivan
>
>
> Loyal Fan wrote:
>
> > Hi Linda,
> >
> > Fight CPS And Win wrote:
> >
> >>> Honestly, I spoke with Dan today, he called to check on me, the wife
> >>> and
> >>> the baby. He mentioned you were going to court today, he was hoping
for
> >>> you and wishing the best for you.
> >>>
> >>> You smack him in the face like this? What wrong with us people? You
> >>> mean
> >>> the ones who have been here and dont crawl out of the woodwork?
> >>>
> >>> Wake up kid, you're asleep at the wheel.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> What are you saying? You think she should sign a service plan or
> >> stipulation instead of fighting for freedom from the system?
> >
> >
> > You need to read the whole story about Jennifer and her troubles with
> > cps. To brief you....
>
> I assure you that Linda is fully aware of all the facts presented in
> Jennifer's case.
>
> > She got custody of her children back year, Hubby agreed to UA testing.
> > He came up dirty last week. CPS informed her about the dirty test and
> > the next day she blew a meeting off with them and left the county with
> > the husband and children for a visit a few hundred miles away.
>
> Sorry, nitwit, but the state of Oregon is not big enough for her to have
> gone 'a few hundred miles away'... and the distance is irrelevant anyway.
That's right. They never should have left the county.
> Also your characterization of her 'blowing off' the sham meeting with
> Gestapo CPS continues to prove where your true sympathies lie.
>
> She had to choose between a sham meeting and a meeting which if she
> missed the family would lose their housing.
The correct way to put is,
if she didn't go to the Section 8 meeting she would lose her families
housing
and,
if she didn't go to the CPS meeting she would lose her family.
Why didn't the fa go to the housing meeting and Jennifer go to the CPS
meeting?
> Something YOU are clearly unaware of apparently, or clearly do not seem
> to care about if you ARE aware of it, is that ALL of DHS in Oregon is
> now unified. Which means Gestapo CPS, part of DHS, is aware of housing,
> part of DHS, and fully knew that the meetings would conflict... they
> gave her a Hobson's choice... no choice at all.
How do you know CPS knew about the housing meeting?
Or does that supposition just bolster you BS?
> It is typical of their
> manipulative machinations. Create requirements that they, themselves,
> make impossible to complete, and then blame their victims for
> noncompliance. AFS (welfare) does it as well a great deal of the time.
>
> You do make a great Gestapo CPS Apologist Sherman...
Sherman?
> restating the facts
> in a completely twisted and misrepresentative way so as to make the
> parents look as bad as you can while making the unreasonable actions of
> Gestapo CPS seem as reasonable as you can. Standard Gestapo CPS
> playbook tactics.
>
> > Against the case workers request. While she was still on a service plan.
>
> The caseworker had no right to make the request. According to Jennifer
> there was NOTHING in the service plan which gave the caseworker the
> right to demand she not go to Klamath Falls. Do you know different?
What makes you think the service plan was still in effect?
The CW told Jennifer that she would be part of the new decision that was
gonna be made at the CPS meeting.
The old plan was out when the fa and Jennifer no longer were in compliance
with it.
That's what the meeting was for.
> > The hubby broke his end of the agreement by using again, she endorsed
> > his behavior by going with him and taking the children.
>
> Nothing in her actions 'endorsed' any drug use on the part of the father.
>
> > Fight the system? She was in the system.
>
> So? What does that have to do with her rights, Sherm?
Sherm?
> > She needed to comply with the system and she would have gotten them
> > off her back.
>
> Obviously not, for it was he, not she, who did not comply with the
> agreement. There was nothing apparently in the agreement stating she
> could not travel to Klamath Falls... there was nothing in the agreement
> that she skip a meeting which would have resulted in loss of housing,
> which IS something likely on the agreement... and there was nothing in
> the agreement about her being required to be omniscient... and nothing
> in the agreement that stated she no longer had the constitutional,
> human, civil, due process and parental rights which are guaranteed to
> all under the law.
>
> > Did I mention that on this weekend trip, on her return home, the car
> > broke down and they spent another three days at a motel?
>
> Again so what, Sherm? Bad things happen.
Sherm?
> > She never called the case worker to tell them what happened.
>
> Why bother? Was she required to under the specific notations in the
> agreement? Highly doubtful. And the caseworker has already proven to
> be 'the enemy' so why would any sane person do as you claim she should
> have done? Eh Sherm?
Sherm?
> > So they got a family on a service plan, a father who is violating the
> > plan by using again and mother who is driving around with him with the
> > kids.
>
> Again, Sherm, nice twisting and misrepresenting of the facts, but you
> are in true Gestapo CPS Apologist form... your keepers at Gestapo CPS
> must be so proud of you. Do your lips ever leave their anus, Sherm?
>
> <chuckle>
Yo chuckles, you were responding to Loyal Fan, not Sherman.
Try paying attention.
Dan
Neal Feldman
Loyal Fan wrote:
>
>
> Fight CPS And Win wrote:
>
>>> Whats your opinion?
>>
>>
>>
>> I already read the prior messages about what happened.
>
>
> Well then I guess you didnt read it very well.
No, Sherm... she just read it objectively, unlike you who seems to feel
an obsessive need to put a pro-Gestapo CPS spin onto things so that
instead of being the facts they are merely lies based loosely on the
facts... but then again that is what Gestapo CPS personnel and their
apologists such as yourself tend to do for the most part, now isn't it,
Sherm?
>> I think she's doing the right thing to separate from her husband
>> under these
>> circumstances. He should have put the kids first, before the desire for
>> drugs. As for the out-of-town trip, as I understood it, she had the
>> legal
>> right to go out of county.
>
>
> The husband was with them when they left on the trip.
So what?
> He tested positive not more than a day before.
Actually, nitwit, it is clearly YOU who are not reading the posts
straight... Jennifer clearly stated that the dirty UA was done DAYS
before they ever even contacted her about it to set up the sham meeting.
If you are going to claim others have the facts wrong you better make
sure you have them right because you just look like a complete fool who
has his lips permasewed to the anus of Gestapo CPS.
> How are they supposed to know how much and how frequently he is using?
So you support them going irrationally paranoid and assuming the worst
possible case, and with only that assumption to go on penalize Jennifer
(and the KIDS... lets not forget the GROSS HARM that your blessed
Gestapo CPS is doing to THEM by their actions here) as if he was on a
constant PCP rage, is that about the size of it, Sherm? Sure seems to
be from here.
<chuckle>
> Was he high when he was driving down the highway?
Apparently he was not. Do you even know he was even driving at all?
Jennifer gave the impression at least that it was she who was driving.
But the fact clearly do not support a conclusion that he was all over
the road in a drug induced haze... no DUI arrests, no reckless driving
citations, no accidents, etc.
> Sure that might have run past the caseworker and the judges mind.
Oh I do not doubt that those you listed off have just as slanted and
biased anti-family view of things as you clearly evidence, Sherm.
>> The caseworkers are overreacting. The kids had the right to see
>> their paternal grandparents again and if dad wasn't acting
>> crazy then they were never in any real danger, so she isn't failing
>> to protect.
>
>
> So you need to act crazy to be on drugs?
No, Sherm... you need to act in such a manner as to demonstrate to a
reasonable person that you are a hazard to the kids to be around you.
That is the sane, reasonable and rational standard... unlike the
insane, unreasonable and irrational standard you and Gestapo CPS who you
are clearly playing apologist for seem to be using.
I am on drugs quite frequently, Sherm. All legitimate prescriptions but
due to degenerative arthritis I am usually in enough pain that I have no
doubt would have a milquetoast such as yourself curled up and crying
24/7. Vicodin is insufficient to deal with it so when the pain is
exceptionally severe I take large doses of Lorcet, which if you know
your phamacology is also Hydrocodone, just like Vicodin, but at twice
the strength. My usual prescribed dose of such in such circumstances is
enough to usually knock out the average pro wrestler for 6 hours. To me
it just dulls the pain enough to deal with it at the time.
Would I come up positive on a UA? Ya Betcha! It would likely glow in
the dark!
Do I operate heavy machinery when I take such medication? Hell no.
But, to the main point here, am I a threat to my kids because I would
fail a UA? Also hell no.
You idiots who equate any drug use which would result in a 'dirty UA'
are so absolutely braindead it is beyond belief that you can actually
feed yourself successfully.
You probably also think the War on Some Drugs is working. ROTFLU!
Oh and I fully expect Delusional Dan, as usual, to latch onto and
misrepresent what I have said... it is his standard practice. I will
have no trouble dealing with his inane delusional lies just like I have
never had trouble dealing with his BS before. So, Delusional Dan, bring
it on.
<chuckle>
> You just cant have a sudden heart attack after a good toot of cocaine?
> At a rest stop, in the men's room?
People have sudden heart attacks all the time, moron, and most have
absolutely nothing to do with cocaine. In fact more have to do with
eating Big Macs than have to do with cocaine. So, nitwit, do you
propose stealing the kids from anyone who eats at McDonalds on those
grounds? Really?
<chuckle>
> I am glad we went over all the possibilities because thats exactly
> what they have to do when the decide whats best for your children.
Clearly what is best for these kids is to not traumatize them further
which is exactly what Gestapo CPS is doing in their surge of ego
selfaggrandizement. They could not possibly care less about these kids.
All that matters to them is the power they abuse.
> Your right she didnt fail to protect, she didnt do anything. She went
> on vacation.
I see... so merely 'going on vacation' to you is grounds for kidnapping
children from their families, Sherm? I guess the tourism industry would
be quite surprised if this were true. No more vacations for any
families with kids, or the kids should be taken away.
You DO realize that this IS what you just said, Sherm, or you to
myopically unintelligent to realize this even when it is pointed out to you?
> Its not like they asked her to come down and have a talk with them?
At a time they were told was impossible due to the meeting with Housing.
> But she had a plan. It didnt include telling the caseworker until she
> came back though. It was to put her husband out. I would put him out
> while the car was moving on the highway for jeopardizing my children.
So you propose she commit a capital felony act? This would make her a
fit parent to you? In what? The Charles Manson School of Parenting?
ROTFLU!
>> Jennifer, good luck getting your kids back. I know how devastated
>> you must
>> be, to have to deal with a CPS abduction and a separation at the same
>> time.
>> Please email me (linda-at-fightcps.com).
>
>
> Sure, maybe you could teach her how to use that word....abduction.
> That ought to help her.
????? Apparently, Sherm, you know neither the definition nor the usage
of the term, for your attempted usage here is incomprehensible to the
sane mind.
Loyal Fan
can take what learned and help another.
I have yet to see what suing another will do except make you richer. It
will show others you cannot do what that person has done and get away
with it. But it will not stop it, correct it. Mistakes are corrected
through education.
My situation educated our county agency, however unfortunate the
duration of the lesson plan. But it was learning process for all of us.
I apologized to all of them if my behavior seemed irrational at times.
They offered me nothing of the kind. I walked away with my child, head
held high. I basked in glory and they wallowed in defeat. I was the
better of all who stood there.
I have no problem with your title Neal. If you ever get in a spot with
cps again, let me know, I will apologize to them for your children.
Neal Feldman
sherman wrote:
"Fight CPS And Win" <no-spam...@fightcps.com> wrote in message
news:v5m6v0r...@corp.supernews.com...Honestly, I spoke with Dan today, he called to check on me, the wife and
the baby. He mentioned you were going to court today, he was hoping for
you and wishing the best for you.
You smack him in the face like this? What wrong with us people? You mean
the ones who have been here and dont crawl out of the woodwork?
Wake up kid, you're asleep at the wheel.What are you saying? You think she should sign a service plan or
stipulation instead of fighting for freedom from the system?
The Service Plan/ Safety Plan is in force and has been.
Man, this is like shooting fish in a barrel!
NEXT!
There is nothing for her to sign, Linda. It's over.
She and the father did not comply with it. That is simple.
The caseworker further ordered her to not remove the
children from her jurisdiction and she defied them.
The caseworker, by ruling of a judge in court, HAD NO AUTHORITY to make such an order, Sherm. Get with the program and grok the facts, ok? As such Jennifer was under no more obligation to adhere to such a baseless order than she would if she were ordered to suck off the caseworker's son's football team.
No it doesn't Sherm... you illogical, irrational and clearly dishonest and twisted BS does not work.This doesn't work.
Right or wrong does not count. The children are GONE!
You DO realize that this is what you are staking out as your position, don't you Sherm?
<chuckle>
Futher, she evidently did not produce any remedial plan for correcting the
problem.
Instead, she decided that she herself would determine the what's
and wherefore's of her drugging husband.
Not good. Further still, it may
be that she, herself, has relapsed too.
What a piece of work you are indeed.
ROTFLU!
It sure sounds like "stinkin' thinkin'" to me.
Neal Feldman
Neal Feldman
sherman wrote:
You have a problem with comprehending the word, Sherm?Chuckle? CHUCKLE?
Yes I agree. Which is clearly not going to be found with selfadmitted enemies such as yourself.These little ones and this Mother need help. Help that works. Now.
No, Sherm... it is quite clear from the context below I find humor in your idiocy.And you find humor in this?
Again with the baseless and false assumptions, Sherm... but oh so typical of your ilk.I can safely assume that you are insane
Actual parent, numbnuts. And you?and hopefully neither a parent nor a foster parent.
Milky Way... which one are you from, Sherm?What galaxy are you living in?
You can? You have yet to do so, Sherm.I speak with Wisdom.
You can? You have yet to do so, Sherm.I speak from Experience.
You can? You have yet to do so, Sherm.I speak with Knowledge.
You can? You have yet to show so, Sherm.And Care for the Children, including the Adult Children who ask for and need
help.
"Neal Feldman" <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3E5A39BC...@attbi.com...
sherman wrote:I don't think that you're "getting it", Jen.No Sherman, it is you who are not getting it. Ask Mr Peabody for help.Had you taken care of what you needed to do for the children, they would
very likely not be in the foster care home today.Excuse me, Sherman, can you speak a little more vaguely?
<chuckle>
Specifically, Sherman, what is it you claim she did not take care of?
Hmmmm?No doubt, you are sincere in your beliefs. You need to face realityhere.\She is, Sherman. It is clear that you are not."Right" and wrong on the part of anyone else is not the immediate issue.Right and wrong is ALWAYS the issue, Sherman.
The Best Interests of the Child is allegedly what is the issue, and
clearly yanking the kids is harmful while Gestapo CPS has not proven
that any harm has been done to the kids by their visiting theirgrandmother.So the question is which is more important? The Best Interests of the
Children, or the overinflated ego of abusive and run amok Gestapo CPS?The children are not home. That is the immediate issue. Drunks at apicnicare far removed from your children's fate this morningNot necessarily, Sherman.
What she points out is the selective persecution here.
You bring your kids to a get together where any person is drinking, that
person COULD potentially be a risk to them. As such Gestapo CPS, as
they have operated here, could justifiably snatch your kids from you for
'failure to protect'. Should they be allowed to do so, Sherman? Answer
the question please, yes or no.Did you watch the special TV show: "The taking of Logan Marr"? ThisMotherbecame defiant and had many a rationale for her behavior. Her child is
dead.And so of course you take Gestapo CPS' side in the Logan Marr case?
Typical.And it doesn't matter who, what, when, where or why in the long run.Actually it does.She did not comply with cps, right or wrong. The child is gone forever.Actually check the facts, idiot. The mother in the Logan Marr case in
fact DID everything Gestapo CPS demanded of her. And it was her MOTHER
who tried to get her to stand up for her rights and the rights of her
children and family. Had she done so more the kids might have been
returned the few days earlier which would have saved the life of thechild.But it is absolutely AMAZING to me that some insipid and moronic Gestapo
CPS Apologist such as you, Sherman, would take one of the most damning
cases AGAINST Gestapo CPS and try and present it as SUPPORTING Gestapo
CPS! Absolutely amazing indeed!Your family remained under the supervision of cps. One rule was: "NO
DRUGS". It isn't and wasn't up to you to determine how much wasallowable.NONE. That was the condition. He violated this and you continued to
disregard their direction. Your children are not home this morning.Sorry, Sherman, but HE may have violated it.. there is nothing in the
presented evidence showing SHE violated it or allowed it to be violated.
Their 'direction' was irrational and without legitimate basis.
Fighting a system is not something that you can do right now to bring
yourchildren home.
Actually IMHO it is the ONLY thing that will bring the kids home, for
Gestapo CPS has clearly proven that playing by their rules gets you an
empty children's room and nothing more.
This country has nothing to fear from outside enemies of freedom. What
we have to fear are the enemies of freedom within this country's borders
and within the very government of this nation. Enemies such as Gestapo
CPS.They are what will tear this country apart and utterly destroy it... not
some outside force. That much is clearly obvious.
And you wish to give these enemies all the assistance you can. IMHO you
are guilty of treason.
Fighting against their "orders" did not keep them home.
Jen, listen to those who care. Get help. Follow directions. Grow up!Grow up? As defined by what? Playing the 2 yr old child to the Nanny
State parent? THAT is 'growing up' to you?
<chuckle>This is what I would tell my own daughter.
Sherm.Then I pity your daughter.
"Jennifer" <BUCK...@MSN.COM> wrote in message
news:70eef042.03022...@posting.google.com...
O.k I understand what you guys are saying, but I am very capable of
telling if someone is under the influence and unsafe for my children
to be around. Duh, like I would put them in that situation. Have any
of your children ever been around adults drinking at a bar-b-que? Well
drunks pose a serious risk being around kids right? So I would not let
my kids be exposed to drunks, would you?
I can tell the difference between a safe or unsafe enviroment for my
kids to be
in, and I can quickly tell if my kids are in danger or not.
No I did not blow off the meeting with SCF that day, I had an
appointment with Section 8 that I could not miss, otherwise I would
have lost my housing. They told me on the phone what their plan was
going to be, that dad move out. Well that was my plan when he first
came back home. He knew that, SCF knew that, he's gone. We wen t to
K.falls together for mom's sake, and the kids, they love their
grandma. I found out about his ua the day before we left. Believe me,
it wasnt a peachy time between us, but we remained civil for the kids
sake.
Nothing happened to my kids, and there was no risk of anything
happening to them
untill we got home and SCF took them. Actually I drove them straight
to the foster's myself. Ya know, my 4 yr. old is still so traumatized>from the time they removed him from my moms for 3 weeks. Thank god thetwins are young enough, thy might not remember. But Trevar, now tell
me please, who just placed my child at risk of harm, actually I'd call
it mental abuse?
And I'm not supposed to have an attitude? This agency abuses it's
power, or authority, and gets away with, at the expense of our kids,
we as their parents are the ones who knows what their best interest
are. I know that no one will or could ever love my kids more than me,
therefore no one could have their best interests at heart, or protect
them better than me.
I will get my kids back once again, but I will not kiss their ass, or
be a push-over, and I wont let them violate any, (not even one) of my
rights, or the rights of my kids.
And if I have to do it all alone, believe me, I will.
As always ,
Jen
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Neal Feldman
sherman wrote:
<chuckle>
Neal Feldman
Loyal Fan wrote:
>
>
> Neal Feldman wrote:
>
>> As usual, Delusional Dan advises to 'do whatever Gestapo CPS wants'.
>> Mr Extreme Capitulation.
>
>
> Thank God he exists. My child is safe and sound with me and my wife
> and no thanks to the trolls who appear now and then like you.
Troll? LOL. I am one of the first who ever posted in this newsgroup
you ignorant poltroon.
And I doubt Delusional Dan had much to do with you getting your kids
back... and whether they stay back with your mouth so firmly attached to
Gestapo CPS' anus remains to be seen.
> Guess you dont read to well Neal.
Actually I read perfectly well... clearly far better than you do.
> I think at last count he got 5 children returned last year and mine
> was the first of this year.
Whoopee... and again I doubt he got any kids returned... you did.
You are fully within your rights to transfer your due credit to him, but
I am under no obligation to accept such as legitimate.
I know Delusional Dan quite well from many months of dealing with his
selfserving egostroking BS here.
> I just received another email from a young lady who got both her
> children back because of his sound advice.
Whoopdedoo... so the claims continue. So I have yet to see how such
would have been impossible without his existance.
> Very well done I would say?
So you say so... your right to so. You have your opinion, I have mine.
Your mileage may vary. Ain't America great!?
>> They yank the kids for no good reason and he supports them completely
>> and wants you to do the same.
>>
>> What a surprise... NOT.
>
>
> Yes, what a surprise he tells a woman neck (not ass) deep in cps shit,
> that her husband caused, to comply with cps's demands.
No matter what those demands are, huh? No matter how many
constitutional, human, civil, due process or parental rights of her, her
children or her family those demands might violate? No matter how many
laws those demands might violate? No matter how unjustified,
illegitimate or abusive such demands are?
Clearly this is what you are proposing here.
> But you would have this woman fight. Knowing full well that cps is
> using her children as human shields.
So your idea is to just commit to complete and abject surrender and hope
beyond hope that these offensive enemies of everything that is a family
will take pity on her and return her children to her? Are you
completely insane?
