Looking for support?
Zed
your autism better, you're in the wrong place. All you'll hear here is
people telling you they got over it and so should you. period. End of
story. I'm going to get a hold of as many books anyone has ever
written about their childhood I can find, and burn them, as this is
obviously highly inappropriate subject matter.
Bob Badour
I recommend more and better sleep. I suspect when your mind is fresh you
will recognize your current behaviour as unwarranted.
Zed
I've been awake 2hrs after 9 hrs of sleep,100 push ups and breakfast.
Whatcha got to say now professor?
And your condescending crap is what I call inappropriate.
Or are you just a troll looking for poor schleps like me to pounce on?
Bob Badour
> On Nov 19, 7:45 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>Zed wrote:
>>
>>>If you're looking for support in coming to terms with or understanding
>>>your autism better, you're in the wrong place. All you'll hear here is
>>>people telling you they got over it and so should you. period. End of
>>>story. I'm going to get a hold of as many books anyone has ever
>>>written about their childhood I can find, and burn them, as this is
>>>obviously highly inappropriate subject matter.
>>
>>I recommend more and better sleep. I suspect when your mind is fresh you
>>will recognize your current behaviour as unwarranted.
>
> I've been awake 2hrs after 9 hrs of sleep,100 push ups and breakfast.
> Whatcha got to say now professor?
My first observation is if you are sleeping 9 hrs at a time, you are
probably sleep deprived. My second observation is if you are sleeping
from 11am until 8pm, your sleep is way out of whack from normal
circadian rhythms. I reiterate my recommendation for more and better sleep.
Do you work shiftwork that requires you sleep during the day?
> And your condescending crap is what I call inappropriate.
The condescension is entirely inside your head. Do you project your own
condescension onto what I write?
Zed
> Zed wrote:
> > On Nov 19, 7:45 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >>Zed wrote:
>
> >>>If you're looking for support in coming to terms with or understanding
> >>>your autism better, you're in the wrong place. All you'll hear here is
> >>>people telling you they got over it and so should you. period. End of
> >>>story. I'm going to get a hold of as many books anyone has ever
> >>>written about their childhood I can find, and burn them, as this is
> >>>obviously highly inappropriate subject matter.
>
> >>I recommend more and better sleep. I suspect when your mind is fresh you
> >>will recognize your current behaviour as unwarranted.
>
> > I've been awake 2hrs after 9 hrs of sleep,100 push ups and breakfast.
> > Whatcha got to say now professor?
>
> My first observation is if you are sleeping 9 hrs at a time, you are
> probably sleep deprived.
And you would be wrong.
Obviously you have a major fixation with sleep deprivation.
I get plenty of sleep (and exercise), and I have no sleep disorders.
I know by now that can't accept that, but it's the way it is
nonetheless.
A normal sleep cycle is 8 hours. I include the time it takes me to
fall asleep, which is well within normal parameters, and the amount of
time it takes me to roll out of bed after my first initial awakening.
> My second observation is if you are sleeping
> from 11am until 8pm, your sleep is way out of whack from normal
> circadian rhythms. I reiterate my recommendation for more and better sleep.
I work the graveyard shift professor. I've been working it for 20
years now. Bing a night owl is my normal sleep pattern.
It's called Delayed sleep phase syndrome (DSPS) professor. If it was
9am right now you might have something there, but it's not and you
don't.
> Do you work shiftwork that requires you sleep during the day?
I'll let you figure out that one professor.
> > And your condescending crap is what I call inappropriate.
>
> The condescension is entirely inside your head. Do you project your own
> condescension onto what I write?
Face it dude, you’re full of yourself.
Bob Badour
I'll take that as a definite "Yes" on the projection hypothesis.
Zed
Of course you will. There's a difference in someone like you posing as
a highbrow intellectual, and someone like me telling him to stuff it.
Bob Badour
In other words, you see yourself as an everyman David standing up to a
Goliath of pretension. That's quite an image you have of yourself.
Zed
I see you as a garden variety pseudo-intellectual, without having to
include myself or anyone else into the equation.
Buh bye.
