School records
Zed
K1: Dramatic, immature. needs to learn to listen.
K2: Still very immature. Needs self confidence. Absent a great deal.
B1: Academic level is extremely low. Needs to work on eliminating
aggressive behavior.
A1: Below average academically. Has improved somewhat in controlling
temper. Must not be pushed. Needs constant reinforcement.
2/25: Still applies as above. Responds to quiet talk and sympathy when
he explodes....
Gareeth
> 1968/69 so far. hard to read their writing.
>
lacked social and play skills. Not much has changed. Doesn't matter though.
Gareeth
Eva
"Zed" <z...@cbgb.net> wrote in message
news:66feef04-cb6a-4923...@m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
I'm convinced that the autism rate isn't really higher today, just that it
("HFA") wasn't recognized prior to 1980. I guess you have a feeling of
irony when you look back like that. "If only...."
Eva
Zed
It's more than just autism for me. Severe learning disabilities as
well. I mean like borderline retarded is some areas. But I seem really
smart because if how I speak/write. But put me to a test like with my
new assignment, and I can't manage it. Everyone else gets it, except
me. It'll take me much longer to learn it. Once again fate has bought
me some time, maybe...
Gareeth
> "
> I'm convinced that the autism rate isn't really higher today, just
> that it ("HFA") wasn't recognized prior to 1980. I guess you have a
> feeling of irony when you look back like that. "If only...."
>
Gareeth
Stephen Wilson
"Gareeth" <Garee...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4H6Nm.54127$PH1.29790@edtnps82...
I tend not to look back. I concentrate on now, and look to the future.
Zed
For the same reason why you and I are in this support group. If none
if it mattered to you and Stephen Wilson, neither of you would be
here, now would you? I think you both sound like sanctimonious
hypocrites. Me, I still need to get a handle on things. I hope to
someday reach yours and Stephen's exalted states. Sorry to have
bothered you.
Bob Badour
With all due respect, Zed, your reaction to Gareeth's post seems
inappropriate. I strongly suspect Gareeth was saying that her
kindergarten report card matters little to her--not that you don't matter.
Plenty of people come here for plenty of reasons. I suspect many come
here for a sense of community. That's why I come. I don't see how
looking up school records from 40 years ago gives one a sense of
community, though.
Regardless why you come here, what prompted you to go rummaging through
old records? Did you stumble across them while doing something else? Or
did you go looking for them? I ask only because I am interested and
because I am nosey.
Bob Badour
I am glad I was not diagnosed as a toddler. That was back in the
barbaric "refrigerator mother" days, and I would not wish that on my
mother or anyone else for that matter.
Eva
You were in Europe? Canada? As for me, here in New York City, I never even
heard the word autism until, I think, the 1970s, and even then only
referring to really severely involved people who could not interact with
others in any way.
I think anyone who's been correctly diagnosed and treated is fortunate.
Eva
Gareeth
>
> For the same reason why you and I are in this support group. If none
> if it mattered to you and Stephen Wilson, neither of you would be
> here, now would you? I think you both sound like sanctimonious
> hypocrites. Me, I still need to get a handle on things. I hope to
> someday reach yours and Stephen's exalted states. Sorry to have
> bothered you.
Sanctimonious hypocrites for asking what had you going back that far? That's
a bit of an over-reaction.
Gareeth
Gareeth
>> It was sometimes recognizzed. Mine was.
> ---------------
> You were in Europe? Canada? As for me, here in New York City, I
> never even heard the word autism until, I think, the 1970s, and even
> then only referring to really severely involved people who could not
> interact with others in any way.
>
Not sure which side of the pond my initial diagnosis took place. The school
here in Canada had some handle on what sorts of things to suggest by tried
with me though. They did a lot of things wrong though but they must have had
some clue. A lot of what they had me doing is identical to the sorts of
things that I found out they had Temple Grandin doing. Common sense stuff
for the most part.
I don't know about fortunate. It didn't change anything really at all for
me. At the time they basically considered you to have outgrown it when you
became verbal and they strongly discouraged any ongoing notion that you were
autistic. This would evidentally make you lower functioning. I grew up
feeling I had to be something other than what I was all the time. Always
trying to get "better" hating who I was. I was in my thirties before I came
to some acceptance.
Gareeth
Zed
> With all due respect, Zed, your reaction to Gareeth's post seems
> inappropriate. I strongly suspect Gareeth was saying that her
> kindergarten report card matters little to her--not that you don't matter.
Oh gee, my reaction is inappropriate - like I haven't heard that
before. It not my bloody Kindergarten report. It's the beginning of my
entire report: kindergarten, 1st grade, 2nd grade, 3rd grade, 4th
grade, 5th grade, 6th grade, 7th grade, 8th grade, 9th grade, 10th
grade, 11th grade. By 11th grade I was 18 with zero credits, so I
dropped out. I'm glad the wonderauties can shrug it off - I guess all
I have to do is be like them.
> Plenty of people come here for plenty of reasons. I suspect many come
> here for a sense of community. That's why I come. I don't see how
> looking up school records from 40 years ago gives one a sense of
> community, though.
I don't see how a lot of sanctimonious crap, is going to make me feel
like family.
Tell you what, why don't you all tell me what I'm supposed to post so
I can do better to fit in.
Rest of pompous lecture snipped.
Zed
I ordered my school records. I found them interesting. Autism begins
with childhood, right?
Well I guess not. You sound more like one of my non understanding
teaches, then someone who could relate.
Thanks for the support.
Zed
Oh and look, now this thread is all about wonderful you.
Gareeth
>
> I ordered my school records. I found them interesting. Autism begins
> with childhood, right?
> Well I guess not. You sound more like one of my non understanding
> teaches, then someone who could relate.
> Thanks for the support.
I aksed what had you trolling though them. How you got from a simple
question to my being a sanctimonious hyporcrite I don't know but don't worry
it's the last interest I will show in your posts.
Gareeth
Gareeth
> Oh and look, now this thread is all about wonderful you.
I answered a question I was asked. You could have done the same.
Gareeth
Bob Badour
> On Nov 19, 6:12 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>With all due respect, Zed, your reaction to Gareeth's post seems
>>inappropriate. I strongly suspect Gareeth was saying that her
>>kindergarten report card matters little to her--not that you don't matter.
>
> Oh gee, my reaction is inappropriate - like I haven't heard that
> before. It not my bloody Kindergarten report.
But it was Gareeth's kindergarten report that she spoke about.
>>Plenty of people come here for plenty of reasons. I suspect many come
>>here for a sense of community. That's why I come. I don't see how
>>looking up school records from 40 years ago gives one a sense of
>>community, though.
>
> I don't see how a lot of sanctimonious crap, is going to make me feel
> like family.
Sanctimonious? You seem to have some serious perceptual problems. Has
some major upset clouded your judgment?
> Tell you what, why don't you all tell me what I'm supposed to post so
> I can do better to fit in.
With all due respect, we are not here for that. Your initial
overreaction seemed to indicate you desired to tell Stephen Wilson and
Gareeth what they are supposed to post, though. If you want to
overreact, overreact. The worst that will happen is people will filter you.
For myself, I long ago realised that plain text conveys little to no
tone. As a result, I have adopted the practice of reading everything
anyone writes in the most positive and friendly tone imaginable. In the
exceedingly rare case when the most positive and friendly tone is not
intended, it matters little.
As a result, one has to go out of their way and "way over the top" as
you did before I recognize any sort of negative tone.
> Rest of pompous lecture snipped.
I don't see how one can lecture by asking questions like the ones you
snipped. ::shrug:: If the reason you dug up old school records might
embarrass you, it is quite acceptible to tell me it's none of my
business. You don't have to paint my question for something it's not.
Zed
Well G, seems everyone is telling me I should know better than take a
look at my life, and just dismiss it all, and get on with life like
y'all.
And you're so right. It's all so easy. Look out future here I come.
Who knew it could be so simple. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Zed
Yes, yes, and now back to how wonderfully you deal with life.
Bob Badour
> On Nov 19, 7:30 pm, "Gareeth" <Gareethn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Zed wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I ordered my school records. I found them interesting. Autism begins
>>>with childhood, right?