> Are you the turd who places tobasco sauce on his children's tongues?
> And times it?
I am not a turd, however I have done so, and such is a court ruled
prerogative completely within legitimate parental rights.
You can whine and cry and shrilly shriek all you like about it, but none
of your inane BS will change that fact.
I suggest you just deal with it.
>> Again Gestapo CPS demands you take their word for everything (like
>> there has never been a false positive on a test, we ARE talking ONE
>> dirty UA here out of likely many) and again act in utter and complete
>> anti-male paranoia.
>
> And the father went to an independent drug lab to prove different?
They did not give any opportunity to do so, now did they? Not according
to the timeline given.
> Nope. He got busted and he knew it. Never argued the dirty test
> because he got busted.
The father is entirely irrelevant to the issue here because he has been
removed from the equation.
So what is your issue with JENNIFER, hmmmmm?
>> If the guy is using again he should be gone anyway... but now that he
>> is gone what is the basis for keeping the kids from you?
>
> If he was using again?
Yes, dickweed... if he was using again. It is a qualified statement.
> You can read cant you?
Yes I can. Apparently either you cannot or your comprehension skills
are severely lacking.
> The mother acknowledges he was using.
Actually I believe she accepted the findings of the test, she never
stated she knew he was using, and the sole basis for her considering him
to have been using again was the single dirty UA. In point of fact she
stated clearly prior to being notified of this test result she had not
noticed any evidence of his using again, and in fact upon being informed
did not state anything to the effect that on retrospect she realized
there was evidence she had missed.
So your desperately dishonest attempt to twist and misrepresent the
facts is duly noted and exposed as such. Shall we move on?
> But so little she couldn't tell. Yeah thats it.
Your desperate attempt at proof by incredulity is duly noted and
rejected as the perfect example of flawed critical thinking and logical
fallacy that it is.
QED.
> And what the basis for keeping the kids? Well, if you must ask dumb
> questions....
Not a dumb question at all, numbnuts... a perfectly valid question.
Even if we accept that the father is the biggest doper of the western
hemisphere, he is now out of the house, and was so at the time the kids
were going to be kidnapped at gunpoint.
So just admit you do not want to answer the legitimate question... or do
you wish me to continue shooting down your BS like fish in a barrel?
> Uhmm, because she left with the idiot and the kids?
She did not leave. She went on a planned visit to the grandmother of
the children, something a judge in a court had already ruled she was
fully within her rights to do.
> She was informed he was using again and she went on a long car ride
> with the guy?
So what? Did he pose a risk? Clearly not. The only proven risk to
these kids currently is the trauma inflicting Gestapo CPS.
> You think he just stopped using when cps busted him?
I make no judgments absent evidence. Unlike you I do not make wildly
unfounded and unsubstantiated assertions. You should try and emulate such.
> Do you think he had stopped all along and just did it that one time?
> Or do you think as soon as he thought cps was kind of out of his life
> he fell right back to his old ways?
Again the father is out of the equation and therefore irrelevant.
> Bottom line his kids mean shit to him and his wife and her feelings
> even less.
Again irrelevant. We are not discussing whether the kids should be with
him but instead whether Gestapo CPS was justified and legitimate in
removing the kids from HER. Clearly they were not and you have yet to
provide any clear evidence or even a cogent and coherent arguments
showing that they did.
>> So called 'failure to protect' is a BS crock they use to just snatch
>> kids when they cannot show any legitimate basis, and in all honesty
>> by the vague and broad definitions they use for this they should be
>> taking 95 percent or more of kids into custody! Anything less is
>> purely selective persecution.
>
> She could have simply had an order of protection taken out on him
> until he got the help and treatment he needed.
How does she travel back in time? She had no reason to believe, as she
stated, that he was again using. After the dirty UA it was too late to
do so. All, including myself, have suggested she get such an order
currently to demonstrate her sincerity that he is gone. But that does
not change the fact in any way that with him out of the home there was
absolutely no legitimate justification for traumatizing the kids by
removing them from their mother who did nothing wrong to justify such
draconian and abusively harmful action.
> The least you can do to keep your kids safe.
No evidence shows she did not. The kids were perfectly safe and there
is no evidence to the contrary. However the greatest harm committed
against these kids, the severe mental trauma and anguish they have
suffered and continue to suffer, has one perpetrator, and one
perpetrator only.... Gestapo CPS... those who you are so slavishly
defending.
>> Persecution of the poor, since they almost never take middle income
>> and virtually never take rich family kids.
>
> I am quite wealthy, didnt stop them in the slightest.
Then gotta really wonder about your case my friend, since I know of not
a single case of a wealthy family where Gestapo CPS kidnapped the kids
and they did not have an airtight CRIMINAL case against the parent or
parents.
So I will say it is far more likely your money and the private attorneys
such money can provide would have had a much greater aspect in the
return of your kids than anything Delusional Dan may have ever said or done.
But to prove my point, I have yet to hear of Gestapo CPS taking Michael
Jackson's son into custody. Did I miss the news reports of it?
>> Did they take away Michael Jackson's infant for his hanging him out
>> the window on videotape? Of course not.
>>
>> Only goes to prove the point.
>
>
> Thats proving your point?
As a matter of fact it does.
A poor person filmed doing that would have had their kid yanked in MINUTES.
> You really dont jack shit about much.
Actually I do... clearly far more than you do.
>> IMHO you should never have stipulated anything.
>>
>> Nothing good ever comes of that.
>
>
> You, honest?
Yes, me honest. Unlike your hero Delusional Dan who has been caught and
exposed in one of his lies after another, neither he nor anyone else has
ever credibly and legitimately shown me to have ever lied in this newsgroup.
So you are more than welcome to try where everyone else including your
hero have failed, numbnuts. Give it your best shot.
<chuckle>
> Hehehe, your a funny guy. I did my homework and googled your posts.
So?
Unless you are the fastest reader the world has ever known it should
take you a few months to read everything I have ever posted in my
decades of activity in Usenet.
But you are more than invited to read... you might actually learn
something if you ever take your blinders off and ever learn how to
actually think.
>> My best wishes go with you.
>
> My best wishes go to her kids.
Why would this be, Chuck, if, as you claim, they are in the best place
on the planet... in the loving and caring bosom of Gestapo CPS?
> Her best chance is to listen to the likes of Dan and Sherman.
The facts clearly prove otherwise, dipstick. But you are fully within
your rights to make a fool out of yourself claiming otherwise.
<chuckle>
> Not a troll who comes out of the woodwork every now and then.
I post here when I find a reason to do so.
And you clearly have no comprehension of the meaning of the term Troll
in this context or you would see immediately how baseless and specious
your attempted usage is.
But then baseless and specious seem to be only two of your stocks in
trade, now don't they Chuck?
>> Dan Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Jen,
>>>
>>> Ask your caseworker to help you get a restraining order against the
>>> father.
>>>
>>> And ask what it is that YOU have to do to retain physical custody of
>>> your
>>> kids.
>>>
>>> Tell the CW that you'll do absolutely anything they want!!!!!
>>>
>>> I don't know if you've been doing UAs for CPS all along but suggest
>>> that
>>> they do a hair sample drug test on you immediately to prove that you
>>> haven't
>>> been using.
>>>
>>> CPS has to believe that the only one that used drugs was the father
>>> and that
>>> you knew nothing about his relapse.
>>>
>>> You have to join the CPS side in opposition to the father who put
>>> you and
>>> the kids back into the sh*t.
>>>
>>> It's gotta be you and CPS in concert against the father.
>>>
>>> That guy is a terminal disease for your family.
>>>
>>> Do not give this guy a break in any way... not even sympathy.
>>>
>>> He doesn't deserve it.
>>>
>>> You and your kids are always in my prayers.
>>>
>>> Best, Dan
Neal Feldman
Your lack of skill at comprehending english or your lack of wit in
comprehending concepts clearly laid out is not my problem, it is yours,
Chuck.
I suggest you deal with your problems.
<chuckle>
Loyal Fan wrote:
> What are you babbling about now Neal?
>
> Neal Feldman wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Loyal Fan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jennifer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for your support. And yes, the father is way gone.
>>>> I know that SCF took my kids as a way to punish me for taking them to
>>>> K.falls after they told me I could not leave the county, because they
>>>> knew that I was well within my right to do so, and they couldnt do
>>>> anything about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lest be honest, cps did not want the dad around the kids let alone
>>> him driving the kids around while he has tested positive for drug use.
>>>
>>> It really dont matter if you feel it was just a little bit a drugs
>>> he used and so little you couldn't tell he was using.
>>>
>>> Fact is, once you use you can always use. Its a battle everyday for
>>> the rest of your life.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ah yes... the War on Some Drugs, as with every other attempt at
>> Prohibition, has proven to be a complete and absolute failure.
>>
>> They even try and tie it to the popular War on Some Terror and that
>> proves to only undermine the popularity of the War on Some Terror,
>> doing nothing to increase support for the War on Some Drugs.
>>
>> Another aspect of their 'war' (which is only a war on the rights of
>> the citizens if you really look at the facts) is to punish those who
>> disobey Big Nanny's edicts by kidnapping their children.
>>
>> Simply another ratchetting up of the draconian nature of their
>> activities.
>>
>> History will judge them... and I believe the judgement will be harsh
>> indeed.
>>
>> After all, those supporting and participating in HUAC thought they
>> were doing the 'right thing' at the time too.
Neal Feldman
Ron wrote:
"Neal Feldman" <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message
As usual, Delusional Dan advises to 'do whatever Gestapo CPS wants'. Mr
Extreme Capitulation.
No rock, MoRon Mitty... just had something legitimate to say... something you clearly never have.
Well, look what crawled out from under its rock.
Oh, MoRon Mitty, have you EVER yet substantiated your clearly false claim of being or ever having been a real foster parent?
To date no one has apparently seen you do so.
Actually that is not what she says. But you wallow in your delusional state and continue posting your braying idiocies and lies, MoRon Mitty. Thanks to your feeble attempts at disinformation and character assassination a good portion of the internet knows you as I do... as a moronic poltroon with a severe delusion issue and not even a passing acquaintance with the concept of honesty.
Jennifer got her kids back the last time without your ASSistance there
kneal,
Oh, a blast from the past:
Months and months go by, and still MoRon Mitty continues to refuse to
provide easy and reasonable substantiation for his claim of being a foster
parent... a claim he uses to insist that everything he says be taken as gospel
and which he uses to cavalierly dismiss anything presented he disagrees
with.
The required and reasonable information is simple and information he
should know by heart if he is in fact a foster parent as he claims.
His continued obfuscation, evasion, and dodge and dance routine continues
to show that he is in fact LYING in his claim of being a foster parent, just as
he has been shown to be lying (or just plain ignorant) in pretty much every
post he has ever made here.
The information requested is:
1) Name and official office phone number of his government liaison.
2) Name of the office/agency this person works for.
3) City and state of this office.
All of this information he has already admitted is PUBLIC DOMAIN
INFORMATION and is not in any way confidential or private information.
Yet he continues to refuse to provide it to meet the legitimate burden of proof
which exists for his claim.
When will he provide it?
I expect he never will because my assessment is that he is LYING and he is
not nor has he ever been a foster parent.
He can easily prove me wrong by providing this simple information...
Wanna bet he doesn't, because he clearly cannot produce that which in fact
does not exist?
Wait and see....
<chuckle>
Addendum -
MoRon Mitty has taken to an intellectually craven and dishonest little
obfuscation and evasion dodge... in response to my reasonable request of
him to substantiate his claims and meet his legitimate burden of proof
for said claims, at least regarding his claim of being a foster parent,
MoRon Mitty has ludicrously demanded that before he will provide such
he expects me to provide him with my private personal unlisted home
phone number and my social security number.
Obviously such is ridiculous of him to request and even more ludicrous
for me to provide.
Which is of course the entire purpose of his little game.
MoRon Mitty seems to be abused of the opinion that if he puts a
completely unacceptable, unreasonable, irrational, ludicrous and
ridiculous condition which he requires to occur BEFORE he will meet his
burden of proof that this in any way removes the requirement of him
meeting his burden of proof and substantiating his claim.
He is, as usual, completely wrong in this.
He ludicrously claims that this is 'the same' as I am asking of him,
Preposterously untrue, of course.
I have requested what MoRon Mitty himself has not only admitted is
non-confidential public domain information but also claims he has
in fact provided the information already (although no one but him
seems able to confirm this, and I for one have never seen him do so).
What MoRon Mitty is demanding is the private and confidential information
which would facilitate identity theft, credit fraud and any number of
other nefarious and illegal (if not just basic harassment) activities.
In other words, not the 'same' at all, in any way, or on any level.
There is NOTHING I have claimed here which I have based any of my
positions on which that information is required to substantiate.
Yet, since MoRon Mitty has made this ludicrously unreasonable demand
and seems intent on repeating it each time I post this, I felt I would
just add this addendum to this post to expose his delusion, dishonesty
and braying idiocy pre-emptively.
Addendum 2 -
MoRon Mitty now tries to claim that in fact he HAS NO burden of
proof to substantiate his claim of being a foster parent.
What rubbish!
MoRon Mitty has claimed to be a foster parent. Fine, so have
others. Yet he ALONE has made it a point to claim that because
he is a foster parent and someone he disagrees with is not that
their statements, evidence, opinions and positions are entirely
invalid if they disagree with MoRon Mitty's own BECAUSE he is a
foster parent.
Also MoRon Mitty has made many statements which other foster parents
have said no real foster parent would make because anyone fostering
for even a week would know better.
MoRon Mitty has been challenged as to the veracity of his claim,
and in the face of that challenge MoRon Mitty continues to
maintain that claim.
Therefore yes, MoRon Mitty DOES bear the burden of proof to
substantiate his claim that he is a foster parent.
Addendum 3 -
MoRon Mitty has now taken to trying to defend his ridiculous demand
outlined in the first Addendum above by claiming that I would use
the reasonably requested information specified in the main text of
this above to 'harass him' and so he feels justified in demanding
information of me which he could use to harass me, commit identity
theft against me, or credit fraud against me, though this is by
far not an exhaustive list of the possible nefarious activities
such information would allow him to accomplish.
This latest claim is as ludicrous and ridiculous as the rest of
his nonsensical bleatings.
The information requested gives no contact with MoRon Mitty. As
such there is nothing there useable to harass him. Only the
government liaison at their office number could possibly be
harassed, and there would be no reason to do so. Additionally
harassing a government worker at their office is, if memory
serves, a federal crime, and a felony at that. Why would I, or
anyone else, set themselves up for federal charges and
imprisonment just to harass a government worker we do not know
anything about?
Again, MoRon Mitty's desperate red herring lacks any legitimacy.
Just like the rest of his nonsensical bleatings, his dishonesty,
delusion and regular braying idiocy.
Dan Sullivan
"Neal Feldman" <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:3E5C12D8...@attbi.com...
It is all on my website, Sherm, which is linked at the bottom of all my posts.
----- Original Message -----From: Daniel SullivanTo: ShermanSent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:00 PMSubject: neal feldmanHey Sherm,Ya gotta be careful with him especially if you go to his website.He runs software that gives him tons of info about what's in your computer.He is a major hacker and has pled "no contest" to unlawful computer entry.He was also the asCPS NG monster. For years!!!He and his x-wife lost their children more than once to FC, different times different states.neal's claim to fame was putting red pepper on his daughter's tongues for punishment, timing one minute before they were allowed to spit it out and then timing five more minutes before they were allowed to get a drink of water.He claimed that it was perfectly acceptable even tho people all around the country lose their children to FC and get arrested for it all the time.And there's other things, but that should give you an idea.His (and a few others who've left) advice always was to fight CPS tooth and nail if someone had their children removed.Needless to say NO ONE who came here and took their advice EVER got their children back!!!Jennifer joined the NG after already being involved with neal and his terrible advice.She started to listen to me because it made more sense to her than fighting with CPS all the time and she eventually did get em all back!Naturally neal tried to take the credit.Anyhow after posting a dozen or so posts everyday on the NG on Jan 11 2002 neal left without a trace.He pops in every couple of months.But the NG, because of people like you and a few others and myself, has turned into something very beneficial to people with CPS trouble instead of what it used to be when neal was here everyday.Thanks for your support BTW.You know you have mine.Best, Dan
Neal Feldman
What are you babbling about now Neal?
1) I am not libertarian.
The War of Drugs is not popular with the Libertarian crowd. They are of the
opinion that it is ineffective.
2) It is not just libertarians who see the truth about the absolute failure of the War on Some Drugs... I guess noted conservative Wm F Buckley does not spring to your mind as quickly as he does to mine in this context.
3) The War on Some Drugs IS ineffective. It has been proven so clearly and conclusively.
4) The War on Some Drugs is nothing but yet another attempt at Prohibition... a concept that has been a complete and utter failure on every single topic and target it has ever been attempted on. The only result is an increase in revenue to criminal factions.
And there is clearly more than enough to fill the hole.All I can say is that for every pound of
drugs that is captured by our law enforcement agencies, that is one more
pound off the streets, and not up in smoke, in someone's arm, or up
someone's nose.
There is a very old saying which applies here, though I doubt you will comprehend it or figure out how it applies... "You can never step on the same piece of water twice".
I am? Since when, MoRon Mitty?Kneal is a Libertarian,
As a matter of fact I do not support Libertarians... and my position as such is long and well documented.
Because you are a delusional liar who would not know the truth if he were formally introduced to it... such has been attempted many times always with failure as the result.and a few other things, but I wont mention them in polite company.
But as usual when your ilk clearly cannot argue against the unassailable truth I present you resort solely to non sequitur and ad hominem BS....
It is all you ever produce MoRon Mitty... I have no opinion that your kind will ever change.
<chuckle>
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
"Neal Feldman" <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message
As usual, Delusional Dan advises to 'do whatever Gestapo CPS wants'. Mr
Extreme Capitulation.
They yank the kids for no good reason and he supports them completely
and wants you to do the same.
What a surprise... NOT.
Look who's back.
We can expect a plethora of good advice and logic now.
Again Gestapo CPS demands you take their word for everything (like there
has never been a false positive on a test, we ARE talking ONE dirty UA
here out of likely many) and again act in utter and complete anti-male
paranoia.
If the guy is using again he should be gone anyway... but now that he is
gone what is the basis for keeping the kids from you?
So called 'failure to protect' is a BS crock they use to just snatch
kids when they cannot show any legitimate basis, and in all honesty by
the vague and broad definitions they use for this they should be taking
95 percent or more of kids into custody! Anything less is purely
selective persecution.
Persecution of the poor, since they almost never take middle income and
virtually never take rich family kids.
Did they take away Michael Jackson's infant for his hanging him out the
window on videotape? Of course not.
Only goes to prove the point.
Yes, Delusional Dan, really.
Really?
Yup.MJ doing something in Germany and getting away with it PROVES that Oregon
CPS shouldn't have taken Jennifer's children?
Gestapo CPS is national, Delusional Dan. And this is evidenced by their operating under the same federal umbrella with all the same problems in every state of the union.
If a poor person who was identified were filmed doing what Michael Jackson did Gestapo CPS would swoop in an seize the kid immediately.
People have actually tried to PRESSURE California offices of Gestapo CPS to do so... Bill O'Reilly to name just one loud voice for such, and yet Gestapo CPS CONTINUES to refuse to do so.
It does not take a supercomputer to figure it out, Delusional Dan. Michael Jackson has a mountain of money to hire an army of lawyers to absolutely BURY Gestapo CPS and they know it.
If they are as intellectually inept as you continue to prove here with your rampant use of NOTHING BUT flawed critical thinking and logical fallacies, Delusionla Dan, your guess is as good as mine.How could the Judge argue with that logic?
<chuckle>
IMHO you should never have stipulated anything.
Nothing good ever comes of that.
My best wishes go with you.
Well I did not advise the Christines... and in fact if I had done so I would have advised them to use no one else (it was their accomplice who turned in Mrs Christine and the kids if you will note) and I would have advised them to do a paper trip and create a couple sets of bulletproof new identities. If you recall Mr Christine was only picked up when he got a speeding ticket. If he had been using a new identity he would have gotten the ticket, that would have been that, and the family would still be happily together.
Sure... I'll bet you end up telling Jennifer to pack up her kids and go on
the run.
Look how well that advice worked for the Christines.
The devil is always in the details, isn't it?
It is Gestapo CPS whose unreasonable, irrational and illegal actions continue to give more and more folks reason to take such drastic actions.
So you continue to claim, Delusional Dan. So you continue to have yet to prove.If everyone on OJ's Dream Team took a dump in a bucket it would still come
up with better advice than you, neal.
I will... I do not need your invitation or permission, Delusional Dan.Stop by anytime.
Dan Sullivan
>
> Loyal Fan wrote:
>
> > Neal Feldman wrote:
> >
> >> As usual, Delusional Dan advises to 'do whatever Gestapo CPS wants'.
> >> Mr Extreme Capitulation.
> >
> > Thank God he exists. My child is safe and sound with me and my wife
> > and no thanks to the trolls who appear now and then like you.