Zed
empathetic posters are gone. And this ng in essence has dried up.
Pity. A person used to be able to find actual support here. Actual
understanding.
Catriona R
Could I ask what support or understanding you have offered anybody
here? I've never noticed you before recent posts, but your recent
record consists of misunderstanding an autistic poster, attacking them
for it, and then attacking and abusing anybody else who attempts to
clear up the misunderstanding. Where's the support or understanding in
that behaviour exactly?
Dolphinius
Which ones were you thinking of?
Dolphinius
(Male, mid-thirties, UK, self-diagnosed AS)
Bob Badour
> On 21 Nov, 01:06, Zed <z...@cbgb.net> wrote:
>
>>Doing a Google search, it seems most of the actually knowledgeable
>>empathetic posters are gone. And this ng in essence has dried up.
>>Pity. A person used to be able to find actual support here. Actual
>>understanding.
>
> Which ones were you thinking of?
He mentioned Terry by name.
Zed
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:06:55 -0800 (PST), Zed <z...@cbgb.net> wrote:
> >Doing a Google search, it seems most of the actually knowledgeable
> >empathetic posters are gone. And this ng in essence has dried up.
> >Pity. A person used to be able to find actual support here. Actual
> >understanding.
>
> Could I ask what support or understanding you have offered anybody
> here?
Google me.
> I've never noticed you before recent posts, but your recent
> record consists of misunderstanding an autistic poster, attacking them
> for it, and then attacking and abusing anybody else who attempts to
> clear up the misunderstanding. Where's the support or understanding in
> that behaviour exactly?
Hard to soothe when you're in a current state of agony. But thanks for
putting me in my place. Keep in mind though you're in the back of a
very long line of people who despise me.
Zed
You for one. Larry for another. And defiantly Terry.
Zed
Consider it highly unlikely that I'll ever mention you by name along
these lines.
Bob Badour
Why do you assume everyone else is motivated by hatred? What do you
think that suggests about your motivation?
Zed
Uh because I'm, well, whatever you say I am.
> What do you
> think that suggests about your motivation?
Uh whatever you want it to suggest.
Again, congratulations. You win.
Arak
> I'm going to get a hold of as many books anyone has ever
> written about their childhood I can find, and burn them, as this is
> obviously highly inappropriate subject matter.
Why would books written about childhood be inappropriate? I think more
people need to know what it is like growing up on the autism spectrum
because so many people just don't understand and they make incorrect
assumptions.
I did a presentation for a group of 40 therapists last week about what
it was like for me growing up and why autistic kids might do some of
the things they do. Almost every one of them came up to me after the
presentation and said that they had not even thought about some of the
things I talked about and that had they know, they might have been
able to help make so many kids' lives easier.
None of them knew or even thought that anxiety or depression or pain
or discomfort or boredom or sensory issues might be the reason behind
behaviour. None of them knew the broad range of reasons behind the
"behaviour" at all. They often don't help because they just don't get
what it's like. (And how could they get it if they don't experience it
themselves?) The more they learn, the better equipped they are to
actually do something *useful*
Fortunately, they were willing to listen and to learn, and I think
others might be willing too.
Just my thoughts.
Arak /|\
Bob Badour
> On Nov 19, 8:35 pm, Zed <z...@cbgb.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to get a hold of as many books anyone has ever
>>written about their childhood I can find, and burn them, as this is
>>obviously highly inappropriate subject matter.
>
> Why would books written about childhood be inappropriate?
They are appropriate. Zed was simply posting hyperbole and melodrama.
Zed
> On Nov 19, 8:35 pm, Zed <z...@cbgb.net> wrote:
>
> > I'm going to get a hold of as many books anyone has ever
> > written about their childhood I can find, and burn them, as this is
> > obviously highly inappropriate subject matter.
>
> Why would books written about childhood be inappropriate? I think more
> people need to know what it is like growing up on the autism spectrum
> because so many people just don't understand and they make incorrect
> assumptions.
I agree completely. My statement was one of sarcasm, based on the
"school records" thread.