>>>Well I guess not. You sound more like one of my non understanding
>>>teaches, then someone who could relate.
>>>Thanks for the support.
>>
>>I aksed what had you trolling though them. How you got from a simple
>>question to my being a sanctimonious hyporcrite I don't know but don't worry
>>it's the last interest I will show in your posts.
>>
>>Gareeth
>
> Well G, seems everyone is telling me I should know better than take a
> look at my life, and just dismiss it all, and get on with life like
> y'all.
Nobody told you that (except possibly a troll I have filtered but
certainly not Gareeth), which is why your reaction was unwarranted.
I am inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume some
emotional agitation interferes with your perception right now. You might
simply be psychotic, but as I said: I am inclined to give you the
benefit of the doubt.
Zed
> But it was Gareeth's kindergarten report that she spoke about.
Yes, yes, this thread is all about her. I get it.
> Sanctimonious? You seem to have some serious perceptual problems. Has
> some major upset clouded your judgment?
Just the usual of people telling me off. Got fired from job one, boss
of job two has told me in the four days I've been there "we need to
pay attention" and "you seem to have a chip on your shoulder"
Maybe the rest of you are too doped up or something to be having
theses problems,.
Or able to relate to someone who does. I kinda thought this would be a
crowd where I could let it all hang out.
>
> > Tell you what, why don't you all tell me what I'm supposed to post so
> > I can do better to fit in.
>
> With all due respect,
god, if you write that one more time I'm going to puke.
> we are not here for that. Your initial
> overreaction
Over reaction! OMG! Read the report again.
Blah, blah, blah. You know like the teacher talking sound effect on
Charle Brown episodes.
Gareeth
>
> Well G, seems everyone is telling me I should know better than take a
> look at my life, and just dismiss it all, and get on with life like
> y'all.
You jumped to the conclusion that that was what I meant. I simply asked a
question. Sounds like you are just reading what you want into what is said.
Gareeth
Gareeth
>
> Yes, yes, and now back to how wonderfully you deal with life.
Where did I ever claim to deal with life wonderfully? I realize you are
having a bad week but being abusive towards me for no particular reason
isn't going to help much.
Gareeth
Bob Badour
> On Nov 19, 7:42 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>But it was Gareeth's kindergarten report that she spoke about.
>
> Yes, yes, this thread is all about her. I get it.
No, clearly you don't get it. Parts of this thread are about you. Parts
of this thread are about other people. In part of this thread, someone
showed an interest in you and shared a bit of her similar past.
>>Sanctimonious? You seem to have some serious perceptual problems. Has
>>some major upset clouded your judgment?
>
> Just the usual of people telling me off. Got fired from job one, boss
> of job two has told me in the four days I've been there "we need to
> pay attention" and "you seem to have a chip on your shoulder"
> Maybe the rest of you are too doped up or something to be having
> theses problems,.
Ah yes, all that would be very upsetting and scary. Lashing out at
Gareeth won't make your job situation any more secure, though.
> Or able to relate to someone who does. I kinda thought this would be a
> crowd where I could let it all hang out.
Letting it all hang out is one thing. Verbal or emotional abuse is quite
another. Lashing out like you have been doing is abusive. If you expect
the rest of us to pretend it isn't, you will set yourself up for
disappointment.
>>>Tell you what, why don't you all tell me what I'm supposed to post so
>>>I can do better to fit in.
>>
>>With all due respect,
>
> god, if you write that one more time I'm going to puke.
In that case, I suggest you keep a bucket handy.
>>we are not here for that. Your initial
>>overreaction
>
> Over reaction! OMG! Read the report again.
Report? A report about infantile behavior from 40 years ago has
absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your reaction to Gareeth today.
Zed
No I came to the conclusion after Stephen Wilson compounded it.
> What has you trolling through ancient history?
> I tend not to look back. I concentrate on now, and look to the future.
Sounds like admonishing to me. All I've gotten - from several, not
just you - is how I shouldn't be doing this that and the other.
I was just interested in what someone might think of the traits.
Obviously I need to look elsewhere.
I remember there was a poster named Terry Jones who was good for that,
along with a few others.
Maybe they got chased off or gave up.
I mean heaven forbid someone write something that might make me feel
better.
Bob Badour
Stop acting like an errant child. You will feel better.
Get more and better sleep. You will feel better.
Zed
Hope y'all didn't spend too much time continuing to tell me how wrong
I am about everything, 'cause I ain't reading any of it.
Maybe it's time to eat a bullet.
Zed
> Stop acting like an errant child. You will feel better.
Stop acting like a pompoms prick, you'll start to sound human. Pius,
sanctimonious, supercilious, condescending.
> Get more and better sleep. You will feel better.
Piss off.
Bob Badour
1-800-273-TALK (8255)
Zed
Shove it up your ass (remove stick first).
Bob Badour
Make up your mind. Do you want something that might make you feel
better? Or not?
Zed
I want to keep telling what a condescending prick you sound like.
Believe me all the sleep in the world won't change that.
Although I must say this has been cathartic.
Bob Badour
> On Nov 19, 8:16 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>Zed wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 19, 8:07 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>Stop acting like an errant child. You will feel better.
>>
>>>Stop acting like a pompoms prick, you'll start to sound human. Pius,
>>>sanctimonious, supercilious, condescending.
>>
>>>>Get more and better sleep. You will feel better.
>>
>>>Piss off.
>>
>>Make up your mind. Do you want something that might make you feel
>>better? Or not?
>
> I want to keep telling what a condescending prick you sound like.
No less abusive, but at least you won't be picking on a girl any more.
Dish it out; it won't faze me a bit.
> Believe me all the sleep in the world won't change that.
Try it first. The result might surprise you.
> Although I must say this has been cathartic.
Live to serve.
Zed
Yeah, to serve a ton of sanctimonious clueless crap.
Zed
You're right. It was more the others, namely professor Bob, who jumped
on your wagon so to speak.
However, the "What has you trolling through ancient history? My
kindergarten report said I
lacked social and play skills. Not much has changed. Doesn't matter
though."
Still sounds like you saying you got over it and so should I. And that
bit I posted, is just the beginning of 12 years of transcript. It all
pretty much reads the same. I was wondering whether it sounded typical
of an autistic child who's trying to function in the mainstream. Try
to think of my reaction as more of one of annoyance rather than abuse.
It's not a bad week, it's a lifetime of bad weeks. I'm sorry you had a
bad time in kindergarten, and I'm glad you got over it. My situation
however, is considerably more extensive. I guess I got the apparently
misguided idea that to understand the present better, it might help to
go back to the beginning. I know I shouldn't let the Bob Badours here
color my perception of everyone.
Stephen Wilson
"Zed" <z...@cbgb.net> wrote in message
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Good grief! You posted a comment about your school records. Why did you do
that if you didn't want anyone to respond? All I said was that I don't like
raking up the past. Why did you take that as criticism?
You said earlier you were told you have a chip on your shoulder. Have you
ever stopped to wonder why?
From the way you've over-reacted here, all I'm picking up is an extremely
bad attitude. You take what is said the wrong way and then throw a little
tantrum.
Zed
<stephen.wilson2004nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Zed" <z...@cbgb.net> wrote in message
>
> news:422984d0-0aea-48f6...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Goodbye all. Sorry I stopped by.
> > Hope y'all didn't spend too much time continuing to tell me how wrong
> > I am about everything, 'cause I ain't reading any of it.
> > Maybe it's time to eat a bullet.
>
> Good grief! You posted a comment about your school records. Why did you do
> that if you didn't want anyone to respond? All I said was that I don't like
> raking up the past. Why did you take that as criticism?
I can't explain it anymore than I already have.
> You said earlier you were told you have a chip on your shoulder. Have you
> ever stopped to wonder why?
There's no need to wonder. I have behavioral disorders. Guess I must
be the only one here. I’m glad for the rest of you that you’re so high
above it.
It’s sad. No one, usually, passes judgment on people with disabilities
for exhibiting the traits of their disability, unless that is, the
disability is autism/PDDNOS.
> From the way you've over-reacted here, all I'm picking up is an extremely
> bad attitude. You take what is said the wrong way and then throw a little
> tantrum.