>
> Troll? LOL. I am one of the first who ever posted in this newsgroup
> you ignorant poltroon.
And Benedict Arnold was one of the America's first soldiers.
Note the similarities.
neal has been challenged to post the proof of the court ruling but he has
always failed to do so.
That ruling was PRIOR to their failure to comlpy with the safety plan
> > She was informed he was using again and she went on a long car ride
> > with the guy?
>
> So what? Did he pose a risk? Clearly not. The only proven risk to
> these kids currently is the trauma inflicting Gestapo CPS.
>
> > You think he just stopped using when cps busted him?
>
> I make no judgments absent evidence. Unlike you I do not make wildly
> unfounded and unsubstantiated assertions. You should try and emulate
such.
>
> > Do you think he had stopped all along and just did it that one time?
> > Or do you think as soon as he thought cps was kind of out of his life
> > he fell right back to his old ways?
>
> Again the father is out of the equation and therefore irrelevant.
>
> > Bottom line his kids mean shit to him and his wife and her feelings
> > even less.
>
> Again irrelevant. We are not discussing whether the kids should be with
> him but instead whether Gestapo CPS was justified and legitimate in
> removing the kids from HER. Clearly they were not and you have yet to
> provide any clear evidence or even a cogent and coherent arguments
> showing that they did.
All we have is your BS that she didn't violate the safety plan.
If the plan said no drug use and there was....
You don't expect us to believe that the plan said if one parent uses drugs
the other parent gets custody of the children?
Loyal Fan would have vomited himself to death long before that.
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
"Neal Feldman" <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3E5B9BFB...@attbi.com...Loyal Fan wrote:Honestly, I spoke with Dan today, he called to check on me, the wife
and the baby. He mentioned you were going to court today, he was
hoping for you and wishing the best for you.
You smack him in the face like this?Aw... did she hurt the feelings of a Gestapo CPS Apologist?
GOOD!Chuck simply asked why Jennifer was "smack(ing)" me in the face.
Nobody said my feelings were hurt.
I just feel bad that Jennifer listened to you and lost her children,
probably for good this time.
My how chameleonlike your claims are, changing moment to moment.
How much like Gestapo CPS who you continue to play apologist for, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
But you have a new recruit in your army of losers.
(her "thanks" to YOU was duly noted)
At least unlike you there was never, according to your own admission and standards, clear and convincing evidence that I ever sexually abused my own young children, Delusionla Dan.
Delusional Dan, have you stopped raping six year old boys yet? Hmmmmm?
What wrong with us people?Yes, what is wrong with YOU people, meaning the Gestapo CPS Apologist brood.
You mean Chuck, who never signed a CPS agreement the way YOU DID, neal????
I am unaware of Chuck's case other than he claims to be wealthy. In such a circumstance it is amazing in and of itself that his kids were ever even taken... that they were returned without the standard Gestapo CPS would be unsurprising to me on any level considering his claimed wealth.
You mean Chuck who's decision to return his child back to him included FULL
LEGAL CUSTODY and no CPS supervision, unlike your case, neal, where CPS kept
legal custody of your children FOR YEARS!!!!
Again, Delusional Dan, you present criminal activity by Gestapo CPS and try and use it against me instead of them... which makes it all the easier for me to prove you a liar and a general scumbag and that basically every assessment I have ever made regarding you is entirely and completely accurate.
This has been pointed out to you many times... and yet you remaind either too witless to comprehend it or too delusional to accept it... my assessment of you that it is BOTH.
<chuckle>
You mean Chuck who's on the phone as we speak explaining to another parent
whose child was removed by CPS how he succeeded in getting his little girl
back?
You mean Chuck who helped me assist a woman from upstate NY in getting her
two kids back from fostercare last year?
You mean the ones who have been here and dont crawl out of the woodwork?What the heck ARE you blathering about?
Chuck is talking about termites like you, neal.
As for Troll the accurate definition of such as anyone experienced in the internet knows does not apply to me. As for longevity in this newsgroup the only one who can claim longer is Ric who created it... I was here from the very beginning.
You only see them once in a while because most of the time they're behind
the scene destroying a family structure.
Again Delusional Dan continues to rant and rave factlessly, baselessly and without even a shred of evidence to support his nonsensical lies and peurile drivel...
How typical of Delusional Dan and his pathetic and feeble cohort of Gestapo CPS apologists.
<chuckle>
They only pop out to watch the structure collapse and gloat about their
success.
That is YOU, neal.
<chuckle>
Wake up kid, you're asleep at the wheel.No, you are. Clearly so. You are so wrapped up in the divinity of
Gestapo CPS and their Apologist agent Delusional Dan that you refuse to
face the facts.
The fact is Chuck's attny filed a Motion and forced CPS and the county attny
into court where their case crumbled in front of the Judge... WITH EXTREME
PREJUDICE I believe the Judge wrote in the decision.
How long were Chuck's kids held btw?
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3E5A2F1D...@attbi.com>...As usual, Delusional Dan advises to 'do whatever Gestapo CPS wants'. Mr
Extreme Capitulation.
The termite speaks.
They yank the kids for no good reason
CPS removed the children because their parents were no longer in
compliance with the safety plan.
So how, specifically, did she not comply with the safety plan Delusional Dan?
And he supports them completely and wants you to do the same.
I just want Jennifer to take the road of greatest success.
What a surprise... NOT.
Again Gestapo CPS demands you take their word for everything (like there
has never been a false positive on a test, we ARE talking ONE dirty UA
here out of likely many) and again act in utter and complete anti-male
paranoia.
Jennifer never claimed the test was a false positive.
She did say she believed he only used a small amount.
Spit the sawdust out of yer mouth and try something else, neal.
This aspect of you has been exposed a great many times here, Delusional Dan.
If the guy is using again he should be gone anyway... but now that he is
gone what is the basis for keeping the kids from you?
The failure to comply with the safety plan and the fact that she took
off WITH the offender and the children in spite of being told not to
go...
I would not know. I would tend to doubt it but not being one I cannot speak from direct experience, Delusional Dan.Can't termites read?
<The rest of Delusional Dan's dishonesty, delusion and braying idiocy mercifully snipped.>
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3E5A34D...@attbi.com>...Dan Sullivan wrote:"Jennifer" <BUCK...@MSN.COM> wrote in message
news:70eef042.03022...@posting.google.com...Thanks for your support. And yes, the father is way gone.
I know that SCF took my kids as a way to punish me for taking them to
K.falls after they told me I could not leave the county, because they
knew that I was well within my right to do so, and they couldnt do
anything about it.
All the while claiming the best interests of the children, they have
just traumatized my kids to punish me? This is illegeal, immorale, and
it is abuse of my children and I am pissed. I will not let them get
away with this. Not w/ my kids. They are harming them more than I ever
could.
I plan to go into court tommorrow and make them really prove my
failure to protect, while I prove theirs.
Any advice?Did you NOT read what Sherman and I posted?Do whatever Gestapo CPS wants... that what you said.
At this point Jennifer doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Constitutional rights.
Human rights.
Civil rights.
Due process rights.
Parental rights.
The LAW.
A great many legs indeed.
How typical it is, though, of a Gestapo CPS Apologist such as Delusional Dan has admitted himself to being, to just ASS/U/me that if Gestapo CPS kidnaps the kids game over, thats it.
How typical indeed.
<chuckle>
Notice she said she was gonna "prove" CPS' failure to protect and then
she comes back from court and says that she "didn't know why I even
had to be there."
IOW she didn't get to say anything.
The next time she goes to court if she blows up fighting for her
rights and pointing her finger at CPS like you want her to do, they
don't have to say a word.
They also know that their little games are being exposed more and more and the complete media shield they have enjoyed for the majority of the past 30 years is crumbling and crumbling FAST. They know the days of their outlawry are numbered and once their shields finally fall there will come an accounting and watch how many of them head for the hills with arrest warrants issued after them.CPS knows that.
They're gonna let her sink her own ship (thanks to you).
I know from personal experience the dishonesty and nonsensical nature of your BS here Delusional Dan... and it is, as always, so easy to expose you and your BS for what you are and it is.
I have yet to see anyone win a war by having their first act be one of complete and total surrender. Historically it is not a particularly sound strategic model, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3E5A34D...@attbi.com>...Dan Sullivan wrote:Or are ya waiting for whatsisname to rise from the dead and tell you to
fight CPS tooth and nail?Rise from the dead, Delusional Dan? I am not dead.
Why yer kids haven't killed you yet, I have no idea.
It would see a great deal of reality is beyond your comprehension for much the same reason, as well as due to your clear lack of intellect.
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3E5A39BC...@attbi.com>...sherman wrote:
<<<snip>>>
Fighting a system is not something that you can do right now to bring your
children home.Actually IMHO it is the ONLY thing that will bring the kids home, for
Gestapo CPS has clearly proven that playing by their rules gets you an
empty children's room and nothing more.
Your full of shit, neal.
Ah welll....
<chuckle>
Playing by CPS' rules, which is what Jennifer did when her children
were removed the first time, resulted in a reunification last year.
Delusional Dan, have you stopped raping six year old boys yet? Hmmmmm?
Not playing by CPS' rules, being out of compliance with their safety
plan, caused the children to be removed again, resulting in empty
children's rooms.
It is beyond any doubt that had she blown off the housing meeting and lost her housing that Gestapo CPS would have grabbed the kids as soon as Jennifer showed up at the sham meeting.
The entire trip thing is a red herring and irrelevant.
And continuing to defy CPS will only keep the kids in FC longer.
This country has nothing to fear from outside enemies of freedom.
Here comes the BS.
ROTFLU!
What we have to fear are the enemies of freedom within this country's borders
and within the very government of this nation. Enemies such as Gestapo CPS.
We have nothing to fear but fear itself!
They are what will tear this country apart and utterly destroy it... not
some outside force. That much is clearly obvious.
What's clearly obvious is the fact that the more people take yer
advice the more kids will stay in fostercare.
And you wish to give these enemies all the assistance you can. IMHO you
are guilty of treason.
Have Sherman arrested then. Do a citizens arrest.
However nothing you have presented in response to my text disproves anything I said, Delusional Dan.
As usual.
<chuckle>
Famil...@free.all
> Loyal Fan wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Neal Feldman wrote:
> >
> >> As usual, Delusional Dan advises to 'do whatever Gestapo CPS wants'.
> >> Mr Extreme Capitulation.
> >
> >
> > Thank God he exists. My child is safe and sound with me and my wife
> > and no thanks to the trolls who appear now and then like you.
>
> Troll? LOL. I am one of the first who ever posted in this newsgroup
> you ignorant poltroon.
Neal...You haven't been intro'd to Loyal fool...or...loony toon
(whichever) yet? He is the resident: pretentious illiterate. Do a Google
on him, if you need a little humour in your life. More than likely he's
just another of dan's sock puppets. It will be evident to you afterwards
that he does not have a child or even ever been a parent. Like Mo-Ron
Mitty they will not and cannot prove who they are. Even though we were
here long before they came here and will be here long after they are gone
they do provide some measure of slight amusement running in circles
sniffing each others butts like court whore dogs pretending to be the
cock o' the rock. You evidently and quite obviously have him pegged for
the apologist that he is. I leave your post intact to that effect. free.
--
FamilyFree
Illinois State Director
CPSWATCH,INC.
http://www.cpswatch.com/
famil...@cpswatchlivenospam.com
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> "Neal Feldman" <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message =
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> It is all on my website, Sherm, which is linked at the bottom of all =
> my posts.
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Daniel Sullivan=20
> To: Sherman=20
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:00 PM
> Subject: neal feldman
>
> Hey Sherm,
>
> Ya gotta be careful with him especially if you go to his website.
>
> computer.
>
> He is a major hacker and has pled "no contest" to unlawful computer =
> entry.
>
> He was also the asCPS NG monster. For years!!!
>
> times different states.
>
> neal's claim to fame was putting red pepper on his daughter's tongues =
> for punishment, timing one minute before they were allowed to spit it =
> out and then timing five more minutes before they were allowed to get a =
> drink of water.
>
> He claimed that it was perfectly acceptable even tho people all around
> time.
>
> And there's other things, but that should give you an idea.
>
> tooth and nail if someone had their children removed.
>
> their children back!!!
>
> Jennifer joined the NG after already being involved with neal and his =
> terrible advice.
>
> She started to listen to me because it made more sense to her than =
> fighting with CPS all the time and she eventually did get em all back!
>
> Naturally neal tried to take the credit.
>
> 2002 neal left without a trace.
>
> He pops in every couple of months.
>
> has turned into something very beneficial to people with CPS trouble =
> instead of what it used to be when neal was here everyday.
>
> Thanks for your support BTW.
>
> You know you have mine.
>
> Best, Dan
Don't cha think Loony will get jellyous if he ketchs ya doing "SPERM?" You
just want to waffle away and not take the credit for having kids removed
from innocent loving homes do ya? I go to Mr. Feldman's site. I've read
the articles that newspapers have printed about him helping families.
Where is yours, delusionanal dan? Hmmm?
Neal Feldman
Loyal Fan wrote:
>
>
> Neal Feldman wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Loyal Fan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg Hanson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ron blamed the death of Logan Marr onto the fact that
>>>> the mother fought CPS, even though CPS had no
>>>> acceptable reason for removing that child.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If they did not have a reason you dont want to give them one.
>>
>>
>>
>> What kind of Gestapo CPS Apologist pap is this?
>>
>> If they had no reason they had no reason... so how does fighting an
>> illegitimate and unconcionable removal 'give them a reason'?
>>
>> Explain that one if you can, oh 'Loyal Fan' of Gestapo CPS apparently.
>
>
> I can explain it like this. I have no service plan, I signed nothing.
Usually rich people don't have to.
So what, Chuck?
It is extremely rare that rich folks even have their kids taken... look
at Michael Jackson for a perfect example.
National outrage and public outcry from very public people and STILL his
kids are not taken by Gestapo CPS.
So considering how rare it even IS for a rich person's (as you described
yourself) kids to even be taken by Gestapo CPS in the first place, you
try and hold yourself up as an example to those who are not so luxurious
in their financial status? Are you willing to fund their lawyers too?
> I have full legal, parental and protective custody. I listened, I
> learned and I prevailed.
You were rich. Nuff said.
> It would seem you, like Greg, like Jennifer, were absent from class
> the day it was taught what not to do to antagonize your CW.
I can do whatever i want to a caseworker... within the law of course.
They know better than to mess with me and those I deal with tend to
walk on eggs around me. They know I am just waiting for a reason.
> I learned fast how to pick and choose my fights wisely. I won them all.
As did I. And I did so without a huge bank account. So?
>>> Act out and you you have given them ample reason to stall, deny,
>>> delay, do whatever they can to drag the heels and dig in.
>>
>> You have? How so? Please show the Constitutional basis for your
>> claim... and how your claim justifies the violation of the
>> constitutional, civil, human, due process and parental rights of the
>> parents, children and family.
>>
>> This ought to be interesting.
>
> One question at a time a time Hot Pepper King. You answer mine above
> and I will give you one in return.
I already did, but again your evasiveness is duly noted as is your
desperate attempt to change the subject and your use of irrelevant ad
hominem.
When you wish to have an honest, intelligent and legitimate discourse do
let me know.
Until then I will continue with my current assessment of you, Chuck.
>>> You do what you have to in order to get the child out as quickly as
>>> possible.
>>
>> If they ordered you to prostitute yourself would you do so?
>
> I would sleep with my disgusting case worker yes. If the price they
> paid was a moment more with my child, most certainly. If they would
> give her back to her mother, I would have slept with whole office.
Then you are their slave.
Last I checked Slavery was abolished in the US by the 15th amendment.
>> If they ordered you to kill your spouse would you do so?
>
>
> No, but I would have offered my life if meant the child was returned.
Ah so there ARE limits and you would NOT in fact do 'what you have to
do', eh Chuck?
It seems by your own admission here that different folks have different
thresholds...
Do you claim still that anyone should reasonably be expected to do
ANYTHING to get their kids back from these kidnappers no matter what?
Thank you for playing.
>> If they ordered you to assassinate the president would you do so?
>
>
> I am not a big fan of Bush so thats an unfair question.
True enough... neither am I a great fan of Shrub.
> But none of these things is what they asked Jenn and her skell husband
> to do.
The questions were to prove a point.
Would you violate the law if they demanded you do so? You admitted that
yes you would do so.
Do you think this is good public policy?
> They asked them to stay clean and they could not do this for the sake
> of the children.
And nothing shows that she did not. The father is out of the equation.
So why remove the kids from HER?
>> All of these are just as illegal or immoral of demands as the ones
>> they do which violate the constitutional, civil, human, due process
>> and parental rights of the parents, children and family.
>>
>> I dare you to prove otherwise.
>
>
> I won without a gripe about anything you have said above.
Again, because you are wealthy, by your own admission. Nuff said.
> Only the guilty have to look for a hole in order to escape from.
Spoken like someone truly ignorant of what they are speaking of in this
context.
But unfortunately not that uncommon... far too common an ignorance if
you ask me.
It has been said, and I fully agree with it, that if the Bill of Rights
were put up to popular vote today not a single one would pass. Mainly
because of ignorant sots like yourself. You have become so complacent
and naive 200+ years after the reasons FOR these rights that you do not
see their need and value.... ESPECIALLY to the innocent. For the guilty
their rights being protected will not protect them from legitimate
consequences of their actions. Only from sloppy activity by the
government. It is the INNOCENT who depend day in and day out, whether
they are cognitive enough to realize it or not, on these rights.
> I walked through the front doors.
Bully for you. You willing to finance personally a competent private
atty for Jennifer and give her the benefits of wealth which were the
primary reason for your prevailing as you did, Chuck? Hmmmmm?
>>>> Jennifer: What drug showed up in the UA?
>>>> I personally make a HUGE distinction between
>>>> Marijuana and crack/Heroin/Meth.
>>>
>>> Wow, for a person who dont use drugs you have a distinction? How
>>> would you know what the effects are of any unless you have indulged?
>>
>> I have never jumped off the top of a skyscraper 80+ stories tall and
>> landed as gravity would have it on the pavement... but I have a
>> pretty good idea what the result would be, and that it would in all
>> likelyhood be quite different than falling off a 6 inch diameter rock.
>>
>> Your pathetic attempt at an argument is entirely laughable.
>
> The only thing pathetic is your attempt to defend yourself and the whore.
I am not under attack so need no defense. The whore? Who would that be
in reference to?
Your ad hominem in lieu of any cogent or legitimate response is duly
noted, Chuck.
>>>> Are they making a HUGE deal out of POT?
>>>
>>> It is illegal, no?
>>
>> So is jaywalking. So do you propose removing the kids of all
>> jaywalkers?
>
> Which poses a more imminent risk of harm to a child?
Depending on the specific circumstances either could, Chuck. Any
intelligent person could see that obviously. Why did you have to ask?
Millions of folks use drugs of all kinds every day and are no harm to
children... and every day people jaywalk in circumstances which put kids
at risk or in fact cause their injury or death.
It is becoming clearly apparent that you do not have the intellect to
keep up here... tell me... your wealth, was it earned, won or inherited?
With your clear lack if intellectual speed demonstrated here I would
find it hard to believe it is door number 1.
>>> I dont think they jump for joy if one is less the evil than the
>>> other. They are all on the list that will take your children away.
>>
>> The whim of Gestapo CPS goosesteppers is the only list for removal
>> that exists. You seem to have no problem with that. Why is that?
>
> Please show us that list of whim's.
The whims are as many and varied as the individual Gestapo CPS folks who
are exercising their personal power trips that day, Chuck.
> Is the hot pepper in the kids mouth whim on that?
Again typical non response from your like, Chuck... irrelevant attempt
at redirection in lieu of legitimate response. A very common critical
thinking flaw and logical fallacy.
You really should stop using such, for I tend to not be susceptible to
them... I merely point them out and in doing so undermine any
credibility you might once have had.
>>>> Or were heavier duty drugs in the UA?
>>>
>>> You just dont get it huh? Drugs is drugs Greggy Pooh.
>>
>> Yeah right... and 2 and 2 trillion are both numbers so they are equal.
>>
>> Yeah, anything you say, you Gestapo CPS Apologist nitwit.
>
> We know who the nitwit is.
We do? Simply by the statistics it is highly unlikely your intellect is
even half mine, Chuck. But you go right ahead and continue to support
my assessment, ok?
<chuckle>
> Are you constantly reminded of your failures as a parent?
What failures as a parent would these be, Chuck?
I have my kids. And I manage to do so without a huge bank account.
> There is clearly a difference between Marijuana and Heroin/Meth.
So what?
> Any sane person would know this.
Where, exactly, did I claim the two were equivalent, Chuck? Can you
present MY text, unalter and in context, which states such in this
discussion, Chuck?
Or are you at least honest enough to admit to your attempted dishonesty
here?
I guess time will tell, now won't it Chuck?
<chuckle>
> You clearly define yourself here.
