Two Days; Two PCa Scares
Steve Kramer
diagnosed with PSA 3.1, Gleason 6 PCa. Like most of us, 'his doctor didn't
tell him anything else.' He's obviously in a fog. He just turned 40 years
old and has a 5-month-old child. RLRP on the 14th. I'll be meeting him and
his wife soon and will help them through this as best I can. I'll be giving
him some of your email addresses (those 37 to 43 when diagnosed). I hope
you don't mind.
Second, yesterday, my Godfather (and maternal uncle) called. He's 82 and
had an annual physical. His PSA last year was 3.7. His PSA yesterday is
4.8 with a slight enlargement of the prostate. His doctor told him it's
nothing to worry about and to start getting tested every six months. I'll
have to write him a letter (he has no email and lives in Potomac) and help
him with research materials. Steve J., et al, can you remind me the formula
for prostate size and PSA?
Was it Vince that said, "This disease sucks!"? Whoever it was, nailed it.
--
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA undetectable since; last checked on 06/04/09
Illegitimati non carborundum
Steve Jordan
> Steve J., et al, can you remind me the formula for prostate size and PSA?
The formula is gland volume x .066 = benign-related PSA.
See page F4 of _A Primer...._
and
http://www.prostate-cancer.org/education/preclin/StrumPogliano_EveryDocShouldKnow.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/klgyb
I hope all goes well.
Regards,
Steve J
jloomis
Like a shadow......
Sorry to hear such a young man having to face this insidious disease.
My thoughts go out to him and his wife and child.
Same thought to your GodFather.
After all the life and living having to deal with this........
john
"Steve Kramer" <skr...@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
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safire
> "Steve Kramer" <skr...@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:h7lu6i$q6g$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> First, on the 31st, a former subordinate
Mailroom staff have subordinates???
called me to tell me that he's
>> been
>> diagnosed with PSA 3.1, Gleason 6 PCa. Like most of us, 'his doctor
>> didn't
>> tell him anything else.' He's obviously in a fog. He just turned 40
>> years
>> old and has a 5-month-old child. RLRP on the 14th.
Apparently neither his doctor nor anyone else (including Kramer) told
him it's stupid to rush into treatment based on these numbers alone.
Steve Kramer
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: On September 2, Steve K wrote:
:
: > Steve J., et al, can you remind me the formula for prostate size and
PSA?
:
: The formula is gland volume x .066 = benign-related PSA.
:
: See page F4 of _A Primer...._
Thanks for the formula and the reference - which I have in my library.
Bill
At 40 I'd make another baby. Or at least bank some sperm.
Bill/Memphis
Steve Kramer
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: At 82 I'd forget about it.
:
: At 40 I'd make another baby. Or at least bank some sperm.
:
: Bill/Memphis
Re 82, he's got Atrial Fibrillation, bouncing cumatin, congestive heart
failure, and diabetes. Other that bad knees, he was in great shape on his
80th birthday. This has been a rough 2� years. Frankly, I don't know why
the doctor did a PSA test. I sent him a letter today (he has no email)
giving him your sentiment.
Re 40, I'll tell him of that option, but I suspect he'd prefer leaving no
futher fatherless issue.
Steve Kramer
: futher fatherless issue.
Update: Met with the 40 YOA last night. He is still in fantastic physical
shape. Works full time in an active occupation and the rest of the week
helps his mother-in-law raise her Blank Angus beeves. Spends two hours at a
minimum everyday with his children. Really neat guy.
His numbers are G6, 3.6 PSA, cancer in 3 of 12 needles. He doesn't know his
stage (or most of anything else discussed at his urology consult). I'm
suspecting an eraser-sized tumor in one lobe. Scheduled for LRPR on the
14th. He borrowed three books (Walsh, Scardino, and Strum) and vowed to
read them before surgery. I wished I had had Walsh's 2nd Edition for him,
but at 40 YOA, his choices are limited.
Alex
"safire" <saf...@tele-net.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mailroom staff have subordinates???
>
Amazing how Safire can seize even the most prosaic comment as an opportunity
to behave like an asshole.
Note to any newcomers to this group -- The vast majority of folks who
participate here are well-intentioned, even if their views about prostate
cancer may diverge widely. But we do have a couple of guys whose disease
seems to have metastasized to the their brains and killed the Decency Lobe.
Ignore them, or at least do not let them discourage you from hanging out
here. Think of this newsgroup as a garden of ideas, and these few as manure.
Alex
Steve Kramer
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:
: "safire" <saf...@tele-net.com> wrote in message
: news:h7mhg8$v9r$1...@aioe.org...
: >
: > Mailroom staff have subordinates???
: >
:
: Amazing how Safire can seize even the most prosaic comment as an
opportunity
: to behave like an asshole.