That's exactly correct, I threw a tantrum. I know how atypical that is
for someone with autism/PDDNOS, NOT. There used to be a more
knowledgeable empathetic group here. Now all there seems to be are
critics with no personal familiar experience. Probably all NT’s who
decided to jump on the AS bandwagon.
Zed
> You seem to have some serious perceptual problems.
Good job. You actually got one right. Yes, clinically diagnosed
perceptual problems. I’m I supposed to apologize for that?
Bob Badour
I don't recall requesting anything from you. Least of all an apology.
Eva
"Bob Badour" <bba...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4b05fc02$0$5332$9a56...@news.aliant.net...
> Gareeth wrote:
>
>> Eva wrote:
>>
>>>"
>>>I'm convinced that the autism rate isn't really higher today, just
>>>that it ("HFA") wasn't recognized prior to 1980. I guess you have a
>>>feeling of irony when you look back like that. "If only...."
>>
>> It was sometimes recognizzed. Mine was.
>>
>> Gareeth
>
> I am glad I was not diagnosed as a toddler. That was back in the barbaric
> "refrigerator mother" days, and I would not wish that on my mother or
> anyone else for that matter.
--------------
But I believe that only really severe autism was recognized Back Then. I
was saying that if I was a child *nowadays* I would have been spared all the
awful, useless treatment for mental illnesses I didn't really have and all
the punishments for things I either wasn't really doing ("Wipe that smirk
off your face!" "BUT I'M NOT SMIRKING! I SWEAR I'M NOT SMIRKING!" etc.),
couldn't control, or just plain didn't understand.
Eva
Zed
Look up the word rhetorical, professor.
Gareeth
> But I believe that only really severe autism was recognized Back
> Then.
You didn't have to be really severe for it to be recognized. I had a lot of
somewhat classical behaviours but it was clear to people that I was
intelligent. Well clear to my family. School authorities initially thought I
was retarded. Still I wouldn't say I was "really severe" just fairly
classical in some ways.
Gareeth
Bob Badour
So you are more interested in writing abusive rhetoric than support. Nice!
Zed
It's obvious that you have nothing whatsoever to offer along the lines
of genuine support, so in your case, youbetcha.
Bob Badour
I am certainly not supportive of abuse. If you want someone to support
abuse, I suggest you give your moral compass a tap to get it unstuck.
Catriona R
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:56:25 -0800 (PST), Zed <z...@cbgb.net> wrote:
>There's no need to wonder. I have behavioral disorders. Guess I must
>be the only one here. I�m glad for the rest of you that you�re so high
>above it.
>It�s sad. No one, usually, passes judgment on people with disabilities
>for exhibiting the traits of their disability, unless that is, the
>disability is autism/PDDNOS.
Perhaps in that case, you should not be so fast to pass judgement on
others here? It's entirely possible that, since Gareeth is autistic,
she phrased her initial post in a way which did not make her meaning
100% clear, and as a result you've misunderstood that. Why are you so
fast to jump on that and attack her for it? And then to attack anybody
else who tries to say that there appears to be a misunderstanding
here? You can't reasonably shout and scream about people not making
allowances for your autism when you don't make allowances for other
people's autism.
It seems to me that Gareeth's post reminded you of similar comments
you've had from other people, and so hit a sore spot that set you off
- the same has happened with me many times so I understand. But you
need to realise that with autistic people, if they say their
intentions were good, it's better to believe them - by continuing to
attack you show yourself as no better than whatever people you've
encountered in the past that make no allowances for autism. You are
refusing to acknowledge the autism of the other posters here.
>That's exactly correct, I threw a tantrum. I know how atypical that is
>for someone with autism/PDDNOS, NOT. There used to be a more
>knowledgeable empathetic group here. Now all there seems to be are
>critics with no personal familiar experience. Probably all NT�s who
>decided to jump on the AS bandwagon.
Or perhaps autistics who dislike being attacked and abused merely for
being autistic. You are not the only autistic in the world, others
might occasionally misphrase things or be misunderstood as well. If
you dislike being repeatedly understood, well so perhaps might others.
Think about it.
Catriona R
> If
>you dislike being repeatedly *mis*understood, well so perhaps might others.
Typo, sigh :-P
Stephen Wilson
>
>> From the way you've over-reacted here, all I'm picking up is an extremely
>> bad attitude. You take what is said the wrong way and then throw a little
>> tantrum.
>
>That's exactly correct, I threw a tantrum. I know how atypical that is
>for someone with autism/PDDNOS, NOT. There used to be a more
>knowledgeable empathetic group here. Now all there seems to be are
>critics with no personal familiar experience. Probably all NT�s who
>decided to jump on the AS bandwagon.
Sorry, but empathy is not something I'm particularly good at. If I was, I
probably wouldn't be here in the first place...
Zed
Of course. Poor choice of words. But of course I can relate to what
you're saying much more acutely knowing of my own lack of empathy,
which is what I was getting at.
Cats know exactly how we feel. They don't give a damn. But they know.
Zed
> I am certainly not supportive of abuse.
No, but you have no problem doling it out passive aggressively.
> If you want someone to support
> abuse, I suggest you give your moral compass a tap to get it unstuck
Now you're the one who's projecting.
Interesting watching stalk me, attempting to zing me at every turn,
and then tout it as righteous indignation.
You want to make me hurt for the abuse you feel I've inflicted on
other, don't you? i don't really think you care about the others. I
think you're just looking for an excuse to methodically zap someone
and score brownie points in the process.
Zed
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:56:25 -0800 (PST), Zed <z...@cbgb.net> wrote:
> >There's no need to wonder. I have behavioral disorders. Guess I must
> >be the only one here. I’m glad for the rest of you that you’re so high
> >above it.
> >It’s sad. No one, usually, passes judgment on people with disabilities
> >for exhibiting the traits of their disability, unless that is, the
> >disability is autism/PDDNOS.
>
> Perhaps in that case, you should not be so fast to pass judgement on
> others here?
Perhaps I was otherwise occupied having a meltdown. If you know
anything about autism, chiding me for that, is like chiding an
epileptic for having a seizure. Don't end up becoming ugly in your
drive to make me feel ugly. Know what I mean?
Zed
Why don't you shut the fuck up you retarded cunt? If I wanted your
scrambled brain opinion I'd ask for it. Why don't you do the world a
favor an off yourself considering you should have been aborted in the
first place.
Zed
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:39:52 +0000, Catriona R
>
> > If
> >you dislike being repeatedly *mis*understood, well so perhaps might others.
>
> Typo, sigh :-P
That's okay, I didn't get that far.
Bob Badour
> On Nov 21, 10:46 am, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>I am certainly not supportive of abuse.
>
> No, but you have no problem doling it out passive aggressively.
My aggression is never passive. When I want to get a point across
aggressively, I will be very active (and probably very profane) about it.
>>If you want someone to support
>>abuse, I suggest you give your moral compass a tap to get it unstuck
>
> Now you're the one who's projecting.
That's always a possibility, and I test the projection hypothesis
against my own behaviour very frequently. But in this case, I think the
chances of it are slim to none. I have been careful to stick to factual
observations and have avoided drawing any conclusions about intent.
> Interesting watching stalk me, attempting to zing me at every turn,
> and then tout it as righteous indignation.
Indignation? That's interesting. What did I write that you perceived as
indignant? Or righteous? I suggest you stop and test the projection
hypothesis against everything you have written in this thread about
other people's motives and intent.
> You want to make me hurt for the abuse you feel I've inflicted on
> other, don't you?
No, not at all. I want to help you perceive things accurately. Tantrum
for as long as you need to. Eventually, you will tire of it.
> i don't really think you care about the others.
You are welcome to think that if you want. That won't change how much I
care about the people here--including you.
> I
> think you're just looking for an excuse to methodically zap someone
> and score brownie points in the process.
Again, I suggest you consider the projection hypothesis. I find it very
revealing when people attack another's motives or intent. It is almost a
truism that people project their own motives and intent when doing so.
Bob Badour
Autism is not a license to excuse inexcusable behaviour. People have a
right not to be subjected to your abuse.