Yes I do, Chuck... as someone who is intelligent, honest, knowledgable,
well educated and who stands up for what at least originally were the
cornerstornes of this nation... the constitutional, human, civil, due
process and parental rights of the citizens, the value of The Family,
the fact that government was to be limited and as nonintrusive into
private lives as possible instead of the bureaucratic tyranny we find
ourselfs under the bootheel of today.
What about you, Chuck?
<chuckle>
Neal Feldman
Also your characterization of her 'blowing off' the sham meeting with
Gestapo CPS continues to prove where your true sympathies lie.
She had to choose between a sham meeting and a meeting which if she
missed the family would lose their housing.
The correct way to put is,
if she didn't go to the Section 8 meeting she would lose her families
housing
and,
if she didn't go to the CPS meeting she would lose her family.
Why didn't the fa go to the housing meeting and Jennifer go to the CPS
meeting?
Your restatement changes nothing. It is still Hobson's Choice... no choice at all.
Something YOU are clearly unaware of apparently, or clearly do not seem
to care about if you ARE aware of it, is that ALL of DHS in Oregon is
now unified. Which means Gestapo CPS, part of DHS, is aware of housing,
part of DHS, and fully knew that the meetings would conflict... they
gave her a Hobson's choice... no choice at all.
How do you know CPS knew about the housing meeting?
Or does that supposition just bolster you BS?
We notice clearly that the CW, who was scheduling currently, did not in any way adjust the time of the meeting she was scheduling to allow for the fact that Jennifer could not make it as the originally requested time. Therefore the CW continued to schedule their meeting with full and completely knowledge, if only from Jennifer as the source, of the Housing meeting and how important that meeting was.
And while on the agreement with Gestapo CPS her leaving the county was clearly not prohibited (as underlined by a judge's ruling in court) not continuing to have adequate housing I will guarantee WAS part of the agreement.
So why didn't the caseworker alter the time to accommodate the meeting with Housing?
Think about that enough and intelligent objective people will see what I am getting at here, Delusional Dan.
It is typical of their
manipulative machinations. Create requirements that they, themselves,
make impossible to complete, and then blame their victims for
noncompliance. AFS (welfare) does it as well a great deal of the time.
You do make a great Gestapo CPS Apologist Sherman...
Sherman?
Again, unlike you Delusional Dan, if I make an error I admit it immediately upon it being brought to my attention. I do not, as you so often do, go to the bitter end in delusional denial never accepting or admitting to any misstatement, error or lie even when such are clearly and conclusively proven, often many different ways by many different people.
That is only one of the differences between us, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
restating the facts
in a completely twisted and misrepresentative way so as to make the
parents look as bad as you can while making the unreasonable actions of
Gestapo CPS seem as reasonable as you can. Standard Gestapo CPS
playbook tactics.Against the case workers request. While she was still on a service plan.The caseworker had no right to make the request. According to Jennifer
there was NOTHING in the service plan which gave the caseworker the
right to demand she not go to Klamath Falls. Do you know different?
What makes you think the service plan was still in effect?
So either you are basing your claims of the legitimacy of the demands of the caseworker on the service agreement or you are not.
Which is it, Delusional Dan?
A judge in a court already clearly ruled as Jennifer has stated she clearly had the right to travel within the state and outside of the specific county and that Gestapo CPS had no right to say Boo about it.
So on what are you basing your BS, Delusional Dan? Specificially please.
The CW told Jennifer that she would be part of the new decision that was
gonna be made at the CPS meeting.
The old plan was out when the fa and Jennifer no longer were in compliance
with it.
There is no service agreement without agreement by all parties.
And if the plan is not in effect then she cannot be held as not being in compliance with a plan that does not exist.
So which is it again, Delusional Dan? Either the plan continues to exist so she can be not in compliance with it but which does not restrict her travel within the state, or it does not exist in which case she cannot be held as being not in compliance with a nonexistant plan.
Which is it, Delusional Dan... You can only reasonably pick one option.
That's what the meeting was for.
That much is completely obvious.
<The rest of Delusional Dan's dishonesty, delusion and braying idiocy mercifully snipped.>
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
"Neal Feldman" <silve...@attbi.com > wrote in message news:3E5C12D8...@attbi.com ...It is all on my website, Sherm, which is linked at the bottom of all my posts.
----- Original Message -----From: Daniel SullivanTo: Sher manSent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:00 PMSubject: neal feldman
Hey Sherm,Ya gotta be careful with him especially if you go to his website.
ROTFLU!
<The rest of Delusional Dan's dishonesty, delusion and braying idiocy mercifully snipped.>
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
"Neal Feldman" <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3E5C1B37...@attbi.com...Loyal Fan wrote:Neal Feldman wrote:As usual, Delusional Dan advises to 'do whatever Gestapo CPS wants'.
Mr Extreme Capitulation.Thank God he exists. My child is safe and sound with me and my wife
and no thanks to the trolls who appear now and then like you.Troll? LOL. I am one of the first who ever posted in this newsgroup
you ignorant poltroon.
And Benedict Arnold was one of the America's first soldiers.
Note the similarities.
Again for any of your claims, this included, you continue to be 100% claim, 0% legitimate substantiation.
But I figured that out about you long ago, Delusional Dan. At this point I only need to point it out again.
<The rest of Delusional Dan's dishonesty, delusion and braying idiocy mercifully snipped.>
sherman
Sherman.
"Neal Feldman" <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3E5C12D8...@attbi.com...
> >>>>where he was placed before. So she stood up and asked the judge for
Dan Sullivan
<Famil...@free.all> wrote in message
news:20030225225313.518$D...@newsreader.com...
>
> Where is yours, dan? Hmmm?
Right here between my legs.
I'll show it to ya once yer wife gets her head out of the way.
She's doin me FOR FREE!!!
Dan
Famil...@free.all
"My apology... Chuck is Loyal Fan."
I thought dan had given them nick-names. Sperm and Sherm...see...it just
goes to show you...
Famil...@free.all
> Coward.
>
> Sherman.
Don't be afraid, She rman. (dan's just trying to scare you.) Go get a
huggie from your Mum. You took the first step in admitting your fear...Now
convince dan of his denial. It's your calling.
--
Famil...@free.all
convulted:
Yep, you sure have proved yourself! Thanks.
free_...@my-deja.com (aka)
>
> Dan
Dan Sullivan
> Dan Sullivan wrote:
>
> >Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3E5A2F1D...@attbi.com>...
> >
> >>As usual, Delusional Dan advises to 'do whatever Gestapo CPS wants'. Mr
> >>Extreme Capitulation.
> >>
> >
> >The termite speaks.
> >
> Call me whatever baseless and irrelevant term you like, Delusional Dan.
> My nickname for you has continued to be proven completely accurate and
> correct by your posts for years now.
>
> >>They yank the kids for no good reason
> >>
> >
> >CPS removed the children because their parents were no longer in
> >compliance with the safety plan.
> >
> Sorry but there is nothing to support that... credibly.
Sure there is, the fa turned in a dirty UA.
> They have not
> shown that the father presented, as would be perceived by a reasonable
> and unbiased person, any danger to the children between when they left
> on the trip and they returned to their hometown where the father had
> already been removed from the home.
The failure to comply started prior to the trip.
What they did from that point til the time Jennifer dropped the kids
off at the FPs makes no difference.
> So how, specifically, did she not comply with the safety plan Delusional
> Dan?
How is it you didn't go to court with her?
Too wasted on vicoden?
> >>And he supports them completely and wants you to do the same.
> >>
> >
> >I just want Jennifer to take the road of greatest success.
> >
> Ah yes... prior to a week ago you claimed she was totally following only
> your advice... my how things change quickly in your delusional
> fantasyland Delusional Dan.
Now she thanks you for your advice and she doesn't have her children
and probably never will again if she continues to listen to your crap.
> >>What a surprise... NOT.
> >>
> >>Again Gestapo CPS demands you take their word for everything (like there
> >>has never been a false positive on a test, we ARE talking ONE dirty UA
> >>here out of likely many) and again act in utter and complete anti-male
> >>paranoia.
> >>
> >
> >Jennifer never claimed the test was a false positive.
> >
> I never said she did.
And I didn't claim you did.
> Did you see my text saying she did? If so please
> present it, in context, Delusional Dan, ok?
???
> >She did say she believed he only used a small amount.
> >
> And her basis for this was that he had evidenced no signs of usage,
> signs she would clearly have recognized.
Or have lied about if she was using drugs along with him, right?
> >Spit the sawdust out of yer mouth and try something else, neal.
> >
> No sawdust in my mouth, Delusional Dan. You continue to delude yourself
> into the firm belief that if you say it then it must be true not because
> you only speak the truth (as you have proven to be a liar more times
> than can be easily tabulated) but because you have the delusion that if
> you say it it must be truth simply because you said it.
>
> This aspect of you has been exposed a great many times here, Delusional Dan.
>
> >>If the guy is using again he should be gone anyway... but now that he is
> >>gone what is the basis for keeping the kids from you?
> >>
> >
> >The failure to comply with the safety plan and the fact that she took
> >off WITH the offender and the children in spite of being told not to
> >go...
> >
> Again, Delusional Dan, her going to Klamath Falls was entirely within
> her rights as she stated a judge in a court had already ruled on that
> issue.
That statement was made prior to their failure to comply.
If a judge was asked that question knowing that the safety plan was
violated do you really think he would have told them it was OK to go?
You are one dumb bastard.
Your persistence in disregarding the fact that the situation was
completely changed after the dirty UA proves you don't care what
happens to Jennifer.
> As such the caseworker was completely OUTSIDE any legitimate
> rights and authority in making such a demand for her not to go.
Unfortunately CPS' opinion differs from yours.
And it's their opinion that matters.
Dan
Dan Sullivan
> Dan Sullivan wrote:
>
> >Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3E5A34D...@attbi.com>...
> >
> >>Dan Sullivan wrote:
> >>
> >>>Or are ya waiting for whatsisname to rise from the dead and tell you to
> >>>fight CPS tooth and nail?
> >>>
> >>Rise from the dead, Delusional Dan? I am not dead.
> >>
> >
> >Why yer kids haven't killed you yet, I have no idea.
> >
> Clearly because you operate from a factset outside of reality and that
> only exists within the delusional fantasyland between your ears,
> Delusional Dan.
>
> It would see a great deal of reality is beyond your comprehension for
> much the same reason, as well as due to your clear lack of intellect.
Ya snipped off the best part, neal!
Wassa matta? Does it STILL HURT?????
> I enter when I wish
> to. But I do find your constant insane ravings to be quite amusing.
I found the fact that your own father whipped you throughout your
childhood with a belt hard enough to cause "bleeding welts" amusing
too.
It explains so much about you.
And why you treat your girls the way you do.
Are ya still buying them used underwear at yard sales?
Have ya given up on the red pepper punishment?
Dan
Loyal Fan
Neal Feldman wrote:
>
>
> Loyal Fan wrote:
>
>> Hi Linda,
>>
>> Fight CPS And Win wrote:
>>
>>>> Honestly, I spoke with Dan today, he called to check on me, the wife
>>>> and
>>>> the baby. He mentioned you were going to court today, he was hoping for
>>>> you and wishing the best for you.
>>>>
>>>> You smack him in the face like this? What wrong with us people? You
>>>> mean
>>>> the ones who have been here and dont crawl out of the woodwork?
>>>>
>>>> Wake up kid, you're asleep at the wheel.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What are you saying? You think she should sign a service plan or
>>> stipulation instead of fighting for freedom from the system?
>>
>>
>>
>> You need to read the whole story about Jennifer and her troubles with
>> cps. To brief you....
>
>
> I assure you that Linda is fully aware of all the facts presented in
> Jennifer's case.
Can Linda also speak for herself? She seems pretty capable.
>
>> She got custody of her children back year, Hubby agreed to UA testing.
>> He came up dirty last week. CPS informed her about the dirty test and
>> the next day she blew a meeting off with them and left the county with
>> the husband and children for a visit a few hundred miles away.
>
>
> Sorry, nitwit, but the state of Oregon is not big enough for her to have
> gone 'a few hundred miles away'... and the distance is irrelevant anyway.
Well flaky, she said she broke down on her way down, she was still 100
miles from home. Not counting how far they already had traveled before
they got stuck. Maybe it was ten miles maybe it was 50.
Maybe they didnt go to grandmas house at all.
So if your saying she's a liar, I could a told you that. They were her
words not mine. I didnt ask the distance, she divulged it.
Really dont matter anyway how far she drove. She didnt show when they
wanted her to.
She was just as instrumental as her husband was in orchestrating the
kids departure.
Personally I couldn't care if the two meth heads drove off a cliff. I
would light my cig off one of the firestones. The kids are safer now
than they ever were.
She's worried about housing and her husband is spending the money on
meth? I would have been a lot more pissed than just putting him out in
the street. He would have went out in pieces. I would have asked the
cops to open the door with his head on the way out.
Thats the difference between a mother who loves her children and a
junkie with a finger in her ass.
Its the difference between a dad like Dan who respects his kids and a
loser like you who puts hot pepper in his kids mouths.
> Also your characterization of her 'blowing off' the sham meeting with
> Gestapo CPS continues to prove where your true sympathies lie.
>
> She had to choose between a sham meeting and a meeting which if she
> missed the family would lose their housing.
>
> Something YOU are clearly unaware of apparently, or clearly do not seem
> to care about if you ARE aware of it, is that ALL of DHS in Oregon is
> now unified. Which means Gestapo CPS, part of DHS, is aware of housing,
> part of DHS, and fully knew that the meetings would conflict... they
> gave her a Hobson's choice... no choice at all.
Maybe thats why they waited 3-4 days to tell Jennifer. Maybe they had a
plan to help her. Maybe she could have attended and asked them to call
over there and explain the situation. Maybe she could have asked for a
letter saying she was there.
She had choices. She couldn't keep both meetings? She couldn't arrange a
meeting with cps as soon as her housing appt was over?
You mean her husband couldn't go to the housing meeting while she was at
cps? His job dont afford him a vacation day or a few hours off?
I hope you never considered becoming a defense lawyer.
It is typical of their
> manipulative machinations. Create requirements that they, themselves,
> make impossible to complete, and then blame their victims for
> noncompliance. AFS (welfare) does it as well a great deal of the time.
Would have been nice if the CW just kept her schedule open all day for
her huh?
>
> You do make a great Gestapo CPS Apologist Sherman... restating the facts
> in a completely twisted and misrepresentative way so as to make the
> parents look as bad as you can while making the unreasonable actions of
> Gestapo CPS seem as reasonable as you can. Standard Gestapo CPS
> playbook tactics.
Maybe we are all just being realistic about it. CPS dont make things
impossible. Inconvenient, yes. Its not like you have to sneak into
Russia and steal some satellite photos Neal. You just follow the plan.
>
>> Against the case workers request. While she was still on a service plan.
>
>
> The caseworker had no right to make the request. According to Jennifer
> there was NOTHING in the service plan which gave the caseworker the
> right to demand she not go to Klamath Falls. Do you know different?
I know better. When cps already had the kids once before you can bet
your sweet ass I would be all ears when they called. I wouldn't want
that hell again.
And they called to tell her the fa pissed dirty and they wanted a
meeting to discuss it.
I am sure the CW didnt want her going to K Falls let alone Walmart if it
was going to be with the husband while he was driving.
So they had good reason to request she not go. But then, she wouldn't
have had three days to clean out her system.
Provide me with his mothers number to verify she needed them because she
was sick. I will bet you anything its a completely different story.
There's her truth, cps's truth, and the truth thats right in the middle.
>
>> The hubby broke his end of the agreement by using again, she endorsed
>> his behavior by going with him and taking the children.
>
>
> Nothing in her actions 'endorsed' any drug use on the part of the father.
Sure she did. Maybe falling short of handing the keys to the car to him.
He tested dirty, had drugs in his system. She went along for the ride
and took the kids.
Whats next? You want to argue that if driving with meth in your system
was illegal there should be signs on the highway that say "No Meth and
Driving"?
$10 says he hit the meth again right after he knew he was busted by cps.
$100 says he brought some with him for the trip.
>
>> Fight the system? She was in the system.
>
>
> So? What does that have to do with her rights, Sherm?
Are you calling me Sherm or am I missing something you snipped? You
having trouble with who your arguing a point with? Dont go kooky on us
now Neal.
>
>> She needed to comply with the system and she would have gotten them
>> off her back.
>
>
> Obviously not, for it was he, not she, who did not comply with the
> agreement. There was nothing apparently in the agreement stating she
> could not travel to Klamath Falls...
Guess there is no sense beating a dead horse about this trip.
there was nothing in the agreement
> that she skip a meeting which would have resulted in loss of housing,
> which IS something likely on the agreement... and there was nothing in
> the agreement about her being required to be omniscient... and nothing
> in the agreement that stated she no longer had the constitutional,
> human, civil, due process and parental rights which are guaranteed to
> all under the law.
Talk about law. What the law about driving under the influence of a
narcotic? Dont really matter if your high at the time the cops pull you
over or when you have an accident, its just what they find in your system.
My point is, the test dont say how much you used or when you used. Only
that you used.
>
>> Did I mention that on this weekend trip, on her return home, the car
>> broke down and they spent another three days at a motel?
>
>
> Again so what, Sherm? Bad things happen.
Its getting insulting now Neal. Its me, Loyal Fan. Earth to Neal come in
over.
3 days to clean that urine out. Amazing how its so consistent with time
for the drug to leave your system.
If I were the case worker I would ask for the receipt from the repair
shop she claimed did the work. I would definitely verify the duration of
the repair. But thats where case workers fail in the investigations and
come up so short.
>
>> She never called the case worker to tell them what happened.
>
>
> Why bother? Was she required to under the specific notations in the
> agreement? Highly doubtful. And the caseworker has already proven to
> be 'the enemy' so why would any sane person do as you claim she should
> have done? Eh Sherm?
Communication? When you know whats coming? A terrible thing I guess,
being voluntarily cooperative with someone itching to take your kids
away. Shit, why be cooperative and show them your kids are your utmost
concern.
Your psoriasis caking up in your brain Neal?
Me no Sherm. You Neal, Me Chuck, Loyal Fan. We on same page now?
>
>> So they got a family on a service plan, a father who is violating the
>> plan by using again and mother who is driving around with him with the
>> kids.
>
>
> Again, Sherm, nice twisting and misrepresenting of the facts, but you
> are in true Gestapo CPS Apologist form...
Gee, did I misrepresent? Tell me what the facts are. She posted what
happened and thats what I am going by. Maybe you have a different
version of the story. CPS client flunkies normally have numerous
conflicting stories to save thier ass.
And you cant get the name right so why not just call me GCPSA. Ok?
your keepers at Gestapo CPS
> must be so proud of you.
Oh they just love me! Maybe I can send you a copy of the transcript from
court. You can read all the lovely things they testified I said about
them during my visits.
You ever ask your case worker for a picture of herself so you can hang
it on your dart board?
You just think it in terms of one way or the other. For or against,
nothing in between. Well sorry flaky, thats me. Mr. Understanding. On
the fence looking both ways. Its why I learn and succeed.
> Do your lips ever leave their anus, Sherm?
Sure, 7 days ago today. Walked right out that door with full legal and
physical custody. But that was easy to do with alot of help I got from
good people like Dan and a few others here.
The hard part was weeding through the scum like you who filthy this
group with ranting and raving.
> <chuckle>
Hey you like to laugh? Wanna hear a joke? What cant you say at Neals
house during dinner time in front of the kids?
Can you pass the pepper!
Did you think that was funny? I bet your kids dont.
Fight CPS And Win
> The Service Plan/ Safety Plan is in force and has been. There is nothing
> for her to sign, Linda. It's over. She and the father did not comply
with
> it. That is simple. the caseworker further ordered her to not remove the
> children from her jurisdiction and she defied them. This doesn't work.
> Right or wrong does not count. The children are GONE!
The caseworkers are on a power trip and violated her parental rights. The
children weren't in any immediate danger and they had no right to force them
into a fosterincarceration facility.
Not only is it a violation of the rights of mother and children to be
together, its a waste of tax and social security fund money. Anyone who
pays taxes in the USA should be outraged at this kind of government abuse of
families and waste of taxpayer and social security contributor money!
> she decided that she herself would determine the what's
> and wherefore's of her drugging husband.
So what's wrong with adults acting like adults and making the decisions they
believe are most reasonable?
Linda
--
Fight CPS And Win
http://www.fightcps.com
Neal Feldman
In what way am I allegedly a coward?
You asked a question, and I answered it.
I guess that just makes you an idiot.
But we already knew that, now didn't we?
<chuckle>
Neal Feldman
Ah well.. thanks again for the further proof.
<chuckle>
Neal Feldman
Ah well... just typical for Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3E5C2FCB...@attbi.com>...Dan Sullivan wrote:Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3E5A2F1D...@attbi.com>...As usual, Delusional Dan advises to 'do whatever Gestapo CPS wants'. Mr
Extreme Capitulation.The termite speaks.Call me whatever baseless and irrelevant term you like, Delusional Dan.