Zed
Yes, yes, Zed; so immature, so dramatic, so abusive. Someone has got
to straighten that poor boy out.
earthpots
Golly gee whiz...! Is this were I should step in an suggest that the two of
you "go get a room"????? :-P
--
Carol
Contessa of Consternation
Known to leave foes discombobulated
Autistic Spectrum Code v.1.0
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Email at clay_p...@nospam.com, removing the 'nospam' and replacing
with 'msn'.
earthpots
Or he was being facetious.
Bob Badour
> Bob Badour wrote:
>
>>Arak wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Nov 19, 8:35 pm, Zed <z...@cbgb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm going to get a hold of as many books anyone has ever
>>>>written about their childhood I can find, and burn them, as this is
>>>>obviously highly inappropriate subject matter.
>>>
>>>Why would books written about childhood be inappropriate?
>>
>>They are appropriate. Zed was simply posting hyperbole and melodrama.
>
> Or he was being facetious.
All three.
--
is there something in it for them, like maybe bailouts, if they can
panic us into doing something politically to cover them?
November 19, 2007 - John S Bolton
Zed
> Zed wrote:
> > On Nov 21, 2:07 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> Dolphinius wrote:
> >>> On 21 Nov, 01:06, Zed <z...@cbgb.net> wrote:
>
> >>>> Doing a Google search, it seems most of the actually knowledgeable
> >>>> empathetic posters are gone. And this ng in essence has dried up.
> >>>> Pity. A person used to be able to find actual support here. Actual
> >>>> understanding.
>
> >>> Which ones were you thinking of?
>
> >> He mentioned Terry by name.
>
> > Consider it highly unlikely that I'll ever mention you by name along
> > these lines.
>
> Golly gee whiz...! Is this were I should step in an suggest that the two of
> you "go get a room"????? :-P
Yep, it's one of those. Until I lose interest. Bob certainly never
will.
Zed
> Bob Badour wrote:
> > Arak wrote:
>
> >> On Nov 19, 8:35 pm, Zed <z...@cbgb.net> wrote:
>
> >>> I'm going to get a hold of as many books anyone has ever
> >>> written about their childhood I can find, and burn them, as this is
> >>> obviously highly inappropriate subject matter.
>
> >> Why would books written about childhood be inappropriate?
>
> > They are appropriate. Zed was simply posting hyperbole and melodrama.
>
> Or he was being facetious.
Oh no, it couldn't be anything as mundane as that.
earthpots
I think maybe it's time you each go to your respective corners for a
time-out. Major personality clash here, I don't see either of you shaking
hands anytime soon. There is no rule that says we have to like one another,
so feel free to dislike whomever you wish.
earthpots
Some autists are very good at noting when someone is being facetious,
sarcastic, etc, But one of the diagnostic criteria for classic autism is the
inability to discern when being facetious, sarcastic, etc. I got that you
were being facetious, but word play is something I haven't struggled with.
Many autists take what they read/hear literally. Arak may very well be one
of those people; so for her, and others like her, it was anything but
mundane as that. Terry, who you mention missing in this group, was very good
at word play. Obviously, like me, you also possess the ability to both
understand and use it. Just remember that a number of people with ASD's are
not capable, autism is a broad spectrum with many variants.
Bob Badour
> Zed wrote:
>
>>On Nov 22, 10:26 pm, "earthpots" <earthp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Zed wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Nov 21, 2:07 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Dolphinius wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 21 Nov, 01:06, Zed <z...@cbgb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>Doing a Google search, it seems most of the actually
>>>>>>>knowledgeable empathetic posters are gone. And this ng in
>>>>>>>essence has dried up. Pity. A person used to be able to find
>>>>>>>actual support here. Actual understanding.
>>>
>>>>>>Which ones were you thinking of?
>>>
>>>>>He mentioned Terry by name.
>>>
>>>>Consider it highly unlikely that I'll ever mention you by name along
>>>>these lines.
>>>
>>>Golly gee whiz...! Is this were I should step in an suggest that the
>>>two of you "go get a room"????? :-P
>>
>>Yep, it's one of those. Until I lose interest. Bob certainly never
>>will.
>
> There is no rule that says we have to like one another,
> so feel free to dislike whomever you wish.