If you have to go off and have a meltdown, then go off and have a
meltdown. Try not to burden anyone else with it. On those occasions when
you happen to burden someone in spite of your best efforts, afterward,
have the decency to acknowledge the other person's discomfort, and
apologize.
Acting adult is not difficult--let alone impossible--even for an
autistic prone to meltdowns.
Zed
> Zed wrote:
> > On Nov 21, 10:46 am, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >>I am certainly not supportive of abuse.
>
> > No, but you have no problem doling it out passive aggressively.
>
> My aggression is never passive. When I want to get a point across
Oh Bobby, Bobby, I'm not wasting time reading a single word of that.
Zed
> Autism is not a license to excuse inexcusable behaviour.
Not wasting time on that one either. You're out for blood, plain and
simple. You're using my behavior as an excuse to piss all over me.
That's all you're after. You've taken over the role as the abuser.
Bob Badour
> On Nov 21, 10:34 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>Zed wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 21, 10:46 am, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>I am certainly not supportive of abuse.
>>
>>>No, but you have no problem doling it out passive aggressively.
>>
>>My aggression is never passive. When I want to get a point across
>
> Oh Bobby, Bobby, I'm not wasting time reading a single word of that.
Too late. You not only wasted time reading, but writing a reply too.
Zed
Oh you got me good, professor. I am defeted. Congratulations.
Bob Badour
What, exactly, about my sentence above abuses you?
Zed
Bob, you won. I'm throwing in the towel. Again, congratulations.
Bob Badour
> On Nov 21, 11:28 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>Zed wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 21, 10:34 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>Zed wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Nov 21, 10:46 am, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>I am certainly not supportive of abuse.
>>
>>>>>No, but you have no problem doling it out passive aggressively.
>>
>>>>My aggression is never passive. When I want to get a point across
>>
>>>Oh Bobby, Bobby, I'm not wasting time reading a single word of that.
>>
>>Too late. You not only wasted time reading, but writing a reply too.
>
> Oh you got me good, professor. I am defeted. Congratulations.
There you go wasting even more time reading and writing. Your pretense
of indifference is just that: a pretense.
Bob Badour
> On Nov 21, 11:32 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>Zed wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 21, 10:44 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>Autism is not a license to excuse inexcusable behaviour.
>>
>>>Not wasting time on that one either. You're out for blood, plain and
>>>simple. You're using my behavior as an excuse to piss all over me.
>>>That's all you're after. You've taken over the role as the abuser.
>>
>>What, exactly, about my sentence above abuses you?
>
> Bob, you won. I'm throwing in the towel. Again, congratulations.
Won? What did I win? The way I see it: I can only win if you win. Either
we both win or we both lose, and you get to choose which.
Zed
> Zed wrote:
> > On Nov 21, 11:32 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >>Zed wrote:
>
> >>>On Nov 21, 10:44 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >>>>Autism is not a license to excuse inexcusable behaviour.
>
> >>>Not wasting time on that one either. You're out for blood, plain and
> >>>simple. You're using my behavior as an excuse to piss all over me.
> >>>That's all you're after. You've taken over the role as the abuser.
>
> >>What, exactly, about my sentence above abuses you?
>
> > Bob, you won. I'm throwing in the towel. Again, congratulations.
>
> Won? What did I win? The way I see it: I can only win if you win.
Okay, tell me what I'm supposed to win then. What will it take to get
you off my back?
Zed
On second thought, I have a better idea. PLONK.
Bob Badour
Accurate perception of reality.
Bob Badour
> On Nov 21, 11:48 pm, Zed <z...@cbgb.net> wrote:
>
>>On Nov 21, 11:41 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Zed wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Nov 21, 11:32 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>>Zed wrote:
>>
>>>>>>On Nov 21, 10:44 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>Autism is not a license to excuse inexcusable behaviour.
>>
>>>>>>Not wasting time on that one either. You're out for blood, plain and
>>>>>>simple. You're using my behavior as an excuse to piss all over me.
>>>>>>That's all you're after. You've taken over the role as the abuser.
>>
>>>>>What, exactly, about my sentence above abuses you?
>>
>>>>Bob, you won. I'm throwing in the towel. Again, congratulations.
>>
>>>Won? What did I win? The way I see it: I can only win if you win.
>>
>>Okay, tell me what I'm supposed to win then. What will it take to get
>>you off my back?-
>
> On second thought, I have a better idea. PLONK.
Oh well, your loss.
Zed
So, you feel you have an accurate enough perception of reality then,
to tell others what theirs should be?
Don't you think that's a tad presumptuous?
So far you've deluged my with profiling that's been highly inaccurate.
You're gonna have to do better if you expect me to succumb to letting
you mentor me..
Zed
Silly rabbit, Google don't got no kill filter.
But do tell, oh smug one.
Do you gotta degree or somthin?
Are you a professional counselor?
What am I missing out on here, Bob?
Zed
I am a 47 year old male. I grew up in Van Nuys, California.
I currently reside in Las vegas, NV.
I work in industrial loss prevention.
I am very mechanical, which runs in the family.
I'm into custom cars and motorcycles.
I guess the reason why I don't do that for a living is because I'd be
under a, get 'er done we still have an engine and two tranny rebuilds
to do, whip.
I am a virtual recluse.
I have only one real friend, who's a cousin, who's like a brother.
I spend time with him and his family on weekends.
I spent most of time in either an "Educationally Handicapped" short
bus classroom or in private schools crazy kids schools.
It's hard to say exactly where I am in the autism spectrum.
but at the same time I'm pretty much you're average HFA.
I tend to at times get drunk and go berserk on Usenet.
People tell me I'm like "House M.D." personality wise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g2kl3byVWk
Catriona R
That's fine, I've had meltdowns too. I do however then act like an
adult afterwards and look to see if I might perhaps have made a
mistake. Instead of continuing to attack and abuse people for days
afterwards. That is not autistic behaviour, the initial meltdown
certainly is, but unless your meltdowns last several days at a time,
you should be capable of looking at it rationally by now. If you're
really autistic and not merely trolling.
Catriona R
How charming. Grow up.
Bob Badour
> On Nov 21, 11:58 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>Zed wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 21, 11:41 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>Zed wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Nov 21, 11:32 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Zed wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>On Nov 21, 10:44 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>Autism is not a license to excuse inexcusable behaviour.
>>
>>>>>>>Not wasting time on that one either. You're out for blood, plain and
>>>>>>>simple. You're using my behavior as an excuse to piss all over me.
>>>>>>>That's all you're after. You've taken over the role as the abuser.
>>
>>>>>>What, exactly, about my sentence above abuses you?
>>
>>>>>Bob, you won. I'm throwing in the towel. Again, congratulations.
>>
>>>>Won? What did I win? The way I see it: I can only win if you win.
>>
>>>Okay, tell me what I'm supposed to win then. What will it take to get
>>>you off my back?
>>
>>Accurate perception of reality.
>
> So, you feel you have an accurate enough perception of reality then,
> to tell others what theirs should be?
I have an accurate enough perception of reality to know what my
intentions and motivations are. In fact, I have an accurate enough
perception of reality to know I am the sole authority on that subject.
I know the regulars here enough to know Gareeth always means well; even
if some mental blindness, on a very rare occasion, leads her to write
something profoundly insulting. I have an accurate enough perception of
reality to observe she spoke about her own experience and said nothing
about anyone else in the post that sparked your abuse, which basically
precluded the possibility of her saying anything truly insulting about
anyone but herself.
I know the regulars here enough to know most or all of them think you
are important enough to care about but nowhere near important enough to
despise. Why would anyone expend that kind of emotional energy on
someone they barely know and have never met?
I know the regulars here enough to know most or all of them will quickly
forgive any misstep if you simply apologize for your inappropriate
behaviour. That's true of the vast majority of people in general. Any
others here will have long ago filtered and forgotten you.
I have an accurate enough perception of reality to know people have a
right not to suffer abuse.
I have an accurate enough perception of reality to know people do not
act in an uncharacteristically abusive manner for no reason. Over the
years, I have discovered uncharacteristic abuse generally requires two
factors: 1) anxiety over some acute upset and 2) a lack of self-respect.