My nickname for you has continued to be proven completely accurate and
correct by your posts for years now.They yank the kids for no good reasonCPS removed the children because their parents were no longer in
compliance with the safety plan.Sorry but there is nothing to support that... credibly.
Sure there is, the fa turned in a dirty UA.
As such there is nothing to support that, Delusional Dan.
Additionally there was nothing in the stated safety plan which precluded her visiting Klamath Falls. Additionally there was nothing in the safety plan requiring her to lose housing to attent a sham meeting.
If you claim otherwise, Delusional Dan, please support your claim with evidence instead of more of your baseless and unfounded pap, ok?
<chuckle>
They have not
shown that the father presented, as would be perceived by a reasonable
and unbiased person, any danger to the children between when they left
on the trip and they returned to their hometown where the father had
already been removed from the home.
The failure to comply started prior to the trip.
The father is out of the equation and as such a non-issue.
What they did from that point til the time Jennifer dropped the kids
off at the FPs makes no difference.
So how, specifically, did she not comply with the safety plan Delusional
Dan?
How is it you didn't go to court with her?
And as usual your question is entirely specious and ludicrous anyway.
Ah, yes... took you less than 12 hours to prove me entirely right about you, Delusional Dan. Thank you for proving once again what a desperate cretin you are, and how you clearly cannot form a cogent or coherent argument to support your insanity and dishonesty so you resort to the likes of this... yet again.Too wasted on vicoden?
Ah well... how typical of the general offensiveness that is Delusional Dan.
Also further proof of Delusional Dan's continuing inaccuracy and inability to read apparently... as I clearly stated in the post he is so unsubtly referring to I do not take Vicodin.
But the truth does not matter to the obsessed liar and admitted Gestapo CPS Apologist Delusional Dan when he makes his impotent and feeble pathetic little jabs... never has, likely never will.
Ah well....
<chuckle>
And he supports them completely and wants you to do the same.I just want Jennifer to take the road of greatest success.Ah yes... prior to a week ago you claimed she was totally following only
your advice... my how things change quickly in your delusional
fantasyland Delusional Dan.
Now she thanks you for your advice and she doesn't have her children
and probably never will again if she continues to listen to your crap.
Delusional Dan is clearly paranoid and desperately afraid of folks knowing and defending their rights as he has proven himself to be of my website that he feels a compulsion to lie repeatedly and voluminously in order to try and scare people to his side of support for Gestapo CPS.
Quite telling indeed.
<chuckle>
What a surprise... NOT.
Again Gestapo CPS demands you take their word for everything (like there
has never been a false positive on a test, we ARE talking ONE dirty UA
here out of likely many) and again act in utter and complete anti-male
paranoia.Jennifer never claimed the test was a false positive.I never said she did.
And I didn't claim you did.
Did you see my text saying she did? If so please
present it, in context, Delusional Dan, ok?
???
<chuckle>
She did say she believed he only used a small amount.And her basis for this was that he had evidenced no signs of usage,
signs she would clearly have recognized.
Or have lied about if she was using drugs along with him, right?
Ah Delusional Dan, you have yet to figure out you have clearly proven that with 'friends' like you no one has any need of enemies.
<chuckle>
Spit the sawdust out of yer mouth and try something else, neal.No sawdust in my mouth, Delusional Dan. You continue to delude yourself
into the firm belief that if you say it then it must be true not because
you only speak the truth (as you have proven to be a liar more times
than can be easily tabulated) but because you have the delusion that if
you say it it must be truth simply because you said it.
This aspect of you has been exposed a great many times here, Delusional Dan.If the guy is using again he should be gone anyway... but now that he is
gone what is the basis for keeping the kids from you?The failure to comply with the safety plan and the fact that she took
off WITH the offender and the children in spite of being told not to
go...Again, Delusional Dan, her going to Klamath Falls was entirely within
her rights as she stated a judge in a court had already ruled on that
issue.
That statement was made prior to their failure to comply.
If a judge was asked that question knowing that the safety plan was
violated do you really think he would have told them it was OK to go?
You cannot undo a ruling by sheer assumption as you seem to wish to do, Delusional Dan.
You are one dumb bastard.
<chuckle>
Nice to also see you continue your tendancy, when continually proven wrong, proven to be a liar and proven to be nothing but a blathering mouthpiece and apologist for Gestapo CPS, to increase your unnecessary use of profanity in your posts.
Typical, however, considering you have admitted by thay your own standards Gestapo CPS has clear and convincing evidence that you have sexually abused your own young son, Delusional Dan.
So, Delusional Dan, have you stopped raping six year old boys yet? Hmmmmm?
<chuckle>
Your persistence in disregarding the fact that the situation was
completely changed after the dirty UA proves you don't care what
happens to Jennifer.
My persistence is in dealing with the facts, Delusional Dan, and nothing changed for no new court orders were issues subsequent to the dirty UA and prior to the new kidnapping of the children from Jennifer.
It is clearly YOU, Delusional Dan, who demonstrate the persistance in disregarding all the facts pointed out simply because you do not like them, do not like the presenter, and/or they do not support your Gestapo CPS Apologist position and agenda.
You demonstrate that quite clearly indeed, Delusional Dan.
As such the caseworker was completely OUTSIDE any legitimate
rights and authority in making such a demand for her not to go.
Unfortunately CPS' opinion differs from yours.
This does not make me wrong, Delusional Dan... it makes them wrong.
But since you are their delusional admitted apologist who seems incapable of telling the truth or conversing legitimately, reasonably, rationally, logically or honestly, I would not expect you to comprehend this.
<chuckle>
Oh, Delusional Dan, Herr Goebbels would have LOVED you dearly!
ROTFLU!
Dan Sullivan
"Fight CPS And Win" <no-spam...@fightcps.com> wrote in message
news:v5pjbcj...@corp.supernews.com...
> Sherm wrote:
> > The Service Plan/ Safety Plan is in force and has been. There is
nothing
> > for her to sign, Linda. It's over. She and the father did not comply
> with
> > it. That is simple. the caseworker further ordered her to not remove
the
> > children from her jurisdiction and she defied them. This doesn't work.
> > Right or wrong does not count. The children are GONE!
>
> The caseworkers are on a power trip and violated her parental rights. The
> children weren't in any immediate danger and they had no right to force
them
> into a fosterincarceration facility.
The children were in the legal custody of CPS.
The fa turned in a dirty UA.
The parents were no longer in compliance with CPS' safety plan.
Would the next step not have been to see the children face to face to be
sure they were OK?
And for CPS to see if the mother breeched the agreement by using drugs
again, too?
Would you have expected CPS to simply make a phone call to Jennifer to give
her the bad news and let it go at that?
How long would you have wanted CPS to wait before doing a thorough check on
Jennifer and the kids?
Was the phone call sufficient?
Should it have ended there?
I know your not here to argue, Linda.
I'm just asking questions... you don't have to answer.
> Not only is it a violation of the rights of mother and children to be
> together, its a waste of tax and social security fund money. Anyone who
> pays taxes in the USA should be outraged at this kind of government abuse
of
> families and waste of taxpayer and social security contributor money!
>
> > she decided that she herself would determine the what's
> > and wherefore's of her drugging husband.
>
> So what's wrong with adults acting like adults and making the decisions
they
> believe are most reasonable?
Adults acting like adults?
Are you not aware that it was Jennoifer's drug use NOT THE FA's that cause
her children to be removed the first time?
Are you not aware that Jennifer used meth just prior to going to the
hospital to give birth to her twins?
Are you not aware that relapses are EXPECTED?
I believe three relapses are the norm.
And even if Jennifer wasn't on a relapse, she should have gone in to CPS,
shown herself to be clean, and concerned for the wellbeing of her children
and done what she had to do to keep her children with her!
Was that too much to ask?
Should CPS have waited for their regular monthly visit to discover if the
children were OK or possibly find the mother fried to the gills on crystal?
Is Jennifer a fountain of good decisions?
Not the way she's goin these days.
I know what CPS would like to see her do... and it isn't pointing her finger
at them.
CPS even went so far as to GIVE Jennifer $800 for kids stuff just before the
kids came home.
They even gave her MORE money since the kids went home when things got tight
for her financially.
Jennifer had people at CPS who went beyond the call to help her with her
children.
And then she ignores their instructions when she should have gone straight
back to them for the help that they had no problem giving her.
CPS didn't change directions... Jennifer did.
And look where she is today.
Can ya get Section 8 housing in Oregon if you don't have children?
If ya can't and Jennifer knew that, and she knew CPS would remove the
children if she didn't make their meeting, what was the point of going to
the Section 8 meeting? To scam them into thinking there were children in the
family when she knew the kids would be gone in a few days?
Jennifer is putting bandaids on a heart attack.
Best, Dan
Neal Feldman
Loyal Fan wrote:
>
>
> Neal Feldman wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Loyal Fan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Linda,
>>>
>>> Fight CPS And Win wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Honestly, I spoke with Dan today, he called to check on me, the
>>>>> wife and
>>>>> the baby. He mentioned you were going to court today, he was
>>>>> hoping for
>>>>> you and wishing the best for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> You smack him in the face like this? What wrong with us people?
>>>>> You mean
>>>>> the ones who have been here and dont crawl out of the woodwork?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wake up kid, you're asleep at the wheel.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What are you saying? You think she should sign a service plan or
>>>> stipulation instead of fighting for freedom from the system?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You need to read the whole story about Jennifer and her troubles
>>> with cps. To brief you....
>>
>>
>>
>> I assure you that Linda is fully aware of all the facts presented in
>> Jennifer's case.
>
>
> Can Linda also speak for herself? She seems pretty capable.
Well, Chuck, if you wanted only Linda to respond you should have used
EMAIL instead of a PUBLIC NEWSGROUP POST to which ANYONE has the right
to reply...
Too late to whine about your inadequecies regarding you knowledge of the
internet now, Chuck.
<chuckle>
>>> She got custody of her children back year, Hubby agreed to UA
>>> testing. He came up dirty last week. CPS informed her about the
>>> dirty test and the next day she blew a meeting off with them and
>>> left the county with the husband and children for a visit a few
>>> hundred miles away.
>>
>> Sorry, nitwit, but the state of Oregon is not big enough for her to
>> have gone 'a few hundred miles away'... and the distance is
>> irrelevant anyway.
>
>
> Well flaky, she said she broke down on her way down, she was still 100
> miles from home.
So? Your lack of skill with logic is continuing to be aptly
demonstrated as is your penchant for unfounded attacks. You have
demonstrated yourself here to be a nitwit... I have continued to point
out how. You, OTOH, have yet to show me to be a flake... just that I
disagree with your slavish devotion to Gestapo CPS.
> Not counting how far they already had traveled before they got stuck.
> Maybe it was ten miles maybe it was 50.
Could have been either or neither yet you ASS/U/me that it was in excess
of 200 miles. I guess you have no problem pulling your nonsense out of
thin air without anything to support you... you seem to do it a lot in
your other positions as well, Chuck.
> Maybe they didnt go to grandmas house at all.
See what I mean?
> So if your saying she's a liar, I could a told you that.
Excuse me? Where did I say she was a liar? That is your claim, not
mine, Chuck.
Please do not continue your apparent penchant for lying by attempting to
apply your straw men to me. Not only is it rude but it is also
completely ineffective since I will just point it out immediately as I
have here which only continues to prove you are as delusional and
dishonest a moron as Delusional Dan with just as little credibility, Chuck.
<chuckle>
> They were her words not mine. I didnt ask the distance, she divulged it.
She divulged one hundred miles. You were the one who stated several
hundren miles referring to over 300 miles. Those were YOUR words,
Chuck, and those are the words being discussed at this point.
> Really dont matter anyway how far she drove.
Then if that is the case why did you feel such a desperate need to
dishonestly exaggerate the number to try and make her look bad, huh Chuck?
> She didnt show when they wanted her to.
So what? That has nothing to do with the trip. It has to do with her
not wanting to lose housing.
> She was just as instrumental as her husband was in orchestrating the
> kids departure.
Nowhere in the service plan as presented is the requirement that she
lose housing to attend sham meetings. If you can prove otherwise,
Chuck, then do so.... until then your unsubstantiated blatherings are as
irrelevant as you are.
And wipe your chin... the froth is dripping again.
<chuckle>
> Personally I couldn't care if the two meth heads drove off a cliff. I
> would light my cig off one of the firestones. The kids are safer now
> than they ever were.
Again denying reality and making it up as you go, eh Chuck? No wonder
you support Delusional Dan... you clearly are just as dishonest and
delusional in your Gestapo CPS Apologist ravings as he is.
No evidence that Jennifer is using yet you have no problem categorizing
her as a 'crack head'.
Clear evidence presented as to the gross trauma and harm Gestapo CPS
(not anyone else, just them) has caused these kids yet you continue to
present your clear hatred of parents and disdain for the wellbeing of
children in your delusional praising of your Great Ghod Nanny State and
one of its most offensive enforcement arms, Gestapo CPS.
Thank you for painting such a great picture of yourself for all parents
here to see, Chuck.
I could not have done it without your able assistance in this regard.
<chuckle>
> She's worried about housing and her husband is spending the money on
> meth?
Again, nitwit, she did not know he was spending money on meth. Do you
have proof otherwise? Clearly your head is so far up your anus you have
vanished from sight completely.
Yes she was concerned with her continued housing, as she stated. Are
you saying a parent should not be, Chuck?
> I would have been a lot more pissed than just putting him out in the
> street. He would have went out in pieces. I would have asked the cops
> to open the door with his head on the way out.
So what, Chuck? And then Gestapo CPS would have taken the kids because
of your violence. Great plan, 'genius'.
ROTFLU!
> Thats the difference between a mother who loves her children and a
> junkie with a finger in her ass.
No, Chuck... that is the difference between reasonable folks and idiots
such as yourself.
But thank you for your increasing use of profanity.
Can you prove, at this point, Chuck, that you in fact exist and are not
just another fabricated figment of Delusional Dan created to try and
bolster his sagging ego and lack of support in this newsgroup?
Just curious.
The similarities are just far too jarring.
And it is not like no one else has made this apparent connection.
<chuckle>
> Its the difference between a dad like Dan who respects his kids and a
> loser like you who puts hot pepper in his kids mouths.
Respects his kids by sexually abusing them?
ROTFLU!
And your shrill shrieking continues I see.
>> Also your characterization of her 'blowing off' the sham meeting with
>> Gestapo CPS continues to prove where your true sympathies lie.
>>
>> She had to choose between a sham meeting and a meeting which if she
>> missed the family would lose their housing.
>>
>> Something YOU are clearly unaware of apparently, or clearly do not
>> seem to care about if you ARE aware of it, is that ALL of DHS in
>> Oregon is now unified. Which means Gestapo CPS, part of DHS, is
>> aware of housing, part of DHS, and fully knew that the meetings would
>> conflict... they gave her a Hobson's choice... no choice at all.
>
>
> Maybe thats why they waited 3-4 days to tell Jennifer. Maybe they had
> a plan to help her. Maybe she could have attended and asked them to
> call over there and explain the situation. Maybe she could have asked
> for a letter saying she was there.
Maybe maybe maybe... you are all about unfounded suppositions,
assumptions and baseless claims, now aren't you Chuck?
Why should she attend the sham meeting and call over to housing? She
already explained the situation to the Gestapo CPS caseworker who could
have easily set a DIFFERENT time for the new meeting considering the
importance of the EXISTING scheduled meeting.
You just keep glossing by that one, Chuck... why is that?
Sorry but why should she play roulette with her family's housing to
attend a sham meeting which clearly was just to get her in so they could
kidnap her kids on the spot?
That is how Gestapo CPS operates, Chuck... they have a long and well
documented track record in this regard.
That you choose to deny reality in this is entirely your prerogative...
but it is unreasonable for you to expect others to do so to their detriment.
> She had choices.
Hobson's choice.
> She couldn't keep both meetings? She couldn't arrange a meeting with
> cps as soon as her housing appt was over?
Clearly not, because she tried and the Gestapo CPS caseworker clearly
would not change the time of their meeting. That was already said, Chuck.
> You mean her husband couldn't go to the housing meeting while she was
> at cps?
Apparently not, Chuck.
> His job dont afford him a vacation day or a few hours off?
Apparently irrelevant question, Chuck.
> I hope you never considered becoming a defense lawyer.
Why not? I have had absolutely no trouble tearing your unsubstantiated,
factless, clueless and baseless blather to shreds, Chuck.
<chuckle>
>> It is typical of their manipulative machinations. Create
>> requirements that they, themselves, make impossible to complete, and
>> then blame their victims for noncompliance. AFS (welfare) does it as
>> well a great deal of the time.
>
>
> Would have been nice if the CW just kept her schedule open all day for
> her huh?
Would have been legitimate if she took into account the schedules of
those who she actually WANTED to attend when she scheduled the meeting,
Chuck. No need to keep it open all day... just schedule the meeting at
a time that did not conflict with a necessary appointment. Easily done,
but yet not done... which demonstrates that the caseworker in fact did
not want Jennifer to attend the meeting... which she would then try and
use against Jennifer, or attend the meeting and loser her housing and
give the caseworker the opportunity to kidnap the children at that
time... either way, to the view of the manipulative caseworker, Jennifer
would lose.
That is how these cretins operate. Again, Chuck, they have a LONG and
well documented record of this.
>> You do make a great Gestapo CPS Apologist Sherman... restating the
>> facts in a completely twisted and misrepresentative way so as to make
>> the parents look as bad as you can while making the unreasonable
>> actions of Gestapo CPS seem as reasonable as you can. Standard
>> Gestapo CPS playbook tactics.
>
> Maybe we are all just being realistic about it.
Realistic? You consider twisting and misrepresenting the facts in such
a way as to make the parents look as bad as you can while making the
unreasonable actions of Gestapo CPS seem as reasonable as you can to be
'being realistic''?
*choke* *BJ* *choke*
> CPS dont make things impossible.
In this case they did. And they have a long record of doing so.
One nice article about this is from http://www.liftingtheveil.org and
can be found at http://www.liftingtheveil.org/reunification.htm
> Inconvenient, yes. Its not like you have to sneak into Russia and
> steal some satellite photos Neal. You just follow the plan.
You just continue to refuse to face the facts Chuck. That is a symptom
of a delusional state.
>>> Against the case workers request. While she was still on a service
>>> plan.
>>
>> The caseworker had no right to make the request. According to
>> Jennifer there was NOTHING in the service plan which gave the
>> caseworker the right to demand she not go to Klamath Falls. Do you
>> know different?
>
>
> I know better.
You do, huh Chuck? And where do you get this mystical knowledge from, eh?
<chuckle>
> When cps already had the kids once before you can bet your sweet ass I
> would be all ears when they called. I wouldn't want that hell again.
Your abject terror and sheepdom is irrelevant, Chuck. I stated clearly
that the Gestapo CPS caseworker had no right to make the request. A
judge had already in court confirmed this. You claim you 'know better'
yet nothing in your response credibly challenges or disproves in any way
the statement you are responding to.
I never claimed the caseworker lacked the physical ability to verbally
utter the words of the request, Chuck... just that she had no right to
make such a request in her official capacity.
Now if you are finished with your attempt at redirection would you care
to get back to the point and respond to my actual statement, Chuck?
<chuckle>
> And they called to tell her the fa pissed dirty and they wanted a
> meeting to discuss it.
What was to discuss? Clearly you and Delusiona Dan and the long and
well documented history of Gestapo CPS show the meeting was nothing but
a sham. What, exactly, would have been 'discussed'? The father being
out of the house? Already done prior to Gestapo CPS sending their thugs
to kidnap the children at gunpoint.
As such where is the legitimate basis for removal, Chuck?
Her going to the meeting would not travel back in time... would not make
the dirty UA of the father vanish.
> I am sure the CW didnt want her going to K Falls let alone Walmart if
> it was going to be with the husband while he was driving.
1) Jennifer never said the father was driving.
2) Jennifer was fully within her rights, as reiterated by a judge in
court, to go to Klamath Falls.
3) Nothing in the service agreement prevented this.
4) the wants and desires of the caseworker and her personal power trips
are entirely irrelevant.
> So they had good reason to request she not go.
So you claim... if it was such a good reason they should have gotten a
court order to counter the court order which existed stating she DID
have a right to go. They did not do this. Deal with it.
> But then, she wouldn't have had three days to clean out her system.
Ah yes, the continued fabricated unfounded and baseless accusations.
Typical of your ilk... since you have no facts, logic, reason or
intellect to back up your position you resort to this.
All too typical.
<chuckle>
> Provide me with his mothers number to verify she needed them because
> she was sick.
I do not know the number and why should she provide an enemy of her
self, kids and family as you have so clearly proven yourself to be with
any private information such as that, Chuck?
You must think she is as stupid as you demonstrate yourself to be.
<chuckle>
> I will bet you anything its a completely different story.
I will bet you anything that even if she provided such, you called, and
her recounting was completely corroborated you would continue to deny
reality, and just wallow in your delusions and lies and make your
unfounded and baseless accusations as you have continued to prove is
your apparent penchant, Chuck.