Thanks, Carol. I will. I was unaware I needed your permission.
Bob Badour
> Zed wrote:
>
>>On Nov 22, 10:27 pm, "earthpots" <earthp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Bob Badour wrote:
>>>
>>>>Arak wrote:
>>>
>>>>>On Nov 19, 8:35 pm, Zed <z...@cbgb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>I'm going to get a hold of as many books anyone has ever
>>>>>>written about their childhood I can find, and burn them, as this
>>>>>>is obviously highly inappropriate subject matter.
>>>
>>>>>Why would books written about childhood be inappropriate?
>>>
>>>>They are appropriate. Zed was simply posting hyperbole and
>>>>melodrama.
>>>
>>>Or he was being facetious.
>>
>>Oh no, it couldn't be anything as mundane as that.
>
> Some autists are very good at noting when someone is being facetious,
> sarcastic, etc
But can you recognize hyperbole and melodrama?
Arak
> Many autists take what they read/hear literally. Arak may very well be one
> of those people; so for her, and others like her, it was anything but
> mundane as that. Terry, who you mention missing in this group, was very good
> at word play. Obviously, like me, you also possess the ability to both
> understand and use it. Just remember that a number of people with ASD's are
> not capable, autism is a broad spectrum with many variants.
>
For the record, in case anyone here thinks I am incapable of
recognizing sarcasm when I see it, I *did* catch the sarcasm, but
asked anyway because I wanted to ensure it was just sarcasm, and not
melodrama. I dish enough sarcasm out IRL and online that I can
understand it when I see it.
Anyway, I was just trying to say that a lot of people out there don't
understand autism, including our use of humour or sarcasm. I found
that out when doing my speech last week.
Arak /|\
earthpots
> earthpots wrote:
>
>> Zed wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 22, 10:26 pm, "earthpots" <earthp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Zed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 21, 2:07 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dolphinius wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 21 Nov, 01:06, Zed <z...@cbgb.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doing a Google search, it seems most of the actually
>>>>>>>> knowledgeable empathetic posters are gone. And this ng in
>>>>>>>> essence has dried up. Pity. A person used to be able to find
>>>>>>>> actual support here. Actual understanding.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Which ones were you thinking of?
>>>>
>>>>>> He mentioned Terry by name.
>>>>
>>>>> Consider it highly unlikely that I'll ever mention you by name
>>>>> along these lines.
>>>>
>>>> Golly gee whiz...! Is this were I should step in an suggest that
>>>> the two of you "go get a room"????? :-P
>>>
>>> Yep, it's one of those. Until I lose interest. Bob certainly never
>>> will.
>>
>> There is no rule that says we have to like one another,
>> so feel free to dislike whomever you wish.
>
> Thanks, Carol. I will. I was unaware I needed your permission.
Well, my response was to Zed, as a gentle reminder; don't know how needing
anyones permission came into play. I think the fact I stated that "There is
no rule" made it clear that you don't need anyones permission ("Feel free")
to either like or dislike someone. Geesh! The two of you clearly dislike one
another, and that's perefectly okay.
earthpots
> earthpots wrote:
>
>> Zed wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 22, 10:27 pm, "earthpots" <earthp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob Badour wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Arak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 19, 8:35 pm, Zed <z...@cbgb.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm going to get a hold of as many books anyone has ever
>>>>>>> written about their childhood I can find, and burn them, as this
>>>>>>> is obviously highly inappropriate subject matter.
>>>>
>>>>>> Why would books written about childhood be inappropriate?
>>>>
>>>>> They are appropriate. Zed was simply posting hyperbole and
>>>>> melodrama.
>>>>
>>>> Or he was being facetious.
>>>
>>> Oh no, it couldn't be anything as mundane as that.
>>
>> Some autists are very good at noting when someone is being facetious,
>> sarcastic, etc
>
> But can you recognize hyperbole and melodrama?