I have an accurate enough perception of reality to know we respect
ourselves by showing respect to others.
> Don't you think that's a tad presumptuous?
Nowhere near as presumptuous as telling another person what he or she
intended or thought.
> So far you've deluged my with profiling that's been highly inaccurate.
I speculated you were upset about something, and it turns out you are
upset about your job situation. Losing a job and facing criticism from
an employer over traits one is not particularly self-aware of would
upset anyone causing great anxiety. Especially where we are now in the
business cycle.
Here's the thing: Indulging your urges to lash out at others won't
improve your job situation. Quite the opposite in fact. Ask yourself
whether that indulgence might contribute to the image you have a chip on
your shoulder...
On the other hand, greater self-awareness and an improved perception of
reality will give you what you need to either turn your situation around
at work or to do what is necessary to find a better job.
> You're gonna have to do better if you expect me to succumb to letting
> you mentor me..
An interesting choice of words. Like I said previously, you get to
choose whether to win or lose. You won't die from choosing to win.
Zed
I'm not the one stringing it out over a period of days, you and Bob
Badour are. You're still wagging your finger at me. Putting me in my
place etc. instead of just letting it go. Just because I don't get all
milquetoast and put my tail between my legs, doesn’t mean that I'm
continuing to have a meltdown. As for the ultimate cop out of I'm just
trolling, like I said Google me. Unless that is you want to surmise
that I've been setting up a false background over the last couple of
years as part of a premeditated trolling to take place on 11-18-09.
Zed
I'll do my best to become as adult as you are, young lady.
Bob Badour
With all due respect, nobody needs to just let abuse go. People have a
right not to be abused. Your stated expectation is unreasonable and can
only lead to disappointment.
--
is there something in it for them, like maybe bailouts, if they can
panic us into doing something politically to cover them?
November 19, 2007 - John S Bolton
Zed
Well that's all well and good Bob, but you're supposed to bring out my
sense of reality not go on about your own.
So far the boiled down content of everything you're written to me so
far is that I'm an abusive bastard who deserves noting but utter
contempt.
> > Don't you think that's a tad presumptuous?
>
> Nowhere near as presumptuous as telling another person what he or she
> intended or thought.
And yet that's what you've been doing with me all along.
> > So far you've deluged my with profiling that's been highly inaccurate.
>
> I speculated you were upset about something, and it turns out you are
> upset about your job situation. Losing a job and facing criticism from
> an employer over traits one is not particularly self-aware of would
> upset anyone causing great anxiety. Especially where we are now in the
> business cycle.
That wouldn't require speculation, as I spelled all that out.
> Here's the thing: Indulging your urges to lash out at others won't
> improve your job situation. Quite the opposite in fact. Ask yourself
> whether that indulgence might contribute to the image you have a chip on
> your shoulder...
This as I have said, is now you continuing to crucify me for something
that is over with. How lone will you continue to browbeat me? And what
ids your true motive action for doing so?
> On the other hand, greater self-awareness and an improved perception of
> reality will give you what you need to either turn your situation around
> at work or to do what is necessary to find a better job.
Yes, but you implied that you were going to supply me with insights.
How is it that you gage that I have a lack of self awareness?
Or that you're more capable than I am at assessing my job situation an
what alterative are available to me?
> > You're gonna have to do better if you expect me to succumb to letting
> > you mentor me..
>
> An interesting choice of words. Like I said previously, you get to
> choose whether to win or lose. You won't die from choosing to win.
That's extremely vague, Bob. Define "win" to me. Win what exactly?
And once again, tell me what qualifies you to educate me?
Zed
> With all due respect,
Why that repetitious opener?
> nobody needs to just let abuse go. People have a
> right not to be abused. Your stated expectation is unreasonable and can
> only lead to disappointment.
Okay, so you're saying you have the right to continue roasting me over
the coals forever because I got testy with someone.
I think you were by far more emotionally impacted than Gareeth. That's
what it really all boils down to isn't it? I did offer give up an
apology and you told me you weren’t looking for one. so what exactly
is it you're looking for, Bob?
Why do you continually hound me as an abuser? You still haven't come
clean on any of this.
What are you to me, since you've decided to attach yourself to me?
A prosecutor?
A counselor?
What?
Just give me a concise succinct answer. You can do that, can't you?
Catriona R
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:25:27 -0800 (PST), Zed <klon...@mail.vu>
wrote:
Eh, no, if you were reading the thread you might notice I only made my
first comment after several days. Had you stopped attacking people
sooner, I would never have posted to begin with.
>You're still wagging your finger at me. Putting me in my
>place etc. instead of just letting it go. Just because I don't get all
>milquetoast and put my tail between my legs, doesn�t mean that I'm
>continuing to have a meltdown. As for the ultimate cop out of I'm just
>trolling, like I said Google me. Unless that is you want to surmise
>that I've been setting up a false background over the last couple of
>years as part of a premeditated trolling to take place on 11-18-09.
Well, given the number of troll on this group, it's an understandable
conclusion to take when a poster I have never heard of comes along and
starts attacking longtime regular posters for no good reason. My
apologies if I was mistaken, it was only a suggestion in any case. But
you are most certainly behaving like a troll, even if you are not
intending to be one.
Zed
> Eh, no, if you were reading the thread you might notice I only made my
> first comment after several days. Had you stopped attacking people
> sooner, I would never have posted to begin with.
Yes, yes, I'm an abusive attacker. So you've browbeaten me over and
over and over and over with, so it must be true.
> you are most certainly behaving like a troll, even if you are not
> intending to be one.
I'm not giving you any personal satisfaction in this matter, kiddo.
That's what's really irking you.
Bob Badour
I am not "supposed" to do anything. You asked about the accuracy of my
perception of reality, and I answered.
> So far the boiled down content of everything you're written to me so
> far is that I'm an abusive bastard who deserves noting but utter
> contempt.
Where did I say anything about what you deserve?
>>>Don't you think that's a tad presumptuous?
>>
>>Nowhere near as presumptuous as telling another person what he or she
>>intended or thought.
>
> And yet that's what you've been doing with me all along.
I disagree. Go check.
>>>So far you've deluged my with profiling that's been highly inaccurate.
>>
>>I speculated you were upset about something, and it turns out you are
>>upset about your job situation. Losing a job and facing criticism from
>>an employer over traits one is not particularly self-aware of would
>>upset anyone causing great anxiety. Especially where we are now in the
>>business cycle.
>
> That wouldn't require speculation, as I spelled all that out.
*After* I speculated (from what I recall anyway).
>>Here's the thing: Indulging your urges to lash out at others won't
>>improve your job situation. Quite the opposite in fact. Ask yourself
>>whether that indulgence might contribute to the image you have a chip on
>>your shoulder...
>
> This as I have said, is now you continuing to crucify me for something
> that is over with. How lone will you continue to browbeat me? And what
> ids your true motive action for doing so?
Crucify? Did I use nails or ropes? You have absurd fantasies. Hyperbole
does not persuade.
Your abuse is not over with until you accept reality, acknowledge what
you have done, and make amends. I assume the same is true at work too.
>>On the other hand, greater self-awareness and an improved perception of
>>reality will give you what you need to either turn your situation around
>>at work or to do what is necessary to find a better job.
>
> Yes, but you implied that you were going to supply me with insights.
I did no such thing. I told you I can only win if you win, and you get
to choose whether you win.
> How is it that you gage that I have a lack of self awareness?
From your behaviour, from what you write about your behaviour, and from
the fantasies you project onto others.
If you are aware that you have violated the people here, you have shown
no awareness of it. What little evidence you have posted on the subject
suggests the same is true at your job.
> Or that you're more capable than I am at assessing my job situation an
> what alterative are available to me?
Someone in a position of power over you at work noted you seem to have a
chip on your shoulder. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder here
too. In fact, you are quite abusive and regularly lash out at just about
everyone. If you abuse people at work like you abuse people here, you
won't have a job for long.
>>>You're gonna have to do better if you expect me to succumb to letting
>>>you mentor me..
>>
>>An interesting choice of words. Like I said previously, you get to
>>choose whether to win or lose. You won't die from choosing to win.