> There's her truth, cps's truth, and the truth thats right in the middle.
Sorry, Chuck, but there is only truth.
Gestapo CPS' lies, and the lies of their apologists such as yourself,
usually are nowhere near it.
>>> The hubby broke his end of the agreement by using again, she
>>> endorsed his behavior by going with him and taking the children.
>>
>> Nothing in her actions 'endorsed' any drug use on the part of the
>> father.
>
>
> Sure she did.
So you keep claiming... but you remain 100% unfounded claim, 0% credible
substantiation, Chuck.
Ah well...
<chuckle>
> Maybe falling short of handing the keys to the car to him. He tested
> dirty, had drugs in his system. She went along for the ride and took
> the kids.
She went on a planned vacation and took the kids. She was entirely
within her rights to do so. Nothing in this substantiates credibly your
claim that she 'endorsed' drug use on the part of the father, Chuck. If
you actually think it does then you are more demented than even I have
given you credit for.
<chuckle>
> Whats next? You want to argue that if driving with meth in your system
> was illegal there should be signs on the highway that say "No Meth and
> Driving"?
Why would I argue such, Chuck? Having meth in his system is already
illegal. Signs do not alter this fact one way or another.
However there is nothing in her statement that says he drove at all.
And even if he did that only means she condoned his driving... and
merely having something in your system to a detectable degree does not
automatically equate to impairment, Chuck.
But still none of this would substantiate credibly your claim that she
'endorsed' the drug use of the father.
Please show where you claim such proof is, because it appears to be
completely absent from your bleatings, Chuck.
<chuckle>
> $10 says he hit the meth again right after he knew he was busted by cps.
Facts not in evidence, Chuck... facts not in evidence. You do seem to
have quite the problem with that and your unfounded and baseless
assumptions and claims, don't you Chuck?
<chuckle>
> $100 says he brought some with him for the trip.
Again facts not in evidence, Chuck... facts not in evidence. You do
seem to have quite the problem with that and your unfounded and baseless
assumptions and claims, don't you Chuck?
<chuckle>
>>> Fight the system? She was in the system.
>>
>> So? What does that have to do with her rights, Sherm?
>
> Are you calling me Sherm or am I missing something you snipped? You
> having trouble with who your arguing a point with? Dont go kooky on us
> now Neal.
I erroneously referred to you as Sherm. I have no problem accepting
that and I have attempted to keep the Gestapo CPS Apologists delineated,
Chuck.
But your feeble attempt at redirection is duly noted. Where is your
response to the actual statement I made instead of just the irrelevancy?
I already in a response to Delusional Dan yesterday dealth with the
misstatement of Sherm instead of Chuck. So why do you feel so desperate
to continue gnawing on a dead bone, Chuck?
Nothing better to say?
Hmmmmm?
>>> She needed to comply with the system and she would have gotten them
>>> off her back.
>>
>> Obviously not, for it was he, not she, who did not comply with the
>> agreement. There was nothing apparently in the agreement stating she
>> could not travel to Klamath Falls...
>
> Guess there is no sense beating a dead horse about this trip.
Clearly so, Chuck.
>> there was nothing in the agreement that she skip a meeting which
>> would have resulted in loss of housing, which IS something likely on
>> the agreement... and there was nothing in
>> the agreement about her being required to be omniscient... and
>> nothing in the agreement that stated she no longer had the
>> constitutional, human, civil, due process and parental rights which
>> are guaranteed to all under the law.
>
>
> Talk about law.
What about it, Chuck?
> What the law about driving under the influence of a narcotic?
Being detectable is not necessarily being under the influence. You can
have a beer and then legally drive. It is only if the blood alcohol
level is sufficient to impair that it is legally DUI. That is the LAW if
you wish to discuss the LAW, Chuck.
Additionally you have yet to show where Jennifer stated the father was
allowed to drive. I continue to notice your continued refusal to accept
the possibility and your continued penchant for factlessly insisting
that he was high as a kite, obviously so, and still allowed to drive.
> Dont really matter if your high at the time the cops pull you over or
> when you have an accident, its just what they find in your system.
Actually it does matter, nitwit. You really need to check the law
better if you are going to try and speak authoritatively about it.
If I take my pain meds I will test positive for days. However when I
was driving I could do so completely legally 6-8 hours after taking
them. No impairment, no crime. Get a clue, Chuck.
<chuckle>
> My point is, the test dont say how much you used or when you used.
> Only that you used.
Clearly you continue to prove yourself ignorant of the subject you are
attempting to speak on authoritatively, Chuck.
It is pathetic and feeble but quite amusing to watch.
<chuckle>
>>> Did I mention that on this weekend trip, on her return home, the car
>>> broke down and they spent another three days at a motel?
>>
>> Again so what, Sherm? Bad things happen.
>
> Its getting insulting now Neal. Its me, Loyal Fan. Earth to Neal come
> in over.
Already corrected yesterday, Chuck. Do you always put so much effort
into your inanities, Chuck? And how, pray tell, did you reasonably
expect me to respond to your earlier correction when it was in this same
post which you had not yet sent out to be posted yet, eh Chuck?
At least you appear to be consistent in your unreason, Chuck.
ROTFLU!
> 3 days to clean that urine out. Amazing how its so consistent with
> time for the drug to leave your system.
More basless and factless assumptions without credible substantiation.
Oh so typical and you are such a Johnny One Note on it, aren't you Chuck?
<chuckle>
> If I were the case worker I would ask for the receipt from the repair
> shop she claimed did the work. I would definitely verify the duration
> of the repair. But thats where case workers fail in the investigations
> and come up so short.
She could request such... but Jennifer has no burden of proof... the
caseworker (and you) are the ones making the assertions that such did
not happen... the burden of proof is upon you.
>>> She never called the case worker to tell them what happened.
>>
>> Why bother? Was she required to under the specific notations in the
>> agreement? Highly doubtful. And the caseworker has already proven
>> to be 'the enemy' so why would any sane person do as you claim she
>> should have done? Eh Sherm?
>
>
> Communication? When you know whats coming? A terrible thing I guess,
> being voluntarily cooperative with someone itching to take your kids
> away.
Why should you be voluntarily cooperative with kidnappers who are a
proven enemy of your family, Chuck?
> Shit, why be cooperative and show them your kids are your utmost concern.
She shows her kids are her utmost concern by defending their rights
against Gestapo CPS.
I guess your advice for the Danish Jews was to just cooperate with the
Nazi Gestapo and everything would have been just fine instead of acting
'out of compliance' with unreasonable orders as they did. If you will
notice almost no danish jews were executed by the Nazis due to their
lack of 'voluntary compliance'.
I guess either you refuse to learn the lessons of history, Chuck, or
more likely due to your status of Gestapo CPS Apologist you merely want
to pretend that history never existed.
Which is it, Chuck?
<chuckle>
> Your psoriasis caking up in your brain Neal?
Your irrelevant, feeble and pathetic attempt here is just more evidence
of how unfounded your BS is, Chuck, when you feel such a desperate need
to resort to such.
If you were not so grossly offensive I might actually pity you.
<chuckle>
>>> So they got a family on a service plan, a father who is violating
>>> the plan by using again and mother who is driving around with him
>>> with the kids.
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, Sherm, nice twisting and misrepresenting of the facts, but you
>> are in true Gestapo CPS Apologist form...
>
>
> Gee, did I misrepresent?
Yes you did, Chuck. As already clearly pointed out.
> Tell me what the facts are.
Already presented, Chuck.
> She posted what happened and thats what I am going by.
A lie on your part, as has already been clearly and conclusively proven,
Chuck. She presented the facts. You desperately attempt to twist and
misrepresent them, as you have been caught redhanded doing many times so
far. You also desperately attempt to inject your baseless and
unsubstantiated accusations, allegations and claims into it as well,
something which you have also been caught red handed attempting many
times so far, Chuck.
> Maybe you have a different version of the story.
I just deal with the real version, Chuck... the facts presented. Unlike
you I do not choose to make things up as I go in a desperate attempt to
continue making one fraudulent claim after another. That is your tactic
apparently, Chuck. You are welcome to it.
<chuckle>
> CPS client flunkies normally have numerous conflicting stories to save
> thier ass.
Sorry, Chuck, but the facts in evidence and long and well documented
history of Gestapo CPS clearly show the dishonesty to be far more likely
on the side of Gestapo CPS than on their victims.
You have no proof Jennifer has lied here. No evidence of such
whatsoever. Yet because the facts as presented do not serve you as well
as you would like in your Gestapo CPS Apologist agenda you simply make
up whatever you want and present it as fact (read: lie and fabricate).
If you have credible substantiation for a claim that Jennifer, or myself
for that matter, have lied here Chuck, do please present it.
For until you do you are just another delusional and dishonest Gestapo
CPS Apologist whose anti-parent , anti-family and anti-child fervor and
agenda have been exposed.
<chuckle>
> And you cant get the name right so why not just call me GCPSA. Ok?
Again the unreason level on your part continues to increase, with your
expectation that an already posted statement will alter based on your as
yet unposted responses.
Ah well...
At least when I make an error and such is pointed out legitimately I
have no problem accepting such, admitting such and making a correction
immediately as I have already done in this.
You, on the other hand, have been proven clearly and conclusively to be
in error a great many times. Ya know? I have YET to see you even ONCE
accept,.admit or correct on any of those... you continue to just feebly
and impotently try and continue to defend your lies and unfounded
accusations and general offensiveness to the delusional bitter end.
Quite typical indeed of your ilk, Chuck.
<chuckle>
>> your keepers at Gestapo CPS must be so proud of you.
>
> Oh they just love me!
Why wouldn't they love a Gestapo CPS Apologist such as yourself, Chuck?
> Maybe I can send you a copy of the transcript from court. You can read
> all the lovely things they testified I said about them during my visits.
Entirely irrelevant, Chuck.
> You ever ask your case worker for a picture of herself so you can hang
> it on your dart board?
Why bother?
> You just think it in terms of one way or the other. For or against,
> nothing in between.
No, Chuck, I deal in the facts, reason and logic.
You are the one assuming here that Gestapo CPS is perfect and never does
any wrong. With your claimed history, just like with Delusional Dan, it
is surprising you would have such an apologist position. But I guess
some people are just insane.
I, on the other hand, have never said Gestapo CPS never gets it right or
never does any good in some cases. I merely, correctly as backed up by
the mountains of proof, state they get it wrong far more than they get
it right, and that there should be effective oversight and complete
accountability of the highest order with them considering the gross harm
their wrongful acts cause not only to the children, parents and families
directly and indirectly involved but also to the entire fabric of our
nation and the credibility and legitimacy of the government itself.
> Well sorry flaky, thats me. Mr. Understanding. On the fence looking
> both ways. Its why I learn and succeed.
You are 100% in the Gestapo CPS Apologist camp here, Chuck, and you
continue to prove it every time you post.
And yet you consider yourself to be 'on the fence'? Talk about clear
and conclusive proof of your delusional state, Chuck... thank you for
you could not have proven it more clearly!
<chuckle>
>> Do your lips ever leave their anus, Sherm?
>
> Sure, 7 days ago today. Walked right out that door with full legal and
> physical custody. But that was easy to do with alot of help I got from
> good people like Dan and a few others here.
Had much more to do with your sizeable bank account and the legal muscle
that enabled you to employ, Chuck.
> The hard part was weeding through the scum like you who filthy this
> group with ranting and raving.
Sorry, Chuck, but I have neither ranted nor raved. I have presented the
facts and logical and well reasoned arguments which you to date have yet
to be able to successfully assail.
Not surprising that a proven liar and delusional such as yourself would
equate such to 'ranting and raving', Chuck.
<chuckle>
I have not seen you answer my question yet, Chuck... how long did
Gestapo CPS hold your child(ren)?
> > <chuckle>
>
> Hey you like to laugh? Wanna hear a joke? What cant you say at Neals
> house during dinner time in front of the kids?
>
> Can you pass the pepper!
>
> Did you think that was funny? I bet your kids dont.
Ah yes... Chuck again demonstrates how feeble, impotent, and more to the
point irrelevant, he is...
Best you can do, eh Chuck? Not surprising.
<chuckle>
Neal Feldman
Fight CPS And Win wrote:
Sherm wrote:The Service Plan/ Safety Plan is in force and has been. There is nothing
for her to sign, Linda. It's over. She and the father did not complywithit. That is simple. the caseworker further ordered her to not remove the
children from her jurisdiction and she defied them. This doesn't work.
Right or wrong does not count. The children are GONE!
The caseworkers are on a power trip and violated her parental rights. The
children weren't in any immediate danger and they had no right to force them
into a fosterincarceration facility.
Not only is it a violation of the rights of mother and children to be
together, its a waste of tax and social security fund money. Anyone who
pays taxes in the USA should be outraged at this kind of government abuse of
families and waste of taxpayer and social security contributor money!
she decided that she herself would determine the what's
and wherefore's of her drugging husband.
So what's wrong with adults acting like adults and making the decisions they
believe are most reasonable?
Linda
Sure seems to be the case.
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
"Fight CPS And Win" <no-spam...@fightcps.com> wrote in message
news:v5pjbcj...@corp.supernews.com...Sherm wrote:The Service Plan/ Safety Plan is in force and has been. There isnothingfor her to sign, Linda. It's over. She and the father did not complywithit. That is simple. the caseworker further ordered her to not removethechildren from her jurisdiction and she defied them. This doesn't work.
Right or wrong does not count. The children are GONE!The caseworkers are on a power trip and violated her parental rights. The
children weren't in any immediate danger and they had no right to forcetheminto a fosterincarceration facility.
The children were in the legal custody of CPS.
That is clearly not the case here.
In fact in this case the evidence CLEARLY shows that the greater risk of harm to the kids is by REMOVAL due to the psychological trauma of the previous removal which the kids have YET to even have a chance to recover from.
The fa turned in a dirty UA.
The parents were no longer in compliance with CPS' safety plan.
Would the next step not have been to see the children face to face to be
sure they were OK?
And for CPS to see if the mother breeched the agreement by using drugs
again, too?
And I thought your claim was this sham meeting was just to discuss matters. Clearly you believe the intent was to kidnap the kids on the spot and force Jennifer, who had not produced a dirty UA, to submit to another UA.
Either Jennifer along with the father had been required to do regular UAs or not. The FATHER failed his... if Jennifer was required to do them she clearly did not fail hers. If she had not been required to do them then what legitimate basis would there be to force her to submit to one? That the father failed one? Sorry but that does not meet the burden of probable cause. Delusional Dan.
Would you have expected CPS to simply make a phone call to Jennifer to give
her the bad news and let it go at that?
How long would you have wanted CPS to wait before doing a thorough check on
Jennifer and the kids?
Was the phone call sufficient?
Should it have ended there?
Not only is it a violation of the rights of mother and children to be
together, its a waste of tax and social security fund money. Anyone who
pays taxes in the USA should be outraged at this kind of government abuse of
families and waste of taxpayer and social security contributor money!she decided that she herself would determine the what's
and wherefore's of her drugging husband.So what's wrong with adults acting like adults and making the decisions the
Yes, Delusional Dan, instead of acting like children being lorded over by Great Ghod NannyState.believe are most reasonable?
Adults acting like adults?
Are you not aware that it was Jennoifer's drug use NOT THE FA's that cause
her children to be removed the first time?
Are you not aware that Jennifer used meth just prior to going to the
hospital to give birth to her twins?
However it IS duly noted how you continue to prove that you are ANYTHING BUT Jennifer's friend and supporter with your constant attacks and unfounded allegations against her here in this newsgroup. If you are her friend, Delusional Dan, Jennifer will never, ever, be in need of any enemies. That much is a certainty!
Are you not aware that relapses are EXPECTED?
But in standard Gestapo CPS fashion, which is to be expected of an admitted Gestapo CPS Apologist such as yourself Delusional Dan, you are just like a pitbull with lockjaw on it... and no amount of intelligent discourse, logic, reason or fact will ever get you to let it go.
Thank you though for providing yet another example of your behavior, your tactics and your agenda which show all my assessments of you to be 100% accurate and correct, Delusional Dan.
By your own standards and admissions, Delusional Dan, Gestapo CPS has clear and convincing evidence that you sexually molested your own young son.
So, Delusional Dan, have you stopped raping six year old boys yet? Hmmmmm?
<chuckle>
I believe three relapses are the norm.
And even if Jennifer wasn't on a relapse, she should have gone in to CPS,
shown herself to be clean, and concerned for the wellbeing of her children
and done what she had to do to keep her children with her!
Was that too much to ask?
Yes it was. It requires her to violate her constitutional, due process, human, civil and parental rights. Additionally it is clear from the history of Gestapo CPS that her doing so would be tantamount to just handing over her kids on the spot, for they surely would have been kidnapped. Also doing so as Gestapo CPS demanded would have also cost her family their housing.
There was ZERO upside for her doing as you suggest...
You also tell folks to stipulate, Delusional Dan... and many folks with a great deal of experience in these matters have found that if you stipulate you are almost certainly dead meat with Gestapo CPS.
But what else should we expect from an admitted Gestapo CPS Apologist such as yourself, Delusional Dan? Hmmmm?
Should CPS have waited for their regular monthly visit to discover if the
children were OK or possibly find the mother fried to the gills on crystal?
Anti-parent paranoia and personal powertripping, which is all that is at work in this case here, do not justify removal. Period.
Is Jennifer a fountain of good decisions?
Not the way she's goin these days.
I know what CPS would like to see her do... and it isn't pointing her finger
at them.
So what?
They better get used to it, because it is happening more and more, and it is getting more and more coverage.
CPS even went so far as to GIVE Jennifer $800 for kids stuff just before the
kids came home.
You put quite a low price tag on these rights, Delusional Dan.
The founding fathers would likely have strung you up as a traitor. May not be such a bad idea at that.
<chuckle>
They even gave her MORE money since the kids went home when things got tight
for her financially.
If I give a woman $800, and then a couple other payments over time, and then bust into her house and rape her, can I legitimately claim I should not be charged with rape because I gave her some money at earlier times, Delusional Dan?
Basically that is what you are claiming here.
Jennifer had people at CPS who went beyond the call to help her with her
children.
And then she ignores their instructions when she should have gone straight
back to them for the help that they had no problem giving her.
CPS didn't change directions... Jennifer did.
Gestapo CPS kidnaps the kids, goes on a fishing expedition, and continues to play personal power trip games with the lives of Jennifer, her children and her family.
THAT is what is going on, Delusional Dan, and it is absolutely clear and obvious.
I don't expect a dishonest and delusional admitted Gestapo CPS Apologist and accused molester of his own young son to admit this though.
And look where she is today.
Can ya get Section 8 housing in Oregon if you don't have children?
If ya can't and Jennifer knew that, and she knew CPS would remove the
children if she didn't make their meeting,
what was the point of going to the Section 8 meeting?
To scam them into thinking there were children in the
family when she knew the kids would be gone in a few days?
And Delusional Dan continued to claim he was her 'friend'.
Yeah, Delusional Dan... with friends like you who needs enemies?
<chuckle>
<The rest of Delusional Dan's dishonesty, delusion and obsessed braying idiocy mercifully snipped.>
Neal Feldman
sherman wrote:
"Fight CPS And Win" <no-spam...@fightcps.com> wrote in message
Honestly, I spoke with Dan today, he called to check on me, the wife and
the baby. He mentioned you were going to court today, he was hoping for
you and wishing the best for you.
You smack him in the face like this? What wrong with us people? You mean
the ones who have been here and dont crawl out of the woodwork?
Wake up kid, you're asleep at the wheel.What are you saying? You think she should sign a service plan or
stipulation instead of fighting for freedom from the system?
The Service Plan/ Safety Plan is in force and has been. There is nothing
for her to sign, Linda. It's over. She and the father did not comply with
it. That is simple.
The only simple thing here is you, Sherm.
The FATHER had the dirty UA... HE did not comply.
There has been nothing shown that JENNIFER did not comply.
Specifically the plan did NOT preclude her from travelling to Klamath Falls. A judge had already ruled on that.
The father is out of the equation and as such irrelevant.
the caseworker further ordered her to not remove the
children from her jurisdiction and she defied them.
You are right, it does not work for those who have no legal authority to make orders to make orders which they have no legal authority to make. Also it does not work to try guilt by association BS to claim SHE was not in compliance with the plan when it was only HE who was not in compliance... and since HE is no longer in the equation his lack of compliance is entirely irrelevant and hardly comes anywhere NEAR justifying removal of the children from HER.This doesn't work.
Right or wrong does not count. The children are GONE!
Right and wrong ALWAYS count.
Basically what you are saying is that if someone robs a store and kills the clerk, hey it was done,.... the money is gone, the clerk is dead, right and wrong do not count. Nothing should be done about this.
That is EXACTLY what your nonsensical ravings amount to, Sherm.
Actually she did, Sherm. Father is out of the house and out of the equation. Since that dealt with the only legitimate problem how much more remedial can you get, Sherm?Futher, she evidently did not produce any remedial plan for correcting the
problem.
