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Terry Polevoy  
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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
From: tpole...@healthwatcher.net (Terry Polevoy)
Date: 1 Nov 2003 13:34:14 -0800
Local: Sat, Nov 1 2003 4:34 pm
Subject: Re: Quackpot Barrett THRASHED in Illinois High Court...
The illogical motives of Ilena Rosenthal are a puzzlement. Why does
she continue to present previous defamatory and libelous statements of
others after the recent Court of Appeal's decision in California?

It's illogical indeed. I think that since she wants to bring up the
Lily Casura article again, it might be time for a little Common Sense
101. Who in their bloody right mind would continue to post copyrighted
articles that have been previously withdrawn from the Magazine's web
site because the content of them was without question, and baseless.
Who, but Ilena Rosenthal, that's who.

Who is the liar here folks?

Here is my recent e-mail to the Shared Vision Magazine in Vancouver
that will set the record straight. I think that Ilena's lawyer needs
to sit down with her and advise her of the consequences of what she
does. Indeed, the EFF attorney needs to get off the pot, because the
lower court now has a chance to revisit the entire issue of free
speech and internet libel.

Dear Shared Vision Magazine management:

In January 2001 your magazine published an article called
Natural Medicine:
BC Leads the Way
By Lily G. Casura

I objected strongly to the misinformation and defamation in the
article as I recall, and you immediatly removed this article from your
internet site. In fact, I can't find the article for that issue on
your site. So, you did remove it from your site.

http://www.shared-vision.com/old_site/y01m01/

So, Ms. Ilena Rosenthal, who I will face in court in California for
repeating lie after lie after lie by someone else, now lies again. And
she violates your copyright law.

The google group post below on October 31, 2003 was from Ilena
Rosenthal. The entire Casura article is republished.

I assume that it is without your permission.

I wonder if your magazine might want to comment on what happened, and
tell them why you withdrew the article from your site. I suggest that
you answer her directly on the Google Group link provided below.

A recent court case in the Appelate Court in California went against
Ilena Rosenthal, and I can now complete the lawsuit for defamation and
libel against her there.

We will be calling Ms. Casura as a witness I can assure you.

Here is the present link that you must review. It is not only libelous
and defamatory to me, but it violates your copyright law.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=2...

In case you need to review the fact in the case about myself, Hulda
Clark, Christine McPhee, etc. it might be a good idea to look here:

This is the text of an e-mail that I sent to you on January 4, 2001:
In regards to the January 2001 issue of Shared Vision Magazine
http://www.shared-vision.com/y01m01/storya01.html

The article by Lily G. Casura is a terrible example of the alternative
medical movement.

As a result of the publication of this article on the web, millions of
potential readers have the opportunity to be duped by statements made
by
the author.

I think that you owe Dr. Barrett, Dr. Marchuck and myself an apology
for
printing not only defamatory information, but you also linked to the
wrong web site.

There are so many lies in the piece, we ask that you immediately
retract
the piece and issue an apology on the site. IF this is not done
immediately, we will be contacting our attorney to seek legal redress.

Where did Ms. Casura, the author, get her information? She never spoke
to me.
Who is the identity of the medical doctor, the colleague of McPhee's,
who alleges that I sent her 100 e-mails?

My web site is not a hate site. It was never shut down by anyone.
McPhee
knows that and she is lying.

This is not just terrible example of yellow journalism. For the author
and the editor and publisher of the magazine to repeat lies and false
accusations allegedly made by at least two unnamed individuals, and
Christine McPhee is a very serious matter.

Shared Vision Magazine is published in Vancouver, B.C.
#203 - 873 Beatty Street
                 Vancouver, BC
                 V6B 2M6

                 Tel: (604) 733-5062
                 Fax: (604) 731-1050
                 Toll Free: 1-800-929-0991

                 E-mail: mailto:publis...@shared-vision.com
                 http://www.shared-vision.com

                 Publisher

                      Rex Weyler
                      mailto:r...@shared-vision.com

                 Editor

                      Susan Squarey
                      mailto:edi...@shared-vision.com

I believe that Lily Casura lives in Washington State, in the U.S. She
says that she is a SYSOP for an alternative medical forum on
Compuserve.

http://www.lilyonline.com/

She writes books
http://www.selfhealthpress.com/

What are her medical credentials, or even her journalistic
credentials?

This is from her own web site:
"After suffering greatly from the outrageous slings and arrows of
widespread copyright
       infringement, I'm no longer so enamored of writing, and am
choosing to focus more on web
       development and automating lawyers' offices for efficiency,
both
of which are highly enjoyable
       and save you from someone making 3,500 copies of your work ;-).
If you'd like to know more
       about these pursuits, please ask me."

Well, I would like to ask her, but of course that is not possible
under
the circumstances.

Does she belong to any professional medical or journalistic
associations?
http://www.lilyonline.com/by_the_author.htm

She says she now helps lawyers automate their offices:
http://www.lilyonline.com/automating_law_offices.htm

I wonder if any lawyer proof-read her article before it appeared in
Shared-Vision Magazine?

I expect that the web site that contains the false allegations and
libel
will be taken down immediately, and that any printed versions will
contain a full apology in the next issue.

Sincerely,

Terry Polevoy

---------------------------------------------

Sources of valid information about the case:

Court decision files:
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/A096451.PDF
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/A096451.DOC

Web sites and searches:
http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/index.html
http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Hulda_Clark/index.html

http://www.google.ca/search?q=site%3Aquackwatch.com+%22hulda+clark%22...

Sources of incomplete information about the case:
http://www.eff.org/Legal/Cases/Barrett_v_Clark/20010730_eff_ruling_pr...
- The EFF hasn't updated their web page as of November 1, 2003, and
that's over two weeks after the case was overturned on appeal.

http://talkinternational.com/news_health_july_28_01.htm  - This man is
presently being sued by Stephen Barrett in CANADA.

http://www.healthfreedomlaw.com/  - Carlos Negrete's sorry and
incomplete web site fails to mention the recent turnaround in the
Appeals Court.

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Here are my comments made on August 24, 2001 in regards to the
repeated posting by Ilena Rosenthal on the internet of the defamatory
article. It also includes an objection by Stephen Barrett.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=polevoy+casura&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&o...

 Here are further links to posts by Rosenthal of that Casura article
even though it had been removed from your web site. Who gave her
permission to use the article at your magazine?
:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=polevoy+casura&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en

The link to the entire Hulda Clark story, Tim Bolen, and Christine
McPhee is still on my site. I think that you need to read the latest
news.

http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/

Lily G Casura's present website is here:
http://www.lilyonline.com/writing/articles.htm

It clearly says this on her site:
Copyright notice and reprint availability:  It is illegal to reproduce
or distribute these works in any manner or medium without written
permission of the author and copyright holder.  Reprints of the
following articles can be purchased directly by contacting Lily
Online, P.O. Box 50467, Bellevue, WA  98015-0467.

I wonder if Lily G Casura realizes that defamatory and libelous posts
are still being made by Ilena Rosenthal in the article that she wrote
for Shared Vision Magazine nearly three years after your magazine took
it off their web site.

She actually lists this defamatory article on her own website.

"Natural Medicine: British Columbia Leads the Way."  Shared Vision
(Canada).  January, 2001.

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