>
> That's extremely vague, Bob. Define "win" to me. Win what exactly?
Peace of mind. Job security. Support. Self-respect.
> And once again, tell me what qualifies you to educate me?
Nothing. Reality will educate you in the end one way or another. I just
point out the clues that are already there hoping you might take a route
that has a gentler landing at the end of it.
Bob Badour
> On Nov 22, 2:39 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>With all due respect,
>
> Why that repetitious opener?
Unlike some people, I have neither the intention nor the desire to
express disrespect even when I point out someone's obvious mistake.
>>nobody needs to just let abuse go. People have a
>>right not to be abused. Your stated expectation is unreasonable and can
>>only lead to disappointment.
>
> Okay, so you're saying you have the right to continue roasting me over
> the coals forever because I got testy with someone.
The roasting is a fantasy -- entirely inside your own mind. The sooner
you realize that, the sooner you will stop beating yourself up for no
reason.
> I think you were by far more emotionally impacted than Gareeth.
> That's what it really all boils down to isn't it?
As I have observed before, your perception of reality is out of whack.
If I were emotionally involved, I would make my emotion clear in no
uncertain terms as I have always done.
> I did offer give up an apology and you told me you weren’t looking for one.
Making a rhetorical demand whether you should apologize for something
absurd while pretending nobody else has any rights is not an offered
apology. It's just an infantile way of lashing out even more.
> so what exactly
> is it you're looking for, Bob?
Nothing. Either you will behave like an adult and deal with reality, or
you will continue to act like a 2 year old in a vain attempt to hide
from it. The choice is entirely up to you. In neither case will reality
just go away.
> Why do you continually hound me as an abuser? You still haven't come
> clean on any of this.
Absurd accusations don't change anything. I haven't abused you; I have
only observed reality. Go back and check.
> What are you to me, since you've decided to attach yourself to me?
> A prosecutor?
> A counselor?
> What?
>
> Just give me a concise succinct answer. You can do that, can't you?
I am a regular denizen of this newsgroup.
Zed
> Zed wrote:
> > On Nov 22, 2:39 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >>With all due respect,
>
> > Why that repetitious opener?
>
> Unlike some people, I have neither the intention nor the desire to
> express disrespect even when I point out someone's obvious mistake.
What a back handed answer LOL.
> >>nobody needs to just let abuse go. People have a
> >>right not to be abused. Your stated expectation is unreasonable and can
> >>only lead to disappointment.
>
> > Okay, so you're saying you have the right to continue roasting me over
> > the coals forever because I got testy with someone.
>
> The roasting is a fantasy -- entirely inside your own mind. The sooner
> you realize that, the sooner you will stop beating yourself up for no
> reason.
Bob, you're so off the mark.
> > I think you were by far more emotionally impacted than Gareeth.
> > That's what it really all boils down to isn't it?
>
> As I have observed before, your perception of reality is out of whack.
> If I were emotionally involved, I would make my emotion clear in no
> uncertain terms as I have always done.
And you have made your emotion clear in no uncertain terms.
It's very evasive of you to use a blanket statement of my perception
of reality being out of whack. This way you'll never have to own up to
anything I say.
> > I did offer give up an apology and you told me you weren’t looking for one.
>
> Making a rhetorical demand whether you should apologize for something
> absurd while pretending nobody else has any rights is not an offered
> apology. It's just an infantile way of lashing out even more.
I think you're using me as an emotional punching bag.
> > so what exactly
> > is it you're looking for, Bob?
>
> Nothing.
Nonsense.
> Either you will behave like an adult and deal with reality, or
> you will continue to act like a 2 year old in a vain attempt to hide
> from it. The choice is entirely up to you. In neither case will reality
> just go away.
Now that is an incredibly insulting abusive derogatory judgmental
statement. Feels good making those, doesn’t it Bob?
> > Why do you continually hound me as an abuser? You still haven't come
> > clean on any of this.
>
> Absurd accusations don't change anything. I haven't abused you; I have
> only observed reality. Go back and check.
You have exclusively preached your extremely subjective view of
reality.
You have offered nothing but criticism and insults.
Now I know you'll say that the pot calling the kettle black, but I
haven't attempted to paint myself out as being above such things.
Which brings me right back to my original analysis, that you are a
sanctimonious hypocrite.
All you are really doing is finger wagging and browbeating. I'm sure
it's pretty rare for you to be on the giving end, rather than the
receiving end as most auties are.
> > What are you to me, since you've decided to attach yourself to me?
> > A prosecutor?
> > A counselor?
> > What?
>
> > Just give me a concise succinct answer. You can do that, can't you?
>
> I am a regular denizen of this newsgroup.
Ah, so everything you have ladled on me is purely a layman’s
subjective analysis.
All carefully crafted sentence structure, with no actual substance.
I've had a PhD in Behavioral Science for over 25 years. I have
professionally profiled over 10,000 people. And my expertise sees
right through you. Next time don't try to sound like a professional
counselor or psychologist when you're not one. It's perfectly fine to
offer opinions and critiques and advice. But your highbrowed manner is
too big for your britches. Especially when addressing someone of my
credentials. In the future (hypothetically speaking) a simple “chill
out, dude” will suffice and save reams of bandwidth.
earthpots
> 1968/69 so far. hard to read their writing.
>
> K1: Dramatic, immature. needs to learn to listen.
> K2: Still very immature. Needs self confidence. Absent a great deal.
> B1: Academic level is extremely low. Needs to work on eliminating
> aggressive behavior.
> A1: Below average academically. Has improved somewhat in controlling
> temper. Must not be pushed. Needs constant reinforcement.
> 2/25: Still applies as above. Responds to quiet talk and sympathy when
> he explodes....
I have all of my school stuuf in a box somewhere. Gotta luv those comments.
I have stuff such as "bored with school", "lives in own fantasy world",
"does not pay attention in class", and "has difficulty with following
instructions". I went to a Parochial/Catholic school grades 1-6.
When I was in 4th grade, the school district had state mandated physical and
mental assesment forms that the parent was to return, after a physical. The
public schools were responsible in getting the forms to the
private/parochial schools. The forms then went to the students records file.
I got a copy of mine when I elected to get my school records, adfter
graduation from public school.
On the form, my doctor who did the exam, wrote in the section where they
asked for suggestions and comments, that I appeared to have an emotional
disorder that needed fither evaluation. If I had been in public school, I
probably would have been referred to a school psychologist. But the
Parochial School did nothing. My parents never knew about this, and my mom
could have taken me to a private psychologist; she already was taking my
older sister and brother.
I'm sure I was exhibiting all of the signs of Aspergers back then, but
nobody knew. Why was I in the independant by the end of 1st grade, having
completed all of the 3rd grade readers? I was reading young adult books,
while most of my classmates still read "Dick & Jane" in grade 2. When my
classmates began reading young adult stuff in 4th grade, I was at high
school level. When entering public school in grade 7, the reading assesment
tests placed me at a second year college level. I spent my high school years
in Advanced English Literature classes.
All of those comments in my school records, probably apply to some extent
even today.
So, what was your reason for your post? Do you think the comments still
apply?
--
Carol
Contessa of Consternation
Known to leave foes discombobulated
Autistic Spectrum Code v.1.0
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earthpots
> Zed wrote:
>
>>
>>> But it was Gareeth's kindergarten report that she spoke about.
>>
>> Yes, yes, this thread is all about her. I get it.
>
> No, clearly you don't get it. Parts of this thread are about you.
> Parts of this thread are about other people. In part of this thread,
> someone showed an interest in you and shared a bit of her similar
> past.
>
>>> Sanctimonious? You seem to have some serious perceptual problems.
>>> Has some major upset clouded your judgment?
>>
>> Just the usual of people telling me off. Got fired from job one, boss
>> of job two has told me in the four days I've been there "we need to
>> pay attention" and "you seem to have a chip on your shoulder"
>> Maybe the rest of you are too doped up or something to be having
>> theses problems,.
>
> Ah yes, all that would be very upsetting and scary. Lashing out at
> Gareeth won't make your job situation any more secure, though.
>
>
>> Or able to relate to someone who does. I kinda thought this would be
>> a crowd where I could let it all hang out.