I'm sure they were at play, and being overdramatic as well as facetious was
intentional. Who among us doesn't at times sink into hyperbole and
melodrama, when our emotions get the best of us? And it's not uncommon for
those egaging in melodrama, to fail to see that they are doing just that. I
think he was intending to be facetious, but engaged in hyperbole and
melodrama in the process. You may interpret differently. Doesn't make either
of us right or wrong, just differing in opinions. Can we just leave it at
that?
Bob Badour
I don't particularly dislike Zed. When I observe he is an asshole, I do
so entirely without rancor. But at the same time, he has left little
doubt that he is deeply disturbed or has some perverse need to mimic
disturbance. I feel sorry for the people unlucky enough to have to deal
with him in real life.
BTW, my statement about permission was facetious. It was also borderline
ironic and could easily be interpreted as mildly reproachful, which
might make it sarcastic in some books. It was not hyperbole or
melodrama, though.
Ace*
> > Well, my response was to Zed, as a gentle reminder; don't know how needing
> > anyones permission came into play. I think the fact I stated that "There is
> > no rule" made it clear that you don't need anyones permission ("Feel free")
> > to either like or dislike someone. Geesh! The two of you clearly dislike one
> > another, and that's perefectly okay.
>
> I don't particularly dislike Zed. When I observe he is an asshole, I do
> so entirely without rancor. But at the same time, he has left little
> doubt that he is deeply disturbed or has some perverse need to mimic
> disturbance. I feel sorry for the people unlucky enough to have to deal
> with him in real life.
>
> BTW, my statement about permission was facetious. It was also borderline
> ironic and could easily be interpreted as mildly reproachful, which
> might make it sarcastic in some books. It was not hyperbole or
> melodrama, though.
Of couse you have me "killfiltered" by you just can't stop talikg
about me can you?
The fact is Bob, we're both assholes. I'm just better at in than you
are.
A*
Bob Badour
> Bob Badour wrote:
>
>>earthpots wrote:
>>
>>>Zed wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Nov 22, 10:27 pm, "earthpots" <earthp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Bob Badour wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Arak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Nov 19, 8:35 pm, Zed <z...@cbgb.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm going to get a hold of as many books anyone has ever
>>>>>>>>written about their childhood I can find, and burn them, as this
>>>>>>>>is obviously highly inappropriate subject matter.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why would books written about childhood be inappropriate?
>>>>>
>>>>>>They are appropriate. Zed was simply posting hyperbole and
>>>>>>melodrama.
>>>>>
>>>>>Or he was being facetious.
>>>>
>>>>Oh no, it couldn't be anything as mundane as that.
>>>
>>>Some autists are very good at noting when someone is being facetious,
>>>sarcastic, etc
>>
>>But can you recognize hyperbole and melodrama?
>
> I'm sure they were at play, and being overdramatic as well as facetious was
> intentional.
So, your later observation does not contradict my original observation
at all, then, and merely adds another dimension to the mix. As long as
we have that cleared up.
earthpots
> On Nov 23, 9:23 pm, "earthpots" <earthp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Many autists take what they read/hear literally. Arak may very well
>> be one of those people; so for her, and others like her, it was
>> anything but mundane as that. Terry, who you mention missing in this
>> group, was very good at word play. Obviously, like me, you also
>> possess the ability to both understand and use it. Just remember
>> that a number of people with ASD's are not capable, autism is a
>> broad spectrum with many variants.
>>
>
> For the record, in case anyone here thinks I am incapable of
> recognizing sarcasm when I see it, I *did* catch the sarcasm, but
> asked anyway because I wanted to ensure it was just sarcasm, and not
> melodrama. I dish enough sarcasm out IRL and online that I can
> understand it when I see it.
>
Thats why I was careful to say that you "may very well be"; I didn't want
to say with certainty, as I didn't know.
Anywhoo, I think it was sarcasm, but perhaps with some melodrama thrown in
for good measure. I can think of a number of times where I was having "off"
days, and would discard stuff even before sending (because I typically
review USENET posts beforehand), or in the case of web-based forums with
editing features, going back and making changes, because I saw with
hindsight that I was being overdramatic. The melodrama on Zed's part, may
have been intentional or not. Only he actually knows. Thank you for
clarifying your reason for asking, but I did want Zed to consider that ASD's
are as different as people.
