**Very intelligent answer.
**In the tax form it states:
**Provided 24 hours/365 days- on line support.
**Just wondering what kind of support....
**http://www.guidestar.org/pdf/1999/952/664/1999-952664938-1-Z.pdf

Thank you.

Too bad the manufacturers have so much more money to buy off the women
like this self righteous poster ... so they can create distraction,
confusion, and erase all the damaging evidence against them.

More constructively than Posting the reams of information that Chris has
researched and posted on the internet?
More constructive than helping to expose
Ilena and what she is?
Thank God for the whistle blowers!

I think it is obvious that what happened between Chris and Ilena is that Chris,
after putting, who knows how much,
money in Ilena's coffers, didn't send
Ilena any money from her settlement.

In article <20020409171017.04407.00004...@mb-fi.aol.com>, oorer...@aol.com
(OOREROOM) wrote a bunch of goon BS

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/bm.html
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/maan.html

...and since you were offered the damaging documents and you are not
taking the offer, many have come to the conclusion that you are not
working for the women, but may very well be working for the ones that
harmed them.

there's no doubt what has taken place with the breast implant issue is so
wrong. Grossly unjust and the deep anger is certainly undertood.
But.
If someone asks for donations, isn't it up to an individual on a personal
level, to decide whether or not they care to donate to a cause?
So, if that is the case (in this case) why would that be a problem for you?
if somebody want's to donate to Ilena for implant support and information ,
so what?
It just seems to me you are all on the same side here in wanting justice for
the implant victims, in wanting some answers to the health issues the
implants cause, etc.
This is what is so puzzling. If you are on the same side, then why all this
bickering and contention?
If the goal is to bring the truth to light, then why not work together
instead of against one another?
you all (with the exception of a couple people here) have posted some very
good and beneficial information.
Ilena has, you have, cisi has, so why why why why is there so much
bitterness here?
You all must have been friends once upon a time.
But alot of the time, this forum looks more like a boxing ring then a
support group.
There are others who obviously just want to fight because that is about all
they ever post are just stupid and nasty remarks.
Also something I find a little odd, alot of the implant women are in poverty
because of medical costs and ongoing health issues. My point is, if Ilena
targeted implant women as a way to get rich, well, I think a "real" scammer
would have picked a different group. Also when Dow filed bankruptcy, if
Ilena were a scammer, I would think she certainly would have balied then.
But such has not been the case.
These are just things I think about in my reasoning.
I hope you folks can just work all of this out and be a team, you could be
oh so much more effective if you all just worked together.

news:9713e020.0204091217.5bd6fd81@posting.google.com...

obviously you missed my point.
seeing you are one of the biggest trouble makers on this board, I think I
will leave you to figure this out in a very small and narrow area , probably
better known as your mind.

news:20020409171017.04407.00004450@mb-fi.aol.com...

Thank you ... for a very logical, common sense response to an ongoing
problem.

Unfortunately, the help so desperately needed by so many women is getting
buried in a pile of garbage.

Those who charge obsession, are displaying their own obsession, etc.

Those who claim to support implanted women are thwarting the very
information that could help them.

What is the number one priority here? To hassle Ilena, or to help those
injured by implants?

Isn't there something really very wrong with this picture?

Will it never end?

Rogene

news:pXIs8.66$S54.50044@news.abs.net...

In article <N5Ks8.2917$CA6.254...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,

**Will it never end?
**
**Rogene

It is my opinion that until the manufacturers and their PR team have full
control over the information on this board ... they will continue their
constant attacks.

Rogene:
The simple problem here is one of disclosure.  The number one priority
of this board SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN the support of breast implant
victims.  Alas, the effort, in my opinion was twarted from the very
beginning by having "our" self-proclaimed advocate hunker down here,
and immediately shoot with her kamikazi mouth, rather than try to get
two brain cells together to handle the advocacy that should have been
presented on this board in a respectful and professional manner.

She does continue to pander for funds while using the greater implant
community as her poster children, and has made enemies out of a good
half of the support system for our victims, and many of the victims
themselves.  She has badgered, berated, lied about, slandered, to
justify putting up webpages about them, and then again slam for
contributions.

The victims have a right to know who and what funds Ilena's
floundation to keep her in our midst.

Rogene, I rarely break confidence.  I am known in this cause for that
personal creed, but I am going to break it now.  A year ago, when
"grouplet" was falling apart, you told me in confidence that Ilena
treated many of her funds as "gifts" rather than "contributions" and
these "gifts were not reported.  I honored your request of
confidentiality, when you said I could use the information, if I kept
your name out of it!