>
> Letting it all hang out is one thing. Verbal or emotional abuse is
> quite another. Lashing out like you have been doing is abusive. If
> you expect the rest of us to pretend it isn't, you will set yourself
> up for disappointment.
>
>
>>>> Tell you what, why don't you all tell me what I'm supposed to post
>>>> so I can do better to fit in.
>>>
>>> With all due respect,
>>
>> god, if you write that one more time I'm going to puke.
>
> In that case, I suggest you keep a bucket handy.
>
>
>>> we are not here for that. Your initial
>>> overreaction
>>
>> Over reaction! OMG! Read the report again.
>
> Report? A report about infantile behavior from 40 years ago has
> absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your reaction to Gareeth
> today.
Actually, maybe it does, since those same bahavior problems may be
resurfacing, and are the underlying reason for the way Zed is behaving in
this thread. We could get into the psychology of "arrested development", and
go all Freudian, but I'm not sure that's what Zeds' intentions were, for the
direction of this thread.
I'm not at all sure of his intent, as he didn't state it, but perhaps he saw
the comments in his record, and noted that not much has changed in 40 years;
and implicitly asks if his is an isolated situation, or are there other
posters in the NG with a possibly similar experience? Or just somebody who
empathizes with him at some level? Or perhaps nothing at all, he just wanted
to share what he found. It would be helpful if he could clarify what
response (if any) he was looking for, as "reading between the lines" is not
something auties/aspies are known to be exceptionally good at.
I can decipher that this thread will most likely spiral downwords, as
miscommunication problems common to the internet + autism communication
difficulties, will have people not responding in the manner others expect of
them. I can already see that Zed has gone on the defensive, and that may be
something he has been doing since kindergarten, and may have developed as
coping mechanism.
Observations are from my amateur physchoanalytical couch, as I have no
education/credentials whatsoever. Therefore they are subject to innacuracy,
Zed may confirm or dismiss. But I do hope he will clarify.
earthpots
> On Nov 19, 6:50 pm, "Gareeth" <Gareethn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Zed wrote:
>>
>>> For the same reason why you and I are in this support group. If none
>>> if it mattered to you and Stephen Wilson, neither of you would be
>>> here, now would you? I think you both sound like sanctimonious
>>> hypocrites. Me, I still need to get a handle on things. I hope to
>>> someday reach yours and Stephen's exalted states. Sorry to have
>>> bothered you.
>>
>> Sanctimonious hypocrites for asking what had you going back that
>> far? That's a bit of an over-reaction.
>>
>> Gareeth
>
> I ordered my school records. I found them interesting. Autism begins
> with childhood, right?
I think if you had said that in your original post, that might have helped
others to understand what your intentions were in posting the school
records. When you leave out relevant information, we are left to guess your
intentions.
> Well I guess not. You sound more like one of my non understanding
> teaches, then someone who could relate.
> Thanks for the support.
earthpots
> On Nov 19, 4:05 am, "Eva" <EvaDStructio...@NOverizon.net> wrote:
>> "Zed" <z...@cbgb.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:66feef04-cb6a-4923...@m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...>
>> 1968/69 so far. hard to read their writing.
>>
>>> K1: Dramatic, immature. needs to learn to listen.
>>> K2: Still very immature. Needs self confidence. Absent a great deal.
>>> B1: Academic level is extremely low. Needs to work on eliminating
>>> aggressive behavior.
>>> A1: Below average academically. Has improved somewhat in controlling
>>> temper. Must not be pushed. Needs constant reinforcement.
>>> 2/25: Still applies as above. Responds to quiet talk and sympathy
>>> when he explodes....
>>
>> I'm convinced that the autism rate isn't really higher today, just
>> that it ("HFA") wasn't recognized prior to 1980. I guess you have a
>> feeling of
>> irony when you look back like that. "If only...."
>>
>> Eva
>
> It's more than just autism for me. Severe learning disabilities as
> well. I mean like borderline retarded is some areas. But I seem really
> smart because if how I speak/write. But put me to a test like with my
> new assignment, and I can't manage it. Everyone else gets it, except
> me. It'll take me much longer to learn it. Once again fate has bought
> me some time, maybe...
I have Dyscalculia, I have never been able to comprehend mathamatical stuff.
I rely on calculators, and have several located throughout my apartment. My
brain just jumbles numbers and symbols, equations make zero sense to me. So,
what are these learning disabilities of which you speak?
earthpots
> On Nov 19, 6:56 pm, "Gareeth" <Gareethn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Eva wrote:
>>>> It was sometimes recognizzed. Mine was.
>>> ---------------
>>> You were in Europe? Canada? As for me, here in New York City, I
>>> never even heard the word autism until, I think, the 1970s, and even
>>> then only referring to really severely involved people who could not
>>> interact with others in any way.
>>
>> Not sure which side of the pond my initial diagnosis took place. The
>> school here in Canada had some handle on what sorts of things to
>> suggest by tried with me though. They did a lot of things wrong
>> though but they must have had some clue. A lot of what they had me
>> doing is identical to the sorts of things that I found out they had
>> Temple Grandin doing. Common sense stuff for the most part.
>>
>> I don't know about fortunate. It didn't change anything really at
>> all for me. At the time they basically considered you to have
>> outgrown it when you became verbal and they strongly discouraged any
>> ongoing notion that you were autistic. This would evidentally make
>> you lower functioning. I grew up feeling I had to be something other
>> than what I was all the time. Always trying to get "better" hating
>> who I was. I was in my thirties before I came to some acceptance.
>>
>> Gareeth
>
> Oh and look, now this thread is all about wonderful you.
It's called thread migration or "thread drift", happens all of the time in
open forums like this. The conversation drifts off from the original post,
and into a different subject. I would suggest you try to not take it
personal, if you can.
Gareeth
>
> I think if you had said that in your original post, that might have
> helped others to understand what your intentions were in posting the
> school records. When you leave out relevant information, we are left
> to guess your intentions.
>
as I seldom guess right.
>
Gareeth
Catriona R
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:27:47 -0800 (PST), Zed <z...@cbgb.net> wrote:
>On Nov 22, 3:21�pm, Catriona R <catrionarNOS...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>> Eh, no, if you were reading the thread you might notice I only made my
>> first comment after several days. Had you stopped attacking people
>> sooner, I would never have posted to begin with.
>
>
>Yes, yes, I'm an abusive attacker. So you've browbeaten me over and
>over and over and over with, so it must be true.
I'm not saying *you* are, I'm saying your actions are.
>> you are most certainly behaving like a troll, even if you are not
>> intending to be one.
>
>I'm not giving you any personal satisfaction in this matter, kiddo.
>That's what's really irking you.
What kind of personal satisfaction do you think I'm going to get out
of this exactly?
Bob Badour
> On Nov 22, 5:53 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>Zed wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 22, 2:39 pm, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>With all due respect,
>>
>>>Why that repetitious opener?
>>
>>Unlike some people, I have neither the intention nor the desire to
>>express disrespect even when I point out someone's obvious mistake.
>
> What a back handed answer LOL.
It only seems that way because you have no respect. If you respected
yourself, you would see that others respect you too. As long as you
don't, you will refuse to believe it.
>>>I think you were by far more emotionally impacted than Gareeth.
>>>That's what it really all boils down to isn't it?
>>
>>As I have observed before, your perception of reality is out of whack.
>>If I were emotionally involved, I would make my emotion clear in no
>>uncertain terms as I have always done.
>
> And you have made your emotion clear in no uncertain terms.
Using exactly which words?
>>>I did offer give up an apology and you told me you weren’t looking for one.
>>
>>Making a rhetorical demand whether you should apologize for something
>>absurd while pretending nobody else has any rights is not an offered
>>apology. It's just an infantile way of lashing out even more.
>
> I think you're using me as an emotional punching bag.
I don't think I have seen a clearer example of projection. You have used
this entire list as an emotional punching bag. You feel anxiety over
your job situation, and you lash out at everybody.
How long do you expect your employer to put up with you lashing out at
your colleagues?
>>Either you will behave like an adult and deal with reality, or
>>you will continue to act like a 2 year old in a vain attempt to hide
>>from it. The choice is entirely up to you. In neither case will reality
>>just go away.