> Anyway, I was just trying to say that a lot of people out there don't
> understand autism, including our use of humour or sarcasm. I found
> that out when doing my speech last week.
>
> Arak /|\
Understood completely, and I agree. The diagnostic criteria is not always
correct, but that is the false perception out there regarding ASD's. Many
with ASD's are not only quite capable of understanding various forms of word
play, but are quite gifted with using it. Some of my favorite threads in ASA
are the ones end up in a back-and-forth word play. And I note quite a number
of regulars participating and contributing to those, which would frequently
become long and winding, with numerous humerous twists-and-turns. <sigh!> We
need more of those. Terry was always good at starting stuff like that. It's
no wonder he is missed by so many. We've been overcome by the anti-vac
alarmists and naturopaths, which I've killfiled. :-/
Arak
>
> Understood completely, and I agree. The diagnostic criteria is not always
> correct, but that is the false perception out there regarding ASD's.
The false notions are very irritating and I am tired of people basing
their diagnostic criteria based only on what they *see*. I believe
that they really need to start looking at the big picture, including
what folks on the autism spectrum *can* do. "Theory of mind" works
both ways and these professionals seem to painfully deficient in that
area from my personal experience...
If approached the right way, many of them are eager to learn what it's
like from our perspective. That is some good news.
> <sigh!> We
> need more of those. Terry was always good at starting stuff like that.
What happened to Terry? I haven't seen him online for a long time.
He's always had a talent for wording things.
> We've been overcome by the anti-vac
> alarmists and naturopaths, which I've killfiled. :-/
I can't believe how many of them are on here now. This used to be a
support group for those on the spectrum and now it seems to be a forum
for the latest BS theories of the day. I'll be glad when approaches to
the autism spectrum finally emerge from the "snake oil" stage and
people start getting a grip on what ASD is all about.
Man, am I cranky today! Must be the fact that I have a term paper due
next week and a final exam for a psych course on Saturday. Ack! Sorry
about that. :^)
Arak /|\
earthpots
> On Nov 24, 7:49 pm, "earthpots" <earthp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Understood completely, and I agree. The diagnostic criteria is not
>> always correct, but that is the false perception out there regarding
>> ASD's.
>
> The false notions are very irritating and I am tired of people basing
> their diagnostic criteria based only on what they *see*. I believe
> that they really need to start looking at the big picture, including
> what folks on the autism spectrum *can* do. "Theory of mind" works
> both ways and these professionals seem to painfully deficient in that
> area from my personal experience...
>
They also base it on Autism Speaks and Jenny McCarthy and all the hype they
display in the media. I'd love to plug JM's piehole as she talks about
"revovery" from the horrors of Autism.
> If approached the right way, many of them are eager to learn what it's
> like from our perspective. That is some good news.
>
>> <sigh!> We
>> need more of those. Terry was always good at starting stuff like
>> that.
>
> What happened to Terry? I haven't seen him online for a long time.
> He's always had a talent for wording things.
>
Another person I haven't seen in a while is Chris, she used to maintain the
groups active membership list.
>
>> We've been overcome by the anti-vac
>> alarmists and naturopaths, which I've killfiled. :-/
>
> I can't believe how many of them are on here now. This used to be a
> support group for those on the spectrum and now it seems to be a forum
> for the latest BS theories of the day. I'll be glad when approaches to
> the autism spectrum finally emerge from the "snake oil" stage and
> people start getting a grip on what ASD is all about.
>
> Man, am I cranky today! Must be the fact that I have a term paper due
> next week and a final exam for a psych course on Saturday. Ack! Sorry
> about that. :^)
>
> Arak /|\
I didn't find you cranky at all, just righteously idignant for a very good
reason. I did the unthinkable, I got an H1N1 vaccine 2 weeks ago, it
(((shivers))) contains mercury (((shivers))). I'm in the high-risk group,
I'd rather chance the vaccine than the disease, the anti-vac folks know
where they can shove their opionions.
earthpots
Or at least act like it on USENET.
I'm just better at in than you
> are.
>
> A*
--
Zed
Yes. Sarcasm.