Then, when I reported here on this board what had been disclosed to me
by you, and kept your name confidential, you immediately came out with
a posting that I was being divisive.  I feel your behavior during that
time absolutely was to set me up, and I didn't appreciate it then, and
I don't appreciate it now.

For us to sit quietly by and not disclose what Ilena's operation,
consists of is criminal to all implant victims that visit here.  If a
woman comes here, and has full disclosure of Ilena's business
background, and her antics on this board, and still feels comfortable
contributing, then that is her free choice to do so.

But inquiring minds wish to know, how is it that Ilena Rosenthal,
Pepper Spray salesperson; counterfit bill detector salesperson;
timeshare slammer; business partner of Anthony Zaffuto (founder of
Calvary Boys Ranch/which became Teens in Trouble/which became
Humantics Foundation), and the author of books & videos, "Solo Male
Ecstasy," and/or "The Complete Guide to Oral Lovemaking," woke up one
morning, and said, "I think I want to be a silicone breast implant
advocate."

Something doesn't smell right.  Who is responsible for "importing"
this un-implanted woman, with this sleeze factor background, with a
penchant for doing battle with everyone in her midst, into our
realm???  If you can find the answer to that, you will have a better
understanding of what we are dealing with here.

To remain silent regarding Ilena, is the same as the Catholic Church
simply moving priests around, while they pay off, and gag the victims.
  I simply cannot allow that to occur. It allows a new generation of
victims to be born, through the misguided antics of silence.

Myrl

In article <9713e020.0204092016.59e3e...@posting.google.com>,

 A year ago, when
**"grouplet" was falling apart, you told me in confidence that Ilena
**treated many of her funds as "gifts" rather than "contributions" and
**these "gifts were not reported.  I honored your request of
**confidentiality, when you said I could use the information, if I kept
**your name out of it!

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html

First, I sincerely doubt Rogene told you that ...

In fact, we have deposited all the contributions made out to me personally
or Humantics Foundation to the Humantics Foundation bank account and
reported them to the IRS.

Many women sent their small donations with notes to use for something
personal ... but we chose instead to deposit all of these to cover the
expenses of the telephone, mailings, internet, and the scores of other
expenses related to raising awareness to the dangers of breast implants.

Wrong again Myrl ... and what a Busy Body you are ... to use your word,
"hunkering" down on this Newsgroup to post lie after lie after lie about
me.

I spoke to the women who did pay Eugene Lokey ... you were, as always,
wrong about what you posted on that too.

In article <ilena-0904022126470...@dt011n65.san.rr.com>, il...@san.rr.com

of course ilena, you have already stated to all of us that you threw receipts
in a shoebox and that you co-mingled funds and it would take a major effort to
figure out the money issue--you had people willing to come and help you get
things straight, but you wouldn't do that--you had Bob willing to give you
funds to get your operation legal, but you refused--it would have interferred
with your operation!

Only those with something to hide refuse full disclosure with a supposed
non-profit!

I agree.  But it is also important
that  the folks know to whom
and for what purpose.  I'm sure
you know by now that Ilena has
been less than honest about her
Floundation.  Experience tells
most that if someone lies to you
about one thing and gets away
with it, they will lie to you about
anything.

That is fine.  I, for one, just
like to see informed consent.

Sure.  The majority of the folks
who post here regularly have
been supportive of Ilena at a
time and have eventually seen
through Ilena's scam, the rest
are in denial or have gone away
in embarrassment for being
duped or haven't got the guts
to  admit they've been duped.  
Her supporters have been dwindling..

My dear "unknown" Ilena is in
contact with  those who can
afford computers and internet
service so she doesn't come in
contact with most of the folks
in this issue.
She started this newsgroup by
recognizing a market and going
after a market share.
Many of the women who have
come and gone here have been
deserted by their  husbands who
wanted them to get implants or
by many of their friends and some
by members of their family who
don't want to hear about their
aches and pains and health problems.
There was a multi-billion dollar
settlement on the table when she
got involved.  There has been a
multi-billion dollar settlement on
the table since then.  She will not
go until she has milked whatever
she can from these women.  You
will note that she is off the
wall whenever someone asks her
a question or makes a suggestion,
that  questions her authority.  
She is particularly angry with
women who have settled (or been
"bought off" in Ilena speak).
As far as Ilena posting valuable
on information; she most often passes
things that other people research.  
It scares the hell out of her every time
she leaves for a few days and sees
that things go on perfectly well without
her.
Ilena is an opportunistic, egotistical,
greedy hag who will not leave us
alone until she feels she has gained
all she can.
The archives tell the story.  Try taking
a look without whatever blinders you
are wearing.  You just may come to
understand.

