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Califchief

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Feb 4, 2010, 7:35:00 PM2/4/10
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This is almost 2 years old and I don't know if it was mentioned in ASCP.

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Study: Surgery Patients More Likely To Have Problems
If They Receive Older Blood Transfusions
Wednesday, March 19, 2008 15:09 EST

Atlanta, Georgia -- Heart surgery patients were more likely to die or suffer
problems if they received transfusions of blood that is more than two weeks old
rather than fresher blood, according to a new study that adds to the debate
about the shelf life of blood.

Although not the final word, the study underscores concerns that blood
deteriorates with age and that rules allowing blood to be stored for six
weeks may pose a safety risk, at least for certain patients.

The findings bolster the argument of those who believe that older blood
should be avoided, wrote Dr. John Adamson of the University of
California at San Diego, in an editorial accompanying the study in this
week's New England Journal of Medicine.

"However, the results of this study will not settle the debate" because
the patients studied were not representative of all transfusion
recipients, he added.

The report was limited to heart surgery patients, but similar results
have been shown in smaller studies that looked at other types of patients.

The Food and Drug Administration's six-week rule allows blood centers to
endure shortages in donations and to maintain supplies of rare blood types.

The study's lead author, Dr. Colleen Gorman Koch of the Cleveland
Clinic, did not call for an immediate change to the FDA rule. But Koch
said a more rigorous study is already under way that could carry the
scientific weight to persuade the FDA to reconsider its policy.

In a statement, the FDA said the findings were "provocative," but that
more rigorous testing would be needed before it reviews the policy.
Still, the agency said, doctors may wish to consider the report in
making treatment decisions.

It's not clear exactly why blood stored for longer periods is riskier.
Some researchers say stored blood becomes depleted of oxygen-carrying
chemicals. Red blood cells also become more rigid in storage, impeding
their flow through the body.

Researchers examined the records of 6,000 patients who were given blood
transfusions during heart-bypass or heart-valve surgery. All of the
patients were treated at the Cleveland Clinic from June 30, 1998,
through Jan. 30, 2006.

A little less than half of the patients received blood that had been
stored for 14 days or less, and a little more than half got blood that
was older. The amount of blood given to patients in both groups was similar.

The study found that the one-year survival rate was 89 percent for those
who got older blood, but nearly 93 percent for patients who got fresher
blood.

Complication rates were higher in the older blood group, with higher
proportions of those patients suffering kidney failure, blood infections
or multiple organ failure, or needing ventilator care more than 72 hours
after surgery.

The average age of the "old" blood was 20 days, not the full 42 days
allowed by the FDA. The average age of the fresher blood was 11 days.

The median age of patients in the study was 70 years, and many had other
illnesses in addition to their heart problems.

The findings were similar to smaller studies of colorectal cancer
surgery patients in Denmark, cancer surgery patients in Spain, sepsis
patients in Canada and trauma patients in Colorado. Each of those
studies found higher rates of various complications in patients who
received older transfused blood when compared with patients who got
fresher blood.

About half of heart surgery patients get transfusions, typically
receiving one or two units, according to the study's authors.

A number of hospitals have re-evaluated long-standing practices and
taken steps to minimize transfusions. One example: Duke University
Medical Center in North Carolina has reduced its use of transfused blood
products by 17% in the past 3-1/2 years.

Concern about the safety of older blood for cardiac patients is one
reason for the change at Duke, said Dr. Sunil Rao, a Duke assistant
professor of medicine who runs the cardiac catheterization labs at the
Durham VA Medical Center.

Through the years, scientists have made strides in screening donated
blood for HIV and other infections, so it's understandable that some may
believe the safety of transfused blood is firmly established. But
questions about older blood keep recurring, pointing out a need for
additional research, Rao added.

"We are only now starting to realize what happens to blood when it is
drawn out of a human body and sent to the blood bank for storage," he said.

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jloomis

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Feb 5, 2010, 9:58:14 AM2/5/10
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I know with most surgeries, the Dr. asks the patient to provide blood for
the surgery.
I had to draw blood 2 times for my surgery. I do not believe they used the
blood, but will in case of serious loss.
The article seems to indicate that the use of blood after storage is in
question.
john
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Tom Cular

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Feb 5, 2010, 6:31:54 PM2/5/10
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Guys,
Three years ago I had a quad bypass, (and I'm still here to be a PIA), at
the time my surgeon said that autologous donation was unnecessary and that
they predicted a very low risk of needing additional blood. They were
correct, I didn't need any additional blood, perhaps it depends on the
surgeon and his/her procedures/ skill level.

Tom

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chazjac

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Feb 5, 2010, 6:53:28 PM2/5/10
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"Tom Cular" <tho...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> [snip] ...perhaps it depends on the surgeon and his/her procedures/ skill
> level.
>

Could be the procedure itself, too. On my LRP surgery report was the note
that I had lost a total of 80 cc of blood during the surgery, which is
around 1/3 cup. I don't know if that's a lot for an LRP or not, but I know
that I needed no top-up during the surgery.

What do men typically lose during RRP? Anyone know offhand?

--charlie


Vince

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Feb 5, 2010, 10:54:23 PM2/5/10
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I was told before my RRP that you do lose a lot of blood with this type
of procedure. I had 3 units of my blood stored before my RRP and was
told by my surgeon afterwards that he used it all.

Vince

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Steve Kramer

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Feb 6, 2010, 6:03:55 AM2/6/10
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"chazjac" <cha...@live.com> wrote in message
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> Could be the procedure itself, too. On my LRP surgery report was the note
> that I had lost a total of 80 cc of blood during the surgery, which is
> around 1/3 cup. I don't know if that's a lot for an LRP or not, but I
> know that I needed no top-up during the surgery.
>
> What do men typically lose during RRP? Anyone know offhand?

I don't know, but I understand they no longer take autologous blood in
anticipation of a problem. I'm not sure if that is because there procedures
have improved or they are no longer fearful of the blood supply.


Alan Meyer

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Feb 9, 2010, 4:01:44 PM2/9/10
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chazjac wrote:
> ...

> What do men typically lose during RRP? Anyone know offhand?

Why their prostate of course!

[Sorry Charlie, I couldn't resist.]

Alan

chazjac

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Feb 9, 2010, 9:50:33 PM2/9/10
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Hah!

Okay, off topic. You reminded me of an infamous quiz problem:

Problem: expand (a + b)^2.

Student's answer:

(a + b)^2

(a + b)^2

(a + b)^2

--charlie

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