>
> Now that is an incredibly insulting abusive derogatory judgmental
> statement. Feels good making those, doesn’t it Bob?
I don't have any particular feeling about the paragraph. Regardless what
you feel about it, it is an accurate description of reality. 2 year olds
tantrum and lash out. Adults take responsibility for their actions.
>>>Why do you continually hound me as an abuser? You still haven't come
>>>clean on any of this.
>>
>>Absurd accusations don't change anything. I haven't abused you; I have
>>only observed reality. Go back and check.
>
> You have exclusively preached your extremely subjective view of
> reality.
Have I? Can you cite a specific example where my subjectivity clouded my
view?
>>>What are you to me, since you've decided to attach yourself to me?
>>>A prosecutor?
>>>A counselor?
>>>What?
>>
>>>Just give me a concise succinct answer. You can do that, can't you?
>>
>>I am a regular denizen of this newsgroup.
>
> Ah, so everything you have ladled on me is purely a layman’s
> subjective analysis.
> All carefully crafted sentence structure, with no actual substance.
> I've had a PhD in Behavioral Science for over 25 years. I have
> professionally profiled over 10,000 people.
Either you have lost that skill, or you were not very good at it.
> And my expertise sees
> right through you. Next time don't try to sound like a professional
> counselor or psychologist when you're not one. It's perfectly fine to
> offer opinions and critiques and advice. But your highbrowed manner is
> too big for your britches. Especially when addressing someone of my
> credentials. In the future (hypothetically speaking) a simple “chill
> out, dude” will suffice and save reams of bandwidth.
If you expect that you can dictate the responses to your abuse here, you
will set yourself up for disappointment.
--
Zed
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:27:47 -0800 (PST), Zed <z...@cbgb.net> wrote:
> >On Nov 22, 3:21 pm, Catriona R <catrionarNOS...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Eh, no, if you were reading the thread you might notice I only made my
> >> first comment after several days. Had you stopped attacking people
> >> sooner, I would never have posted to begin with.
>
> >Yes, yes, I'm an abusive attacker. So you've browbeaten me over and
> >over and over and over with, so it must be true.
>
> I'm not saying *you* are, I'm saying your actions are.
And I'm saying give it rest already. Not because it bothersome, but
because it makes you look bad.
Bob will do just fine as a solo act.
Catriona R
It's very tempting to say the person looking bad here is not me. But
hey, carry on as you like,, I was only trying to clear up the
misunderstanding which began all this. If you're not interested in
seeing what went wrong and learning from it, your loss. I will indeed
stop contributing from here on.
Zed
> Zed wrote:
> It only seems that way because you have no respect. If you respected
> yourself, you would see that others respect you too. As long as you
> don't, you will refuse to believe it.
Baseless pseudo-analysis from an armchair annalist
> I don't think I have seen a clearer example of projection. You have used
> this entire list as an emotional punching bag. You feel anxiety over
> your job situation, and you lash out at everybody.
BZZZT. Wrongo again, Bob. A, I don't need a job. B, there are at least
5 companies I can think of off the top of my head who would hire me in
a heartbeat. You don't even have a clear idea of what I do for a
living, or exactly what my work situation is. You are making baseless
ASSumptions.
> How long do you expect your employer to put up with you lashing out at
> your colleagues?
I have no colleagues you moron.
> >>Either you will behave like an adult and deal with reality, or
> >>you will continue to act like a 2 year old in a vain attempt to hide
> >>from it. The choice is entirely up to you. In neither case will reality
> >>just go away.
>
> > Now that is an incredibly insulting abusive derogatory judgmental
> > statement. Feels good making those, doesn’t it Bob?
>
> I don't have any particular feeling about the paragraph.
Yeah, back off from that one, Bobby, too hot too handle.
I find it very telling by the way, that you so ardently use what you
see as a perceived sore spot for me as a weapon against me. What other
intimacies are you going to hold over my head? This is about you
wanting to control someone, Bobby. Nothing more.
All the classic traits of a manipulator.
If I wanted to get maudlin, I’d say witch hunter.
> >>Absurd accusations don't change anything. I haven't abused you; I have
> >>only observed reality. Go back and check.
>
> > You have exclusively preached your extremely subjective view of
> > reality.
>
> Have I? Can you cite a specific example where my subjectivity clouded my
> view?
Just about everything you've written to me in 10,000 words or more.
> >>>What are you to me, since you've decided to attach yourself to me?
> >>>A prosecutor?
> >>>A counselor?
> >>>What?
>
> >>>Just give me a concise succinct answer. You can do that, can't you?
>
> >>I am a regular denizen of this newsgroup.
>
> > Ah, so everything you have ladled on me is purely a layman’s
> > subjective analysis.
> > All carefully crafted sentence structure, with no actual substance.
> > I've had a PhD in Behavioral Science for over 25 years. I have
> > professionally profiled over 10,000 people.
>
> Either you have lost that skill, or you were not very good at it.
Ah another purely mean spirited attack. Your facade is wearing thinner
and thinner.
> If you expect that you can dictate the responses to your abuse here, you
> will set yourself up for disappointment.
You're not responding to my abuses, Bob. That's just your excuse for
stalking me. You're actually one sick dude.
Brain Kelly, PhD.
Zed
> It's very tempting to say the person looking bad here is not me. But
> hey, carry on as you like,, I was only trying to clear up the
> misunderstanding which began all this. If you're not interested in
> seeing what went wrong and learning from it, your loss. I will indeed
> stop contributing from here on.
Yes, lets call it water under th bridge and get on with our <ahem>
happy little lives.
Zed
> Actually, maybe it does, since those same bahavior problems may be
> resurfacing, and are the underlying reason for the way Zed is behaving in
> this thread. We could get into the psychology of "arrested development", and
> go all Freudian, but I'm not sure that's what Zeds' intentions were, for the
> direction of this thread.
Actually it was just something I tossed up on the board.
It could evolve into a bio I suppose.
> I'm not at all sure of his intent, as he didn't state it, but perhaps he saw
> the comments in his record, and noted that not much has changed in 40 years;
> and implicitly asks if his is an isolated situation, or are there other
> posters in the NG with a possibly similar experience?
Actually yes. In other words what are the non classic traits of
autism? Is this how autism could be described if the realization of
autism hadn't been made?
> Or just somebody who
> empathizes with him at some level? Or perhaps nothing at all, he just wanted
> to share what he found.
Yep, that was mostly it.
> It would be helpful if he could clarify what
> response (if any) he was looking for, as "reading between the lines" is not
> something auties/aspies are known to be exceptionally good at.
No response if any. Like a flashing light can trigger an epileptic
fit, the right thing said at the wrong time can trigger one of my
sudden rage attacks. Hey, at least I didn't throw another cat out my
10th floor window.
> I can decipher that this thread will most likely spiral downwords, as
> miscommunication problems common to the internet + autism communication
> difficulties, will have people not responding in the manner others expect of
> them. I can already see that Zed has gone on the defensive, and that may be
> something he has been doing since kindergarten, and may have developed as
> coping mechanism.
Frankly I just can't abide people on high horses. You on the other
hand, I find to be very abideable.
> Observations are from my amateur physchoanalytical couch, as I have no
> education/credentials whatsoever. Therefore they are subject to innacuracy,
> Zed may confirm or dismiss. But I do hope he will clarify.
A+
Zed
> I think if you had said that in your original post, that might have helped
> others to understand what your intentions were in posting the school
> records. When you leave out relevant information, we are left to guess your
> intentions.
I think if my neurons hadn’t misfired, we wouldn't be having this
conversation.
Zed
> I have Dyscalculia,
Me too.
> I have never been able to comprehend mathamatical stuff.
> I rely on calculators, and have several located throughout my apartment. My
> brain just jumbles numbers and symbols, equations make zero sense to me. So,
> what are these learning disabilities of which you speak?
Well, that's one of 'em. I have a feeling that anything else I expose
about myself, Bob Badour will use as ammunition.
Catriona R
Agred, call it quits - apologies if I've not come across right with my
intentions in any way; I'm autistic too and don't always express
myself as clearly as I might :-)