I think that's pretty much the definition of a troll. However, if it is any
consolation, I did start my career out delivering mail from the mailroom.
Let's see, I think my first biweekly pay check, after taxes, was $63.21.
That included healthcare. ;-)
safire
> : "safire" <saf...@tele-net.com> wrote in message
> : news:h7mhg8$v9r$1...@aioe.org...
> : >
> : > Mailroom staff have subordinates???
> : >
> :
> if it is any
> consolation, I did start my career out delivering mail from the mailroom.
> Let's see, I think my first biweekly pay check, after taxes, was $63.21.
sub�or�di�nate (s-b�rdn-t)
adj.
1. Belonging to a lower or inferior class or rank; secondary.
2. Subject to the authority or control of another.
n.
One that is subordinate, a person or thing that is of lesser rank or
importance.
Only subordinates (meaning 1) refer to subordinates (meaning 2) as
subordinates.
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Alex
>
> sub�or�di�nate (s-b�rdn-t)
> adj.
> 1. Belonging to a lower or inferior class or rank; secondary.
> 2. Subject to the authority or control of another.
> n.
> One that is subordinate, a person or thing that is of lesser rank or
> importance.
>
> Only subordinates (meaning 1) refer to subordinates (meaning 2) as
> subordinates.
>
Associated Press: "Four soldiers have been charged with cruelty and
maltreatment of subordinates."
United Press International: " Managers and others in leadership roles
should think twice before ridiculing subordinates or acting disrespectfully
toward them, U.S. researchers suggest."
Prof. Richard P. Rumelt, UCLA Anderson School of Management: "The most
important job of any manager is to break down a situation into challenges
that subordinates can handle."
General Stephen R. Lorenz, Commander, Air Education and Training Command,
U.S. Air Force: "It is important that commanders... don't foster an
environment where subordinates are afraid to get decisions from anywhere but
the top. At the same time, leaders must guard against exploiting the
availability of others, especially subordinates. Such exploitation will only
reinforce to subordinates that decisions can only come from the top."
Safire, only those who either suffer from subordinate intelligence or feel
that that are of subordinate value to others distort both the meaning and
the intent of another poster's comments to make the unwarranted and
valueless kinds of comments you so frequently eructate.
That's especially disappointing because, from time to time, you actually
have something useful and interesting to add to the dialgue here.
Unfortunately, I think you have earned your way onto the Kill files of so
many e-mail readers that these go unseen.
Alex
RickMerrill
In the military "superiors" have what is called "legitimate" authority:
they simply outrank subordinates. However, in a working group of any
kind it is important to recognize the "knowhow" authority or experience
of the members because they can make better decisions than just the top
guy. Or as Robert Burns said, "The man's the pure gold for all that."
Steve Kramer
:
: "safire" <saf...@tele-net.com> wrote in message
: news:h7tp6j$o9r$1...@aioe.org...
: >
: > sub�or�di�nate (s-b�rdn-t)
: > adj.
: > 1. Belonging to a lower or inferior class or rank; secondary.
: > 2. Subject to the authority or control of another.
: > n.
: > One that is subordinate, a person or thing that is of lesser rank or
: > importance.
: >
: > Only subordinates (meaning 1) refer to subordinates (meaning 2) as
: > subordinates.
:
: Safire, only those who either suffer from subordinate intelligence or feel
: that that are of subordinate value to others distort both the meaning and
: the intent of another poster's comments to make the unwarranted and
: valueless kinds of comments you so frequently eructate.
Very well said, Alex.
Personally, I have been on the subordinate (No. 2) side of some
relationships all my life. I've also been on the superior (higher in space,
order, or rank) side of some most of my adult life. Recognizing that may be
politically incorrect in Safire's socialistic dream world, but in the real
world it is pragmatically efficient.
Steve Kramer
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: In the military "superiors" have what is called "legitimate" authority:
: they simply outrank subordinates. However, in a working group of any
: kind it is important to recognize the "knowhow" authority or experience
: of the members because they can make better decisions than just the top
: guy. Or as Robert Burns said, "The man's the pure gold for all that."
Organizational Behavior; right? It was 1994, but I know I got an "A" on
that test. Legal, Expert, Referent, Reward, Coercive, ... Damn! Missing
two.
RickMerrill
damn, you're good! With Google's help:
referent (charisma) authority;
legitimate (formal rank) authority;
expert (experience) authority;
reward (golden rule) authority;
coercive (jack bauer) authority;
family (or tribal) authority;
missing one?
... One way to gain referent authority is to be helpful. ... or pretty!
oops!
RickMerrill
Alex
> Personally, I have been on the subordinate (No. 2) side of some
> relationships all my life.
>
I think that's true of any guy who's had the good luck to talk a woman into
marrying him! (g)
Alex