<The rest of Sherman's dishonesty, delusion and braying idiocy mercifully snipped.>
Neal Feldman
All that is on the website linked at the bottom of every one of my posts.
I see no reason to continually reinvent the wheel, that is why the website was created.
sherman wrote:
Neal, please enlighten me as to your expertise.
Have you had children removed from your home?
Are they HOME? With you?
Are you a licensed foster care provider?
Where are your children today?
Sherm.
"Neal Feldman" <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message
Loyal Fan wrote:Honestly, I spoke with Dan today, he called to check on me, the wife
and the baby. He mentioned you were going to court today, he was
hoping for you and wishing the best for you.
You smack him in the face like this?
Aw... did she hurt the feelings of a Gestapo CPS Apologist?
GOOD!
What wrong with us people?
Yes, what is wrong with YOU people, meaning the Gestapo CPS Apologistbrood.You mean the ones who have been here and dont crawl out of the woodwork?What the heck ARE you blathering about?
Wake up kid, you're asleep at the wheel.
No, you are. Clearly so. You are so wrapped up in the divinity of
Gestapo CPS and their Apologist agent Delusional Dan that you refuse to
face the facts.
Jennifer wrote:
Thank you Neal. You defined my point exactly.
The only abuse of my children is being done by an agency is claiming
to protect them. This is not about doing whatever they want anymore.
THESE ARE MY CHILDRENS RIGHTS, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THEIR MENTAL, AND
EMOTIONAL HEALTH THAT IS BEING ABUSED.
I just got back from the prelim. and what a joke that was. I dont know
I even had to be there, or why it was even done at a court house,
since the whole thing had nothing to do with any laws in the first
place.
SCF's reason for taking my kids was "Parent's unable to comply w/
safety plan"
The judges ruling was this: NONE-NOTHING!!!! She left it up to SCF as
to whether or not to return my kids. No court order for anything. I
told the person who was there to defend me, to tell my lawyer to file
an appeal. They would not even let my 4 yr. old go back to my mother's
where he was placed before. So she stood up a nd asked the judge for
this, as well as I did, because we both knew it be in his best
interests, the judge left it up to SCF, they stood up and said no,
reason: my mom didnt prevent me from not complying with the safety
plan, meaning she didnt stop me from going to K.Falls.
This is ludicrous. I cant believe you people would not stand up and
fight for your child if they were being abused like this.
I will fight them all till the day I die for what they are doing to my
babies.
In the end, justice will prevail.
Jen
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We will never rest until Gestapo CPS is completely abolished!
Jennifer
group. I am not the kind of person who lies. You have made some pretty
serious acusations against me, why is that?
I don't care what the norm is on how many relapses a drug addict has,
just because one parent is using that must mean they both are.
I wasn't a person who used alot to begin with, not that makes a
difference, but my children are the only incentive I need to never use
again.
I also am not a person who defraud the programs that help people with
housing,, or other resorces.
I wish I would have known your opinion of me a long time ago. Maybe I
wouldn't have gotten to know you or respected you like I did.
Jen
Dan Sullivan
"Jennifer" <BUCK...@MSN.COM> wrote in message
news:70eef042.03022...@posting.google.com...
>
> Ya Dan. What's up?
Whassupwichooo??
> I have never lied to you, or anyone else on this
> group. I am not the kind of person who lies.
"I have never harmed, or abused my child in any way, and wont let them try
to say that I have," when the fact is you and your twins tested positive for
meth at their birth.
You started off like that... and eventually you came around and admitted
your mistake.
NBD that's the way things go.
First denial (some people never leave this part) and then acknowledgement of
responsibility.
That's the start of what a parent HAS to do to get their children out of FC.
You made it thru the legal system by MORE than complying with CPS'
reunification plan which got you all yer children back.
That right?
"I just want to say that whatever label you all may put on Dan, he has
made some good points when it comes to getting your kids out of the
foster's home, and back into yours. Think about it, when your in the
middle of your battle w/ CPS, and they have your kid, they hold all
the cards, they got your life in their hands. You cant change it, no
matter how wrong they are, or what rights of yours that they violate
in the process, you cant do whatever it is that they want you to in
order to get your kid home, if your too busy trying to figure out how
to change the whole legal system. You cant do both. And isnt whatever
they want you to do, a small price to pay to get your child home? I
would hope so. It took me a while to finally do what they wanted, and
my kids came home. All Dan is saying is that after you get them home,
and you regain custody, then you can fight to change the system, but
you cant fight a system this big, while your hoping to get your kids
back, you dont have that kind of time, get them back first, whatever
it takes. Then band together to make a change."
Gee, who wrote THAT???
Why it was YOU!
I haven't changed my position since you wrote that... YOU'VE changed.
Do ya remember when you wrote it?
After your children came home... you were happy... thinking clearly... and
you were promoting what you KNEW was successful.
> You have made some pretty
> serious acusations against me, why is that?
You've been listening to whatsisname and freek.
I'll bet you've rec'd quite a few emails from those idiots about me.
Am I right?
I got a kick out of this crock of shit from whatsisname and freek,
check it out,
--------------------------------
Sherman wrote,
> >>The only remedial effort that she made (or so she evidently thinks she
> >>did on behalf of the little children) was to take the kids to the Kiddy
> >>Pound herself. What a Mom.
> >>
> >>Sherman, head shaking to and fro.
> >>
The following is what I wrote,
> >Yeah, you're right, Sherm.
> >
> >I guess if she was out of the county CPS couldn't ask her face to face
> >to take a UA .
> >
> >She had P-L-A-N-S!!!!!
> >
> >And then three extra unforeseen days in a motel.
> >
> >How long does it take to get meth out of your system?
> >
> >Best, Dan
<<<snip>>>
Then comes whatsisname,
> This is of course Delusional Dan's idea of supporting Jennifer...
> accusing her with not a shred of evidence of such....
And now freek,
And accusing her publicly! Not discussing potentials in private emails, but
actually rumor-mongering and mud-slinging. He is lower than low.
------------------------------------------
Where is the accusation neal and freek are referring to?
neal claims I was accusing you of something.
And freek chimes in that I'm accusing you, "publicly," and "rumor-mongering
and mud slinging."
Where is the rumor? Where is the accusation? Where's the "mud?"
Questions are simply questions, Jen.
And I hope that question made you realize how your leaving for 5 days with a
drug using SO and yer children who are still in the custody of the State
looks to CPS!!!
I don't care about plans, I don't care about anything but what you should
have done to appease CPS so you could have kept yer kids!!!
I will tell ya I'm really disappointed how you handled this latest
situation.
You know better.
> I don't care what the norm is on how many relapses a drug addict has,
> just because one parent is using that must mean they both are.
Didn't you mean to say, "I don't care how many relapses a drug addict has,
just because one parent is using that DOESN'T mean both are?"
> I wasn't a person who used alot to begin with, not that makes a
> difference, but my children are the only incentive I need to never use
> again.
>
> I also am not a person who defraud the programs that help people with
> housing,, or other resorces.
> I wish I would have known your opinion of me a long time ago.
What was my opinion of you a long time ago?
If my opinion has changed it's only been in the last few days.
> Maybe I
> wouldn't have gotten to know you or respected you like I did.
Someone's been feeding you shit about me and you've been eating it.
Brush yer teeth and stop eating the crap they've been putting on yer plate.
Put yer begger on, call yer CW, and FEEEKIN BEG!!!!!
Any other tact... well you know what could have happened last time had you
listened to neal.
Why listen to him now?
Best, Dan
Dan Sullivan
> Dan Sullivan wrote:
>
> >Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3E5C2FCB...@attbi.com>...
> >
> >>Dan Sullivan wrote:
> >>
> >>>Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3E5A2F1D...@attbi.com>...
> >>>
> >>>>As usual, Delusional Dan advises to 'do whatever Gestapo CPS wants'. Mr
> >>>>Extreme Capitulation.
> >>>>
> >>>The termite speaks.
> >>>
> >>Call me whatever baseless and irrelevant term you like, Delusional Dan.
> >> My nickname for you has continued to be proven completely accurate and
> >>correct by your posts for years now.
> >>
> >>>>They yank the kids for no good reason
> >>>>
> >>>CPS removed the children because their parents were no longer in
> >>>compliance with the safety plan.
> >>>
> >>Sorry but there is nothing to support that... credibly.
> >>
> >
> >Sure there is, the fa turned in a dirty UA.
> >
> The father is out of the equation and was so before Gestapo CPS sent
> their goons with guns to kidnap the kids.
Jennifer was told that the fa couldn't be around the children unless
ha was at CPS.
She chose to ignore CPS' instructions for almost a week.
> As such there is nothing to support that, Delusional Dan.
Sure there is... Jennifer posted that info herself.
> Additionally there was nothing in the stated safety plan which precluded
> her visiting Klamath Falls.
Jennifer was advised to NOT take this trip.
The service plan had already been breeched.
The fa was STILL around the children.
> Additionally there was nothing in the
> safety plan requiring her to lose housing to attent a sham meeting.
Jennifer could have gotten a note from her CW that there was a meeting
which Jennifer could not fail to attend.
Or the CW could have sent an email.
You did say they were all under one agency, neal.
Convenient!
> If you claim otherwise, Delusional Dan, please support your claim with
> evidence instead of more of your baseless and unfounded pap, ok?
>
> <chuckle>
>
> >>They have not
> >>shown that the father presented, as would be perceived by a reasonable
> >>and unbiased person, any danger to the children between when they left
> >>on the trip and they returned to their hometown where the father had
> >>already been removed from the home.
> >>
> >
> >The failure to comply started prior to the trip.
> >
> Only on the part of the father.
No, Jennifer failed too.
She failed to keep her children from being around the fa.
> The father is out of the equation and as such a non-issue.
The fa wasn't out of the equation until they all got back from the
trip.
> >What they did from that point til the time Jennifer dropped the kids
> >off at the FPs makes no difference.
> >
> So why do you keep bringing it up, Delusional Dan?
What is important and which you apparently fail to grasp is the fact
that CPS told Jennifer that her children could no longer be around the
fa unless he was at CPS.
Jennifer ignored those instructions, as well as others.
> >>So how, specifically, did she not comply with the safety plan Delusional
> >>Dan?
> >>
> >
> >How is it you didn't go to court with her?
> >
> I was not asked.
>
> And as usual your question is entirely specious and ludicrous anyway.
Why? You WERE trying to date her before.
> >Too wasted on vicoden?
> >
> Ah, yes... took you less than 12 hours to prove me entirely right about
> you, Delusional Dan. Thank you for proving once again what a desperate
> cretin you are, and how you clearly cannot form a cogent or coherent
> argument to support your insanity and dishonesty so you resort to the
> likes of this... yet again.
>
> Ah well... how typical of the general offensiveness that is Delusional Dan.
>
> Also further proof of Delusional Dan's continuing inaccuracy and
> inability to read apparently... as I clearly stated in the post he is so
> unsubtly referring to I do not take Vicodin.
>
> But the truth does not matter to the obsessed liar and admitted Gestapo
> CPS Apologist Delusional Dan when he makes his impotent and feeble
> pathetic little jabs... never has, likely never will.
>
> Ah well....
>
> <chuckle>
Geez, I only asked a simple question, and what I asked about was
vicoden, not vicodin.
You really must be on a heavy dose.
Can what you have kill you?
Or are you just gonna be in excruciating pain the rest of your life?
(one can only hope)
> >>>>And he supports them completely and wants you to do the same.
> >>>>
> >>>I just want Jennifer to take the road of greatest success.
> >>>
> >>Ah yes... prior to a week ago you claimed she was totally following only
> >>your advice... my how things change quickly in your delusional
> >>fantasyland Delusional Dan.
> >>
> >
> >Now she thanks you for your advice and she doesn't have her children
> >and probably never will again if she continues to listen to your crap.
> >
> So Delusional Dan keeps claiming as he beats his "Surrender Completely
> And Totally to Gestapo CPS" drum.... totally and completely oblivious to
> the fact that most who do what he suggests never see their kids again
> while the majority of victories against Gestapo CPS offenses are from
> those who DO fight back and stand up for their rights and the rights of
> their children and families.
Do you consider Jennifer getting her children back before a victory?
I do.
And I consider where she's at today a defeat.
Last time Jennifer complied with CPS' reunification plan and she
prevailed.
This time Jennifer breeched a safety plan which put her out of
compliance and her children have been... placed back in fostercare.
> Delusional Dan is clearly paranoid and desperately afraid of folks
> knowing and defending their rights as he has proven himself to be of my
> website that he feels a compulsion to lie repeatedly and voluminously in
> order to try and scare people to his side of support for Gestapo CPS.
>
> Quite telling indeed.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> >>>>What a surprise... NOT.
> >>>>
> >>>>Again Gestapo CPS demands you take their word for everything (like there
> >>>>has never been a false positive on a test, we ARE talking ONE dirty UA
> >>>>here out of likely many) and again act in utter and complete anti-male
> >>>>paranoia.
> >>>>
> >>>Jennifer never claimed the test was a false positive.
> >>>
> >>I never said she did.
> >>
> >
> >And I didn't claim you did.
> >
> Then why make your statement above, Delusional Dan? It is non sequitur.
> So why make it if not claiming I had said or even suggested such?
Simply stating a fact.
And you are so rarely associated with facts I wonder why you thought
what I wrote had anything to do with you.
Paranoid AND stupid, you are, neal.
> >>Did you see my text saying she did? If so please
> >>present it, in context, Delusional Dan, ok?
> >>
> >
> >???
> >
> Your cluelessness is already on record, Delusional Dan.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> >>>She did say she believed he only used a small amount.
> >>>
> >>And her basis for this was that he had evidenced no signs of usage,
> >>signs she would clearly have recognized.
> >>
> >
> >Or have lied about if she was using drugs along with him, right?
> >
> Ah, yes... the unfounded and baseless accusation against Jennifer repeated.
>
> Ah Delusional Dan, you have yet to figure out you have clearly proven
> that with 'friends' like you no one has any need of enemies.
Not an accusation... a simple question.
> <chuckle>
>
> >>>Spit the sawdust out of yer mouth and try something else, neal.
> >>>
> >>No sawdust in my mouth, Delusional Dan. You continue to delude yourself
> >>into the firm belief that if you say it then it must be true not because
> >>you only speak the truth (as you have proven to be a liar more times
> >>than can be easily tabulated) but because you have the delusion that if
> >>you say it it must be truth simply because you said it.
> >>
> >>This aspect of you has been exposed a great many times here, Delusional Dan.
> >>
> >>>>If the guy is using again he should be gone anyway... but now that he is
> >>>>gone what is the basis for keeping the kids from you?
> >>>>
> >>>The failure to comply with the safety plan and the fact that she took
> >>>off WITH the offender and the children in spite of being told not to
> >>>go...
> >>>
> >>Again, Delusional Dan, her going to Klamath Falls was entirely within
> >>her rights as she stated a judge in a court had already ruled on that
> >>issue.
> >>
> >
> >That statement was made prior to their failure to comply.
> >
> >If a judge was asked that question knowing that the safety plan was
> >violated do you really think he would have told them it was OK to go?
> >
> Irrelevant. If they wished to find out then Gestapo CPS should have
> gone before that judge to get such a ruling.
CPS didn't need a ruling to see if Jennifer was allowed to leave the
county.
CPS needed to see the children and Jennifer, and keep the fa away from
the children in order to insure the children's safety.
Jennifer was told to attend a CPS meeting with the children, not to
leave the county, and not to allow her children to be around the fa.
She chose to miss the meeting, leave the county, and allow the fa to
be around the children for approx five days more.
> You cannot undo a ruling by sheer assumption as you seem to wish to do,
> Delusional Dan.
It wasn't a ruling AND would CPS have had to go in front of a Judge to
determine if the contract had been breeched?
The fa's dirty UA wasn't proof enough?
Jennifer could have left the children with the fa for as long as it
took for CPS to have a Judge make a ruling on the fa's dirty UA??
You're such a loser, neal.
> >You are one dumb bastard.
> >
> No, Delusional Dan, I am not. However you continue to prove yourself to
> be such time and time again. Thank you for continuing that track record.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> Nice to also see you continue your tendancy, when continually proven
> wrong, proven to be a liar and proven to be nothing but a blathering
> mouthpiece and apologist for Gestapo CPS, to increase your unnecessary
> use of profanity in your posts.
>
> Typical, however, considering you have admitted by thay your own
> standards Gestapo CPS has clear and convincing evidence that you have
> sexually abused your own young son, Delusional Dan.
>
> So, Delusional Dan, have you stopped raping six year old boys yet? Hmmmmm?
>
> <chuckle>
>
> >Your persistence in disregarding the fact that the situation was
> >completely changed after the dirty UA proves you don't care what
> >happens to Jennifer.
> >
> My persistence is in dealing with the facts, Delusional Dan, and nothing
> changed for no new court orders were issues subsequent to the dirty UA
> and prior to the new kidnapping of the children from Jennifer.
If nothing changed why does CPS have Jennifer's children again?
I advise Jennifer to immediately bring you to the same Judge who
allowed CPS to take back physical custody of her children so you can
explain why Jennifer's kids should never have been removed!
Oh wait, you said subsequent to the dirty UA and BEFORE the children
were removed...
CPS didn't HAVE to go before a Judge until AFTER the children were
back in FC.
The simple fact that the safety plan was breeched was sufficient for
the removal of the children to FC and apparently the judge agreed with
CPS because FC is where the children stayed.
Gee, you were finally right about something, neal.
Unfortunately for Jennifer it means nothing... simply smoke and
mirrors.
> It is clearly YOU, Delusional Dan, who demonstrate the persistance in
> disregarding all the facts pointed out simply because you do not like
> them, do not like the presenter, and/or they do not support your Gestapo
> CPS Apologist position and agenda.
The facts you just pointed out were true.
And as I said unfortunately for Jennifer those facts are meaningless
and pointless.
Have I proven you to be a colossal buffoon every time you attempt to
deceive Jennifer, neal?
> You demonstrate that quite clearly indeed, Delusional Dan.
Why thank you, neal.
It isn't very difficult when you attempt to make such idiotic points.
> >>As such the caseworker was completely OUTSIDE any legitimate
> >>rights and authority in making such a demand for her not to go.
> >>
> >
> >Unfortunately CPS' opinion differs from yours.
> >
> They usually do... rogue agencies drunk with power who routinely as a
> matter of standard operating practice violate the constitutional, civil,
> human, due process and parental rights of citizens with ineffectual
> oversight and virtually no accountability tend to operate in difference
> to my opinions on the matter, Delusional Dan.
>
> This does not make me wrong, Delusional Dan... it makes them wrong.
I can't tell you how happy I am we have your word an that, neal.
Dan
Famil...@free.all
(TOP POST)
Well done, Sir."Nail on the Head.," Thank-You.
"THEY" Took 'MY' Babies....:
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/freekaler/loyalbean.html
--
Dan Sullivan
<Famil...@free.all> wrote in message
news:20030227142646.324$A...@newsreader.com...
> Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
> (TOP POST)
> Well done, Sir."Nail on the Head.," Thank-You.
> "THEY" Took 'MY' Babies....:
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/freekaler/loyalbean.html
I'll save you all the time of going to the mywebpage of freekaler.
Here it is in it's entirety.
(it's real easy to read don't miss a single word)
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Article 8 of 889 in alt.support.child-protective-services
Re: THEY TOOK MY BABIES...............
Neal Feldman
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She got custody of her children back year, Hubby agreed to UA
testing. He came up dirty last week. CPS informed her about the
dirty test and the next day she blew a meeting off with them and
left the county with the husband and children for a visit a few
hundred miles away.
Sorry, nitwit, but the state of Oregon is not big enough for her to
have gone 'a few hundred miles away'... and the distance is
irrelevant anyway.
Well flaky, she said she broke down on her way down, she was still 100
miles from home.
So? Your lack of skill with logic is continuing to be aptly
demonstrated as is your penchant for unfounded attacks. You have
demonstrated yourself here to be a nitwit... I have continued to point
out how. You, OTOH, have yet to show me to be a flake... just that I
disagree with your slavish devotion to Gestapo CPS.
Not counting how far they already had traveled before they got stuck.
Maybe it was ten miles maybe it was 50.
Could have been either or neither yet you ASS/U/me that it was in excess
of 200 miles. I guess you have no problem pulling your nonsense out of
thin air without anything to support you... you seem to do it a lot in
your other positions as well, Chuck.
Maybe they didnt go to grandmas house at all.
See what I mean
So if your saying she's a liar, I could a told you that.
Excuse me? Where did I say she was a liar? That is your claim, not
mine, Chuck.
Please do not continue your apparent penchant for lying by attempting to
apply your straw men to me. Not only is it rude but it is also
completely ineffective since I will just point it out immediately as I
have here which only continues to prove you are as delusional and
dishonest a moron as Delusional Dan with just as little credibility, Chuck.
They were her words not mine. I didnt ask the distance, she divulged it.
