Even Richard Gelles cites Art History major as CW
Fern5827
and the Interim Head of the Dept of SW at the U of PA, is fond of citing the
story of the untrained *art history* major who is employed at CPS.
CPSCswrkr
>In published information disseminated by one acknowledged expert in the field
and the Interim Head of the Dept of SW at the U of PA, is fond of citing the
story of the untrained *art history* major who is employed at CPS.
So? My parents ran into a chemical engineer working at McDonalds. Didn't make
the fries taste any better.
The training to be a child welfare caseworker is very job specific, so the
nature of the degreee is not all-important. An art history degree can get
someone into a police academy. The training to be a police officer is job
specific, too. Police officers don't have licenses, either.
ricky thompson
"CPSCswrkr" <cpsc...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030123001033...@mb-fs.aol.com...
> >From: fern...@aol.com (Fern5827)
>
> >In published information disseminated by one acknowledged expert in the
field
> and the Interim Head of the Dept of SW at the U of PA, is fond of citing
the
> story of the untrained *art history* major who is employed at CPS.
>
> So? My parents ran into a chemical engineer working at McDonalds. Didn't
make
> the fries taste any better.
>
additionial flavors could, training is important. I suspect the key word to
be untrained. Of course most art majors I've run into think our
Constitution is just out dated mumbo jumbo rather than the Supreme Law of
the Land. ;) I think that belief just may be an important criteria for
passing the neccasary courses LOL.
I've run into a surgical nurse, exbankers, firefighters, teachers and a
police officer working at mcdee's and other fast food joints. If they
folowed procedure the food was good and safe. unfotunately they get as
bored as anyone else and standards slip, you don't want to know how
dangerous that can be, believe me! You will stop eating at any restraunt
without insisting on touring the kitchen, I do lol.
But in many states we can't "tour CPSs' kitchen" so how can we Know that
children are safe? Only by letting the light in, educating the public {and
caseworkers} that due process must be followed, Childrens rights upheld,
accountability for criminal actions by all parties, proper services in place
to help the whole family, and justice for everyone involved.
> The training to be a child welfare caseworker is very job specific, so the
> nature of the degreee is not all-important. An art history degree can get
> someone into a police academy. The training to be a police officer is job
> specific, too. Police officers don't have licenses, either.
>
Personally I think they should! :) Hey if people want to strap a gun on and
go enforce the law I think they need to be licensed for the protection of
everyone. With tests every once in a while on the law, and their duties.
>
Fern5827
rights and law.
Also cw's are fond of BLUFFING or BLOWING OFF INACCURATE INFORMATION. After
all, these folk whom they are serving are "abusers" in their opinion.
And it is true, sad to say non-street wise parents often are naive and
trusting, yet true abusive families have often had contact with Law Enforcement
and tend to know their rights, more.
CPSCswrkr
>I suspect the key word to be untrained.
I suspect you are correct. The disagreement comes when individuals try to
agree on what it means to be appropriately trained.
>Of course most art majors I've run into think our Constitution is just out
dated mumbo jumbo rather than the Supreme Law of the Land. ;)
And I've run into some child welfare workers who think close to the same thing.
They have the liberal view that it is a living and fluid document that merely
suggests a guideline.
>You will stop eating at any restraunt
without insisting on touring the kitchen, I do lol.
Sometimes just hearing about a particular client working at a particular
restaurant stops me from going there.
>But in many states we can't "tour CPSs' kitchen" so how can we Know that
children are safe?
I don't know that it is your job to know that everyone's children are safe.
We're a representative democracy. Parents involved with child welfare need to
become active and involved and educate themselves about child welfare law.
Attorneys and judges and courts and agency licensing inspections exist to make
sure that rights are not violated and that children aren't safe.
>Only by letting the light in...
I don't disagree with any of the points you make here. Again, where we differ
is in who we would assign the reponsibility of carrying out those tasks. I
believe that this can all be done while still respecting a child and family's
right to privacy.
I think the Rilyea Wilson case in Florida is tragic, and there are many others,
too. It's good that we hear about them so we can voice our displeasure with
what is happening that needs to be corrected. But I don't think that you or
Fern or Bill O'Reilly or Court TV are the ones to decide the appropriate course
of action in any particular case.
>>Police officers don't have licenses, either.
>Personally I think they should! :)
That's not what you want. You want a way to know that they are trained and
supervised properly and that they will carry out their duties legally and
fairly. They don't need licenses to meet that objective.
CPSCswrkr
>Also cw's are fond of BLUFFING or BLOWING OFF INACCURATE INFORMATION.
SO DO YOU. I think that YOU need a LICENSE to be allowed to post in this
newsgroup.
>And it is true, sad to say non-street wise parents often are naive and
trusting, yet true abusive families have often had contact with Law Enforcement
and tend to know their rights, more.
For someone who likes to see citations from others, you aren't using too many
yourself. Do you have any backup for this global generalization?
Fern5827
CPScswrkr: you were MISSING FROM NG for a month or so.
It appears you missed a valuable post about Grand Jury Investigation of CPS,
ACS in Dutchess Co., NY.
CW's uniformly failed a knowledge test about laws, recognition of child abuse,
and basic elementary child development facts.
Have you ever seen the test series that ARCO publishes on sw questions?
SOOOOO.....EASSSy.
I'll try to look up original cite.
Fern5827
Grand Jury from NY state report in separate message.
My guess is that CPS must expect more OVERSIGHT, CRITICISM, ACCOUNTABILITY, and
ABOLITION OF IMMUNITY.
Too many folk have been hurt--because sometimes the *cure is worse than the
disease.*
Heck, even Gelles posts such comments as workers not going into some
neighborhoods. I am not making this up.
Do you really think that CPS is above criticism?
I facilitate a group of highly-educated professionals, in different lines of
work, they all voice discontent with the current criminalizing stance of CPS.
Listen.....
CPSCswrkr
>CPScswrkr: you were MISSING FROM NG for a month or so.
A guy can only take so much abuse. Even now you continue to yell at me
(reference your heavy use of caps in your posts).
>Have you ever seen the test series that ARCO publishes on sw questions?
What does that have to do with me? I'm not a social worker, as you so
frequently point out.
>CW's uniformly failed a knowledge test...
I'll go around with anyone who wants to argue PA CPS law and child welfare
regulations. Wait... That's what I've been doing here all along.
CPSCswrkr
>Heck, even Gelles posts such comments...
Oh, does he have another book out? You know what they say about university
faculty: publish or perish.
>Do you really think that CPS is above criticism?
Everyone who consistently reads my posts knows how I feel. Why do you keep on
asking?
And why is it you have never told us what you actually do for a living and how
you interact professionally with child welfare?
>Listen.....
Oh, yeah... I can hear them. I just had to turn up the volume on my speakers.
You're getting so silly. Is that really you, Fern? Or have you hired a ghost
writer while you went off on a trip around the world?