Myrl,

You have twisted what I told you around until it is unrecognizable to me.

I have not attacked you personally . . . I don't intend to do so. It makes
me very sad to see what is happening. I still don't understand why you are
acting this way.

I have stated that anyone could gift Ilena (at least up to $10,000), and she
is not required by IRS to report it. Anyone who wants to give Ilena a gift,
or donation, may do so. It's strictly voluntary . . . . The only complaints
we hear are from those who want to get rid of her.

I stand behind Ilena's refusal to disclose who gifts her, or who makes
donations to her foundation. It's no ones business, except hers and the
person making the gift or donation. Some people do not want their name
publicized in connection with a controversial issue.

Why does anyone care? What difference does it make? \

It's plain and simple. Ilena is responsible to the IRS for reporting her
income - she need not report gifts. . . If she is not operating within the
law, she will have to answer to the IRS.

Meanwhile, I intend to mind my own business!

Personally, I'd be happy if she received a million bucks! She's worth that,
and more!

I'm sure those backing the distracters on this board would give that much to
get rid of her!

Rogene

In article <mzPs8.3989$CA6.283...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,

**Myrl,
**
**You have twisted what I told you around until it is unrecognizable to me.
**
**I have not attacked you personally . . . I don't intend to do so. It makes
**me very sad to see what is happening. I still don't understand why you are
**acting this way.
**
**I have stated that anyone could gift Ilena (at least up to $10,000), and she
**is not required by IRS to report it. Anyone who wants to give Ilena a gift,
**or donation, may do so. It's strictly voluntary . . . . The only complaints
**we hear are from those who want to get rid of her.
**
**I stand behind Ilena's refusal to disclose who gifts her, or who makes
**donations to her foundation. It's no ones business, except hers and the
**person making the gift or donation. Some people do not want their name
**publicized in connection with a controversial issue.
**
**Why does anyone care? What difference does it make? \
**
**It's plain and simple. Ilena is responsible to the IRS for reporting her
**income - she need not report gifts. . . If she is not operating within the
**law, she will have to answer to the IRS.

I have deposited all gifts and donations made out to me or to the
Humantics Foundation into the Humantics Foundation bank account and
reported them to the IRS.

Thanks for clarifying, Rogene ... I doubted that Myrl's rendition was accurate.

She has further made false accusations claiming Martha Murdock gave me
$2500 and paid for my trips to Dallas and to the IOM.

When asked to show evidence, she had none, and Martha hides like a coward
behind Myrl who has apparently become the Spokeswoman for Martha.

She has posted other lies claiming I was paid for working on AB 1609 ...

**Personally, I'd be happy if she received a million bucks! She's worth that,
**and more!
**
**I'm sure those backing the distracters on this board would give that much to
**get rid of her!
**
**Rogene

And it would be so so easy.

Slip them a "settlement" which is secret ... no one would know and they of
course, would never admit to anything.

Thanks again, Rogene.

In article <mzPs8.3989$CA6.283...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Rogene"

Would you all stop confusing those who disagree with rosie with those who want
to get rid of her!  I personnally sign on here just to see the BS that she
posts and would not want that source of entertainment to go away.  But I do no
want my disagreement with every fiber in her miserable, dried up, fizzy,
illogical body to be confused with wanting her to go away.
MP...@AOL.com

Rogene:
I'd say having you piggyback on my thread about the "gift" disclosure,
and I take your talking about being devisive, as clear indication,
that you were using the oportunity to bash for reporting what you told
me I could use, as long as your name was left out of it.

Again, you may feel it is no one's business who funds Ilena's
operation.  But to the large number of us who are being abused by her
occupation of our cause, we feel it would be "interesting" who is
aiding and abetting that.

I suspect we would all be very amazed. . . Some feel she does more
damage to the breast implant image, than all the manufacturer PR
machines put together.

Myrl

In article <9713e020.0204100159.29293...@posting.google.com>, my...@jps.net

I really don't care who is giving rosie money as much as rosie taking credit
for things which I do not think she has done.  Has there ever been any credible
documentation that rosie has given a dime of "her hard earned money" to anyone?

I didn't think so.  We only have rosies word and we all know what that is
worth.
MP...@AOL.com