She divulged one hundred miles. You were the one who stated several
hundren miles referring to over 300 miles. Those were YOUR words,
Chuck, and those are the words being discussed at this point.
Really dont matter anyway how far she drove.
Then if that is the case why did you feel such a desperate need to
dishonestly exaggerate the number to try and make her look bad, huh Chuck?
She didnt show when they wanted her to.
So what? That has nothing to do with the trip. It has to do with her
not wanting to lose housing.
She was just as instrumental as her husband was in orchestrating the
kids departure.
Nowhere in the service plan as presented is the requirement that she
lose housing to attend sham meetings. If you can prove otherwise,
Chuck, then do so.... until then your unsubstantiated blatherings are as
irrelevant as you are.
And wipe your chin... the froth is dripping again.
Personally I couldn't care if the two meth heads drove off a cliff. I
would light my cig off one of the firestones. The kids are safer now
than they ever were.
Again denying reality and making it up as you go, eh Chuck? No wonder
you support Delusional Dan... you clearly are just as dishonest and
delusional in your Gestapo CPS Apologist ravings as he is.
No evidence that Jennifer is using yet you have no problem categorizing
her as a 'crack head'.
Clear evidence presented as to the gross trauma and harm Gestapo CPS
(not anyone else, just them) has caused these kids yet you continue to
present your clear hatred of parents and disdain for the wellbeing of
children in your delusional praising of your Great Ghod Nanny State and
one of its most offensive enforcement arms, Gestapo CPS.
Thank you for painting such a great picture of yourself for all parents
here to see, Chuck.
I could not have done it without your able assistance in this regard.
She's worried about housing and her husband is spending the money on
meth?
Again, nitwit, she did not know he was spending money on meth. Do you
have proof otherwise? Clearly your head is so far up your anus you have
vanished from sight completely.
Yes she was concerned with her continued housing, as she stated. Are
you saying a parent should not be, Chuck?
I would have been a lot more pissed than just putting him out in the
street. He would have went out in pieces. I would have asked the cops
to open the door with his head on the way out.
So what, Chuck? And then Gestapo CPS would have taken the kids because
of your violence. Great plan, 'genius'.
ROTFLU!
Thats the difference between a mother who loves her children and a
junkie with a finger in her ass.
No, Chuck... that is the difference between reasonable folks and idiots
such as yourself.
But thank you for your increasing use of profanity.
Can you prove, at this point, Chuck, that you in fact exist and are not
just another fabricated figment of Delusional Dan created to try and
bolster his sagging ego and lack of support in this newsgroup?
Just curious.
The similarities are just far too jarring.
And it is not like no one else has made this apparent connection.
When cps already had the kids once before you can bet your sweet ass I
would be all ears when they called. I wouldn't want that hell again.
Your abject terror and sheepdom is irrelevant, Chuck. I stated clearly
that the Gestapo CPS caseworker had no right to make the request. A
judge had already in court confirmed this. You claim you 'know better'
yet nothing in your response credibly challenges or disproves in any way
the statement you are responding to.
I never claimed the caseworker lacked the physical ability to verbally
utter the words of the request, Chuck... just that she had no right to
make such a request in her official capacity.
Now if you are finished with your attempt at redirection would you care
to get back to the point and respond to my actual statement, Chuck?
Provide me with his mothers number to verify she needed them because
she was sick.
I do not know the number and why should she provide an enemy of her
self, kids and family as you have so clearly proven yourself to be with
any private information such as that, Chuck?
You must think she is as stupid as you demonstrate yourself to be.
I will bet you anything its a completely different story.
I will bet you anything that even if she provided such, you called, and
her recounting was completely corroborated you would continue to deny
reality, and just wallow in your delusions and lies and make your
unfounded and baseless accusations as you have continued to prove is
your apparent penchant, Chuck.
There's her truth, cps's truth, and the truth thats right in the middle.
Sorry, Chuck, but there is only truth.
Gestapo CPS' lies, and the lies of their apologists such as yourself,
usually are nowhere near it.
The hubby broke his end of the agreement by using again, she
endorsed his behavior by going with him and taking the children.
Nothing in her actions 'endorsed' any drug use on the part of the
father.
Sure she did.
So you keep claiming... but you remain 100% unfounded claim, 0% credible
substantiation, Chuck.
Ah well...
Maybe falling short of handing the keys to the car to him. He tested
dirty, had drugs in his system. She went along for the ride and took
the kids.
She went on a planned vacation and took the kids. She was entirely
within her rights to do so. Nothing in this substantiates credibly your
claim that she 'endorsed' drug use on the part of the father, Chuck. If
you actually think it does then you are more demented than even I have
given you credit for.
Whats next? You want to argue that if driving with meth in your system
was illegal there should be signs on the highway that say "No Meth and
Driving"?
Why would I argue such, Chuck? Having meth in his system is already
illegal. Signs do not alter this fact one way or another.
However there is nothing in her statement that says he drove at all.
And even if he did that only means she condoned his driving... and
merely having something in your system to a detectable degree does not
automatically equate to impairment, Chuck.
But still none of this would substantiate credibly your claim that she
'endorsed' the drug use of the father.
Please show where you claim such proof is, because it appears to be
completely absent from your bleatings, Chuck.
$10 says he hit the meth again right after he knew he was busted by cps.
Facts not in evidence, Chuck... facts not in evidence. You do seem to
have quite the problem with that and your unfounded and baseless
assumptions and claims, don't you Chuck?
$100 says he brought some with him for the trip.
Again facts not in evidence, Chuck... facts not in evidence. You do
seem to have quite the problem with that and your unfounded and baseless
assumptions and claims, don't you Chuck?
My point is, the test dont say how much you used or when you used.
Only that you used.
Clearly you continue to prove yourself ignorant of the subject you are
attempting to speak on authoritatively, Chuck.
It is pathetic and feeble but quite amusing to watch.
Did I mention that on this weekend trip, on her return home, the car
broke down and they spent another three days at a motel?
Again so what, Sherm? Bad things happen.
Its getting insulting now Neal. Its me, Loyal Fan. Earth to Neal come
in over.
Already corrected yesterday, Chuck. Do you always put so much effort
into your inanities, Chuck? And how, pray tell, did you reasonably
expect me to respond to your earlier correction when it was in this same
post which you had not yet sent out to be posted yet, eh Chuck?
At least you appear to be consistent in your unreason, Chuck.
ROTFLU!
3 days to clean that urine out. Amazing how its so consistent with
time for the drug to leave your system.
More basless and factless assumptions without credible substantiation.
Oh so typical and you are such a Johnny One Note on it, aren't you Chuck?
Your psoriasis caking up in your brain Neal?
Your irrelevant, feeble and pathetic attempt here is just more evidence
of how unfounded your BS is, Chuck, when you feel such a desperate need
to resort to such.
If you were not so grossly offensive I might actually pity you.
So they got a family on a service plan, a father who is violating
the plan by using again and mother who is driving around with him
with the kids.
Again, Sherm, nice twisting and misrepresenting of the facts, but you
are in true Gestapo CPS Apologist form...
Gee, did I misrepresent?
Yes you did, Chuck. As already clearly pointed out.
Tell me what the facts are.
Already presented, Chuck.
She posted what happened and thats what I am going by.
A lie on your part, as has already been clearly and conclusively proven,
Chuck. She presented the facts. You desperately attempt to twist and
misrepresent them, as you have been caught redhanded doing many times so
far. You also desperately attempt to inject your baseless and
unsubstantiated accusations, allegations and claims into it as well,
something which you have also been caught red handed attempting many
times so far, Chuck.
Maybe you have a different version of the story.
I just deal with the real version, Chuck... the facts presented. Unlike
you I do not choose to make things up as I go in a desperate attempt to
continue making one fraudulent claim after another. That is your tactic
apparently, Chuck. You are welcome to it.
CPS client flunkies normally have numerous conflicting stories to save
thier ass.
Sorry, Chuck, but the facts in evidence and long and well documented
history of Gestapo CPS clearly show the dishonesty to be far more likely
on the side of Gestapo CPS than on their victims.
You have no proof Jennifer has lied here. No evidence of such
whatsoever. Yet because the facts as presented do not serve you as well
as you would like in your Gestapo CPS Apologist agenda you simply make
up whatever you want and present it as fact (read: lie and fabricate).
If you have credible substantiation for a claim that Jennifer, or myself
for that matter, have lied here Chuck, do please present it.
For until you do you are just another delusional and dishonest Gestapo
CPS Apologist whose anti-parent , anti-family and anti-child fervor and
agenda have been exposed.
And you cant get the name right so why not just call me GCPSA. Ok?
Again the unreason level on your part continues to increase, with your
expectation that an already posted statement will alter based on your as
yet unposted responses.
Ah well...
At least when I make an error and such is pointed out legitimately I
have no problem accepting such, admitting such and making a correction
immediately as I have already done in this.
You, on the other hand, have been proven clearly and conclusively to be
in error a great many times. Ya know? I have YET to see you even ONCE
accept,.admit or correct on any of those... you continue to just feebly
and impotently try and continue to defend your lies and unfounded
accusations and general offensiveness to the delusional bitter end.
Quite typical indeed of your ilk, Chuck.
Do your lips ever leave their anus, Sherm?
Sure, 7 days ago today. Walked right out that door with full legal and
physical custody. But that was easy to do with alot of help I got from
good people like Dan and a few others here.
Had much more to do with your sizeable bank account and the legal muscle
that enabled you to employ, Chuck.
The hard part was weeding through the scum like you who filthy this
group with ranting and raving.
Sorry, Chuck, but I have neither ranted nor raved. I have presented the
facts and logical and well reasoned arguments which you to date have yet
to be able to successfully assail.
Not surprising that a proven liar and delusional such as yourself would
equate such to 'ranting and raving', Chuck.
I have not seen you answer my question yet, Chuck... how long did
Gestapo CPS hold your child(ren)?
Hey you like to laugh? Wanna hear a joke? What cant you say at Neals
house during dinner time in front of the kids?
Can you pass the pepper!
Did you think that was funny? I bet your kids dont.
Ah yes... Chuck again demonstrates how feeble, impotent, and more to the
point irrelevant, he is...
Best you can do, eh Chuck? Not surprising.
Home Page: http://home.attbi.com/~silverstorm/
We will never rest until Gestapo CPS is completely abolished!v
Neal Feldman
Jennifer wrote:
>Ya Dan. What's up? I have never lied to you, or anyone else on this
>group. I am not the kind of person who lies. You have made some pretty
>serious acusations against me, why is that?
>
Because he is a delusional and dishonest moronic toad of a Gestapo CPS
Apologist who attacks immaturely and impotently anyone who has the
audacity to not consider him Ghod On Earth and his every word to be Holy
Writ.
He has made this abundantly clear since the day he first appeared in
this newsgroup.
You know that as much as anyone, Jennifer.
>I don't care what the norm is on how many relapses a drug addict has,
>just because one parent is using that must mean they both are.
>
You see, Jennifer, the average moronic supporter of the War On Some
Drugs hates it that the facts do not support their BS, that their entire
agenda has been clearly proven to be an abyssmal failure, or that they
are complete idiots... they are far too lazy to bother treating human
beings as human beings, each one distinct and unique... they just love
to broadbrush and make unfounded claims against those they are against
in the desperate hopes that no one will look behind the curtain to
witness and understand the frauds that they truly are.
<chuckle>
>I wasn't a person who used alot to begin with, not that makes a
>difference, but my children are the only incentive I need to never use
>again.
>
>I also am not a person who defraud the programs that help people with
>housing,, or other resorces.
>I wish I would have known your opinion of me a long time ago. Maybe I
>wouldn't have gotten to know you or respected you like I did.
>Jen
>
The hardest lessons are the most lasting Jennifer.
Delusional Dan has finally shown his true colors to you... pretty
picture, huh?
<chuckle>
As I said, with friends like him, who needs enemies?
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
"Jennifer" <BUCK...@MSN.COM> wrote in message
news:70eef042.03022...@posting.google.com...
You have made some pretty
serious acusations against me, why is that?
You've been listening to whatsisname and freek.
I'll bet you've rec'd quite a few emails from those idiots about me.
Am I right?
In this newsgroup I merely point out your lies, your disinformation, and your delusional rhetoric and your anti-family and Gestapo CPS Apologist pap for what it is. Also I point out your tactics of flawed critical thinking and logical fallacy as well as your never substantiating in any way the false claims you make. Additionally I point out how you have never, to my knowledge, no matter how fully and completely disproven you have been, ever admitted error on your part, accepted even the possibility of error on your part, nor corrected meaningfully any error on your part here.
You just continue to hypocritically falsely accuse others of lying in this newsgroup when you have never been able to prove they have ever lied in this newsgroup.
Quite amusing considering how you have been proven to be a liar it must be hundreds, if not thousands, of times by now, Delusional Dan.
I got a kick out of this crock of shit from whatsisname and freek,
check it out,
--------------------------------
Sherman wrote,The only remedial effort that she made (or so she evidently thinks she
did on behalf of the little children) was to take the kids to the Kiddy
Pound herself. What a Mom.
Sherman, head shaking to and fro.
The following is what I wrote,Yeah, you're right, Sherm.
I guess if she was out of the county CPS couldn't ask her face to face
to take a UA .
She had P-L-A-N-S!!!!!
And then three extra unforeseen days in a motel.
How long does it take to get meth out of your system?
Best, Dan
<<<snip>>>
Then comes whatsisname,This is of course Delusional Dan's idea of supporting Jennifer...
accusing her with not a shred of evidence of such....
Interesting.
Only you and your sycophants seem to agree with you on that point, Delusional Dan.
I have seen slander and libel cases convicted on less.
<chuckle>
And now freek,
And accusing her publicly! Not discussing potentials in private emails, but
actually rumor-mongering and mud-slinging. He is lower than low.
------------------------------------------
Where is the accusation neal and freek are referring to?
neal claims I was accusing you of something.
And freek chimes in that I'm accusing you, "publicly," and "rumor-mongering
and mud slinging."
Where is the rumor? Where is the accusation? Where's the "mud?"
Questions are simply questions, Jen.
Questions are simply questions, eh Delusional Dan?
And I hope that question made you realize how your leaving for 5 days with a
drug using SO and yer children who are still in the custody of the State
looks to CPS!!!
They can allow their anti-parent bias and paranoid delusions to make them think her trip was an effort to assassinate Shrub. Does not make it so, and they are supposed to be required to base actions and decisions on FACTS... not their personal fantasies and irrational and unfounded suppositions.
I don't care about plans, I don't care about anything but what you should
have done to appease CPS so you could have kept yer kids!!!
Ah yes, Delusional Dan... appease Gestapo CPS.
My my my how similar indeed!
<The rest of Delusional Dan's dishonesty, delusion and braying idiocy mercifully snipped.>
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3E5CD6CD...@attbi.com>...Dan Sullivan wrote:Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3E5C2FCB...@attbi.com>...Dan Sullivan wrote:Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3E5A2F1D...@attbi.com>...As usual, Delusional Dan advises to 'do whatever Gestapo CPS wants'. Mr
Extreme Capitulation.The termite speaks.Call me whatever baseless and irrelevant term you like, Delusional Dan.
My nickname for you has continued to be proven completely accurate and
correct by your posts for years now.They yank the kids for no good reasonCPS removed the children because their parents were no longer in
compliance with the safety plan.Sorry but there is nothing to support that... credibly.Sure there is, the fa turned in a dirty UA.The father is out of the equation and was so before Gestapo CPS sent
their goons with guns to kidnap the kids.
Jennifer was told that the fa couldn't be around the children unless
ha was at CPS.
That a Gestapo CPS caseworker overstepped and overreached her legitimate authority in making such a demand is entirely irrelevant.
She chose to ignore CPS' instructions for almost a week.
As such there is nothing to support that, Delusional Dan.
Sure there is... Jennifer posted that info herself.
Additionally there was nothing in the stated safety plan which precluded
her visiting Klamath Falls.
Jennifer was advised to NOT take this trip.
Entirely irrelevant. The Gestapo CPS caseworker had no legal right to do anything but say she disapproved. That is not enforceable, Delusional Dan.
The service plan had already been breeched.
The fa was STILL around the children.
Additionally there was nothing in the
safety plan requiring her to lose housing to attent a sham meeting.
Jennifer could have gotten a note from her CW that there was a meeting
which Jennifer could not fail to attend.
If the caseworker was intending to leave the kids with Jennifer and was in any way concerned with the well being of the kids while in Jennifer's custody, surely she would not do anything or even suggest anything which would put the family's housing, a basic need, in even POTENTIAL jeopardy.
Or the CW could have sent an email.
You did say they were all under one agency, neal.
Then why didn't the Gestapo CPS caseworker, once informed of the housing meeting (which eliminates any claim she was unaware of it) not do as suggested above, Delusional Dan, if she REALLY wanted Jennifer at the meeting and had only the purest of intentions at that meeting in regards to Jennifer, her kids and their remaining an intact family? Hmmmmm?Convenient!
If you claim otherwise, Delusional Dan, please support your claim with
evidence instead of more of your baseless and unfounded pap, ok?
<chuckle>They have not
shown that the father presented, as would be perceived by a reasonable
and unbiased person, any danger to the children between when they left
on the trip and they returned to their hometown where the father had
already been removed from the home.The failure to comply started prior to the trip.Only on the part of the father.
No, Jennifer failed too.
She failed to keep her children from being around the fa.
Again, Delusional Dan, if you have any legitimate and credible evidence to prove otherwise, do please present it.
I doubt anyone, however, will be holding their breath waiting for you to do so. I know I won't.
The father is out of the equation and as such a non-issue.
The fa wasn't out of the equation until they all got back from the
trip.
So again what was the legitimate reason for their doing so, Delusional Dan, legitimate reason being defined as their having clear and convincing evidence that to leave the children with Jennifer would pose significant risk of severe harm to the children, keeping in mind the severe psychological trauma that removal would do, and HAS DONE, to the children?
Care to present your evidence, Delusional Dan?
Didn't think you would.
What they did from that point til the time Jennifer dropped the kids
off at the FPs makes no difference.So why do you keep bringing it up, Delusional Dan?
What is important and which you apparently fail to grasp is the fact
that CPS told Jennifer that her children could no longer be around the
fa unless he was at CPS.
Jennifer ignored those instructions, as well as others.
So how, specifically, did she not comply with the safety plan Delusional
Dan?How is it you didn't go to court with her?I was not asked.
And as usual your question is entirely specious and ludicrous anyway.
Why? You WERE trying to date her before.
She suggested getting together, not to date but to share information. I suggested a nice neutral place which anyone, pretty much except insane delusional idiots such as yourself apparently, would see as proper. I do not invite unknown people directly to my house as a standard matter of course and neither would I expect her to be entirely comfortable with my doing so.
What exactly is the problem you seem to have with this, Delusional Dan?
Are you jealous for some reason?
Too wasted on vicoden?Ah, yes... took you less than 12 hours to prove me entirely right about
you, Delusional Dan. Thank you for proving once again what a desperate
cretin you are, and how you clearly cannot form a cogent or coherent
argument to support your insanity and dishonesty so you resort to the
likes of this... yet again.
Ah well... how typical of the general offensiveness that is Delusional Dan.
Also further proof of Delusional Dan's continuing inaccuracy and
inability to read apparently... as I clearly stated in the post he is so
unsubtly referring to I do not take Vicodin.
But the truth does not matter to the obsessed liar and admitted Gestapo
CPS Apologist Delusional Dan when he makes his impotent and feeble
pathetic little jabs... never has, likely never will.
Ah well....
<chuckle>
Geez, I only asked a simple question, and what I asked about was
vicoden, not vicodin.
The implication of your question was abundantly clear and your transparent and feeble attempt to backpedal from it is seen and pointed out by me here as exactly what it clearly is, Delusional Dan.
Your sycophants may unquestioningly lap up your lies like french vanilla ice cream, but I am clearly not one of your sycophants.
Implied statements, even when phrased as questions, are still statements, Delusional Dan. No matter how desperately you dishonestly attempt to claim otherwise.
You really must be on a heavy dose.
Can what you have kill you?
Now is any of this relevant to anything, Delusional Dan? Doubtful. I have no suicidal tendancies. Is your question in relation to a plan on your part to sneak into my home and kill me with my own pain medication? I guess only you could answer that one, Delusional Dan, but with your track record of dishonesty I doubt anyone could believe you reliably one way or another.
<chuckle>
Or are you just gonna be in excruciating pain the rest of your life?
I deal with it, like I deal with any unpleasantnesses in my life.
As a pain to me you do not even rate the scale, Delusional Dan. Hope that does not deflate your ego too much.
<chuckle>
Ah yes, further evidence of what a kind, loving and lovely person Delusional Dan is.(one can only hope)
Ah well.. thank you for again showing your true colors for all to see, Delusional Dan. I could not prove as clearly and conclusively that my every assessment and opinion about you was 100% accurate and correct without your able assistance in this manner.
<chuckle>
<The rest of Delusional Dan's dishonesty, delusion and braying idiocy mercifully snipped.>